JOURNAL OF A MADMAN

[TheGreenFog]

Hello, Cannabis.com! I am happy to say that I have finally registered after months of reading all of your wonderful, insightful posts! I look forward to speaking with "youse" and sharing the herbal bond that brings us together!

SO let's begin...

ONCE UPON A TIME...I walked out my door to get the mail, and LO & BEHOLD, I stumble across a notebook with a CD in it. On the front of the notebook are the words: "Please post me on Cannabis.com." :confused:

Now, being the kind-hearted and gentle person that I am, and due to the fact that I also smoke cannabis recreationally and medicinally, I decided, "WHY NOT?!" :D (see picture at bottom)

BE CLEAR: This is not my grow. As it states in my signature line, I do not grow cannabis. If i did, it would be done in a legal manner and at a legal location. That being said, I will be typing this thread in the first person just to avoid having to repeatedly type he/she and confuse people. I have also read this mysterious journal front to back several times, so I have an intimate knowledge of how the grow went. At times, I might pose some hypothetical questions on how one would approach some growing issues so we can keep the dialogue open. I will also speak in the present tense as if this grow was currently happening. Please enjoy. :thumbsup:


Let's have some forum fun! lol


EDIT: :mad: I'm very grumbly right now due to the fact that I made a copy of the CD and brought it with me to start posting pics...and the friggin' CD doesn't work. It is "not readable by this computer!" Anyway, I'm going to be trying to get some of them emailed to me so I can post them today. Please bear with me. Until then, feel free to ask me any questions that can be answered without pics for the moment (i.e. size of space, # of plants, methodology, etc). THANKS!

Wish I could smoke a bowl right now. (grumble grumble) :rasta:

love you guys

TGF

[TheGreenFog]

OK, OK, I know you are all as dissapointed as I am that I haven't posted any pics with the start of the new journal (except for the "journal" pic...lol), and no one has asked any questions yet, so I'll start out by giving some of the background info to spice things up...

"So, I've always wanted to grow a plant, and recently, a friend of mine, colleague and smoking buddy, suggested that we set up a grow room. I said, well, the only thing that's stopping me is that I can't do it where I live. Blah blah...so we end up setting one up at his place.

I started the seeds at my place on a inside a window just so that we could get things started. They looked similar to most peoples "week-old seedlings" but they were a bit stretched and starting to curl in various which-ways due to the lack of lighting, cuz I was too scared to open the blinds on the window in front of which they were sitting.

SO, after deciding that we didnt need a full extra bedroom to just a personal stash, we ended up picking a closet to create our own little "Garden of Eden."

Closet Dimensions:

HEIGHT = 8 ft
WIDTH = 6 ft
DEPTH = 23 inches (approx 2 ft)

After watching The Green Man's "I Grow Chronic" and a few other videos, plus reading countless threads and information, we decided to split the closet into respective VEG/FLOWER sections. We almost devided the space completely in half, then realized that we wanted a bigger flower room than veg room so we divided the space into 1/3 and 2/3. We also built a raised platform for the plants to sit on with an 18" space underneath for resevoirs and equipment."

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:cool:

[bud breath420]

whers them pics man?

[TheGreenFog]

Hey, Budbreath, how are you today? Ok well, even though I brought the wrong disk with me with the pics on it, I got someone to e-mail me some of them at least to get this thing started. So here is the closet before and during construction. Let me know what you think. :D

TGF

[TheGreenFog]

Hey, babystarbud, I know you said dont post a newbie pic of "this is my week-old seedling," but I had to do it. It's part of the comprehensive account of "my" grow. :D

So without further ado...

"
Here are my seedlings at about 1 week from germinating.

(See picture at the bottom...I haven't figured out how to put pics exactly where I want them yet)

I had not realized how lucky I was to have such great luck with germination. I started with 15 bagseeds from a bag that was brown, compressed, but very potent. Couchlock, potent. It was so 'couch-lockey' that I couldn't smoke it at most times when I normally smoke cuz I was left pretty mellow and not wanting to do much.

So, I popped a couple seeds into a wet paper towel, slipped them into a semi-open zip-lock baggie (mainly cuz last time I tried this a long time ago, they dried out due to my forgetting to keep them wet...but it turns out that this helps them germ faster) and in a few days, I had nice taproots showing and even some growing into the fibers of the paper towel!

I then planted awkwardly planted them in some small rockwool cubes and set them in a humi-dome on the inside of my windowsil...with the blinds CLOSED! :eek: Do not do the previous. your seedlings will not get enough light and they will stretch and look like this...enjoy. :)

TGF

[Pass That Shit]

Just wanted to say Good Luck with your grow GreenFrog. I hope you have a good harvest. Stop by and say hello at my current grow. PEACE

[TheGreenFog]

I skipped the whole part where I let them grow their first few real sets of leaves and went right to the transplanting part. If you want to see any prior pictures, just ask and I'll hook it up in a couple days. For now, here ya are...

TGF

[bud breath420]

lookin good mate.. not to bad today.. hey i was thinking and listening to some music and maybe im just high.. but did this threads title come from an ozzy ozbourne album (diary of a madman) meh maybe just me.. oh well keep up the good work..

[Pass That Shit]

Looks very tropical :)

[TheGreenFog]

Yea, they look like little palm trees, dont they? Haha. Cool. I never noticed that.

[TheGreenFog]

JOURNAL OF A MADMAN

Page...6 or something...lol

"Dear journal,


Even though this grow is not at my place and my grow partner is good at keeping up with watering them, a timed irrigation system sounds like the perfect solution to my worries whilst I'm away. :thumbsup:..."

Pump in resevoir underneath left veg side shelf. I believe I'm still giving them just water at this point....with adjusted pH, of course!


I first rigged the water with just the tubes and tried to adjust the pressure with the little knobs on the 8-head splitter. It did not work. It is impossible. When you change the pressure of one, you change the pressure of them all. Drip heads are imperative. Open it up all the way and get a regulated drip head. I think mine is 1 GPH (gallon per hour) which is really plenty for what I'm doing.

Notice I put reflective material in the right side also. ;)


TGF

[Bodom Children Of]

Badass grow:thumbsup:

[TheGreenFog]

Thanks, Bodom.

Here is the lightproofing we r starting to work on...



TGF

[TheGreenFog]

Just in case you were wondering....

6 mil black plastic

spray on CRAFT BOND (spray glue)

Mylar for the inside....

HOME MADE PANDA Sheeting! :thumbsup:

Tack and tape the borders...velcro on the middle and top (will show pic ltr of that)

It works pretty will, I think. We haven't ever really kept the doors closed. It is in progress to being fully concealable... but its not there yet.

Damn, I need to start playing hard to get, huh? No one asks any questions if I give them all the info right up front. LOL.

ily

TGF

[mike024]

GreenFOG, You have a seriously nice setup goin there buddy keep up the good work. Its nice to see the enitre step by step process of the room build and all. Ive been seeing your posts on all the random threads on here, thanks for all the input. Please check out my grow at http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=83478 and let me know what you think. Any helpful tips or suggestions would be great. Thanks again

[Pass That Shit]

Sweet Setup :thumbsup:

My light proof (dark curtain) has velcro attached on the ends. I stapled the velcro to the door frame, and I stapled velcro around the curtain. Velcro door without a light leak. Works well for my room. This is what I came up with to give me easy access and a dark room. I'm checking out all the recent grows going on right now :thumbsup: People are saying that this site is lacking, but with all these new grows being documented on here, newbies can easily jump in :thumbsup:

[TheGreenFog]

Ok, guys. Here we go. TheGreenFog here. Time for some more photos! Plants have grown well since setting up the drip system with the 1 gph drippers. The plants are in the veg side of my grow closet, of which the walls are lined with mylar. Tell me what you think. Questions, comments, criticizm are welcome! :D

TGF

[TheGreenFog]

GreenFOG, You have a seriously nice setup goin there buddy keep up the good work. Its nice to see the enitre step by step process of the room build and all. Ive been seeing your posts on all the random threads on here, thanks for all the input. Please check out my grow at http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=83478 and let me know what you think. Any helpful tips or suggestions would be great. Thanks again

Thanks, Mike. I will be posting another thread in Growroom Setups later with more pictures on exactly how the closet compontents were built, etc! Your grow looks nice too. I posted a comment there.

Be cool.

TGF

[TheGreenFog]

They just keep growing. I can't help but take them out and take lovely centerfold shots of them. Some are growing better than others. Dunno really why except that it may be because they came from bagseed...:confused: In any case, they are still ok, I think.

There are 13 plants in all. We started with 15, but a certain someone watered the seedlings when they were very young with cold water out of a fridge water dispenser. :eek: I was surprised they didn't all die. Just two. Other than that, the other ones seem to be ok in the rockwool.


:rasta:

TGF

[TheGreenFog]

Still growing!! Starting to look like a forest. I'm so happy! We can't wait until they flower and we can smoke them...:D I know that's a long way away, but we've never done this before and its exciting!

Let me know what you think!

TGF

[mike024]

TheGreenFog thanks for the info on my thread man ur a big help and I have to say for someone that found a book and cd of a grow you are an exceptional help in all aspects of the grow. You mind checkin out my thread man I think ive got big problems in the Veg box. Keep up the good work here man and the pics are awesome I cant wait to graduate past a soil setup!!!

[TheGreenFog]

Well, guys and gals...I was gonna sit here and post a bunch of new pics, but just got a call and I gotta leave in a few minutes. Bummer :( I will, however post some...and hope that you guys leave me some comments, questions, advice, or whatever. I like hearing from you.

It's my first grow, so be gentle with me. :D

Be back in a little to post more...I have a feeling the plants will grow at least 8 more inches tonight! :thumbsup:


Be cool.

TGF


Edit...My pics are probably too large. Let me know. If so, I'll reduce them in size. They're taking FOREVER to download... Zzzzzz Well, at least I have a bowl of some icky whilst I wait! :D

Edit#2: (sigh)...Well, I waited like 15 minutes and never was able to upload the stinking pictures. I'm gonna try just doing ONE for now (as opposed to 4 or 5 at a time)...then I'm gonna have to come back and figure out what the hell is wrong and fix it. I'll be back. Grrrr. (time elapsing) Well its been another 5 or so minutes and I'm already late. Gotta try it later. Ciao



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[Pass That Shit]

GreenFog, they're looking good. They are vegging nicely. Those healthy leaves will hopefully bring you some nice buds :)

[TheGreenFog]

:cursing:Very frustrated right now. Can't upload the pictures. I finally have some time to post a bunch and I can't upload them? Any ideas why? Mods? Bob, Late, Zan?

Hi, by the way to u three. I've wanted to introduce myself. :D

TGF

[hijole]

that looks like a very nice setup, green fog! (insert jealousy here) i'll be following your thread, and i hope the pics start working for you again soon...

[TheGreenFog]

Here's some more.

By the way, this is one month from seed. Yes, I know, that's kinda slow, right? Are they too short for that age?? I let them germinate too long. They had taproots at least 1" to 2" before I even popped them into rockwool. That is too long, right? Aren't you supposed to pop 'em in right after they crack and you can see the white root starting to come out?

So then I didnt bury them deep enough because I was too scared I was going to damage that nice taproot (what a moron). So they were all stretchy and I left them by the dim light of the window with closed-shades. Dumb... So they have to catch up. But they are starting to look ok In my opinion. No burned leaves or anything. Some are bigger than others.


Pic #1: Experimenting with reducing humidity. Plan to reduce humidity during the flowering stage. The Damprid...doesnt work well.

Pic#2: That is PLANT #6. One of the runts. Look at the mangy weird leaf. Numbers 6 & 7 are runts. The others seem to be ok.

Pic#3: A peek into the veg area. :D :D

Pic#4: Look at the 2 little plants in the clay pots. They're hard to see. At the same time I planted theses seeds in the rockwool, I threw the rest of the germinated seeds into a random pot, with some old soil. Within a day or two they were up and reaching. I left them in soil, but inside with not much light. They stink. I tried to put them in here to see if they will catch up. I don't know how much time I'm really gonna waste on them tho.

So thats DAY 31 from seed.

Let me know what you think. :)


TGF

[TheGreenFog]

Pictures would help...:D

[TheGreenFog]

DAY 36 from seed. Well, we have a problem.

Them there cannabis plants are growing nicely. The two miscreants are still the same (pic #5), the clay potted ones I mean.The others are nice and growing into the side of the mylar, which is deforming them a little :(

What's worse is there are yellow spots!! :eek:


Edit: The 2 little claypot ones are the same age as the others but deprived of nutes and direct light. :(

[TheGreenFog]

DAY 36 from seed. More pics.

