Calling out to DreadedHermie for a game of "stoner chess"

[DreadedHermie]

N - QN5


You might have noticed that I'm not developing my pieces yet.
Aren't you curious about that?


Well, sure, but...

a) your queen and both bishops do have pretty good striking power, with the center relatively open as it is.

b) So far, play seems fairly close to the Rubinstein Variation of the Classical Defense to the Queen's Gambit Accepted. In the past, when you've thrown what appeared to be a deliberate red herring, it's been to the passive side of play, so all is consistent.

c) At some point you are gonna get bored enough with my inexperience to let me get enough ahead where you can really fight.


So, what's "d?"

[Weezard]

B - Q2 <Beeg grin>

Thought I'd trade queens and get forked, didja.:D

Thanks for all da credit, but I'm not that devious.:)

And, as for "c." ?
As long as I have pipe stuffins and your skills keep buildin' dis fast, I'm havin' lotsa fun.:jointsmile:
When da day comes that I need to quit smoking to prevail, I'll bankroll ya in a tournament, and re-retire. <note, no smilie.>

Alo ha

Da 'zard

[DreadedHermie]

O-O


You might have noticed that I'm not developing my pieces yet.
Aren't you curious about that?

If you answered that in the last post, I missed it...:o


Thought I'd trade queens and get forked, didja.
Nope. You seem generally less inclined to trade than I have been. When we started, I'd trade at every opportunity. Especially pawns. Get the weak stuff outta the way and go to war with the big stuff. Real Man's Chess.

But having played a few games and come to situations where "Boy, I wish I had that bishop back," I'm less likely to just try to clear the board. The balances are where the game is. (You've displayed a reaction when I've upset them without apparent reason, too. :eek:) That a pawn can frustrate a queen is part of the charm of the game, and trading pieces just to depopulate the battlefield is kinda like arbitrarily removing colors from an artist's palette. It "simplifies" things, in a way, but restricts the ability to create different scenes.

*yawn*

Whoops. Bored myself. Sorry. :D

[Weezard]

P - QR3

Did I mention being lazy?:D

No need to 'splain when, with a little prodding, you will do it much mo' betta'.:thumbsup:

Wow!

Weeze

[DreadedHermie]

This is strange...

Your post above showed up just now.

But it's from, like, 15 hours ago.

Hmmm.

[DreadedHermie]

Rather than waste half a tempo and banish my knight to BFE, I will offer a trade that I'm not eager to consummate. (see above, :o)

Seems like the correct decision, strategically. I've got some moves invested in that knight, but I was harrassing with him more than developing him...so...


N - Q6, Check...

[Weezard]

Rather than waste half a tempo and banish my knight to BFE, I will offer a trade that I'm not eager to consummate. (see above, :o)

Seems like the correct decision, strategically. I've got some moves invested in that knight, but I was harrassing with him more than developing him...so...


N - Q6, Check...

Oh yeah! Good move!
Which forces,
B X Kn
Which begs,
Q X B
Which will be answered with,
Q - K2 of course.

Is good?

Weeze

[DreadedHermie]

Good!

We're here, right?

[attachment=o231698]

[Weezard]

Good!

We're here, right?

[attachment=o231698]

Sadly, yes.
And what's more, it's your move.:D

W.

[DreadedHermie]

R - Q1

[Weezard]

P - K5

[DreadedHermie]

P - QN3

[Weezard]

When ya gotta, ya gotta.

Q X Q

R X Q ?


Then Kn - QB3

Deet de de.:D

Weeze

[DreadedHermie]

B - QR3

[DreadedHermie]

Thank Heaven.

Finally, some input from an illegal drug dealer.

You have posted your solicitation in a chess game between an old fart and and his weirdo friend. Perhaps they teach a marketing course at your local community college. :thumbsup:

I'm gonna pass on the poison, but please hit me up if you wanna unload any fiber bars or hemorrhoidal ointment. Lost my old connect and would like to be a "regular" customer again. Please hurry, the pressure is building.

Thanks for "being there,"

Hermie

[Weezard]

Cheese!
Now it's criminal spam!:(
Ignore it and hope it goes away?

Kn - QR4

W.

[DreadedHermie]

P - KB3

[Weezard]

P x P

[RedLocks]

I'm gonna pass on the poison, but please hit me up if you wanna unload any fiber bars or hemorrhoidal ointment. Lost my old connect and would like to be a "regular" customer again. Please hurry, the pressure is building.

bwaaaaa

[DreadedHermie]

P x P

[Weezard]

R - QB1

[DreadedHermie]

B - QN4

[Weezard]

Kn X B

P X Kn?

R X P

Is good?

Old Fart:D

[DreadedHermie]

Are you calling me the old fart, or assuming the title? (I never specified who's who.) We're probably both dual-certified, at any rate...:D

Anyway, this'll teach me to be lazy and not generate a diagram so I can rehearse better.

Looks like the only way out's R - Q4. Close one, the pawn's on me. ;)

[Weezard]

Are you calling me the old fart, or assuming the title? (I never specified who's who.) We're probably both dual-certified, at any rate...:D

Anyway, this'll teach me to be lazy and not generate a diagram so I can rehearse better.

Looks like the only way out's R - Q4. Close one, the pawn's on me. ;)



Tanks, it was quite tasty.

R X R

P X R

And?:)

W.
(da older fart)

[DreadedHermie]

R - K1

Check.

Prevents you from castling, correct?

[Weezard]

R - K1

Check.

Prevents you from castling, correct?

Your bishop was already keeping me from castling.
Your rook is lookin' for trouble.
K - Q1.
Now I can no longer castle, your bishop can relax, and probably be mean to me.;)

W.

[DreadedHermie]

Gad, (sounds like Morgan) my pawns are a mess. To think I was trying to avoid isolated pawns. If your knight plays checkers he can "triple jump" them.


But, I dally. :D

B - QR5

[Weezard]

K - QB1 of course.

[DreadedHermie]

P- Q5

[Weezard]

R - K1

[DreadedHermie]

There are safer moves, but I like, no, wait a sec....

let me ponder this awhile.

a rook = a pawn and a knight, approximately?

Looks like pawns are appreciating in value.

[DreadedHermie]

I'm turnin' in.

I gotta quit stayin' up so late.

I'll do a diagram and play a few things out tomorrow.

My pawn chain is so gap-toothed, it could eat watermelon through a picket fence. :D

G'night (weirdo) :hippy:

[Weezard]

I'm turnin' in.

I gotta quit stayin' up so late.

I'll do a diagram and play a few things out tomorrow.

My pawn chain is so gap-toothed, it could eat watermelon through a picket fence. :D

G'night (weirdo) :hippy:

Quite right.
G'night

[DreadedHermie]

We are here?
[attachment=o231928]

[Weezard]

That looks right.

[DreadedHermie]

Ima go with my first instinct and go N-K4.

[Weezard]

Ima go with my first instinct and go N-K4.

Dang!
Them's good instincts!
Kn X Kn.
Not what I wanted to do.
But the forking alternative was, um, unpalatable.:D

W.

[DreadedHermie]

P x N

[Weezard]

P - KB3

Ever hopeful.

W.

[chasthanhburns]

pardon the intrusion but i can't put a signature on my profile could some one help.

[MerryPrankstr]

Hi Weeze and DH!
Harvested BBxH and KK this weekend, just g13 and LB running.
chasthanhburns,
Once you have 50 posts you will be able to add a signature.

M.P.

[chasthanhburns]

thank you it washard to find in my edit profile and thats cuz it aint there

[DreadedHermie]

What's Up MP!

R - K3

[Weezard]

R - K4 :D

[DreadedHermie]

B-QN4

[Weezard]

R - KKn4 check.

[DreadedHermie]

K - KB2

[Weezard]

B X P

Just getiin' out of my own way.
Good to see ya.

[DreadedHermie]

B - K7

[Weezard]

B - K7

How about;
K - Q2

P - Q6

P - Q Kn4 ?

Eh?

[DreadedHermie]

That's not makin' sense, no matter who's makin' those moves. Diagram time...:stoned:

Good ta see you, too.

[DreadedHermie]

With black to move?

[attachment=o232032]

[DreadedHermie]

How about;
K - Q2

P - Q6

P - Q Kn4 ?

Eh?

If you do K -Q2 I gotta move de bishop...

[Weezard]

If you do K -Q2 I gotta move de bishop...


Not if you protect it with the pawn.
[attachment=o232033]

If you'd rather move da bishop,
where?


W.

[DreadedHermie]

Shit, man. That was why I moved the bishop down there in the first place. So I could protect him with the pawn. Fergot all about it...then couldn't see the move...:stoned::(

Better sleep. L8er...

[Weezard]

Shit, man. That was why I moved the bishop down there in the first place. So I could protect him with the pawn. Fergot all about it...then couldn't see the move...:stoned::(

Better sleep. L8er...

Yup dat looked like da right move to me.
After a double Vodka tonic and a head full of G13.:stoned:

Catch up on the morrow, den.

[DreadedHermie]

P - KR4

[Weezard]

R - KR4

[DreadedHermie]

K - KB3

[Weezard]

P - KKn5

[DreadedHermie]

QN5, maybe??

[Weezard]

QN5, maybe??

Oh yeah, I'm playing black.
Sorry, QKn5 it is.
That pawn is now a threat.
Well, as dey says, bettern nuttin'.

W.

[DreadedHermie]

K - KB4

[Weezard]

Yay!
Hang on, I'm thinkin.

[Weezard]

P - QKn6

[DreadedHermie]

P - K5

[Weezard]

P X P

And tempo rears it's head.

Weeze

[DreadedHermie]

R x P

I'm starting to see some of our idle hypotheses from months back being recycled. Sold, in fact. Somebody oughtta break down and buy some emitters. Or even filters, like they did in the 50's. Talking about the effects of a discrete wavelength while testing it only as a component of a broader spectrum is just lazy. Certainly inconclusive. I'd call bullshit, but I have learned to behave with some discretion by your example. ;)

[Weezard]

R X R

K X R

P - QKn7!

Yah?

-Restraint reflects well on you.
One can not cure certain conditions merely by pointing them out.
And, if it don't he'p...

Aloha,
Weeze -(Not all dat sweet, jus' to lazy to be mean.:D)

[DreadedHermie]

And I'm not mean. Just too lazy to be sweet. :p

B - KB8

Back innawile. Errands...

(Postponing the inevitable, looks like :()

[Weezard]

And I'm not mean. Just too lazy to be sweet. :p

B - KB8

Back innawile. Errands...

(Postponing the inevitable, looks like :()

'strue White is about to get skunked by a pawn.
Meanwhile. I'll jus' keep my knight's pawn safe by moving him to KKn3.

And I'm thinking of promoting to a rook, or bishop instead of a queen.
Anybody can mate with a queen and a bishop.
To mate with 2 bishops and a king, takes skill.
(Oops, no can! no want 2 white bishops.
It'll be a rook den.)

I do enjoy the endgame more when it's balanced.
Queen slaughter is just too easy at this point.


The openings are a lot harder.
There are 169,518,829,100,544,000,000,000,000,000 ways to play the first 10 moves.
Machines are better at it than people.
But, pare it down to a few pieces and the pooter's advantage is gone.
Merehumans can kick ass in the endgame.:rastasmoke:

Aloha, Weeze

[DreadedHermie]

Well, if this is the part of the game you're interested in, we'll continue. I think normally white wouyld retire here, as my pawns are trapped, you're on red squares my bishop can't touch, and apparently my king can't put another king in check.

So, white must promote, too. Only one way to try dat.

K - KB6

[Weezard]

Well, if this is the part of the game you're interested in, we'll continue. I think normally white wouyld retire here, as my pawns are trapped, you're on red squares my bishop can't touch, and apparently my king can't put another king in check.

So, white must promote, too. Only one way to try dat.

K - KB6

B - QB7
To cover what will be the base of the pawn chain ovah dere.
Lookin' bleaker for white.
Trading rooks was a mistake, yah?.

