LED growing- An instructional grow log

[bombdiggity]

bubblelicious is dong amazing btw, thanks for asking! :thumbsup:

[SnSstealth]

oh yeeeeeah....making canna-peanut butter balls for tomorrow!!! gonna only smoke a bowl or 2 today too!!!....
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whiskeytango

[physicsnole]

mmm save me a couple:jointsmile:

[BlueBong]

Have a few for me tomorrow.. I'll probably be staying dry intentionally unless I get hurt again working around the house today.

[DoDoFoShoDoe]

Keep up the patience! hope mine end up half as nice as yours!

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[cheapguy]

thanks cheap guy....age in the title of that post...lol, they are at day 52 bloom.
WT

ouch a little too stoned i guess lol it's all good

[SnSstealth]

lol...tis good, you guy have GOT to check this out...especially if you like throwdown...funniest shit Ive seen in a while....
oh, and instead of PB balls, I make canna-PB, honeynut cheerio covered in melted choc. chip....bars...lol dunno what to call em, but they taste SO good..recipe if anyone wants it...bio on them
tomorrow...lol

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whiskeytango

YouTube - Teenage Mutant Hardcore Turtles (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxigNvJxGn4)

[seaofgreen79]

SO WHAT WAS YOUR YIELD? I WAS KINDA OF THINKING ABOUT USEING ONE OF THIS IN A VEG TENT AND USE A 600HPS FOR A FLOWERING HOW STUIPED OF A IDEA WOULD THIS BE? I'M NEW TO GROWING AND WAS JUST THINKING IT WOULD HELP WITH MY SPACE LIMITS AND MY ELECTRICITY BILL TO

[GreenLeaf420]

SO WHAT WAS YOUR YIELD?

What up Sns I was going to ask the same Question what was the final? How many total made it till the end and how many under each LED?

:thumbsup::jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile:

[BlueBong]

Since I don't see them online right now, I'll attempt an answer.

I believe they have a couple more weeks to go on the rest of the plants, and that what was harvested was one of the "problem children".

[HerbalConfusion]

Hit me up on Xbox whenever i didnt realize u reped me asking for my GT. I repped u back with it.

[SnSstealth]

SOG...easy on the caps...lol
thanks blue!!!
GL...we have maybe 10 days-2 weeks left, 4 girls made it....harvest looks like it will be NICE...in comparison to the ones that were affected by the Ph issues...i.e. "problem children".....lol
HAPPY 420 all!!!!!
:Smokebong:
whiskeytango

[marijuanavillebilly]

all i can say is "WOW." :thumbsup:
Ky needs more sophisticated growers like you! :)
i would love to just sit down and talk to a "True" cannaisseur and maby share a joint. :jointsmile:

[Rock.Steady]

wow, nice job SNS:thumbsup:

[Tomatoesonly]

SO WHAT WAS YOUR YIELD? I WAS KINDA OF THINKING ABOUT USEING ONE OF THIS IN A VEG TENT AND USE A 600HPS FOR A FLOWERING HOW STUIPED OF A IDEA WOULD THIS BE? I'M NEW TO GROWING AND WAS JUST THINKING IT WOULD HELP WITH MY SPACE LIMITS AND MY ELECTRICITY BILL TO


This would be my thoughts right now.
There is a guy on Youtube that compared the UFO LED array to a 400W side by side grow. The 80 watt UFO kept up in veg. just fine. It was in flowering that things fell apart. The UFO is inferior to the Procyon, so I'm not sure how that test would go if Procyon was used instead.
People I've heard about are also in the same boat, more space than energy they want to use. So getting accurate feedback on these new LED arrays is really important.

[SnSstealth]

This would be my thoughts right now.
There is a guy on Youtube that compared the UFO LED array to a 400W side by side grow. The 80 watt UFO kept up in veg. just fine. It was in flowering that things fell apart. The UFO is inferior to the Procyon, so I'm not sure how that test would go if Procyon was used instead.
People I've heard about are also in the same boat, more space than energy they want to use. So getting accurate feedback on these new LED arrays is really important.

Yo,

yeah, that vid has all sorts of problems. any grower would have gotten much better results with both lights. hightimes did some that resulted much better. and the ufo's forward wattage is really 60-65, so yeah im sure the procyon 100 would do better.:thumbsup:

I absolutely would advise anyone wanting to grow with low power usage to use a procyon(or 2, or 3, or....). we'll have some hard numbers for you guys to crunch in a week or two. all of the girls making it to the end(ph issue fixed), are getting taller and fatter by the day:D

thanks for your interest:thumbsup:

hey rock n billy,
thanks for checkin in, passin it over happy 4:20:joint1:

db:smokin:

[SnSstealth]

These were fucking DANK! got ripped too:jointsmile:
finally a canna-cooking gone right, and the taste good as hell!!
just made the concentrate (thanks flameon, WH, stinky..) with coconut oil, 5g ground nug, PB, and honey nut cheerios. mixed the oil and PB and cheerios, stuck in the fridge in a casserole dish, melted a bag o chocolate chips, poured on top and let sit over night in fridge...good 6 hour buzz...tried going fishing, you can guess how that worked....lol
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[dgsgandalf]

Definitely, if they had the volume discount when i ordered im sure youd be reading the 4 procyon grow...lol:thumbsup:

Dude, if you're serious about that, you should call them and tell them your situation. Just like when the Iphone went down on price, everyone who had bought one for $600 went back to the store and got $200 dollars back. They might just hook you up and give you the fourth Procyon for $200.

It's definitely worth a try!

Peace!

[TheFanLeft]

Man Stealths, those treats look as tasty as your nugs! I agree with dgsgandalf, you should see if they'll hook you up with a 4th light with the discount included if you got the space for one...an ad in HT costs thousands, and you've done that for free, well, you actually paid them. And it doesn't look like they're money grubbing jerk-offs, they could be selling them for the above retail price that procyondepot place is, with no volume discounts.

no harm in asking...and pass me a cheeriopeanutbuttery choco treat please. mmmmm

[Readytoride08]

I don't know if anyone has told you................YOUR DA SHIT!Man I wanted to grow under L.E.D. but that cost of it jeez.If I was you,mabye you could build kits and sell them over Ebay or the internet!Your buds look great...I can taste them from here :D.

[SnSstealth]

man, I feel drained today....lol, heavy intake o cannabis yesterday...lol
ladies look GREAT!!!! for you nay-sayers, the plants are 24-16in respectively, so of course I am not gonna get 4 oz. a plant...
anyway....the yield looks like it is going to be almost double per plant as the 2 we took down already...so the Ph problem got the other ones worse than I thought....good...
3rd pic is one of the frostiest plants I have ever grown, if you cant see it, Ill do a macro shot later...but the resin is out on the fan leaves!! and it COVERS the leaflets coming out of the buds....10 days tops I say.....
enjoy!!!
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[DoDoFoShoDoe]

a couple close shots would be nice!

what did you use to increase resin production if u used anything at all?

[Magoo2003]

Looks beautiful man keep up the good work. Hes useing LED lights which i read increase resin production(DoDoFoShoDoe). Couple questions (SnS)maybe you cant answer till harvest but you can estimate now?

How much in your opinion is 1 procyon capable of producing in a harvest?

How high above your cannapy do you put the procyons?

Thanks

[SnSstealth]

read back a bit magoo....its all in there...lol
WT

[veggii]

Hey guys, Looking good ;) I bet ur sooo........ stoked!!

[DoDoFoShoDoe]

I am aware of the resin production capabilities of the LEDs and im shocked if no nutes were added for additional resin because those plants are completely frosted!



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[SnSstealth]

fed them cha-ching! once or twice...thats all the resin help they have had...for some reason, unknown to us all still...LEDs produce much higher resin than HIDs...high times said that, and even admitted to not knowing why!!...lol, who cares why!! i dont care why it works, I am happy with it....getting VERY excited about LED Grow II!! got some SUPER DANK beans...gonna SOG most of the room this time, and try SCROG on the rest....had to do a "standard" run first go around, that way we get a SOLID base on what these lights can do...now its playtime with the room!!! woo-hoo...well, almost playtime....about a week to go........
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whiskeytango

[DoDoFoShoDoe]

nice im gonna have to look out for that stuff.