Pic#1: PLANT #4. Notice yellow spots.

Pic#2: PLANT #8. Running out of room...?

Pic#3: PLANT #6. One of the runts.

Pic#4: PLANT #13. Spots...deformed from pushing eachother.

Pic#5: PLANT #11. Deformed and yellow spots. :(

[TheGreenFog]

STILL DAY 36 from seed. I just like these pics.

13 plants. :) Lucky number thirteen. Should I name them? I saw some guy named his plants after the people in the forum. I thought that was cool. :)

Anyway, enjoy. No one is really posting on here anyway, so I feel like I'mn talking to myself most of the time. Except for those who have replied. lol Like hijole, pass that, mike and...I think that's it. Maybe I missed someone but I cant go back and look. Too lazy at the moment. :p

TGF

[invision]

they look good have you got your veg nutes going yet that could be why they are a little yellow they may need nitrogen (12-0-0)

[TheGreenFog]

Yea, I forget when exactly I started the nutes. I'll have to check my notes. But that's what it is, ...oh wait, I think I was dumb and sprayed some bubbley water on my plants to give them CO2...?! Ok, I know better now. It was that and I think I was giving them nutes at this time.



Here's some more pics:

I think it's like DAY 40 from seed. I have it labeled wrong in my files.

TGF

[TheGreenFog]

DAY 43 from seed:

Pic#1 & 2: PLANT #4. Lookin' good.

Pic#3 & 4: PLANT #3 Ditto.

Pic#5: PLANT #6 Still a runt.

[TheGreenFog]

Well, they are getting HUGE. We had to put 2 addtitional lights in because they are stretching. We are trying to slow that process down. :( We are using 24 watt "full spectrum" CFLs.

Comments, Advice?

TGF

[TheGreenFog]

Still DAY 43.

We have run out of room in our veg side. We are not using the larger flowering side yet so we have bought 3 24 watt "full spectrum" CFLs to light some of the ones we moved over. We moved over the two runts and two other scraggly/spindley looking ones.


TGF

[TheGreenFog]

DAY 45 from seed.

Plants taking very well to the new lighting and the expanded space. I'm gonna have to take more out of the left side soon! Wow. I love cannabis. The plant is so attractive. :D:D:D

:rasta: packing a bowl...taking my dog out to piss

TGF

[TheGreenFog]

DAY 48.

PLANT #11...Not doing so hot.

PLANT #3...Doing much better.

Curious.

[Pass That Shit]

I told you it was a tropical :D Bend them in half or something. You don't want to let them grow out of your house. :D

They look very healthy :thumbsup:

I'm starting to notice that people with those narrow pots have tall plants. :confused:

[hijole]

they are looking a bit stretched to me; how many nodes are you averaging now?...i can't remember whether you stated or not, but are you planning to train them? if so, you should start soon! it has really worked wonders for me. i have a pretty low light situation and training has really maximized the light i have, in terms of getting equal coverage. anyway, it looks like you are developing some good plants!!

[TheGreenFog]

Well, the original idea was:

Grow as many plants as we can...
Veg them until they are cloneable...
Clone, let the clones root...
Flower the clones immediately to sex the plants...
Remove male plants & runt females...
Then...oh crap...we didn't think this far...

Well, we did, we knew we were gonna be cloning from mothers, but we didnt know that we should've kept them more compact and branchy. Of course, that shows from the stretching.

Also, our space has severely become limited, because we didn't anticipate the plants being this big. Whoops. But I REFUSE to weed out any now, even the runts. I would mourn if I realized I had killed a female. Gasp!

So they are almost ready to clone!!!


TGF

[TheGreenFog]

Trying to catch up. Please...comments are welcome. I need feedback.

I didn't put the plant numbers either cuz I dont know which one it is or cuz it already has a number in the picture. :thumbsup:

[TheGreenFog]

Problems at the O.K. Corral....:(

[TheGreenFog]

I lost track of which day it is but its not too far off. They are labeled better coming up.

[TheGreenFog]

Mas

[TheGreenFog]

Ok, guys. Gotta go for now. When I get back, we are cloning, chopping, topping, pruning and all kinds of maddness. Keep checking back in. Post me some feedback on my feeble attempt at a first grow. Thanks. Ask me any questions about the temp, nutes, watering, blah blah...anything u wanna know.

Be cool. :thumbsup:

TGF

[TheGreenFog]

So I have 13 plants. They are all different sizes. I have a couple runts and some spindley-looking ones, and then I have some decent sized ones with decent inter-nodal growth.

They are almost all stretched due to the low lumes-per-foot I had in the inital veg room. Since adding the CFLs, the stretching has all but stopped.

I have experienced some nute burn on some of them, and I think some of the burn was even intensified by the CFLs in the right side being too close. This is my assumption, of course. I'd like to hear someone else's take on it...

*crickets chirping*

Well, OK, then. Onto the chopping. I have decided to only take one clone of each plant, hope it roots and then take those clones and flower them to find out what sex the corresponding plant is.

We have decided against building a separate box for the cloning...so we built ourselves a little shelf in the veg room to try it out.

Here are pictures of the cloning space.

Wish me luck.

TGF

[TheGreenFog]

I weilded an alcohol-cleansed razor blade. Used Olivia's Rooting Hormone GEL...and planted into rockwool cubies. Some of the plants are looking pretty bad and some of them just don't have any thing to clone, so I topped some of them. I topped them partly as an experiment to see how easy topping was and what the result would be...and mostly because the plant was a runt and it couldn't hurt. If I kill the plant, it wouldn't be the end of the world...or would it??



PIC #1 & #2: PLANT #2 - Topped. Twin #2

PIC #3 & #4: PLANT #1 - Topped. Twin #1


The twins were the two plants (#'s 1 & 2) we thought would do the best based on the look of their seedlings. They have already been outdone by #'s 3, 4, 13, 9...etc.


TGF

[TheGreenFog]

Be back in a little to post the rest. I know the plants aren't looking all that great now. Give me some feedback pls. Thanks.

TGF :thumbsup:

[Weed4Life]

Good grow. I would put those to flower soon, find out which are girls and try to clone her. Or whatever. Stay High m8.

[TheGreenFog]

Hey, W4L, thanks for stoppin' by. Yea, gonna be flowering soon, I hope. Gotta finish up the cloning process. Gonna clone one off each plant first, then flower that to see what sex the corresponding parent plant is, then will eliminate males, re-think my plan, etc. Thanks for the input. Yea I know, they are too big! CraP! :eek:


:D


TGF

[TheGreenFog]

The previous ones were topped, while these were just cloned off of a nice outshoot. :)

:rasta:

[ate]

Looking very nice.

[jamstigator]

I have seen far FAR worse first grows than this; all-in-all, I think you're doing very well!

Some questions: what light(s) are you going to flower with? HPS? What size? CFLs? You can flower with CFLs, but you won't get much yield that way. But HPS lights generate a fair amount of heat, and I didn't see a cooltube or any type of air-cooled reflector in there. Just gonna leave the doors open when the lights are on during flowering?

I wanted to do pretty much what you are doing. I have a closet I could use which is about the same size. But I couldn't think of any way to cool it properly without cutting holes in walls or the door or the ceiling for ventilation in/out, and the woman nixed the idea of me hacking on the structure of the house itself, so I had to go with the cabinet concept (which has worked out fine). Actually, I think I like cabinets better, so it's just as well that she nixed my closet plan.

Oh, on your pruning/topping, and taking cuttings for clones: when you make a cut, dab a little of your cloning gel on the exposed cut area, not just on the cutting but on the plant you cut from. I just tried that a couple of days ago when I did some topping and pruning, and it seemed to make a difference. I figured if it encourages roots to grow in cuttings, maybe it encourages new node growth on the 'mother' plant after a cut too, and it looks like that theory was valid. Worst case, it certainly didn't do any harm, but I think it actually helped.

[TheGreenFog]

Hey, Jam. Well, I'm gonna use 400wHPS for flowering. I'm probably going to flower my test clones under CFLs, but I'll get to that in a little. Thanks for the input. Yea, I know it isnt the worst grow, but it certainly leaves a lot to be desired the next time around.

As far as the closet, even I had a little resistance with the idea of hole cutting and punching, etc...but the cannabis will prevail. Mua ha ha ha But this isnt in my home anyway...know what I mean. :)

So, about the cloning gel. I was wondering about that because as I was cloning, I topped a plant before I took a picture of the whole plant...so after I dipped the top in the gel, I put it back up on the plant so I could take a picture. That got some of the gel on the plant where i had taken the cutting from. I didn't know what it would do, so I wiped it off. It will be interesting to see what it does on your plant. I would assume it just preserves that cut piece a little longer like water or something preserves the bottom of a rose stem. Let me know. I have seen lots of your posts around and look forward to chattin with ya on here. Keep checking back. I'm going to be putting more pics up everyday until I catch up. Then I have a ventilation question. THANKS

:rasta:

TGF

[TheGreenFog]

:(

Pic #1 & #2: PLANT #10

Pic #3 & #4 & #5: PLANT #12

Ok, well, I'm pretty sure this is nute burn... I think I know how to fix that. The new growth is ok, cuz I leech it and back down on the nutes when I see the burn.

But look at the friggin' MOLD on the rockwool! That is one thing that I still have not been able to fix. I have added H2O2 into the res and it helps with the algae in the res but it hasn't done anything to kill the mold on the rockwool. :confused:

The only other idea I would have would be to cut little squares out of black plastic and put them over the top of the rockwool to prevent the light from reaching them, thus killing them...? Does that sound right? Any ideas on the stupid mold?? :cursing:


:D

TGF

[Pass That Shit]

GreenFog, I think you're doing very well too. Your plants have looked very healthy. That is key.

I would try to get more light into the branches so the plant doesn't grow upward. Using a fan to blow it away before it hits the plants really helps to lower the light. I'm only directing the light to the top of one of my plants. Most of them are getting light to their sides.

I'm not gonna make holes for the inline fans I bought. There's enough cold air in my room :thumbsup:

[TheGreenFog]

My attempt at topping.

Pic # 1 & #2: PLANT 7 - runt...topped.

Pic # 3 & #4: PLANT 6 - runt...topped.


I topped them, because there were no cloneable branches...and cuz these plants piss me off.

These ones, and then the ones in the last post...#11 and #12, I think. They are the ones I moved to the right side to veg. I wanted to make more room on the left and I picked the "worse" ones. My cohort wanted to just get rid of them...but I cannot...I am like Buddhist when it comes to these plants. I cant seem to bring myself to destroy any. Even when we find our males, I want to plant them outdoors somewhere.

When cloning...I sliced my finger with the razorblade. I feel it was the plant saying, "see...its not so comfortable, is it, fucker!" lol. :)


TGF

[Pass That Shit]

GreenFog, I think if the surface is moist and the light is hitting it, you'll get green growth. Kind of like your lawn.

[TheGreenFog]

GreenFog, I think you're doing very well too. Your plants have looked very healthy. That is key.

I would try to get more light into the branches so the plant doesn't grow upward. Using a fan to blow it away before it hits the plants really helps to lower the light. I'm only directing the light to the top of one of my plants. Most of them are getting light to their sides.

I'm not gonna make holes for the inline fans I bought. There's enough cold air in my room :thumbsup:

Thanks, PassThat. I am trying to increase the light with the new CFLs we put in there. I am still learning tho, so the plants look stretched, overnuted..etc. But, hey, like you said, they look healthy otherwise, and that is key. I'm getting the hang of it.

As far as lowering the light. What I am using is the flouros. The tubes...are not hot...at all. They can be as close as I want. As for the CFLs, from what I've heard here about them being able to be so close and stuff...it has not been my experience. They have burned several of my leaves and I have to keep them at least 5-6 inches away or so. But they are nice and strong. I mean they are only like 24 watts but they are full spectrum (thats what it said on the packaging...each of the letters was a different color. lol) so they seem to do the trick.

Your inline fans...I would like to talk to you about them because that is what I'm getting for this space. Will hit you up about it later. Gonna post some more now. Lets see how these plants do after the massive pruning...!

As far as the mold. I'm gonna work on it.

Stay tuned!!

TGF

[TheGreenFog]

Here are the clones and tops I took. Wish them luck. I sprayed some seaweed extract on them...