BTW.
I put dat bug in Appalonia's ear.
Just wanna see where he/she goes with it.
Real quick study, that one.
This should be fun.:jointsmile:

Aloha,
Da weeze

[DreadedHermie]

This should be fun.You mischief-maker, you. :thumbsup:

K-KN7


To cover what will be the base of the pawn chain ovah dere.
Pawn chain, eh? Looks like another daylight-burning exercise to me. :(

White had problems before the rook exchange. I think my main problem came from incomplete evaluation of where the previous exchanges would leave me position-wise. I played it sorta hypermodern/Indian "inspired" if I'm correctly understanding wikipedia's breakdown of the schools of thought. Interesting how close the infighting was, once the balances and mutual deterrences were set up, compared to the initial long-reaching fianchettos and all.

[Weezard]

"White had problems before the rook exchange. I think my main problem came from incomplete evaluation of where the previous exchanges would leave me position-wise.

Gotta put some back-spin on da cue ball to avoid a scratch, yah?

I played it sorta hypermodern/Indian "inspired" if I'm correctly understanding wikipedia's breakdown of the schools of thought.

Aaron Nimsovitch.
The "Stormy Petrel" of the game. came up with the Nimsovitch/Indian defense
which makes for an interesting game.
I'll try to coreograph it into our next contest. ;)

Interesting how close the infighting was, once the balances and mutual deterrences were set up, compared to the initial long-reaching fianchettos and all."

The wikis are ok, but for a clear understanding of why a good opening succeeds, I recommend a book.:D

I think it was called logical steps to chess.
I'll see if I can find my copy and send it with the plumeria starts.

Once read, or tried to read, a Bobby Fischer book.
Could not follow it, the man is quite insane.

Anyway.
P - KR4 should seal the deal.
Your king is now rendered harmless and if I promote to a rook, leave it on a red square, and protect it with the bishop, it's curtains.
Roll credits.

Weeze guy

[DreadedHermie]

Hey, the board ate a post. (Fancy that...:rolleyes:)

I talked some smack, explained an *idea* (der) and made a move, refusing to accept defeat.

K x P

[Weezard]

You don't know where dem feet been!:D



Hey, the board ate a post. (Fancy that...:rolleyes:)

I talked some smack, explained an *idea* (der) and made a move, refusing to accept defeat.

K x P

Got bad news brah!:(
King no can move into check no time, nohow.

Da knight's pawn is protected by black's bishop.
An da odder pawn is at KR4, out of reach and protected by the safe pawn at KN3.

So,
How now?

W

[DreadedHermie]

Oh, yes. The Bishop...

Didn't see him. "Your king is now rendered harmless" now makes sense.

Gotta resign then. You got the drop on me, Marshall. :D

[Weezard]

Oh, yes. The Bishop...

Didn't see him. "Your king is now rendered harmless" now makes sense.

Gotta resign then. You got the drop on me, Marshall. :D

Din't I say
"No make no sudden moves, podner"
No?
Dang!

Greyware's gettin' buggier.
Le's see...

I is old, fodder Billiam.
Da ol' frent said.
An' da Chechens are beating my peas.
Still I'll hang wit' da land.
An' I'll dance to da band.
But I nevah do nieder, on knees.:D

Now, dat's one toke ovah, da line, yah?

Good stuff! Dis UV flied lice!
Woof!:stoned:

Weeze, sorta.:D

[DreadedHermie]

Czechs are oiling their gardens again, jah?

[Weezard]

Czechs are oiling their gardens again, jah?

Oh tchoor!
Dey are.
Not me.
I jus' can't, won't, don't, get up oily enough.
Evah!

Howzit, brah?
You OK?

Weeze

W

[DreadedHermie]

Yeah, I'm fine.

Trying to tie up some loose ends. Fittin' to get busy again. Stressing about that a bit, I guess--nothing serious.

Play again?

[Weezard]

Yeah, I'm fine.

Trying to tie up some loose ends. Fittin' to get busy again. Stressing about that a bit, I guess--nothing serious.

Play again?

Yes, thanks!
Thought you'd nevah ask.;)

Meanwhile.
The last BH run was excellent.
[attachment=o232708]


4.1G. from 40G of sugar leaf.;
[attachment=o232711]
Yee ha! Personal best.
No "green", no tar, no dirt. no dog hair.
Just;
[attachment=o232709].

At 400x I found a single amber trichome.
Which I offer to Rusty's wife as a get well card.;
[attachment=o232710]


When I 'scoped the tailings, I saw inner folds still crusted with occupied trichs. ;
[attachment=o232712]
Then there's the surface, and internal thc, so I threw the bolus, still chilled, into a saucepan full of water and butter.

Simmered for 2 hours, then strained and skimmed.
Will make p-nut budder cookies with the butter.
My last batch was a hit.
Can't quantify the budder yeild , but any buzz left after a >10% hash yeild is pure gravy to me.:cool:

I is bubbled to da gills.:stoned:

You take da first move brah.

A happy, wee, tiny, 'zard:smokin:

[DreadedHermie]

P-K4

No dog hair?

Once I discovered a whole buncha red pistils on the floor of the flower closet, which I generally keep spotlessly clean. I had a slow-finishing sativa under a hot HPS and figgered they just kinda fell out overnight, so I swept them up into a little pile and crammed them greedily into my little brass pipe.

Just as I was wolfing down an enormous hit, I heard my little brown special-needs doggie let out a contented groan. She had backed up to the 6" intake vents on the other side of the wall, and was letting the suction give her a nice grooming/massage.

That was some harsh smoke.

Cookies are prolly better.

[Weezard]

P-K4

No dog hair?

Once I discovered a whole buncha red pistils on the floor of the flower closet, which I generally keep spotlessly clean. I had a slow-finishing sativa under a hot HPS and figgered they just kinda fell out overnight, so I swept them up into a little pile and crammed them greedily into my little brass pipe.

Just as I was wolfing down an enormous hit, I heard my little brown special-needs doggie let out a contented groan. She had backed up to the 6" intake vents on the other side of the wall, and was letting the suction give her a nice grooming/massage.

That was some harsh smoke.

Cookies are prolly better.

I'd think the chewy ones would clog yer screen.:rastasmoke:

P - K4

W

[oldmac]

Hey Weezard,

Nice BH pictures. Damn good closeups, you be gettin' good with da toy.(my hand ain't steady enough for 400x)

OK, so what is your collection method oh mighty sage of the trichome?:D

[Weezard]

Hey Weezard,

Nice BH pictures. Damn good closeups, you be gettin' good with da toy.(my hand ain't steady enough for 400x)

OK, so what is your collection method oh mighty sage of the trichome?:D

Thanks Mac!

Not steady at all, but persistent.
Good ol' "dig it all" cameras:thumbsup:
Take a hundred shots throw 98 away, yah?

Bubba hash tips

Tip 1.
Is all about proper drying and curing of the sugar n popcorn before the deep freeze.
I dry well, then jar for a month, then deep freeze.
Basically, treat it like good bud.

If it's still green when ya freeze it, the end product suffers from black and green tars.
If the leaf is too fresh, the hash never dries.
Tastes nasty too. :p

Tip 2.
It's good to wait until the water is very cold before adding the frozen leaf if you want max yeild.
Trichs warm up real fast 'roun' here so I leave it in da freezer until the water's properly chilled.

Tip 3.
Recirculate.
I put the coarse bag in an insulated bucket with a drain hole.

Hermie uses a cooler.
Which is :cool:er.

When I start the top bucket/cooler, I add extra water and wait about an hour for it all to chill.
I put it up on the table so it can use gravity to drain it into the lower bucket with the rest of the bubble bags in it.
To recirculate the ice water to keep up with melting ice and to wash down the sides of the coarse bag, I use a cheapie pond pump in a bottom of the second bucket.
That water is filtered by the bags so the pump sees very clean, cold, water which it pumps to the top bucket.
That lets you control exactly how "mushy" the ice is.
And that, is the key to higher yield.
Too dry, can't stir!
Too watery, not enough "bumping" to knock off the resin globs.
[attachment=o232768]

Tip 4.
Hand mush!
It's not that hard when the mix is right.
I used a blender once. Very bad Idea.
Chopped the leaf into itsy bits which went through the coarse screen. Feh!
Then I tried an ice cream maker. :rastasmoke:
Too gentle. Low yield.
A large paddle or spoon and a just right ice/water ratio has made the whole process easy, productive and rewarding for me.
Yours can be driven by Tonto power.:D

That's what I got, so far.
Can't wait to see you finesse it to a science.:cool:

Topic?
Oh yeah!
Um on-topic...?

Tip 5.
When most of the water is squoze out of the hash.
Wrap it in saran and put it in the heel of your shoe.
Then take a hike.
That turns Lebanese blonde into Afghany slab.
At least cosmetically.:D
Then take one good hit, and play some chess.

See, on-topic!:D

Aloha
Weeze

[oldmac]

Thanks a bunch Weezard.:thumbsup:

Excellent tips and tutorial.
I've been doing something much different, drying the trimmings (a couple of days) then freezing the trim and putting it in a paint strainer bag. Then manually shaking it over a glass table, and collecting the kief, or trichomes.
Scarp it up and toke or vape. Or we put 7gm of keif between 2 quarters and squeeeeze in the hydralic press....blonde quarters. (the state quarters have been a kick, collecting and pressing)

I had plans to build a brass screen trommel (rotating drum) to do this, but maybe I should consider the water/ice idea...I think I saw plans to convert a washing machine....and I have one of those...:D

tanks again -oldmac

Oh back to topic, chess?, please carry on.:)

[Horsemanrocks]

Dr. Hermie
Thanks again for the tip on the stones��much more consistent than the ones I had.

Weeze
Finally got off to the city for materialsâ?¦.the cloner project is beginning to take a little shape. Sposta snow here tomorrow so if shoveling doesnâ??t occupy my entire day, Iâ??ll e-ya pics tomorrow or soon.

Hasta el proximo vez,
HMR

[DreadedHermie]

Hey, nice tutorial on hashmaking. All except the walking part. Too much like work. I jes' put it in my front trouser pocket and underwrite lap dances until everything reaches the proper consistency. :thumbsup: Costs a bit, I know, but the economy has really taken a toll on those kids...:(

P - KB4

I love bringing that knight out soon, but this looks interesting. Not particularly strong, but interesting...

[Weezard]

Iff'n ya wants interesting.
P X P

All downhill from here.:D

W.

[DreadedHermie]

N - KB3

[Weezard]

Best move!

I'll answer with;

P - Q3

A quiet move.

Too quiet.

The book says;
Develop a piece.

Yet, I short-move a pawn.
You might want to think about that.:)

BTY, that was good advice, to beef.

There's a fellow, (I think), ovah on IC that I asked to open a DIY thread for his ledengin build.
He asked us for help in "LEDGIRL's thread."
(Hey, he bought it, it's his.:D )
No need a weatherman to forcast that future, yah?
So I told him to open a new thread, and I'd drop by to kibitz.

He did just that.
It's refreshing to note, that he slogged through all our posts first, before asking for assistance.:thumbsup:

And then did so with some grace. (Hence the "I think").
Seems bright and sincere
I told him that Giblet might drop by to translate da pidgin to high wit, with any luck.

You up for it?

Weeze

[DreadedHermie]

Well, I finally found the thread you mentioned. Sure, I'll jump in. Little late now, gotta git...

What was this about?

I posted a rather lengthy reply to that question in Apollonia's thread on c.dot.
They no want you posting links or hijackin' threads here, but if you search for it...

In truth, I'm kinda hesitant about posting anything here lately.
Ya know what I mean?


Ya know, L.gurl is a mod/advertiser on another board, also. (Grnpassn) Same tactics there. I remember when the "civil-disobedience-for-lunch-bunch" would have rejected all this hype/marketing B.S. as "establishment." :hippy: Obviously, our willingness as a society to be fed propaganda has blossomed to match our reluctance to conduct any kind of experimentation with proper controls.