Im really looking forward to the 2nd go round, from what youve learned about growing with LEDs i have full confidence that your grows are going to get more and more successful every time!

keep up the good work and i am looking forward to harvest

toke on

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[sweetgreenbuds]

hey sns
firstly thank you for your time and effort, i know it can be a pain posting but you have provided inspiration for many including my self as i've been in the process of getting a light manufactured. consists of a total of 90 leds all of which are luxeon rebels except for 20 ledengin 660nm leds. the lamp will be putting out about 200w acros 9 spectrums. anyway i wont clutter up my thread with my details but im starting up my own thread so please stop by and try pass on some of that pioneering knowlage. cheers and best of luck pluckin those super frosty nugs:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[DoDoFoShoDoe]

Have you ever thought of investing in light movers? from what ive read light movers significantly increase the average yield.

I see that you have some of the lights lower than others but if you start with the movers from seed im sure the canopy will be nice and even. Try to find a cheap system or you could probably make one yourself and you would have the absolute best setup!

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[SnSstealth]

we were already looking to attach them to a rail....good idea:thumbsup:
WT

[DoDoFoShoDoe]

Awesome! im glad to see you are multiple steps ahead of me lol

[bots1947]

hello iam bots
iam from holland and iam doing an 90w led grow my second one
first with 4 seedplants on a home made earoponics systeem and now the second time 9clones
i have started to work my way thrue this toppic sofar i liked what i saw
is it oke for showing my foto[s]:D
the led light it,s the ufo red and bleu 69/11 630nm/470
for my new grow i shoped for UV leds and some white one also i found the 5w 660nm [finaly] and cheap if i maysay
bey for now i will be back with pic,s :thumbsup:
keep growing

[bombdiggity]

frosty the snowman

edit: snowoman?

[Greenthing]

hello iam bots
iam from holland and iam doing an 90w led grow my second one
first with 4 seedplants on a home made earoponics systeem and now the second time 9clones
i have started to work my way thrue this toppic sofar i liked what
i saw
[QUOTE]is it oke for showing my foto[s]
You need to make 50 posts before you can post photographs bots.
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Sorry for butting in but i am still waching these posts whith interest.
Still lurking.:thumbsup:

[phatsesh101]

sorry stealth i like led and what youve done and am seriously contemplating buying some procyons mainly for energy purpose but your trich production is only slightly above average for jh, to me alot of people dont have much growing experiance or grow alot of bunk shit. most top notch stuff i grow is close to trich production as what youve shown and has been done with hids. although compared to total energy (money) spent, slightly better at a lower cost is great and congratulations and im sure thers alot more trichs than the camera shows cause my pics only show half the trichs i see in person on my plants

[SnSstealth]

maybe its the camera....dunno, how many times have you grown JH? i have been growing JH for a while...many harvests, and this is easily more resin production, if you got better results, and had resin on the outer edges of your FAN leaves with HIDs, then i salute you..not sure what you are trying to say, but high times, other LED growers and myself, cant all be wrong...LEDs do produce more resin...Ill try some close-ups for ya
WT

[Melskid]

My buds are getting a lot of resin on them from just the two weeks I have had them under my Procyon 100 I can't wait to see the end product. It seems to be getting more resin toward the bottom of the plants and working it's way up the plants. They were budding when I ordered my lamp a month and a half earlier so I'm anxious to see just what comes with a full grow under my light from start to finish.

[physicsnole]

pics!!!!

[turmoil]

Stealth

Do your plants smell as strong as they did with HID's. I find with CLF's that the plants don't give off such a strong smell as with HID, and am wondering how the LEDs are.

I'm thinking maybe it's the radiant heat from the HID that makes them more fragrant?

[SnSstealth]

ok....day 58 flower...in response to my "slightly above average" resin production claim...I give you my lil 16in JH x BB, that will give me over an ounce easy count them, NINE tops!....I will leave it up to you guys to tell me if this is "average"...please let me know your opinions, I have been growing with JH for some years now, and have never seen resin like this...only off of VERY few special plants...imagine if I had the LEDs when they were around.....
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whiskeytango

never had to tie up a 16in plant before either...so much for sub par yeilds with LEDs as well as far as I am concerned....

[SnSstealth]

Stealth

Do your plants smell as strong as they did with HID's. I find with CLF's that the plants don't give off such a strong smell as with HID, and am wondering how the LEDs are.

I'm thinking maybe it's the radiant heat from the HID that makes them more fragrant?

I definitely notice you cant smell them barely at all...we havent even turned on the ozone generator yet... I believe its from the fact that the girls transpire (sweat) alot less under these lights, yes...from the lack of heat...thats the reason you water alot less as well....less heat, power, smell, bugs...more resin, decent yeild...well, Im sold...
:WT

[phatsesh101]

sorry i stand corrected, your resin production matches my white strains under an hid ww wr. and there bred to look that way. you do have very nice resin production.

have you heard of icing the roots at harvest?
a buddy of mine said that he learned a trick from the grower at the dispensary that pushes the resins out.

how much longer look like 2-3 weeks from your pistols?

[SnSstealth]

i have heard of icing....not sure how i would do that in soil though...i give em the last 3 days dark, with a huge nail driven throught the base of the stalk....
i am a sadist at the end:stoned:

i figured the pics were shitty the first time, and they STILL dont look quite like they do live....Ill try macro shots next time:thumbsup:
imagine if i threw a WR in there phat?!
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[Opie Yutts]

with a huge nail driven throught the base of the stalk....


What's the theory behind this? Is this supposed to produce more resin since the plant is being stressed? And have you ever done a side by side comparison of nail driving and not driving nails?

[Weedhound]

I'd skip the nailing.

LOVELY buds Stealth. Opie is right though....the only way to really know is side by side.

Those buds fucking ROCK! :thumbsup:

[SnSstealth]

never did a comparison with w/out nial...just something i have always done, taught to me by an uncle who grew for YEARS, he did it to his outdoor plants...yeah opie, supposedly it stresses them into producing a lil more resin...dont know if it truely works, but it doesn't hurt either..we are only talking 3-4 days...
thanks WH!!

[phatsesh101]

i have tryed different lighting and angles and no pic has ever done justice as to what the plant looks like in person so im sure they look much better in person.

i plan on getting a proc for my summer grows should really help with cooling cost since ill be having to bring my grow room indoors for temp purposes and maybe well get to see it on a white strain.

my buddy said he gets a five gallon bucket fills it with ice and a lil water and stirs it till it gets really cold and and flushes his soiless evry ten minutes or so just before he pulls, and it takes him about an hour, but he says the cold contricts the roots and forces out all the resins, says yuo can actually see it happen, i havnt tried it but plan to at next harvest.

[HerbalConfusion]

Type compact sog with cfl in google then hit im feeling lucky it wont let me rep u so i give it to u this way. Figure if i post the link it will get removed.

lineage of strain :

Haze x NL#5 (Seed Bank 1988)....female was chosen for potency(That Bitch took 21 weeks to finish)
Hash Plant Pure(Seed Bank 1988).....Male with 1/4" nodes and Sisters with a 7 week finish
Jamaica II (89 trip) & III (90 Trip)
M48-Haze x Durban Poison (S.S.S.C.1991)
DJ Shorts Blueberry..... Male added by accident (and it was a good one)
C88 for weight
I'm almost done with her .....it's almost time to cube and make some seeds


I was wrong skunk was not the basis for the strain.

[PopsSoCal]

..i give em the last 3 days dark, with a huge nail driven throught the base of the stalk....