TGF

[UnitedParcelSecrets]

To me, it looks like you haven't had enough light per square foot throughout the entire process ... but really, that seemed to be your only huge flaw. You made other mistakes but quickly nipped them in the bud, so to speak. You're really doing a great job though!!! :)

[TheGreenFog]

UPS, yea, we've figured out the light problem. I mean next time, we know not to scrimp there. I hope at least. LOL.

DAY 50 from seed (I think)...Two days after topping and cloning.

Look at the new growth. :D

TGF

[TheGreenFog]

Here are some more. Some of the leaves on the left side got burnt by the CFL...strange huh?

[TheGreenFog]

[b]DAY 53 from seed. Still vegging. Trying to maintain my vegging plants whilst I wait for my clones to root. The plants I cut (which were pretty much all of them) seem to be recovering very well. They have lots of new growth. Some of the fan leaves are burnt from the lights and possibly nutes, but the new growth looks good. I am trimming any leaves that look dead or unnecessary. I know some of them look kinda rough but I'm working on them. Keep praying for them. And pray they are ALL female. If they are, tho, I wont have enough room! Ahhh. :dance:

Let me know what you all think. :D

TGF

[TheGreenFog]

Still DAY 53

[TheGreenFog]

I cant show each and every plant. That would take too long. If you do want to see any particular plant at any particular stage, just ask. Thanks.

TGF

[TheGreenFog]

DAY 54 from seed. Some new growth. Boy these things grow fast. Especially upwards and stretchy when you dont have enough light, eh? LOL

TGF

[TheGreenFog]

Some more from DAY 54.

Got ourselves an AIRSTONE. :D Hope that helps.

TGF

[TheGreenFog]

Still DAY 60.

Taking all the plants out and taking nude shots of them. lol Gotta raise the lights. These suckers won't stop going up. I wonder if its the lack of light? wink, wink. :)

All tall beauties. Probably all frickin' male! :( Hope not.

PLANTS IN ORDER OF PICS

#5 ~~ #10 ~~ #13(i think) ~~ #13(for sure) ~~ #3



TGF

[TheGreenFog]

Still day 60.

Some random Pics.

Pic#1: Grown into the light. Deformed.

Pic#2 & 3: Topping works. Look at the 2 nodes coming up.

Pic#4: Our empty left side. We like to take the plants out. They're MooooveabLe. Lol

Pic #5: Lots of Foliage. I wish they were all the same size.

We take them out so we can evaluate them, remove any dead foliage from the bottom that doesnt get light, check the mold (which is STILL here but not bothering plants :confused: ), and place them into better light to try to catch some of the runts up.

[TheGreenFog]

DAY 60

Those leaves came from PLANT #8.

[TheGreenFog]

Well, I've posted lots of pics. Gonna take a breather (wink) for now. Let someone give me some feedback. Any comments, questions, advice is welcome.

I'm almost caught up to present time. I'm gonna have some questions about flowering, and ventilation soon. Please keep up with me. I need some help. Thanks. This site is great. :smokin:

TGF

[jamstigator]

I think your idea of cutting some squares of poly or mylar and putting them over the cubes to prevent mold is a good idea. But I think it's a good idea for future plants, not these. If you cover that green mold now, it might develop into something worse, so for this batch I'd just leave em alone and try the square idea for future plants. Or, try it on ONE of these plants (like the sickliest looking one), and wait a couple of weeks and see what happens before you try it on any others. You've come this far, so might as well keep going and not put your whole crop at risk.

Here's a pic or two of my cabinet, with three plants in it that got way too big due to me vegging too long (which was unavoidable, as I had to leave town for a week, and didn't want to flower until I returned). I show the pic not to convert you to the cabinet life (you seem happy with your closet) and certainly not because it's the best cabinet ever made (I'm sure it's not), but to show you how I did my ventilation, with the cooltube, passive intakes, and the carbon filter (which you can't see, it's on top of the cabinet hidden behind stuff). My light is also a 400w HPS. You are going to need to figure out your ventilation before too long, unless you just want to leave your door open and have a strangely glowing closet. ;)

[jamstigator]

Oh, one minor thing: I saw you had some electrical cables and such on the BOTTOM of your closet. I'm sure I'm more paranoid than most people about fires (since my home burned down last year), but...that seems a little scary, especially in conjunction with hydro. Electrical stuff on the bottom + gravity + hydro + pump problem or something = potential fire hazard. If my saying something about it helps prevent someone ELSE from watching their home burn down, well, I'd just feel guilty if I didn't say something. Doesn't hurt to be a little extra careful when it's your life at stake.

[greenmonster]

nice cupboard jam.... couple of questions: have u put ur intake and outake vents at the back facing the wall?? does it rattle and shake like a bastard? what temp to you top out at?
cheers man.
once again nice cupboard...
i am thinking of making a new flower cupboard and i like the look of yours.
how big is it? and finally how much can you yeild from it?
thanks dude.

[TheGreenFog]

Hey, Jam. Yea I've seen your cab. Very nice. I'm definitely looking to scrog sometime soon. As far as the cool tube...Let me show u mine in a few and you'll see what I'm doing. It is pretty similar to yours. BUT, my fan is not strong enough.

Regarding the electricity and the bright orange glowing closet...

No, we havent really been able to go full stealth mode yet. We have ventilation problem to work out. We will soon. Hopefully. I'll be caught up any time now then you can see what I'm working with at the "present time."

(I'm not really growing anything except tomates and peppers, tho)

:D ;)

The wires are on the right side. As of now. There is no real water or hydro system on that side, so no real danger. When I put my res for flowering under there, I will definintely move the wires. We will be installing extra dedicated circuit breakers to hold the load and to remove any wires from protruding from the closet.


So...

I think last time I left you, we had rooted clones...and were overflowing into the flower room. We need to sex quick!

Here, we are moving some of the BIG plants from the left side to the right and moving all the smaller plants to the left so we can maximize our light situation. :D:D

TGF

[TheGreenFog]

Cpl more pics. Gonna let the clones root a little more. A couple of them (mainly #8) are struggling.

Also in Pic #4, the very small weak looking one is the top from PLANT #8, the one that was sliced and dice and thrown away.

The one to the left of that is amazing. It came from PLANT #11. It is also a top. It is the one that was exploding with roots. It is the same age as the clones in the top cloning chamber, but at least twice as healthy.

[TheGreenFog]

DAY 64 from seed.

Came to check on the babies. Clones are doing Awesome. They have grown much in the last 4 days. Plants on left and right veg are also doing well. Obviously I dont have enough light still in my left side cuz it is causing major stretching to any plant I put in there, but that's all the light I have while I wait for my 400wHPS and while I wait for these clones to flower. They're just about ready!

[invision]

is that inside the bulb?

i wouldnt use it just doesnt look right

[jamstigator]

Intakes are two Doran 8"x8" darkroom louvres, one on the left side of the cab at the bottom, and one on the back of the cab at the bottom left. Outtake is at the top into a carbon filter. It doesn't rattle and shake at all, although the fan is certainly audible. Cab is 47"wide x 72"high x 20"deep. If I have the 400w light on and the eight 30-watt warm CFLs on too, temps top out around 10 degrees hotter than the room (which I keep at around 72 during the warmer months, and as low as 65 during the winter). If I just have the HPS on, or just the CFLs on, then the temps get to about 5 degrees hotter than the room. Yield is ~1 pound every 10-ish weeks.

And yeah, you're overflowing your closet there! Lol, but hey, better to have too many than too few! Any calyxes on the grown plants yet? You can tell sex without flowering, generally, if the plants are old enough, from the pre-flowers. Could be you'll be able to determine sex from some of the mature plants before the clones tell you.

Hope you have a bunch of nice healthy females! If there's a lottery, I'm going with 6 females. ;)

[TheGreenFog]

Intakes are two Doran 8"x8" darkroom louvres, one on the left side of the cab at the bottom, and one on the back of the cab at the bottom left. Outtake is at the top into a carbon filter. It doesn't rattle and shake at all, although the fan is certainly audible. Cab is 47"wide x 72"high x 20"deep. If I have the 400w light on and the eight 30-watt warm CFLs on too, temps top out around 10 degrees hotter than the room (which I keep at around 72 during the warmer months, and as low as 65 during the winter). If I just have the HPS on, or just the CFLs on, then the temps get to about 5 degrees hotter than the room. Yield is ~1 pound every 10-ish weeks.

And yeah, you're overflowing your closet there! Lol, but hey, better to have too many than too few! Any calyxes on the grown plants yet? You can tell sex without flowering, generally, if the plants are old enough, from the pre-flowers. Could be you'll be able to determine sex from some of the mature plants before the clones tell you.

Hope you have a bunch of nice healthy females! If there's a lottery, I'm going with 6 females. ;)

I've heard about pre-flowers, even seen some pictures, and yes I think I do have some...but I dont trust them enough to throw away a potentially female plant. I've heard that some apparently-male preflowers can turn into female plants. No worries.

If I get any more than 6 females, I'll have too many. :eek: I thought I'd never say that.

I was gonna look for my pics to post of what I "thought" were preflowers, but I'm too lazy right now and honestly my kids (real kids) need to be fed. :) What do you suggest? PB&J or left over chicken & rice. :)

I dont know what a darkroom louvre fan is. Maybe I'll have to google it. Unless you feel so kind as to explain...

Off to the kitchen. :dance:

TGF

[TheGreenFog]

is that inside the bulb?

i wouldnt use it just doesnt look right

I didnt see this post before Jam's. YEA thats INSIDE the bulb. I just started a thread on it. Ewww. Damn it. I dont know if I should use it...but I dont wanna wait for another one to come by mail or go get one....grrr. :(

[stinkyattic]

Hey there Fog,
I finally stopped by for a visit!
I love the overall setup. It is simple and cleanly done.
Plant health is on ht good end of what can be expected with your 2 main problems, which are limited light and not enough root space... those rockwool blocks, if I were you, would be peeled of their wrappers and sunk into a bed of hydroton,l in a tray with drainage of course. The plants look healthy overall but the slight droopiness can be a sign of being seriously rootbound.

[TheGreenFog]

Hey, Stinky. Glad you decided to stop by! :D Thanks for the kudos on my setup. I like it too. No perfect, but much better than the $3000 I almost spent on a prefab cab. Taking note of the rootboundedness...lol...will comply. Please keep checking back. I will need some advice and companionship in the weeks to come. :smokin:

Thanks.

TGF

[TheGreenFog]

Still DAY 64 from seed, I believe.

[TheGreenFog]

DAY 64

Installing the 400wHPS we got. Cool tube, baby! Mua ha ha ha

Light hanger...check!

Running wires through ceiling

Oh how the orange glows. I went ahead and used the bulb anyway...even with the goo in the bulb. Pray it doesn't explode on me. :eek:

[TheGreenFog]

Well, Bodom. I told you I'd get here. Hope you're still keeping up with my grow. Well, we have gotten to the point where our clones (sexing clones) are ready to flower to see which of our plants are male and female.

This is a great day in this humble grower's life. Since we have overflowed into our future flowering room, we have a need for somewhere to flower our clones for a couple weeks, just til we find out which ones are males and we can weed out some plants. Unfortunately, we just don't have room for them all.

SO, we brainstormed and decided against building a cab...and we came upon the conclusion, that since we only needed it for a couple weeks, we would try a shot at the rubbermaid growbox...Oh and after we installed our HPS, we have lots of CFLs left over. So here we go.

We installed 4 CFLs into the top part, cut a hole for a fan. Used that puny little fan that we started with, and put it in for exhaust. We bought another fan to replace that one in the veg closets. Mylar on the inside and....voila!

BCO growbox!

Thanks for the idea.

TGF

[TheGreenFog]

Bodom grow box. Clones in grow box. FLIPPING TO 12/12........now.

DAY 64 from seed...then cloned...rooted...vegged...flowertime. What what?

TGF

[Garden Knowm]

NICE.... thanks for the invite to his thread!!

: )

[ThePurpleMan]

beutifull plants

[jamstigator]

Here's a link to Doran darkroom louvres:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=43104&is=REG&addedTroughType=search

Basically they are baffled vents that allow air to pass through, but not light. Useful for intakes on flowering cabinets where you need to prevent light from leaking in. Not super cheap, but they don't break down or wear out or anything.

[KHAN]

Looking good bro

[TheGreenFog]

Sup, Knowm.

Purple Man, Thanks! :D

Hey, Jam, yea I'm defintely gonna have to check out them louvers. They look good. What kind of fan did you say you were using? I'll have to go back and check.

Kahn, hey, man thanks for the kudos. I just read thru your ICE thread....mmmm so tasty looking. Makes me wanna do ICE even more than I wanted to before!

