LED growing- An instructional grow log [Archive] - Page 2 - Green Grass Forums

physicsnole

02-11-2008, 06:54 PM

Another interesting aspect of growing with LED's is pulsing them. Photosynthesis actually can occur at 100% with LED's being pulsed anywhere from 0-100 nanoseconds, longer pulses than this reduces photosynthetic effect. So by doing this we can save energy as pulsing the LED's for 100us on and 900us off would only have a 10% duty cycle so 1/10th of the total energy would be required compared to constant lighting. https://mywebspace.wisc.edu/tsharkey/web/My_papers/Tennessen%20Bula%20and%20Sharkey%20Pulsed%20light% 201995.pdf
look at the top left corner of page 266 for a detailed graph

hatch

02-11-2008, 07:33 PM

The way I was going to control the different colors and mixing programs was with a microcontroller. With a microcontroller you could have set certain output pins (there are 28 in mine and each output pin can be a series of LED's) that control the changing colors (changing voltage) on a set time frame, like a calender.

And why did you choose 10mm LED's? I found 5mm LED's to be pretty much the same brightness, however since 5mm are smaller you could have twice the LED's compared to 10mm. Just wondering. Also are you using drivers for the LED's?

It's just my opinion, Feel the 10mm cover's slightly more, I can feed a little higher voltage @ and still cover lower as well.
Inverter's--to A PC. This is ONLY a test. Hope You Best of Luck with your project!!! Later

Opie Yutts

02-11-2008, 08:50 PM

physicsnole

02-11-2008, 10:30 PM

OK, so in your guys' humble or not so humble opinion, exactly what nanometers are needed for a proper LED array? Blue, far blue, red, far red, green, white, and yellow. I know you don't think we need the last three, but if somehow you were forced to use them in your hypothetical array, what nm exactly would you use? If cost didn't matter.

Well every color has some effect on the growth of plants. 470nm and 640nm are essentials. 420nm and 660 nm are also important, but not necessary. 730nm (IR) can be used for flowering and shorter night cycles (read my previous post about this). UV-B would also be a great addition for resin production. I have read that green and yellow colors also have photosynthetic benefits.

So I would have UV-B, 420nm, 470nm, 570nm, 615nm, 640nm, 660nm, and730nm. I would leave out white UNLESS you wanted to gain additional lumens lost by the other colors.

hatch

02-12-2008, 02:55 AM

Opie Yutts

02-12-2008, 03:21 AM

I'm not going to repeat-myself! All your answer's are in previous post. Later

I don't know what I'm missing. There is no mention of the nm # I requested in your previous post. I started thinking you might have meant any of your previous posts and not your last one, so I went back to page 1 and went through all 11 pages looking for your answer. No luck. Lil help?

physicsnole

02-12-2008, 03:25 AM

so I went back to page 1 and went through all 11 pages looking for your answer. No luck.

ya I just did the same thing. eyes are watering now...

SnSstealth

02-12-2008, 04:58 AM

hatch

02-12-2008, 05:19 AM

if cost were no issue, id love to get some 660s...other than that, id say physicsnole got it down....
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

think you need to hit a few more bowls hatch. i do an awful lot of reapeating in here, and dont bitch really.:thumbsup:...it happens

I was al-ready taking more bong-hit's!! Thanks,

Hey not bitch'n,, Just that we had already covered the nm. I think we get a small 200nm to 270nm ultra-v-white-clear,blue-green 330nm to 550nm, 555nm to 635nm green,yellow,orange, 640nm to 700nm orange-red,I-red. Later

Rock.Steady

02-12-2008, 05:41 AM

hey stealth-
im curious how this grow will result, but to b honest, all these specs are kinda blinding.
i'll just be watching from over here and let all you techno-lite-geeksters sort it out.
Rock.:thumbsup:

Opie Yutts

02-12-2008, 06:22 AM

Hey not bitch'n,, Just that we had already covered the nm.

Uh, actually you didn't. 2 people unsuccessfully went back and looked through every page trying to find where you "already covered the nm", remember?

I was just asking for a commitment from people serious about LED grow array development, as to what actual colors they would put in their dream design. If you don't want to share, fine, but please don't send me on any more wild goose chases. I'm not trying to be a dick, but I'm not sure if your last response was an attempt at answering my question, and I just don't understand stuff like "I think we get a small 200nm to 270nm ultra-v-white-clear"

SnS, physicsnole, thanks.

Opie Yutts

02-12-2008, 10:42 AM

Hatch, I guess I was looking for something like this. It's based on the several days I've spent on and off, trying to figure this out. I've read charts, graphs, forums, articles, and results of experiments, until my brain started oozing out my eyeballs. As far as I know, there's unfortunately nowhere that comes right out and says, "these are the required wavelengths and percentages thereof for an optimum LED weed grow array". It's not for a lack of looking though.

UV: 275,290,310 5%
Blue: 412,440,470 20%
Green: 499 5%
Yellow: 566 2%
Amber: 613 3%
Red: 645,660 60%
Far Red: 730 5%

Until I can figure out something better, those are my dream wavelengths. Would anyone else like to share with the class?

physicsnole

02-12-2008, 03:49 PM

UV: 275,290,310 5%
Blue: 412,440,470 20%
Green: 499 5%
Yellow: 566 2%
Amber: 613 3%
Red: 645,660 60%
Far Red: 730 5%

These are perfect wavelengths Opie...however do you think there is a great enough red:blue ratio? 3:1 will do the job but 4:1 or even 5:1 are alot better for flowering. Also with the UV ranges...I think the only wavelength we need is UV-B 310nm, I think, unless you found that marijuana could use those lower UV wavelengths...just asking.

UV: 310 5%
Blue: 420,470 15%
Green: 499 5%
Yellow: 566 2%
Amber: 613 3%
Red: 645,660 65%
Far Red: 730 5%

This would be my array..:rasta:

SnSstealth

02-12-2008, 04:17 PM

tis good rock. i think somehow our grow thread has merged with the LED imput please thread:wtf3: Im the one growing with LEDs, lol...and half the shit on here is hurting my head. This first grow is a test of the procyon and LED growing in general. next grow we can start with altering the blue/red ratios or pulsing, or micro-processing, flux capasitors....blah,blah
ah........bi-polar rant over.......:smokebong:, i feel better now.

Rock.Steady

02-12-2008, 04:37 PM

right on man.

the flux capacitor bong always works best for me :smokebong:

SnSstealth

02-12-2008, 04:59 PM

opie and physics, have either of you read the article in high times? if they are claiming the UFO is that good, then we are set, cause the procyon is 15w stronger than the UFO with more red too. according to high times, pots P.A.R (photosynthetically active radiation) zone is 380-660Nm. and the reason there are only red and blue bulbs is because of the Emerson Enhancement Effect. which is hitting the plants with very short (blue) and long (red) wavelengths as opposed to the full spectrum made photosynthesis and absorption occur faster. "thus, it may be best for indoor growers to mix opposing wavelengths rather than using the HPS/MH mix."
I know you said you couldnt get to one opie, so im trying to include all the important info in here for ya....lol. they actually took 4 clones and put them respectively under a 400 MH, a 400HPS and an UFO LED light. and the UFO yeilded 12% more than the MH, but 5% less than the HPS. (hence HGL adding more red to the procyon).
Now for a written explantion that opie didnt get from someone else. I had to find this in writing before i put my 2 cents in opie...lol...In the trials there was a markedly different potency level with the LED light.SPECULATION is that the shortage of wavelengths aided this process, as abnormal stresses have been known to increase resin production.
So, NO ONE knows the reason for sure, but the final outcome of High Times test with the UFO against 400MH, 400 HPS was this. LED was more potent, 12% higher yeild than the MH, and 5% less than the HPS. in terms of grams per KwH consumed though, the LED yeilded 4 times the rest.
Part 3 of the article is out, Ill go get it tonight or something. If this answered anything opie, im glad...lol...know you have been trying to find stuff out, just tryin to give you facts, and not opinions. that why it took my a lil time to answer stuff.
I will have some pics up tonight also, i am excited for you guys to see them. the plants are actually shorter than they chould be. which is the opposite of what we thought would happen. no stretching at all. and there is massive lateral growth for their height. so i raised the lights up, cause i need about a foot more in height if i wanna start flowering the end of next week...lol

:smokebong:
whiskeytango

dankleader420

02-12-2008, 06:10 PM

How do I start my own thread thing? I dont have alot of money so I am trying to go with the cheapest setup that will still be successful. i just started 2 plants, they are about 3 days in and have sprouted but i dont know if i have enough light. I have a 75 watt fluorescent tube that im using but im not sure this is enough. any suggestions on what to use that isnt very expensive that will still be good? i was thinking about buying two CFLs (one for each plant) would that be enough light or would i still need more?

SnSstealth

02-12-2008, 06:31 PM

go to the grow log area, and click start new thread. how big is the grow area? whats your medium? CFLs will work for 2 plants. Id use 4 for 2 plants, depending on the size of the grow area, is it closed off?, reflective material? need more info man

dankleader420

02-12-2008, 06:44 PM

im using my closet i have them on a shelf that is about 1'x2.5' and about 3' high. the walls are painted white, and i hung a blanket up to close it off.
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii7/dankleader420/0212081129.jpg
idk if that worked^ but thats a picture of my setup.

SnSstealth

02-12-2008, 07:20 PM

holy hell man....shrink the pics next time...and how did you get that pic in there with only 5 posts? anyway, if you are only growing 2 plants, you should close the area down. way down. or add more plants...i love tall multi branch plants in soil, so i only have 1 plant per sq ft. 4 CFLs will grow those 2 plants fine if you close the area off more...but for using your whole closet, you will need at least a 400HPS....IMO

whiskeytango

dankleader420

02-12-2008, 07:31 PM

i made a new post about it, but my bad, i have a big computer screen so i didnt realize it was that big. lol. how should i close it off? cuz i dont have the money for those lights. im stickin with the fluorescents. im not using the whole closet, just that shelf.(closed it off with a blanket, but idk if that does anything) how much do the CFLs cost? and what wattage should i get?

Opie Yutts

02-12-2008, 08:55 PM

tis good rock. i think somehow our grow thread has merged with the LED imput please thread:wtf3:

Sorry SnS, I didn't realize it would be a problem. I'll do things differently now.

Opie Yutts

02-12-2008, 08:57 PM

right on man.

the flux capacitor bong always works best for me :smokebong:

What were you thinking man? 75 million gigawatts?

Opie Yutts

02-12-2008, 09:04 PM

...know you have been trying to find stuff out, just tryin to give you facts, and not opinions. that why it took my a lil time to answer stuff.

I appreciate it very muchly nicely. My input will be in the other thread now, unless it pertains specifically to your grow.

Opie Yutts

02-12-2008, 09:07 PM

how did you get that pic in there with only 5 posts?

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii7/dankleader420/0212081129.jpg

DoDoFoShoDoe

02-12-2008, 09:22 PM

Stealth,

I have been watching your log from the get go and just wanted to say your doing a great job. Since stretching seemed to be one of the main issues it looks like youve dodged that bullet very well. Ive been trying to learn a lot of information pertaining to LED's and their effectiveness in growing marijuana and this log has helped a lot.