Lemme study your sneaky little chess move and see what this may transpose into. Once the first few moves are over I just play it by ear, but I like to study the openings. It's like learning a new piece on an instrument that you already know how to play.

I was tempted to do B - QB4 on my last move just to feel how that plays out, but I just didn't like the "feel" of it. Looks like another cueball scratch. :D

[Weezard]

Well, I finally found the thread you mentioned. Sure, I'll jump in. Little late now, gotta git...

What was this about?

That, was all about what happens when an abrasive, Paying advertiser is given mod rights.
A good post, takes time and effort.

"spend all me life raisin' children? Just to feed lions? Not me!"


Ya know, L.gurl is a mod/advertiser on another board, also. (Grnpassn) Same tactics there. I remember when the "civil-disobedience-for-lunch-bunch" would have rejected all this hype/marketing B.S. as "establishment." :hippy: Obviously, our willingness as a society to be fed propaganda has blossomed to match our reluctance to conduct any kind of experimentation with proper controls.

True dat!
And then there's the $$$$$$$$$$ factor.
These boards cost to run. So...

I almost got seduced by the carrot of a free light meself.
Though I tell myself it was curiosity.
Then I came to.
"No man should make himself a dog for want of a bone." Yah?

Nominated Sleepy for the test grow and will satisfy my curiosity by watching his results.

Guess I'm too lazy to corrupt.:D

Lemme study your sneaky little chess move and see what this may transpose into. Once the first few moves are over I just play it by ear, but I like to study the openings. It's like learning a new piece on an instrument that you already know how to play.

I was tempted to do B - QB4 on my last move just to feel how that plays out, but I just didn't like the "feel" of it. Looks like another cueball scratch. :D

Good instincts. There are better moves than that.

I gave up tempo for a pawn.
Hmmm what made that pawn worth taking?:jointsmile:
Look to your vulnerabilities.

You dismantled you king's side castle early-on, so I can start gearing up to dismantle your queen's side now.
Then, it's head to head in the center. Whee!
This is already a non-standard opening so, should be very interesting.:thumbsup:

Aloha,
W.

[DreadedHermie]

I almost got seduced by the carrot of a free light meself.
Though I tell myself it was curiosity.
Hey, curiousity works for me. (Gutshots woulda been interesting, kef, kef...) I just noticed a pic of the light that shows the emitters in small groups, exactly aligned with the 6 cooling fans. The best reason I can think of to do dat is to compensate for inadequate heatsinking. You a bettin' man?

You dismantled you king's side castle early-on, so I can start gearing up to dismantle your queen's side now.
I realize it's not ideal to castle with a pawn or two missing. But might it be still be worthwhile to castle kingside, considering where it puts that rook? I guess I need to consider the pawn's defensive capabilities. (I got all swept up in having discovered promotions and pawn chains.) Looks like you think I've blown a hole in the side of my castle already...

P.S. Is there a quick to suppress the signatures?

[Weezard]

Hey, curiousity works for me. (Gutshots woulda been interesting, kef, kef...) I just noticed a pic of the light that shows the emitters in small groups, exactly aligned with the 6 cooling fans. The best reason I can think of to do dat is to compensate for inadequate heatsinking. You a bettin' man?

Hmmm, Mod U lar, yah?
.Makes 'em easy to scale is my guess.

I realize it's not ideal to castle with a pawn or two missing. But might it be still be worthwhile to castle kingside, considering where it puts that rook? I guess I need to consider the pawn's defensive capabilities. (I got all swept up in having discovered promotions and pawn chains.) Looks like you think I've blown a hole in the side of my castle already...

Kinda.


P.S. Is there a quick to suppress the signatures?

Easy, when I remember, jus' scroll down, and un-check "show your signature".
I think it's your move, no?

W.

[DreadedHermie]

Now... B - QB4.

Hey, can you check the thread I just answered? New poster apparently burned off his fan leaves with neem oil followed by high heat. Filled out the form, everything looks kosher. Prognosis?

[Weezard]

Now... B - QB4.

Hey, can you check the thread I just answered? New poster apparently burned off his fan leaves with neem oil followed by high heat. Filled out the form, everything looks kosher. Prognosis?


Looked at it.
Pretty sure it's the neem/dawn.
Nasty stuff, Dawn, dehydrates the leaves.
But, that wouldn't be new information, yah?
Be more like rubbing it in.
Can't suggest a fix, either, those leaves are gone.

Prognosis?

I'd let it ride while re-stocking my clones and hope for mercy.

He's already learned something 'bout pest control.
Less is more. and Know thy enemy.

B - KN5
I finally moved a piece.
But, orthodox, it ain't.

;)
Weeze

[oldmac]

Hey Weez & DH,

@DH: nice posts on the stealthy LED on the other side!:thumbsup:

@ Weez: You showed me your's now here is a picture of mine. Dry collected kief, up close and personal. :)

[DreadedHermie]

Hey, Mac...did you ever try a Makin's Clay Extruder as a keif press? I gotta picture around here somewhere.. they're like $20...

[Weezard]

Hey Weez & DH,

@DH: nice posts on the stealthy LED on the other side!:thumbsup:

@ Weez: You showed me your's now here is a picture of mine. Dry collected kief, up close and personal. :)

Sheesh porn!
Made my day!
Thanks OM.
It should have occured to me that you have too much volume to mess with icewater.
Though you could prolly use ice water to float the trich stalks and cystoliths off as a last step before pressing.
Also rinses out water soluables like bug poo.
Some of those caps are water clear.
You like da young, uppity girls, yah?

Thanks Mac
Weeze

[DreadedHermie]

P - QN3

[oldmac]

Hey, Mac...did you ever try a Makin's Clay Extruder as a keif press? I gotta picture around here somewhere.. they're like $20...

I just googled it to see it. Interesting, I never thought about extruding it. They do have some crazy shapes, but I think I will continue pressing it between quarters in a cylinder under the hydralic press.:)

[Weezard]

P - QN3

B X N

I just gave up another tempi:wtf:
Sure hope I know what I'm doing.:D


BTW.
Big Mahalo fo' da turkey guts postings on da ic.
Beautiful job!
Hope jj realizes how lucky he just got.:thumbsup:

Mahalo,
Weeze

[oldmac]

Sheesh porn!
Made my day!
Thanks OM.
It should have occured to me that you have too much volume to mess with icewater.Why do you think I mentioned the washing machine!
Though you could prolly use ice water to float the trich stalks and cystoliths off as a last step before pressing.I might consider that, it could have a calming effect on the harshness of the smoke. Sorta a water cure.
Also rinses out water soluables like bug poo.I don't have "bug poo" in either of my grows. I grow indoors and believe in good hygiene.
Some of those caps are water clear.They from the bottoms of the leaves, and they drop off first. Since playing with the eyeclops I've realized that the trichs from the bottom of the leaves are longer and usually bent so they break off easier.
You like da young, uppity girls, yah?Even when the girls are fully tan on top, thier bottoms be clear or milky white. That's my definition of 50% amber and I'm sticking to it.(literally sticking to it, while trimming)

Thanks Mac
Weeze

:D -oldmac

[DreadedHermie]

Interesting, I never thought about extruding it.You don't extrude it-you use the smallest dies and it compresses it into a nickel-sized wafer--it doesn't come thru the holes. Lemme find dat pic...you just use it as a hand press....

[DreadedHermie]

Datsa keif slug, dere. :thumbsup:

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[DreadedHermie]

Q x B
(so I don't double my pawns) :D

[Weezard]

Q x B
(so I don't double my pawns) :D

And to develop the Q.

Q - KB3

W.

[Weezard]

:D -oldmac

Why do you think I mentioned the washing machine!

Zackly when I woke up!:D

If I was growing large, I'd be dry screening too.
Hell, I'd dry 'em brittle, bag 'em, and beat 'em with sticks.
Then do a quick icewater rinse to float out da hairs.
(Got three dogs an a cat)

Though you could prolly use ice water to float the trich stalks and cystoliths off as a last step before pressing.I might consider that, it could have a calming effect on the harshness of the smoke. Sorta a water cure.

That it does.
Gets rid of house dust too.
Lotsa crap sticks to da goo.

Also rinses out water soluables like bug poo.I don't have "bug poo" in either of my grows. I grow indoors and believe in good hygiene.

Not a fan of bug poo, but now that I grow outside, I get aphid "honeydew" and gecko pee as well.
Comes with.:).
Have to rinse and dry before I trim da buds.
But, sunlight got no greedy meter, yah.
And indoors, Argh! Got problems.
I'm getting whitefly poo all over my indoor veg. girls lately.

Friend gifted me some "trojan clones":(
Drat!
Outside, they have natural predators and wind.
Inside, they laugh at nopeststrips.
Threw a big fan at 'em and I herd them toward the exhaust fan when I'm in there.
Got the soil surface covered too, but they just keep breedin.
And I try to avoid any kine spray, so., what to do?

You have any wisdom 'bout dem buggahs?
Da tiny kine, but almost definitely white fly
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"Some of those caps are water clear.They from the bottoms of the leaves, and they drop off first. Since playing with the eyeclops I've realized that the trichs from the bottom of the leaves are longer and usually bent so they break off easier.
"
Aha!
Makes sense.
I usually find the tiny clear caps in da bottom sieve.
They make a very blonde, almost white, hash.
I assumed it was a higher grade sifting. Woohoo!:jointsmile:

Hence my disapointment.
The high was "thin", short lasting, and lacked "character" .
I think I just learned why. Mahalo nui!

Now I'm wondering if my shiny mulch will reflect enough light to cloud the shaded caps up some.

The clear ones are un-affected by UVb.
Least, as far as I can see.
Once they are ripe, it no take long.
Dey brown right up, then Cheech yer Chong.:stoned:

OK. Gettin' too ripped to post now.
L8r
Weeze

[DreadedHermie]

Hey, changing my hours.

haven't had a chance to move, sorry.

back later...

[DreadedHermie]

N - QB3

[DreadedHermie]

Re: Whiteflies

I can't see that pic well at all. Actually looks more like a larva-creature on my monitor, but I'm guessing that's actually a winged adult.

Know ya don't like sprays, but Volck Oil Spray was very effective against lotsa critters like that. Used to use it in the greenhouse, and as a leaf wash / shine for decoratives. (Talking 30+ years ago. Volck is obviously a petroleum product, and I don't see it mentioned any more. Maybe some side effects have been discovered since then...)

Worked well on weed, too, but I never used it within 30 days of harvest or got my buds wet with it- leaves only. Also, treated plants become very sensitive to light and heat. Saw some inexperienced applicators really do some epic damage that way. Just a thought...

[Weezard]

Re: Whiteflies

I can't see that pic well at all. Actually looks more like a larva-creature on my monitor, but I'm guessing that's actually a winged adult.

Just so. White wings on white body. Hard to photograph.
They are tiny moths.

Know ya don't like sprays, but Volck Oil Spray was very effective against lotsa critters like that. Used to use it in the greenhouse, and as a leaf wash / shine for decoratives. (Talking 30+ years ago. Volck is obviously a petroleum product, and I don't see it mentioned any more. Maybe some side effects have been discovered since then...)

Worked well on weed, too, but I never used it within 30 days of harvest or got my buds wet with it- leaves only. Also, treated plants become very sensitive to light and heat. Saw some inexperienced applicators really do some epic damage that way. Just a thought...

True dat.
Direct application of anything to ingestable parts of my girls is on my nevahdo list.
But more germane is the bad news my research turned up.

The best control is natural enemies, and just about anything you can use on weed is harder on the predators, than on the prey!
Makes it counterproductive.

Only harmless control I saw was yellow sticky traps.
They don't do much damage and they do indicate when a plant is in trouble.
When one of the gals gets "out of sorts", they mob her.
Guess nothin's all bad.

Oh, yeah!

N - QB3 also.

W

[DreadedHermie]

B - QN2

Not on the usual list, but...