Keep checkin back with me here. I'm a foto-whore so I'll have lots of pics and my grow is only gonna get prettier once I sex them and get those males outta there. :dance: Man, I need more room. Oh, how a grow can go buckwild. I dont want to throw away ANY of them...but alas, I must. :(

Be cool...like the wind.

TGF

[TheGreenFog]

Ok, first, I gotta fix my log. The last few picture posts were Day 67, not 64. Or somthing. OK.

DAY 69 from seed

Here's some wide shots of my grow closet.

Right side.

Left side.

Pano-

Bodom Box

Clones...yum

[Bodom Children Of]

How close are those CFLs?
need em within 3inches I'd say...:stoned:

Some suggestions....lol
Should have put outtake fan on top as hot air rises...:pimp:
Should have put CFLs on side of tub as more light comes from the side of the CFL not the top...:pimp:

I do like the mylar though:thumbsup:

[TheGreenFog]

Theoretically

Yea, we did do it kind of hastily. And with just the idea of yours, I didnt recheck exactly how you did it before I went ahead and started drilling holes. Also, we put the fan on the side/back so that it would be less inconspicuous...:confused: Stupid. But, it works. Lights should be closer...but we just made the plants adjustable. :D We will tweak the little cab more ltr. Hell, we could just buy another top part (7.8 Euro) and re-set the lights and fan, etc.

Anyway, thanks for stopping by, Bodom. Keep checking back. Will be flowering these clones in there to see which are which, and will then probably throw them away, UNLESS there are any worth keeping and finishing off.

TGF

[TheGreenFog]

Click to read about GOO. (http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=84629)

Hey, guys. Well, the bulb came together with a cooltube kit. Ballast, cooltube, reflector, and bulb. I know it looks horrible {with the goo inside the bulb}. I was worried about burning it too. BUT, being that our timeline is rather crammed and we were waiting a long time for the light, AND that it IS in a Cooltube (enclosed), we decided to take the risk of having it explode (crap it sounds horrible when I actually type it out). Fortunately, it's been several weeks and it has not exploded.

I will be recommending to the cohort to replace it at once. And, yea, I guess the bulb isnt that expensive to change.

You think that is weird. You should see the weird goo that leaked out of the light when I turned it on!!!! ... LOL

No but seriously, it's not funny. I recommend that anyone who reads this does NOT do what we did and use the bulb in that condition. For safety's sake, you should replace it and be on the safe side. Funny, this is the ONLY instance where we didn't take the UTMOST precaution. (I dunno if I used that term correctly.)

"Chu keep using that word. I dont think it means what chu think it means." - Inigo Montoya

Anyway, so after we kicked the light on...a little while later, there is this smell. Burning plastic? Hmmm. It was the same time we built our rubbermaid cab with the CFLs so we suspected that at first. Then, upon further inspection, we found MORE GOO! This time it was different tho.

Come to find out... there was a protective film on the inside of the cooltube on the metal reflective part, that we didnt see, EVEN when we were spending 20 minutes wiring the bulb! Weird. So that film was melting and running down the fixture. There was NOTHING in the instructions on how to wire the bulb, and defiintely nothing about a protective film that you need to remove or cause a horrible smell and a plastic stuck to the inside of your cooltube that is a BITCH to get off. Hmm. Live and learn. Alcohol helped get most of the plastic off. The light is up and running now with the gooey bulb in it, and it seems fine....so far.

DAY 69

HPS...burning the film

RIGHT SIDE VEG

LEFT SIDE VEG

LEFT SIDE VEG tops

LEFT SIDE VEG branches

[Bodom Children Of]

yeah i was gunna say if its just for getting them clones to sex then its fine just some stuff to think about

[jamstigator]

I like how you can sit in a chair and work on your plants! Mine are much closer to the floor so I have to sit on the floor to work on stuff. My fan's a 6" 440 CFM EcoPlus. Kind of overkill for a cabinet, but I have it dialed way down to reduce the noise level.

[Garden Knowm]

How many days have they been flowering?

[TheGreenFog]

How many days have they been flowering?

Hey, Knowm. To which plants are you referring?

I guess I was a little unclear in explaining what I was doing with the HPS. Since my left-side veg room overflowed into my "flowering" room, I have been vegging some in the right side with CFLs.

Then, when I got my HPS light, I still had not sexed any of the plants. Had to wait for my clones to root, veg, etc. to be ready to flower.

Then, I built my "BodomBox" (rubbermaid growbox) to start the sexing process. IN THE MEANTIME, I am continuing to veg all other plants, even the ones under the HPS. They are still on 18/6.

Hopefully, when I know the sex, I can just leave some of the BIG plants in there and flower them. From my novice evaluation of the preflowers, I am predicting a high number of females...which I will not have room for!

I will try to pick 2 or 3 good mothers and flower the rest. We'll see what happens.

KNOWM, to answer YOUR question...at DAY 69, I THINK the clones in the BodomBox are 5 days into flowering. :D They are starting to show the hormone change as they are creating the "top-like" upper leaves, if you know what I mean. Still no pistils or ballsacks. Hope this answers your question... ;)

TGF

[TheGreenFog]

I like how you can sit in a chair and work on your plants! Mine are much closer to the floor so I have to sit on the floor to work on stuff. My fan's a 6" 440 CFM EcoPlus. Kind of overkill for a cabinet, but I have it dialed way down to reduce the noise level.

Well, glad to know that you dont NEED 440cfm for that small space. I will get all the specs and show you some pics of what "we" are working with. It is insufficient. Will get back to you on that one...

As far as the chair goes...It actually acts more as a stepladder to move lights, reach clones, etc. It also serves as a photo platform. You will see it in LOTS of the pics. So far, I have pretty much been taking all the plants out of the closet every week when I go work on them. I remove them, measure their growth vertically and horizontally (recently stopped doing this cuz I'm not LSTing yet), pick off any dead foliage, take single shots of each plant, then put them back in the closet. Soon, I will be anchoring the remaining ones (after sexing) into a bed of hydroton and removing them will not be possible. THEN, I will be using the chair for its destined purpose. I did consider this also when I built the shelf they sit on to that height.

Any more questions? :D

TGF

[TheGreenFog]

Just some individual pics of the plants on DAY 69 from seed. ENJOY. :D

Be nice with your flaming of my plants...you don't wanna stress them out and make 'em hermie, now do ya?? ;) hypothetically, of course

[TheGreenFog]

S'more.

Still waiting for those clones to show themselves. :o

[TheGreenFog]

S'more. ZZzzzz.

[faithlessxxx]

.

Those pots look small to me...

.

[TheGreenFog]

Well, you are the second person to post regarding my "pots." LOL

First of all, that orange bowl you see in every picture is not a pot. It is the bowl I use to put my pump & airstone in when I'm changing my res, and I also use it to put the plants in when I'm taking pics so I dont get water all over my expensive, one of a kind orange chair! :D

I have been advised already about the rootbinding problem and that will be taken care of. For the moment, tho, they are in 4 x 4 rockwool cubes. I'm gonna have to put them in an actual pot with some hydroton, or just sink them in a bed of it, after removing the white plastic of course. ;)

Check back later today. I will post some pics of my ventilation that I am setting up. CHEERS!

TGF

Edit: Oh, and StinkyAttic, the only reason I am not doing the repotting now is because I just dont have any room. And I also dont want to sink them all into hydroton just to have to rip them out in a few days because they are male. ;) thx

[Garden Knowm]

your stems are GREEN.. more than a lot of people can say.. very unorthadox grow.. glad to take a gander or 10 at it!!

iloveyou

[stinkyattic]

Hey The Fog,
Glad you took the [hopefully] girls out for glamour shots.
Another quick comment is, have you considered the practicalities of adding some side-lighting to your box? Even just flouro tubes. The plants are showing signs of wanting a little more light to the lower leaves, even though the tops look really healthy.
I still think your setup is pretty SLICK! :D

[TheGreenFog]

~Knowm~

Thanks. I guess I never really though of it as unorthodox. I kinda understand what you mean, cuz I'm not using DWC, NFT, or soil like most people use. Just keeping it simple with a drip system and the cubes. I didnt forsee having the roots outgrow the cubes before I had the plants sexed. But I'm taking care of that. Otherwise, what did YOU mean by "unorthodox?"

~StinkyAttic~

Well, funny you say that. As we speak, cohort is proabably at the store buying more CFLs to hang over the top of the beg room and we will probably be putting the tubes we have on the sides. We have been discussing using bigger flouros (142w equivalents instead of 100w ~) but they do not have the same "full spectrum" label on them. I have to check the kelvin on them and read up some more cuz I'm not very educated on that. Thanks for the compliment. We think it's pretty slick too! :D

TGF

[TheGreenFog]

Ok, as promised, here are pics of our ventilation system. We we have one 250cfm inline fan split by a T to act as exhaust for both rooms. Another 250 cfm inline fan will be used to cool the HPS. the holes in the plywood (look in other pics for them) will act as passive intake.

We plan to create a basic carbon filter out of carbon filter replacement sheets wrapped around a coffeecan with large holes...(I'll have to show a pic when we make it).

There is some bad news tho...the inline exhaust fans are worthless. Suction is minimal. I think the design is pretty good but our fan needs to be at least a centrifugal or squirrel fan to provide adaquate suction. With the system we have now, we cant close the doors without the right side (HPS) going up to 35+ degrees Celsius.

Are we on the right track???

[TheGreenFog]

Laaaa....laaaa...laaaa

Whoa look at the color diff between the 2 sides.

[TheGreenFog]

Ok, some with better lighting ( I think I used the flash). ;)

Anyone awake over there??

:rasta: :pimp: :stoned: :clap: :eek: :upsidedow :dance: :glugglug:

[faithlessxxx]

.

I too had the 35C horror from my HPS, the worthless fans, the sleepness nights, 'til I discovered...PLEXIGLAS!

By inserting a wall-to-wall plexiglas shelf about 10cm beneath the lamp, that pretty much shuts the air below and the air above off from each other, with an exhaust fan leading a 9cm wide piping right under the lamp, and an in vent down by the plants, I reduced the heat by 8 degrees.
Google plexiglas + light transmission if you're worried about losing light, plexiglass allows around 97% through, even better than glass.

It saved my life, it may save yours!

I'd love to see your coffee can filter solution, it sounds doable!

.

[the yeag]

hey nice job i did not follow after the start...thought you would forget to post...nice fucking job man.....keep it up...can't wait to see buds......i feel like i am waiting to see see my child take his first step......thanks

[TheGreenFog]

~DAY 71~

Cutting MORE clones and get some things organized!

[TheGreenFog]

Still ~Day 71~

Summore. Will post more soon. Let me know what you think.


TGF


Oooooooh page 6. :clap::clap::clap:

This thread's almost as long as bud and no papes now. lol lol lol :rasta: :stoned: :smokin:

[Garden Knowm]

You are in FRANCE?

: )

[JEFFAR420]

I love your cloning system, its genious, and that tall lady looks great!

[TheGreenFog]

Hey, Knowm! You didn't leave any "input." :confused: iloveyou

Thanks, JEFFAR420. The cloning chamber works excellently! I haven't lost a one!

Still ~DAY 71~

We tried to put the other end of the cool tube on to draw fresh air, and isolate the tube, blah blah. It doesn't work. Look at the temp! 35C/93F :eek:

So that wont work. These inline duct fans have no fuggin power! :mad: Gonna have to do something else.

On a positive note...LOOK AT MY TEST-CLONES!!!!!! :clap:

They actually look like flowering plants! They havent shown their sex yet, but you can see they are in the flowering mode now by the way they've set they're tops up all nicely. I love this BodomBox of mine. :D

TGF

[TheGreenFog]

Left, right....left, right...left, right, left! March! I have too many pictures, dont I? Want less pictures? Am I posting TOO MANY PICTURES?

:D :rasta: :rasta: :rasta:

[TheGreenFog]

BodomBox. Yes, still ~DAY 71~

By the way, for anyone too lazy to read back, these are clones I took from each one of my plants. Notice the numbering: 3a, 8a, etc. I rooted them, vegged them for a little, and now I they are on 12/12 in this rubbermaid grow box so that I can sex them. I will find out which plants are male and which plants are female. Any males, bye bye. Anyone wanna guess a number? I have 13 original plants from seed.