Keep it up bro!:thumbsup:

dodo

intheattic

02-12-2008, 09:46 PM

Ok, so I'm new to this thread. New to the forum, new to growing so I'll just introduce myself and give my two, maybe three cents.

Right now Im on my second grow, first isnt quite done but the second is well underway!!! My setup includes 250 Mh and 200W of T5 and a sep room with a 400 Hps. Currently I'm running over a dozen strains of genetics that are being cloned in a aero cloner. Only in my wildest dreams had I ever imagined I would have such a setup but I was very fortunate to get connected with some very talented growers who gave me all the genetics and have provided much appreciated mentoring.

Living in the northwest can get fucking cold!! I have to run two 1000 W heaters 24 hours a day just to keep my soil from freezing. Calculating it all out I spend like 70-90 bucks a month for this shit!! There must be a better way. There is a better way... L.E.D.'s !!! Duhn duh da daa!

Within the next month I plan to be converting to a full led setup. Hot, big, bright, expensive ass ligts, I don't think so. Not in my house. Not any more.

So, like many of you I have been researching the subject like crazy and feel like Im finally beginning to get a grasp on it. I have found a few LED manufacturers who produce LED in practically ANY wave length from mid 200's up through the 700 nm range. They also manufacture tons of different styles of bulbs, 5mm's 10mm 20mm!~! all different shapes, high outputs... whatever, they make it.

I haven't decided exactly what my LED renovation will consist of but I will have 430 nm ultra blue combined with 450-470 nm blue with a tad of 640 reds veging my plant. As with all artificial lighting there are downfalls and if LED has any they seem to be in flowering. Penetration seems to be the biggest issue LED growers have when flowering there plants so with excessive lighting I will resolve this. 50 watts of 650 nm reds combined with 50 watts of slightly higher 680 red. A tad of 465 nm blues and maybe even those T5's and I think Im covered. I was also thinking about rope light. Stringing LED rope light made with 650 nm lights in something like a tic tac toe pattern or grid thats low enough for the plants to grow up through..??? Could work. It would solve the issue of insignificant light penetration. I understand that sometimes plants leaves act kinda funny when they come into contact with LED's, twisting around and such, but that it isnt harmful to the plant, just a reaction to the over abundance of light. They dont know which way is up because the light seems to come from all directions.

Ok, thats quite enough. I'll probably start another thread just like this as soon as my LED's come.
Great thread though,
Later.

Opie Yutts

02-12-2008, 10:14 PM

Penetration seems to be the biggest issue LED growers have...

That's because LED grow light manufacturers put only two colors in their arrays. WRONG. Plants need all the spectrum, and green will help enormously with penetration.

Oh yeah, Hello and welcome. Nice to have you along and looking real forward to seeing your set up. Personally, I would make your own arrays, or have someone custom make them, or wait about 3 years for LEDs. There is soooo much manufactures are leaving out of their arrays at this point. Sure they grow weed, but for that price they should do a much better job.

intheattic

02-12-2008, 10:44 PM

Thanks for the welcome. I was actually planning on making my own arrays, most liking using those higher intensity bulbs. About the green light you recommend for penetration... any more insight as to why it is more effective? Also I have read that supplimenting your plants with green light is useless. Plants are green, they are green because they reflect green light not absorb it. Thats my understanding but of course I could be wrong. Any thoughts? Also, the lighted grid idea. Pointless, or potential?

Opie Yutts

02-12-2008, 11:11 PM

Green light has many more uses than to bounce off plants. Every color of the spectrum has uses. (Not all 16 billion or whatever, but I think you know what I mean.) Green light is what penetrates the canopy. Without it only unshaded leaves and buds will be getting much, if any light. So I suppose if you are doing a lollipop-type grow, you wouldn't really need green. For all of us others, it would be beneficial. Besides, it helps the plants look like they should too (green not purple).

I used to believe the myth that green light does nothing, just because that's what everyone said. Well once I started reading actual things about botany and not just a weed forum, I started actually learning something about what plants need.

I think the grid idea seems like a good idea if you use a whole bunch of ropes. I don't think those normally have high power LEDs in them. Also, I would want some way to either raise and lower the plants or the rope grid, so it could stay near the top.

SnSstealth

02-13-2008, 12:19 AM

okie dokie...update.... pic 3 is the mutant plant that keeps sprouting 3 leaves at each node instead of 2. the first two pics are our test plant thats been in most of the pics... this thing is only 9 in tall? its putting all its energy it seems into side branches and lateral growth...you guys think i should go bush with them? opie, WH? help...lol Im supposed to flower in 12 days...think Im being paranoid? 13 days...maybe 15 in tall then? but with 4-5 branches already...I topped 2 of them, to see what would happen....we shall see...:smokebong: other than the growth pattern, they look healthy as hell to me...they stink already too...mmmm love the jack herer...raised the lights yesterday, so maybe we will get more vert growth....bong

whiskeytango

thanks dodo:jointsmile:

Gunner420

02-13-2008, 12:46 AM

im gonna follow this thread....nice idea, props for experimentation, the plants look beautiful

SnSstealth

02-13-2008, 10:42 PM

had to rip 3out today...(sniff)...lookin sicky, had a wierd coloring going on...light fuzzy green...bacteria my guess, so i got em out and flushed the others so it didnt spread....Ima go smoke in sorrow......
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

physicsnole

02-13-2008, 11:27 PM

had to rip 3out today

damn that sucks. how many were there?

SnSstealth

02-14-2008, 12:47 AM

hatch

02-14-2008, 04:49 AM

SnSsteath, Plant''s look great!! Good and tight node's, What is that one, 6 or 7 in 2"? How many SQ.FT are you getting coverage for 1 light? Look's Great , I feel your project is running weel! and are headed for great result's. Later

maspino1

02-14-2008, 05:01 AM

i can't wait for you to start flowering! :dance:!

hatch

02-14-2008, 05:02 AM

hatch

02-14-2008, 05:17 AM

23....now we are down to 20, in 15 pots.....got some doubled up, when i sex them, i would rather cut one out of a pot, than lose a whole pot....should be ready to flower in 10 days-ish. what do you guys think is causing the low vert growth, but mad side growth? having a temp problem for nite time, its about 77 daytime and 70-72 nighttime...having trouble getting night colder, there has been a cold front here in FL, and the A/C aint kickin on.....
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

I Like The Good side growth, I need to set my plinom baffle, I looked in one of my chamber's and it is getting down to 63-65, and some are stretching? daytime 78-83.

I wonder if the nown vert. growth, from lack of High Intinsity flood? And in your colour more mellow soak array? Witch I think is a good thing not bad. AnyWay Thumb's up looking good!!. Later

dankleader420

02-14-2008, 05:23 AM

are the LED lights expensive? how hard are they to work with?

maspino1

02-14-2008, 06:07 AM

SnSstealth

02-14-2008, 06:55 AM

k, stealth, i've got a few simple questions that i know you got the answers to

1)in your opinions and experiences, what's the smallest space could the procyon fit into without overheating
the enclosure
2)how much did indooragriculture charge you for shipping
3)how fast was shipping and the quality of the delivery package

the 2 easy ones first
2) $22 flat rate ground fedex, had other faster options but due to sending 3 were hundreds$$
3) I talked to the guy at IA (i know obsess much...lol) he got em in on thur. shipped fri. arrived wed. high quality package in plastic bag w/ foam peanuts in box. I think the most danger they were in was my nervous hand w/ the knife opening the box:D

and 1) i'd say at least 2'x2'w/ good upward venting. the fan on top runs about 15-20 cfm off the top and cools it ok. you can put your hand flat on the glass after long run times and its just warm. just have enough height for 16" plus above plants as any closer seems to slow growth. a good constant flow of 2° cooler than the wanted temp. seems to work for us as long as the a/c kicks in on a regular basis

dank they hang easily as they're weighted well w/ two hook points in the middle. ohh.. and.. ahh they're ...$600

Opie Yutts

02-14-2008, 07:22 AM

Don't have a lot of answers for you. Little confused about the ones that got mold or bacteria, or whatever. I thought everything was fine and healthy. Why would some get it and some not? Why did you trash them instead of spraying a little antifungal on them, then fixing the circumstances that caused it (ie. lack of air circulation near that area?)?

About the lack of stretching, plants stretch when they are shaded or tricked into believing they are shaded. I have no idea what's happening, but who knows what hell breaks loose when mad scientists break new ground and play God. Normally plants want the whole spectrum, since all colors interact and regulate. But couldn't the lack of stretching just be because you are growing indica types? Jack Herer = Indica??? Hybrid? I kind of like the fact that mine are short and bushy instead of tall and lanky. Isn't it easier to work with them that way?

maspino1

02-14-2008, 07:42 AM

umm... ok, i thought i had read your entire log twice at least
did you already mention that too close and it slows growth??
because maybe that's why my puny plant isn't growing any bigger because the furthest
the lights are from it right now since germination is like 4-5 inches...
what's your input stealth?

Opie Yutts

02-14-2008, 10:05 AM

Well I'm not stealth, but I do know that the closer you put your lights to the plants, the faster they will grow. When the light is farther away, you will see more stretch, which you may misinterpret as more growth.

SnSstealth

02-14-2008, 01:49 PM

Sorry I forgot the word "vertical" in that sentence. they had alot of underbrush and sidebranching which is what we wanted, then when we raised the lights 6" two days ago they they started growing vertically again. Opie was right, just gotta find the sweet spot too match your strains wants and needs.

I'm not so much worried about intensity w/ your panels as I am that being so close the lights cant blend together and you get spots of light. seemed like when i put my hand too close it got "spoty".

Ill let whiskey answer your other ? opie

Doughboy:smokin:

SnSstealth

02-14-2008, 04:35 PM

see if i can answer some stuff...first opie, i threw them out because they were 3 1/2 in as opposed to 7 1/2 on the rest. they only had 4 sets of leaves, as opposed to 7. they kinda just pissed me off, looked differant, so i killed em....kinda like the 60s?...lol....j/k no one get mad....anyway
yes opie, i love the fact im getting all bush growth, but JH is mostly sativa...bubbleberry is mostly indica, so maybe its leaning towards that side...alll the rest of the plants are uniform....started the CO2 today because of the temp issue...needs to get hot here again!!!!

maspino, i dont mean to be rude, but i think your isnt growing because your using those china panels. they dont have the right frequencies, and, the colors dont blend really...they stay spotty due to weak bulbs and no reflection. the glass under the LEDs in the procyon sends the light out at angles...some are turned slightly too... the procyon can get CLOSE...i was only 9 in away when i was making them branch out...went back out to 18 in to start vert growth again.....opie is right, the closer the better growth...side growth went nuts...but vert growth will stop, aat least with these lights. and what the hell is a plinom baffle? other than that, good luck man, need more LED growers!!!

:smokebong:
whiskeytango

physicsnole

02-14-2008, 07:25 PM

you get spots

What if I make all the colors random (well not random but evenly mixed). Do you think that will solve the problem with? Or do you have to have a diffuser? I think if just mixing them will do the job then its better than a diffuser because the diffuser reduces effeciency (amount of light getting to the plant), however it does lend the colors perfectly so all the plants would get equal ratios of light.