Thought about oleoresin capsicum? That deters a lotta creatures. (Also why Hermie so often cries after sex...:() Exposure to O2 breaks it down, typically the carrier is an ethyl alcohol / H2O mixture with a propylene glycol-type food-grade preservative. Just throwin' stuff out, here...

[Weezard]

B - QN2

Not on the usual list, but...

Thought about oleoresin capsicum? That deters a lotta creatures. (Also why Hermie so often cries after sex...:() Exposure to O2 breaks it down, typically the carrier is an ethyl alcohol / H2O mixture with a propylene glycol-type food-grade preservative. Just throwin' stuff out, here...

N - Q5
Say's "howzit, Queenie?"

Had not considered annoying them away.
'cept for the hurricane force winds and the soil covers.
Pepper spray, eh?
Bet I could homebrew that from these "too hot to even handle", Hawiian peppers!
Hmmm.:detective1:

They are attracted to yellow leaves.
Perhap I could use yellow light to attract them to the exhaust vent.:toilet_claw:

I'll trade ya some slightly used starfish brown emitters for some Sunburst yellows.;)

Weeze

[hachiman6677]

Very nice photos and information on here gents!:stoned: Been readin and readin all these posts. :thumbsup:

[Weezard]

Very nice photos and information on here gents!:stoned: Been readin and readin all these posts. :thumbsup:

Mahalo nui!
hachiman.:giveflower:

We jus':weedpoke::jointsmile::glugglug::S2:an tryin ta learn to play chess while too high to sit up.
Glad you enjoy it, we're here all week.:D

Alo ha
Wee zard

[DreadedHermie]

I'ma hang onna dem Amber Slammers for awhile. Looks like there's still some interest in reconstructing an HPS spectral distribution... :wtf::D

Gotta run some errands. I'll rescue queenie later...

If you're homebrewing chemical agents, wash yer hands before reapplying mascara or using the "powder room." (Don't ask...)

There's also some powder versions of OC spray. The military's been working with OC-impregnated ring airfoils for awhile. (SOFTrag I think was the project...) Then there's the .62 cal pepper balls the tactical entry teams are using in paintball guns...

Dusting the plants with stuff like that might work better than "macing" them, especially if you're applying near buds...

[Weezard]

I'ma hang onna dem Amber Slammers for awhile. Looks like there's still some interest in reconstructing an HPS spectral distribution... :wtf::D

Gotta run some errands. I'll rescue queenie later...

If you're homebrewing chemical agents, wash yer hands before reapplying mascara or using the "powder room." (Don't ask...)

There's also some powder versions of OC spray. The military's been working with OC-impregnated ring airfoils for awhile. (SOFTrag I think was the project...) Then there's the .62 cal pepper balls the tactical entry teams are using in paintball guns...

Dusting the plants with stuff like that might work better than "macing" them, especially if you're applying near buds...

Point taken, brah, thanks.

There's a gibletus proximus thread that asks what's the nicest thing folks have said about yer weed.
Tell 'em 'bout da steelheads.
They must have been able to talk again, eventually, yah?:D

W.

[hachiman6677]

Mahalo nui!
hachiman.:giveflower:

We jus':weedpoke::jointsmile::glugglug::S2:an tryin ta learn to play chess while too high to sit up.
Glad you enjoy it, we're here all week.:D

Alo ha
Wee zard


Wish I was that medicated! the title grabbed me by the gonads and kept me lol stoner chess xD thought maybe it was with cheetos or somethin on a chess board and the person who won was the one who ate the least of his pieces :wtf:

You guys are alright:D

[DreadedHermie]

Hey, Hachiman...What's up. I've temporarily forgotten how to use punctuation. I think. :stoned: Sorry,

@ W.: Other "spot irritants" you might consider are boric acid and diatomaceous earth. Maybe you could devise a mini-airbrush or modify an atomizer to dispense a precise application of powder? Both those items are pretty innocuous to humans, but work really well on a few kinda bugz. Not sure about dusting yer leaves in boric acid, but that's not what I'm sayin'. :D

And, I'll try Q - Q3

Oh, and what about modifying a little handheld/battery-powered computer keyboard vac for individual pest removal? (I no u got dat kine stuff roun'.:D) Make a little, teeny pickup attachment, suck 'em up on sight.....Tha's how the natural beneficial controls do it.:D
:stoned:

[Weezard]

Da lowering o da boom.

Q - R5 Check!

Aloha
Weeze:jointsmile:

[DreadedHermie]

P - KN3

[Weezard]

P X P

[DreadedHermie]

o-o-o
(that puts the king at QN1, correct?)

[Weezard]

o-o-o
(that puts the king at QN1, correct?)

Sure does!
Well played, sir!
Now, that's how to use casteling.

Guess I'd better scoot.
N - QB3

If I abandon my brave, loyal, pawn I still have 3 white pawns festering in the trunk.:)

W.

[DreadedHermie]

P x P

There's a gibletus proximus thread that asks what's the nicest thing folks have said about yer weed.


Sounds like an exercise in narcissism. :thumbsup: Does "Do you still need me to call 911?" count?

Last night, my bartender friend took a coupla absentminded knocks off a small joint of "Stickybud," which is only 3 weeks into curing. She was gabbing continuously; it didn't even look like any smoke got absorbed. In the middle of a third "toke" she suddenly stopped inhaling as that "deer in the headlights" look washed over her face. All she said was, "Uh, oh..."



People tend to be kinda quiet after smoking Hermie's bud. The compliments come days later! Some of the usual praise:


"Stay away from me with that shit."


"Where the hell is my bra?"


"How long was I out?"


"Are you an angel?"


"What day is it?"


"Please tell me I did not eat ____________"
a) all those cookies
b) both of those pizzas
c) that Honeybaked ham you were gonna send to Uncle Fred

[oldmac]

Hey DH, I liked the hash nickle and thank you for explaining that you use the extruder as just a press. I had visions of strange shapes like stars being extruded. I'm already using a 10 ton hydralic press to form "quarters" (7 grams of kief pressed between two quarters) of hash.:)

Yo Weez, I have been amazed at what I've seen with the eyeclops. The best example is looking at the collected kief. I always thought the first shaking was the "cleanest" and subsequent shakes where darker because they were "dirtier" from pieces of leaf etc. But after looking at things closer it appears that the bottom trichs fall off first, to produce a very blonde product and later shakings has more amber to it and is darker. And not that much (as I had thought) other material.

BTW for indoor pest control, I like DH's idea of pepper balls in a paintball gun! Just make sure you wear a gas mask when you go to do battle!:D

[Weezard]

Q - KN4

Lookin' good.
Black is 2 pawns up, but they were costly.
If you can hang on to the 4 move tempo advantage, this game is in the bag for ya.
A good illustration of how early Queen deployment and neglected piece deployment can cripple your mid-game.

Don't help black develop any pieces, or let 'im catch his breath.
Force moves that mess up co-protection positions and crowd black into a tight defense.

"Rape! Murder!
It's just a shot away.
It's just a shot away.":D

'ey OM?:)
"I have been amazed at what I've seen with the eyeclops"
That's what I like about you, and DH.:thumbsup:

Dem udder boy, will grin wit' joy.
Den, stash him with dere udder toy.

But youse 2 guys,bot' recognize.
Snot jus':cool: 'sa serious tool.

Look deep inna plant.
Now see what ya can't.

(Or; could not previously see, but who's counting?)

Besides, I've got poetic license.
Came wit' da blue card.:p

Alohaha

Wakenbaked Weeze:stoned:

[Weezard]

P x P


Sounds like an exercise in narcissism. :thumbsup: Does "Do you still need me to call 911?" count?

Last night, my bartender friend took a coupla absentminded knocks off a small joint of "Stickybud," which is only 3 weeks into curing. She was gabbing continuously; it didn't even look like any smoke got absorbed. In the middle of a third "toke" she suddenly stopped inhaling as that "deer in the headlights" look washed over her face. All she said was, "Uh, oh..."

Now, that, is a mini mind movie!:thumbsup:
I'll store dat in case I need a chuckle.

People tend to be kinda quiet after smoking Hermie's bud. The compliments come days later! Some of the usual praise:


"Stay away from me with that shit."


"Where the hell is my bra?"


"How long was I out?"

"My butt hurts"?:D


"Are you an angel?"


"What day is it?"

"Whaat tiime tst :):D:eek::giggity::silly::jumphappy::lol5::S2:"!!
"Dude! dat kine:asskick: !"

"Please tell me I did not eat ____________"
a) all those cookies
b) both of those pizzas
c) that Honeybaked ham you were gonna send to Uncle Fred

d) Uncle Fred.

<pause> to :lol5:

Back?, Good!

Very good news on the polycarbonate greenhouse roof!
Transition lenses darken under it about the same as they do in open sunlight, so I assumed that it was transparent to UVb.
'Til one of my girls matured under it.

No, amber!
No tan!:wtf:

Went from water clear to mostly cloudy, to all cloudy, to we're out of room here.
Brought her up to the lanai for a 6 hour tan that gave them a uniform yellowish tint.
Then chopped and hung.
Only took 4 days to dry to "snap-off"!

Dude!
The same genetics that merely kicked my ass have gone into the "Gotta spend the night" stash.
And that was raw!

Now I have the led advantage under sunlight, and I'm thinking that tanning requires a shorter wavelength UV than I had thought.
That, or that the darkening involved infra-red. Hmmm...

Gonna dig out my bulk E-prom wiper and a hunk of the poly and do some pokin' around.
Dang! Things are getting interesting.

When this cures properly...
I will find a way to get some to you.
Yer one a da few dat could handle it, Ya ol' steelhead.

Oh yeah!
Just finished curing the first HI Homie buds.

The high lacked character when raw, but cures to superior visual and bodybuzz without tanglefoot, or mushmind.
A rare combination of effects.
Real happy wit' dis kine!:lovestruck:
This will make great stoner stocking stuffers.:jointsmile:

Carry on.

Wooze:stoned:

[DreadedHermie]

N - Q5

And black's only "up" one pawn--I just got one of urine.

Good to get a smoke report. I'm still curing my UV test buds. Preliminary samples were inconclusive. The exposed buds and unexposed controls were all taken from the "soil" indica in the soil/coco shootout. The differences between those UV-exposed buds and the shaded buds are miniscule compared to the difference between this plant, and its sister clone grown in coco (the "other" plant in the shootout. The winner, actually...;) )

The coco plant yielded easily double the soil plant, and grew its trichs a bit differently. They seemed larger, and continued to be produced over a longer time frame. So there were always lots of fresh, clear caps even though the older caps were totally mature. The older caps didn't seem to degrade, even though I did get some beautiful browning (15 reds + 3 blues :D). Actually, all the led plants grow that way; the coco gal was just a bit more so.

I will have to continue this thought later. :stoned: :D

[DreadedHermie]

Forgot to say it.

"Uh, oh...." :rastasmoke:

[Weezard]

0-0-0

An' BTW it puts the king at QB1.
That's where yours should be as well.

Wonder why I no get browning?
Bloomery or greenhouse.:wtf:
3 different strains too.
15 reds 3 blues and nothing else?
Hmmm.
My coco grown lemon skunk is outgrowing her sister in Issack's soil mix.
If I evah find sumpin' betta dan coco
I'll be sure to let you know-o, bro'

[DreadedHermie]

15 reds 3 blues and nothing else?
Well, (kef, kef) I'm dealing with some slow-maturing strains. Of course, I tweak and adjust allaway through. So, over a long time frame like that, hermie's gotta play around a little. :o

I did an all-LED "test grow" under just a Procyon and my 6 + 2, right after I retired my 400 watt HPS. I pretty well matched the 400 with that setup, and since I was used to dealing with all that HPS heat I added some 3000K fluoros for sidelighting and topside supplementals at the edge of my primary light footprint. I would rather have just added more leds, but I got too sick to build anything for awhile there. It didn't make sense to me to hamstring my production just so I could wave a "100% LED grown" banner, so I just added the extra fluoros: a coupla 3000K 2' T5HO's (48W total) and about 80 watts (actual, Hermie don't play dat million-watt-equivalent crap) of 3000K CFL's. That "didn't hurt anything," but it didn't have much positive impact, either. It was real clear that the action was happenin' under the 660's.