By the way, I am finding out that I dont have a representative from each plant. I only have 10 clones in the BodomBox...crap...another stoner moment. Hmmm. Well, gonna have to figure something out. Dont they look cute tho...or are they ugly?? :(

TGF

[TheGreenFog]

Ok, here is some more cloning. I'm taking clones of the plants that I forgot to clone before...and that last one is #6, which has been a runt all along, so I'm trying to top it again to see what happens. If it dies, so be it. :cool:

I also clipped the ends of the leaves, which I have learned ...somewhere. :) See if this works better or worse than otherwise.

TGF

[TheGreenFog]

Here's one last pic of the clones. I thought I had more pics, but I guess I got distracted smoking pic #2. ;)

:smokin:


TGF

[JEFFAR420]

WOW, you can never have to many pics. This shit is awsome, you got so much going on, Im in love with the end results, that nug is bombbb.

[Pass That Shit]

GreenFog, not sure on how many males you will get out of your lucky "13". But so far, I have 5 males out of 8 plants. :(

Since I was not able to get into the cloning process right now, I will do it on the next batch. It's really a shame to upbring and love a plant for over a month and then it starts to grow balls on you. I hope you get more girls than I did. I will get some seeds out of them and try to smoke the males as well. How bad can smoking a male white widow be? Peace

I will play along and guess that you will get 6 girls out of 13 plants. Roll the dice baby.....

[faithlessxxx]

.

I've been told that females are slightly more common than males, since male pollen drifts and can pollenate so many females.
How does this translate to humans? You tell me... :pimp:

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[invision]

smoking a male plant is useless very little THC a waste of your effort to grow them out

[Pass That Shit]

I'm only wasting CFL light on one plant. I'm planning on getting plenty of seeds from it. I will try to smoke it to find out if it will even get me high. I'm not putting much effort into keeping the male at opt conditions, just keeping it alive to mature the seeds. I was considering throwing out the other 4 males that are outside right now. I didn't even bring them in the past two cold nights cause I don't care much for them.

[invision]

i dont get what you mean to mature the seeds the female does this on her own once pollen is made available to her, once the male sacs open you can discard the males the females will take over from there the longer you leave a male the more seeds you end up with and the more seeds the less smoke you have

[TheGreenFog]

OOOOOOO..K... I see a lot of people on here misunderstand the male pollen sack/seed concept. Go get a joint or pack a bowl. Here's pretty much how it goes:


Females grow buds..., which are made up of a bunch of little sacks or "eggs". These sacks are actually called calyxes and have 2 little hairs (pistils) coming out of each. That's why the plants continue to increase in hairiness as they grow more calyxes, therefore more hairs. These hairs catch pollen....

Males grow pollen sacks..., which contain pollen or "sperm." This pollen is like dust that spreads across the crop when the pollen sack opens. After the male spreads it's pollen, it is left with a bunch of open pollen sacks and leaves. No buds. Now pay attention. The little hairs (pistils) on the female "catch" the pollen and bring it inside the sack...and form a seed.

This is why the seeds are in the buds. The buds (groups of calyxes) are the only smokeable part, but if they are pollinated by the males, they form seeds.

If it is a good strain, the male will have some THC crystals (trichomes) on the leaves, which you could potentially use to make hash, even though the hash made from males is less potent then that made from females.

Males are virtually useless. Kick them in the nuts and chop them down. It took a long time for me to embrace this concept, but it must be done. If you just cant bring yourself to do that, grow them SOMEWHERE ELSE...and harvest the crystally leaves for hash or cooking. That is all.



Hope this helps clear up the whole "males growing seeds" controversy!! :thumbsup:


Whew, I need to go smoke a seedless female group of calyxes after that long rant. :rasta: :rasta: :rasta:


Be light....like a feather.


TGF


"What limes???"

[Weed4Life]

That sounds about right Invision. Good grow by the way Thegreenfog. I will be playing around with cloning soon once I setup my grow closet. I have sum bubblicious and papaya along with durban poison x skunk#1. I was thinking of growing about 4 seeds of each and hope for 1 female atleast, then take about 3-4 clones from each plant. wait a week, then flower plants to determine sex, if any males, chuck them and thier clones and keep the 2 best clones from each female. I think I was gonna put the clones in sum bubble buckets.

[TheGreenFog]

Oh... and...

~Jeffar420~, thanks! I cant wait to see the end result of this one either!!!

~PassThatShiznit~ Good to see ya keepin up. Make sure you dont blink!...lol. I guess the post above answered your question about smoking the males... And I record your guess of 6/13 femme fatales (girlie girls for those of you who dont speak gibberish).

~Invision~ You were right but your post is a little difficult to understand so I just thought I'd spell it out for anyone who still didnt get it...and cuz I have some time on my hands right now. Wow...that's amazing! :) You harvest yet, mang?? That sweet lil' LST'd bitch you got... mmmmm :D:D

~Weed4Life~, Thanks. That's a good plan you got. That's (http://pot.tv/archive/shows/pottvshowse-2993.html) pretty much how I'm doing it. I'll be keepin up witcha, mang!


TGF

[TheGreenFog]

Ok, guys, now the fun starts.

[TheGreenFog]

~DAY 79~ is here! :D:D

We think we know which are male and which are female!!! I'll put pics up of each test-clone just so you all can see for yourselves and help me decide. ;) hehe

Apparently, we did not clone all of the 13 plants and we only have 10 plants represented in the BodomBox. If you have been following along, we remedied that...well, we cut clones off of the other 3 to start rooting and vegging.

In the meanwhile, our test-clones, have started to FLOWER!!!!!! It's amazing...a sight to behold.

Our veg room...well, rooms are getting out of hand. We couldnt wait to find out any longer. Once we find out which are male and female, we dont know what to do with them yet! lol.

Well, here is some pics of the veg room on DAY 79...and I'll be putting up the flowering pics in a few hours.

Before then...let's get some more guesses on the number of females vs. males...You can guess out of the 13 OR if you want to just guess how many out of the 10 we have flowering, you can do that. Or both. :D:D

TGF

[Tokudai]

Well I just got 4/10 femm with some Aurora Indicas I just popped...
I wish you a bit better luck than me so how about 6/10 (or 7/13)

Keep up the (hypothetical) good work ;)

[Pass That Shit]

i dont get what you mean to mature the seeds the female does this on her own once pollen is made available to her, once the male sacs open you can discard the males the females will take over from there the longer you leave a male the more seeds you end up with and the more seeds the less smoke you have


WTF,
What are you talking about here? You better read up on your shit before you give out information.

That's why GreenFog cleared you up with his post.

What I meant about maturing the seeds was that I'm growing the male plant until the seeds...well....mature. So they can be picked. So I can grow White Widow again. Get it? I'm growing a male plant in a different place from the females so I can get seeds from the male. Get it?

[invision]

whatever dude take your piss contest else where you havent the clue

[Pass That Shit]

Let me share some male pics with you to see if it can help you clear things up. Look down to see if you have any sacs between your legs. Compare with pic on right. Hope that helps :)

[invision]

dude.......lol......give it up

[doco]

I think there is a basic misunderstanding here: males do not produce seeds....females produce seeds after they have been pollenated by a male.

[Pass That Shit]

I think there is a basic misunderstanding here: males do not produce seeds....females produce seeds after they have been pollenated by a male.

LOL, Thanks :thumbsup:

[TheGreenFog]

Sorry, ~PassThat~, but you are still mistaken. I was not contradicting Invision's comment at all, I was just explaining it in clearer terms, however, they were apparently not clear enough.

Maybe I was too wordy with the explanation. Doco said it short and sweet, the same thing myself and Invision are saying. Don't get all confrontational on my thread please, PassThat. We're just trying to clear up confusion in a peaceful way. Please reread my post about the difference. ;)

What you can do, is grow the male in a separate place, and harvest the pollen, then you can brush that pollen on only ONE of the branches and have a completely seedless female plant, except for the bud on the ONE branch you have pollinated. That is a good way to get seedless bud to smoke, but still produce seeds to grow from later.

Be mellow...like jello.

Peace, love, and pot. :rasta:

TGF

Anyone else with a vote on how many females/males will come out of my batch?? I'm gonna probably post the pics in a little. :D:D:D

[TheGreenFog]

~DAY 79~

Mmmm. Veggies. :)

[Pass That Shit]

I know that the male plant produces the pollen sacs that distribute pollen to pollinate the female plant and cause it to grow seeds. Since I threw out my males in my last grow, I didn't realize that they didn't have any seeds. Then I read a post on here suggesting to kill the males or keep them for seeds. By this comment, I thought he was implying that the male plant could pollinate itself and produce seeds as well, so I put a male to the side this time. You worded your post fine. It was me who failed to understand it. Sorry for distracting your grow. :(

An apology to Invision as well. This potent shit I picked up was making me paranoid :stoned:

[TheGreenFog]

~DAY 79~

Cloning action. This is my 2nd set of clones. The 1st ones did well, they took about a week and a half to root but their leaves died a little right before they sprouted roots. They ended up ok and in the BodomBox for flowering. This batch has done even better. Took about the same amount of time to root but the roots look stronger and healthier on more of them this time...and the leaves look better. Olivia's cloning gel and rockwool with a humidome and a flourescent tube light...Kicks ass! :) I am the cloning master!!!! Just kidding. It is really easy.


TGF

[TheGreenFog]

~DAY 79~

Ok, guys, the moment we've all been waiting for. I'll start with a picture of the bad news. :eek: This is PLANT #7. Luckily, PLANT #7 has been a runt the whole time! The clone I put into flower looks awesome, tho! But, alas it has nutsacks... :( It is a bad forcast for this sucker.

THIS IS A MALE. :sadcrying :sadcrying :sadcrying

TGF

[TheGreenFog]

Crap...this post was supposed to go ABOVE the last post. Oh well. Here is the BodomBox after 10 days of flowering. We are on ~DAY 79~ of the actual grow but on *DAY 10* of flowering the Test-clones. If you want to find that PLANT #7, it is on the tall f*cker in bottom left corner of the rubbermaid box.

[TheGreenFog]

Well, at least we know no one is wrong yet. It isn't 10/10 females. Lol. We have at least one male. I can't stay and post the rest of them right now. But I will come back and do more asap. I love that pic of #7. It seems clearer than any other male pic I've seen before. I was so excited to see a male, if you could believe that. :eek: haha.

The voting is still open!

Be cool.

TGF

[doco]

I'm going with 7F/3M

[Weed4Life]

Come on guys, get the facts straight, males can only pollinate females, so no fuking bitching guys. You can only get seeds by pollinating the female. Dont be so quick to start shit. Read everything thoroughly. Dont be so quick to be judgemental and just offer advice and so forth. Come on Passthatshit, be nice cause you wouldnt want someone being an ass to you, right. Stay High all.

[bud breath420]

wow im gone for a week and this thread is huge! lookin good mate

[delta9thc06]

Your plants look pretty good man, i just took 9 cuttings and got a assload of stuff from the hydro shop.Thinking about getting a 150 watter tomorrow.

Happy growin:thumbsup:

[invision]

passthat i dont really try to take offense i do get pissy when i know what im saying is true but it doesnt matter either way we were talking about something else no worries keep growing.

greenfog i have space in my new cab if you run out of room :)

looking good

[TheGreenFog]

wow im gone for a week and this thread is huge! lookin good mate

Yea, I'm an uber-poster. LOL. Nah, I just have lotsa pics. I was lurkin 'round these parts long before I started postin' and I just think people like pics. I sure do.

And the more pics I post, the more people can understand how the process works.

I was kinda confused myself and worried about whether I was going to be able to actually tell a male from a female because I had never really seen a GOOD clear picture of one. Plus, lighting, rockwool, hydroton, the works. I was blessed with all these pics and you should be able to see em too! ANYWAY, yea that's why I said, :blink and you might miss something!" This grow is a quick-mover. LOL ;)




Your plants look pretty good man, i just took 9 cuttings and got a assload of stuff from the hydro shop.Thinking about getting a 150 watter tomorrow.

Happy growin:thumbsup:

Hey, Delta9, thanks. What stuff was used to clone those cuttings? I mean like what gel or powder? Hope they survive. Keep 'em moist! Talk to them dirty...that seems to work for me. :p

You gonna be startin' a grow thread?? :thumbsup:



...no worries keep growing.

greenfog i have space in my new cab if you run out of room :)

looking good

Thanks, man. Wish I could. I probably wont have room, but I cant bear to get rid of any females. That would be heresy! :eek: I'll find a place for 'em! ;)


Be cool. :rasta:

TGF

[Cornelius]

dude, i'm likin the grow. I've been enjoying your thread for a while now. You obviously put a lot of thought into the care of your plants. I just started my first grow two weeks ago with some hi-mid bagseeds, and I'm looking at 7 seedlings (some were germinated later).