:smokebong:
whiskeytango


Dude.... I was doing this same thing when I did my first Hydro-grow in 1977...:thumbsup::smokin:

[SnSstealth]

hell yeah pops!!

wow, 7 negative reps on the thread...I must be doing something right...
WT

[PopsSoCal]

i have heard of icing....not sure how i would do that in soil though...i give em the last 3 days dark, with a huge nail driven throught the base of the stalk....
i am a sadist at the end:stoned:

i figured the pics were shitty the first time, and they STILL dont look quite like they do live....Ill try macro shots next time:thumbsup:
imagine if i threw a WR in there phat?!
:smokebong:
whiskeytango


hell yeah pops!!

wow, 7 negative reps on the thread...I must be doing something right...
WT

I just wanted to say I read back a little and wanted to add that the nail job does work, I have done side by side between 9 plants, I wont get into details on the control group is of 3 x 3 x 3 and at different stages each but at the time of harvest only 3 had a nail in the base of ea.(1 plant ea.) control group and did show better results.
I wanted to ask you about this idea with one Procyon in a 4x4 grow tent Discount Hydroponics - Light Rail 3.5 (http://www.discount-hydro.com/productdisp.php?pid=242&navid=46)

[Opie Yutts]

my buddy said he gets a five gallon bucket fills it with ice and a lil water and stirs it till it gets really cold and and flushes his soiless evry ten minutes or so just before he pulls, and it takes him about an hour, but he says the cold contricts the roots and forces out all the resins, says yuo can actually see it happen, i havnt tried it but plan to at next harvest.

What do you mean "you can see it happen"? Do you see roots getting smaller or resin oozing out of bud sites, or what? I remain skeptical on this one. Again, you really would need a side by side comparison to see if it works. Did your buddy do this or hear about it being done? Has anyone else done this, or heard that it works? I don't understand how constricting roots will squeeze out resin. As far as I know there is no resin in the roots, or even inside the plant, and I don't think a plant really makes a lot of resin in one hour. Anyone?
:wtf::what:

[Opie Yutts]

hell yeah pops!!

wow, 7 negative reps on the thread...I must be doing something right...
WT

This kinda makes me angry. I don't understand why someone would neg rep you after you simply show us what you are doing with LEDs. Even if they disagree with you or get mad, that's not a reason to give someone negative rep. I haven't seen you guys say anything too controversial or idiotic. I certainly appreciate all your time and effort it takes to share with us, and I'd positive rep you again if I could.

I'd love to hear from those who neg repped you. Please defend your position to help me understand, as long as that's OK with the SnS crew.

[Opie Yutts]

I just wanted to say I read back a little and wanted to add that the nail job does work, I have done side by side between 9 plants, I wont get into details on the control group is of 3 x 3 x 3 and at different stages each but at the time of harvest only 3 had a nail in the base of ea.(1 plant ea.) control group and did show better results.


Wow. I still am skeptical, but I suppose it wouldn't hurt to try it on a couple plants and compare for myself.

I've just always thought that anything you do to a plant that causes stress is detrimental to development. Seems like if I had a spike shoved through my abdomen it would be somewhat stressful.

[SnSstealth]

it should be stressful...do it the last 3 days opie...but if you just fed, it will suck ALOT of water up into the plant...longer drying time...
WT

[Greenthing]

it should be stressful...do it the last 3 days opie...but if you just fed, it will suck ALOT of water up into the plant...longer drying time...
WT

Hi SnSstealth,
How can you tell if a plant has produced more resin than it would have if you did not nail the stem ?
I believe you can not compare one plant to another as no two plants are the same, they are individual's for example no two plants have the same amount of resin, buds, or even give the yield.

My regards to your ladies they are looking good.:thumbsup:

[SnSstealth]

thanks for chiming in green!!! i can tell because i have been working with my strain for sometime...the father got killed, so i lost it...(sniff) but hey, Ill make a better one:thumbsup:
anyway, being that i have seen JH for years, even more so, my JH that i have been tweaking, I know that its more...and you cant really tell for minute differences, but this isnt minute, so i can REALLY tell...lol I still dont have a SOLID theory as to why LEDs produce more resin, but I am definitely not the only one to notice it, hell, high times even said something about it. But like them, i dont know why, and I am not gonna spew my theories, because thats all they are now...thanks for your interest!!!
LED grow II......coming SOON!!...maybe something along the blue, something purple...NO i know!!! something blue AND purple....heh
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

check this out and tell me what you guys think...in there of course...lol
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

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[phatsesh101]

he says he does it, although i too believe it sounds kind of far out.
supposedly that plant seems to frost over, but ive also noticed that my trichs change in appearance with temp, when its colder there looks like there is more

[CBDTHCCBN]

me here too...

[SnSstealth]

me here too...

:wtf:

[HerbalConfusion]

:wtf:

Me here too...

[Greenthing]

Many thank's for the reply SnSstealth,
Well as you are a man of more experience than i, will nail some of mine and see what happens.
Keep the faith and good luck in all you do.:thumbsup:

[dgsgandalf]

I agree with the ideas that "spiking" your plants in the last 3 or 4 days would increase resin production. It is proven that stressing your plants produces more resin, but it typically reduces the overall harvest weight. If you "spike" them a few days before harvest, you're not sacrificing any weight (the buds are already full grown) but you are inducing the plant to produce more resin.

As far as icing the roots goes, i believe that the liquid in the roots might be pushed into the plant, but the truth is that the roots don't have any THC in them. It might increase your harvest weight a little bit, but it's not going to make your buds any more potent.

Hey guys, i had a question in my outdoor thread about when to top and no one seems to be hitting my post. Could one of you experts plz check that out for me and let me know what's up?

[Opie Yutts]

Hey guys, i had a question in my outdoor thread about when to top and no one seems to be hitting my post. Could one of you experts plz check that out for me and let me know what's up?

link me.

[Opie Yutts]

Hi SnSstealth,
How can you tell if a plant has produced more resin than it would have if you did not nail the stem ?
I believe you can not compare one plant to another as no two plants are the same, they are individual's for example no two plants have the same amount of resin, buds, or even give the yield.

Actually two plants are exactly the same if they are clones from the same mother. There are many things that can affect the development of identical clones however. That's why the scientific community usually recommends that for horticultural comparisons to be accurate you need about 50 identical clones in each group. Some say 20 would do but that's about the bare minimum. There is a possibility of too many variations within specific plants and other conditions, for tests with less plants to be taken seriously. This makes sense to me, so when someone tells me they've done a side by side study with a total of 8 plants or something I keep my ears open but remain a little skeptical.

So there are two ways I will tend to find likely something that makes no sense. One way is by competent scientific comparisons, and the other is by pertinent perceived experiences. A personal experience cannot be wrong, so if someone tells me he's worked with a strain for years, then tried something different that produced different results, I have to believe them until I see reason not to.

[Greenthing]

Actually two plants are exactly the same if they are clones from the same mother. There are many things that can affect the development of identical clones however. That's why the scientific community usually recommends that for horticultural comparisons to be accurate you need about 50 identical clones in each group. Some say 20 would do but that's about the bare minimum. [QUOTE]There is a possibility of too many variations within specific plants and other conditions, for tests with less plants to be taken seriously.
Hi Opie Yutts, thats what i was trying to say in my post but you have put the point across so much better than i have.
I have read a lot of your posts and you do seem to have a way with words Cheers.:thumbsup:

[SnSstealth]

So there are two ways I will tend to find likely something that makes no sense. One way is by competent scientific comparisons, and the other is by pertinent perceived experiences. A personal experience cannot be wrong, so if someone tells me he's worked with a strain for years, then tried something different that produced different results, I have to believe them until I see reason not to.

thanks opie!!!
WT

[hatch]

UUUUHUUHHHHHHUUUUHU???????? High, How is the Weather???????

Ya'll Have Done a GREAT JOB, :jointsmile::jointsmile:I Don't Give a Fuck What the Hater's Say,:thumbsup::thumbsup: They can smell the Smoke when Ya'll Blaze The Killer:stoned::stoned::stoned:

I think I Read???? Ya'll Used LED'S In Her?????HAHAHAHAHAHA

:pimp::pimp::pimp:

[dgsgandalf]

link me.

Hey Opie, the link is in my sig. Check it out if you have a sec. I'm always looking for new ideas and good advice!

[SnSstealth]

well, here she is drying, my WH-mini me....lol
from soil to highest cola, she was 16in...I am guessing 20-25g....
but mmmmmmm....this stuff smells SO good...and look at that resin!!
oh yeah,....LEDs will never perform like HIDs, or produce more resin... 3/4 off a 16in plant is pretty damn comparable to an HID, yes?