Green light is what penetrates the canopy. Without it only unshaded leaves and buds will be getting much,
The green light penetrates the canopy because the plant reflects the green light. But what if the plant was surrounded in the LED's....like a tower of LED's between plants so the plant gets even more light...do we still need green then? Also Opie did you ever post that link to the website with all sorts of plant light info?

DoDoFoShoDoe

02-14-2008, 07:34 PM

If you dont mind me asking really, what part of florida are you from? I also live in the sunshine state pretty far north.

Cant wait for pics!

doDo:jointsmile:

physicsnole

02-14-2008, 07:49 PM

tallahassee. cold here now...like 30 deg this morning

DoDoFoShoDoe

02-14-2008, 08:13 PM

haha could tell you were a seminole. my girlfriend goes there.

SnSstealth

02-14-2008, 08:42 PM

What if I make all the colors random (well not random but evenly mixed). Do you think that will solve the problem with? Or do you have to have a diffuser? I think if just mixing them will do the job then its better than a diffuser because the diffuser reduces effeciency (amount of light getting to the plant), however it does lend the colors perfectly so all the plants would get equal ratios of light.

I dont think you need a diffuser. what i was referring to is being 3-4" away from maspino1's panels in which each led is about 1/2" or more apart. once you get about a foot away everything blends, up till then its just spots next to each other w/ the 5mm leds.

hydrocannabis

02-14-2008, 10:01 PM

holy sheet bro. I just saw UR plants and I must say they look better than great.

now where can I get these kinds of lights?
and how old R they.

damm do they look.
I wanna find a bunch of lled lights to use with my hydro system.

well keep up the great work. any new pix?

maspino1

02-14-2008, 10:27 PM

you can get the procyon-100 at Procyon 100 [Procyon 100] - $600.00 : Buy LED Grow Lights, Procyon 100 (http://www.indooragriculture.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1&zenid=n6jtuhep82ibkfb6okldnjubm7)
and according to stealth they seem to have good customer service and prompt delivery

hatch

02-15-2008, 01:59 AM

plinom baffle- It's in the a/c ducting. It control's the air-flow to each vent. Later

SnSstealth

02-15-2008, 04:28 AM

FL..Lil further south...bout as far as i can say in here...lol:thumbsup:
ah..thanks hatch:jointsmile:
and yeah, wish i was gettin some kickback here, lol, but HGL were very prompt and were happy to answer technical questions. i bugged the hell out of ryan, but he was cool with it. :cool:
(im so high right now) and hydro, the plants are around 3 weeks old...to high to remember, not in the other room, not hettin up...lol tell ya tomorrow...fuck it, be back in half hour with pics and date...full update.....
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

Rock.Steady

02-15-2008, 06:14 AM

,,,,,, not gettin up...lol tell ya tomorrow...fuck it, be back in half hour with pics and date...full update.....
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

hmmm, sounds like u didnt get up afterall:wtf::D;)

ChronicE

02-15-2008, 06:40 AM

Dang man ur gonna have tight nodes and compact buds when they finished out:jointsmile:

Opie Yutts

02-15-2008, 07:47 AM

what the hell is a plinom baffle?

Don't you remember? It was in the plinom baffles of 4045 that we won our plinom and indefflendence.

maspino1

02-15-2008, 10:36 AM

haha what is plinom and indefflendence??

question for stealth crew:
in your first 2 weeks of growing did you notice your plants seemed to stall and then all
of a sudden it just picked up on growth immediately? as if they were just building their
root system and then they just rev the growth engines and get going?

SnSstealth

02-15-2008, 04:59 PM

alas rock...i am but a stoner...lol, heres the updates i promised last night...first 2 are the test lady, 3rd is the mutant still puttin out 3 leaves a node...and last 2 are just shots of the ladies in thier lovely purple room...heh
maspino...yeah, from what i have seen in this growth and my previous ones...the plants shoot up fast...then stall after first set of true leaves, i would assume setting the roots and what not..they really take off after you get your first or second 5 leaves....IMHO not facts i guess....
uh....marijuana is good...mmmmk?
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

hydrocannabis

02-15-2008, 05:39 PM

hot dam they look great. :D
so how hot do these lights get?

maspino1

02-15-2008, 07:01 PM

damn, your plants look fabulous!

SnSstealth

02-15-2008, 07:05 PM

thanks mas...and hydro, after they are on for 18 hours, its still just a lil warm to touch the glass....they dont put out much heat at alll....
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

Opie Yutts

02-15-2008, 07:14 PM

But what if the plant was surrounded in the LED's....like a tower of LED's between plants so the plant gets even more light...do we still need green then? Also Opie did you ever post that link to the website with all sorts of plant light info?

I think if you surround the plant that is best and it will get the most light that way, but IMO it's still going to want a full spectrum.

I just looked back through my bookmarks, and I'm not finding much for you. Looks like many that I saved, I saved the home page instead of the page with the info. Too stoned to look more. I might do better for you when I get on the laptop.

Opie Yutts

02-15-2008, 07:17 PM

haha what is plinom and indefflendence??

It's like whatever your imagination can make of it. For me, it means freedom and independence.

Opie Yutts

02-15-2008, 07:19 PM

I gotta tell ya SnS, I'm pleasantly surprised so far. I hope we can do as good in flower.

DoDoFoShoDoe

02-15-2008, 07:29 PM

If this has been prev. posted i appologize, but are you using any nutes with your plants? They are looking very happy and healthy stealth nice work.

dodo:rastasmoke:

SnSstealth

02-16-2008, 12:51 AM

as are we opie:jointsmile: thanks for the good words...
yeah dodo...we are using the fox farm line of nutes and their ocean forrest soil
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

Xyz505

02-16-2008, 05:30 AM

dude awsome i wish i had money to grow :(

maspino1

02-16-2008, 05:44 AM

save up bro, it's real good for the soul

SnSstealth

02-16-2008, 06:57 AM

save up bro, it's real good for the soul

couldnt agree more maspino:thumbsup:(just so this doesnt get mixed up I doughboy am learning from whiskey tango as we grow our plants) This is MY first grow and between the reading of the grow bible, the endless lighting research and just learning how to handle and take care of them has been very enlightening. I now see why people charge so much for it after so much work, and yes i realize its a tiny grow and experience will make things easier(scratch that) more predictable...lol I think ive read more in 3 months than in the other few decades ive been alive. its great to open the room and see where last night was sprouting leaves, standing up turn to flat broad leaves ready to use the light when you wake up. I never knew how much undergrowth pot plants had. fuckin amazing:D

Just............waiting..................for...... ..........flowering...........

WOW was that ever a ramble
Thanks to all,
Doughboy:smokin:

maspino1

02-16-2008, 08:17 AM

damn you're one dedicated guy, kudos to you doughboy :)
don't worry, you're not the only one suffering waiting... for.... flower.... ING! lol
:D

SantaClawz

02-16-2008, 04:27 PM

Im ready to see some buds. Anyone can grow leaves, its the finished product that counts. Tell em to hurry!

denial102

02-16-2008, 04:30 PM

SnSstealth

02-16-2008, 04:35 PM

swisha

02-16-2008, 04:41 PM

we have a lil 3 leafer aswell! every node produces 3 separate leaves, we call it wilber. its only about 1/3 the size of its siblings but we like to keep it around. it actually topped its self also, at around the second node it topped and continued on its 3 leaf way.

anyway nice grow, be interesting to see your harvest, everything looks on track tho! props on the grow.

BobBong

02-16-2008, 05:04 PM

I've been following this thread alot and i've gotta say that i'm starting to believe!

Even with the LED UFO i have here in our store the plant that is under it (Burgmansia in coco) is continuing to flower...

We'll see in the months to come i guess.. :thumbsup:

hatch

02-16-2008, 07:23 PM

thanks denial, they do look lovely huh ;) just around 8 in too!!!!look at all that side growth......start flowering in 8 days!!!!!! (ish)...lol
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

lol opie........LONG LIVE PLINOM AND INDELLFERANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ya, so I mis-spelled Plinom- It's Plenum- Still mean's the same-thing.
What tha Hell Is "LONG LIVE PLINOM AND INDELLFERNCE"?
Later

SnSstealth

02-16-2008, 07:33 PM

message was for opie.....Im sure opie gets it;)
WT

Opie Yutts

02-17-2008, 06:55 AM

Yes.:thumbsup:

hydrorascal

02-18-2008, 01:12 AM

Looks like you are doing a great job with the new lights... glad I found your thread.

Seemed to be a number of ppl here who are having trouble with 660nm parts... what size and output are ppl looking for ??

SnSstealth

02-18-2008, 01:24 AM

thanks hydro....ill have pics up around midnight, thats when the ladies wake up;)...its 830 here...wait till you guys see them now...we turned on the CO2 2 days ago, and have gotten almost 3 in of vert growth!! maybe more by the time the lights come on and i get the pics...it will be 48hrs at midnight they got CO2....the are at about 10in now, with crazy undergrowth....need some opinions about wether or not i should start cuttin out some of the side branches...got em at every leaf...including the mutant 3 leaf, which is putting out 3 leaves, AND 3 branches at each node...crazy shit....stay tuned........
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

and no rock...im not to stoned tonight, i will post the pics at midnight, gotta feed the girls, so i will be going in there....lol

SnSstealth

02-18-2008, 01:28 AM

couldnt agree more maspino:thumbsup:(just so this doesnt get mixed up I doughboy am learning from whiskey tango as we grow our plants) This is MY first grow and between the reading of the grow bible, the endless lighting research and just learning how to handle and take care of them has been very enlightening. I now see why people charge so much for it after so much work, and yes i realize its a tiny grow and experience will make things easier(scratch that) more predictable...lol I think ive read more in 3 months than in the other few decades ive been alive. its great to open the room and see where last night was sprouting leaves, standing up turn to flat broad leaves ready to use the light when you wake up. I never knew how much undergrowth pot plants had. fuckin amazing:D

Just............waiting..................for...... ..........flowering...........

WOW was that ever a ramble
Thanks to all,
Doughboy:smokin:

damn doughboy, i dont think our 20 plants would be a tiny grow.....:wtf:

lol....WT

maspino1

02-18-2008, 03:13 AM

hey stealth crew, just wanted to let you two know that i have confirmed a 3 leaf set as well on my plant
let me know the sex of your 3 leaf set so if i happen to have the same sex on my plant
then we could find out a presexing cursor on plants grown under LEDs
wow, imagine, we could be discovering something totally new to the scientific world for the first time :O

SnSstealth

02-18-2008, 03:59 AM

that would be cool....ours is doing it at every node though....the entire plant is sets of 3...but hell ya, we'll keep ya posted;)
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

ill actually put a few extra pics up for ya tonight when i go in there maspino...so you can compare the mutants

HackerClown

02-18-2008, 04:06 AM

1st post!!!

What's up guys~... Been reading through all the posts, very interesting SnSstealth. They do look beautiful so far. I will be keeping up with this project of yours.