[TheGreenFog]

dude, i'm likin the grow. I've been enjoying your thread for a while now. You obviously put a lot of thought into the care of your plants. I just started my first grow two weeks ago with some hi-mid bagseeds, and I'm looking at 7 seedlings (some were germinated later).

Thanks for stoppin' in. Planning for everything is difficult but I STRONGLY suggest people do their homework before rushing into an endeavor like this. :) Good luck with your grow. My grow is also "Hi-Mid Bagseed."


TGF


Now...let's get ready to rummmmbblllleeee!

[TheGreenFog]

Still ~DAY 79~

I'm trying to finish the flowering update. I have determined the sex of all of the plants in my test-clone rubbermaid grow box. These clones are from corresponding plants and are technically just for sexing purposes.

So far...PLANT #7 is a male...

THIS is PLANT #3...also male...

Score out of ten sexed: 2 M/0 F

[TheGreenFog]

PLANT #8


MALE...

Score out of ten: 3 M/ 0 F

I like to give bad news first. :D

[TheGreenFog]

PLANT #5

I'm so happy about this one because the mother plant is the branchiest of them all! Niiice.

3 M/1 F

[TheGreenFog]

PLANT # 4 Female
PLANT # 1 Female
PLANT # 9 Female
PLANT # 2 Female
PLANT # 13 Female!

Score out of 10: 3 M/6 F

[bud breath420]

nice 6 isnt a bad number at all now go and rip those males!!

[TheGreenFog]

PLANT # 6 Female too...!

Plant #6

Group shot 7 females/ 3 males. ~DOCO~ wins! lol

Pic#4: Males going to the garbage...:( ...:D

[TheGreenFog]

OK! Well, that is the sexing...so far. As I said before, I must've overlooked something because I only put 10 clones from my 13 plants to sex. Now I have 3 clones that are two weeks behind! Still waiting on those.

But so far, GOOD NEWS! We have 7 Females for sure! That's a lotta pasta! What do ya think!

TGF

[doco]

Yay!! I won!! Now plump those girls up so I can collect my prize!!

[TheGreenFog]

Congrats, ~doco~. Good optimistic guess. :D I'm overflowing with foliage...and still cutting clones for some reason. I have nowhere to put them. Trust me, I wish I could give some away...! It will be a shame to have to destroy a female. :( Heresy, sacrilege, blasphemy...vituperation!!! :o

TGF

[Garden Knowm]

very nice.. looks like a freaking party...

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/vituperation


iloveyou

[BlueBear]

Store the clones.
Adieu

[TheGreenFog]

very nice.. looks like a freaking party...

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/vituperation


iloveyou


I thought that was a synonym...I looked on thesaurus.com...but I guess it's not really. lol

iloveyou2



Store the clones.
Adieu

I might try that...but...they are already rooted and into 4" x 4" cubes. Maybe I'll water them thoroughly and leave them on some street corners. LOL.

TGF

[BlueBear]

Street corner, LOL. There is a corner out in the front of my place that has a MH lamp for a street light, perhaps, hmm, hmm?
Good updating and great commitment to your project, keep it up.
Adieu

[TheGreenFog]

Lol, yea I would do that too! Just hafta tell me which street corner. But I more than likely dont live near there...AND I dont really have any plants anyway so it'd be invisible. Could you find it?!? ;)

Derrrrr....how far away should I keep my abandoned plants from the MH street light? ROFL :D


Be suave...like shampoo.

TGF

[TheGreenFog]

Crap...I have to go back to the last page to see where I left off. So lazy. Lol. Been trying to finish DAY 79 for like a week or more! I could use a hit right now...

[TheGreenFog]

~DAY 79~

Pics of the remaining plants in veg. Still have a lot! 3 more to be sexed. They're starting to look better, eh? ;)

TGF

Edit: I just looked at the pics again myself. LOL I guess they're not as "better" as I thought. They do have some nute burn/deficiency. Not sure which but I'm working on figuring that out. Any ideas???

[TheGreenFog]

Look at the internodes on that sucker (PIC#5) !!!

Can we say "motherplant?"

:)

TGF

MMMmmmm....stemmier.

[TheGreenFog]

I think these are all from PLANT #3. Beast of a plant. :) Internodes galore. :) 1 meter tall! :) MALE :(:(:(

[TheGreenFog]

More pics of PLANT #3. I know it is a little redundant, but this is to show what pre-flowers look like...right? I mean I was a little wary about trusting preflowers before I actually flowered and saw for myself. Pic#2 shows them the best.

I also have to go back and check which matched with which, because some of them started to have little "balls" around the internodes but I wasnt sure if that was a true preflower or not...not all of them had them.

I read about preflowers here but like I said, not very many GOOD pictures of them so hopefully someone can verify this for me and then we CAN have at least 1 good pic of some male preflowers for those who are doing research before they start a grow.

Wow, researching before you start a grow...what a concept!!! :cool:

:rasta: :rasta:

TGF

[TheGreenFog]

Clones in pic # 1

Flowering box in action in pic #2.

Dunno why I put picture # 3 there...just cuz I can, I guess.

TGF

[notorious P.O.T]

wow i have to take my hat off to the unknown author of that mysterious marble notebook...hes done a great job so far...and is looking at an excellent harvest.. round of applause for the unknown author:clap: ...lol

[TheGreenFog]

I'm sure he is out there reading this secretly somewhere and greatly appreciates your round of applause. :D I have a feeling he learned something from you too.

Just a vessel,

TGF

[TheGreenFog]

Well, I have some more pics of DAY 79, but I dont want to put so many that I dont give anyone a time to read/browse/respond. But maybe I'll change my mind when I smoke a nice fat bud in my bowl and post them anyway. They're cool, IMO.

:rasta::smokin::rasta::smokin::rasta:

TGF

[invision]

never enough pics i have 125megs just in pics of my grow :)

[TheGreenFog]

Yea, I hear ya. I love pics. Especially for all these people who DONT READ before they post seeminly-absurd questions and comments. :cursing: No, but really, everyone loves pics, as I do, and I'm happy to share them. Plus, they can show people somewhat what they have to expect in each stage of their grow, visually. I just hope they are appreciated, cuz I might have carpal-tunnel after finishing this thread! lol ;)

:D:D

I love everyone.

TGF

[dusto2k3]

Hey Greenfog...what are the max temps you experience during flower in you cab/room?

[Garden Knowm]

I am really digging your love and dedication to ROCKWOOL CUBES!!

: )

[TheGreenFog]

Well, as of now. I only have the rubbermaid grow cab going in "flower." The temps in there stay a cool 27C/80F.

I have 4 flourescent lights with one very small space fan taped into a hole for exhaust and 6 holes (1/2" I think) for passive intake (3 on either side at the bottom). It works like a charm. I am currently using it only for my sexing cab, but now that it has served its purpose,

I am debating whether to use it to grow those "test-clones" to maturity or just toss 'em and scrog on nice plant in there. It is a very nice little cab. It could be done the same way with a wooden cabinet-type cab.

Mylar the sides, put an exhaust fan (or 2), stick in some CFLs (I use 24w full spectrum bulbs, which are extremely cool compared to the 42w ones), poke some intake holes, and you're done. Timer and temp gauges, a must. KISS for sure. Simple as pie. Seems small for my grow...but for 1 or 2 small plants, it may be enough for a full cycle.

Ok...well, temps are very stable and cool. That's the answer to your question. Lol Ambient is about 76, cab goes to 80.

:rasta:...seriously.

TGF

hypothetically

[TheGreenFog]

I am really digging your love and dedication to ROCKWOOL CUBES!!

: )


Well, glad that you like it. Glad that you are keepin up with the thread too. ;) I do love rockwool cubes...! The have worked well for me. Now that I get to sink them into the hydroton, I think they will get even better. I kind of wish I didn't start with so many plants, but I had to be sure I'd get enough females, and hey, it was just bagseed anyway. What's a couple of seeds?! Well, now I'm outta room! LOL

Will post more pics tmw for sure. keep checkin' in!

Be cool.

TGF

Edit: I will try to type more about my love for rockwool tmw also. :D

[TheGreenFog]

Well, guys, it's a new day, and time for some new fun. Well, new day in for me at least. Still on the same DAY 79 in the grow though. I have so many damn pictures (about 150 just for DAY 79 :eek:) that it takes me a long time to post them all!

But first, GK & Invision had mentioned the rockwool oddity part of my grow, which I really dont find that odd, but I guess it is not the must orthodox way to do a grow. There are of course positives and negatives to growing soley in a rockwool substrate.

Positives:

Easy to move/adjust plants.

Rockwool holds almost the perfect amount of water. It is difficult to overwater them. I read somewhere that said they hold 18% air at all times. I dont know if this is true, but I "dont think" I've had any overwatering problems. They are easy to check to see if they are moist: light = dry & heavy/squishy = wet!

Very clean. No messing with overflowing NFT/DWC systems or messy soil. Now I'm not bunking soil in the least. I would love to do a soil grow and use organics, but for practical reasons, rockwool is better (cleaner).

Negatives:

It is not soil. It is made from pulverized and spun fibers of...ROCK. Mainly basalt. Someone likened it to making cotton candy out of rock.

Rock has a higher pH than some, therefore I have to adjust the pH of the water lower than I would usually to account for the increase in pH in the runoff.

Susceptible to mold. If you look in some of my pictures, I have mold growing on almost every one of my rockwool cubes. I was first noticing white salt build ups (which might be another negative) but then came the brown mold. Ewww. I assume this will appear anywhere you have high humidity, light and air. One must cover one's rockwool - imperative.

^^^However, the mold has not seemed to affect the plants' growth. Odd.

So this is my take on rockwool. I'm sure it's not fully comprehensive, but it is what I could think of off the top of my head.

(looong pause)

I started this damn post like 3 or 4 hours ago. I've been SO busy!!! I'm just gonna post it now so I dont lose it. And cuz I've lost my train of thought.

Little stressed...would love some destresser medicine. ;) :rasta:

TGF

[TheGreenFog]

Weeeelll, then. I guess no one has any comments on the rockwool post. Hmmm. Did I waste my time? I hate doing that. :upsidedow

Meh, well. Maybe you are all just not there right now. Maybe I'll go start a thread with it or something...or add it to that rockwool thread I've seen here.

ANYWAY, it's that time again. Pics, pics and more pics. I hope you like the way I've done things.

TGF

Oh, and all you lurkers out there, come join the board and post some of your comments in my thread. It's gettin lonely up in here. Thanks to all of those who HAVE taken the time to comment/help/criticize. That's what it's all about. :thumbsup: :):)

[TheGreenFog]

Ok, well, I've gotten rid of about 5 plants or so. 2 big ones (#7 & #3) and a few smaller ones too. All were male, of course. I still have 3 plants of which I am not sure of the sex, but they have clones in the process of being flowered for sex, hot sex. lol I kill myself...no but seriously.

In my left side veg,

I have chosen PLANT #5 as my "Mamacita" plant. That's Motherplant for those of you who were stoned in Spanish class. :D It is by far the branchiest, best looking plant of the bunch. I was really hoping it was female so it could become my mother. It was behind for a while (probably just behind those aggressive males) but it caught up and surpassed most in quality of branches, etc.

I have PLANT #11, which is a nice, stocky little plant that I grew from a top of my original #11. The original #11 was pretty f**ked up. It was burned, and just basically "runty." When I took the top, the top grew SO NICELY, that I separated it from the other clones and grew it down in the veg area. When it was time to sex my test-clones, I couldnt bear to put it in, so that is one of the reasons why I missed 3 plants. That was one of them. It has NO stretching at the bottom, which I love, and it is just overall nice looking. I did top it...not sure if I did that before or after this pic, I'll have to go back and look.

PLANT #10 is also being kept in the left side veg area. It is a nice, branchy plant with lot of internodes, but I do not know the sex of it yet.

In my right side "flower" room,

I have numbers 12, 1, 2, ...oh crap I forgot. Again, hafta go back and look. I have so many meter-tall plants, that I cant keep them all as mothers, and I really dont need to clone that much, cuz sh*t, I just dont have anymore room!

I know I have already ditched plants #3, #7, #8, and #12.

I did not fully throw 12 away, because I didnt know its sex. I just knew it was stretched as hell and had very little internodes, and I have no room. SO, I topped it, and cloned it and then "threw away" the 3' part.

Wow, its hard for me to keep up with them all!