So, when I was well enough I built another light (7 + 1) and added a couple more reds to the 6 + 2. So there's my 15 + 3. This whole system was still below the HPS heat-wise, so I added a couple 2x2' T5HO lights for 96 more watts. Not 'cause I needed them, but I was used to dealing with all that heat from the HID--so I lit 'em up, just cause I had 'em. :D So, I had ~225W @ 3000K T5/CFL, with maybe 350 watts of LED, including the Procyon. :thumbsup: At that point heat started becoming an issue again.

I positioned the fluoros very close to various buds (IMO, the only way they work well) and marked pot positions so I could keep things relatively consistent--certain areas got blasted with fluoro long term, other areas received only what I ASSUME was an inconsequential amount of reflected 3000K light. It appeared that the best bud development and the finest trichs occurred in the areas receiving the least "accidental" white light (almost zero) and the strongest dose of 660 red.

For late flowering, in general, I wound up disconnecting one of the blues on the 8+2, and running the remaining single blue on each lamp at low intensity. For finishing an 'outdoor' sativa I cut the light cycle by an hour (went to 11 on / 13 dark), turned the remaining 2 blues down to "idle" and backed off most of the reds a bit, too. (But that plant was nearing the end of her life cycle when things naturally slow down.) By this time I had removed the Procyon--it didn't appear the plants were even noticing it when I had the 660's cranked up, other than to stop stretch to the point of inhibiting vertical growth.

I left the T5's in there for work lights and photos, but didn't run them unless I had the bloomery all opened up --the power use and heat production didn't seem justified by any improved plant responses. So: there was some WW light in the bloomery from time to time, but it didn't seem to be doing anything that justified the added heat. (EXCEPT creating "stickybud"--a separate topic :D)

The bud pictured below was dead center under the 660's, right between 2 blues, too. (And well away from any fluoros.) I was getting leaf-bleaching and light-avoidance, and wound up disconnecting one of the blues and raising the light a bit. There's a "saturation point" for cramming high-power emitters onto a 100in^2 heatsink, at which you have to raise the light more than 6" above the plant tops OR drop the current below 1200mA. In my grow space, with the mutt genetics I have, that point is at 7+1. Cramming an 8th red emitter on the sink still gives a great bloom ratio, but unless I were to spread them out further on a bigger heatsink the light is too intense. Raising the lamp lets the light spread too much (IMO), and running the emitters at half-power is really poor planning.

This is a concept I'd like to get across to JJ: now that we have the ability to overwhelm a plant with light, we need to be start being real selective with our colors. Even the Procyon can't compete with the 660's for flower. Not even close. :thumbsup:

I know you, WT, and Appolonia have all experienced the light-overload phenomena. (The lenses on the Procyon's Crees make it easy to do.) The bleaching, stalled growth, and "ram's horns" (as Appolonia called it) are hard to miss. I don't recall reading anything similar from Old Mac, but it's hard to imagine he hasn't made some reefer plants say "uncle" with his T1's, too. Trying to explain this to a close-minded LED sceptic is difficult; no one who's got a lasting impression of leds as novelty panels is going to believe this is possible--"Too much light? No such thing..." :yeahright:

But this bud? LED grown only (aside from the above-confessed incidental WW pollution) with what I decided later was "more blue than necessary." The Goddess rolled a joint with some of this bud last night, thinking it was something less potent. By the time we figured out she had been nosing around in the wrong jars....

*Uh, oh...*

I could hardly move my hands. I shudder to review whatever chess move I may have made. I also lost a day again. :stoned:

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[Weezard]

You just saved me some trouble.:thumbsup:
I was about to start futzing with infra red along with the UV.

What you just told me is that mercury vapor will output a short enough wavelength to rust-up some trichs.
(I should know that.)
And IR is probably not a player.
This means I can tan them indoors if need be.
Lot easier to quantify than sunlight over time, yah?

Just took a test bud from the greenhouse WW.
Takin' some snaps as it dries in the dark.

Then put the donor out in the sun onna lanai.:cool:
I'm taking some macro shots of the her in sunlight every hour to see what's too much and how fast they brown.
Then I'll have a benchmark for my QMV tube irradiation.

Thanks again for da "thinker toy", my friend!
It is being well employed.


Think, I'll cover my Quartz tube Mercury Vapor light with the polycarbonate roofing and see what gets through before I run off in all directions.

No worry 'bout da chess game, you are way ahead in position and time.:thumbsup:


Aloha.
Da zard dat hadda wash his keyboard wit iso.

[DreadedHermie]

I LOLed at this. Talk about a euphemism.


Risk of 'Non-passive' Failure (Lamp Explosion)


Explosion. Yep, dat's pretty "non-passive."

[oldmac]

I learn more about what you guy's are doing by stopping by the chess board then reading your grow section posts!

Hey DH, that is one very ambered closeup and just red and blue? Honestly the first time I've seen that occur....wonder if it's a product of just being dead nuts at peak red or...you sure no far red or something?:wtf:
BTW I have said the TI's will stop a plant in it's upward tracks. Not long ago had a exchange with Apollonia about where the "sweet" spot is for growing with the Procyon and TI, too close no growth, too far no growth or just stretch. And your right about the skeptics, first it was LEDs don't work then if they see that they do it becomes something else...like my partner.:wtf:

Yo Weez, you are right that there is no magical missing chord when it comes to a good 2 color LED light....but there might be just a couple of extra notes that could sweeten the tune.

Have you guys read "the PAD manual" and what do you think? Can someone explain it?:D

[Weezard]

I learn more about what you guy's are doing by stopping by the chess board then reading your grow section posts!

Hey DH, that is one very ambered closeup and just red and blue? Honestly the first time I've seen that occur....wonder if it's a product of just being dead nuts at peak red or...you sure no far red or something?:wtf:

:DActually, they've seen his 8' tubes, and so, had choke UV.
I had the same reaction until he 'splained what they saw.

BTW I have said the TI's will stop a plant in it's upward tracks. Not long ago had a exchange with Apollonia about where the "sweet" spot is for growing with the Procyon and TI, too close no growth, too far no growth or just stretch. And your right about the skeptics, first it was LEDs don't work then if they see that they do it becomes something else...like my partner.:wtf:

Yo Weez, you are right that there is no magical missing chord when it comes to a good 2 color LED light....but there might be just a couple of extra notes that could sweeten the tune.

Perhaps.
So far, it ain't broke.:jointsmile:
And legally, I can't afford higher yield.:)
I am a soft touch though, if my girls want somethin'...
So far they no complain.
Had me worried, thought they were closet males.:D

Have you guys read "the PAD manual" and what do you think? Can someone explain it?:D

Well, I read it.
What I gathered is, If I micro-manage temporally, and spectrally , (hey a new word!), I can fool the plants into a quicker harvest. A whole week or two!
Big woop.
I supposed it's $$ for the commercial growers.
But me? I'm a lazy zard
I'd druther spend that time talkin' to da girls an tokin' on dere moms.

Aloha,
In no hurry, 'zard

[Weezard]

I Do believe it's your move.
I castled, queen side about 3 posts back.

Alo ha
W.

[Weezard]

Here's an update on the Lemon Skunk grow-off.
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Outdoors for true color photo.
Then right back under R/B leds.
The coco is in a bigger pot, because she grew out of her shoes first.
Mind, I've been using my hydro nutes on both so the ph is low for soil and probably are over-kill as well.
Next I'll give Issack some cuttings in coco and a 3 gallon jug of nuted water to put up against a dirty girl or two.

Inokea 'bout Beeg, I kea 'bout easy,
I gettem bot'?
So ono it broke da mout'!:rastasmoke:
:cool:
W.

[DreadedHermie]

Okay, Okay...KR - KB1

I was busy reviewing trich footage. I got some browning on that all-led run I did, too. That was the plant beside the measuring tape that Mac overlooked...:lol5:

I really don't think the shortwaves from the 3000K had much to do with this. The buds directly under/beside fluoro were less well developed with less ambers than the buds directly under led.

Looking for pics.

[DreadedHermie]

These are from plant "3-10" (cause that's when I flipped her). There's a little amber there, right?
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All led. Not enough light though. Just my 6 + 2 and a Procyon in a 2 x 5' scrog (a deep one :D) These plants were a little scraggly cause they were very crowded. Ran them 13-14 weeks, which is usual for this strain, except with adequate light they look like the pic above ^. I would normally just let them keep ripening trichs and adding new ones, but I wanted to ungrade the lighting and get some others started so I harvested these "twin sisters."


EDIT: Hey, you can probably tell, but these were shot on the living plant. Trichs on the cured bud pick up some opacity as they age, seems like.

[DreadedHermie]

Here's the other sister, 3-13. This was the plant in the pic with the yardstick. Sorry about the focus, all I had of dis one. There aren't a lot of crispy trichs, but there's a lotta kinda "champagne" colored ones dat are nice and plump. I'm still pretty much thinkin', with leds this means your plant's ready.

Just noticed the leds are on in these shots. Probably some red/blue/purple reflection, etc.



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[Weezard]

Okay, Okay...KR - KB1

I was busy reviewing trich footage. I got some browning on that all-led run I did, too. That was the plant beside the measuring tape that Mac overlooked...:lol5:

I really don't think the shortwaves from the 3000K had much to do with this. The buds directly under/beside fluoro were less well developed with less ambers than the buds directly under led.

Dang! Now I'm gonna need to do another indoor bloom to try to duplicate that.

Looking for pics.

Your queen is overworked.
N - K4 En guard.

Aloha
W.

[DreadedHermie]

Q - K3 :D

[DreadedHermie]

That coco plant's a nice size. Nice pot size, too. You can prolly skip a day watering with dat if you need to (indoors, anyway.)

I picked up a "Dutch table" the hydro guy called it. About a meter long, like a little horse trough. Has a molded-in drain channel. Sposta hold big blocks of rockwool, but gallon milk jugs fit it perfectly. Thinking of doing hand-watered drip-to-waste in coco next time, using these troughs. Raise 'em up off the floor a ways, incline slightly for drainage, and drop a drain hose into a runoff bucket. Once ya get dat dialed in ya hardly even need to check it any more. Just mix yer nutes according to recipe, and water to generous runoff. Use dat onna veggies. Easy enough to automate with drippers (for short-term) if necessary, too.

Just want something bigger than a gallon--thassa mandatory daily watering. Found some kitty litter in plastic jugs that are like a couple milk jugs side-by-side, little fatter, too... I'm just annoyed by how roots develop in rectangular pots. What you think?

[Weezard]

N - KB3

[Weezard]

That coco plant's a nice size. Nice pot size, too. You can prolly skip a day watering with dat if you need to (indoors, anyway.)

I picked up a "Dutch table" the hydro guy called it. About a meter long, like a little horse trough. Has a molded-in drain channel. Sposta hold big blocks of rockwool, but gallon milk jugs fit it perfectly. Thinking of doing hand-watered drip-to-waste in coco next time, using these troughs. Raise 'em up off the floor a ways, incline slightly for drainage, and drop a drain hose into a runoff bucket. Once ya get dat dialed in ya hardly even need to check it any more. Just mix yer nutes according to recipe, and water to generous runoff. Use dat onna veggies. Easy enough to automate with drippers (for short-term) if necessary, too.

Just want something bigger than a gallon--thassa mandatory daily watering. Found some kitty litter in plastic jugs that are like a couple milk jugs side-by-side, little fatter, too... I'm just annoyed by how roots develop in rectangular pots. What you think?

Pot shape is less important with coco than dirt.
Have you tried growing in plastic or burlap bags yet?
Seems that would be flexible enough to meet your needs.
Jus' 2 coppers myte!:)

A'.
W'.