Keep it up~

maspino1

02-18-2008, 04:11 AM

thanks whiskey :)

d4twamp

02-18-2008, 04:59 AM

hey wutz up this is my 1st post in any forum but im very interested in the led lights i'll keep watchin and thanx for the info guys

Opie Yutts

02-18-2008, 05:26 AM

Seemed to be a number of ppl here who are having trouble with 660nm parts... what size and output are ppl looking for ??

Hey, welcome rascal. Glad to have you aboard.

Trouble? What trouble? Certainly not availability.

Opie Yutts

02-18-2008, 05:29 AM

i have confirmed a 3 leaf set as well on my plant

I'm telling you it's aliens. They come down at night and mess with your LED's. You see, a certain combination of nanometer makes them crazy, so they alter the arrays to their liking. It's not a big problem, but it makes mutant plants.

Opie Yutts

02-18-2008, 05:33 AM

SnSstealth

02-18-2008, 05:41 AM

damn, so thats why they are called little green men?...lol
yes, welcome new ones....;)
heres the new update guys, maspino, ill post again after this with your 3 leaf pics
as usual, first 2 pics are the test plant, 3rd is 3 leaf mutant(alien), and last 2 are room pics...look at that 5th pic....six tops already...all at the same height,...GO ME!!!!....:D

so yeah.....look
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

SnSstealth

02-18-2008, 05:43 AM

Holy cow SnS, your thread is certainly drawing out the new recruits. Maybe it's because someone finally got half way close to enough wattage in an LED grow.

HackerClown, d4twamp, greetings guys. Welcome.

:icon506: ouch ouch...j/k

I'm telling you it's aliens. They come down at night and mess with your LED's. You see, a certain combination of nanometer makes them crazy, so they alter the arrays to their liking. It's not a big problem, but it makes mutant plants.

:abduct:close encounters of the third kind...think about it:D

Welcome to all the new posters

Doughboy:smokin:

SnSstealth

02-18-2008, 05:44 AM

maspino, heres a few shots for ya of the alien...first is top, second is in its light and third is an upshot so you can see all the sets of 3.....
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

d4twamp

02-18-2008, 05:51 AM

:D HOPE THEM LIL GREEN MEN LEAVE BEHIND NOTHIN BUD GREEN PLUS SIZE LADIES

D:jointsmile:

maspino1

02-18-2008, 06:08 AM

what are tops? man your plants look so good
thanks for showing me your 3 set leaf plant
im so close to buying a procyon right now, i can afford it but i just don't feel
like forking 6 bills lol
oh hey, there's gonna be a new 14w kit from hgl using cree lamps
im gonna buy some and do a grow log on that one too

PS> what is topping?? "it topped itself off..."

Opie Yutts

02-18-2008, 06:20 AM

what is topping?

Oh man, do a search. It's taking off the top, or last node of a stem, which makes 2 or more new ones, but slows growth by an hour or a week.

Opie Yutts

02-18-2008, 06:23 AM

HackerClown

02-18-2008, 07:39 AM

Those new pics are siiiiick man, haha.

What kind of box are you using to keep these in? What are the dimensions? Is that mylar for a reflective?

d4twamp

02-18-2008, 08:10 AM

hey sns do you think the 3 leaf formations are a freak led induced occurance being that maspino is getting the same results under leds

SnSstealth

02-18-2008, 12:26 PM

Looking fine so far. I love it.

For some reason the first photo of the last 8 makes me want to snap off the top half. Just above where those 50 branches are. Can we see if we can get 100 branches there, or something?

bushy little girl aint she?

What kind of box are you using to keep these in? What are the dimensions? Is that mylar for a reflective?

2'x8'x8' closet in my bedroom. yeah its mylar, works great too.

hey sns do you think the 3 leaf formations are a freak led induced occurance being that maspino is getting the same results under leds

its a little early to tell, seeing as we only have 1 from a total of 23 (originally). still cant wait to see what happens to her in flower!

Db:smokin:

tmayu2

02-18-2008, 02:19 PM

SnSstealth

02-18-2008, 03:47 PM

it MAY be alien from the LEDs...no way to tell yet, only one out of the 23 did it....before the cross, none of my jack herer or bubbleberry showed this deformity...so it may be from crossing them, or the light. OR....opie is right, the aliens came down, saw the wierd growing plants in purple, and decided to mate with it;)
Thats my story, and im sticking to it
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

ps...topping is what opie explained, tops, are where the plants is growing from....i topped 2 plants, and the 5th pic of 8 has 6 tops....

DoDoFoShoDoe

02-18-2008, 06:34 PM

Damn SnS those babies are looking great! Glad to here you are using the fox farm nutes with the ocean mix since that is what I will be going with in the near future once I can save some bills. Do you follow the fox farms chart or did you come up with your own?

Keep it up guys

dodo:jointsmile:

Opie Yutts

02-18-2008, 06:35 PM

im a first time grower and i currently have 1 plant under 2 cfls, my grow space isnt the tallest but is the most secretive so id like to keep it there is there any way i can keep the plant kind of short
sry to get off ur LED subject but it seems like theres alot of experienced growers here so i thought id ask

good luck with getting some quantity and quality out of the LEDs

You're looking for indica varieties, which are shorter and more bushy, as opposed to sativas which are taller and more skinny. Also check out lowryder or better lowryder2, which are ruderellas, which flower immediately whether you like it or not, under any light schedule. Look in seed banks for info on specific varieties, such as Marijuana Seeds (cannabis, pot) shipped worldwide (http://www.kindseed.com)

maspino1

02-18-2008, 11:24 PM

You're looking for indica varieties, which are shorter and more bushy, as opposed to sativas which are taller and more skinny. Also check out lowryder or better lowryder2, which are ruderellas, which flower immediately whether you like it or not, under any light schedule. Look in seed banks for info on specific varieties, such as Marijuana Seeds (cannabis, pot) shipped worldwide (http://www.kindseed.com)

sorry to step off the subjec stealth, but also try to grow in a smaller
container
i know that if i had a bigger pot my plants would also be much bigger, with a touch of second guessing there since i am using coir
so roots get more air

stealth> im worried that the 3 leaves may be the plant already decided
on being a hermie
im not sure yet of course but i just wanted to share thoughts just
in case i might forget later on and had to explain so it doesn't seem
like im just pointlessly rambling
another thing, would you think that it'd be invalidating our experiments
if i decided to put my plant in the sunset for like an hour and half?
he sun is just so bright and orange right now, i want to take advantage
of the free energy

SnSstealth

02-19-2008, 12:09 AM

of course i think setting them outside would be compromising.IMO...
WT

maspino1

02-19-2008, 12:32 AM

not outside, just on the windowsill
but i won't do it anymore, it only had about an hour of orange sunlight today
grr im so impatient

dgsgandalf

02-19-2008, 01:02 AM

There are other places that sell seeds for cheaper. Shop around a little and find the best deals. I just ordered some seeds from a company. Haven't received them yet (i'll let you know if there are any probs) but their prices are a lot lower than anywhere else i've seen.

Also, i seem to remember someone saying that a certain part of the light spectrum induces the plant to orient its branches toward the light, and it doesn't seem to me like your test plant is doing much orienting. Perhaps you are lacking the proper light spectrum for positive tropism (i think that's what that is called)? And if so, it would be a great experiment for the manufacturer to test what kind and how many lights in this spectrum are needed (fewer the better for most efficient use of energy) to induce this moving of branches.

Any thoughts?

Peace!

maspino1

02-19-2008, 01:08 AM

i totally forgot to ask! have you asked ryan at hgl to watch your grow??
im sure they've smoked weed before, they'd appreciate someone proving their creation
works on a plant as fussy as mj, im sure without direct approval

HackerClown

02-19-2008, 01:38 AM

Hey Opie Yutts, or anyone else for that matter. Has anyone ever had any problems ordering those seeds online to the U.S. that you were talking about???

On another note SnSstealth-

I was thinking about growing from the closet also. I saw some previous pictures and it appears you have some vents/tubes etc. what do you reccomend and how do you "install" something like that in your closet. Could you explain what/how you would make your "dream" set up inside your closet. Thanks bro~!!!

SnSstealth

02-19-2008, 02:47 AM

not doing much orienting? lol....we have to move the plants like 3 times a day...they follow the light no matter where you put em...i got six tops coming out of an 8 in plant...all the same height...sounds like decent light orientation to me...but what do i know....
as far as seedbanks go..i would never order from the "cheap" places...they make imitations of the same strains you read about...there are only a few seedbanks i would order from...i paid 400 dollars for 10 jack herer seeds, not even feminized...but i got them at sensi seed bank, the company that made jack herer....sure you can order jack for 150, but i wouldnt bet on it being jack...IMHO
we follow the fox farm chart dodo...but we add a lil extra until we see them acting like its too much...no problems yet;)
opie...i pulled a few leaves off today to let some of those side branches out...have pics up for ya in a day or 2...:thumbsup:
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

and maspino, we talked about the cree 14w kits a while back...definitely getting some for the next grow:jointsmile:

maspino1

02-19-2008, 02:55 AM

"six tops coming out of an 8"
i still don't get what that means
and seriously, i can barely contain my excitement about the 14w cree kit
i even made a countdown of it on my facebook lol

SnSstealth

02-19-2008, 06:09 AM

[i]
and seriously, i can barely contain my excitement about the 14w cree kit
i even made a countdown of it on my facebook lol

they set a release day yet?

Db:smokin:

SnSstealth

02-19-2008, 03:07 PM

and to the seed bank questions...it happens rarely, but i have gotten seeds in the mail too, never been busted or seeds lost, had a buddy not get his seeds from attitude seed bank...but like opie said, maybe they just got confinscated.....overgrow used to tell ya who was a good mail order company.......grrrrrrrr, fucking government had to go after them.....

DoDoFoShoDoe

02-19-2008, 03:54 PM

SnSstealth

02-19-2008, 04:00 PM

i follow the chart...actually go a lil over....
WT

tmayu2

02-19-2008, 04:04 PM

DoDoFoShoDoe

02-19-2008, 04:04 PM

Is it possible that i might be able to send yall a private message stealth? is that even possible on here?

lovetogrow

02-19-2008, 05:13 PM

your doing good stealth, keep up the good work.
and opie is opie you will learn that in time. but the best thing newbs can do is listen.

stinkyattic

02-19-2008, 07:22 PM

Okay. Digging deeper, Number1 and HackerClown are the same individual... and have a third, shadowy figure standing behind them.
I'm nuking both of those accounts. I had thought this was a simpler issue. UKF, why don't you stand up and take a bow? 2 new identities in one thread... :thumbsup:

physicsnole

02-19-2008, 08:01 PM

Hey SnS, when are the plants supposed to flower?

maspino1

02-19-2008, 09:43 PM

ya for real! i read on hgl's site when they last posted an update on the 11th of feb that it'd
be out as soon as 4 weeks! and at approximately $60 each
i hope the colors blend as well as they do on the current 14w kit

Opie Yutts

02-19-2008, 09:46 PM

SnS,

im not sure if you answered my prev post but did you say that you follow the FF chart they provide or do you go half str? Im just curious because i have read a lot of posts that state the FF chart they provide works great.

cant wait for the new pics!

dodo!:D

I've never completely followed their chart, but I've done it about half way or a little better. It worked pretty well. Obviously not well enough since I have been experimenting with nutrient brands, but I'm pretty sure you get what you pay for. I've always had just a bit of a yellowing and/or chlorosis problem, but I'm not sure if was Fox Farm's fault or not. I don't exactly do everything the way I'm supposed to.