Will type more in the next post. :D:D

TGF

[TheGreenFog]

Ok, well, apparently I didnt include a pic of my Mamacita or even my left side veg room. Hmmm. Well, here are a few pics of Mambo #5, my motherplant.

(angels sing)

I obviously potted her. Took off the white plastic around the cube, and potted her in hydroton. Hope she's happy in her new home.

Will post the left-side veg pics in the next post...I think. :D

Cdot, meet Mambo #5. :D

TGF

[TheGreenFog]

Well, I just looked at the pics in the above post^^^ and I think I might need bigger pots. Granted, the pic is taken at a birds-eye view, so the perspective is a little off, but still....

pondering......

[TheGreenFog]

Ok, still DAY 79.

Putting 5 of the large plants in the flowering room. Hope to flower soon. They are all females. They are sunken in hydroton. I need more. I dont know if they will choke eachother out or not. I also hope they do not "DOUBLE" in size...or even "triple," cuz then I will be screwed, for lack of a better term. Well, not lack of...lol.

TGF

[TheGreenFog]

Still DAY 79

Whew, this is a lot of work. Lots of plants to move, water, trim, clone, take pictures of, etc etc.

Here is the left side veg room. I just have 3 plants in there now. Mambo #5, Heaven #11, and Bony #10 (We dont know what #10 is yet. I have a feeling its goin to be a girl ;) )


TGF

[TheGreenFog]

One more of the left-side veg. That plant in front is #11's top, #11a. It has been topped also. :D:D

TGF

yawn...

[doco]

So, TGF.....this journal that you came across...and that you are posting pictures of... it's already in the can right? Harvested? And you are giving us episodes, sort of like a TV show? I gotta admit, when I first saw those poor little seedlings all stretched out to like 6 inches, I wasn't too sure about it but it sure has blossomed into a great grow. And for a first grow too!! Cloning, hydroton, rockwool...pretty advanced for a first try. I stand amazed....

[TheGreenFog]

Wideshot(s)...why so many? Cuz I can. :D:D

[TheGreenFog]

So, TGF.....this journal that you came across...and that you are posting pictures of... it's already in the can right? Harvested? And you are giving us episodes, sort of like a TV show? I gotta admit, when I first saw those poor little seedlings all stretched out to like 6 inches, I wasn't too sure about it but it sure has blossomed into a great grow. And for a first grow too!! Cloning, hydroton, rockwool...pretty advanced for a first try. I stand amazed....

Hey, ~doco~. Glad to see someone coming on and posting. It gets lonely over here. ;) To answer your question...read my very first post...:D

However...hypothetically I will slow down on the posting soon and I will be posting "as if" the grow was currently happening. Therefore, hypothetically I have not yet "harvested." And since I am just an impersonator, I have been speaking in the first person to make it seem like I have done this. I dont know the first thing about growing anything. "Hell, I cant even make a chia pet sprout!" - SA

I'm glad you like the thread tho. I have had my fair share of worries but have loved watching them grow. It is amazing that such a big plant can come out of such a tiny seed. Nature is full of miracles. :D:D:D

TGF

[TheGreenFog]

I have a question for everyone out there.

I know I have gotten an answer from at least ONE person, but I there have been so many "views" to this post, yet, very few responses. The 9 pages consists basically of hundreds upon hundreds of pics and commentary by me.

Although I enjoy doing this, even if it is for my own benefit alone, I would love to know that this is in someway helping others grow. I also have asked for some advice on what I am doing wrong, and have gotten very little of that.

I have been looking at some of my recent pics and my plants look friggin horrible compared to many I've seen on this site. I realize why I've had many of the problems, due to lack of light (stretching), nute burn (duh), over-crowding, contamination, etc. BUT, these are all things I've figured out myself just by reading other people's posts. If you've heard the saying, "Two heads are better than one," I would love to hear some of your takes on my opinions. :D:D

Either way, I will probably still continue posting. I have actually FINALLY finished posting DAY 79 and am moving on to DAY 83...where we do some LST, see some flowers, and other exciting stuff. I will wait for a while to let some people catch up on the thread, posting only seldomly to keep the post in the readers' eyesight. ;) I'm very excited to see the next few weeks!!! STAY TUNED...to GreenFogTV!!! LOL

Be solid...like a rock!

TGF

Dont have time to proofread so pls excuse any errors. ;)

[TheGreenFog]

Ok...well, enough waiting. I have time so I'm doing it now...here comes DAY 83. I have about 80 pictures of this day...I will try not to post all of them..but hey, even if I do, that's only 16 posts. LOL. You guys are gonna have to start advising me on some of this stuff real soon!! ;)

Ok here it comes... forboding music...:eek:


TGF

[TheGreenFog]

~DAY 83~

This is also DAY 14 of flowering our "test-clones."

Here's some wide-shots. I guess it's pretty self explanatory. :)


TGF

[TheGreenFog]

~DAY 83~

Left side has stretched too much already. These stupid weak flouros just aint cutting it. The plants look healthier under them, but they stretch like hell. Grew into the lights...this is not the first time this has happened. We need more lumens in our left side.

Our right side looks ok...from a distance. The light in the picture is not all that great, color-wise, I'm sure, but that's really the only pics I got. What does it look like to you? Nute burn or nute deficiency?! Could it have something to do with the hydroton?

[TheGreenFog]

More pics

Right-side plants still in veg. Under 400wHPS

[TheGreenFog]

Any ideas of what the hell is wrong with my plants?? :(

[invision]

what are you feeding her boss and whats the PH of the runoff water

[TheGreenFog]

~DAY 83~

Flower DAY 14 in our rubbermaid box. Since Bodom hasn't even come around to say hi or anything, I'm gonna stop calling it the BodomBox. :( Lol

Anyway, the plants are doing some mighty stretching in there. Still flowering though. We're waiting to see about numbers 10, 11 and 12 to see of they are female or not.

TGF

[invision]

your plants will grow up to 2-3 times the original size before flower for the next 3 weeks(21days total) after that she will stop i myself was having a heart attack when she did her flower stetch this is 100% normal your doing nothing wrong

[TheGreenFog]

Hey, Invision. Was feeding Veg nutes. But have recently tapered that off after seeing the damage. pH is right where it has been the whole time. I dont think that is the problem. I am currently researching the Mosaic Tobacco Virus after reading about it here. But it seems that if that were the case, it would be on the plants in the left-side veg and the flowering box also, but it is just under the HPS.

TGF

[invision]

chances are she is looking for high P nutes now look here and see what you can match up this chart is the best tool for anyone growing
http://www.drugs-forum.com/growfaq/97.htm

[TheGreenFog]

your plants will grow up to 2-3 times the original size before flower for the next 3 weeks(21days total) after that she will stop i myself was having a heart attack when she did her flower stetch this is 100% normal your doing nothing wrong


I know this...and it's not bothering me too much in the small box...but I'm not sure what's going to happen when I flower those tall ones in the right-side veg. They are already 1 metre/3 feet, and there is only about 2 metres/6 feet of vertical space...and the light takes up some of that. I hope I dont have a problem. I wish I could chop about 6 to 12 inches off of the BOTTOM of the plant where it has som sever stretching. Can I do that and then glue the top to the rootball? hehe Maybe I should top them...thinking...


TGF

[TheGreenFog]

chances are she is looking for high P nutes now look here and see what you can match up this chart is the best tool for anyone growing
http://www.drugs-forum.com/growfaq/97.htm

Thanks Invision. I've seen that chart before also, but it never hurts to remind me. :D By looking at that, I would almost be incline to say that we have a Magnesium deficency. That is odd. Or maybe a nitrogen dificiency? I am also wondering if the fact that they are becoming more and more rootbound could be contributing to this problem also.

TGF

[greenmonster]

fog in some of those pics above it looks like uve vegged for too long -imo. 400hps doesnt do much good over 2 foot away so u really dont want your plants much taller than 30 inches because u will then have lots of dead space. Short and bushy is best. Ive grown plants that are 16 inches tall that yield as much as 1m tall monsters.
looks like your having fun though!

[invision]

could be root bound that is possible and you really cant transplant now so what you could do it chop the very bottom of the pot off and stick it in another pot filled with soil the roots will follow into the new pot giving her plenty of room its what i was forced to do

[greenmonster]

is his grow not hydro?
lol fog this is one of the most confusing threads ive ever seen.....
could be too much water, too often but if its hydro then it cant be that... i dont know, lol. sorry

[TheGreenFog]

fog in some of those pics above it looks like uve vegged for too long -imo. 400hps doesnt do much good over 2 foot away so u really dont want your plants much taller than 30 inches because u will then have lots of dead space. Short and bushy is best. Ive grown plants that are 16 inches tall that yield as much as 1m tall monsters.
looks like your having fun though!

Well, greenmonster, it's not really that I vegged too long, but I that had massive stretch and let them get too big. There was really not much I could do while I was waiting for my test-clones to show sex. I had considered topping them or using LST, but I was already over capacity space-wise, so that would have required decreasing the number of plants (due to the nature of LST'd or topped plants to grow horizontally), which I was not prepared to do until I knew the sex. I realize that I will probably end up having a lot of dead matter to pull off the bottom once they start flowering, but it's what I have to do. I am seriously considering just topping them now to make them shorter.

This all happened because I started with 13 plants in a 2' x 2' space! :eek: I should have utilized all of my space to begin with (I mean I should have used the right side). Meh, live and learn.

If you pay attention to PLANT #11a, it is much more of what I am looking for. :D


could be root bound that is possible and you really cant transplant now so what you could do it chop the very bottom of the pot off and stick it in another pot filled with soil the roots will follow into the new pot giving her plenty of room its what i was forced to do

:confused::confused:
It's hard to understand what you are saying with the lack of capitalization or punctuation, but if I understand what I think you are saying, you mean chop 2 feet off of the plant?! What? I was not serious about chopping off the rootball. And what is this stuff about soil? I'm not using soil. I will get the same result burying it in hydroton. I'm not trying to snap at you, man, but I just dont understand what the hell you are saying. (And I've read it 3 times) :D:D


is his grow not hydro?
lol fog this is one of the most confusing threads ive ever seen.....
could be too much water, too often but if its hydro then it cant be that... i dont know, lol. sorry

What is so confusing? Ask me and I will explain! :thumbsup:

Be cool.

TGF

:D:D

[invision]

lol i forgot you are using the cubes ooops nevermind then, yeah i know i need more periods. and comma's, and such! sorry :(

[TheGreenFog]

Hey, no prob, Invision. Just bustin' your chops. ;) I promised myself I wouldn't say anything to anyone about that, but I just didn't understand what you were saying...or did I understand it correctly? Rephrase please...or something. Thanks. :D

TGF

Edit:...ohhh page 10...Mua ha ha ha

Want more pics??? ;)

[TheGreenFog]

Ok..still DAY 83.

Here's one more pic of the flowering box. And here is lovely number 11a. This is the top of 11, which has been disposed of. It is our favorite. We have topped it and now are performing LST on it. :D:D

[TheGreenFog]

More pics. Some of 11a and the LST. Then I think that is #10, #10, and #5, the big ones. Look close. Maybe you can see the stake #. :D

[TheGreenFog]

More and more..too tired to type any explanation...

[TheGreenFog]

More...and taking out the plants to do some light work. Gonna move the tube lights to the sides, and put some CFLs on top! MMM more lumens. Delicious lumens...I eat lumens. ;)

Damn I need a hit. I think I'm weirder sober. :eek:

TGF

[peace plz]

Looking good man! Can't wait to see how it all comes together.

[TheGreenFog]

Well, I should be caught up in a little. Can't finish up DAY 83 just yet, but hope to a little later today. I also will need some SERIOUS input on a problem I am having. :eek: <-----seriously ----->:eek: I know you guys/gals don't wanna see my girlies die any more than I do, so please keep an eye out for my problem pics soon. :D Ciao

TGF

Edit: Like I said up there ^, I will put pics of the problem asap, but a brief explanation is that I have a plant that has started to look severely nute burned or something (I dont know how as we've haven't put more than 50% nutes for several weeks), and is now taco-leafing...:mad: Not a very great description, but if you go back and look for plant number....ummm I think it's #13, you will probably see the start of the problem. (sigh) Is it deficent? Diseased? At least one leaf is crumbly dry. :(:(:(

[Pass That Shit]

GreenFog, Check out this thread as I touched on taco leafing.

http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=84080&highlight=taco

If you're already done with the plants, why are you bothering to ask the questions? I agree with an earlier poster, this is one of the most confusing grows I've seen. And as far as numbering the plants, do you realize that it's a non factor to us? I can't tell which one you're referring to when you give their number so I feel it's just a waste of time on your part.