[DreadedHermie]

I learn more about what you guy's are doing by stopping by the chess board then reading your grow section posts!

We find we're patronized by a better class of troll on a chess thread. :D

Hey DH, that is one very ambered closeup and just red and blue? Honestly the first time I've seen that occur....wonder if it's a product of just being dead nuts at peak red or...you sure no far red or something?:wtf:

I think St. Zard thinks my little fluoros did it. Actually, that bud was a couplathreefour inches taller than the rest. Always had it too close to the lamp while the rest of the plant was a tad out of the sweet spot. Finally got annoyed enough with it to whack it off, and noticed it seemed "further along" than the rest of the plant.

BTW I have said the TI's will stop a plant in it's upward tracks. Seemed like I remembered that, but I didn't wanna put words in your mouth.


So, here's my UV test I did back when da sun had some UV to it. This was to observe the effect of short-term UV exposure on led-grown buds; looking for some possible flash-fry ambering of trichs. The proper way to do this would be with two live plants, exposing one to sunlight and not the other, and just compare them. But, I can't be wandering around here with plants under my arm, so...


I took 5 more buds from that same plant, trimmed the lower leaves and cut the stems at an angle:
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Then, I stuck them in a block of Oasis Cube (the stuff florists use to keep cut flowers alive in arrangements) that I'd pre-saturated with pHed water. I figured those buds wouldn't know they'd been cut off for awhile.
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Then, I set them asail in a bucket of cool, pH'ed water and set them out in some serious sun from 11am to 3pm. About half that time has hazy/light overcast, but there was plenny full rays. Human bean woulda been burnt up.
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[DreadedHermie]

N - KB3


This is a mistake(?) Sacrificing yer queen?

[Weezard]

This is a mistake(?) Sacrificing yer queen?

Not sure I follow you
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What am I missing?

[DreadedHermie]

My queen's at K3 (post 1148). Not 3 rows out from where my king is now. :D

I had both of us castled wrong, apparently, although that's not an issue so far. I had the kings on the QN squares, kingside kine spacing. Sorry, I tried to confirm I was doing it right. :i feel stupid:

[Weezard]

My queen's at K3 (post 1148). Not 3 rows out from where my king is now. :D

I had both of us castled wrong, apparently, although that's not an issue so far. I had the kings on the QN squares, kingside kine spacing. Sorry, I tried to confirm I was doing it right. :i feel stupid:
No worry. You asked, I said "sure".
Den put yer Q zackly 2 squares ahead of yer corrected K pos.
Now who's:stoned::i feel stupid::stoned:

Guess dem LEDs work.:thumbsup:

So retract my N move and substitute Q X Q.
Seems I'm under developed.:(

I no worry.

W.

[DreadedHermie]

OK, the Q x Q's done.

But where was your knight before? back at starting position, I think(?) :stoned:

Well, N x Q, regardless!

[Weezard]

OK, the Q x Q's done.

But where was your knight before? back at starting position, I think(?) :stoned:

Actually,
QB3

Well, N x Q, regardless!

N - K4
W.

[DreadedHermie]

I think you're retracting the wrong knight move.

You already had a Kn on K4, from post 1147.

Kn - KB3 is the move that woulda cost your queen. Tha's the move I'm trying to retract, yah? No way you coulda come from QB3 to KB3.

Or am I just :stoned: again?

I guess it works out the same way, if you stand fast on K4 with yer one Kn, and undo-then-redo your N - KB3 move.

Is this right (white to move)?
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[Weezard]

I think you're retracting the wrong knight move.

When yer right, yer right.
Belive it or don't. I'm actually trying as hard as I can.:stoned:

You already had a Kn on K4, from post 1147. YUP

Kn - KB3 is the move that woulda cost your queen. Tha's the move I'm trying to retract, yah? No way you coulda come from QB3 to KB3.

Or am I just :stoned: again? \

Well, that too.

I guess it works out the same way, if you stand fast on K4 with yer one Kn, and undo-then-redo your N - KB3 move.

Is this right (white to move)?
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That looks right.
So...
Have-at-me.
ainoskedu.:rastasmoke:

Aloha

W.

[DreadedHermie]

P - Q4

[Weezard]

N X B

[DreadedHermie]

N x N

[DreadedHermie]

L8er, mang.
gotta date tomorrow...:pimp:

[Weezard]

N X P

That pawn was startin' to worry me.

G'night

W

[DreadedHermie]

R - KB3

Back much later, :hippy:

[Weezard]

P - KB3

Because I must.
W.

[Weezard]

Been busy!
Neighbors leave their porch light on alla time.
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Chopping 3 4 footers for hash to day.
So it goes.

Weeze.

[DreadedHermie]

Sorry about your nutz.

Perhaps you could interest the neighbors in a new green buglight for their porch. Tell 'em green is the new yellow(?) I suppose blaming the local kids for vandalism via BB gun is outta the question...

So you and Mac think the UV in my fluoros may have caused all that amber, huh? That might explain why I got "marginally better" results supplementing leds with 6500K over 3000K.

I never really ran the fluoros much; the heat didn't seem worth it. But if the fluoros are that effective in browning trichs, I say fire 'em up, IF browning this way makes a difference, smoke-wise. Sure doesn't seem to take much, just a CFL or two.

I may have some I grew under T5's (only). Gotta check those trichs, you guys have got me rethinking this.

As for that really amber cola, that's it just about touching the heatsink. It was slammed with led power, but kinda outta oomph range of the T5's, which I probably had lit just for the photo.

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[DreadedHermie]

P - Q5

[Weezard]

B - K2

[DreadedHermie]

R - K1

[Weezard]

N - KN4

[DreadedHermie]

Good one!

R - KB4

[jopedijoo]

Looking good here :thumbsup: I read from page 40 up, good stuff! Great pictures of those trichomes and nice extraction tutorial Weezard! Good update on your 15+2/3 setup DH and those lights in action pictures..GROG :stoned:


New poster apparently burned off his fan leaves with neem oil followed by high heat. Filled out the form, everything looks kosher. Prognosis?

Are you talking about me here..? If so... I've had my share of pesticide problems in the past and have tried neem oil once or twice with some success. Sorry for my ignorance but what's dawn Weezard was referring to? If I remember correctly I had no pest problems that time, but I did use a growth booster spray that someone gave me. That was for veg only. Once flowering started I stopped using it and altogether sprayed the plant twice in veg. It was alcohol based. I guess them plants don't like the booze.. I think it was alcohol of some sort, urea and probably something still.. :wtf: Could that cause the bleaching of the tops a few weeks later? Other than that it was like magic :D Huge leaves...

Good to see that you've been testing them bloody whites here, it's reassuring ;)

Great thread, so many things.. I'll just sit back, read and lurk for a while.. :rastabanna:

ps. I try to keep my questions away from here, no wanna hijack :D

[DreadedHermie]

Quote:
Originally Posted by DreadedHermie
New poster apparently burned off his fan leaves with neem oil followed by high heat. Filled out the form, everything looks kosher. Prognosis?

Are you talking about me here..?

Nope. It was this.
http://boards.cannabis.com/plant-problems/178425-severe-neem-light-burn-perservere-start-over.html

The poster sounded desperate, and went to the trouble of filling out the troubleshooting form (which saves anyone trying to help from having to play "20 Questions"). "Dawn" is a dishwashing detergent advertised as a "grease-cutter." Noob growers like to try it (only once, usually :D) as a horticultural surfactant, presumably because they've seen other noobs suggest it.

I don't really have enough info to answer your question about the "booster spray." Please fill out the form... :p :rolleyes: :lol5:

[jopedijoo]

Nope. It was this.
http://boards.cannabis.com/plant-problems/178425-severe-neem-light-burn-perservere-start-over.html

Sure, my bad. I posted something similar about my bleached plants on the same day.


The poster sounded desperate, and went to the trouble of filling out the troubleshooting form (which saves anyone trying to help from having to play "20 Questions"). "Dawn" is a dishwashing detergent advertised as a "grease-cutter." Noob growers like to try it (only once, usually :D) as a horticultural surfactant, presumably because they've seen other noobs suggest it.

I don't really have enough info to answer your question about the "booster spray." Please fill out the form... :p :rolleyes: :lol5:

That's cool, don't think I'll be using a lot of that spray in the future :D

[DreadedHermie]

Well, I collected some trich shots. Not so sure how to interpret the data, or even arrange it for display. But, here's one shot of each of the 5 buds I stuck out in the sun on their little float.

This is about 4 hours after I brought them in:

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[Weezard]

Good one!

R - KB4

Thanks!
I liked it.

Mele Kalikimaka brah.
What did Santa bring ya?

Da wife is airborn.
She's bringin' some chachkas for ya.
I'll e you her cell# when she reaches your wood neck.

And;
K - Q2

Aloha

W.

[DreadedHermie]

Here they are 3 days later. Sorry, no pic of bud #2 at this stage. :stoned: The pics are "in order," though, 1-5, left to right... Please note, these are probably not shots of the same area of each bud. Pretty hard finding yer way around at 100X.
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[Weezard]

"Nice tan." - Zonker.
Top hole! - me

Weeze.

[DreadedHermie]

And, at 5 weeks after sun exposure. The sun buds have an earthier taste, possibly more "bitter" than the indoor control buds. (Pics of them coming sometime...) Goddess prefers the smoother smoke of the indoor only buds, as do I (I think). Sun exposure seemed to create a flavor a bit like un-flushed nutes. Hard to evaluate though, as one hit kinda skews yer perception for awhile. I'm sure you unnerstand...:stoned:

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[DreadedHermie]

What did Santa bring ya?

A day of peace...:D

Cut myself some slack on the dietary restrictions. :eat:

And had some Pinot Noir. And half a "beer," if Coors Light counts (don't think it does.)

Goin' pretty wild, I guess...:dance:

I'll watch for da e....

[DreadedHermie]

N - QR5

[Weezard]

R - QN1

[DreadedHermie]

R - QN4

[Weezard]

My carpenter/friend came over on Christmas day to do some painting, etc.
It was a good morning.
He had to leave after lunch time and it was wonderful to have the solitude
for a few hours.
My coffee farm friends invited me for dinner that afternoon but my legs are still to raw for pants so I had to decline.
Log toed dinner time, I realized that I had spaced on dinner.
Was lookin' like the dogs and I were havin' fruit loops for christmas dinner.;)
But, lo, there was a sudden barkening at da door.

Silenced the wee beasties and threw wide the door .
There stood my smiling neighbor with a heaping plate of ham n rice n greenbean casserole. Still hot with love drippin' from it.:)

They knew da wife "go mainland side" fo' da holidays.
An' I no can.
(Some silly rule about ya gotta wear pants on a plane.)
He say. "We had extra plate. thought you might like".

That's why I live Hawaii.
Dis Island still have aloha.
I gonna bake cookies today and send dat plate back wit' love.
But I gush, sorry.

Back on topic.

P - QN3

I think I see what you are up to here.
All I can say is good luck with that.:D

Aloha.
Weezard

[DreadedHermie]

P - QR4

I would KILL for a taste of ham...

Skip the sides.

Just gimme that smokey, salty, brown-sugar-and-clove-y goodness.

I think you are employing some cruel psycho-gastronomical tactic here...

I'm getting dizzy...:D

[Weezard]

P - QR4 ?

I would KILL for a taste of ham...

Skip the sides.

Just gimme that smokey, salty, brown-sugar-and-clove-y goodness.

I think you are employing some cruel psycho-gastronomical tactic here...

I'm getting dizzy...:D

So it would seem.
"You are standing into danger."

Bad move.
Naughty even.
You don't really want to sacrifice that Knight does ya?

Wee. (peeg biter) Zard

[DreadedHermie]

Oops.

Thought you said QN4. Then my move was pretty slick.

Tol' ya I was gettin' dizzy. :D

How about N - QB4 instead?

You know how many punchlines are hiding in dat "carpenter for xmas" setup, yah?

[Weezard]

Oops.