Opie Yutts

02-19-2008, 09:55 PM

the thing is im already growing and i dont have the money to buy seeds offline, so there for im growing from bagseed so i have no idea what kind of bud it is prbly a mix of sat and ind, so i was wondering if there were any methods to make ur plants grow more compactly or something like that?

You could grow with all blue lights and make sure you have a bunch of them. Any light that spikes in the blue spectrum will help keep em short and bushy, unless you don't have enough of it. In that case it will stretch since it would think it's being shaded. Reddish/orangish light will make them stretch but is better for producing buds.

Bluish, vegging lights = around 5300-7500K
Orangish, budding lights = around 2300-3000K

Look for those numbers on the lights. Anything out of those ranges sucks for growing weed, and the outer limits of those ranges aren't real great either.

Also grow ruderellas sp? that flower automatically and end up short, or indica varieties, which are normally shorter than sativas.

Opie Yutts

02-19-2008, 09:59 PM

opie is opie.

What?!!! Since when? I hope that's a good thing, but...

specialak

02-19-2008, 10:02 PM

props for rollin the dice on new technology ppl should stop bitching lets get back on topic and see some fresh pics

SnSstealth

02-19-2008, 10:10 PM

ok first 2 pics are to hope to god maspino gets the whole topped topping thing...lol just pickin at ya mas....look at how the top of the first 2 pics has 2 tops, where as the rest all have one top...one point of growth....eh?
3rd pic is the test plant....i pulled a few fan leafs off some of them to let the sides out....this cross is doing serious side growth...gonna trim the hell outta them this weekend probably, and set them flowering a week from today....sounds like a plan
the last 2 pics are oooh aaaah pics of the room...
opie, i wish you all the luck in the world...Im hoping this LED thing is the ish...got alot in it, would be nice 4 years down the road to know that we were the few who got out and did it...made it more possible, or maybe more plausable for othres to get out and do it...thats why we started this thread...now there are like 3 or 4 others trying it...this could make any schmo who can get the LEDs able to grow...get rid of the beasters...and soon kind will be everywhere!!HAHAHA....(evil laugh attempt)
so yeah, i wish all of you would go out and get some LEDs...need someone to compare/suggest with ya know?...so make sure you all stay on here, cause we need all the opinions we can get..unless they are juvenile dribble (number 1, hackerclown..whatever your name is) and as far as the nutes go...i am giving them slightly more than the FF chart,,its a good chart for sure, i just wanna see what this cross can take:thumbsup:
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

Opie Yutts

02-19-2008, 10:11 PM

Hey specialak,

Clever screen name, and welcome to the club. If a little bitching is what it took to get you to join up, then so be it and stuff.

maspino1

02-19-2008, 10:17 PM

ok i do get it now stealth lol thanks
i got all excited for a second there, i thought your test plant had pistils on top but it was
just the underside of leaves :(

btw, when your plants are under the procyon it reminds me of poinsettias

Opie Yutts

02-19-2008, 10:21 PM

we need new pics of the grow?..i post new pics every 2-3 days

I think that's fine. I wouldn't want to feel obligated to do more than that.

maspino1

02-19-2008, 10:27 PM

besides, how much growth can possibly be seen with less time in between pics right?

SnSstealth

02-19-2008, 10:31 PM

yeah, think 3 days...we get about inch, inch and a half a day, so 3 days will be noticable to you guys, i notice every few hours, you know what i mean...lol
yes, thanks stinky and FNB, thats shit was cluttering our thread and really not needed on the site period...
poof!
WT

physicsnole

02-19-2008, 11:13 PM

Just for the heads up im buying approx 200 5W LED's for my array(s)(only gonna draw 100W though cause im gonna pulse the lights; 10% DC). 660, 470, 425, and 640nm with some yellow orange and green, the ratio actually came from Opie (thanks). Gonna take advantage of the shortness of the plant from the LED light to grow under a bed (approx 3'tall). Decided to go hydro for faster time and hopefully help the LED's with flowering since some people say LED's do not provide enough for flowering (I think 1000W of LED's should do the trick). CO2, nutes, the whole shebang (dont know correct spelling:stoned:). Hopefully with all these factors I will have plants overflowing with bud.

TaiKur

02-20-2008, 01:29 AM

wowzassss
im getting in on thiss cause i have plans to grow in my closet asap

SnSstealth

02-20-2008, 01:44 AM

sounds great physics, but if i may make a suggestion...before you do that much, see how ours flower, something might be differant than you thought, and then like us, you will need to eventually add lights...maybe:thumbsup:
WT

SnSstealth

02-20-2008, 02:39 AM

WOW physics. Whats the size of the array going to be, you surrounding the plant?
Db:smokin:

Weedhound

02-20-2008, 03:37 AM

They sure look damn nice in that last set of photos. :thumbsup:

SnSstealth

02-20-2008, 03:55 AM

thanks WH,

looking at your grow has got me wanting to top 1/2 the room. i'm not sure though, i still want comparable results and colas. the other plants seem to be doing fine without it.

on another note, Co2 definitely works w/ procyons. I dont really know about umols and such but as the room is mostly sealed, the plants rotated closest to the Co2 have had dramatic affect. just something ive noticed.

Db:smokin:
hey stirring, smoking and growing all at the same time:D

DoDoFoShoDoe

02-20-2008, 04:09 AM

I was wondering if it would be possible for you to post how old the beautiful plants are when you update pics every 3 days. Just easier for me to follow along. Looking amazing stealth crew i can only hope they do as well in flowering youll be getting some gorgeous buds.

dodo

physicsnole

02-20-2008, 04:17 AM

Wiskey- your exactly right. Cant wait for them to flower. The grow is actually set for May so I have a while to change things up. I was also thinking of also using HPS for flowering but I hope 1000W of LED's are enough.

Db- The array is gonna be huge. The lights are going to be randomly spread over the 6'x8'(ish) cover (and also on the inside walls) to the grow box. Going to have a water cooling system for the LED's, I was thinking a small tubing stsyem and a small radiator would be fine. As for wiring...i'm trying to figure out as I speak.

physicsnole

02-20-2008, 04:37 AM

http://www.ledgrow.eu/IMG_1780.JPG

This was done on 60W of LED's so im pretty sure yours are gonna be great

hydrorascal

02-20-2008, 05:19 AM

physicsnole ... what brand of 660nm 5w did you find ?? Id sure like to see a spec sheet on one.

FWIW... Ive found that closer is always better with leds too...

bballsk8er333

02-20-2008, 05:50 AM

bookmarked !! looks good so far

luissotelo

02-20-2008, 06:14 AM

CAN YOU EXPLAIN ABOUT THE TEST PLANT? BY THE WAY THEY LOOK REALLL HEALTHY DUDE GOOD JOB! AND THOSE LIGHTS ARE WHAT I JUST NEED IM BEEN WATHCING ON THE SIDELINE HOPE THEY PRODUCE BUT BY THERE LOOKS IM PRETTY SURE THEY WILL DELIVER! AND YOU SAID ALL L.E.D. FROM SEED TO HARVEST? JUST KEEP THE LIGHTS HIGH SO NOT TO BURN THE LITTKE ONES?

SnSstealth

02-20-2008, 10:23 AM

the test plant is just the one we use to take pics. that way you guys can see the growth better than if there where differant pics everytime.
dont really need to worry about burning with LEDs.....
60w did that? we are golden then;)
and yea...from now on, ill add age to update pics....
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

SnSstealth

02-20-2008, 10:25 AM

and WH...your plants where the inspiration for a few of ours;)....got one baby with 6 tops already;)
:smokebong:
WT

maspino1

02-20-2008, 12:04 PM

http://www.ledgrow.eu/IMG_1780.JPG

This was done on 60W of LED's so im pretty sure yours are gonna be great

omg!!!! that's from led's, that is amazinngggg
oh god, im fighting every urge to just go and order the procyon right now
it's better to see results from stealth as well though
ah! im so excited!!:blueknife:

Jerry Garcia 2007

02-20-2008, 12:47 PM

Stelth,

Plants are looking great so far:) Still waiting for the pudding in about 10 weeks though.

Maspino,
Pics can be deceiving, Nice buds but what are the stats? total weight dry, how many plants, strain?

Dodofo,
I use the FF chart to the T and works great, the only alterations are 1 tsp. ph down and 2 tsp. mollases per gallon of water. I have had no nute issues following this, well worth the cost. Check my log to see. I am at the end of flower now.

SnSstealth

02-20-2008, 01:05 PM

maspino1

02-20-2008, 01:21 PM

lol not me, those aren't my buds

Jerry Garcia 2007

02-20-2008, 01:45 PM

Sorry Maspinol, that question is directed to Phyisicsnole.

SnSstealth

02-20-2008, 03:05 PM

physics...where did ya find another LED grow?...It would be awesome if you can give us a link to that pic....looks like about an ounce dry though.......need stats!!!...lol
jerry, feel free to post a link to your thread if ya like...we follow FF chart to the T also, but been adding a lil extra grow big....plants seem to love it....i wanna see how they react to more nutes...but you definitely cant go wrong following their chart...got a few friends that swear by it
WT

Jerry Garcia 2007

02-20-2008, 03:30 PM

Yeh that Grow big is great stuff :) I use it in varying amounts in almost everthing including my house plants, foiler feeding, etc.

But when it comes to flowering, Open Sessimie, and Cha ChinG are the key to outstanding buds.

physicsnole

02-20-2008, 03:36 PM

Here is the page I saw Growing Marijuana with LED, Growshow (http://www.ledgrow.eu/)

As for stats they didnt put any out....still looks nice for 60W LED. I just cant wait for SnS's plants to flower!

stinkyattic

02-20-2008, 03:42 PM

Oh man, that link is to a grow RIDDLED with powdery mildew... not particularly good advertising! This thread shows FAR healthier plants!!!

Jerry Garcia 2007

02-20-2008, 03:50 PM

Ok I got 6 plants in a 2'x3' grow space.

6 plants will give me around 12 oz min under my HPS. 600 watts though not 60 watts. Also most smokers couldn't get enough personal from that to survive between harvests.

JMO.

DoDoFoShoDoe

02-20-2008, 04:25 PM

Jerry,

im sorry for being semi-off topic but what is the benifits from using molasses? Also what is the pH of the feeding solution after using the pH down?

dodo

Jerry Garcia 2007

02-20-2008, 04:47 PM

Mollases has sugars and other benificial nutes. All the experts are watching this thread and can explane the benefits better than me.

The reason for the ph down is to counter the mollases and my tap water is 7. Mollses tends to raise your ph and too much will cause nute lock. But to answer your question my final watering ph is between 6 and 6.2 ph.

physicsnole

02-20-2008, 06:33 PM

Oh man, that link is to a grow RIDDLED with powdery mildew... not particularly good advertising! This thread shows FAR healthier plants!!!

Ya I was only using it as a comparison for SnS's grow, considering his plants are much healthier than the link I found. It was just to show minimum results from a 60W LED grow.