[TheGreenFog]

Thank you for the link on the taco leafing. I had a suspicion it was magnesium def. But then I was like, well, I am using nutes from a bottle, and not soil, so it shouldnt be deficient. My other thought was Phosphorus, at the time of the taco leafing, the plants had just been switched over to flowering. I havent gotten there yet in the thread, but the problem was urgent to where I needed to ask now. I have increased the bloom nutes to try to solve the phosphorus problem, and I will probably go add some epsom salt soon too. Thanks.

As far as the numbers on the plants, if you look closely at the pictures, you will see that I made every effort to make sure I kept the plant number (the number written on the little stake) facing the camera in most of the pictures. It is pretty easy to see which is which. Plus I try to describe which is which.

Why is this thread/grow confusing? I explained it ALL in the very first post.

Lastly, Passthatshit. You seem to be one of the most argumentative people out here. The other day, you jumped on ticoblunts, you argued with Invision on my thread, and now this. Like I said, I appreciate you help and the link, but why do you have to be an jerk? "These numbers are a non factor to us...you're wasting your time." I'm trying to be thorough with this thread because most people arent. If the numbers dont mean sh*t to you, then dont look at them. I think you dont smoke enough before you come on here and start posting. :rasta:

If you dont have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.

Thanks.

Be mellow, man. :thumbsup:

TGF

[oturbojoeo4o]

lovein it....CFL rock....eat them lumens!!!!!!!!

[Pass That Shit]

GreenFog, It's obvious that you have a personal problem with me, and you still haven't got over it. Why don't you just answer the question instead of getting all defensive?

WHY ARE YOU ASKING PEOPLE TO TAKE THE TIME TO HELP YOU WITH YOUR PROBLEMS IF YOUR GROW IS ALREADY DONE?

Yes, I was wrong towards Invision and apologized to him about it. I also apologized to you for doing it on your thread. At least he was nice enough to accept my apology. But since you're better than me, my apology wasn't acceptable to you. As far as ticoblunts, I remember you complimenting me about what I pointed out and you said that my questions were legit. And if you believe him, you still have alot to learn about growing. Then you tried to give me a moral lesson on how I should have approached him. LOL

If you don't like me, then stop trying to be like me. Stop copying what I do. I'm not even gonna bother to go into that cause I would have nothing good to say about that.

[TheGreenFog]

Ok, I don't want to get into a pissing contest with you, PassThat. But you are out of line. I answered your last post without being "defensive," very maturely and with the utmost respect. But now you are starting to piss me off. :mad:

You obviously have proven on more than one occasion that you do not fully read or pay attention before you start posting. I do NOT have a personal problem with you other than the fact that you are very accusatory and argumentative with people. A good example was the situation with Invision. I'm glad we got that cleared up and we could all be happy...for a moment. I never said your apology wasn't accepted, I just didn't post anything about it. I actally mentioned to a friend of mine that it was cool that you apologized.

I DID agree with your inquisition of ticoblunts simply because that was one of the most impeccable and compact grows I had seen, but I simply stated that you have a very aggressive way of asking people simple questions to clear stuff up. Obviously, ticoblunts was not happy with the way you approached him either. Whether I believe him or not, I'm not gonna fight about it.

As far as me wanting to BE like you, I don't even know what you're talking about. :confused:

Regarding your question in bold. I told you already, I answered that in the very first post of this thread. I made it even clearer in post #207, just one page ago. If you don't get it, I'm not surprised. If you can't read correctly, then how does anyone expect you to read between the lines. If you don't want to play along, you don't have to.

If you'd like to go back, re-read, maybe have a more observant friend explain it to you, then come back and apologize, I would surely accept your apology. You are one of the first people to post a reply on my thread and I consider you a friend. I just dont like to fight. Especially about stupid shit. And I dont like being accused of stuff either. I have no personal problem with you.

Maybe we can smoke a blunt/joint/bowl/bong together one day and everything will work itself out. :rasta: Mellow out man, you just killed my buzz. :upsidedow

Be cool.

TGF

[Pass That Shit]

Stop trying to sound like a nice guy. I know what you did. Stop hating. I think it's time for you to let it go.

[TheGreenFog]

Am I missing something here? Can someone please tell me what this guy is talking about?

:confused::confused::confused:

TGF

[TheGreenFog]

Ahhh. I think I just figured it out. LOLOL. You are mad cuz I made your star rating go down. haha Well, I thought it was funny. You had one vote, probably by yourself, of a 5 star rating to get people to look at your thread. I was a little ticked at you and I thought it was funny to vote a one star to bring your average down a little. What's funnier than that, is that when you voted MY thread a one-star in "revenge," you increased my rating from zero to 1 star! Brilliant! And you didn't seem to have any reply on what I said so I'll take your silence as a humble acceptance and quiet apology. Apology accepted. I'm feeling much better after smoking this bowl. :D

SO, time for some more pictures!

[Pass That Shit]

I have more respect for you now that you admitted what you did. Seriously, I'm over all of this. I'm not mad at you. Let's put this BS behind us. Peace

And by the way, I don't think you're allowed to vote on your own thread.

[TheGreenFog]

Ok, bro. No worries. It's cool. :)

Oh and btw, you can vote your own thread. I just voted mine to bring it up from one star to 3 too. LOL. I wasn't gonna do it, but since we were f*ckin' around, I decided to try to see if you could. And you can! lol

OK, guys. Got lotsa ground to make up. But its exciting sh*t. :D:D Can't wait. Let's get this show on the road!

Stay tuned to GreenFOG TV!!

TGF

:rasta: :D :rasta: :D :rasta: :D :rasta:

[bud breath420]

wow you to made up that was cool and all.... but lets keep this thing rolling cmon Tgf more pics!

[TheGreenFog]

Very well.

So, where were we?

Still DAY 83.

We're reorganizing things. I'm taking the 2' two-tube flouros down and putting them on the walls as side lighting. I am then installing 4-5 CFLs on the top. This will hopefully stop the plants from stretching so much and make them bush out a little.

TGF

[TheGreenFog]

Here are some more. And some pics of our second run of clones. :D

By the way, Plants on the left side are numbers 5, 10 and 11a. :D

[TheGreenFog]

We're also installing a new squirrel fan to help out with light. I dont know if I said before that we were using 2 inline fans rated at 250cfm, which were junk. We had one hooked up with a T to exhaust both compartments, and the other one was dedicated to exhausting the light. No go. Temps were still way up and we had to leave it open until we got this new fan. works like a charm...almost. It kicked the temp in the right side down from 99F to 86F but I'd like it to be a little lower. We only replaced the fan for the lamp. Gotta fix the rooms' exhaust fan now and it should pop it nicely down to 82 or so.

[TheGreenFog]

Got the bottom open a little for extra intake. It's almost fully closed up. :D

[TheGreenFog]

Still DAY 14 of flowering the test-clones. They're doing ok.

[TheGreenFog]

Burnt one of the flowering clones when it touched the CFL. Another one close to burnt. And a pic of the new set of clones. :D

[TheGreenFog]

Number 11a. The only one we are LSTing right now. I know it's kind of hard to see.

[TheGreenFog]

And that's the end of DAY 83. Up next DAY 86! :)

TGF

[TheGreenFog]

~DAY 86~

Checking in on our test-clones. They have been in flower for 17 days now. We originally said that we would flower them just to see the sex, and then throw them out due to their puny sizes, BUT I cannot tell a lie. We are going to flower them all the way through just to get some nice bud to smoke whilst we are waiting for our larger crop to dry, which has not yet even been flipped into flowering. We will be doing that today also.

I'm super excited about the nice looking tops that these things are developing. The hairs are coming out very nicely. The three on the left side that are still small are the 3 that we missed the first time around cloning. We are flowering them very early after rooting, but they're really just to show us what sex these three plants were:

10 (big plant in the left side), 11 (original thrown out, but we have a beautiful short top growing and LST'd), and 12 (thrown out suspected to be male and very spindly, but we still have a clone).

Let us know what you think! :D

TGF

[TheGreenFog]

More pics of the rubbermaid flowering box. Dont let your plants grow into your lights, they will burn. :( Its coming back slowly but surely. "Damn, youse an ugly bitch", but hey, I'll still SMOKE IT! Ping! hehe

TGF

The last pic are the 3 that we don't know the sex of yet...guess what? So far 2 of them (11 & 12) are confirmed FEMALE!! Only one more to go! Damn we's gots lotsa bitches!

[TheGreenFog]

~DAY 86~

Good news and bad news. :) :(

Ok, here's a look at our right-side, which I will now refer to as our "main flowering room," because what'dya know, we're gonna start flowering the 5 big plants we have in there!

Look at the one in the rear corner. #13. Sh*t, f*ck, damn. It's looking wierd. Yellowing leaves. Some getting brown and crumbly. Not good. What is it??? We dont know. Magnesium Def? Maybe. Phosphorous def? Probably not possible yet. Mosaic Tobacco Virus? Very possible :( We shall see. Luckily it's not affecting all the plants.

[TheGreenFog]

Couple more pics of the afflicted plant.

One wide shot of the main flowering room.

Look at these roots go! They were so READY to get out of those stupid plastic wrappings. They have exploded out into the hydroton. This has allowed the plant to bush out on top. We definitely learned something here. Don't let your roots get rootbound. I honestly knew about this but I didnt think ours were rootbound until I unbound the roots!! LOL

Well, reason we are taking them out like this is that we had them in that plastic tray covered with hydroton, but there was no drainage, we were simply watering them by hand. We will now install our Ebb & Flow (flood & drain) system. Wee hee. Auto watering is awesome.

So to install this system, we must completely remove all of the 5 plants and the hydroton, clean it out, install drainage, cut some holes, etc. I will show you in the upcoming pics. WHAT A ROOTBALL!

*packing a bowl, sparking it up....mmmm*
:rasta:

TGF

[TheGreenFog]

Gotta install the ebb & flow system.
Drill holes into planter,
install drain spouts,
make hole in wood for drain spouts,
cut out intake holes to provide more intake.

The last thing on that list was done because our negative pressure was too high and we had to leave a flap of the door open to provide extra intake. Now we shouldn't. It's not pretty, but I dont have a jigsaw. :)

TGF

[TheGreenFog]

Couple more pics of the afflicted plant. :(

Putting the plants back in the main flowering room. I have put the plants in different positions. The afflicted plant (#13) is int he front-most corner now so I can keep an eye on her. I have also tried to give each plant the most room possible to grow, while still keeping the high number (5) of plants in there. :D Also, topped it off with some more hydroton. :D

Oh by the way, this reminds me, before we put them back in and stuff. We did test our ebb & flow system and it drains PAINFULLY slow, but works. It fills pretty damn slow too. We might get a larger pump to fill faster but I dont think that will increase the drainage time. Hmm? Well it works for now. Just fill for 15 mins, then drain for 15-20 mins. Twice a day. Any questions?

TGF

[TheGreenFog]

Here is the left side, from now on just to be called our veg room. We have our mother plant, Mambo #5 in there in the back. We have #10, sex still undetermined in there. We also have our beautiful #11a, a top from plant #11 that we have tried to keep as short and compact as possible. If you remember, we performed LST on her a little while ago. She's taking to it just fine, it seems.

TGF

Oh, and if you look at pic #3, that is a pic of some heat damage on Mambo #5. Damn, I though CFLs were supposed to be cool! :mad:

Note: we did change our CFLs from 23 watters to 42 watters. to try to keep the plants down. This might have (well, for sure has) affected the plants.

[TheGreenFog]

Second run of clones. Most of these came off of the 3 plants that we did not know the sex of at the time. That would be #10, #11, & #12. We also have a couple #6s up there since we cloned it and ditched the original runt of a plant. It looked horrible. Onward!

Look at those roots man! WHOOOO. Thems some vigorous plants. Someone said cloning was hard?? I cant seem to kill one. ;)

TGF

[TheGreenFog]

We've transplanted all the small rockwool cubes into their new, bigger homes. We are also attempting to FIM!!! I honestly dont completely know how to do it, but from what I understand, you just "pinch" off the top new growth, less than full topping. Well, I did it. I think to plant #11b or something. I also topped a couple other ones. They're overflow and I really dont have a place to put them, so they are my experimental clones. :D

pic #3 & #4 are the attempts at FIMing. I dunno. We'll see. If anything, it'll be topped. LOL.

Off goes the humidome. Closer come the lights.

TGF