HOPEFULLY a bio-assay mon....I turn 30...woo-hoo!...(sigh..)

:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[KingKronic420]

damn those buds look great.

glad to see the LED's working well.

[Greenthing]

Nice Photo's even better bud, those lovely resin glands all over her, well done i am drooling all over nice one you Guy's.:thumbsup:

[redline]

Congrats, job well done.
Any estimate yet on total yield? How many plants did you have going?

[PopsSoCal]

Hey SnS I wanted to ask you about the spots you were getting? did they go away? What did you do to take care of it? I think I am getting the same thing. And not sure what to do? any Sugg.?
Thx
Pops
:(

[Opie Yutts]

Good weed. Stay. Dry. Now roll over into my pipe.

Cool clips on the hanger idea. What's the fishing swivel for?

[BlueBong]

Hey SnS I wanted to ask you about the spots you were getting? did they go away? What did you do to take care of it? I think I am getting the same thing. And not sure what to do? any Sugg.?
Thx
Pops
:(

Since SnS is offline right now, I'll try and cover that question:

http://boards.cannabis.com/plant-problems/154780-yellow-spots-fox-farm-nutes.html

I believe that was the discussion he branched off for it a page or two back. I skimmed it briefly, but I'm in outer space at the moment so for all I know it could be spoilers for season 4 of Doctor Who..

[SnSstealth]

you saw that opie?....lol, i start drying by using a leader and swivel weight, hanging the whole plant...in case it spins a lil in the breeze, then after a few days..when the outside of the nugs are dry, i clip branches ang go coat hanger style:jointsmile:....the little clips even clip to the hanger too!! get em at the wal mart for like3 bucks a dz...

redline...5 plants under 2 ft....about 90g total...i would definitely say comparable to a 600HPS...IMHO,,,, g/w/month will be better measured next grow...didnt want to sacrifice too many plants to experimentation...lol, now i know i can fill the closet with the 3 procyons...

blue, thanks for the link, I made that thread a: to get that topic out of this room...lol b. i thought it deserved a thread, seems to be happening to more people lately using FF.

:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

wow......definitely a good med here... the nug kept most of the JH traits as far as the high goes....but after a nice 2hrs of a soaring cerebral high...the BB kicks in and a mad dash to the fridge is next...followed by a nice nap...My wife, Db, and I toked 2 bowls this morning....and didnt feel the need to rip another for about 3 1/2 hrs...good shit man...cant give ya too much on the taste, not cured..this sample is just 4 days dry...still overpowering..almost like a lavender/melon kinda taste...and quite smooth...I am sure it will only get better with curing...
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[Greenthing]

Sounds like you done it right and had a great time, more to come SnSstealth, its great when you reap what you sow.
Nice one enjoy.:thumbsup::);)

[stinkyattic]

I'm glad to see that the LED grow can officially be considered a success. To the doubters... phtttttbt!

So. The neg rep thing. What's up with that? If we are having problems with rep system abuse, those need to be dealt with. If anyone has something to say on that account, my email is in my sig.

[malkir]

I wonder if the LED UFO has any comparable results...anyone ever try it?

[d4twamp]

hey sns crew,

nice resin production... I too would have to say just looking at your pics, and following the thread for the last couple few months it's a SUCCESS... thanks for dropping that guap tooexpiriment with LED's, I know it's an expensive endeavor but youv'e beyond a shadow of a doubt that LED's can perform...

as for the whole nail trick I too know a grower that swears by it. but he does a HOT NAIL, he heats the nail till it's red hot then shoves it in the stalk, but he does it at the time of harvest... I
know another grower who dunks the root ball into a boiling pot of water at the time of harvest... and they both swear it increases the resin in the final product.. haven't tried it on my sh*t yet but plan to try it on some when I harvest...

And this is directed to the manufacturers of the procyon 100 the ones who profited in a major way off of the exsposure and sales that Doughboy and Whiskey Tango have brought to your company... I say to you think of what these two guys have done for your bussiness, come on GIVE THESE GUYS EACH, 3 MORE PROCYON 100's and see what it'll do for your bottom line after their 2nd led grow...

sorry for the lengthy post I'm just a writer by nature...

thanks again for letting us all come along for the ride...

later D:S5:

[DoDoFoShoDoe]

Read about em in high times, okay but judging by stealth's grow id go procyon for sure! :thumbsup:


Let me get some of that! haha nugs are looking delicious, hope you enjoy the hard and well earned smoke

dodo

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[SnSstealth]

down to the last 2 girls....the biggest, and frostiest so far...to those who wonder if LEDs grow quality nug.....well, :jointsmile: the bigger girl, with my hand for scale is a 24in plant....the other is 22in....EASY 2oz...you tell me if LEDs work. They are plumped up quite nice, you can see each fat ass calyx...but I think they can still go a few more days....opinion's?
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[stinkyattic]

I can see clear trichs even in the pictures, and am going to guesstimate you are about 2 weeks from harvest. You will get a lot of bulk in that time. I hope you aren't flushing yet- your hairs are still mostly white.

[SnSstealth]

i flushed....but it they needed one anyway...thanks for checkin in:thumbsup: definitely gonna let them go a little longer than a few days then...(pssst...your email is full, wont take messages) Guess i am in too much of a hurry to want to start this new stuff:jointsmile:..."thank you master, I will exercise more patience.."

and the rock-biter reference was never ending story blue....legend was a very close call though...:D

:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[stinkyattic]

Try again. I cleaned out the inbox yesterday afternoon. I'm still curious...

[Weedhound]

Got some real crusty beauties there Stealth! Good job! :thumbsup:

[Opie Yutts]

I think they can still go a few more days....opinion's?

It's all in the trichomes and what kind of high you want. Hairs make no difference except to give you a rough idea based on past experiences. You can gage by the hairs, but only if you know what trichomes are present at a certain hair color. If you're not sure, why don't you harvest some now, in one week and two weeks, and be sure to note clear/amber percentage. Then next time you'll know for sure how many days it takes to get how you like it, as long as most situations remain the same. If possible I like to have some clear and some heavily amber around. Clear in the morning, amber at night.

I'm very happy for you guys. Glad results are good.

[zebulon]

Beautiful plants WT....real nice....:thumbsup: If i saw only a pic of that plant, it would be real hard for me to believe that it was grow whit leds....but i saw it whit my own eyes, and this really works.... Thanks for this great log WT & Db....nice work....:jointsmile:


Guess i am in too much of a hurry to want to start this new stuff:jointsmile:...
What kind of new stuff are you talking about???:D

[Greenthing]

Nice one SnSstealth,
They look delicious and i am sure they are as potent as they look.
Bet they blow your socks off.:thumbsup:

[SnSstealth]

opie......great ideas...i guess good minds....well, you know...lol
the one we chopped out the other day was for that very reason...and we have a SOARING head high right now...so I am assuming we can go longer...i got a damn bad ass cam, bought macro lenses, and my hypo-manic ass cant stay still enough to get a shot of the trichs to check em...stinkys got an eye, (thanks!) and the trichs look maybe 60% cloudy at most...cant even see any amber....so maybe a weekish it is...
zeb....SHHHH its a secret...LOL, still trying to decide what to run in the LEDs next...definitely gonna be a more indica based strain...and either SOG, or SCROG......soon we shall see.....
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[Trainwreck024]

please scrog :thumbsup:, i really wanna see how the Procyon does in a scrog setup.
also are there any plans to do a single Procyon grow to see how well they grow with just one light?

[SnSstealth]

probably gonna do both:jointsmile:
WT

[SnSstealth]

heh......I am so ripped right now..
anyways, just wanted to let you guys know that LED Grow II strains have been decided.
3/4 of the room will be Plan B Smashberry F2 in a SOG, and the other 1/4 will be SNLxNH attempt SCROG.
woo-hoo.......
Soon as these last 2 girls wanna finish............yes stinky, I will wait for them too, no more early pickin!....lol
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[phatsesh101]

your plants look like they have at least two weeks of getting fatter and building cannabiniods. touching trichomes will crack them and cause them to turn amber and may be confused with degredation but that generally wont start until your pistols are atleast 90% tinged.

your more than two months into flower i would guess you have a 12 week sativa dominant plant which should be a good head high no matter what stage its pulled but your only cheating your self by pulling early the quetion i guess should be

how high do you want to get

i just did twelve weeks on some gdp that looked like yours after 2 months i thought it would never finish so i pulled one to test and in two weeks of being ready it doubled in weight and strength. i know your eager to start rd 2 i would be too but please take one ALL THE WAY please if not for the sake of more stronger better bud than for the science and the experiment get a good weight figure.