SnSstealth

02-20-2008, 08:01 PM

ha..thanks stinky, i take pride in loving my plants;) wont be any icky mildew on these girls...instead of molasses try succanant..at least for organic people..i dont really know shit about dro though, lol...i am but a dirty boy:cool:
thats pretty good yeilds jerry...600w 6 plants 12oz?...wow, and we got all 6 of fox farms nutes...now they have sledgehammer...its a flusher for salt build-up and nute intake....might get that one
:smokebong:
whikseytango

SnSstealth

02-20-2008, 08:05 PM

physicsnole

02-20-2008, 08:33 PM

ew...our plants look way better!!! those things look whimpy and thin too!! damn i cant wait till we harvest, we already got plants thicker and bushier than theirs at harvest!!! not to dog them, but i think we will have way better results;)
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

Ya thats why I posted the picture so people could see how much better your plants already look and they haven't even started flowering yet.

maspino1

02-20-2008, 10:41 PM

hey, did some googling
the 3 leaf branches are called whorled phyllotaxy
you can read more at this link
whorled phyllotaxy - Google Search (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&rls=com.microsoft:en-ca&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=whorled+phyllotaxy&spell=1)

SnSstealth

02-20-2008, 11:10 PM

http://boards.cannabis.com/growing-information/140947-whorled-phyllotaxy

poof........theres a thread on it
:smokebong:
WT

physicsnole

02-20-2008, 11:55 PM

I found something interesting on this web page The spectrum (http://www.botany.uwc.ac.za/ecotree/photosynthesis/spectrum.htm#light)

about half way down it says this
Sunlight contains 4% ultraviolet radiation, 52% infrared radiation and 44% visible light.

I wonder if plants use Infra Red light to grow?

physicsnole

02-20-2008, 11:58 PM

Never mind....didnt read the line right below it....I got so excited thinking it was the missing link in LED growing...:rastasmoke:...too much vaporizer

physicsnole

02-21-2008, 12:09 AM

Blue light is primarily responsible for vegetative leaf growth. Red light, when combined with blue light, encourages flowering.

Found that on this site Colorado State University Master Gardener - Plant Growth Factors: Light (http://www.ext.colostate.edu/mg/files/gardennotes/142-Light.html)

So I wonder if having alot more blue light during the vegetative phase would make even healthier and bigger plants as SnS' (not dissing your plants look amazing-just dreamin here:smokin:) and then in the flowering stage we will provide red light....

physicsnole

02-21-2008, 12:25 AM

Im sorry for all these threads but Im finding some good information I thought you guys would enjoy:

From this website http://www.iupac.org/publications/pac/1991/pdf/6301x0123.pdf

Carotenoids are involved in several aspects of photosynthesis, notably light absorption and energy transfer to the reaction center (RC) complex and protection of the photosynthetic apparatus from damage by strong illumination.

LIGHT ABSORPTION BY CAROTENOIDS IN THE COMPLEXES
The location of the absorption maximum of carotenoids depends on the number of conjugated double bonds; in the case of 9 double bonds (p-carotene), it is located around 4 5 0 ~ min non-polar organic solvents. In the photosynthetic apparatus, the maxima are usually shifted to the red by ca. 30 nm (-1500 cm-l) (ref. 3). One possible explanation of this red shift is the presence of a point charge on _the_ po lypeptide (ref. 3)

There are several clear pieces of evidence for a protective effect of carotenoid against damage due to high photon density.

So having the additional 450nm(450-490nm) wavelength for the carotenoids would help plant growth in many ways.

SnSstealth

02-21-2008, 03:43 AM

well thats good physics...since we have i think 7 red to 1 blue....if they are veging this good then the should be outstanding for flower....yippie
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

SnSstealth

02-21-2008, 04:13 AM

luissotelo

02-21-2008, 04:31 AM

all at once if not you will get different sizes unless that is what you want, also those bottom branches gotta go they just use plant energy and blocks them from getting proper light well thats my opinion. I saw a guy tie the crap out of thes two plants literaly made an o with th tip tide to the pot and the branches shot up buds real cool expect he had weak ass cfls imagen with your lights.??

hatch

02-21-2008, 04:33 AM

Week Before, Give it to heal. And it will transition in-to flowering faster and more vigorously.Good luck.Later

hatch

02-21-2008, 04:45 AM

SnSstealth

02-21-2008, 05:02 AM

how would that not be ACCURATE?...im only talking about taking a few off the very bottom that arent developing well...remember, when you flower, the girls will double almost tripplr in height, so i DO wanna cut a few off the very bottom that arent developing well to make room for the ones that will...but what do i know....
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

hatch

02-21-2008, 05:18 AM

When they stretch, The lower Site's will get better light? If you Hack-them the bottom will be bare. Hey that's My2Cent's, You do What you want!! It's your Grow. You ask for opinion and I gave you Mine. Later

Weedhound

02-21-2008, 05:26 AM

I think I'm missing the part about accuracy as well. Lighting, topping, accuracy? I got lost.

Stealth if you want to prune them I agree with what was said....prune them all at once and then give them about a week to heal before turning.

SnSstealth

02-21-2008, 05:49 AM

hatch...why so damn testy all the time?....smoke more....didnt need to hell the fuck no me....let me phrase this differantly...if you look at my pics....there is overgrowth on some of the bottom branches...the developed healthy ones i will leave, but im taking all the very bottom branches that arent developing, that will take energy from the tops...off....i thought thats what ganja growers have been doing for decades...but again...what do i know...i did ask for opinions, but when i got a question back, if your gonna get heated, just dont answer anything on here anymore...we dont need that shit in here....just had problems with that a few days ago....

thanks for the imput WH and luis:jointsmile:...thats what i thought, just wanted a few opinions...fed them and raised the lights tonight...trimming-pruning tomorrow...next step.......FLOWERING!!!
:smokebong:
WT

hatch

02-21-2008, 08:20 AM

Don't Mean to be testy, (Don't know why you take it that way?)
I try to give you a quick to the point answer or question. What's up with that.
You asked, we answer, Pardon the French!! But when you have waited all this time with your led Grow, And some-one Tell's You to start hacking it Down from the Bottom Up!! And not Giving it A chance of proving any-thing was a Bad Call!! And not to prune for more Bud-Site's and let it go Swim or sink.
I Have no problem on not posting in your thread!! I don't say anything but compliment's, Discuss on topic's, and answer a few of your question's.Later

maspino1

02-21-2008, 08:30 AM

i really hate how everyone really has to have the last word, positive or negative
let's just focus on stealth's led grow from now on pleaseeee

juggaloscrub

02-21-2008, 11:39 AM

What up all? I just wanna say thanks to you SnSstealth your plants are lookin damn good. Thanks to erryone else too for helpin out on this grow. Its a pretty important one. I'm about to get back from Iraq and i'll be out of the army soon after and you know I'll be settin up a room and i thought I had it all planed out till i started readin this post. yea thanks. lol but yea good look and i'll keep watchin much love homie.

physicsnole

02-21-2008, 02:50 PM

i really hate how everyone really has to have the last word, positive or negative
let's just focus on stealth's led grow from now on pleaseeee

Thank you Maspino!!!

stinkyattic

02-21-2008, 07:36 PM

Judge whether you should remove low branches by their appearance.
Are the branches thick and strong or thin and weak?
Do the leaves they bear appear pale and curled, or similar to what you consider a healthy fan?
These things tell you how important they are to the plant. Spindly, weak growth is typically pruned off flowering plants, not just cannabis.
Rose bushes, for example, should always have the weak branches/shoots removed to increase flower size and quality on the remaining branches, and allow air to move more freely around the base of the plant, helping to avoid the fungal problems that plague flower growers.
Low hormone concentrations in these low, weak branches also mean that the plant will barely notice their absence and no 'recovery' time is needed. 2 weeks' recovery after a prune is necessary when you have removed a dominant tip with high hormone production.
Hatch, consider phrasing your responses in ways that do not appear argumentative, okay? It would be easier for everyone.

Weedhound

02-21-2008, 07:39 PM

Stinkster, when pruning do you agree with pruning all at once then a healing period or do you think a leaf or two a day is the better way to go?

d4twamp

02-21-2008, 07:44 PM

ok...question for the pro's here...kinda need this answer in the next day or 2...im gonna do some good pruning few days before i go into flowering....few fan leaves, some underdeveloped sidebranches, and top a few more....should i do it all at once, or 2 or 3 sessions....whould i do it right before induction of flowering?...same night?...week before?....gimme some ideas guys...
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

HEY STEALTH CREW I DON'T CLAIM TO BE A PRO... BUT IVE RESEARCHED ABOUT TO TRIM(fan leaves)OR NOT TO TRIM... WHAT I'VE FOUND IS THAT THE FAN LEAVES ACTUALLY PRODUCE SUGARS THAT THE PLANT USES AS ENERGY, SO EVEN THOUGH THEY MIGHT BLOCK SOME OF THE LOWER PORTION OF THE PLANT FROM LIGHT, THE NATRUAL SUGARS THEY PRODUCE IS GOING TO DELIVER ENERGY TO THE PLANT.... JUST INFO I'VE LEARNED.... YOUR GROW YOUR DECISION... MAYBE TRY A TRIM EXPIRIMENT TOO... WELL THATS MY 2 CENTS.......
LATER D:S5:

stinkyattic

02-21-2008, 07:44 PM

Stinkster, when pruning do you agree with pruning all at once then a healing period or do you think a leaf or two a day is the better way to go?Well I never see a reason to remove leaves unless they are blocking access/air flow around your hydroponic emitter systems.
But for the other stuff, all at once, never removing more than a third or so of the plant's total mass at any single pruning- this includes when taking clones.

physicsnole

02-21-2008, 08:18 PM

Hey SnS, im starting my own thread for creating the "ultimate" LED grow light so i can stop cluttering up your thread...ill still be checking yours everyday though. So Opie, Maspino, SnS, check my thread and gimme some input
http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-lighting/150174-perfect-led-grow-light.html#post1812805

hydrorascal

02-21-2008, 10:08 PM

7 to 1 is not the best ratio of red to blue...even for bloom. Plants need and want a better mix. 65% red, 35% blue seems to be about the best.

Both %'s include all the red and blue spectrums in the array.

Your gals are looking better and better with every pic set ....

SnSstealth

02-21-2008, 10:30 PM

thanks stinky and WH for confirming what i thought....the ones i was talking about trimming of are exactly like that...paler, curled...while the branches that are strong thick and continue sprouting, will stay...i only removed a few fan leaves, they were blocking a few crucial side branches.....appreciate the imput everyone
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

Opie Yutts

02-21-2008, 11:02 PM

Hatch, consider phrasing your responses in ways that do not appear argumentative, okay? It would be easier for everyone.

I think this is the deal hatch. She pretty much nailed it. We appreciate your input. It just kinda seems like sometimes you are the definitive authority on a subject.

Opie Yutts

02-21-2008, 11:04 PM

7 to 1 is not the best ratio of red to blue...even for bloom. Plants need and want a better mix. 65% red, 35% blue seems to be about the best.

Both %'s include all the red and blue spectrums in the array.

