LED growing- An instructional grow log

[physicsnole]

This is probably because of the stimulation of the meridian system of the plant at the range it is most “vocal” in, 100 hertz, which causes the plants to increase their output at that frequency threefold

Found that here:
http://sps.nus.edu.sg/~tanshenm/2171.pdf

Also found this:
The perceived pitch of a person's voice is determined by a number of different factors, not least of which is the fundamental frequency of the sound generated by the larynx. A person's natural fundamental frequency is influenced by many factors, including the length, size, and tension of the vocal folds. In an adult male, this frequency averages about 125 Hz, adult females around 210 Hz, in children the frequency is over 300 Hz.

from: Vocal folds - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vocal_folds)

So maybe this explains why Bob Marley works well for you SnS...I find it very interesting...I may be right....but for now....:smokebong:

[veggii]

i made a new post about it, but my bad, i have a big computer screen so i didnt realize it was that big. lol. how should i close it off? cuz i dont have the money for those lights. im stickin with the fluorescents. im not using the whole closet, just that shelf.(closed it off with a blanket, but idk if that does anything) how much do the CFLs cost? and what wattage should i get?

Hi I would goto to your local lowe's.homedepot and grab a 4foot (cheapo shoplight 10$) (bulbs come in 2pack at lowes GE daylight!!) 6500k bulbs7$ ) i have 4 of these in my 2foot by 4ft closet at 17$ea you can't beat it! they also have the 2pack of the kitchen&bath 3000k!! for 7$ those will do much better for dollar than the cfl's peace now back to LED GROW pic's up yet stealth?

[veggii]

Yeah i know, but with the LEDs I wasnt sure how good the reflection would be. they are not a bright white light reflecting off a white wall. still just guessing here. I even toyed with the idea of louminous magenta paints. Just as light is broken up into red, green, and blue, the base pigments for paint are magenta yellow and green. magenta paint is that color because it absorbs green light and reflects red and blue. hmmm...

any chance youve seen this: liquidreflector (http://www.liquidreflector.com/) its the stuff they use to make lines on the road (or the same theory at least). I may try combining the magenta paint w/ the glass beads...lol.

Db:smokin:

P.S. sorry WH got going and it became techie;):D


I have been working on a light fixture and driving down the road yesterday i asked my buddy were i can get some of the reflective white paint on the road!! and BAM! you got the link sweet! ty:thumbsup:

[SnSstealth]

.....pics up tomorrow!!! got six confirmed girls so far:weedpoke: and NO males...im sure thats because the hermie jack herer pollinated the bubbleberry, so they should almost be all feminized seeds...pretty much, yeah? hopefully when i get off work and post pics tomorrow, i got some more ladies wanting to show off their hoo-hoos for us.....bong

:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

first 2 pics are the test plant as usual...14' tall, 17' wide...mmm and its not even one of the bushy ones;) middle pic is the whorly...pretty girl...:hippy: gonna do some light tests to get you guys some better close ups...supposedly an HD camera...but i cant,...whatever...enjoy
oh, last 2 pics are more ooooh aaahs.
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

off the LEDs for a sec, wanted to show you guys the 2 main phenotypes i got with my cross. for the noobs, its jack herer x bubbleberry.... first pic, we'll call her mary of course (look at lil sis growing next to her...suprise seed that didnt germ with the rest), is the more sativa ish plant...thinner leaves, stretchier. the second is the one that has 6 tops...we'll call her titties...my shoice, dont ask. much bushier, wider, and darker leaves....then the last 2 are of the mystery seeds...either its one of the parents, ima stoner, lost the packet it was in, labeled...or bagseed from some WW or skywalker....well know more as we see more titties;)
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[denial102]

I am still following your log Stealth! Keep up the good work! :D

How long away from floweing now, few weeks?


Peace,
Denial

[d4twamp]

hey stealth crew the ladies are lookin healthy...if you do get access to the hd camera you'd be able to get some good closes up of the flowers... keep up the good work .. i can't wait myself to expiriment with leds ... just trying to figure out which way to go ,or should i say GROW well thanks for helping us noobs learn a few tricks

later D :greenthumb:

[dgsgandalf]

I'm pretty "medicated" right now and don't feel like reading 20 pages...

Are you foliar feeding? How often? Would it be worth it to foliar feed once a week?

Also, can you take some close up pics of the nodes with the preflowers? That stuff is always cool to me. :)

Peace!

[Opie Yutts]

they also have the 2pack of the kitchen&bath 3000k!! for 7$ those will do much better for dollar than the cfl's

That would be true, except for the part where it's not. If you can get them in 2700, or better yet 2450K, then what you're saying could be true. It takes twice as many lumens to induce the same chlorophyll activity at 3000, than it does at 2700. It takes about 4 times as many lumens at 3000 than it does at 2450. So I really don't see how the bulbs you speak of will do much better for the dollar. That's why T-5 sucks for flowering. Nothing below 3000K.

Oh crap, sorry SnS. I thought I was in the other thread. Can't delete.

[phatsesh101]

how long ago did you plant them? how long did it take to hit 1 foot
?
:smokin:

[SnSstealth]

the post is here to READ, i am stoned too, and dont feel like repeating...but..3 weeks foot tall...yes we foliar feed, frequently...flowering for 2 days now....
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whiskeytango

[Opie Yutts]

Don't you love it, repeating the same shit over and over? I think it's going to happen in our longer threads no matter what. There are going to be people just tuning in instead of following from the beginning, and they are not going to want to read all 20 pages or whatever to find out how tall the plants are.

PS. Even some of us stoners that have been following from the beginning need some refresher courses from time to time.

[bonzo00420]

Fantastic thread-- i cant wait for the end results!! what week are you on at this point i know we a few days into flower-- but how long did it take to get here i lost track myself... and what do you guys think and addition of these light incorporated into a hps grow? you think they would get all wacky or thrive more... and for the love of god please finish the post-- every other post on led's have vanished right around now - so may the force be with you and keep up the great info!

~420~:rastasmoke:

[SnSstealth]

:lol5: Isnt it ironic? dont ya think? lol

Thanks opie I think sometime tonight or tomorrow morning ill put together a data post w/ as much pertinent info as i can, that way it can be referred back to by page & #. no problem:thumbsup: yeah we all need refreshers now & then.

Yeah they can be combined but we wont be doing that.and the post will be finished , and based on the few led grows w/ inferior equipment and the yields theyre starting to obtain, that it will be a very happy day once it arrives:greenthumb:

:vader1: the force is strong in this one...lol (i must be blitzed)

Db:smokin:

[Shovelhandle]

PS. Even some of us stoners that have been following from the beginning need some refresher courses from time to time.

a daily refresher would be nice. <G>

: ]

Seriously though, the thread is going great so far. A lot of discussion on lighting power efficiency.

Sho

[Weedhound]

Plants look great and healthy is all I can say.

[SnSstealth]

WHEW!!!

Just finished gathering info for a veg/answer post. I will try to put it together into something coherent tomorrow morn. wow this thread is long...lol

Db:smokin:

[maximusprime]

I'm a newb here but have been following the procyon grow closely with anticipation.

I wanted to know if anybody has a chart of cannabis absorption spectrum? I have a general chart of absorption spectrum for plants but want to see a specific one for cannabis. I have searched for the last 6 hours and can't find one.

I have some engineering experience and from what i can see pretty much all the led grow lights currently for sale totally miss the necessary wavelengths necessary for optimal growth. Its really not that difficult to hit most of them except maybe the 660 which does not have a lot of good choices in the high lumen/watt range but there are plenty of blues to hit the target easily dead on.

If somebody can get me a chart of the cannabis absorption spectrum i would really appreciate it.

[bonzo00420]

check this months high times for the absorption spectrum, right there on(pg.50)-- its in there with a article on the U.F.O.

:rastasmoke:

[SnSstealth]

me laptop made poopies....so i will be on here less, doughboy will be on still...but i wont till i get it fixed, or borrow doughboys....lol
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whiskeytango

had to cut out a male today:(...good thing it was in a doubled up pot...still got a girl in the pot...have about 8-9 already showing their pistils...rest not showing yet...ill take some pics tomorrow, and post em.....

[maximusprime]

check this months high times for the absorption spectrum, right there on(pg.50)-- its in there with a article on the U.F.O.

:rastasmoke:
Hey bonzo I just went to the bookstore to buy the high times issue as you suggested but i looked through the entire issue and found no cannabis absorption spectrum. I did see the advertisement for the ufo led light but page 50 nor any other page had the spectrum. Maybe it was last months issue. Bummer, i really need that chart in order to design a proper led system for vegetation:(

[Opie Yutts]

check this months high times for the absorption spectrum, right there on(pg.50)-- its in there with a article on the U.F.O.

:rastasmoke:

Sigh, I guess I should just subscribe, but if my mail carrier knows, my parents will know, and then my entire extended family.

Could someone please scan that chart and post it here or in the other LED thread?

[bonzo00420]

Hey bonzo I just went to the bookstore to buy the high times issue as you suggested but i looked through the entire issue and found no cannabis absorption spectrum. I did see the advertisement for the ufo led light but page 50 nor any other page had the spectrum. Maybe it was last months issue. Bummer, i really need that chart in order to design a proper led system for vegetation:(

well its there in the march issue-Glass of 2008 and say's "led revolution" at the top as well... go to borders and buy one- looking right at it now-- full color too...lols- id scan it if i could opie-- sorry bro--

but more importantly - stealth -- i thought the force was strong in this one-remember..:vader1:- dont you go and disappear!! same time as all the rest too-- lols-- figures.. fix that shit!! :beatdeadhorse::toilet_claw::rastasmoke:
dont stop this post whatev you do!
:apachecopter:

good luck -- but still looking for those details...

~420~

[SnSstealth]

dont worry bonzo, been working alot and that post will take alot to do. Im off tommorrow morn so ill try to get it done then.

Db:smokin:

[maximusprime]

well its there in the march issue-Glass of 2008 and say's "led revolution" at the top as well... go to borders and buy one- looking right at it now-- full color too...lols- id scan it if i could opie-- sorry bro--

but more importantly - stealth -- i thought the force was strong in this one-remember..:vader1:- dont you go and disappear!! same time as all the rest too-- lols-- figures.. fix that shit!! :beatdeadhorse::toilet_claw::rastasmoke:
dont stop this post whatev you do!
:apachecopter:

good luck -- but still looking for those details...

~420~
I must be in the bizaro universe then because i looked through it 3 times and its definitely not in the high times i saw, lol. My guess is that the newsstand issue at barnes & nobles is the april issue since the march issues of magazines usually come out a month earlier then the cover date. Shame i didn't notice the month.

[SnSstealth]

okie...here are some pics...first 2 are one phenotype of the strain going TALL and the first pic i tried to get the first pistils in the pic...3rd pic is some mutant that has dinner plate leaves....then some oooh aaaahs.....
2nd...the high times bonzo is talking about is 3 months old...its the one i was talking to you and quoting a few weeks back opie...the LED test was supposed to be 3 issues, but i got the new one, and no LED shit in it...i must've missed a month, cause this months high times, is about the 20th cannabis cup....me and doughboy are workin on getting all that info together...opie....will scan soon if i can get my laptop working again...or maybe bring my scanner to doughboys house....tues will be a week flowering....yay
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

had to cut out the test plant...:(...she was a he........think the whorled 3 leaf is too....sucks, may use the 3 leaf for the F2...ideas?
WT

[SnSstealth]

Thank you for viewing our thread. Just wanted to make an easy reference point for us all as the post continues to grow. If you have any questions after reading please post it and we will try to answer.

DB & WT
SnSstealth
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SETUP

2'x8'x8' closet wrapped top to bottom in mylar
sealed less 3"x20" vent @ floor level
Oceanforest soil
foxfarm nutes:
Grow Big
Tiger Bloom
Big Bloom
Open Sesame
Beastie Blooms
Cha Ching
Co2 Boost
foliar feed with grow big solution almost daily w/ no burn
will use succanant in flower(its a sugar used to increase bud weight)

and...

3 Procyon 100's spaced so the arrays divide the room evenly

temperature readings from the lights are as follows:
placement | temp relative to ambient
18" down | 0°
6" down | 2-3° above
2" down | 5° above(in the middle of array) 84° level

10" up | 8° above
24" up | 3° above
36" above | 1° above (near exhaust)

Each Procyon has 56 CREE X_Lamps
40 red 635nm bulbs and 16 blue 470nm bulbs. a 71%/29% ratio

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PIC POST #

#34
#50 1-28
#74 1-31
#130 2-3
#191 2-7
#193 2-7 (3leaf)
#232 2-9
#282 2-12
#312 2-15
#344 2-18
#346 2-18
#380 2-19
#453 2-22
#489 2-25

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GROW LOG

18-6 light schedule

Seeds went into rapid rooter on 1-16-08. transfered to pots early as rooter was over watered and they had to get them out of it.

1-22 15 plants in pots, 1-25 6 more added

1-28 first set of 5leaves showing. moved lights from 20" to 145" to slow perceived stretching.

2-3 noticed whorled phyllotaxy on one of the plants. creates three leaves at each node.

2-9 7th node on 15 plants, 6-7" tall

2-12 "test" plant 9" tall, raised light 6"

2-13 three plants deemed unhealthy were removed...down to 20

2-15 add Co2 boost, in two days we get 2-3" of height and mass side growth, most are now 10" tall or better

2-21 removed some underbrush

2-24 faint preflower signs on 4-5

2-26 light change..... on to FLOWER:thumbsup:

avg height 13" and width of 17"

[cture]

e WW or skywalker....well know more as we see more titties;)
:smokebong:
whiskeytango Nice grow Sn Stealth. Loking forward for yield

[luissotelo]

THANKS DUDE YOUR REAL TO THE CORE!! I APPRECITE YOU DONT GET YOUR FEELINGS HURT LIKE SOME OF THIS OTHER GUYS! AROUND HERE!

[Mantis]

Hey bud, I just started using LED's and I've been doing a lot of research on them.. I can tell you for sure you need more blue spectrum in the initial life of the plants.. I have been trying to figure out the exact ratio of blue/red for veg and flowering clycles.. I want to know how much red is actually needed for vegging and how much blue is actually needed for flowering.. I know obviously you want a bigger blue spectrum during vegetative growth, and a higher red spectrum when flowering.. so I want to figure out what minimum of each you need for each cycle..

well I think you definitely need more blue for veg, but I havent even read the whole thread yet.. hopefully we can chat..

take care good times with ur growing !!

[SnSstealth]

[quote]Mantis Hey bud, I just started using LED's and I've been doing a lot of research on them.. I can tell you for sure you need more blue spectrum in the initial life of the plants.. I have been trying to figure out the exact ratio of blue/red for veg and flowering clycles.. I want to know how much red is actually needed for vegging and how much blue is actually needed for flowering.. I know obviously you want a bigger blue spectrum during vegetative growth, and a higher red spectrum when flowering.. so I want to figure out what minimum of each you need for each cycle..

well I think you definitely need more blue for veg, but I havent even read the whole thread yet.. hopefully we can chat..

take care good times with ur growing !![quote]

:weedpoke:

not enough blue for veg?...you see the pics?...they are bushier than any time i have done HID for sure...thanks for your opinion though;)
took 2 more males out today....ick...one is probably going to my house for a few days before i throw it out so i can get the pollen...that would be the test plant for those of you who have been here...thanks guys
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[enquadrider16]

Hey bud, I just started using LED's and I've been doing a lot of research on them.. I can tell you for sure you need more blue spectrum in the initial life of the plants.. I have been trying to figure out the exact ratio of blue/red for veg and flowering clycles.. I want to know how much red is actually needed for vegging and how much blue is actually needed for flowering.. I know obviously you want a bigger blue spectrum during vegetative growth, and a higher red spectrum when flowering.. so I want to figure out what minimum of each you need for each cycle..

well I think you definitely need more blue for veg, but I havent even read the whole thread yet.. hopefully we can chat..

take care good times with ur growing !!

if you've checked out the prycon website you'll find out that the led lights put out a perfect spectrum for plants for the whole way through its life cycle. check it out.

[Gilfaethwy]

SnSstealth,

I'm yet another of the newbie lurkers who joined to watch your thread :D

Sir, I must say, you are a Visionary, a Pioneer, a Scientist, and from reading your posts on the forum I believe a Gentleman as well.

This is absolutely astounding and revolutionary work you are doing, and I applaud you both for taking the plunge on this experiment, and for sharing the data on your results as well. I hope you continue and share data about your final yield.

Of course I didn't pipe in to merely to shower you with gratitude and accolades, I do have some thoughts to contribute to the discussion on LED grow theory.

One of the earlier posters in the thread said something about how you are the first to do an LED grow with "close to half enough lumens" or something like that, in a tongue in cheek sort of way, but I think he was on to something.

There's a lot of stuff out there now being sold as "LED grow lights" that is really just snake oil. Most of the products just don't put out near enough lumens. My rough calculations about the Procyon 100's indicate they should be putting out somewhere between 8,000-15,000 lumens each. Your measurement of light intensity of 4,000-5,000 lumens meshes well that estimate.

At the same time, the results you are getting with a light intensity as low as 5000 lumens is absolutely astonishing. It's comparable to 50,000-100,000+ lumen Metal Halide and Sodium lamps. It's a remarkable vindication of the theory behind LED grow lighting. By which I mean the theory that by using LED's spectral selectivity and using only those frequencies of light beneficial to plant growth, remarkable power and light efficiencies should be possible.

And you've done it. Cannabis is not a low light crop by any means, and your data is incredibly encouraging. Once you reach harvest and have yield numbers that can be compared to HPS and MH lighting, you'll show the nay-sayers about this tech. You are demonstrating that LED's time has come.

[Opie Yutts]

SnS will have "done it" when the harvest is weighed, and it comes somewhere close to what HID could do.

[veggii]

hey hey hey, stealth their looking awesome!!
quick question about the lights my friend showed me these today:
shenzhen sheng nan electronics co.,ltd (http://www.sn-led.com/b2b_cplist.asp?catid=491)
the 3 watt ones would they be better than the cree X-lamps??
peace luv smokeon!:rastasmoke:

[SnSstealth]

hey hey hey, stealth their looking awesome!!
quick question about the lights my friend showed me these today:
shenzhen sheng nan electronics co.,ltd (http://www.sn-led.com/b2b_cplist.asp?catid=491)
the 3 watt ones would they be better than the cree X-lamps??
peace luv smokeon!:rastasmoke:

thanks for checkin in on the thread. they look great to me too:thumbsup:

dont much about individual LEDs or power supplies and such. they have more power(near two watts vs. most likely near three) though, so its possible. also factor in the lens cost and assembly.


SnS will have "done it" when the harvest is weighed, and it comes somewhere close to what HID could do.

so so true...

thanks again Gilfaethwy (reply in other thread)

Db:smokin:

[veggii]

dont much about individual LEDs or power supplies and such. they have more power(near two watts vs. most likely near three) though, so its possible. also factor in the lens cost and assembly.

ty stealth i don't either maybe someone who does will help out
they look pretty close to same thing to me except cree is like 2 watt and prolight is like 3 watt

:D:Dlooking good nice ladies ya got tasty!!:D:D

[Melskid]

SnS, Looking good my light is supposed to be shipped here in the beginning of March. After seeing your growth I'm thinking I lucked out seeing the Procyon and checking into your grow experiment on this site. Thanks for the info as well on what you are using to grow anything learned in here by me will be used to help my own growing.

[Opie Yutts]

SnS, keep fighting the good fight. I'm pulling for you.

[Gilfaethwy]

Opie, Your cautious, skeptical optimism is definitely the right attitude. It's just easy to get caught up in the enthusiasm of how well it seems to be going:D

That's a result of just how much success here would mean for stealth grow ops (And many other things as well, like long distance space travel). For all the reasons (Reduced electricity consumption by an order of magnitude, reduced heat output by the same, and all the benefits leading to size reduction those imply), obvious to people who have researched it.

Sorry, I'm a Sci-Fi nerd :o

SnSstealth could I ask for clarification on something you posted a long time ago? You said you were "getting 5000 lumen across the room at the top of the pots" in a post Feb. 2. How did you measure this? Could you tell me what meter you used?

Most meters I've seen measure in Lux or foot-candles. It matters because of calculations I'm making, correcting and revising.

Experiments with Hydroponics, Aeroponics, and LED Grow Lighting (http://www.greenpinelane.com/)

Has grow tests with a number of LED light products.

They've tested with a single Procyon 100, and I've used their numbers to calculate the average intensity of Procyon 100 at 1 meter, and I get 2073 lumens. 1 meter is about 38 inches, of course, if the distance is closer it will be proportionally brighter.

Thanks again!

[indoorgirl]

Hey guys,
I've been enjoying this thread for quite a while. I don't remember seeing this posted before and I thought it might interest you.

Untitled Page (http://www.greenpinelane.com/HGL_PROCYON_TEST.aspx)

Can't wait to see the end product.

IndoorGirl:hippy:

[SnSstealth]

stealth growing.....heh.stealth....anyways
thanks for the interest you guys, and the good words opie;). i finally got my laptop fixed, so the updates will be more often now...we are a week into flowering today. i will have some pics up later this afternoon...got 2 MORE males i think we gotta get out of there...need some opinions on picking the father, i am trying to stabilize this cross. more on that later...im really glad you guys are all looking into the procyon. looking forward to having more people using them, so we can compare n shit.
more info on which meter i have when i get to the room..;)
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

7 females, and 4 left to show me....:wtf: outta 23...ho hum....lol, oh well, time to get bushy;)
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[New2Dro]

Hmm...

7 femme's out of 23 (4 yet to show)

I'm a newb so this may be a dumb hypothesis, but could this be due to the lights?

Anywho, I'm still here prayin' to the gunja gods that all turn out well for you!!! You could be leading a revolution!!!!

Keep up the GOOD work!

[SnSstealth]

if its anything other than bad luck, than it might be the weird temp. changes we've had here. trying to get a in room a/c, but theyre expensive.

:cursing:damn males

Db:smokin:

[SnSstealth]

7 outta 23...4 to show still......that doesnt mean that 16 were male. only pulled like 5 males, had a few sick plants too.....i dont think the light had to much at all to do with the sex of the plants......

[zirux7k]

:) it shouldn't be a problem of light... just that males get a faster growth as usual so u see them first.... and also there're sometimes easier to reconize .

A question thought, why would you clone instead when doing such a yield ? It'll look more efficient to me...

Looking forward to see some more pictures ! :)

Really looking at your work to figure if I should get one of those...:thumbsup:
Seems to me much better than UFOs and obviously the other models out there...

[SnSstealth]

as far as pre made LED grow lights go, right now the procyon is the shit...IMHO, and the reason there is no cloning going on, (yet) is because i am making a strain.i have crossed jack herer x bubbleberry, so cloning wont help me get myF3, F4 and so on....cant clone and make a strain;)
WT

[Opie Yutts]

Wow, that sounds like a wonderful strain. Tradesies? I'd love to have a clone of that. Got a name picked yet? How about Jack Frostie, Jack Shit, Jack-in-the-bong? When can I come over to check out the grow in person? Sorry about the male ratio, that's kinda sucky but it happens. I've always got about 70% female for some reason, except my last seed batch which was 3 female out of 7. Go figure. Odds. Then I killed 2 of the 3 by not looking in on them for a week. Died of thirst. Rambling, sorry, pain meds open me up and make me chatty.

[SnSstealth]

update....9 ladies!!!yes, 2 more to show.....so it will be exactly 50% i guess since 3 were pulled being sickly....i got one plant going BANANAS...not sure what to do, i know, i should wait and ask till i get the pics up, ill reiterate later. its got more flowers than any of the others, but its almost 9 in taller than the rest too....very stretchy...F1 vigor?...cant be lighting, its the only one reacting this way....better idea with pics...my bad, i as well am feeling the percocets opie;)
WH you are a genius girl!!!! heh

:smokebong:
whiskeytango

opie i am always about trading...lol..thats how strains get tweaked better IMO

[SnSstealth]

LOL.....jack shit sounds fun.....still tryin to figure out a name...ill wait till i smoke her and see what she looks like completed..;)
WT

[Weedhound]

Man I must be stoned myself......what's your male/female ratio?

[SnSstealth]

55/45 WH?...the 23 were counting a few sick ones, or ones i didnt deem "worthy" have 10 ladies, 2 left to show

heres a few pics of my WTF plant...remember, i had 3 seeds that were not the cross, old parent seeds, so maybe this is just jack herer, not the cross....any opinions? Its flowering very well, even the lower tops....the last pic is in the room, so you can see its almost double in height...way spaced, i would say stretching, but none of the otheres are doing this, and it has been going for 2 weeks, tried moving light, putting it in the outside part of the light, right under the light...gave just water one feeding...lost on ideas...or maybe its just a tall girl?

:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

Oh well that's about bang-on then (as Flameon would say). Good to hear. :thumbsup:

[SnSstealth]

but what about my plant WH?...lol, thanks for the good word on the ladies, but should i worry about this plant?...os is she just a super girl?
whiskeytango


edit: just found some picks of my original jack herer crops...i think (and am excited as FUCK!) that this is one of the few parent seeds i had left. keep in mind folks these are REAL jack herer, bought the pack at sensi seeds, in amsterdam, so no questioning athenticity...I am so psyched if this is the case, i will know in about 2 weeks, as i am very familiar with the strain

[Weedhound]

Does the JH tend to grow out taller? I'd let her do what she wants.....lst her if you have to keep her low. She's looks pretty damn happy to me. ;)

[Ziggy Stardust]

if its cool id like to ask in what month you ordered your lights and how long did it take the dist/manuf(?) to get them to you. was there any $ break for ordering more than one? thanks! i googled procyon and it came back w very few results are there many retailers selling them???

one last thing in what HT mag were the reviews for both the procyon and ufo? and other than greenpinelane.com and HT who else has reviewed these new products?? tks

[phatsesh101]

massive growth is usually good have re-arainged your plants for lighting differences more blue in one area maybe if not save those genetics she might be a good breeder
btw i found an inexpesive way to make bubble hash does any one want to know and where should i post

[SnSstealth]

thanks phat, i am saving the genetics...lol, the rest of the room is a cross of it....and yeah, JH does get tall and open....
ziggy, we had them pre ordered, not sure what the date was, check my signiture for stats...they were very good about getting the lights here quick, no price break though,, and no one other than us and greenpinelane have tested this light as far as i know....high times did the UFO in march issue i believe, they loved it...and the procyon blows the UFo away, so im optamistic.....
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whiskeytango

[bramfield]

great topic, you must be the first testing these lights.
They are indeed the best on the market today.
I'd love to see that they equal 400W hps
If they do the trick, I'll buy 2 of them to replace my 600W hehe

Have fun ! I'll be looking over your shoulder:)

Greets bramfield

[PopsSoCal]

:) I was wondering if that light would work in a closet to grow with only one light will this work or do I need more than one?:stoned:

[SnSstealth]

:) I was wondering if that light would work in a closet to grow with only one light will this work or do I need more than one?:stoned:

All three lights are the same so, yes you should be able to use one at a time. if your doing more than four plants, I'd suggest using a larger tub as to center them more toward the array.

Thanks for joining in:thumbsup:

Db:smokin:

[d4twamp]

55/45 WH?...the 23 were counting a few sick ones, or ones i didnt deem "worthy" have 10 ladies, 2 left to show

heres a few pics of my WTF plant...remember, i had 3 seeds that were not the cross, old parent seeds, so maybe this is just jack herer, not the cross....any opinions? Its flowering very well, even the lower tops....the last pic is in the room, so you can see its almost double in height...way spaced, i would say stretching, but none of the otheres are doing this, and it has been going for 2 weeks, tried moving light, putting it in the outside part of the light, right under the light...gave just water one feeding...lost on ideas...or maybe its just a tall girl?

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whiskeytango

hey snsstealth crew if i remember correctly isn't jack herer sativa dominant, could be a jack h or the jh x bb cross just showing more of the sativa phenotypes in that specific seed. either way they're lookin grrrrrrrreat. can't wait myself to expiriment with leds in my grow room. what do you think about a 4x4 ebb n flow scrog w/ leds :D well thank you two for keepin up with it alot of the grows don't get finished. i'll keep waitng and watching for the finale keep up the good work. it's a job isn't it.

later, D :420thought:

ps. are you guyz breeding for beans... how many generations you gonna go... would love some clones or beans of that cross:thumbsup:

[SnSstealth]

definitely going for beans....pulled the daddy out, cause we only have one room....and someone (no names DOUGHBOY) snapped the pappa in 3 places..haha had to bust you out man...just hope the balls were done enough to have me some pollen..otherwise, the jack was a hermie that pollinated the BB, so hopefully i get a hermie to backcross again, and i will have feminized seeds, on TOP of being a dank ass cross;)
id love to share the strain though, what true old school grower could horde a strain...bad stoner juju in my opinion...unfortunately, we only got one other grower we can trade with, id love to see other people tweak this cross, add to it....i want a strain in the cannabible....and 1 million...non sequintial...small bills........
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whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

need the pros here....are we being paranoid?...just old leaves dying? or do we got something wrong with this girl....i cut back her fan leaves, the spots only seemed to be on those...any ideas? plants seems healthy otherwise, no other plants have it either...so i flushed it and snapped pics....help

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whiskeytango

[Opie Yutts]

I'm guessing magnesium deficiency or PH fluctuations, but probably the first since it's only on the lower leaves. It doesn't look real bad, but it could get worse. If only a few of the lower leaves get brown it's no big deal. I'm not highly skilled at problem diagnosis. I would post it in the problem section, and search "problem chart" in this forum. There are at least 5.

[SnSstealth]

thanks opie...ill look into it......
WT

[SnSstealth]

UPDATE!!!! got 2 plants flowering STRONG...some still just starting to show....2 weeks since onset as of tomorrow...super-cropped and trimmed at beginning of onset, slowed them down for a few days...except for the 2 plants in the pics...look at them go!!!!heh...4th pic is my WH inspired plant...lol, thanks weedhound, saw your church, had to try shaping it that way;). last pic is oooh-aaah...
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whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

think those first 3 pics are parents...i had a few sensiseed jack herers left, think the first 2 pics are said yummy;) pretty sure the 3rd pic in last thread is a bubbleberry...here are a few more of her...
WT

[Opie Yutts]

Why are you growing poinsettas?

Looks good so far, are those green spots in the purple photo areas that don't get light?

[savannahsavannah]

the photos are looking amazing.. i have been a silent follower of your grow for a while now..
i want to do a super simple 3 small plant in a cupboard and have been thinking led the whole way... nothing professional and serious.. just a few fun plants at home.. i was thinking about the ebay special (http://cgi.ebay.com/225-LED-Grow-Light-Panel-Hydroponic-Lamp-Red-Blue-110-V_W0QQitemZ380005300952QQihZ025QQcategoryZ42225QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) and had wondered if anyone had tried this yet... 225led's .. 12in by 12in panel.. 110V and a mix of red and blue... i know it is nothing fancy but do you think it would do the trick? also.. if there is somewhere on here (SO MUCH) that has these answers.. please kick me in that direction
thanks everyone!!!!!
ps- i have not blazed in over 4 weeks now for a upcoming drug test so this is all real painful for me to think about.. haha

[SnSstealth]

no opie...green spots in the grow room, are from my flash...kinda cool effect....savannah....ty;) and DO NOT go for the ebay special...we tried those, plants fail bad...maspino had a thread using them too.....you get what you pay for with LEDs. either get the procyon, (i know, expensive), or talk to physicsnole and opie yutts, they can help you in building a set up of quality LEDs.

thankas for the interest everyone
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whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

I'd tend to agree with Opie about ph fluctuations and/or fert build up in your soil. I'd check the soil ph if I were you.....are you checking the ph of your water?

Like Opie says....it seems quite minor....but those things sure can spread in a hurry so watch it very carefully. Those plants REALLY looking stunning......and naturally you want to keep them that way.

[lunarose]

Hi,

I have watching this thread too and am excited by the great results! I was experimenting with Swiss Miss in a greenhouse trying for a winter crop. I started about the same time you did we were having about 10 hours of sunlight temps were on the cold side but no frost using foxfarm. Your plants are easily twice the size of mine.

Sharon

[TheFanLeft]

Hey stealthy crew...just wondering if you'd figured out your electric billz for these bad boys. I'm guessing somewhere around 15-20 bucks per month for the three lights?

Still looking amazing...email me a bowl when they're done please.:smokebong:

[SnSstealth]

thanks for the kind words all.......WH thanks for the advice, testing the Ph later today...got one of those stick reading analog meters that do moisture, lumens, Ph...blah blah....found out the Ph test isnt simply stick n read...lol, gettin to it today, deciphering the directions...hope thats it....hasnt gotten any worse since i trimmed fan leaves and flushed...testing Ph anyway....harvest should be around beginning of may...dunno with the cross...maybe late apr or mid may....ill let the girls tell e when they are ready;)
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whiskeytango

[stinkyattic]

Not Mg def... we should all be able to recognize that by now: Mg def presents as REGULAR STRIPES between veins.

That's K def, textbook. You have it as a lockout coming from soggy, acidic soil conditions.

You are using pots with built-in drip trays I'll bet, and as a result, both drainage and the ability of oxygen to get at teh root zone are greatly impacted, resulting in soggy soil and reducing/anaerobic conditions. Ph is probably dropped out of range too by the looks of things.

Rip off the drip trays, drill additional holes in the sides of the pot, flush with pH'd water, water with a grow fert at 1/4 strength plus some Serenade if you have it (those conditions are perfect for fungus).

[SnSstealth]

sweet....thanks stinky;)
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whiskeytango

[d4twamp]

=SnSstealth;1825056]thanks for the kind words all.......WH thanks for the advice, testing the Ph later today...
got one of those stick reading analog meters that do moisture, lumens, Ph...blah blah....found out the Ph test isnt simply stick n read...lol, gettin to it today, deciphering the directions...hope thats it....hasnt gotten any worse since i trimmed fan leaves and flushed...testing Ph anyway....harvest should be around beginning of may...dunno with the cross...maybe late apr or mid may....ill let the girls tell e when they are ready;)
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whiskeytango[/QUOTE]


i tried one of those too. they don't work all that great you'd get more accurate readings just testing ph of the runoff from each pot. looking hgood though:twocents:

D :bigsmoke:

[SnSstealth]

woohoo i got five bucks:D... they had the trays on them, but as WT told me at the start that they would not work for MJ, we pulled them off prior to planting. we did however cover 4 of the 8 holes on bottom and set them on the clear plastic trays. put an inch to an inch and a half of rock then soil. we watered, settled and planted.

Really hope its not PH as it could show up in all of them if thats the case. we'll work on her today, though she seems to be doing better after the flush and attention shes gotten. thanks again:thumbsup:

thanks D, Can I get a liquid PH meter at the DEPOT or do i need to find a garden shop?


Hey stealthy crew...just wondering if you'd figured out your electric billz for these bad boys. I'm guessing somewhere around 15-20 bucks per month for the three lights?

thats about right, no higher. I want to wait for summer to do an accurate test. On and off cold fronts make it hard to judge against last year.

savannah check out this http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/149145-led-grow-1st-grow-56w-max-northern-lights.html

thanks all,
Db:smokin:

[stinkyattic]

you can find liquid pH test kits at aquarium supply shops or in the fish tank section of a decent department store.

Uncover those holes!!! More drainage=happier plants. Think how much more comfy Birkenstocks are than muck boots...

[Opie Yutts]

i tried one of those too. they don't work all that great you'd get more accurate readings just testing ph of the runoff from each pot.

Everyone says those don't work, but I bought one a few days ago when I was planting my blueberries (real ones). Did you know that they prefer soil PHd to 4.5? And you thought MJ liked acid. Anyway, that soil PH tester seems to work just fine for me. You just have to make sure you follow the directions. Like SnS said, you can't just stick it in and read it.

Then my damn dog pulled out half the friggen blueberry bushes. Anyone want an expensive Chesapeake Bay Retriever?

[d4twamp]

woohoo i got five bucks:D... they had the trays on them, but as WT told me at the start that they would not work for MJ, we pulled them off prior to planting. we did however cover 4 of the 8 holes on bottom and set them on the clear plastic trays. put an inch to an inch and a half of rock then soil. we watered, settled and planted.

Really hope its not PH as it could show up in all of them if thats the case. we'll work on her today, though she seems to be doing better after the flush and attention shes gotten. thanks again:thumbsup:


thanks D, Can I get a liquid PH meter at the DEPOT or do i need to find a garden shop?



thats about right, no higher. I want to wait for summer to do an accurate test. On and off cold fronts make it hard to judge against last year.

savannah check out this http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/149145-led-grow-1st-grow-56w-max-northern-lights.html

thanks all,
Db:smokin:

hey sns crew, I got mine at the hydro shop for 16 bones.....it came with the test indicator, ph up & down, a droper and a test tube...tried the stick meter according to the instructions but i didn't fell the cheap thing was as accurate as testing the runoff

D :bigsmoke:

[d4twamp]

Opie Yutts;1825298]Everyone says those don't work, but I bought one a few days ago when I was planting my blueberries (real ones). Did you know that they prefer soil PHd to 4.5? And you thought MJ liked acid. Anyway, that soil PH tester seems to work just fine for me.
You just have to make sure you follow the directions. Like SnS said, you can't just stick it in and read it.

Then my damn dog pulled out half the friggen blueberry bushes. Anyone want an expensive Chesapeake Bay Retriever?

hey opie I do know how to read directions, put the probe down to root level, & waited . I just think the runoff would be more accurate.. to each his own...

later D :S5:

[Iyaman]

I been following this thread quietly but I'm realy amped. Hope it turns out well for you. Maybe it will spark the LED revolution in growing and the proffesional grow lights will become a bit cheaper. LED clusters are cheap to put together oneself but theres the problem of getting the right light wavelengths. On that note has anyone been able to get that graph showing the correct wavelengths for cannabis from the High Times mag?
It sucks being in South Africa because it's realy difficult to get hold of any copies

[turmoil]

Just dropping by to say thanks for doing this grow, and props on getting your letter into High Times May 2008 issue.:thumbsup:

[Opie Yutts]

hey opie I do know how to read directions, put the probe down to root level, & waited.

Not that it means much, but there is more to it on my directions.

[Opie Yutts]

has anyone been able to get that graph showing the correct wavelengths for cannabis from the High Times mag?

Ditto. I'm tired of begging. Nobody who has the chart has a digital camera or scanner?

[SnSstealth]

Just dropping by to say thanks for doing this grow, and props on getting your letter into High Times May 2008 issue.:thumbsup:

huh? you got the may issue in march...cool. didnt know if they would print it. have to go pick that up :thumbsup:

[bvrian]

How many led's does one plant require?

[Opie Yutts]

How many led's does one plant require?

six.

[SnSstealth]

this ones for opie....;) hope it does it for you man, still cant get my scanner connected to the comp, so i took 2 pics of the graph for "OPTIMUM SPECTRUM FOR CANNABIS" for ya.
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whiskeytango

flash and no flash.....no flash looks better

[SnSstealth]

now for the updates...havent gotten a regular bulb in the grow room yet...and its getting harder to pick the ladies up and take them in another room for pics...lol. so we tried sepia and black and white pics....tell us what you think.....you already know they are green..lol, but tell us if you would rather the pics be in "real" color. 15 days into onset...they seem to be moving quite fast IMO...lights maybe good for flowering too?...according to the charts below, we are dead on for blue, and there is a spike at 630, which is where we are in red, but almost 100% is at 660ish...so we may supplement some 660s for the next grow.

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whiskeytango

first 2 pics are comparison pics

[Opie Yutts]

Thanks soooo much for that chart. I and several others owe you one, or two. I think I want to play with it in photoshop to find the exact numbers of the peaks like I did with the other charts I posted. If I do, I'll post it in the other thread (physicsnole's).

I think I like the sepia better than B&W, but I don't know if I like it better than actual color. I think I'm leaning toward color. I think the best would be if you could wait until just after the lights go out, or just before they come on to take the pictures. It will not affect the plants, if you are worried about that. The plants aren't going to know if they got 12 hr. of light or 12 hr. and 2 seconds.

[SnSstealth]

;) no problem opie, and good point, girls are getting to heavy to carry out...lol do pics then from now on.

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whiskeytango

[Iyaman]

Thanks for those graphs, Stealth! And those ladies are looking beautiful! Well done

[smokealot123]

wow, there comeing around nicely.. whats the expected yeild ?:stoned:

[Artisin530x]

Very impressive! Definitely the best LED grow I've seen yet. Opie and yourself are definitely 'shedding some light' on the subject! I didn't think the technology was here yet, but I stand corrected. I was a nationally certified electronics professional for a few years, so this is extremely interesting to me. Your plants have great color too! Anticipating the finished product... Excellent job Stealth!

[phatsesh101]

Its so beautiful what you and the leds are doing i could cry

[SnSstealth]

thanks for the good words guys....and Im not gonna attempt a projected yeild....we have no clue honestly...new light technology, new F1 cross...many variables for me to say an expected yeild...HOPEFULLY around a Lb with the 9 plants....
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whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

eh.....i was a lil stoned last night....i may get mad at only a Lb...lol, think my problem 2 plants are good...flushed the hell outta them, havent gotten any worse, still growing strong....
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whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

well...its day 20 of flowering, and i am happy....progressing quite well....look at the pics....good resin already!!!! the sick girl seems to be fine after the flush (thanks WH!!). I am actually getting VERY optimistic about the yeild, not getting my hopes up...but hell, look at where they are at 20 days!!! And if LEDs get better than this, I am so ready...lol
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whiskeytango

[phatsesh101]

it likes like ill be buying a procyon or 2 soon about a week after we see how far you go. its worth it for veg definitly and if it flowers it eliminates 2 lights oh i cant wait
:D

[zebulon]

wow...awesome looking plant...nice work so far, i can't wait to see the final result...:thumbsup:

[HerbalConfusion]

The plants look very happy and very healthy. I think this is the future of growing. This is definitely not the most cost effective method to grow weed though. :hippy: (I am not dissing in anyway.) Cause honestly im taken aback by the beatiful color of those leaves they just looks so healthy.

[DLONES]

Well it's great to see someone is trying it. I went to there (PROCYON) site and they said they are on back order and they should be receiving another shipment on the 28th. So way less water absorption is a given with the low heat. how far along are you now. The light is basiclly sitting 3" off the top of the plants? Well I'm Hoping your investment pulls you a nice yield will surely follow. GOOD LUCK I will be the next guinne pig LOL

[SnSstealth]

not the most cost effective? the entire room is only pulling 450w....less than a TV...but whatever...thanks for the good words guys;)

we got the first shipment of the lights...heh...they are back-ordered now...and we are 20 days into flowering

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whiskeytango

[phatsesh101]

theres so musch less cost this way. 600 for the light is not bad cause hydro cuts nutes in half and supposedley 1/3 for aero not to mention cooling cost reduced ventilation in the long run it really adds up lesss bulbs dimmer light, if i enter my G.R. at night i brighten the whole damn block i could go on but you can alreadyu start to see the possibilities the only way thats more efficient would be an outdoor grow where you only pay for soil and water

[jackstone58]

keep us posted,..Im very interested on how they do?? I have reado good and bad on it. Good Luck!!

[veggii]

hey hey heyy stealth looking sexy!! so very sexy:thumbsup:
proycon owe's u bigtime baby!!:hippy:
i'm so blazed?%#@!cost effective he must high:wtf:
the led's last what 5 to 10 yrs
I'm seeing about making some led's with those pro-lights
but it's looking like their wavelenght is off a bit hey opie did
you per chance peek at em wot cha tink 3 watt
3w blue Peak Wave Length (nm) : 465 ~ 470
3w red Peak Wave Length (nm) : 620~630 just in
gotta puff puff
stealth you can be my caregiver anytime!!
all the girls luv you:D

[Balkey]

I'm impressed with the Resin production. At 20 days, that's quite impressive and is making me salivate. :stoned::stoned::stoned:

[FeelinHazy]

I just read thru this whole thread, comming along great, almost finished. cant wait 2 see the finished product. Really inspiring grow:S5:

[SnSstealth]

heh,....got the new high times, got a letter in there! but they cut the letter short :(...and called us hydro.....lol, oh well, Im sure they give us more room at the end of harvest....i guess that guy who said congradulations was from high times....turmoil? any truth there?....lol

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whiskeytango

[physicsnole]

Im sure once they see the harvest they will put you on the front cover....:joint1:

[SnSstealth]

lol....thanks

[turmoil]

heh,....got the new high times, got a letter in there! but they cut the letter short :(...and called us hydro.....lol, oh well, Im sure they give us more room at the end of harvest....i guess that guy who said congradulations was from high times....turmoil? any truth there?....lol

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whiskeytango

I wish I could say I was with High Times, But alas I'm not. Just another fan waiting to see how your grow does before buying a Procyon!

:jointsmile:

[SnSstealth]

well buckle your seat belt....rides 2/3 over!!!
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whiskeytango

[DLONES]

Would you reccomend this to be experimented by others or do you feel save your money stick witht the HPS and get the job done with blowing out crops. Do you feel the PROCYON was worth the investment, as but not least this is to much to follow how many plants total do you have going under leds and whats the lay out? THANKS GOOD LUCK

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Snsnstealth,

Thought I check back in and I am very impressed:)

I am starting to see the pudding.

Just FYI I think I read you say you are 1/3 of the way thru this flower. To get really good yeilds takes around 11 to 12 weeks I am finding. So I would say 1/4 of the way thru would be a better estimate. JMO

Keep it growin!