Thought you said QN4. Then my move was pretty slick.

Tol' ya I was gettin' dizzy. :D

How about N - QB4 instead?

You know how many punchlines are hiding in dat "carpenter for xmas" setup, yah?

Yah, an' I appreciate your restraint.;)

Dat move?
Mo' betta

P - KR4
Gettin' kinda tight, gotta open 'er up some.

W.

[DreadedHermie]

P - QR4

I saw 3 wise men and a virgin...

Well, actually it was a jazz trio with a young vocalist...

I used up all my restraint resisting a porker's salty loins...:stoned:

[Weezard]

P - QR4 as well!

And assuming

R - QN4

I would then move
P - KR5

Und sie?

W.

[DreadedHermie]

Mus' spread some rep before...

e'd ya back.

My rook hadda hide at QN5, was on QN4 already

Guess I'll move R - KN1

My attack didn't go so well. Fun to try it, though. :D

[Weezard]

Mus' spread some rep before...

e'd ya back.

My rook hadda hide at QN5, was on QN4 already

Quite right.

Guess I'll move R - KN1

My attack didn't go so well. Fun to try it, though. :D

In that case. P - KR6
Now, you have a problem that will tie up your strongest rook.
And take pressure off the center of the board.

That rook covered 9 squares, now just 5, or 6 if you count the protected pawn.
Your other rook is severely limited.
Your Knight covers 3 squares and your bishop, 5.

It was a decent attack.
Just needed a little more pre-launch set-up.
It's a good stratagy to plan your attacks for possible failure.
That is, plan it so failure will leave you in a better position than ya started with.
Sometimes, what appears to be an attack, is actually sneaky positioning for the real attack, ya?.

Now, we dance.

Aloha,
Itty scaled critter.

[DreadedHermie]

Now, we dance.

Well, I'm okay if you lead...:D

N - K3

[Weezard]

How's this for a lead?
N - KB6
Leaning on yer Rook.
gettin' hairy up in da king side.:)

Aloha,
Weeze

[DreadedHermie]

R - KR1 :D

Hey, I just found another jar of plant 3-13: the buds. What I was scopin' out before for brown trichs via 100% LED was just the popcorn, and these plants were underlit (Procyon & 6+2 only, covering 10sq.ft.). Of course, they were in 12/12 for 93 days :(, but this strain took that long under HPS, too.

Peep these buds, and tell me LED doesn't tan 'em nice. :thumbsup:To be fair, there is absolutely no way these trichs were this amber when I harvested the plant. 20-30% amber's fine by me, especially under leds (which don't really get a living plant much browner, seems like). So the tanning/maturation/ WTF-ever musta continued during the curing process. [attachment=o234240][attachment=o234241][attachment=o234242][attachment=o234243][attachment=o234244]

[Weezard]

Oh snap!
What serendipity.


"Hooseee?!
You got a lot a 'splainin to do."

Was heard here just moments ago"

Woke up to the smell of cadaverine dis mornin'.
Lucy Light found a wet, dead, festering, rat and brought it in to share with the pack.
As I retched and gagged in appreciation, she did her, I'm a good puppy dance.
The joy! The joy! of pappahood.

Feh!
Weeze

P. S. N - K4.

[DreadedHermie]

Oh snap!
What serendipity.

Quite so! Met a noted authority on a serendipitous topic today. :abduct::abduct:

P - QB4

[Weezard]

N - Q6 Check!

[attachment=o234387]

Aloha,
Havna gutyme Vishnu Voorheer

[DreadedHermie]

Havna gutyme Vishnu Voorheer

I don't recognize this as Dutch or Sanskrit, or "Hooked on Phonics for Stoners."

Hope it's not critical to my next move...

K - Q2

[Weezard]

I don't recognize this as Dutch or Sanskrit, or "Hooked on Phonics for Stoners."


You might be over-thinking it.

Having a good time, wish you were here.

Hope it's not critical to my next move...

K - Q2

If it was, it didn't help much.:D

If you move to Q2, kiss that bishop goodbye.
As in, N x B
If it's a clever sacrifice checkmate, I can't see it.:stoned:
Re-think?

Aloha W.

[DreadedHermie]

Hey, I know of a change in plans so ya don't hafta explain that. Sorry to hear that news.

Sorry about the move, too... s/b QB2.

Rare for me to be home to enjoy NYE with my fambly instead of attempting to stay sober and dealing with the ethanol-impaired masses. So I will be savoring just hanging out here at home. :thumbsup:

[Weezard]

Hey, I know of a change in plans so ya don't hafta explain that. Sorry to hear that news.

Thanks, brah.
The wife is doing the right thing.
Her sister needs a sister.
If she gets stuck there for a while...
Well, if everything happens for a reason, now she knows why she's on unemployment.;)


Sorry about the move, too... s/b QB2.

Dat's mo' betta.
N x NP check.

Rare for me to be home to enjoy NYE with my fambly instead of attempting to stay sober and dealing with the ethanol-impaired masses. So I will be savoring just hanging out here at home. :thumbsup:

Got some homebrewed mead spiked with an ethanol ticture of decarboxylated resin.
But, I'll save that for New Year's Day,
Tonight, on the Islands, we have fireworks, lot's of them!
Hawaii residents can puchase a license for $25 that allows them to buy and use the GOOD stuff!:cool:
Skyrockets, mortars, monster fountains!

I stay sober on the full, blue, moon and keep my water hoses handy.
But come midnight.
I dance in the street like a 10 year old.:giggity::woohoo::yippee:
"obligatory pinhole burns down the front of my favorite shirt".
Dangerous, but exhilerating.

Aloha, an' HNY!

Weezard

[DreadedHermie]

N x NP check

??? (NP?)

[Weezard]

Drat!
Looking back, that pawn is on your Kn3.
Nevermind.

I was tempted then to trade for your bishop.
He's your strongest piece at the moment.
Then remembered that I was demonstrating/playing-with, a "Knight's dance"
Get both sides to stable positions, then send in a knight to lay waste.:D
So, getting on with it.

N - KB7
Annoying your rook.


The continueation is not obvious, nor carved in stone, but, it looks like R -R2 is the safest move.
(When I examine the other choices, they all lose the rook in the next 3 moves.)
So, assuming;
R - R2,
I'd have to say N - K5, threatening your pawn.
Your rook can not cover the pawn from R2, so you'd have to move N - KB5.

'cept, if you do, I'll move P - KN3 to force his hand.

You will then see what looks like a brilliant move;
N - R 4!? interposing himself to block the protecting rook.


Then I parry, with N - KN4 to protect the pawn. and...

Or, not.
Howzit look to you?


This could all be rubbish, I did imbibe 4 beers, (That's 2 over my limit), then scarfed 5 magic cookies tonight.
Sobered me up!
I feel quite lucid, actually.

Oh, well, I'll jus' stuff dis pretty new pipe what my dollink gave me.:jointsmile:

HNY!

The fireworks were impressive this year.
Lotsa very illegal stuff.:clap:

Not even woozy, Weeze

[DreadedHermie]

And a happy one to you and yours, as well. :hippy:

Moving along, I'd continue with N x P, threatening your rook (for a change). :D

I'm dismayed by how much better I play in absentia. :(

[Weezard]

OK, well done!

R - R3
Move it or lose it.:)

I'm amazed that I can play at all with 4 beers, 3 pipes, and 5 cookies.
Woke to da burping o da churds.:thumbsup:
Hopped out of bed, clear headed, (or so it seems.)

Prolly jus' "over da line", but I feel sharp and focussed.
Still, that's quite subjective.

I'll go get the breathalyzer fron da car and see if it thinks I'm drunk.
Nope! 0.0!

Think I'll attempt the NYT crosswords and see if I can beat my best time.
Sounds objective enough.

All that action and I only lost a pawn? Dang!:cool:
Nice dance.
Now you lead.:rastasmoke:

Aloha,
It's 2010, do you know where your head is at?:D

Weeze

[DreadedHermie]

It's 2010, do you know where your head is at?


Apparently not; I thought I moved already. :rastasmoke:

N - KB4

[Weezard]

Apparently not; I thought I moved already. :rastasmoke:

N - KB4

Well, ya have now.:rastasmoke:

R - KR1
A short break from "horsin' aroun'".


Hear the crickets?

Startin' to look like me, you, an' OM are the only adults that don't log in from work or school.:D

'sgood to be retired.:jointsmile:
Weeze

[oldmac]

Hear the crickets?

Startin' to look like me, you, an' OM are the only adults that don't log in from work or school.:D

'sgood to be retired.:jointsmile:
Weeze

Happy New Year Weez and DH!

'sgood to be retired? Shit, it's just good to be alive at my age!:thumbsup:

Think you could add DP and IR to your short list.:D

[Weezard]

Happy New Year Weez and DH!

'sgood to be retired? Shit, it's just good to be alive at my age!:thumbsup:

Think you could add DP and IR to your short list.:D

Aloha OM

Happy New Year Brah.
Yup! An' Da Rockin' Horse.
Though he's not retired yet, just under-employed.
Yo' HMR! Where you be at?

Had the oddest N.Y.E. ever.
Downed 2 lagers in a half hour,
That normally gets my car keys'
(So, I'm a lightweight lush, so sue me, I'm also a cheap date:D)
This time, nada!:(

Hmmm, packed da pipe with "mornin' weed.
(That should have had me babbling out 40 year old memories.)
Zip!
:wtf:
Long to'ed evenin',
I said,
pups is fed, I'm paid ahead,
of gettin' high, I am no sked
guess it's time to feed my head.

Ate 5 magic cookies!:thumbsup:

2 hours later, still waitin'.

Tired of waiting, broke out da hash.
Li'l dab'll do ya, so I shaved up a big dab!
Nice buzz, kinda.
Not really feeling it:confused:
:wtf:
Been 4 hours and I'm not planning on driving, so, 2 more beers.
A bowl of WW, a bowl of G13/BB, and I'm still feelin' Sunday sober.:wtf:
<sigh>
Went to da vault, and unshackled the HI Homie III.
The-one hit thunderfuck edition!
Rolled an' smoked a fattie.:jointsmile:
So, why can I still walk, and think straight?:wtf::wtf:

Hmm, perhaps I can't.
Could jus' be beer goggles.
Went next door to watch my neighbors fireworks display through the eyes of his 3 year old. (Bes' way!)

He offered me a beer.
No wanna be rude so, 5 beers.


Still feeling no effect.:wtf:
OK, I say. "Mus' be me."
An' old Fugs tune rattling in my head "Couldn't get high".

Logged in and found a new move here and said,
OK, now V shell C!

The next 4 moves were so obvious and easy that I figured I must be very drunk, and am actually hosing this game.

Not so, even made a pawn sacrifice with a 4 move payback!

Ok, that proves naught.
Grabbed a NYT crossword puzzle for an objective function test.

Was even easier than usual. :wtf:

3:00 a.m not the least bit tired.
Had to will myself to sleep 'cause I was still havin' fun and still clear headed.
Woke around 8 feelin' great.
Uncharacteristic.
I don't usually "do" mornings.
Felt sharp and lucid!
Grabbed the paper and did da crosswords.
They were laughably easy.

Not complaining, mind you.
Except for not feeling stoned, it's a state of mind that I'd like to encourage.

The only thing I did differently New Years Eve was to try 13g. of Salvia hispanica, (Chia), seeds in the morning.
My Holistic friend gave me a large bag and said it's supposed to aleviate, <sic>, inflammation.
Though it makes no such claim on the bag.

Actually all the bag says is it's "The worlds healthiest whole food".
I'm about to try another scoop today.
Can't possibly be that good for you, don't taste bad enough.
I'll keep ya posted.

Wondering Wee Zard

[DreadedHermie]

Well, I'da bought a sacka that feed to try meself but it's not that easy to find around here. Lotsa Omega 3's, etc. Looks like it's fittin' to get pop-marketed though, like acai was couple years ago, so then maybe it'll be more widely available here(?) It's like, what, $25/lb or so?

Beer goggles, huh? If I ever feel that good I'm just having a manic swing. :D

Ima go P - QN4

Hey, Mac! Happy New Year!

[Weezard]

You looked it up, yah?
No can find?
No bodder.
I'll test it for ya.
Got mine fo' free.:)


Just scarfed a nudder scoop.
In a half cup hot water.
Added milk and sugar.
Tastes kinda like a mixture of Instant Ralston and Farina.

That was 2 hours ago and I feel "sober" again.
:wtf:'s in dis stuff?


Might just be my personal chemistry, it is quite odd.
Hmmm, this could be very handy.
Some folks don't like the "side effects" of our meds.
Dem folks ain't me. :jointsmile:

But, still, there are occasions...
Can't wait to get invited to a game of stoner poker.;)


N - KB6
That gives you two problems.
One immediate, one festering.

Either way, I'm looking to steal a rook.:)

Dance li'l horsie, dance.

Weeze

[DreadedHermie]

R - KR1

[Weezard]

Then you'll be expecting;
P - KR7

A.
W.

[DreadedHermie]

P x P

[Weezard]

R - QR1!
What fun!
Said
Da widowed mother's son.;)

Thanks a ton.

Weeze

[DreadedHermie]

My computer is failing. Thassallright, I gotta get a Mac to run some stuff that's only for Mac, anyway. I guess I'll just gotta get it set up to run both platforms. But this one's hard to keep running. I still have Word 97 on it. :hippy:

B - QB3

If I suddenly quit posting, it died...

[mainegrown]

so weeze and DH how do i go about calling winner?? :D
if it hadnt been called i would love the honor (btw im underemployed with time to kill)
sorry if i missed whoever called next game in the 48 previous pages lol
-MG

[Weezard]

so weeze and DH how do i go about calling winner?? :D
if it hadnt been called i would love the honor (btw im underemployed with time to kill)
sorry if i missed whoever called next game in the 48 previous pages lol
-MG

I think you just did!
Welcome!

Weeze.

[Weezard]

My computer is failing. Thassallright, I gotta get a Mac to run some stuff that's only for Mac, anyway. I guess I'll just gotta get it set up to run both platforms. But this one's hard to keep running. I still have Word 97 on it. :hippy:

B - QB3

If I suddenly quit posting, it died...

N - K4

Is it an Old Mac?

W ;-}

[Weezard]

If it's that old, Wurd97, then a rigorous internal dusting and a CMOS battery replacement are in order, yah?
The coin cells only last 3 to 5 years.
Time to replace da cpu fan as well.
Symptoms?:detective1:

Wee

[mainegrown]

yea i gott a old mac aka 'maclamp'...
worst idea a great company ever came up wid..
thing is slower than pouring that cold molasses into the watering can!!
but i gotta give em it always starts and rarely stops when i dont tell it to.. it just takes forever to get where i tell it to go :wtf:
but at a hundo how can one complain??
-MG

[DreadedHermie]

If it's that old, Wurd97, then a rigorous internal dusting and a CMOS battery replacement are in order, yah?
The coin cells only last 3 to 5 years.
Time to replace da cpu fan as well.
Symptoms?



Already cleaned. I've always run it with the side panel removed from the case for ventilation, too.

I see that coin cell in there, looks like it may be soldered in place, but that won't stop me... :pimp: What does that battery do besides keep an internal clock going? If I replace it, what'll I have to reset besides the time...what valuable might be lost is the real question, I guess. (I can hot-swap it if that's necessary.)

When I looked at CPU coolers as a possible LED platform it became clear there's a new generation (or three) of stuff out there. Nothing readily available to replace this part with, that I saw around. And the local parts-hoarder repair guy's closed his shop. But I'll be able to hear the blissful silence if that fan croaks, so not an immediate worry.

Symptoms...Well, about a month ago I started getting a "cannot find login.exe" dialog box when it starts up (I guess that's a monolog box :D), but I can just push through that and it runs okay. Freezes up a tad more frequently than usual, but still workable. Trying to keep multiple apps open is a bitch, though--runs slow and glitchy.

Within the last 3 days or so, though, it's been shuting itself off, suddenly, and restarting. When it comes back it's got a "Your system has recovered from a serious error" with some available codes, looks like short hexadecimal strings. Can probably save the message somehow...

Also see the "blue screen of death" flash on-and-off too quickly to read as the thing's crashing. Doesn't look good, though.

Happens generally after it's been running a few hours, maybe thermal's a factor(?) Cooler ambient operating conditions lately, though, thanks to the nippy weather.

I remember upgrading the RAM years ago, from half to a gig (total), and this motherboard won't take any more, seems like the shop that sold me the memory thought I was silly to 'waste' it in this machine back then.

But getting a Mac's (laptop) gonna be inevitable, just cause of the program I need to run. It's not like I've ever been nuts for the PC platform...but I've never used a Mac. But how bad can it be, comparitively?

You gotta pick between the (newer) Macbook or the (older release) Macbook Pro?

[DreadedHermie]

K - QN3

[mainegrown]

my :twocents: the older pro will last you longer.. they were made of better materials if i remember correctly... and I dont trust new shit...
-MG

[Weezard]

K - QN3

<Sigh>
R - QR3
Aloha,
Wee

[Weezard]

Already cleaned. I've always run it with the side panel removed from the case for ventilation, too.

Not as good an idea as one might think.
If a "sheen is designed right, it "breathes" Mo' betta with the panel in places.

I see that coin cell in there, looks like it may be soldered in place, but that won't stop me... :pimp: What does that battery do besides keep an internal clock going? If I replace it, what'll I have to reset besides the time...what valuable might be lost is the real question, I guess. (I can hot-swap it if that's necessary.)

Zachary!
Replace the cell with the power on.
Though there is usually a backup capacitor that gives you >15 minutes to change the cell.
And it's the holder that's soldered in.
The coin cells lift and slide out of it.
(The only ones soldered in were the rechargeables and the mega-caps.)
But, they're kinda rare.

Not that big a deal really.
Besides the clock, the Battery holds the CMOS setup info.
Worst case?
It resets to the defaults and you have to reset the clock and the drive geometry. BFD.
Even then, they default to "query the drive".

When I looked at CPU coolers as a possible LED platform it became clear there's a new generation (or three) of stuff out there. Nothing readily available to replace this part with, that I saw around. And the local parts-hoarder repair guy's closed his shop. But I'll be able to hear the blissful silence if that fan croaks, so not an immediate worry.

Actually, it's more often the Video card cooling fan that gets "gummy" first
(Pot smoke is gummy stuff.)
Slows down enough to let the card overheat and crash the system.

Symptoms...Well, about a month ago I started getting a "cannot find login.exe" dialog box when it starts up (I guess that's a monolog box :D),
That's prolly network login.
but I can just push through that and it runs okay. Freezes up a tad more frequently than usual, but still workable. Trying to keep multiple apps open is a bitch, though--runs slow and glitchy.

Within the last 3 days or so, though, it's been shuting itself off, suddenly, and restarting. When it comes back it's got a "Your system has recovered from a serious error" with some available codes, looks like short hexadecimal strings. Can probably save the message somehow...

Also see the "blue screen of death" flash on-and-off too quickly to read as the thing's crashing. Doesn't look good, though.

Happens generally after it's been running a few hours, maybe thermal's a factor(?) Cooler ambient operating conditions lately, though, thanks to the nippy weather.

From your symptoms, I'd suspect the hard drive is having senior moments.
Let's find out.
Goto <Start>, <Run> and type "Command" or "CMD"
in the box.
That will get you a DOS command prompt (The dark place).:cool:
At the prompt, type in "CHKDSK C: /F"
It will whine about files being in use and ask if it can run on the next startup.
Type "Yes" and hit return.
Type "Exit" to leave the Dos window and then re-boot.
This will perform a thorough test and repair of C: at the next boot.

I remember upgrading the RAM years ago, from half to a gig (total), and this motherboard won't take any more, seems like the shop that sold me the memory thought I was silly to 'waste' it in this machine back then.

But getting a Mac's (laptop) gonna be inevitable, just cause of the program I need to run. It's not like I've ever been nuts for the PC platform...but I've never used a Mac. But how bad can it be, comparitively?

I think you'll be pleased.
I made a good living trouble-shooting PCs.
Why? 'cause they have more trouble to shoot.:D

You gotta pick between the (newer) Macbook or the (older release) Macbook Pro?

Ah dunno!
Never owned one.

Though I did have one of the prototype Lisa cases that my buddy dug out of Apple's dumpster.
I stuck a Green/black crt in it and hooked it to a homebuilt Xerox 820 16 bit CP/M motherboard.
Built that into an ornate wooden case cobbled from an antique radio that also held 2. 8" floppy drives.
Looked like a fat Mac sitting on a baroque chest of drawers.:cool:

But, I digress.

Aloha.

Da Zard

[DreadedHermie]

K - QN4

[Weezard]

N - KN5

[DreadedHermie]

B - Q4

I checked the C drive as you suggested. It verified files, indexes, and security descriptors then the "usn journal." (My computer's full of seamen :eek:)But how do you slow down the scrolling info? I was able to pick out the words "allocation" and "free bits/bytes" but it was gone in a flash.

Then this slow-ass thing just fired up like usual. The one time it actually runs fast...:mad:

No fan on the video card. Seems like I had a glitchiness that somebody said, "Ahh, yer video card's prolly goin' out," like a year ago, but now I can't remember what that problem was...The heatsink on the video processor is warm, but not screamin' hot. It's definitely not catching much air movement, whether the case is assembled or not. I should probably put a loose fan in there.

[Weezard]

P - KB4

[Weezard]

B - Q4

I checked the C drive as you suggested. It verified files, indexes, and security descriptors then the "usn journal." (My computer's full of seamen :eek:)But how do you slow down the scrolling info? I was able to pick out the words "allocation" and "free bits/bytes" but it was gone in a flash.

Then this slow-ass thing just fired up like usual. The one time it actually runs fast...:mad:

And did it still not find Login.exe?

If so, then it's time to replace damaged system files.
There's a little known gem called SFC (System File Check)
that will examine and replace damaged system files like login,exe.
You'll need a location to get the files from.
I usually copy the install CD to a directory I call Everet Ting.
before installing windows.
The install is faster, and it remembers that directory instead of asking for the original CD should you want to add or subtract windows modules/services.

No fan on the video card. Seems like I had a glitchiness that somebody said, "Ahh, yer video card's prolly goin' out," like a year ago, but now I can't remember what that problem was...The heatsink on the video processor is warm, but not screamin' hot. It's definitely not catching much air movement, whether the case is assembled or not. I should probably put a loose fan in there.

It couldn't hurt.:D

[DreadedHermie]

N - KN2

[Weezard]

Blank!

[Weezard]

B - KB3
A cleric stand-off!

[DreadedHermie]

And did it still not find Login.exe?

Well, it stopped and gave me that error message box, as is usual (now). (All you do is click "OK" and you proceed as normal, no big deal.)

I'm pretty sure I've got the original discs for Windows. They hadda lotta service paks and such patched on over the years, though. I actually have XP on this though. Musta been like a early Beta version. :D

[Weezard]

Rather than lead you astray, I'm turnin' in and trundling off to bed now.
To sleep, perchance, to dream.

I give mo' betta instruction dat way.

Gotta put on pants tomorrow and Sally Forth to buy burger for da wee beasties.
Ouch!
Meanwhile.
Jus' fill out da form and we'll jump all over it on the 'morrow.:D

G'nightall

Wee

[DreadedHermie]

B - K3

[Weezard]

R - KR4

[DreadedHermie]

P x P

[Weezard]

P X P

[DreadedHermie]

B x P

[Weezard]

R - QR1

[Weezard]

Geeze! ya cut my Q-side open like a tin o Tuna.
Good work!

Weeze

[DreadedHermie]

still thinking...

[DreadedHermie]

R - QR5

[Weezard]

R X R