[SnSstealth]

i hear ya phat...i guess it wouldn't be fair to the experiment, as I wont get an accurate yield..So wait I shall.....possibly 2oz on that 2ft..a concept i can deal with.....:jointsmile:
whiskeytango

[jaGerbom]

hey great grow sns...i enjoyed readin the log. cant wait to see the sog/scrog setups. one of my dreams is to do a scrog grow haha.

[phatsesh101]

i like the fat nugs all the way down mine usually get thinner

but it kindof looks like it s stretched like an all hps grow do they seem stretched to u compared to your other grows

[SnSstealth]

only one plant stretched....I actually thought the rest were quite compact...
WT

[SnSstealth]

they just keep getting bigger!! I would say another week to go...maybe 10 days....they are OOZING with resin now...literally...the bud leafs are COVERED in resin in many places...

for the next grow we are adding a portable A/C in the room...and there are talks of us getting hooked up from the light guys!!! thanks for all you guys comments on that....lol
the SNLxNH may be LST as opposed to SCROG...unless we can figure out how to SCROG part of the room, since the rest will be a SOG...we'll figure it out....
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[stinkyattic]

Watch out SnS... F2s don't do well in a SCROG setup if you are running from seed- that's the generation that has a lot of variability. I'd keep a favorite mom and take cuts instead.

[SnSstealth]

that exactly what I am doing stinks, gonna germ maybe 6 of the smash, and take clones of all of em BEFORE i induce, throw out the male clones, keep one of each while flowering the rest of the clones, picking the mommy!!! I cant wait...great minds and stuff...lol
the F2s are SOG...the SNLxNH is SCROG or LST...

[stinkyattic]

The beauty of that strain is in the incredible berry smell of it. I'd germ them ALL, cull the runts after 2 weeks, pick the mother based on sturdiness and structure, because I expect you will find a few weaklings, and the strain doesn't impress me with its structure. I'm about to flower out and retire the mommy plant I hold of that line now that she is backed up in seed form. Can't wait for the nuggage, though! *drool

[Opie Yutts]

Scrogging part of a room could be pretty easy. Lots of options. You could put each plant on 3 wheels and make a screen attached to the platform. Then you could roll them around instead of lugging them. There's at least one thread in here where someone did that. Don't use poultry netting. The fencing that has 2x3" holes is much better for a bunch of reasons.

[DoDoFoShoDoe]

Your plants are looking amazing, they really are plumping up more that i thought i cant wait to see em in 10 days!

Looking forward to your 2nd LED grow, you mention light movers? are you still doing that or waiting for the grow after?

dodo


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[Magoo2003]

SNS im just wondering the strain your growing how many weeks is the flower period on it? Thanks

Also wondering if now maybe you can estimate how much each procyon is capable of producing? thanks for doing this. NIce pics and keep up the good work. Are you going to do an LED SOG log next? good luck

[SnSstealth]

55-75 days

almost magoo. the harvest date got pushed back and so too will any evaluations. btw any yield numbers we get are not going to be fantastic, this is jack herer, a strain that is noted more for potency than yield.

thanks again for your interest,
db:smokin:

[Greenthing]

Would it be possible for you to estimate how much you have saved on the electricity bill by growing with LED lights.
I would think it would be quite a big saving.
And hey it's green in more than one sense of the word, not pulling loads of power from the national grid less carbon footprint.:thumbsup:

[Opie Yutts]

you mention light movers? are you still doing that or waiting for the grow after?

dodo


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I'm working on an LED light moving system. Nobody has seen anything like it. Maybe that's the main reason I'm doing it.

[SnSstealth]

ket me know opie!!! I am lookin for something to move em...and keep them all aligned, but be able to move independantly...
whisekytango

[Opie Yutts]

What I'm making will not work for moving the Procyons, and it's going to be awhile. Lotsa pots on the stove right now.

[SnSstealth]

i hear ya....we may just put them all on a rail...attached to 2 of the gravity light movers each...little balls on a cord that you just lift and they stay up, or pull down and they stay...kinda cool actually...
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

ooooh boy.....almost there...leaves are starting to change color, calyxes are SWOLLEN, resin is covering ALL the leaves around the buds, halfway out the fan leaves....barely touch the short one and she REAKS of lemon drops...weird for this strain, but DAMN it smells good...the bigger one for some reason has almost no smell at all...also weird...but BIG...i call 35g on the bigger one, and 20-25 on the smaller...couple more days....
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[daihashi]

What strain is that again? It has pretty good bud to leaf ratio.

Your grow is looking great. I just put one of my plants in the dark today, it will stay there for a week. Also I will be flushing another plant starting today for the next 2 weeks.

I'm almost wrapping up also :D.

[SnSstealth]

its a sensi seeds Jack Herer x Bubbleberry
WT

[PopsSoCal]

Here is a link for light movers. I put this here earlier if you guys r interested".....:thumbsup:

Discount Hydroponics - Light Rail 3.5 (http://www.discount-hydro.com/productdisp.php?pid=242&navid=46)

[Opie Yutts]

i hear ya....we may just put them all on a rail...attached to 2 of the gravity light movers each...little balls on a cord that you just lift and they stay up, or pull down and they stay...kinda cool actually...
whiskeytango

Sounds pretty cool. Please supply some photos when it's all set up.

[hatch]

What I'm making will not work for moving the Procyons, and it's going to be awhile. Lotsa pots on the stove right now.


Hey, How is the Weather???

Opie, Glad to see You Back!!~~~~~~~~When You Going to start a Thread on this New Light Mover???

Hey SunShine State, How is the Weather???? Plant's are Looking Good???~~~~~~~~~~~WhiskeyTango, How is the Micro Shot's Coming?????

:pimp::pimp::pimp::pimp:

[SnSstealth]

ok...so the bigger of the 2 girls left told me to chop her this morning...just got done..almost ALL the fan leaves, and larger mid leafs, where all YELLOW...the good yellow though, lol. all the buds are so swollen, they look like grape clusters (thanks JH!!) and the hairs where almost all red...not going for couchlock high, so this is it...I am expecting around 35-40g off this 24in girl..she will rest in peace...IN MY LUNGS!!!
bioassay in the next 3-4 days!!
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

WOW...now I remember the beginning of this log...I put up a thread on cannacabana just to show the LED grow, using a few recent pics, and just like here, people are attacking me telling me it wont work...I even included harvest pics...why would someone sit there, LOOKING at the pics, and saying it wont work, that I dont know what I talking about...oh well....dont know why i let it bother me...

ok...Im done:angry3: for now...lol, time to get stoned....
WT

[Weedhound]

Human natures surprises you Stealth? Say not so....:D

[Greenthing]

Feck the Fecking doubters they are the kind of people that still think the world is flat.
Well done the LED crew.:thumbsup:

[daihashi]

Great job. Now go rub their noses in it :D

[SnSstealth]

i love you guys...lol....now i remember why i ended up stayin on this site only....
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

trimmed the hanging girls fan leafs, and hash trim....just fresh nugs now...whether its small, larf, whatever you wanna call it...lol, bottom line, is I am happy as hell, i say what 35g? you guys think thats too much? tops went across 3 fingers...2ft plant...what ever, I am happy, thats all that matters right? thanks for stickin around guys, and for all the help we got...you know who you guys are...one more plant....and..
LED Grow II- SOG and SCROG (or LST...lemme know which i should do for the SNLxNH WH:jointsmile:)
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

sent a harvest pic and quick synopsis to high times...be lookin for that too! of course with the shout out to Cannabis.com!!!! woot!...was gonna shout out specific names, but didnt know if you guys wanted that...lol

[SnSstealth]

hmm....ill take some pics with a tape measure...they are huge for this size plant...but the pics make em look small...LOL
WT

[Weedhound]

beautiful, beautiful looking buds....:thumbsup:

[Greenthing]

hmm....ill take some pics with a tape measure...they are huge for this size plant...but the pics make em look small...LOL
WT
Yep You need something beside them for a reference its hard to tell the size of them in pics.