[SnSstealth]

welcome Dlones...check the second link in my signature..;)
and ask me if they are worth it in 6 weeks...lol. so far, hell yeah, but lets see the harvest.
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whiskeytango

[DLONES]

:thumbsup:Hey man It's a Revoluionary thing your doing here I've seen almost all our posts and been following for the last few days now. I have some Sensi Star Sour Diesel Getting Started myself. I'm thinking of just buying 2-3 procyons that's why I asked how you have them spaced and working. I know you ran in to some probs and had to play with lamp. Were did you find it to be a optimal height from plants. The posts and pics are great. I feel really bad for asking but can you break down the height and watering time from veg to flower. Or Show me to the links. THANKS ALOT DLONE :thumbsup:

[SnSstealth]

:thumbsup:Hey man It's a Revoluionary thing your doing here I've seen almost all our posts and been following for the last few days now. I have some Sensi Star Sour Diesel Getting Started myself. I'm thinking of just buying 2-3 procyons that's why I asked how you have them spaced and working. I know you ran in to some probs and had to play with lamp. Were did you find it to be a optimal height from plants. The posts and pics are great. I feel really bad for asking but can you break down the height and watering time from veg to flower. Or Show me to the links. THANKS ALOT DLONE :thumbsup:

Hey dlone most of that is here
SETUP & VEGETATION SUMMARY: http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/...ml#post1819190

i'd say 12" to 18" up for a spread out area. as 24"+ seems to drop off in intensity, though the Jack herer tops sure dont mind being inches from them. watered every 4-ish days, fed on all but 3 of those. did not keep a table of this but we did follow fox farm schedule. best height numbers will be in above post. Ill get the height of all 10 (9 pots, 1 doubled) plants tomorrow.

:upsidedow:rastabong: nite
db:smokin:

[SnSstealth]

11-12 weeks jerry?...must be growing some straight sativas....i meant 2/3 throught the grow...maybe 9 weeks, tops, for flowering

WT

[BlueBong]

Toss me in with the "signed up because of this thread" crowd. I even sat here tonight and read the thread from beginning to end. More thoroughly than skimming but less than every single word, anyway. Not to be inflammatory, but I very nearly walked away from the forum and never came back after those first few pages of relative negativity, but I'm glad I stuck with it to the end.

You're well on your way to convincing me to try something similar once I'm able to afford it. (obviously, the end results will matter most) I'll have to pop over to the LED Theory thread to see if an idea I have brewing has been mentioned yet. At any rate, I mainly started this post to thank you for rolling the dice on a big chunk of change just in the name of experimentation. I don't know if I could've done the same thing in your place.. $1800 would go a long way in working on my project car, among other things. Good luck with the rest of the grow.

Back to lurking for me..

[SnSstealth]

fellow floridian huh?.....thanks for the intersest, we did catch alot of shit in the beginning....lol
whiskeytango

[BlueBong]

Yep. Left side, near the bottom. Just a tad over 30 years of it. We'll leave it at that.

Reading this thread made the ideas start to fly. Might be up to house remodelling by the time I'm done.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Snsnstealth,

I am growing White Widows, THC Bomb, and other unknown strains. Last grow I went by age not trics and havested at 8.5 weeks and had an impresive yeild. This grow I am following the way Opie, Shovelhandle, and the FAQ section as to when a plant is ready to harvest when the first amber trics appeare. I just finished week 11 on 2 plants and the difference in size from week 8 to week 11 is 2x.

Put it this way last grow 8.5 of flower, 9 plants 15.5 oz yeild.

This grow, 11 weeks of flower, same plants (Cloans) 9 total, 2lbs + yeild. Yes some of this is due to a better grow this time around but the bud size difference at 8 & 11 weeks is very noticeable.

Just my 2 cents, Go by trics at harvest not time or hairs.

Now back to subject, you have almost got me sold on these lights, just waiting for the pudding.

GREAT WORK so far!!

JG

[SnSstealth]

cha-ching!!!! yup...waitin on the butter ourselves....like the fox farm too huh? all organic too? i go ny trichs when harvesting....i look for 70% on my knock-outs, and 30% for my day bakes;)...all strain relevant though.....pics up later today ish.

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whiskeytango

wow....we got quite a few thumbs downs....???? admin??? wow

[SnSstealth]

.........looks like Im gonna transplant my 2 sick girls....shitty pots...heh, my pot is in shitty pots!!! not funny, i know...just scared Im gonna hurt the girls, and now the room is going to probably be harvested 3 times...lol, DAMNIT!!!

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whiskeytango

but this much resin at 3 weeks flower?...might let these girls go to 80% amber on the jack herer...talk about soaring high...:dance:

[apoc04]

Stumbled onto these boards a couple of days ago, looking for Led info. Man I am happy I did. SnS your pimphand gets stronger and stronger by the day bro! Keep up the great work. I am truly excited about the grow so I can only imagine how you are feeling as time has gone by. :pimp:

[Opie Yutts]

BlueBong, apoc04, welcome.

SnS, I'm pretty sure your thread wins the award for getting new guys to sign up. Congrats. I'll send the trophy and check tomorrow.

[DLONES]

I went online today with all intensions of purchasing 3 maybe 4 procyons. I just love deals buy 4 save $100.00 that seems like a decent deal LOL. I went on
They dont have a direct contact number so I have to wait for a reply from a E-mail.

SnSstealthIs this the same place you received yours from? The link you have sent me SETUP & VEGETATION SUMMARY: [url]http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/...ml#post1819190 (http://www.indooragriculture.com) for some reson is not opening. once again thanks for all your info and replys :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: Wish I could repay you with a good smoke session with some OXy and Percs LOL to bad we all have to be DLONES.... ;)

[veggii]

hey stealth popin checkin on da ladies pics up tonight:thumbsup:
hey saw you seemed a bit concerned on the light situation how's
that doin?? you prolly need more wattage just a guess tho?
like 3 more procyon's hey do you have any specs on the procyon
really looking for the nm range on the cree's havin trouble navi'n their website and getting the model used in the procyon i only have gotton the info on it from indooragriculture
56 CREE* Xlamp high power LEDs (40 635nm, 16 450nm)
i think someone said 450nm was a deathzone?? anywho
blb too see the pic's :jointsmile:

[SnSstealth]

i dont think 3 more procyons....at harvest, we will se if any, what supplemental light we need....it will be LED regardless though...
WT

[veggii]

you mentioned far red so i guessing you are think'n
it's a matter of additional wavelenths not more of what you have
you have approx 300watts and 9 laidies breaks down too approx
33 watts per lady it will be really nice too see what that yeilds
it is really great of you todo do this experiment:thumbsup:

[SnSstealth]

thanks veggii.....our g/w ratio is gonna be awesome already

[Opie Yutts]

Hey everybody, I'm stoned. A little punctuation here and there would be really helpful.

And dlones, a wasn't going to ask but I changed my mind. What does this mean? to bad we all have to be DLONES

[Opie Yutts]

And SnS, that link isn't working for me either.

[DLONES]

Hey everybody, I'm stoned. A little punctuation here and there would be really helpful.

And dlones, a wasn't going to ask but I changed my mind. What does this mean? to bad we all have to be DLONES
DL=DOWN LOW

ONES=INDIVIDUALS

I wana get stoned but not for my name.. LOL

DLONE

[SnSstealth]

weird.......it was our summary...ill look later and see why its not linking....
WT

[SnSstealth]

Yo,

Its post #531, this should be the link http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/147698-led-growing-instructional-grow-log-5.html#post1819190


Db:smokin:

[JeffersonBud]

I have followed LEDS for a while now. If only the light intensity were equal to that of an HID. It will be someday though. LEDS are the future of indoor growing. HID bulbs are too inefficient for future use with electricity being so expensive and they have many downfalls.
If I had my way it would be a magnetic generator and a whole lot of LEDS. Free energy coupled with intelligent growing. I like it.

This post is golden. I can't tell you how much free information I have used on the internet but this is something special. Keep it going man, whatever it takes. 1800 bucks is pocket money in the fact that LEDS last 10+ years under warranty, put out little heat, save thousands in electricity over the years, and leave less of a foot print on the earth. whats better then that?

[BlueBong]

Another thought that suddenly occurs to me, which could go either here or in the LED Theory thread, (please feel free to delete or move if required) is that these Procyon lights could work very well with a small solar power/battery setup. Could help with detection issues where such a thing is a problem. Of course that won't be cheap, but neither are the lights..

The 14w Procyons might be more to my liking, since I'm thinking long and narrow grow area. Maybe mixed with some CFLs, if some can be found that adequately cover the parts of the spectrum not covered by the LEDs. I think of it sort of like (if you thought about it from the perspective of the plants) the LEDs are the regular diet, and the CFLs are like nutritional supplements. But I'm still very curious as to how this all-LED grow will come out. I've passed the info on to the other two people I trust, (and who have an interest in this sort of thing) so you have three of us on the edges of our seats waiting for this one.

Pass or fail, you still deserve a lot of credit for trying this with that sort of cash outlay. I completely understand the "I can't rest until I know if it works" mentality. You'll see a lot of that if I ever post (in another thread, obviously) about any of the projects I have burning holes in my brain.. like my car plans. I'll raise a bowl in your honor at the end of this dry spell.

[JeffersonBud]

I think a residential solar panel will be enough for 3 of those. not sure of the cost vs. benefit though. Have you seen the magnetic drivers out there. A European company sells one that is 300KW per hour. They even have a 100kw per hour one that fits into a car with a belt. you come home and plug it into your house and it powers it. Free energy. How much is the cheapest solar panel that produces enough to power to handle 1800 watts?

[BlueBong]

I'd run with this tangent, but I want to try to limit my off-topic responses in their grow log. Maybe in the LED Theory thread, or a new thread about the possibility of alternative energy sources being more appealing with the rise of LED grow lights? I'm still new here, and I'm loathe to make new threads on any board, so I'll follow someone else's lead on this.

[evilgunny]

Hey, I've been lurking this thread for awhile, and just wanted to say nice job. Your plants look really nice for 20 days into flower. I've been thinking about investing in a few, but am waiting on your results ;] I have some widow about 14 days into flower under a 600 watt HPS, and I don't think they're gonna look as nice as yours by day 20. Especially with the trich formation. I'm a newb, though, so it could very likely just be me.

Also, I saw you said Opie had info on how to build an LED grow light? You mind telling me how to private message on this site? Thanks man, and keep it up :thumbsup:

[SnSstealth]

Hi all,

welcome blu, evil, and jefferson

yeah weve discussed solar panels and probably will get something in the future but, as blu so eloquently(wow, spelled that right myself lol) pointed out it should be in another thread:thumbsup:

evil, our feeding schedule has been pretty aggressive also, which is helping. we want to see what they can handle. the comment about opie was in reference to the led theory thread which is listed in our signature. there are many many discussions on ratios and construction. Im not saying hell tell you how to build one, if want real techie info and can not speak of our fav plant then see greenpinelane.com for construction advise.

and DLONES, I would love to show the world and the attention weve gotten here has helped us get noticed by HT. I just want true potheads to be able to grow their own stuff without fears of raids and plant burning and anything else that comes with putting a street light in your house. wouldnt that be great?

Just wanted to make one statement about possible harvest size. The only issue remaining that could affect this is the temps. NO the procyons are not putting off enough heat to affect the room. literally the temp leaving the closet is the same as in the adjoining room. However, weird cold fronts and an old ac unit has meant that they are not getting the proper temp drops at night that they would like. I am trying to get a small in room ac to cover this but that may not happen until the IRS gives me my $600 in may (thanks uncle sam:thumbsup:). so its my thought that if we get remotely close to HID results this time(fingers crossed) then we should blow em out next time.

thanks again
db:smokin:

[SnSstealth]

BlueBong, apoc04, welcome.

SnS, I'm pretty sure your thread wins the award for getting new guys to sign up. Congrats. I'll send the trophy and check tomorrow.

SWEET...lol

I know your havin fun with us:thumbsup: but wow, there are alot of em. and thats just people whove posted. im sure weve had many more sign up to see the pics. never thought we would be at 600 posts and 20 some thousand views at the end, let alone now.

well, time to go back to work where I get small checks and absolutely no trophies:wtf:

db:smokin:

[evilgunny]

Ahh, mine has been pretty agressive also. started veg at 800 ppms, 2 weeks of flower and have worked up to 1600. connoisseur, big bud, hygrozyme, voodoo, carboL, molasses atm. bud blood first week. they look healthy, but not as nice as those. But like I said, could be because Im a newb. Here's to hoping that it's because those LEDs really work, though. That'd make life alot easier for alot of people ;]

[SnSstealth]

okie guys...update and pic time. we have the jack herer, thats the tall girl, and after talking to wifey about the strains we had...she said the jack herer hermie pollinated the white widow and purps plants...so that means that the jack herer is the only parent plant...ill put a index of the pics in the next post...our "bonzai" as opie put it is doing GREAT...i saw WH's church plant, so i decided to prune and shape one plant BUSHY as hell....ill put that one as the first pic...these pics will have a shot of the whole plant, and a bud shot to show growth...CRAZY resin for 24 days huh!?!?! i cant wait till next grow, knowing what we have learned....our second grow with these lights will definitely set a standard...we know what supplemental light we need...different cooling methods...our only temp "problem" now is that the room never fluctuates more than 8 degrees...Is that causing any issues you guys think?...need some imput on that one...
well, heres the pics...
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

ok ...pics below:
First 3 pics:
this WH inspired plant, will from now on go by the name "bonzai" (thanks opie:thumbsup:)
last 2:
single stem so i know how the cross responds to topping, or not.

this post:
First 3 pics:
jack herer!!!
Last 2:
not sure which strain/cross, but Im pretty sure its the same as the single stem above...its either JH x WW, or JH x Purps...we shall see at the end, they are obviously not the JH x BB, thats the other 6 plants....

ENJOY

[Opie Yutts]

Free energy...

Sorry, no such thing. Never has been, never will be. Laws of physics and such...

[Opie Yutts]

I'm still new here, and I'm loathe to make new threads on any board, so I'll follow someone else's lead on this.

Don't be shy, we like input and discussion. Even dumb stuff gets us talking, not that your stuff would be dumb. If you use a little common sense nobody will mind you making threads. That's what this place is all about.

[Opie Yutts]

Also, I saw you said Opie had info on how to build an LED grow light? You mind telling me how to private message on this site? Thanks man, and keep it up :thumbsup:

I don't actually have a lot of info on building LED grow arrays. I spent $100 on supplies to play around with making some small test arrays to refresh my memory of electronics and get a feel for wiring LEDs. That's about it, other than the myriad of links I have in my favorites. Just use your favorite search engine (which should be ixquick.com IMO) to search "how to LED".

The only way I know of to message someone on this site is to rep them with your email address in the message and hope they respond.

[Opie Yutts]

...our only temp "problem" now is that the room never fluctuates more than 8 degrees...Is that causing any issues you guys think?...need some imput on that one...


I don't think lack of fluctuation would cause much of a problem, if any. I know that it's best to have a fluctuation of less than 15 degrees F at night, with 10 being even better.

Frosting up nicely! Did you say how many days total you expect to flower?

[SnSstealth]

thanks opie;)...JH usually is about70-75...and i am going for 60% amber....so probably right around 70....unless there is a variance from the LEDs...which there doesnt seem to be so far.....
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[veggii]

Hi sNs Stealth just checking back in on your ladies
they are looking excellent keep up the good work
and keep those !!WoW!! factor pic's coming HT luv's them
:rasta::rasta::rasta:

[SnSstealth]

hi guys,

25 days into flowering and I couldnt be happier:D most have started their last big vertical growth spurt. theyve all started budding in earnest, all but the 2 plants that were sick, which we seem to have stopped the problem and are now starting up producing pistils again. got a new fan today, having bad luck with oscillating fans. they seem to break down easily when hung on the wall. hope this one pans out:thumbsup:

db:smokin:

[keeko]

Sns, lets get back to some of your healthy looking pics instead of this other BULLSHIT. its looking great so far. keep up the good work:thumbsup:

[veggii]

did I hear their are more drool zone pics comin:jointsmile:
honey get me a paper towel plz :jointsmile:

[SnSstealth]

did I hear their are more drool zone pics comin:jointsmile:
honey get me a paper towel plz :jointsmile:

:lol5:soon, its night time for the girls.

thanks vegii,
db:smokin:

[SnSstealth]

Ahh, mine has been pretty agressive also. started veg at 800 ppms, 2 weeks of flower and have worked up to 1600. connoisseur, big bud, hygrozyme, voodoo, carboL, molasses atm. bud blood first week. they look healthy, but not as nice as those. But like I said, could be because Im a newb. Here's to hoping that it's because those LEDs really work, though. That'd make life alot easier for alot of people ;]

thanks for the info, makes me even happier:D

later
db:smokin:

[veggii]

Hey sNs stealth did you see these Luxim lights yet
someone copied the sun!!!,, wow I just saying
that what a couple days ago ... sweet 4ft kola's:D
in your closet aren't far off...:D
Video: Luxim&#039;s tiny but powerful plasma lightbulb - CNET News.com (http://www.news.com/Luxims-tiny-but-powerful-plasma-lightbulb/1606-2_3-6234653.html)
:rasta::rasta::rasta:
Video: Luxim&#039;s tiny but powerful plasma lightbulb - CNET News.com (http://www.news.com/Luxims-tiny-but-powerful-plasma-lightbulb/1606-2_3-6234653.html)

[SnSstealth]

thanks for the link veggii!! very interesting shit! i want 20 of em...lol
WT

[physicsnole]

Hey sNs stealth did you see these Luxim lights yet
someone copied the sun!!!,, wow I just saying
that what a couple days ago ... sweet 4ft kola's:D
in your closet aren't far off...:D
Video: Luxim's tiny but powerful plasma lightbulb - CNET News.com (http://www.news.com/Luxims-tiny-but-powerful-plasma-lightbulb/1606-2_3-6234653.html)
:rasta::rasta::rasta:
Video: Luxim's tiny but powerful plasma lightbulb - CNET News.com (http://www.news.com/Luxims-tiny-but-powerful-plasma-lightbulb/1606-2_3-6234653.html)


those do look very interesting veggii, and do pose opportunities for very high lm (or better said PAR) in a very small space. :D

[veggii]

hey fo sure i'll buy 10 of them pucks!!
Gadgets: Luxim's 250W Tic-Tac Sized Bulb Blows Away 400W LEDs (http://gizmodo.com/369372/luxims-250w-tic+tac-sized-bulb-blows-away-400w-leds)
forgot this one posted same one twice doh!!:jointsmile:

[SnSstealth]

DLONES,

Please stop flaming this site. I understand that you got upset when someone you werent talking to answered your ? in a way that was abrasive. We got yelled at by the same people you are when we didnt know the forum rules, and in the same tone. I dont know what your post was or who reported it. we did not flag it. were all trying to help each other here. you asked us for info on the Procyons and our grow which I feel we accommodated you quite well on that request. in turn you have offered up your own ideas and advise, thank you. we started this thread to show an led grow from beginning to end. the end is lacking from most of these and we felt with the class 2 LEDs we had a shot at making it work. with 500+ posts its getting harder and harder to navigate. so if you have any ?'s, comments or ideas about the grow that you would like to offer up, its more than welcome, if you bring back the tone you had when you first posted. otherwise its just more chatter that will be removed (again not by us, weve had posts deleted too). im not saying youve got to be lauding us with praises, just drop the personal attacks.

have not tried the heated floor concept. cant do it now financially, but will keep it in mind for the future:thumbsup:

again please respect the thread,
Doughboy:smokin:

[SprocketMan]

I'm new here. I don't even have an avatar yet, but I do know one thing... I respect the determination and money SnSstealth has forked into this LED project and have been reading these posts from the start, and now up to the finish. I noticed something towards the end of these posts that I notice happens to other forums, and it's a crying shame, and that is when a n00b gets on and has to stir up crap for his own personal excitement. It's unfortunate and it's always going to be there.

But the quickest way to remedy such a downer is to look over it like it was never there.

My kudos goes out to SnSstealth and the buds he will surely enjoy harvesting, and may your money be well toked sir! :pimp:

[SnSstealth]

thanks for watching sproketman,

not quite at the end yet, but you know im bouncing around like a superball when I look in the room. feeling much better about that cash drop now too, seeing the results were getting already. the room should pay for itself w/ the first harvest, so it will be well toked:thumbsup:

and thanks to all of the watchers for for the 30,000+ views.

db:smokin:

[SnSstealth]

going to take update pics soon....be right back;)
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[Melskid]

SNS, My mouth is watering for my lamp now that I have seen your latest pics. Keep up the good work and a little partying now and again helps the pain. I appreciate the effort and sharing.

[FakeBoobsRule]

Ok everyone learn to play together or leave the sandbox. Clones and Stealth both of you. Clones, you are new to the site and maybe you should read more or just get to know members better so that if you have useful advice to share you are taken seriously. I don't have time to read all your posts right now to see what kind of info you have but if you are starting off with bad info you may never be taken seriously so just something to think about. Stealth, chill and relax a little. Sometimes you just have to ignore some things and just get back on topic with the thread.

[SnSstealth]

oh boy...they are lookin so yummy;)...thought i would do some oooh-aaah pics, (for you veggii;)) getting hard to move the plants for pics, so we will be putting a drop light or 2 in there for pics purpose...apent all morning flushing the hell outta the plants...all in 3 gal, flushed with 5 gal water each!!!...back hurts now..lol still got that spotting going on too...:wtf: so hopefully this does it...put some NEEM oil on them too, just in case it was pests....girls better get their act together!!!

:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[physicsnole]

WOW SnS....lookin real nice...:thumbsup:

[SnSstealth]

ty physics....start calling you the LED bill Nye..the science guy...lol
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

Stealth......I love you (two) but the pink......I can NOT handle.....

[apoc04]

Looking good SnS. I got the same Procyon 100 LED coming soon. Gonna be my first grow ever so I am really glad to see what is happening in this grow log. Keep up the great work bro. :thumbsup:

[SprocketMan]

I don't know... I may be the only one on here to think this, but the pink adds somewhat of an 'evil' hue and makes me think of cotton candy. My mouth is salivating now for a big toke of evil cotton candy bud. Call me strange, but that pink tone adds an element to the pics that just makes me feel warm inside. :rastasmoke:

[SMOK3R]

Thanks for putting in the time to document this grow. I heard about this grow log on another forum and have been following it for a little under a month. The only led grow log that has been worth following that I know of. Just had a couple questions:

How far exactly are you into flowering?

At this point does your grow seem to be following the same timeline as a traditional grow that you have done in the past with these strains?

Keep it up guys... thanks:jointsmile:

[GreenPhantom]

Hey man, lookin great in there!

SOOOO glad to see someone fully documenting their LED grow, especially with the relatively new Procyon 100. I'm waaay impressed.

Any idea why they seem be be stretching a bit as they get in to flower mode?

You're gonna be stoked and smoked when you harvest... :jointsmile:

Any probs with spotting since the neem? I noticed them in early pics...

Keep doing an awesome job man!:thumbsup:

[SnSstealth]

lol.....sorry WH..will have the drop lights in there soon;)...yes everything seems to be going at the same timeline...but the resin seems to be much more than normal....not even at week 4 flowering mark, and have ALOT of resin on there...not a complaint by any means, lol....

[SnSstealth]

those superleds look kinda promising...basically the procyons with adjustable output...slightly better wavelengths....hmmm:smokin: see if they need a tester:thumbsup:
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[veggii]

lol.....sorry WH..will have the drop lights in there soon;)...yes everything seems to be going at the same timeline...but the resin seems to be much more than normal....not even at week 4 flowering mark, and have ALOT of resin on there...not a complaint by any means, lol....
rofl!! i bet your not:jointsmile:
man those pics were so luscious the paper towel my honey
brought me just did'nt cut it.. i had to change T-shirts!!
Stealth !WoW! !!!((((AWESOME))))!!!! pic's
gotta Luv that pink,,,,, ya know I am a ***!
I bet your stoked ...:D
I want to send out a big shoutout to :Emeritus Gertrude Neumark Rothschild
:rasta::rasta::rasta:

[stinkyattic]

Looking good as always.
I've gone through and looked at the deleted crap from our newest troll, and I have to say a big THANK YOU to SnStealth and Doughboy for handling yourselves with such dignity. You guys are gentlemen AND growers :jointsmile:

[SnSstealth]

awww...stinky makes me blush:giggity: and per request from WH...put up a light in the grow and took more pics....tell me how they look, should i use flash? or are they good;). we are getting COPEOUS amounts of resin here for this early in bloom. looks like we are on point as far as bud mass goes too...maybe a little heavy even, but ill be careful in making that claim just yet....lol
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

Damn....they look GREAT! NICE looking buds coming up there Stealth. :thumbsup:

[SnSstealth]

hmmm....they look a lil fuzzy, maybe turn off the fan next time...lol. if you look closely, in the last pic, you can see where i have had to start LST on the jack herer...going too wide and tall fast, so i bent and brought a couple branches together with their lovely buds pointing straight up....it will form a nice crown when they grow together...

[stinkyattic]

You got thrips in there or something? Plants look healthy but I see 'trails' on a couple leaves... catch those lil shits quick!

[SnSstealth]

lol!!! thats the same spotting i was having... so we flushed ALL the plants with 5 gal (3 gal pots)...and put neem oil on all of them...spots go way please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:wtf:
WT

[stinkyattic]

Not a fert problem- thrips. Get closeups showing the pale white/silver spots. Neem will help; loosely covering the soil surface with a paper plate with a slit cut to the center to slide over the main stem will keep them from breeding.

[Weedhound]

That sweet DLONES got banned? I'm shocked! :eek: I'd love to see some close ups as well.....not real familiar with pest problems......I had it pegged as k def due to fert build up.

[SnSstealth]

i told him to chill or he will get banned...fuck em!...lol better pest pics in a few.
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

is this getting worse because they moved leaves when we sprayed? should we spray again?..its that veggie safe waxy spray...heres some pics...i just cut off those really covered fan leaves..still cant SEE the pests..thats why we flushed too!!...lol
:smokebong:
whisekytango

[SnSstealth]

and for a couple pics that arent blurry...heh:jointsmile:
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

Hey Stinky,

we sprayed em all down with the spray again VERY thoroughly. dont have any paper plates but have some black card stock (what the pics of the leaves are on). I placed a bunch of them in there to cover the top of the pot line across the whole room. this sound ok? I really want those bastards gone...NOW! :wtf:

thanks again for your help,
db:smokin:

[Weedhound]

Well I FREELY admit I am no bug expert but that looks EXACTLY like my plants and their k def that happens when I get fert build up. Stealth did flushing help at all or am I completely on the wrong track here?

[SnSstealth]

i am with you here WH!!!! i am confused as hell....lol...flushing and chopping helped the first one....so we flushed them heavily yesterday....today i trimmed off a few more fan leaves(i know...it hurts) that were bad, and we sprayed them more with the veggie pest spray...i am at a loss....'
:smokebong:\
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

hey weedhound,

yeah, thats what we thought, but 5-6 days of attempting to fix that seemed to have no effect. we did a flush of all the plants yesterday, for the 3 affected plants its twice now at least. got some great flow out of the pots and didnt seem to change. our tallest "jack" got worse as the day went on today. and were not positive, but we believe we saw a couple of the bugs. extremely tiny, white body, worm shape, 1/4 to 1/2 mm sitting on the center petiole. is this what they look like stinky?

thanks WH for your help hope we get it down:thumbsup:
db:smokin:

[SnSstealth]

lol...double post:thumbsup:
db:smokin:

[phatsesh101]

here

[SnSstealth]

that looks like it!!!! ganja eating bastards!!!!! lol
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[veggii]

!!WoW!! Stealth you are quite handy with a camera
really ((((Awesome)))) pics I'll break out my bible
see what it says about those pests:thumbsup:

[SnSstealth]

thanks veggii...photography=hobby, growing ganja=lifestyle

:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[veggii]

well my bible is eluding me but a found this:

The more common product which can be applied that
poses little risk or hazard is INSECTICIDAL SOAP. Used
by many "natural farmers" and regarded as not being
a true insecticide, Insecticidal Soap will quickly
kill off thriving thrips. It won't hurt plants or
produce which is growing but it will work on just
about any nuisance pest which is feeding and present
during applications. The big limitation of this
material is that it won't provide any residual; once
applied and dried it is essentially gone. This means
you will have to repeat treatments as often as
needed which is usually twice a week during growing
seasons and more if local populations are abundant.
If the thrips are too persistent and you want
something a little stronger which will provide some
residual, use PERMETHRIN CONCENTRATE. This is a
true insecticide which is odorless, easy to mix and
works on just about any pest in and around the
garden. Since it works well for whiteflies and aphids,
Permethrin is a natural for plants which are subject
to a wide range of pests. Most importantly, it is
the strongest product to use on fruits and vegetables
so if you have a garden you are trying to protect,
this is your best bet. It has a complete label which
includes just about any target pest, any plant - fruit
or vegetable - and 1-2 weeks of residual. Probably
the most common active ingredient being used today
by farmers in the agricultural market, Permethrin
has a wide range of uses and presents a low hazard
or danger to mammals
full article:
thrip spray, Thrip Spray, THRIP SPRAY, thrip treatment, Thrip Treatment, THRIP TREATMENT, thrips, Thrips, THRIPS, thrip attack, Thrip Attack, THRIP ATTACK, thrip bite, Thrip Bite, THRIP BITE, thrip spray, Thrip Spray, THRIP SPRAY, thrips, Thrips, THR (http://www.bugspray.com/article/thrips.html)

[stinkyattic]

You may have two problems- the RUST colored spots from one source and the silver trails from the other, or the rust spots could be scarring from the damage of the trails... lol confused? :D
I think you have pests causing the trails. The spots COULD be k def, or they could be scarring. A bloom fert with more K isn't a terrible idea for next time if that's the case, and I doubt you have lockout keeping up on your other stuff so well. But either way there's the bug problem. A pair of pyrethrin bombs set off 4 days apart will kill ANYTHING bug-like in there. Go! DOOOOO IT!!! :D Get'em.

[Weedhound]

Hope you guys solve it Stealth whatever it is......bugs is starting to be the main war cry here!!! :D

[SnSstealth]

it comes in bombs!?!?! awesome, i have soaked myself trying to spray that stuff on/under the plants...lol i gotta go get some of those!!....lol and I am treating for both just in case...so they go one week without nutes....not really a bad thing, got flushed good too!!! these bitches better get better...heh

thanks stinks WH and veggii!!
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

i gotta bring this up again....can i get a "GODDAMN!!!" for that resin production?!?!?! only 27 days:jointsmile:

[Rock.Steady]

bugs?
uggg.
im not happy now.:wtf:
unfair disadvantage during research.
Mother Nature will need to take a 15 yard penalty.

hope u get it resolved dude.:smokin:

[SprocketMan]

As stated earlier, I'm new here, but I'm also a grower wannabe. One question - I thought one of the benefits of indoor growth was the likely elimination of the insect factor. How would these insects even begin to bring their pesky little asses into, what has been, such a beautiful picture? Do you suppose there were larvae in the soil? Is there anything an indoor grower can do to prep the soil so that this doesn't become a familiar incident?

Thank ya

[SnSstealth]

As stated earlier, I'm new here, but I'm also a grower wannabe. One question - I thought one of the benefits of indoor growth was the likely elimination of the insect factor. How would these insects even begin to bring their pesky little asses into, what has been, such a beautiful picture? Do you suppose there were larvae in the soil? Is there anything an indoor grower can do to prep the soil so that this doesn't become a familiar incident?

Thank ya

hey sproketman,

elimination is hard to achieve, but yes you should be able to control them and ill be getting the bombs today. no, i doubt they were in the soil due to using Ocean forest indoor growing soils. also they probably would have shown much earlier. the room is "near" sealed but any thing that small is will find its way in. growing plants attract insects, such is life. ive seen in researching this there are pyrethrin powders...so maybe mixing in or dusting the top of the pots with it as it appears thats where they breed. (see stinky learn something new every day:thumbsup:) pyrethrin seems to control many different bugs too so i wouldnt see where it would hurt.



bugs?
uggg.
im not happy now.
unfair disadvantage during research.
Mother Nature will need to take a 15 yard penalty.

hope u get it resolved dude.

yo rock,

tell me about it:wtf: its three of the ten and two of those will most likely harvested late. ill be working hard at it today.

thanks all,
db:smokin:

[Gilfaethwy]

I thought one of the benefits of indoor growth was the likely elimination of the insect factor. How would these insects even begin to bring their pesky little asses into, what has been, such a beautiful picture?

Plenty of ways unfortunately. :(

Eggs can be brought in attached to clothes or shoes on a gardener in even the best sealed greenhouse.

The little buggers are sneaky.

SnSsteath, you have my best wishes! We're all rooting for the good health of the ladies!

[SnSstealth]

so... I tried to find some pyrethrin bombs but apparently they dont sell at the major stores or the hardware store. tried to find grow shops in the area and can only get nurseries. cant order online till friday but need it before then. any ideas?

they seem to be doing better, still not producing but better.

db:smokin:

[Opie Yutts]

Bombing should work, but you can also dip. I've found that spraying doesn't work because it's nearly impossible to cover all surface areas of the plants. Get a 5 gallon bucket and fill it with an insecticide solution of your choice, the stronger and more toxic the better. No tree huggin safe or natural crap, unless you just like wasting time and money. Hold the dirt in your pots with a towel or piece of Styrofoam, and turn the plants upside down and dunk them. Shake them gently to get all the air bubbles out, then put them back into your grow. Also thouroghly drench the soil, pots and all surfaces of the grow area. Normally you would need to pull your lights about 4 feet back until the plants dry, but I don't think you need to worry about it in your situation. I highly doubt that they will burn with LED lights that far away. Of course if you want to easily get rid of all pests, use a No Pest Strip by Spectracide. You and others probably don't think it will work, but you and others are wrong if that's the case. The strips work wonderfully, and of course are the easiest and cheapest solution possible. Just turn off your ventilation for one night, and in the morning, all pests will be dead. I promise, as long as you follow the instructions and double the recommended dose. As far as eggs or babies, leave the strips in there for a week and everything will be dead. Really. If you don't believe me, as many others have not, it only costs about $8 to try one. Wouldn't that be worth the gamble, even if you bought 2?

[SnSstealth]

opie,

I was trying to find strips at the same time but all i saw was the hanging ones, and as they arent flying, i wasnt sure. i didnt have a brand name before but I will definitely go back and try to find them.

and opie ill trust whatever you say about growing...well, except maybe lighting issues...:lol5: j/k

thanks again, gotta run to the store before work
db:smokin:

[SnSstealth]

I didnt get exactly those opie. but they are 2 large 4"x8" glue traps hor mice. i put a couple of strips of yellow and red elec. tape. i saw some glu strips on-line last night and they had them in those colors so i figure it cant hurt. placed one at pot-line of the attacked plants and one next to the wall.

gotta run
db

[SnSstealth]

in orlando for a few days....doughboys got it under control for a few days it seems...if the bugs dont leave....its all on you DB!!!!!.....lol j/k pic updates on thurs...
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[veggii]

quick!! somebody hurry!! send some Pyrethrum foggers to him
before them ganja eating basterds eat it all!!
maybe you can get it some in orlando:thumbsup:

[d4twamp]

sup stealth crew,
the ladies r lookin nice.... I'll give you 2 the, GOD DAMN look at that resin production before half way in flower. hope you get that bug situtation under control...we all deal with it some time or another in or out. Just keep up the good work. it sure is work isn't it.

D:S5:

[Opie Yutts]

I hope those help, but those sticky traps don't really do much IMO compared to the 7 thousand mega death 3000 killingwatt powers in the No Pests strips. Or something. But really it's worth it to get those strips off the internet if you can't find them in a store. They are amazing. Very toxic, so maybe you don't want to use them if you are trying to have children. They will kill all pests very quickly though.

[SnSstealth]

lol opie... i am convinced, ....gonna get the super deluxe kill o zap 3000!!!!....heh...cant hurt
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

opie,

im trying to find those online with a few different searches eg. Spectracide Bug Stop Pest Strip. only thing s im finding are MSDS sheets and pesticide warning sites. are they still available, when was the last time you bought them? any link would be greatly appreciated.

thanks,
db:smokin:

[gornik]

I drop by now and then to see how things are going. I gather you have a bug problem. Not sure what it might be but here are two suggestions. I keep them on hand and have only had to use them once. Actually only one of them. Organocide is an organic solution, a spray. And then there's the lethal Don't Bug Me by Fox Farm that has a pretty serious warning label on the back. I got both online, but you might be able to buy them at a local shop. I'd try Organocide because it claims to kill 25 problem insects, controls 4 major diseases, and is safe around the house and pets, etc. Check out the specifics online and see if it meets your need. Good luck!

[search1st]

homegrownlights' DIY Cree Xlamp LED Grow Light kit page changed recently to include a fuzzy photo and some text (non-fuzzy).
DIY Cree Xlamp LED Grow Light - HomeGrownLights.com (http://www.homegrownlights.com/diycree.html)

The kit contains four Xlamps: three XR red (620-635nm) and one royal blue XR-E (450-465nm), and will be available in April 2008 for about $60. I got the LED wavelengths from the Cree site at:
CREE | XLamp XR-E LEDs, leading the revolution in lighting (http://www.creemicrowave.com/products/xlamp.asp)

The Xlamps used seem to be identical to those found in the Procyon 100: containing 56 Xlamps (40 red and 16 blue), making the Prycyon only SLIGHTLY more heavy on the blue (two less red and two more blue) than fourteen DIY 10 watt kits (which have 1/14 the number of Xlamps per kit).

[SnSstealth]

search1st....those are the same exact lights from the procyon...same company making both...if you hit the link below 100 watt, the 100w will come up...they meant to put the 14w kit on future products, but switched the buttons i guess...we are already getting a few of those kits for supplementing our 3 procyons... ryan from HGL said they should be out soon...thanks for the input

:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[GreenLeaf420]

Hello to all..
Wow I would be afraid to try the techniquie you speak of to just straight up Dip the Plants and shake them in the water with strong toxics. I mean we all deal with bug issues but being into flowering a month along you may have more to loose then gain by trying to hard to kill the Fuckers. There are no inhibitors t kill them off? I have a Friend that is a botnist he works in the botanical gardens in the Bronx he takes care of that when it arrives which has basiclly been good... When he stops by I'm going to show him the pics and ask his advice.
Good Luck :)

He will yell @ me for being on these sites LOL


Bombing should work, but you can also dip. I've found that spraying doesn't work because it's nearly impossible to cover all surface areas of the plants. Get a 5 gallon bucket and fill it with an insecticide solution of your choice, the stronger and more toxic the better. No tree huggin safe or natural crap, unless you just like wasting time and money. Hold the dirt in your pots with a towel or piece of Styrofoam, and turn the plants upside down and dunk them. Shake them gently to get all the air bubbles out, then put them back into your grow. Also thouroghly drench the soil, pots and all surfaces of the grow area. Normally you would need to pull your lights about 4 feet back until the plants dry, but I don't think you need to worry about it in your situation. I highly doubt that they will burn with LED lights that far away. Of course if you want to easily get rid of all pests, use a No Pest Strip by Spectracide. You and others probably don't think it will work, but you and others are wrong if that's the case. The strips work wonderfully, and of course are the easiest and cheapest solution possible. Just turn off your ventilation for one night, and in the morning, all pests will be dead. I promise, as long as you follow the instructions and double the recommended dose. As far as eggs or babies, leave the strips in there for a week and everything will be dead. Really. If you don't believe me, as many others have not, it only costs about $8 to try one. Wouldn't that be worth the gamble, even if you bought 2?

[phatsesh101]

those diy cree lamps sre cool but to match the procyon you would need so many that your cost per same amonut of light would increase just 200 something dollars for the equal

[SnSstealth]

i think they are made for supplemental lighting phat, they wouldn't be worth much alone, accpet maybe as a clone light (hmmm...)...we are going to get a few for the sides of the room to go along with our 3 procyons
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[veggii]

Well remember know your getting approx 33watts per plant
so approx.3 of the diy 14watt kits should be good for 1 plant,and if you break down Procyon ratio 40 to 16 it is 5 to 2,and the diy
kit is 3 to 1 or 6 to 2 so a little more red in the diy kit.I would guess that 1 or 2 kits would be good for a clone.Do I smell another experiment.:jointsmile:

Stealth and co you guys are going to add supplemental light
for sure?? i was just wanting to know as this will affect your final yield and change the wattage to yield conversion table. As your experiment sits rite know it will be easy to calculate the wattage to
yield (300w divided by yield =?lbs per watt) but if you guys toss in more watts in the middle of your experiment things will get more complicated.
plz consider this as it would be really nice to have a standard conversion table for led wattage to yield.:jointsmile:

[SnSstealth]

oh for sure veggii.....we will be adding AFTER this harvest...we will definitely finish this experiment to give everyone a basis for LEDs and MJ growing;)

:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[veggii]

oh for sure veggii.....we will be adding AFTER this harvest...we will definitely finish this experiment to give everyone a basis for LEDs and MJ growing;)

:smokebong:
whiskeytango
You know you guys are making history rite know ((((awesome))))
the first standard led conversion table get your patent book out!!
:rasta::rasta::rasta:

[lunarose]

Bombing should work, but you can also dip. I've found that spraying doesn't work because it's nearly impossible to cover all surface areas of the plants. Get a 5 gallon bucket and fill it with an insecticide solution of your choice, the stronger and more toxic the better. No tree huggin safe or natural crap, unless you just like wasting time and money. Hold the dirt in your pots with a towel or piece of Styrofoam, and turn the plants upside down and dunk them. Shake them gently to get all the air bubbles out, then put them back into your grow. Also thouroghly drench the soil, pots and all surfaces of the grow area. Normally you would need to pull your lights about 4 feet back until the plants dry, but I don't think you need to worry about it in your situation. I highly doubt that they will burn with LED lights that far away. Of course if you want to easily get rid of all pests, use a No Pest Strip by Spectracide. You and others probably don't think it will work, but you and others are wrong if that's the case. The strips work wonderfully, and of course are the easiest and cheapest solution possible. Just turn off your ventilation for one night, and in the morning, all pests will be dead. I promise, as long as you follow the instructions and double the recommended dose. As far as eggs or babies, leave the strips in there for a week and everything will be dead. Really. If you don't believe me, as many others have not, it only costs about $8 to try one. Wouldn't that be worth the gamble, even if you bought 2?

hi,

aren't those no pest strips kind of toxic they say on the box that they should not be used in the kitchen or around food stuff. if they are breeding in the soil you could try getting a roll of that weed blocking cloth with some perlite to weigh it down. it will allow water and air but will act as a physical barrier.

sharon

[SnSstealth]

seems like the pyrethin, flushing, and the card stock around the bottoms of the plants might have done it...thanks to everyone who helped with this, opie..we are still trying to find those strips....Db hasnt called me freaking out yet, so i will take that as a good thing...lol i will be back around 3 or 4 this afternoon, and get some good pics up there for you guys...today is day 30 of flowering...WOOOO-HOOO
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[DoDoFoShoDoe]

One procyon 100 would grow 4 plants well yeah? or is that too little wattage per plant?

[SnSstealth]

Hey Dodo,

I think 4 possibly 5 straight single stalk or very listed plants could do very well w/ one light, as long as you have good reflection on the sides.

thanks
db

[Opie Yutts]

Hello to all..
Wow I would be afraid to try the techniquie you speak of to just straight up Dip the Plants and shake them in the water with strong toxics.

Why? Nothing to be afraid of. I've done it several times, and it works much better than spraying. The only danger is lights burning the plants if you leave pools of liquid on the leaves. Just pull the lights back after dipping.

[Opie Yutts]

hi,

aren't those no pest strips kind of toxic they say on the box that they should not be used in the kitchen or around food stuff.

Yes, they are very toxic. That's why they work so well. That's also why I recommend not using them during the last 3 weeks or so of flowering.

[SnSstealth]

other than our 2 bothersome ladies, i cant really be happier!! I cant remember a grow i have ever done where there was this many glands a sparklin this early:jawdropper:...cant wait to see the end...almost there! thanks again to everyone who has been here, helping and giving ideas, happy comments, and even criticism. I totally forgot to get a pic of the bonsai i am flowering, i started to bonsai her in hopes of being a mom, but she is getting flowered instead..got some crazy shit for next grow:thumbsup:
fed em today with grow big, big bloom, tiger bloom, beastie blooms, and for the hell of it since we got a sample free, threw in some Sweet.. I'll go buy my succanant when this sample runs out.

a few of the plants have like 40-50% red hairs already...any ideas? no seeds, and its still weeks to early:eek:

:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[apoc04]

WoW those look great Stealth. Gonna be starting my Led grow here in a week or 2 and if it goes half as good as yours I will be a happy man. Keeps up the good work man!:D

[Weedhound]

Looking VERY nice to me too. :thumbsup:

[Balkey]

Am I the only one who looked at pic 2 for 5 minutes? They look very nice!!!!! My mouth waterssssssssss:jointsmile:

[michaelpeg]

yeah that pic is beautiful

[DoDoFoShoDoe]

Awesome! thanks for the quick reply...
It almost seems as if the LEDs are bringing out a new side of the plants, i hope the yield is as good as the trichome production!

CRAZY RESIN!

[GreenLeaf420]

lOOKS GOOD.

[phatsesh101]

THOSE LOOK LIKE CRAP.



nah man im lying there some ofthe most beautiful ive seen AS FAR AS THE HAIRS maybe stress but ive got these damn gdp clones that have been 60% red since week 6 here iam on week 10 and them damn thangs look the same they need to hurry already day 4 no smoke.

[SprocketMan]

Looks like the stimulus package will be responsible for the sales of many of these LED grow lights! I know where mine is going! :stoned:

[SnSstealth]

you guys know I take criticism well. I gotta question. PLEASE be honest with me everyone. I was told on another forum that my bud size was "tiny" for 30 days into flowering? Haters? or does anyone truly feel I am behind on size for 30 days.
Thanks guys, and please respond honestly...i need to know

:smokebong:
whikseytango

[SnSstealth]

they were telling me that i am doing shit wrong too....that i should have the lights RIGHT on the plants. i explained that the procyon recommends 24" and we are at 14"...eh...dont know why its bothering me, but i asked him what tests he has done....none. I kinda dont think someone can tell me i am doing wrong, when i still have yet to see and LED grow at this level yet....just rambling guys, sorry...got my feelings hurt...LOL

:smokebong:
whisekytango

[stinkyattic]

Wow, they're very glossy and healthy. It's nice to see them in 'normal' light for a change. Rock on.