I pretty much agree, but I'm thinking more like 80/20 or so.

SnSstealth

02-22-2008, 01:01 AM

80 20 is close to what we are going i believe opie....they look so sexy now!!! tonight i do some serious clipping....have pics up later of them...and contrary to popular belief it seems, im by NO means a novice to growing...just to LEDS...there are many ways to give imput and not be arguementative(spelling)...especially when your wrong....i appreciate your point hatch, but notice it goes against what everyone else is saying...so dont jump my shit, definitely when you are wrong anyway.....thanks all!!! ill take pics tonight right after the trimming...then 5-7 days...WE FLOWER!!!! woo-hoo
late guys
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

should i send a link of this thread to high times guys?

and these ratios for blue red are right...for who? who tried those on pot and proved they were right? Im not saying you guys are wrong at all....isnt trial and error gonna tell us what really works? please guys, save your money...physics, opie...dont build and spend till we see what i get....just trying to help

physicsnole

02-22-2008, 01:02 AM

should i send a link of this thread to high times guys?

I say definitely

isnt trial and error gonna tell us what really works? please guys, save your money...physics, opie...dont build and spend till we see what i get....just trying to help

Ya I think you are right. I do want to do a small 1-3 plant test grow with various LED light ratios and wavelengths

maspino1

02-22-2008, 01:53 AM

you should totally spread word to high times, i'll even buy the magazine if i know what issue
they'll put you in lol

SnSstealth

02-22-2008, 03:56 AM

71% red, 29% blue. but thats just the light count. between different outputs and wavelength differences...etc.. i couldnt really tell you what the actual ratios are of which nm are reaching the plant in what amounts

Db:smokin:

Melskid

02-22-2008, 05:03 AM

SnS, I'm going to get a Procyon 100 shortly. I can't figure out how to look at your Babies though. Help I'm curious to see them

BobBong

02-22-2008, 05:50 AM

Stickied for your viewing pleasure. :stoned:

physicsnole

02-22-2008, 06:06 AM

ill be back when the babies get up at midnight, show you how bad i butcher them

Hey your late....no im just kidding. Im really excited to see updated pics..:rastasmoke:

SnSstealth

02-22-2008, 06:12 AM

SnS, I'm going to get a Procyon 100 shortly. I can't figure out how to look at your Babies though. Help I'm curious to see them

welcome Melskid, now that youve registered and posted you should be able to scroll back a page or two and see them. taking more tonight.

WT is trimming them right now. resisting the urge to rip the scissors out of his hand..:wtf:...lol

Thanks Bob

Db:smokin:

SnSstealth

02-22-2008, 06:33 AM

ok...i have stopped crying from the torture of the girls...but heres the new pics....soon as they start going again...FLOWER time!!!!
first 2 pics are the trimmed one i topped and promoted the sides good....8 tops on it...i owe this beaut to lookin at WH plants...thanks WH!!!
3rd is the test trimmed, and the rest are all the ladies with their lipo....lol enjoy
:smokebong:
WT

SnSstealth

02-22-2008, 06:34 AM

did we get stickied?......cool
WT

Melskid

02-22-2008, 03:04 PM

did we get stickied?......cool
WT
SNS those are looking good. I'm curious since these lamps don't generate that much heat could I use mirrors in my closet to help with the lighting of the plants?

dgsgandalf

02-22-2008, 04:30 PM

Hey Sns, to kill 2 birds with 1 stone, when you begin flowering, you might consider taking a few of the ladies out of the LED room and flowering them under a HPS. You'll still have the results from the many plants flowering under the LEDs but you'll also have a comparison of weight from extremely similar plants flowering under 2 different scenarios. It will show how well plants respond to the light change and it will expand your experiment to cover another question many of us may be asking; is it effective to veg plants under LEDs then move them under HPS to maximize harvest?

Just some thoughts

Peace!:jointsmile:

BobBong

02-22-2008, 04:38 PM

physicsnole

02-22-2008, 06:10 PM

Weedhound

02-22-2008, 07:02 PM

Well I freely admit i know NOTHING about lighting but those look like some fine, happy, healthy plants to me. :thumbsup:

norkali

02-22-2008, 08:37 PM

I second that motion to compare under an HPS....

:thumbsup: Amazing either way, can't wait to see what they will do under those LED's.

SnSstealth

02-22-2008, 09:18 PM

while it sounds like a great idea...we came into a one time stack o loot.....dont have a HPS...the point of this grow is to have an all LED grow...especially since i dont have my HPS or MH anymore!....lol but i have grown jack herer and bubbleberry many times before, so iwould estimate a yeild of about 2oz per plant w HPS...ill use that for comparison....but remember...the LEDs will produce even more potent herb...no one really knows why yet, for sure, but it happens...
so it doesnt look like i butchered them bad WH? those first 2 pics were a plant im trying to get to grow like your church did....heh...what im not getting here, is bubbleberry is 70% sativa, and jack herer is about the same.....dont know about you guys, but these plants look very indica to me.....may change come flowering...see how the buds form...soon guys...soon.......
peace, pot and micro dots
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

and since i am comparing EVERYTHING abou this grow to my previous grows....if i hooked up a HPS, that will fuck up me monitoring the energy consumption of the room.

and yeah bob...the 90w UFO CLAIMS to do as good as a 600 HPS....but we got 3 procyon 100w with better red/blue ratio...so i hope the 3 of these are more in comparison to a 1k HPS

zebulon

02-22-2008, 10:13 PM

bubbleberry is 70% sativa

"Original Blueberry is a mostly Indica (80% Indica, 20% Sativa)"

Is it possible that there are more variations of the Blueberry???

Weedhound

02-23-2008, 04:45 AM

Don't try that on MY thread luis. :wtf:

Stealth I've noticed that know that I have a 400w mh ALL my plants' leaves seem to be growing wider and larger in general....I'm wondering if that's just a sign of good lighting for your plants. Maybe i'm just stoned but I was honestly thinking that the other day myself.....both the Whiteberry and WW I'm growing now have a fair amount of sativa in them yet both their leaves look very much like the ones on your plants.

That's just an off the wall stoner's theory......:D

SnSstealth

02-23-2008, 07:22 PM

good theory WH....makes sense

and the ratios...im going off of the big book of buds vol1.....pg 79...bubbleberry is 70 sativa....there are variations of many strains, ive seen 6-7 "blueberry"...but DJ short has the original blueberry...i only get my stats on strains from the shop that made the strain...im sure reefermans jack herer, is nothing to sensi seeds jack herer...question answered??? and bubbleberry id half bubblegum and half blueberry....more sativa in the bubblegum, and im sure they picked a more sativa oriented blueberry for their cross......been working with these few strains for years....lol

:smokebong:
whiskeytango

maspino1

02-23-2008, 09:52 PM

aw hell naw, im not falling for that again

Opie Yutts

02-24-2008, 12:24 AM

Those guys don't look as professional. Their proof and pictures sucks. They say it rivals HPS, kinda doubt it. Looks like they only have two colors. What about carotenoids?

adahars37

02-24-2008, 01:31 AM

SnSstealth, nice looking grow. i am currently looking at led grow lights and was wondering if you know anything about the LED UFO?

hydrorascal

02-24-2008, 04:15 AM

HH... as I said in the other led thread... the link you posted is to 'one more time' .. another 2 spectrum led piece of junk....

Yes .. 2 spectrums will grow plants... plants grow under cfl's .. soo they do adapt.

The pic by my nic shows my seedling unit on its side... and for a seedling unit I use more than 2 spectrums... why ?? Because plants want and need them for optimum growth !!!!

HillBillMT

02-24-2008, 06:56 AM

try two ..... well i like what i see so far, i signed up taday just because of this thread so double toke to ya ,,,, i have not yet vested in theese yet, but will soon. i look forward to watching your progress. i will be moving soon to a place that is 'off the grid', nothing new for me, but i still want ta have an indoor garden. this is not practicle with hps, and skechy with floresants. when your power is stored in batteries it realy limmits the power you can consume.... thanks fer pullin me in and ill be back often .... frome the 'high' country, HB :chainsaw:

SnSstealth

02-24-2008, 12:55 PM

thanks adahars and hillbill, through the one hps vs. ufo you tube i saw and the experiments going on over at greenpinelane. i dont believe it has enough power to control growth. the plant in the video stretched like crazy, granted he didnt LST or try to control the growth at all. in fact alot of them fell over. my main concern w/ UFO is that the power rating is consumption, instead of led usage as in the procyon(got this from both horses mouths). in other words they use 15w to 20w of power for the converter which leaves 50 w for the LEDs, whereas the procyons (100W nominal LED power delivery, 125W total power consumption)sees much more power delivered to the lights. And at the same price of admission i couldnt see buying a UFO.

another new poster! wow this is a popular subject.

maspino...aw hell naw...lol

man I would love to get off the grid and out of the city. as far as investing, Id probably wait to see how we end. I would have no problem recommending as a veg light for those w/ the cash. anything beyond that is speculation at the moment.

Db:smokin:

SnSstealth

02-24-2008, 02:19 PM

WAIT!...is that....IT IS:yippee:we have pre-flower on 2 of them:dance::woohoo:<---Db, and about 5 days from light time change sweeeeeeeeeet

Db:smokin:

Balkey

02-24-2008, 06:58 PM

UGH!!!!! Can we pleaseeee just focus on SnS's grow here!!!!!:stoned::stoned:

Love it SnS, your women are looking beautiful. I've been here from the beginning and am looking forward to teh end!!! :thumbsup::thumbsup:

DoDoFoShoDoe

02-24-2008, 08:13 PM

Plants are looking so good stealth. hope you get hella lot of ladies in there. Keep up the excellent work both of yall.

dodo!:stoned::rasta::rasta:

SnSstealth

02-25-2008, 04:53 AM

fraction of the cost?,,,our procyons cost the exact same as the UFOs, and put out 15 more w.....do your research and you might have know this if you wouldve read the rest of the thread....
WT

SnSstealth

02-25-2008, 05:11 AM

wel guys.....ogt lil lovely white haits sproutin on quite a few o the ladies!!!!!! so the lights just came on at midnight...let them stay on till 6 for their last 18hrs....then they will wake up at 6 in the morning!!!!!yay!!! so flowering shall begin i guess tues morn?.....this is it guys...wish us luck....
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

TheFanLeft

02-25-2008, 05:31 AM

man, I've been excitedly waiting for those words the whole time...after reading that I think it might have moved. (seinfeld joke)

Looking great so far! I really hope LEDs have made it, best potential start I've seen to date. Excellent work sns crew! You should get some college credit for this experiment....maybe some grant money, well in a more rational world maybe.

Opie Yutts

02-25-2008, 08:05 AM

luissotelo,

1) As SnS is suggesting, typing in all caps on the web means you either defining a category or yelling. Since I don't think you were defining a category, stop yelling at me. It doesn't get your issue addressed more readily, in fact the opposite is probably true. It is most likely a turn off, and it most definitely screams noobie.