[SnSstealth]

thanks WH! here are some measured pics...I keep getting told how SMALL they are, so I used a tape measure and took more pics after they had been hangin a day....and again they were 2FT PLANTS!!...lol...even my "larf" is over an inch each...
bioassay tomorrow maybe?....heh
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

well we just chopped the last girl....VERY soon round 2!!!! Plan B Smashberry (squat indi) growing in SOG...with a few SNLxNH doen LST or SCROG...

give us a few days to clean up, yank out all the mylar, going to flat white walls, re-arranging the lights, and I promise a better yield. we got the nute problem under control, as well as the Ph issues (thanks stinks!!!!!!)
so stay tuned guys....
Ill continue this thread with the rest of the harvest pics, and a bioassay...then start the LED II thread!

thanks to all who helped through this experiment, hope to see all of you for round II!!!!!!
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

Party at Stealths!!! :D

[SnSstealth]

heres the final pic of the last two girls.....WOO_HOO!!!!! when ya getting here WH!...lol and by the way how should i do the SNLxNH? LST or SCROG??....few more pics, bioassay...and some dry shots on a scale...i am gonna go ahead and say 60-65g there....THEEEEEEN....

stand by for LED II
whiskeytango

then a new thread...bet stinky is happy for that.....lol

[Weedhound]

Lovely lovely! :thumbsup::thumbsup:

You know I had one SNL x NH that was quite tall and another that ended up being very short. You should know fairly quickly and I'd decide then. Our champion girl was pretty tall and lanky and did beautifully with lst. I might have a photo......if I do I'll post it in my log for you.

[SnSstealth]

damnit!!!!! just lost a long ass post somehow...
anyway
WH, LST it is, cant go wrong there, and I have never done a SCROG...lol
it shouldnt be more than a week for Grow II to get going, gotta rip out the mylar, going flat white, cant remember who suggested that, but thanks! and get some 1gal, or 6in pots...major buddage comin, learned alot this first grow...and adding a 7k BTU portable A/C in the room....dehumidifying function and 24 hour timer...it says, has a remote too, in case gotta adjust something when its sleepytime for the girls.....yay, new toy!!!
stay tuned,
whiskeytango

[Opie Yutts]

Nice looking buds. Nice N frosty. I really like your coat hanger and clip set up. I too am looking very forward to growing some SNLxNH. Thank God for the generous people. Great job, great grow.

Love you guys. And you other guys too.

[SnSstealth]

....yes we love the ganja faeries:thumbsup::hippy::jointsmile:
whiskeytango

[DonMega]

Thanks for showin me the way homie! Got the knowledge available here just need to take the next step. Thanks again!

[NaughtyDreadz]

W-O-W

[DonMega]

I'm HIGHly impressed with your LED trials. :rastasmoke: Thanks for showin me the way to this forum. See you 'round.
Peace

[Dogznova]

Nice buds, they owe you another light for sure. I want 1,2,3 or 4 of them myself. I would not of wanted this light if it hadn't been for the SNSstealth crew. You guys rule. Can't wait for LED II...

[SnSstealth]

thanks guys!!! feel free to let homegrownlights.com, and indooragriculture.com know about giving us some lights...woo-hoo, we might get some then:thumbsup:
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

I'm HIGHly impressed with your LED trials. :rastasmoke: Thanks for showin me the way to this forum. See you 'round.
Peace
.....hmmm, the floridian lurker eh?...see ya around:jointsmile:
whiskeytango

[d4twamp]

sns crew,
nice grow I'm pleased to see that leds can and will perform in flowering looking forward to start up a led grow.

And you guys should get hooked up with some free lights...

you ever think about scrogin the lst'd plants. I've got one that i've lst'd (my 1st time lsting)in flower, I tied down all the lower branches too and the tops coming out of the middle make me wanna throw a screen over it. just a suggestion... well anyways nice grow can't wait for the 2nd thread...

leds+stealthcrew=success & $ up the arse 4 the makers of the procyon

later D:S5:

[Weedhound]

I just started a new SNL x NH myself......and Rock Steady's got one going as well. Kind of like that little garden gnome that shows up in photos all over the world........:D

[SnSstealth]

I just started a new SNL x NH myself......and Rock Steady's got one going as well. Kind of like that little garden gnome that shows up in photos all over the world........:D

LOL!!!
i love that gnome!
WT

[Melskid]

SnS, I have just one procyon and a closet would I be best off if I do as Pops reccomends and get a light mover to distribute the light better? or best to keep them all directly beneath the light? I'm also turning my mirror side of the doors toward the plants and have another lower that seems to light the lower plant fairly well.

[Greenthing]

SnS, I have just one procyon and a closet would I be best off if I do as Pops reccomends and get a light mover to distribute the light better? or best to keep them all directly beneath the light? [QUOTE]I'm also turning my mirror side of the doors toward the plants
Sorry for butting in, Melskid mirrors are not good they absorb more light than they reflect.;)

[SnSstealth]

SnS, I have just one procyon and a closet would I be best off if I do as Pops reccomends and get a light mover to distribute the light better? or best to keep them all directly beneath the light? I'm also turning my mirror side of the doors toward the plants and have another lower that seems to light the lower plant fairly well.

hey melskid, need a bit more info.: room size, how many?

and yeah the glass on the mirror, absorbs the light. flat white is best.

db

[SnSstealth]

flat white paint...if the area is over 3x3, light mover...over 5x5...need more light...IMHO
whiskeytango

ps....almost dry!!! bio tomorrow...after i get home from trainin the doggies:thumbsup:

[Melskid]

Thanks for the input folks. I guess I'll turn the mirrors around then they all have white backing on them so hopefully it will work better. The closet size is 2' by 8' I have currently three plants and about 12 clones going just figured if I spread the light better it would help distribute the light a little better than just sitting in one spot all day long. but the mirrors so close does seem to brighten the whole area considerably I keep seeing avacado green after coming out from my closet it's weird how those red and blue lights make you see green. Thanks again

[Opie Yutts]

whiskey tango please check your email.

[midlifecrisis]

Well done SNS, looks quite delicious.....I would not hesitate to test some of that out...well of course after a proper curing. :jointsmile:


BriVaps, perhaps you should rethink the level of maturity you wish to portray on the internet?....just a thought...

[SnSstealth]

I love to rip huge farts whilst masterbating

:wtf:
whiskeytango

p.s....got my bronco running tonight...woo-hoo!!!!

thanks midlife!!! bioassay tomorrow, Ill fill you guys in:jointsmile:

[RedAndBlue]

Whewwww! I finally made it to the end.

Thanks to all who made good contributions ( weedhound, stinky attic, PopsISocal etc.). And for you bovine scatalogy artists clogging up the thread - shame on you.

I like the idea of cedar wood to keep out insects because I wouldn't want residual insecticide on the buds.

Anyway, those are first-class buds by any standard of measure - the "correct" LED arrays obviously work. It's only going to get better - 386 ---> Pentium, Model T -----> Mustang... you get the idea.

I'm a noob and had to guess about some of the acronyms - I'm thinking SOG is "soil only grow" Not sure about SCROG or LST but I'll consult the FAQ or the Grow Bible for clarification.

One question - What is a "K deficiency?"

[Opie Yutts]

NPK - Nitrogen, Phosphorous, Potassium are the three main ingredients in most fertilizers and rated by a number such as 20-4-15. a K deficiency is not enough potassium.

SOG - Sea of Green growing style. Harvests take place more often since there are several levels of maturity in the grow

SCROG - My personal method of growing, similar to SOG but screens are used in the veg and flower sections.

LST - Tried it, didn't like it. I'd rather FIM or top. With LST you get many more bud sites and they are much smaller. Branches are tied down so that light can reach the lower parts instead of just the tops.

FAQ - Frequently Asked Questions

LED - Light Emitting Diode

Bovine Scatology - The study of cow crap. That's funny. Am I one of the "etceteras", or one of the "artists"?

You want acronyms, you got em. Check this out: http://boards.cannabis.com/basic-growing/134670-what-does-everything-mean.html

[Opie Yutts]

I love to rip huge farts whilst masterbating

What the hell? Do the microscopic chunks of poop help with the grow, or is it the bits of sperm that get flung everywhere?

[Opie Yutts]

Whewwww! I finally made it to the end.

Nothing's over till I say it is.

[SnSstealth]

lol....opie, the end is not near!!!...lol
thanks red&blue...did i give any good contributions?....lol, stay tuned for LED grow II
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[RedAndBlue]

You want acronyms, you got em. Check this out: http://boards.cannabis.com/basic-growing/134670-what-does-everything-mean.html

Thanks! You're an etcetera. :thumbsup:

[RedAndBlue]

thanks red&blue...did i give any good contributions?....

Yes, you contributed to my envy of your fine crop. I'm looking forward to LED II.

[PopsSoCal]

Nothing's over till I say it is.

Opie you at times really get me rolling on the floor LOL ..:thumbsup:
And Sns I have been looking on those Procyons on ebay. Some say 125watts and I have also seen some say 100 watts which is correct? It must be a typo.. Oh well, Yes I am going to get 1 Procyon And the light mover. I have a 2'x4' Flood tray & a 20Gal Res.(ebb&flow), Pump, Air wand. was using 125w CFL and 2x 4' T12 Florescence ( too much stretching on this grow:mad:) and using Maxi-Grow & Maxi-bloom neuts..
I tried to do this, It is the first grow (first time inside) for 31 years, And it did not work out well for me.... But as soon as it arrives (procyon) and light mover, I will start a grow log and see how it goes. I will post it when I start it. Thx
for all this info that you have done on this grow.. HeHeHe I am now very motivated.. But a bit short on funds but it is going to happen:thumbsup::hippy:
Thx
Pops

[SnSstealth]

100w output, 125w power usage...fan and all....
came out to 61g...not bad for 2 2ft girls...buzz was hit by a warm back o head after second hit...VERY lemony in smell, transitions to taste SO nice...reminds me of lemonheads...after 3rd/4th hit....body starts getting warm n fuzzy...i dig it...other phenotype is much clearer high, with a sage/thyme smell...good do stuff nug...yummy...let ya know if its any differant after cure...If it gets that far!!!
good luck pops!! start a log and plenty of us will check in for ya and make sure your good:thumbsup:

workin on the room adjustments...LED II soon!!!.......
whiskeytango

[zebulon]

Nice work, beautiful finish....This is truly a great log....thanks for your work SnS crew....:thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

So Stealth.....I heard you were going to send out samples to everyone who made a post in your log....when can we expect to see those coming our way? :D

[SnSstealth]

lol....if i didnt lose the dad.....and Id share my last bud with ya WH:joint1:
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

not replacing the LEDs...lol, but i am setting up another room and want HIDs again....everyone check out this combo 400W and tell me what you guys think...the ballast is built in as well....
whiskeytango

Pulsar Two-Way HP/MH Mini Plant Grow Lights by Sunleaves at Home Harvest Garden Supply (http://homeharvest.com/SunleavesPulsarMini2Way.htm)

[Opie Yutts]

That's not a combo but a switchable ballast. You either run MH or HPS, not both. I have one and it's great. Haven't heard much about the Sunleaves brand, but the price seems about right for a grow store. I don't like the built in ballasts as they add too much heat to the grow area. It's much better for keeping the grow room cool if you can have the ballast outside, but if you can manage an additional 3-10 degrees in your grow room it doesn't matter.

[SnSstealth]

any recommendations for one with a separate ballast? want just one hood due to space...and cant seem to find one in 600w...only 400 and 1k....grrrr
whiskeytango

and saw the combos too....MUCHO more money, as much as the procyons...bleh

[Opie Yutts]

Well I'd highly recommend digital. It will run cooler and quieter, pay for itself in energy costs, and make your bulbs burn brighter for longer for several reasons. Nearly all digital ballasts now days can run either type bulb. Be sure to check though, some still need a conversion bulb to run both. 400 and 600W are readily available in the grow stores in my area, and of course all over the internet.

Crap, no more playing around. I gotta change the res in my cloner and go to work.

[SnSstealth]

grow II thread will be started in a day or two.....painting the room today, got the portable 7k btu AC.
here's the plan.....
starting 5-6 Plan B Smashberry F2s...taking 5-7 clones from each in 4 weeks...flower all moms, toss the boys, and keep 1 female clone each to see which we prefer after they all flower....

also will be doing LST SNLxNH....
gonna bonsai the moms of the Smashberry, so after this quick run, the next will be 20-30 Smashberry clones ran SOG....cant wait!!!!!!!
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

I agree with Opie....on a larger wattage get a seperate ballast.....if necessary set the damn thing on top of your reflector.....and yes, go digital if you can. (I would only suggest internal ballast for 250w or less.)

[SnSstealth]

okie:thumbsup:
WT

[SnSstealth]

this is probably my last post on this thread...(your welcome stinks..lol) beans are a brewin...so next post will be LED II...thanks to ALL who followed and helped along the way....Stinky, WH, Opie...your imput was priceless, and i hope you guys stick around for number 2...Everyone else, I also appreciate your imput, and hope all you guys tag along as well....
total from 6 2ft plants....123g....eh, I PROMISE better results from round 2...better understanding, better suited strains...and with the portable AC in there, we killed a 2x2 section, but thats gonna make the grow space 2x6...concentrating our light better as well....

again thanks to all...stay tuned for round 2!!!!!!:joint1:

:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[Ziggy Stardust]

ive been doing what i do for almost 5 years stright now both indoors and outdoors and like everyonelse (i think) ive made a few connections in the hydro industry including contacts at PROCYON and PINETREE to discuss venture money on both projects. what i dont get is why i cant just BUY one off the net.

one companys product isnt ready for market but theirs will not only have a variable power supply but a modular system to allow 120 190 and 260w arrays to be used relacing 400-600 and 1000W HIDS. the other COMPANY did need to raise capitol to produce its next run of only 500 units.

now ive called no less that 25 large hydro supply distribuators across the US and spent many hours online (which produced only ONE result on EBAY...LOL) to obtain a few of the PROCYONS (pronounced PRO-CEE-ON) to no avail but for some reson i see - what - 6 of these in the grow posted.

so im wondering how did we get so fortunate as to be the only ones able to see these lights on this forum? and how come NO ONELSE on other cannabis boards (other than GREENPINE who is marketing a horitcultural LED as well) or hydro supply board was able to do the same thing. are we so vastly superior in our collective intelligence that those posting here are the only ones who have endevored to determine the feasability of these "unique" and hard to obtain lights??

[SnSstealth]

lol ziggy...we got our 3 out of the very first run....had them on reserve for 2 months...and we are having trouble getting additional lights, i also wonder.....where are the rest? are we the only ones who bought these lights for ganja? or just the only ones posting..seems strange to me as well...
not sure if your insinuating, but i dont work for procyon or home grown lights....just fortunate enought to get the first bunch, and honestly, I think we are a big reason they are sold out now...I am sure we generated quite a bit of sales for them...(looking up to see a free light fall in my lap...)
not sure if i covered what you were getting at or not...alas, I am but a stoner
whiskeytango

[Greenthing]

SnSstealth and the rest of the crew thank's for your most entertaining grow log postings.
I can't wait for the next chapter to begin,so bring on on round two you guy's.
Best Regards.
Greenthing

[SnSstealth]

[quote]this is probably my last post on this thread...(your welcome stinks..lol) beans are a brewin...so next post will be LED II...thanks to ALL who followed and helped along the way....Stinky, WH, Opie...your imput was priceless, and i hope you guys stick around for number 2...Everyone else, I also appreciate your imput, and hope all you guys tag along as well....
total from 6 2ft plants....123g....eh, I PROMISE better results from round 2...better understanding, better suited strains...and with the portable AC in there, we killed a 2x2 section, but thats gonna make the grow space 2x6...concentrating our light better as well....


part II-- http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/155828-led-second-coming.html

thanks again all for coming in:thumbsup:
whiskeytango

[LowkonXC]

I also grow with LEDs. I use the relatively cheap panels that some people say are weak. I agree in a small part because plants didn't stretch but didn't grow very fast, slowley in fact. Well I built panels with both LEDs and spiral Flcs and man have my plants taken off, I'm amazed at fast they grow:stoned:. I tried posting some pics but after trying four formats that didn't work I gave up. Anybody know the format and size limits used here? I tried IM, Direct Link, HTML Code and IMG Code. I'm stumped:(.....Low

[Greenthing]

I also grow with LEDs. I use the relatively cheap panels that some people say are weak. I agree in a small part because plants didn't stretch but didn't grow very fast, slowley in fact. Well I built panels with both LEDs and spiral Flcs and man have my plants taken off, I'm amazed at fast they grow:stoned:. I tried posting some pics but after trying four formats that didn't work I gave up. Anybody know the format and size limits used here? I tried IM, Direct Link, HTML Code and IMG Code. I'm stumped:(.....Low
LowkonXC, You wont be able to post picks at the moment, you will have to make 50 posts before you can post picks.;)

[Weezard]

also i found the 5w 660nm [finaly] and cheap if i maysay

I heard the word "CHEAP" and I responded.
Where please?:)

Aloha
'zard

[GreenLeaf420]

WOW 48 Pages:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: longest Thread I've seen on CanCom Way to go Stealth had to throw one up Just to show some LOVE:jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile:

GL1

[TiMEWaRPAPE]

i myself am considering purchasing a procyon 100. instead of a hydrafarm 400hps contained ballest unit. it just makes sense. i have heard about this thing successfully growing buds but are they potent and tighter compared to their hps hd counterparts.... i was considering a CFL operation 2 125w CFL grow bulbs at 5000k, but it is toooooo fuckin hot for my enclosure. i am doing a 2 45 gallon Stertlite storage countainer grow op (like a turtle shell. self contained with an earthbox set up in the bottom, 2 24inch 17w Sunlight Floros velcrod' to the bottom sides (for easy aseembly and dissassembly as needed) as well as 2 15inch sunlights for bottom foilage. I just think that the procyon could possible provide a more temperate environment than the latter considering space. what do you guys think?
o yeah a 4inch can fan and odor sock, will this be suffiecient? for containing and eliminating odors?

:cool:

[SnSstealth]

size of grow area? I think you got plenty o light with that set-up....We have 3x3 per procyon, and get the results you see below...There will be less smell, less heat, less electricity...more resin, blah blah...
whiskeytango

[smoothsmoke]

rad grow

[crabbyback]

Beautiful and innovative grow.

[lyle1231]

Just take the camera in Manual setting. Go to white balance setting and hit manual... Point your camera to something that is true white(to human eyes) in the room when leds are on and hit button to set - Wahla you have pictures that look like they are under sunlight.... Message me back if you cannot get this down...

[dgsgandalf]

Hi, I followed your first experiment with the Procyons and now i'm thinking about getting one myself. My question is this: I have a 2'x3' growing space and i was wondering if 1 Procyon would give me excellent results, or should i go with a 400w hps or even a 600w hps?

What would you recommend?

Thanks!
Peace

[billyjojimbob11]

You will be fine in that space with a procyon and very small 13w or less cool cfl (for increasing the 400-450nm blue color) and possibly a 10w halogen to finish off the full spectrum (660-720 far red and infrared for the emerson effect). Try a sog or a micro sog and cover your floor with small short bud stalks using tall skinny pots similar to DRBudgreenGenes setup, you can near 1gr per watt in good soil if done correctly. Heat will be minimal but some ventilation is needed, you can use a fan with a lux outlet thermostat to kick the fan on only when needed. For personal you cannot beat it per watt.

[WhiskeyTango]

dgsg...definitely go with the procyon!

Thanks frosted! I am lucky enough to have a few cuts of SFV OG Kush coming my way, so I feel they are something worthy of a new LED experiment.
I am gonna start with the Procyons, have been able to accrue a lil funding for a self designed board...just may not be getting it for a few months. So this will be the first run of a pure indica under the procyons till the board gets here.
If any of you from the first few runs were watching, one thing we learned for sure, is that sativa dom plants are no good for LEDs...YET. So running Jack Herer was not the best idea, and I am sure the yield will be MUCH better with the kush that is Almost pure indica.
Stay tuned!
good vibes

[Joefarmer]

Hey all. New here. I'm in the midst of my first indoor grow (been doing the guerrila thing for over a decade). Probably going to get the Procyon myself to use in a 3x3 closet. I've got 8 each of Purps and BlueCityDiesel at about 5 weeks now to be put oudoors. But before then I will take cuttings and save one of each for Mother plants to be held in a growbox and will flower the clones in the 3x3.
So, I hope to keep this journal up and post pics etc. Anyway I'm psyched for the LED thing and definately see myself throwing in some cfls for flowering. Any tips on the addition of cfls? Any tips on LED growing in general? Last question I promise....I can only vent the closet into the attic which obviously gets hot on its own. So can this extra heat have any adverse effects on the house/attic itself?

Thanks. HOpe to see yall around.

[Weezard]

... Anyway I'm psyched for the LED thing and definately see myself throwing in some cfls for flowering. Any tips on the addition of cfls? Any tips on LED growing in general? Last question I promise....I can only vent the closet into the attic which obviously gets hot on its own. So can this extra heat have any adverse effects on the house/attic itself?

Thanks. HOpe to see yall around.

Howdy? J. F.

Aloha, and welcome aboard.

In reverse order;

Li'l extra heat in da attic?
It's a drop in the bucket.
But, as long as you are cutting holes, why not instal a solar powered attic fan? It's chimp easy!
You can amortize the cost from air conditioner savings.

Hope you plan to use an odor sock.
Venting into an attic can stink up da whole house.

And go easy on the nutes n water.
Led growing is kinda "laid-back"
Slow, and gentle with a very "happy ending":D

For CFL's? They are not your main source of light when you are using leds, so, a little dab'l do ya.
1. 23W. 2700K. per bloomer is probably too much.
In veg.? I don't bother. I'm very pleased with leds for vegging.
And, don't have final results yet, but I am testing a little "nightcap" of 730nm, ar red.
I'll keep everybody posted.

Regards,
Weezard.

[thewhiskeyfish]

Can we get a summary of your personal findings? Pretty much what I am hearing is that 1 Procyon 100 works fine for about a 2 feet by 3 feet area, or 6 plants. What I am concerned about is the quality of the weed. You said that you boosted your CO2 levels. How high was your PPM? What type of CO2 generator did you use? And how would you rank the density of the buds and the yield per plant? Is thier anything that you would change about your project in retrospect?

Anyway, add me to the people who joined because of this thread. I am about to put together a 3 foot by six foot growing space with all the bells and whistles to do a little sea of green farming and could not decide if I wanted to go with traditional HPS (about 250 dollars for 2x 400 wat HPS) or three Procyon 100's (about 500-600 dollars each). Unfortunately I think that pure economics will force me to use the HPS, but as soon as they come out with LED technology that can match the QUALITY of the final buds, I will be switching for sure.

Cheers,
The Whiskey Fish

[Nasty420]

Nice job we are also LED pioneers and use welthink wex c150 with 40% 660nm 40%630nm 20% 460nm
They are 150w each and use the 3w LED instead of 1w

[notvaporized]

I just purchased LED's and my first attempt to grow with them will begin soon. I have 2 solid blue, 2 blue & red mixed, and 2 solid red panels. I'll post as the growth progresses.
By the way I have a few babys just out of the seeds that are about two inches tall. One is a total albino. I have never seen this before and I'm very curious to see if it lives or dies. I'll try to post a pic soon.

[notvaporized]

Lock your camera focus on something white at the same distance you want to shoot the plant(s). Then view the plant (s) at the same distance and shoot the shot. Your camera should have locked the f.stop & color sat so as to give you a balanced pic.