2) People will be happy to help if you have a specific question. Nobody is going to take the time to teach you something like CO2 theory and practice. There are many ways to set it up, and when done properly it's supposed to give you about 30% greater yield per harvest, and an extra harvest or two per year. For some pretty good info check out the Green Air web site (a popular brand). If you read their web site and a tutorial or two, and still have questions, I'll be happy to try and help you. Perhaps put "green air co2 generator" into your favorite search engine. This is in the qrow faqs, but there are many more threads as well: http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-faqs/78290-how-use-co-generator-basic.html

3) Think about what you are doing before posting in someones thread. Instead of going completely off topic, try starting your own thread. People often get a little pissy (some more than others) if you clutter their threads with irrelivent posts, or questions that can be answered by looking in the grow faqs, or by searching. Especially posts in all caps.

4) Don't feel bad about making mistakes or going against etiquette when you are new. We all got to learn at some point, just make sure you try to learn from your mistakes.

I hope this is helpful.

Opie Yutts

02-25-2008, 08:10 AM

Hey TheFanLeft, welcome to the club. Glad to have you. I too am excited to see how these plants do at flowering.

SnSstealth

02-25-2008, 12:54 PM

SnSstealth

02-25-2008, 01:21 PM

Hey guys,

I wanted to give an update on the room setup. when building the closet, I had this "great" idea to use a regular shower curtain and line it w/ mylar to cover the 5' x 7' opening. worked ok, but the noise issues were ridiculous and the constant battle w/ duct tape, so we took that out yesterday. my roommate and I (read i dont know construction and he does) framed the opening and it now has a plywood door and much more controlled venting w/ range hood ducting (2, 3" x 10"). have to finish with mylar and seal cracks this morn. I am much happier w/ this design and wish i had done it in the first place.

DB:smokin:

P.S. Opie, your selflessness knows no bounds and thank you for your help:thumbsup:

Weedhound

02-25-2008, 01:55 PM

Stealth you may want to consider flat white paint at some point rather than mylar. MUCH easier to deal with. ;)

SnSstealth

02-25-2008, 02:15 PM

Stealth you may want to consider flat white paint at some point rather than mylar. MUCH easier to deal with. ;)

Yeah i know, but with the LEDs I wasnt sure how good the reflection would be. they are not a bright white light reflecting off a white wall. still just guessing here. I even toyed with the idea of louminous magenta paints. Just as light is broken up into red, green, and blue, the base pigments for paint are magenta yellow and green. magenta paint is that color because it absorbs green light and reflects red and blue. hmmm...

any chance youve seen this: liquidreflector (http://www.liquidreflector.com/) its the stuff they use to make lines on the road (or the same theory at least). I may try combining the magenta paint w/ the glass beads...lol.

Db:smokin:

P.S. sorry WH got going and it became techie;):D

stinkyattic

02-25-2008, 02:25 PM

Wow this thread is like the ultimate breeding ground for spammers and threadjacks, lol.
I've removed several posts (and a couple 'members' who obviously are only here to advertise their product or get their hands held) and left only Opie's response, which I hope prospective trheadjackers and spammers will read before cluttering up this log even more!
Grr.

SnStealth, if you don't mind I would like to sticky this since it is an excellent log PLUS a good discussion of LED theory that prospective LED growers should be able to find easily...

mrcl0wn

02-25-2008, 03:33 PM

well, i would also like to say my friend and i are in the same boat. We had our very first successful grow op, using only flouro's and uv's, we grew 1 mango, 1 sweettooth, and 1 hash.

we just used reg soil, and cheapest everything , lol . each plant only got about 1/8th to 1/4 of an ounce. not much at all, but hey we were happy for our first time, we got some dank bud.

now this time around we heard about all the talk about LED and HPS, well we don't have the money to order any HPS let alone run the damn thing, so we just recently ordered and set up 4 LEDS.

We have 10 femenized blue berry seeds running under these lights.
planted in fox farm ocean floor, and using fox farm nutes.

i'm guessing these LEDS will definitely grow a lot bigger buds than flouros every could, but the real question is.. do they stand up to the HPS.

we bought 4 LED SUNSHINE ALL PURPOSE GROW LAMP SUN BOARDS.

we found them for a great price on ebay. most places want 80-100$ for just one board, and we found 4 of them for $200 by outbidding on ebay.

more info on the lights here.

4 LED Sunshine ALL PURPOSE GROW Lamp Sun Boards 900 LED - eBay (item 220202665770 end time Feb-25-08 14:14:25 PST) (http://cgi.ebay.com/4-LED-Sunshine-ALL-PURPOSE-GROW-Lamp-Sun-Boards-900-LED_W0QQitemZ220202665770QQihZ012QQcategoryZ42225Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

So, i myself am really excited to see what LED's bring to the table. we were pretty disappointed at what flouros did, although i suppose it was better than nothing, lol.

i will def take pics every month and keep ya'll updated! :hippy:

SnSstealth

02-25-2008, 03:36 PM

stinky, we would love the sticky.....heh,thanks for the recognition of what we are doing. getting tired of being told we are doing stuff wrong when, well,....look at the plants...lol yeah, these guys dont seem to like us for some reason...lol....from now stinky, i will not flip out on the thread and let you guys handle it;)...........FLOWERING GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:S1:

and WH...you are probably right, i have always done flat white in the past, we just tried the mylar this time for the LEDs....next grow!!

WH:smokebong:

SnSstealth

02-25-2008, 03:45 PM

see stinky!!!! sorry mrclown, unless you have been here under differant names....but see maspinos thread...you got china panels...they wont grow pot well at all..if they even sprout sorry to be the bearer of bad news...the only light out there i think you can come close to comparing the procyon with is the UFO....and thats not even really a comparison......

WT

stinkyattic

02-25-2008, 03:48 PM

I really like flat white for the simple reason that dirty white paint is more reflective than dirty mylar, lol! The moment you start using sprays, your mylar is going to suffer, and since sprays are so useful, it is a good idea to EXPECT that you will at some point be using them.

Mr.Clown, UV lights (I assume blacklights?) don't do a thing for cannabis. Plus, the initial investment for HPS is LOWER than for LED... ??? Please don't post links to items for sale as it violates site rules, thanks.

I'm sticking this with a slightly altered title - I hope it will avoid more spamming to make the title clearer that it is your LOG- let me know if you want it changed back, or changed in a different way.

Weedhound

02-25-2008, 03:53 PM

Great new title! Thank god the Stinkster keeps them in line. ;)

SnSstealth

02-25-2008, 03:54 PM

thanks again stinky...think the sticky and name change will help drastically, appreciate the notice too;)
heres a few pics guys.....enjoy
:smokebong:
Whiskeytango

mrcl0wn

02-25-2008, 04:47 PM

well, that sucks that its cheap china. they definitely all sprouted and are all growing at a faster rate than with flouros. i guess we will have to wait and see.

and no, they weren't black lights ... they were flouro UVA lights made for growing.

and sorry about posting that as a sales link, just providing more info on the lights :) will keep that in mind next time.

well, like i said i will keep you guys updated, hopefully we didn't waste our money on lights that won't work.

Opie Yutts

02-25-2008, 09:40 PM

Plants looking good SnS, as usual.

Thanks stinky, for giving people some choice and input on things that happen around here. I've never seen anyone else do that, and it is much appreciated to be treated like an actual person.

stinkyattic

02-25-2008, 09:46 PM

Hey no prob; have a look at the new sticky in the top of this section. I feel that the grow logs, more than any other section on this entire site, are a very personal place where each member DOES get to sit up at the front of the class and tell the unruly kid in the back row to shush and listen.
Your threads here are YOUR THREADS.
The only thing is that the site still has a policy that users cannot delete their own accounts or threads, but again, here it's a place where the poster IS a bit vulnerable and if security issues come up I am perfectly willing to entertain those types of requests.
So... ON WITH THE SHOW!!!
Yes! The one with the funny pink plants! :D

SnSstealth

02-25-2008, 10:37 PM

thanks for the imput clown, but we would love for you to start your own thread on your endeavors, and keep comments on this one more pertaining to our grow. this is really the only imput, advice, help myself and doughboy can get right now. there is no one else doing this for us to talk/compare to...so without people like opie, stinky, WH, MVP and the other regs, we couldnt get through alot that we have already in this grow. so we welcome whatever you have to say, about our grow. and i would be glad, as im sure others will, to visit your thread and help in any way i can.
:smokebong:

and the mylar will br gone for the next grow...good call guys. i actually think the mylar is hurting us, because were it bends, it splits the light back into red and blue beams, as opposed to a blended light.

physicsnole

02-25-2008, 10:51 PM

and the mylar will br gone for the next grow...good call guys. i actually think the mylar is hurting us, because were it bends, it splits the light back into red and blue beams, as opposed to a blended light.

Wow very interesting, it creates uneven lighting for the plants. Will remember...

SnS, plants look great. Quick question though...what temp do your procyon run? 2", 6", 12" away from the plant? Sorry if you have already posted this...Also could you measure the width of the plant? Like tip of one leave to the tip of another on the other side. Just because I plan to grow short plants also with LED's, but they look pretty wide and would like to have some data to calculate room size... Thanks!!! :pimp:

SnSstealth

02-25-2008, 10:57 PM

no prob...measurements for ya later...almost no heat from the procyons....and tehy do seem to stay short with these lights, i remember my jack herer reaching for the sky, bubbleberry was short though......
WT

Rock.Steady

02-26-2008, 05:58 AM

mymymy, stealth and his dawgs got the 'led instructional thread',,,,hmm and to think, this started as an experiment.

nice work guys!:thumbsup:

btw-agreed on flat white walls:D

SnSstealth

02-26-2008, 04:30 PM

Hey guys,

They got their first night of long sleep and been awake a couple hours, listening to music. they got their first feeding with open sesame last night so we should have some pics of pre-flower hairs today or tomorrow i'd guess. they look happy as ever, so do I by the way:D.

Db:smokin:

Iyaman

02-26-2008, 06:58 PM

im really amped on this grow. i've been searching for affrodable lighting for so long and LEDs are a great answer.
im getting a friend to put to gether a cluster of 50 odd LEDs for me and they're dirt cheap.
congrats on a successful looking grow SnSstealth, amped on flowering pics!
Irie I

physicsnole

02-26-2008, 07:29 PM

listening to music
Db:smokin:

Do you play music to your plants? I have heard this helps but never really looked into...

SnSstealth

02-26-2008, 08:03 PM

i swear by bob marley in the room...i have tried all types of music when growing...24/7 radio in the grow room...classical, rain forest sounds, but they seem to love bob marley....supposedly i have read(ill find a link) that cetain sound frequencies do cause the stomata to open wider, we know what that means....but check this shit out...an 8th grader did this... Science Projects on Music and Sound (http://plantphys.info/music.html)

so its safe to say i am a firm believer in sound aids for plants..and i kept "everythings gonna be alright" looped on a CD player in the room for my last grow...swear it worked...call me crazy

:smokebong:
whiskeytango

Opie Yutts

02-26-2008, 09:59 PM

Hogwash. You're crazy.

evlme2

02-27-2008, 12:35 AM

SnSstealth, I've been following this thread closely and i would personally like to thank you for taking the time to post and let us all follow along. I firmly believe that l.e.ds' are the wave of the futre, period. What your doing is not only cutting edge, its straight up no nonsense no excuses .
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbs up::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbs up::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbs up::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: