LED growing- An instructional grow log

[d4twamp]

SnSstealth;1835400]they were telling me that i am doing shit wrong too....that i should have the lights RIGHT on the plants. i explained that the procyon recommends 24" and we are at 14"...eh...dont know why its bothering me, but i asked him what tests he has done....none. I kinda dont think someone can tell me i am doing wrong, when i still have yet to see and LED grow at this level yet....just rambling guys, sorry...
got my feelings hurt...LOL

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whisekytango

hey stealth crew,

don't sweat what some fool say's... he has no expirience with your light what does he know.... you guys got the best led grow show goin on.... I'll bet that fool talkin shit, buys his smoke from a real grower... so don't sweat the small stuff.. btw howz the bug issue...what kind r u dealin with...i'm tryin to control the bugs too... the ladiez r still lookin grrrrrreat keep it up whiskey and dough...

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[PopsSoCal]

I have an idea but it is up to you it seems to work here so far... But here it goes I have 4 little ones going I started getting these little flying things coming around. First I found a piece of cedar about 4"x2"x1" and sat it in the middle of the ladies, Now I have not seen a bug 1 for a month now? Hope this helps? I do not know if I would do it to this grow though if you do use the cedar very sparingly but it does seem to work with me ..:D:smokin:


SnSstealth;1835400]they were telling me that i am doing shit wrong too....that i should have the lights RIGHT on the plants. i explained that the procyon recommends 24" and we are at 14"...eh...dont know why its bothering me, but i asked him what tests he has done....none. I kinda dont think someone can tell me i am doing wrong, when i still have yet to see and LED grow at this level yet....just rambling guys, sorry...LOL

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whisekytango

hey stealth crew,

don't sweat what some fool say's... he has no expirience with your light what does he know.... you guys got the best led grow show goin on.... I'll bet that fool talkin shit, buys his smoke from a real grower... so don't sweat the small stuff.. btw howz the bug issue...what kind r u dealin with...i'm tryin to control the bugs too... the ladiez r still lookin grrrrrreat keep it up whiskey and dough...

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[SnSstealth]

the bugs dont seem to be getting worse, but there are more of the spotted leaves dying off..and the plants that were hit seem to be vegging again instead of flowering...wierd..just some pre-flowers still, so they are now about 4 weeks behind the other plants...wondering if its worth it to keep them going...opinions?

thanks for the idea pops, but not sure if you answered my question that you quoted...lol

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whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

vegging again? Huh?? Stealth what's going on over there???

[SnSstealth]

i am so lost WH!!!:( flushed...sprayed twice...dont seem to have bugs anymore...but they STILL ony have a few pre-flowers, and are growing ALOT of laterals and leaves....WTF! cut them too much? just gave them food again yesterday, they had straight water and 2 flushes before that...so maybe they will improve? i gotta do multiple harvests anyway, so maybe i will keep them...if they ever start doing their thing again....they have grown 2-3 more nodes, while all the others have almost stopped vert growth and are just plumping buds....

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whisekytango

[stinkyattic]

Keep them in flower but if you are using ANYTHING with nitrogen in it, cut it back to half or less. Check for light leaks too in the vicinity of that plant.

[smok3y]

Wow lookin good man:jointsmile:

[SnSstealth]

Am I the only one who looked at pic 2 for 5 minutes? They look very nice!!!!! My mouth waterssssssssss:jointsmile:


5minutes... i made pic 3 my desktop background...havent seem to get much done since...lol

db:smokin:

[SnSstealth]

thanks stinky;)...2 of the nutes we are using have N in them....so, I'll cut that back on those 2 plants
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whiskeytango

[GreenLeaf420]

Hey stealth good job on this. Were they ever under Florescents? How Strong are the stems? Do you think that being under Leds the whole time could have been helped W/ using a T5 for wright after seeding? It would make them stronger and just leave it for SUPP light.Tek makes a lamp eight bulbs 40,000 lumens five fixtures equal a 1000 HPS. I know this is a LED GROW log but it is also to find a way for growers to lesson there chances of detection w/o a street ligh wright? So if thats the case 5 Teks equal 200,000 Lumens which equals a 1000 HPS. So maybe 3 procoyos and 5 Teks for side lighting and SUPP lighting for the next one? ;) 3 procyons $1,800 5 Teks $2,000.

[SnSstealth]

they got FAT stems...dont think the T5 would help for the cost...we may just add a few $60 14w cree kits from the guys who did our procyon...or get physicsnole to build it for us....lol
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whiskeytango

[physicsnole]

I think you will really like the array design im thinking. cover the entire surface of one of these heatsinks Bonded Fin/ Standard Parts (http://www.aavidthermalloy.com/products/bondfin/standard.shtml) with the luxeon rebels (only 3mm*4.5mm[13.5mm^2], 0.12"*0.18") and the LedEngin 10W and 15W LEDs(both 7mm* 7mm, 49mm^2). I was thinking of using one of those heatsinks with a width*length*height of 305 mm*371mm*152mm (12"*14.59"*6") , thats 113,155mm^2 cooling area with dual 100cfm fans. on that 113,155m^2 we could fit 8000 luxeon rebel LEDs or 2000 10W LedEngin LEDs!!!!:rastasmoke::rasta::thumbsup::wtf::hippy:( with proper ventilation and cooling). the °C/W rating is .028°C/W, so for it to get 28°C hotter than it would have to receive 1000W of heat energy from the LEDs, voltage regulators, whatever needs to be cooled.

and maybe once i get some funds we could use water cooling systems (like this radio shack one but on a larger scale[will be much cheaper to make]) RadioShack.com - Computers: Components & parts: Cooling systems: Bigwater 735 Liquid Cooling System (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2211693)

[GreenLeaf420]

I think you will really like the array design im thinking. cover the entire surface of one of these heatsinks Bonded Fin/ Standard Parts (http://www.aavidthermalloy.com/products/bondfin/standard.shtml) with the luxeon rebels (only 3mm*4.5mm[13.5mm^2], 0.12"*0.18") and the LedEngin 10W and 15W LEDs(both 7mm* 7mm, 49mm^2). I was thinking of using one of those heatsinks with a width*length*height of 305 mm*371mm*152mm (12"*14.59"*6") , thats 113,155mm^2 cooling area with dual 100cfm fans. on that 113,155m^2 we could fit 8000 luxeon rebel LEDs or 2000 10W LedEngin LEDs!!!!:rastasmoke::rasta::thumbsup::wtf::hippy:( with proper ventilation and cooling). the °C/W rating is .028°C/W, so for it to get 28°C hotter than it would have to receive 1000W of heat energy from the LEDs, voltage regulators, whatever needs to be cooled.

and maybe once i get some funds we could use water cooling systems (like this radio shack one but on a larger scale[will be much cheaper to make]) RadioShack.com - Computers: Components & parts: Cooling systems: Bigwater 735 Liquid Cooling System (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2211693)

What is the cost of this and what is it comparable too? 50 Procyons:thumbsup:.. LOL Good Luck Ill order your first one. I'm looking for all new equipment... When your not confused ;);)LOL

T5 are a great source for SUPP Light for Veg or Flower Stealth 54 watt flowering 24 Watt Veg High Output Ballasts

[Dman007]

what about the fluorescent bulbs ?? Cheap to buy and operate and cool running too. Do they work just as well ??

[physicsnole]

When your not confused

what the fuck is that supposed to mean

[hatch]

other than our 2 bothersome ladies, i cant really be happier!! I cant remember a grow i have ever done where there was this many glands a sparklin this early:jawdropper:...cant wait to see the end...almost there! thanks again to everyone who has been here, helping and giving ideas, happy comments, and even criticism. I totally forgot to get a pic of the bonsai i am flowering, i started to bonsai her in hopes of being a mom, but she is getting flowered instead..got some crazy shit for next grow:thumbsup:
fed em today with grow big, big bloom, tiger bloom, beastie blooms, and for the hell of it since we got a sample free, threw in some Sweet.. I'll go buy my succanant when this sample runs out.

a few of the plants have like 40-50% red hairs already...any ideas? no seeds, and its still weeks to early:eek:

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whiskeytango


They Look Perky & Healthy, Glad to see You still on Good Schedule. Good Luck on Your Finish!!!~~~~~:rastasmoke:

[phatsesh101]

your a pioneer man dont stop shit. next time drop the light and note results. but whatever you do here is paving the way so no one can tell you anything your going to be like a jorge cervantes of led man. and other than that ive had plants that seemed to shoot out pistols mature then shoot another set pistols half way through flower before they really started to nug up could be cross strain. but whatever you do finish all the plants in this experiment we all want and are going to need this info, my buds dont get fat till like last 2 weeksof flower

[SnSstealth]

what the fuck is that supposed to mean

I think hes referring to your "current mood"(next to avatar)...lol

[SnSstealth]

T5's are great i guess. but this is a LED forum. I am growing with LEDs only. My supplemental light...LEDs. If you wish to add both, awesome..It will work fine. But myself, doughboy, and physicsnole are gonna get this LED thing down, and WILL be the definitive "experts" on LEDs.:angry3: I dont see what physics is confused about, He probably knows more than doughboy and myself on the technical aspects of this. Unless there is someone out there with a grow better than ours, I think we kinda know what we are doing.
anyways, sounds like a plan physics:jointsmile: We can talk more when ya come this way:joint1::weedpoke: brainstorms are great!

thanks for all the kind words guys..and again CFLs, and T5s are great for what they are, we are just gonna be pure LED until we have this thing perfected;):thumbsup:
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whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

dont worry phatesh:jointsmile: we have no plans on stopping. we are only gonna get better, and better:thumbsup:
WT

[netdog]

Got an eye on this grow now..

LED's have gotten many times brighter over the last few years and now they producing them bright enough to use a single LED for a car headlight.

Luxeon seems to be the best of them last I saw, has anyone looked at some Luxeons and seen if they offer them in different light wavelengths, or more specifically the right light wavelengths?

I might be down for brewing up an array if so.

[veggii]

:wtf:

[SnSstealth]

netdog please see the first link in our signature for your ?. we, snsstealth know nothing about individual LEDs and dont want to. you will get much better info from the posters in that thread. maybe you could read through part of it. i believe they talk about those alot. sorry but this happens all the time.

db:smokin:

[greendream]

I grew 2 weed plants to the height of 4 feet and i cut it from the base of the plant and removed all the stalks individually and placed them in a cardboard box today and sealed the box because i got some information on the internet from various websites which said after the plant is cut , to keep them in a dark cupboard or a box for 24 hours .

I need to know what to do after 24 hours , i need to know how to dry the weed so i can smoke it ? :jointsmile:

can someone please help me !

[daihashi]

you guys know I take criticism well. I gotta question. PLEASE be honest with me everyone. I was told on another forum that my bud size was "tiny" for 30 days into flowering? Haters? or does anyone truly feel I am behind on size for 30 days.
Thanks guys, and please respond honestly...i need to know

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whikseytango

I'm just going through my first grow, but judging by my plants and other plants I've seen I'd say your plant looks right on schedule or maybe slightly ahead.

They look so healthy and good. The only thing I saw that could be negative was that there was a good bit of stretch between each bud site.

I wish my plants looked that tasty. Keep up the good work. :thumbsup:

[SnSstealth]

I grew 2 weed plants to the height of 4 feet and i cut it from the base of the plant and removed all the stalks individually and placed them in a cardboard box today and sealed the box because i got some information on the internet from various websites which said after the plant is cut , to keep them in a dark cupboard or a box for 24 hours .

I need to know what to do after 24 hours , i need to know how to dry the weed so i can smoke it ? :jointsmile:

can someone please help me !

use the search engine at the top of the page. type in drying or curing and you will find many threads on this subject. this thread is neither the time or place for such ?'s

thanks
db

[GreenLeaf420]

What is the cost of this and what is it comparable too? 50 Procyons:thumbsup:.. LOL Good Luck Ill order your first one. I'm looking for all new equipment... When your not confused ;);)LOL

T5 are a great source for SUPP Light for Veg or Flower Stealth 54 watt flowering 24 Watt Veg High Output Ballasts


what the fuck is that supposed to mean

Your mood is confused (others are stonned buzzed) GET IT pal it was a joke. Don't be so hostile Wana answer the quetsions now?;)

See Mine I'm Happy

[GreenLeaf420]

T5's are great i guess. but this is a LED forum. I am growing with LEDs only. My supplemental light...LEDs. If you wish to add both, awesome..It will work fine. But myself, doughboy, and physicsnole are gonna get this LED thing down, and WILL be the definitive "experts" on LEDs.:angry3: I dont see what physics is confused about, He probably knows more than doughboy and myself on the technical aspects of this. Unless there is someone out there with a grow better than ours, I think we kinda know what we are doing.
anyways, sounds like a plan physics:jointsmile: We can talk more when ya come this way:joint1::weedpoke: brainstorms are great!

thanks for all the kind words guys..and again CFLs, and T5s are great for what they are, we are just gonna be pure LED until we have this thing perfected;):thumbsup:
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whiskeytango
I'm aware this is an LED grow log.... Hey why you Guys so hostile on this post? You just want people telling you thumbs up great job you rule? The guys MOOD is Confused it was JOKE you know up top by his name I think I'm happy.... LOL Maybe you guys should try to be too. Whats the purpose of LED to provide a perfect light spectrum and keep electric bills down. Which does not exist for veg and flower with LEDS yet. So if you think you are going to get the same results @ HPS Impossible. I will Forget the whole T5 Idea but it would work great while giving you a better yield.. "no street light in House" W/ a good Yield...:thumbsup::thumbsup: To my post;)

please ask any ?'s on proposed lighting and such on that thread

-----this is our Procyon-100 ONLY grow thread. thank you-----
LED growing- An inst. grow log http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/...-grow-log.html
Asshole

[SnSstealth]

I think hes referring to your "current mood"(next to avatar)...lol

wow..speaking of hostile...notice above? we got that point. you could avoid alot of this shit if you would read other posts. we don't ask for accolades by any means. NOR, do we ask to be told it wont work. you say LEDs don't provide a good spectrum or keep electric down? have you read any of this forum? do you see the buds and trichs forming? room is only 300W. what i am saying, is read up and know your shit if you are gonna say something wont work...the pics don't lie. i answered your questions, politely at first..and you were simply asked to take light theory questions...to the light theory thread. for some reason, we like to talk about LEDs and growing with them, in our LED Growing thread. i know, weird i guess. iwill gladly answer any questions you have on my thread in my thread. i am on the theory thread all the time. i will gladly answer any of your questions on light theories there. easy.

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whiskeytango

[physicsnole]

ya i didnt even realize i left my mood on confused. sorry greenleaf!!

What is the cost of this and what is it comparable too

well the cost would be alot, simply because there are thousands of high-power LEDs. i was using it as a comparison to show what we could do. if i ever use that many LEDs i would just but the actual LED chips and make a 10000 LED array (prolly never will though:()

[physicsnole]

i liked your signature when it was bold and took up half the page:jointsmile:

[physicsnole]

i cant believe your room is only pulling 300W with that kind of plant development!!!!! well i can believe it, and i do, its just exciting to think about:rastasmoke:

[apoc04]

First post of the thread answered your question Greenleaf about supp light. "Pure Led" grow. I really don't think anyone was hostile to you. If someone saying "what the fuck do you mean" comes off hostile to you then you my friend just have some thin skin. I maybe new here but I have been on internet fourms for along time and have seen people get flamed much harded for much less. I think Stealth was very kind in the way he said this was an Led thread. If you would have read this entire thread you would have seen many people asking questions other Led it is something that just gets old after awhile but Stealth each time as handled it without being hostile. Thanks for all the hard work Stealth

[GreenLeaf420]

First post of the thread answered your question Greenleaf about supp light. "Pure Led" grow. I really don't think anyone was hostile to you. If someone saying "what the fuck do you mean" comes off hostile to you then you my friend just have some thin skin. I maybe new here but I have been on internet fourms for along time and have seen people get flamed much harded for much less. I think Stealth was very kind in the way he said this was an Led thread. If you would have read this entire thread you would have seen many people asking questions other Led it is something that just gets old after awhile but Stealth each time as handled it without being hostile. Thanks for all the hard work Stealth

My skins a little thicker than you think. It's cool you guys are all tuned up with LED. Just a little quick to get jumped on by others for a post in this fourm. Guys I was discussing advancments which I guess no one is into so Just continue with LED.

[SnSstealth]

i liked your signature when it was bold and took up half the page:jointsmile:

yeah... so did I:wtf:

db:smokin:

[SnSstealth]

My skins a little thicker than you think. It's cool you guys are all tuned up with LED. Just a little quick to get jumped on by others for a post in this fourm. Guys I was discussing advancments which I guess no one is into so Just continue with LED.

....really? i guess we aren't into advancements. we must be real behind the "curve".Must be A LOT of people out there doing what we are.you were suggesting ADDING different lights. that is in no way "advancement". its supplementing.... advancement would be, i dunno...perfect spectrum arrays with pulsing LEDs. something like you might find myself, physics, and opie talking about...you guessed it..in the OTHER THREAD. your not grasping a very simple idea here. you point fingers, tell us we aren't into advancement? I'll toot my horn for a sec and say thats the last thing you can tell us. tell me my buds are too small (inside joke), tell me my plants aren't healthy, but don't say we aren't into advancement.

really getting tired of this shit....if you don't like what i say, get the fuck outta my thread. there, thats hostile for ya...

as far as anyone with interest or intelligent comments, our plants are doing great, day 32 flowering, made some minor trims to get light to lower buds...bottoms of the canopy..25-30" away from the lights, are resinated. I cant fuckin wait!! I am thinking first harvest will be in 3 weeks, then a bigger one at 6 weeks from now. for some reason that giant girl looks weeks ahead, but JH likes to go a lil long, so i may let her go to the second harvest. the BB looks ready to come down now! but don't worry..she won't get chopped early:jointsmile:

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whiskeytango

[netdog]

netdog please see the first link in our signature for your ?. we, snsstealth know nothing about individual LEDs and dont want to. you will get much better info from the posters in that thread. maybe you could read through part of it. i believe they talk about those alot. sorry but this happens all the time.

db:smokin:

Yep I went on over to that thread right after I posted, looks like some really nice info on brewing up a nice light.

I think I'll be looking to build one as soon as I get my current project finished.

[Trainwreck024]

hey snsstealth, got a quick ? about those lights you are useing. would they work if i had one light, with 2 or 4 CFLS on the sides of my grow box. Just to get the other spectrum's the leds dont give off. i want to get just one for now to see how i like it. and sooner or later im going to make my own led light board. with all the suggested NM's ive have read about here. Im just trying to get a good idea of what im doing here with these lights. thanks a bunch.

[GreenLeaf420]

ya i didnt even realize i left my mood on confused. sorry greenleaf!!

What is the cost of this and what is it comparable too

well the cost would be alot, simply because there are thousands of high-power LEDs. i was using it as a comparison to show what we could do. if i ever use that many LEDs i would just but the actual LED chips and make a 10000 LED array (prolly never will though:()

Hey man it's all good...

Physicsnole I actually contacted this guy Roy Welch he works for big big LED company or some shit like that. They will build any diagram you can possibly draw out. After that it is your job to market and patent it. If you don't have a diagram to work off of they charge $90.00 per Hr to have there engineers draw up the sketches.

My reason for contacting him was to possibly jump on this whole LED theory before it really takes off to the next level. Shit there are all types of people selling all diffrent LED lights on ebay stating all weird shit. Who knows if they're true.. LOL He suggested to me to not have there engineers design because of cost. It's still not to late for that maybe with your Knowledge you may want to send in your theory just to see what it would cost to produce. Really they are the largest developers of Led's you can google his name with Leds on it to get his contact Info. If you can not find it I have it that would be great to be selling your shit in HIGH TIMES. Let me know ill get you a good price on the add. LOL Good Luck go for it..

[GreenLeaf420]

hey snsstealth, got a quick ? about those lights you are useing. would they work if i had one light, with 2 or 4 CFLS on the sides of my grow box. Just to get the other spectrum's the leds dont give off. i want to get just one for now to see how i like it. and sooner or later im going to make my own led light board. with all the suggested NM's ive have read about here. Im just trying to get a good idea of what im doing here with these lights. thanks a bunch.

It's your grow log SNSSTELTH ;)

[SnSstealth]

welcome to the forum tranwreck..please direct differant lighting ideas to the first link in our signiture. that is the LED light theory thread. we are an all LED grow thread...
think i may just post this post every 5 posts or so....lol
WT

[DarioT]

Hey, Folks: One of my electronic assembly customers is a Phd.
electrical engineer, and we started last month working on an
adjustable, flexible, and updatable LED lamp...have you guys, or anyone you know, been able to match Halide/HPS production?
We are going to be doing grow trials in L.A. and NoCal in about eight weeks....any input would be appreciated. DarioT.

[StickyIcky3]

Hey, Folks: One of my electronic assembly customers is a Phd.
electrical engineer, and we started last month working on an
adjustable, flexible, and updatable LED lamp...have you guys, or anyone you know, been able to match Halide/HPS production?
We are going to be doing grow trials in L.A. and NoCal in about eight weeks....any input would be appreciated. DarioT.

Ehhh, i dont think they can replicate mh/hps yet.... from what ive read, but there trying?...did u read anything on this thread or u just saw first page and post reply?! lol good info if u re and spend the time...ask your ELEC ENG to do it if u wont :S

[SnSstealth]

thanks sticky;)..took the words outta my mouth. dariot..if you read the whole thread, you might have all the input you want. try the other thread in our signature as well. What are you basing your info on? the high times chart? have you seen pot grown with LEDs. yet? there is alot of info on both thread as to what freq. and such you may need. if you have any questions after reading up, we will gladly answer them. but please post questions in the appropriate thread. thanks for your input and interest in LEDs. good luck to ya:thumbsup:

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whiskeytango

as of now, it looks like we are on par with HIDs. but we wont know till harvest...stick around a few more weeks:jointsmile:

[GreenLeaf420]

Hey, Folks: One of my electronic assembly customers is a Phd.
electrical engineer, and we started last month working on an
adjustable, flexible, and updatable LED lamp...have you guys, or anyone you know, been able to match Halide/HPS production?
We are going to be doing grow trials in L.A. and NoCal in about eight weeks....any input would be appreciated. DarioT.


Ehhh, i dont think they can replicate mh/hps yet.... from what ive read, but there trying?...did u read anything on this thread or u just saw first page and post reply?! lol good info if u re and spend the time...ask your ELEC ENG to do it if u wont :S

Agreed....;) LOL

Although it could be done depending on bulbs price could be very costly to replicate. To duplicate HPS or MH there is still a way to go.

Optoloco Custom LEDs Custom LED assemblies Led manufacturer (http://www.optoloco.com/customleds.html)

You can go here and they will build it for you.. Then there will be engineers telling us if infact it is possible to get the perfect spectrum. They have equipment that is necessary to test all this shit. I guess you can build then send out to have it checked and mesured or just grow.. LOL LOOKING @ there plants 1/2 way finished almost. They still have a way to mature which can be done. My friend just harvested a crop less the 4 weeks ago. 3000 watts 3 1/2 Lbs. Looking @ there equipment and plants I think a good yeild would be 1 1/2 Lbs. It's costly to go led if you spend $1800 on lamps and dont yeild 1 1/2 then thats bad. They will not be ready for large grows anytime soon. Thats just my opinion.

[GreenLeaf420]

:rasta::thumbsup:

[SnSstealth]

i would think 3lb outta 3kw is actually low, remember we are at only 300w. are you talking about an LED grow? how is an engineer not growing pot gonna tell anyone if its a perfect spectrum? perfect for what? anyone can have an IDEA what would be the perfect spectrum. you dont need to be an engineer for that. pshysics or opie aren't engineers? as far as i know...lol physics is already building an array, as is veggii. we appreciate your interest, but thats the second time you have posted to those LED manufacturers. some of the admin. which i am not by the way, might call that flaming, or spamming, not sure what they call it. i would love to see some pics, or a log on this grow your friends did. got any info?

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whiskeytango

[midlifecrisis]

Looking good so far SNS! I just went back and compared your last photos to my last grow...your 4th week of flower looks to have a bit more on the tricome production than mine did :thumbsup:, of course that small of variation could very well be genetics, ferts, ect....I'll take it as a good sign for LED's.

For comparison sakes mine was NLX in soil with 400 watts of fluorescents, 4 weeks veg. Yeah I know most everyone wants to know how LED's compare to HPS, but I'm easy, for me it is looking great so far.....it is looking more likely than not I will be going LED in the near future.....:smokin:

Keep up the good work!

[GreenLeaf420]

i would think 3lb outta 3kw is actually low, remember we are at only 300w. are you talking about an LED grow? how is an engineer not growing pot gonna tell anyone if its a perfect spectrum? perfect for what? anyone can have an IDEA what would be the perfect spectrum. you dont need to be an engineer for that. pshysics or opie aren't engineers? as far as i know...lol physics is already building an array, as is veggii. we appreciate your interest, but thats the second time you have posted to those LED manufacturers. some of the admin. which i am not by the way, might call that flaming, or spamming, not sure what they call it. i would love to see some pics, or a log on this grow your friends did. got any info?

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whiskeytango

really getting tired of this shit....if you don't like what i say, get the fuck outta my thread. there, thats hostile for ya... That's nice..


SPAM don't think so... Just some research..This whole LED started out with NASA and the space program not you

Wow you can't be more of an asshole Stelath YOUR GETTING ON MY NERVES? I'm done with you your blocked.

Your Friends are cool. They sent me REPS for my post on led's Asking me more info buddy.

This whole LED started out with NASA and the space program NOT YOU.

Hey They don't test anything NASA in there advancments? There just a bunch of assholes like you stealth. You know I did do a little resarch on LED and was told they can mesure the light and draw it in diffrent ways. Even thought about possibly designing one. Maybe Ill just back PHYS. Was going to take a trip to Cali to sit with there engineers to see if it's feesable. To run test to reach maximum output.

Ok grow up I'm done with you your blocked.... You can bring a JackAss to water but if he does not drink he is still a JackAss.. LOL anyone want procyons just order and wait 3 days.. BLOCKED

[physicsnole]

how is an engineer not growing pot gonna tell anyone if its a perfect spectrum? perfect for what? anyone can have an IDEA what would be the perfect spectrum.

well honestly I've been thinking about what the "perfect" spectrum should be. and i have a couple of ideas. first, by best do we mean efficiency? or actual absorption? on the high times chart there shows to be pretty much 100% absorption at 425nm and 660nm. thinking about this i started thinking...if we provide only 425 and 660 then most of our light we supply in those two wavelengths, and if the charts are correct, will be absorbed almost 100% , meaning almost almost all of all the light energy we put out will be absorbed by the plants, making the LEDs about 100% PAR (right?). isnt that what we want??? do we really need to hit these other peaks (440,470,642,etc.) or can we just supply these two wavelengths, 425 and 660nm? having more LEDs and colors will reduce efficiency but also increase absorption by the individual pigments. as of now i don't think i could answer these questions. but with some testing i think i can. i will perform a test with 425 and 660 on one or two plants and on another ill try all the peaks, and form there we can compare the results, and hopefully that will tell us if supplying just 425nm and 660nm is just as good (and even more efficient) than providing all the peak wavelengths. as of now 425nm high-power LEDs are not commercially available, so this is one limiting factor. also 660nm high-power LEDs are a new development and still have some improvement. also blue light has more energy than red light, so providing more blue light in the array would mean more PAR or umol/s/m^2. but we still want to keep the light ratio of red to blue right at about 2:1 B:R for veg and 7:2 R:B (something like this) for flowering. I'm starting to think about this whole "peak" wavelength we've been talking about for a while. do the peaks even matter? at 470nm there is about 81% absorption for all pigments and about 77% for chlorophyll b. im just tossing ideas around here. :rastasmoke:

oh fuck wrong thread...sorry SnS!!!

[GreenLeaf420]

really getting tired of this shit....if you don't like what i say, get the fuck outta my thread. there, thats hostile for ya...


That's nice..


SPAM don't think so... Just some research..This whole LED started out with NASA and the space program not you

Wow you can't be more of an asshole Stelath YOUR GETTING ON MY NERVES? I'm done with you your blocked.

Your Friends are cool. They sent me REPS for my post on led's Asking me more info buddy.

This whole LED started out with NASA and the space program NOT YOU.

Hey They don't test anything NASA in there advancments? There just a bunch of assholes like you stealth. You know I did do a little resarch on LED and was told they can mesure the light and draw it in diffrent ways. Even thought about possibly designing one. Maybe Ill just back PHYS. Was going to take a trip to Cali to sit with there engineers to see if it's feesable. To run test to reach maximum output.

Ok grow up I'm done with you your blocked.... You can bring a JackAss to water but if he does not drink he is still a JackAss.. LOL anyone want procyons just order and wait 3 days.. BLOCKED
:jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile:

[Weedhound]

Green leaf you should get your own thread and do this type of thing. Regardless of what you think Stealth has done a LOT of work here......this thread alone is 33 pages and represents their work. You should show some respect just generally but that kind of crap will get you banned anway before long.

[SnSstealth]

i thought you were done with me and blocking me? hate me i don't care,people are repping you, great, your rep is disabled though... just quit flaming my thread. dont post in here anymore if you feel that way...easy actually, i would think. if you wanna talk about relative shit in the thread fine, AGAIN i say, we will all gladly talk about light theories, in the light theory thread.
WT

[GreenLeaf420]

Green leaf you should get your own thread and do this type of thing. Regardless of what you think Stealth has done a LOT of work here......this thread alone is 33 pages and represents their work. You should show some respect just generally but that kind of crap will get you banned anway before long.


WH Thanks for the heads up my man. He just kept attacking weather LED T5 any post "SPAM"?. We are all modern day bootlegers and I agree there should be a certain level of RESPECT. I have not felt that here look back @ all his Quarrels. Well I'm done he is blocked. It's over :jointsmile::jointsmile:

[apoc04]

Hey Stealth what day are you guys on now? I mean total from germ. I see that you posted on Jan 21 that they sprouted but want to ask just to make sure. thanks :thumbsup:

[SnSstealth]

thanks for stoppin in apoc....jan 21 was the sprout date... and today is day 33 flowering.
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whiskeytango

[apoc04]

Cool thanks sould be getting my Procyon in the mail this week then will start my germ. As I remeber you started your Led's high and then moved them down. Would you start lower at the begining of you next grow or stay high then go low again. Was 20 at the begining then 14? Been reading so much on these boards since I got here things are melting together a bit.:stoned:

[ViperC6]

But yea some real :hippy: love for you. This is something I have been wanting to find out about for while and I just felt I had to leave a comment for you. This makes me :computerlove1: every time I see pictures of your buds it makes me believe I could use mainly LED's to get huge flowers. I plan on making a grow that is about closet size using a bunch of led strips and a 1000w HPS w/ Cool Tube. :cool::yippee:

[SnSstealth]

good to hear apoc;)...the guys are quick about sending them out too..i would start them at 16 in. that seems to be the happy spot for the procyons. from what we have seen;)

good to hear viper, the first link in our signature will give you some great info on building LED arrays, part numbers everything. good luck!

:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[veggii]

wuz..up ,, hey I wanna goto the droolzone..heh..heh..cam workin.. snap..snap....heh...heh...heh......:thumbsup:

[cheapguy]

I'm watching you sns i didn't read all the post because i'm lazy
I'm on my first grow and am very interested in LED grows i can't wait to see your final product keep up the good work,your plants look better than mine,we are about the same time into flowering
keep us posted
Later Bro

[SnSstealth]

thanks for stoppin in cheapguy!
pics on tues veggii...unless i get spunky tomorrow and come home from the beach early...hmmm...maybe:smokin:

:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[veggii]

wholly crap I guess I missed the pissing contest!!
Wt,,DB .. no worries their all just jealous of ya'll:thumbsup:
and hurry up and get spunky!!! take em in da mornin for ya go ..

plz..plz...plz...plz...:D

[dgsgandalf]

Hey SNS, maybe you should start a flaming thread ;)

But seriously, lets try to keep this civil. I don't mind scrolling through all the compliments and even some of the off-topic stuff, but i hate seeing all the flaming. I guess i try to make it a policy not to say anything on the web that i wouldn't say to someone face to face, but that's just me...

And regardless of the wave lengths and spectrums and peak whatever, isn't the purpose of this thread to see whether LEDs are a legitimate alternative to HID?

Everyone smoke a joint. You'll feel better, i promise :jointsmile:

[Trainwreck024]

How many lumens does the Procyon release?

[SnSstealth]

sounds great to me gandolf.:thumbsup: dont worry im sure most of it will be erased in the morning when the mods check in.

the real purpose of this thread is to see if a light, being sold on the market as a "grow light", can do what it claims without supp. lights. and weve stated we will supp. w/ LEDs if/when the time comes. I apologize for being short with some, but weve had two months of people telling us were wrong, that we must do this or that or we will fail. we dont want a fight from anyone, truly we dont. this is meant to bring people together so we can see what will happen if you spend your money on a pre-made product.

I'll get a update post together shortly. by the beginning to mid-may we will have full harvest numbers and be able to make a consice, couple of post, thread attached to this one showing the progression and results...if were able to type at that point...lol

:joint1:lit it up and passin it over

bd:smokin:

[SnSstealth]

How many lumens does the Procyon release?

3000-10000 depending on distance. however lumens are not a good way to determine plant growth abilities of LED lighting. lm's are rated by the eyes perception of light, which is basically opposite of a plants absorption spectrum.

thanks for the interest:thumbsup:
db:smokin:

[ORgreen]

Add me to the list of people who joined because of this thread!!!!!!
I've been saving up for a Procyon and really wanted to see someone growing with it first.
THANKS for the great thread and keep up the good work!:thumbsup:
I'm just starting to grow Medical in OR and I cant wait to do it with LEDs!

[SnSstealth]

Hey SNS, maybe you should start a flaming thread ;)

But seriously, lets try to keep this civil. I don't mind scrolling through all the compliments and even some of the off-topic stuff, but i hate seeing all the flaming. I guess i try to make it a policy not to say anything on the web that i wouldn't say to someone face to face, but that's just me...

And regardless of the wave lengths and spectrums and peak whatever, isn't the purpose of this thread to see whether LEDs are a legitimate alternative to HID?

Everyone smoke a joint. You'll feel better, i promise :jointsmile:

shit man, i couldn't have said it better. thats the only point i have been trying to make. thanks for your imput. tomorrow is week 5 flowering. major update then. pics and all veggii..o would do it today, but then what will i say tomorrow?...lol

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whiskeytango

i still love you greenleaf..wanna hug and make up? have our dads make us shake hands? getting tired of once a week now having one of these 30 message long flames..getting redundant, and I am sure admin is tired of cleaning up our thread.

[SnSstealth]

thanks for stoppin in Or...congrats on the med. grow. good luck with the LEDs. Im sure you will be happy with them.
WT

[PopsSoCal]

the bugs dont seem to be getting worse, but there are more of the spotted leaves dying off..and the plants that were hit seem to be vegging again instead of flowering...wierd..just some pre-flowers still, so they are now about 4 weeks behind the other plants...wondering if its worth it to keep them going...opinions?

thanks for the idea pops, but not sure if you answered my question that you quoted...lol

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whiskeytango

Sorry for the confusion hehehe I was a bit buzzed, lol But I was referring to your bug problem if you still have it? I was talking about getting rid of and keeping bugs away. I knew an old hippie back in the day that always kept a piece of cedar wood near his plants... To make it short it suppose to keep bugs/pests away. Just wanted to share that with you all.
Pops:stoned::thumbsup:

[SnSstealth]

thanks pops!! got 2 6x3x1/2" slats in there now;)
now for update....per veggii....y/w man..lol
looks like the pests are gone...maybe the cedar did help..awesome idea, thanks pops. not really wanting to spray them anymore, getting pretty far along in bloom...IMO, these are amazing for 5 weeks flower.
Feeding em today, cutting tiger bloom to half dose cause of our N issue...upping Mg and P 25%...starting cha-ching which is for resin production, heh...imagine that..they will be sappy as hell
ummm...not sure what else to add...they appear to be pretty much done growing vert wise and concentrating on nugs...YAY!!!

thanks for you guys interest
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[physicsnole]

i cant wait to smell these babies

[SnSstealth]

soon my young padawan.....lol
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

What N issue?

[TheFanLeft]

mmmmmm. Man...be careful with all that sticky stuff, you might get caught like a fly in a spider web. That does it...I'm getting some of these so I can cut down on the # of HIDs I got going. not sure I got the ballz to convert 100% yet. (not sure they're making that many yet, :D). Bet 2 of these would replace a 600w very well. 3 would probably replace 2 600s. Probably have to rework the light spacings, but hell, if it's saving me that many kw a month it's sure worth it. Plus you can't really put a price on the extra peace of mind.

Great work you two! Wish i were your neighbor and I'd be stopping by in a few weeks with a pair of scissors in tow. Looks like it's gonna be a spliffy good time.

nice...the folks at indoor aggie will have some extras. sounds like they're shipping this week too. awesome.

tfl

[d4twamp]

DAMNbreak out the mop and squeegie cuz my saliva is rushin like the sacramento river... lol but seriously nice nuggs ... and just keep brushin off them haters like dirt on your sleeve... your grow is far better and more informative then H.T.'s articles on LEDS so once again I applaud and thank you for letting us partake in your grow show.... can't wait for mine to flower, lookin at those ladies makes me want to pull the trigger on mine too... keep it up whiskey and dough


D:S5:

[SnSstealth]

after the 2 flushes WH, i went kinda heavy on the nutes, got greedy, lol...got slight burn, and still treating for that Mg def...spots still there:mad::wtf:...plants still growing good, but i have almost given up trying to figure it out:( gonna spray one more time pyrethin, just in case too
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[DoDoFoShoDoe]

oh my ganja...

[hatch]

Hey, You All, down there in Sunshine State, The Plant's look Great!!!~~~~~

Hey , Ya'll know the Drill by now, Kick the Hater's to the Curb, & Keep On With Your Going On!!!!~~~~& They ( Hater's) don't get the time of the Day!!!~~~~

Keep Her Head Up & It's OK To Take A Whip To Her Ever Now & Then:wtf::wtf::wtf::pimp::pimp::pimp:

[medman12]

Well done sir. Well done.

[roundabout41]

Nice work, those buds look nice and compact even on the lower branches. Right now I am currently growing c99 from female seeds under a Flowerforcer 900 diode led array. I like led's a lot, hardly no hassle. It has been vegging for about 5 months, to which I LST'd back in january and has still managed to stay nice and compact.
There is another forum on the net for their previous generation leds that turned out fantastic but I must say that the creator hasn't kept up as good SnStealth. They got .34 grams per watt, which is not good but he did not train or correctly place the lights. The link Cannabis and Marijuana seeds :: HomeGrown420 - 140w LED Grow (660/630/470/420) (http://www.hg420.com/showthread.php?t=39466&page=1&pp=10&highlight=co2) . Thanks for convincing me to get a couple to flower my lovely lady with. by the way I don't recommend flowerforcer they work great for vegging but not for 470 USD. PEACE

[SnSstealth]

the goddamn spotting!!! i have flushed twice, gave Epsom salt, sprayed down with pyrethin twice...spots still coming. plant is growing, but the spots have always been on only 3 plants!!! never more...the big JH girl, one with all the super frosty nugs, now has spotting on about 40% of plant!! i don't fuckin get it... still can't SEE any pests....

today is week 5 of flowering, and i have NEVER ran into an issue i couldn't resolve. this is driving me fuckin batty...someone help!!

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whiskeytango

i didn't post new spotting pics, cause you can see it in all the pics already, and its the same shit a few pages back with different plant

[DoDoFoShoDoe]

I have a list of deficiencies and toxicity from my hydroponic store, im trying to scan it but my scanner is all muffed up...i read it over and looked for anything about spotting and heres what i found,

CALCIUM
Deficiency: Young leaves are affected first and become small and distorted or chlorotic with irregular margins, spotting or necrotic areas. Bud development is inhibited and root may be under developed or die back. Fruit may be stunted or deformed.
Toxicity: Difficult to distinguish visually. May precipitate with sulfur in solution and cause clouding or residual in tank.


BORON
Deficiency: Stem and root meristems often die. Root tips often become swollen and discolored. Internal tissues may rot and become host to fungal disease. Leaves show various symptoms which include drying, thickening, distorting, wilting, and chlorotic or necrotic spotting.
Toxicity: Yellowing of leaf tip followed by necrosis of the leave beginning at tips or margins and progressing inward. Some plants are especially sensitive to boron accumulation.

COPPER
Deficiency: Young leave may become dark green and twisted. The may die back or just exhibit necrotic spots. Growth and yield will be deficient as well.
Toxicity: Reduced growth followed by symptoms of iron chlorosis, stunting, reduced branching, abnormal darkening and thickening of roots. This element is essential but extremely toxic in excess.

I am unclear if it is any of these deficiencies but i hope itll help you out a little bit..im going to fix my scanner and if upon anyones request i will post the informative paper on here. Sorry if it doesn't spring any clues!

[stinkyattic]

Potassium deficiency from high soil pH. Flush, return it to 6.7, foliar with a complete fert with micros. It won't go away (scarring) but it will stop progressing.

The def charts and guides are linked around here somewhere though... I think in plant problems?

[Weedhound]

I agree.......lower soil ph.........Stealth I found with my plants that fans blowing on them made the K def worse....I think by lowering humidity around the plant. Are these plants being blown on by a fan?

[SnSstealth]

that they are ma'am...and with relatively no heat...maybe stressing more than helping? what would you suggest to fix the K def? all my nutes have plenty o potash...should fixing the Ph also fix the K def?
:Smokebong:
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

Lose the fan directly on them. I'm definitely with Stinky on lowering soil ph....it's the only thing that's similar to my hydro plants with the exact same symptoms...

[stinkyattic]

all my nutes have plenty o potash...should fixing the Ph also fix the K def?Exactly. You HAVE the K, it's just unavailable.

[Weedhound]

I told that damn K to get OFF the cellphone...........and not to brings its phone to work anymore so it would be available for things like this.........:wtf:

[SnSstealth]

LOL...you 2 are funny as hell..thanks again...off to get some Ph down!!

:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

grrrr....local shop outta Ph down!!!! gotta go drive an hour to get it...damn bastards...
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[stinkyattic]

SN... cider vinegar is the cheap emergency substitute. Organic acids aren't as powerful, but for some reason cider vinegar is said to be slightly beneficial to the soil. If you don't have cider vinegar, try lemon juice or white distilled vinegar.

[SnSstealth]

thanks stinky and WH,

he is on his way up there now. I just realllllllllly hope this is the answer. just keep dropping more and more cash into this. cant wait for them to be ready, but im trying. Im at that dilemma point of "why the hell am i paying(when i have the money) someone for a crappy version of whats in my closet?", i dont know.

just......a......few.......more......weeks........ (walks off mumbling to himself)

db:smokin:

[dgsgandalf]

Would lemon juice attract bugs? I'm not suggesting that it does, i'm just asking the question. What concentration would you use of the vinegar to bring down the pH?

[Weedhound]

Stealth I know how it feels to get frustrated....god KNOWS I've been there but you guys actually have an excellent grow going.....this is not a matter of it's perfect or it's shit......your plants can finish with that K def and it won't hurt your yield.........it didn't hurt mine anyway. I got the problem the worst when I grew White Rhino and they finished very heavy.

It's all a matter of tweaking things back and forth......so far you guys have done great so give yourselves a pat on the back.

[gornik]

I agree with weedhound. You can go overboard with concerns that may or may not be all that big of a deal. I've been growing for less than two years and I remember how I'd freak when something was going wrong. Some grows were better than others and none went as smooth as I would have liked. In the end the bud came out looking great and every bit as good as what I would have bought on the street, regardless of what the plants themselves may have endured. It's kind of like being a parent. The first one is a stressful trip. After that things more or less fall into place and aren't as stressful as the first. It's good to stay on top of things but you can overdue the freak outs.

This board answered a lot of the basics (along with a few grow books) when I first started growing. Another thing I've learned is that there are more ways to do something than what some people swear can only be done one way. So as long as your plants don't die outright, you're still in the game.

[SnSstealth]

thanks guys....just got home, got "Get Down"(ph down) and some cal-mag...hope this works....sometimes wonder if trying the LEDs was worth it...I KNOW my HIDs...lol, but hey, someone had to do it...

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whiskeytango

all the directions are for dro!!! never had to change my Ph before..i got a total of 27 gal soil....any ideas on dosage?

[SnSstealth]

aww....Thanks WH!!!

well, shit...there arent any directions period...should i flush with it? or add it to food?...just fed mon, so i won't need to feed till tomorrow or fri...should i pour some in with water today anyway?
dunno this shit...maybe i am TOO old school...lol
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

With what?

[SnSstealth]

thanks WH and gornik,

your words have helped, its just nerves i guess. I know whiskey knows his shit so we will get through:thumbsup:. its just that I(Doughboy) havent ever seen a growing pot plant before this whole plan started, let alone grew anything. so thanks again, this site is the best!

db:smokin:



With what?
"get down" from 2-3 posts back

[Weedhound]

If you're talking about the ph down.........you add it to your water until you get to the ph you want (small amounts unless you bought the ph up as well...it's a pita going back and forth....) then use your water.

TIP:....If you add ferts or ANYTHING else to your water make sure to ph things VERY LAST so you know exactly what the ph is when you use the water.

[SnSstealth]

hey,

could you tell me why the double flush we did in tap water reading 6.5 to 7.0 didnt fix this? Im trying to understand that. does the ingoing ph have to be at 5 or something to bring it down.

sorry but no inst. for dilution and we apparently have a 2 shitty ph testers (strips and a something with probes where your supposed to till the soil 7" down and then make it muddy before you test the soil, fuck that).
thanks,
newb db:smokin:

[dav zap]

Procyon seems good, eh? Your plants and buds look real good.

Are you satisfied? I have an LED thread also - growing

LowRyder2 at ICMAG.com if you want to see. Under grow

diaries, hydro. Congrats on a good grow show.:rasta:

[Weedhound]

Hey you guys are ph'ing your water before you water with it right? And you've done this all along right?

[SnSstealth]

uh........
NOPE
never had a problem with Ph and tap water in soil. maybe its cause i moved, and this city has shitty water. but our TWO Ph testers, (you get what you pay for guys) told us our tap water was at 6.8-7.1...thought we were ok....so since i just fed mon...i took 1gal. of tap water, 1 tsp of Ph Down, and 1tsp cal-mag....getting a better Ph tester, but i gotta wait till mon to get it. (told you guys we weren't rich...lol) so I am gonna monitor till then, adjusting a lil if they dont get better tomorrow or sat when i feed again.

goes to show, that just cause you have been growing a few years, doesn't mean you know everything:thumbsup:

lesson learned,
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

still don't get why it was only 3 plants......

[Weedhound]

If it's the three closest to being blown on by the fan that goes along TOTALLY with what my plants do as well.

[veggii]

hey Wt wot cha doin snapin some pretty in pink??:jointsmile:
hey these guys any good
SENSI SEEDS > CANNABIS SEEDS (http://www.sensiseeds.com/cannabisseeds/1c3.html)

[SnSstealth]

top dollar veggii....but one of the best commercial banks....my JH is from there, mmm, read their description of it.... I would spend money with them gladly, i did actually..lol...you KNOW your getting the right strain going direct....
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[veggii]

The cream of the crops and perhaps the most exquisite ganja you will ever encounter; this strain ranks as the most awarded variety in the history of harvest festivals. Nine awards and counting would be the pinnacle of recognition for any strain, yet Jack Herer manages to go a step further and bears the distinction of being distributed under prescription by Dutch pharmacies as a recognised variety of medicinal-grade cannabis.

Sensiâ??s champagne of strains is named in honour of Jack Herer, author of The Emperor Wears No Clothes Through tireless activism and his landmark book, Jack Herer can take most of the credit for reminding the world that cannabis in all its forms has always been one of humankindâ??s most valuable resources, and that we can literally save the planet with hemp!

The sublime blend of tropical Sativa high and monstrous Indica resin production captured in Jack Herer must be seen and sampled to be believed. At their peak, buds are so thickly smothered with clear trichomes that they appear sugar-frosted or sparkling with dew-drops. This crystal-coating extends to spear-leaves, fan leaves and even to Jackâ??s stems and stalks.

Plants from seed show favourable variation, due to Jack Hererâ??s complex background and delicate balance right at the cusp of Sativa and Indica. Enhanced features from both sides of the family are strongly evident and are expressed in different combinations, allowing growers to select mother plants tailored to their circumstances and tastes.

Three of Jackâ??s four main phenotypes are heavily Sativa-influenced while the fourth has a growth pattern leaning towards Indica - fast-flowering and relatively compact with a dense, expansive, rounded bud structure thatâ??s suited to cash-cropping. Jackâ??s Sativa phenotypes can also produce a good per-metre or per-plant yield when cultivated skilfully, though it is rare for these crops to be sold commercially. Most growers who have watched their succulent, super-sized calyxes swell and mature will be hesitant to sell such buds, and the best Jack Herer is often passed around a select circle of friends - an example of one of those things that money just canâ??t buy.

The trait common to all Jack Herer phenotypes is a dazzling double-edged potency - a stratospheric cerebral high underpinned by a breathtaking body-buzz with seismic power. Smokers should be prepared to feel the earth shake beneath their feet - which can be a very pleasant feeling when your head is firmly in the clouds.
:rasta::rasta::rasta:

[veggii]

one could get lost in that description for a lifetime
I expecislly like the part get ready for the ground to shake! lol

[d4twamp]

I've got to agree with veggii... I got a head change just reading that description of J H, never had it myself but I know a few freinds that have, and they swear it's the best sh*t... and you guys got JH x BB DAMN love to taste and feel them nuggs... keep it up fellas....


hey veggii Z ROCK huh you from the 530

D:S5:

[SnSstealth]

:yippee::jumphappy::woohoo: :giggity:
first time ive gotten to read that! sweeeeeeeeeet!

db:smokin:

[gornik]

Here's an update on Procyon 100 test results from a mainstream slant. Interesting nonetheless. Click on link:

LED Testing - HomeGrownLights.com (http://homegrownlights.com/testing.html)

[dgsgandalf]

I am a huge fan of Jack (the strain and the activist). A good friend of mine who i get most of my top quality bud from gets the Jack from time to time, and he always calls me with a line like, "Hey man, i got some of that Jack Herer. You love that stuff, so i thought i'd let you know."

Jack used to be my 'smoke all day' favorite. Literally, i'd take one rip from the bubbler, and i'd be really high for 2 or 3 hours. I could make one bowl last all day too!

Good stuff...

[thatiger]

Alright thanks for the help. Man this website is b@da$$ lol, i wish oklahoma had Co-op's and what not. ha im like this smiley face right meow :smokin:

[SnSstealth]

I am a huge fan of Jack (the strain and the activist). A good friend of mine who i get most of my top quality bud from gets the Jack from time to time, and he always calls me with a line like, "Hey man, i got some of that Jack Herer. You love that stuff, so i thought i'd let you know."

Jack used to be my 'smoke all day' favorite. Literally, i'd take one rip from the bubbler, and i'd be really high for 2 or 3 hours. I could make one bowl last all day too!

Good stuff...

NIIIIIICE thats what ive been looking for!


"I played golf....I did not get a hole in one, but I did hit a guy and that's way more satisfying. Your supposed to yell FORE, but I was too busy mumbling there ain't no way that's gonna hit him."
- Mitch Hedberg (RIP)

mitch hedberg is high-larious, every stoner needs to hear him. google him and you wont be disappointed.

db:smokin:

p.s. pics momentarily

[SnSstealth]

update.....took a pic with a black sheet of each plant, felt like makin the girls feel beautiful...lol
fed with water only today...read alot of good reviews of the Ph tester we have, so maybe our water is 6.8...who knows...spots seem to be no longer spreading, but we took one of the two sick girls out, since she was now 6 weeks behind....not gonna leave the room empty for one plant....
umm... not too much to say, just some eye candy, so here ya go.

:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

oops...maybe too much flash?....the fourth pic below is the bonsai i decided to flower...didn't get super branchy cause we sent her into flower with the rest of em.

:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[medman12]

mmm. they're looking good.

How tall are the girls now? I thought JH grew taller than what they look in the pictures. Keep up the good work. Almost there.

[SnSstealth]

mmm. they're looking good.

How tall are the girls now? I thought JH grew taller than what they look in the pictures. Keep up the good work. Almost there.

hey medman, :thumbsup:

gotta work but we'll get you some measurements tomorrow. its a jack x BB cross for most of them. we'll be able to check phenotype accurately in 1-2 weeks hopefully.

thanks for stopping by,
db:smokin:

[SnSstealth]

got the beans when i went to amsterdam...JH usually grows taller, but these are crossed with bubbleberry....one is about 37" the rest are around 28-30".
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[daihashi]

oops...maybe too much flash?....the fourth pic below is the bonsai i decided to flower...didn't get super branchy cause we sent her into flower with the rest of em.

:smokebong:
whiskeytango

Damn you and your resin.. if only we could combine like you said.

WONDER TWIN POWERS! ACTIVATE!!!! :thumbsup:

[SnSstealth]

form of.......super NUG!!!
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[daihashi]

form of.......super NUG!!!
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

Shape of INFINITE resin glands!! :stoned:

[d4twamp]

THE TRICHOME LEAGUE OF AMERICA

I wanna be saved...lol

D :S5:

[SnSstealth]

yeah, our version is ran by bluntman and chronic....lol:S3:

:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[denial102]

oops...maybe too much flash?....the fourth pic below is the bonsai i decided to flower...didn't get super branchy cause we sent her into flower with the rest of em.

:smokebong:
whiskeytango

very good looking plants for an LED grow,

Keep up the good work, 40,000 views, says a lot for your excellent efforts. It's about time someone brought home the goods and I think you're almost on the final road there,


Peace,
Denial

[SnSstealth]

thanks D!:thumbsup:
yeah, the views and replies numbers surprised me...Im sure 100-150 of the 900 posts are ours...lol

anything over 1g/w and I am happy...I am thinkin harvest will be spot on with HPS...i usually got about 2oz/plant..these are a little shorter than usual, so I would say 45g/plant...works fine for me, since the whole room pulls less than 400w..

there is DEFINITELY a much higher resin output than HIDs..no doubt about that...

So, ever so slightly less yield, but higher quality works great for me!!! not a cash crop, its medicine, so we are happy:jointsmile::thumbsup:

:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[veggii]

hey WT how bout taking a few pics in the pink!!:thumbsup:

[SnSstealth]

gotcha tomorrow veggii:thumbsup:
WT

[budz4buddy]

a truly revolutionary thread

bravo

i cant help wondering the eletricity cost of this grow so far

[SnSstealth]

thanks budz:thumbsup:
i dont think the electricity cost is even noticeable... the entire room is under 400w...
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[daihashi]

thanks budz:thumbsup:
i dont think the electricity cost is even noticeable... the entire room is under 400w...
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

It's funny, I used to be concerned about electrical costs also, then I realized 400 watts only costs about $30 bucks a month if ran 24 hours a day (which I am on 18/6 or 12/12 so you do the math). LOL :thumbsup:

[oldmac]

SnSstealth;
Nice work with your Procyon grow. Was lurking for awhile then had to join to see your pictures....you two are doing great. What's got me is using one light from start to finish, I can't wait to see how well your buds turn out.
I love the naysayers, LED's don't work yet.....
I'm using LED's for everything but bloom, which I have a "hy-bred" T5/LED combo that seems to be working real good. I also have two Procyon's bolted together, on a light mover that takes care of my mother plants.
Keep on keepin' on.

[SnSstealth]

SnSstealth;
Nice work with your Procyon grow. Was lurking for awhile then had to join to see your pictures....you two are doing great. What's got me is using one light from start to finish, I can't wait to see how well your buds turn out.
I love the naysayers, LED's don't work yet.....
I'm using LED's for everything but bloom, which I have a "hy-bred" T5/LED combo that seems to be working real good. I also have two Procyon's bolted together, on a light mover that takes care of my mother plants.
Keep on keepin' on.

well hello oldmac,

thanks for joining and letting us hear other ways they can be used. it looks like one or two seem to starting to "plump" out the calyxs, still early for that on the rest though. shouldbe interesting for us all.

theyve defiantly proven they can flower(yeah, i said naysayyers...lol)
hopefully well get another light here soon to make a mother chamber as weve got some interesting plans for next time:eek:

aint no stoppin now buddy:joint1:

db:smokin:

[SnSstealth]

almost there.....few of the girls are starting to plump up nice....treated the water to Ph 6.4 to offset the 6.9 and fed with just under normal nutes..took the sick one out today...still was barely flowering...oh well....not much else to say i guess...
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[gornik]

Your plants are looking terrific. I just got my Procyon in the mail today after a two month wait. It's a lot smaller than what I expected. Hard to believe that something that small can turn out buds that look like the ones in your pics.

[SnSstealth]

thanks gornik...congats on gettin your light, it will do ya fine...let us know if you have any wuestions once your ready to start your grow!
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

Looking VERY good there Stealth. :thumbsup:

[the image reaper]

nice work, nice pics :thumbsup:

[daihashi]

almost there.....few of the girls are starting to plump up nice....treated the water to Ph 6.4 to offset the 6.9 and fed with just under normal nutes..took the sick one out today...still was barely flowering...oh well....not much else to say i guess...
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

Hey buddy, no fair! You're buds are getting all plump on me. I'm going to have to deactivate our wonder twin powers. It looks like you're going to do just fine on your own. :thumbsup:


Man those look SOOOOOOOOOOO tastey. :stoned:

[SnSstealth]

thanks guys!!:jointsmile: i cant f-in wait!!!
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[LowkonXC]

Really enjoying this thread. Nice to see your plants are doing OK. I am a Medical Mj patient and CareGiver for 3 years now. A friend has grown with LEDs for 3 years with great success. I started a new LED grow a month ago. I have 1350 LEDs(990 red@650 lw and 360 blu@465 wl) using 130watts total. In my newly built 10' x 10' grow room I have 1k Mhd, 1k Hps, 400 Mhd, 400 Hps, 250 Hps, 75 Hps and many assorted flcs. This is a Hydro setup. I have high hopes for a good harvest this cycle. I plan a continuous grow at all stages so as not to have to buy meds at $385oz. I've been growing off and on for 40 years and sure miss the days of $50lbs and $10ozs. Anyway, good luck, I'll be waiting for your ladies to nug up. Get some good pics.

[gornik]

...I plan a continuous grow at all stages so as not to have to buy meds at $385oz. I've been growing off and on for 40 years and sure miss the days of $50lbs and $10ozs. Anyway, good luck, I'll be waiting for your ladies to nug up. Get some good pics.

I head that about the $10 ozs. I think a lot of younger people nowadays can't believe that you could once buy what now cost $300 or better. It was the Colombians that jacked the price up in the mid 70s. It's never been the same since. Even Mexican brick is around $100 an oz. This is primarily the reason I began growing, to save money and stop dealing with the uncertainty of scoring on the street. Unless you were getting it from someone you knew it was always a risk.

[stinkyattic]

You know what we do with spam around here? lol!
What a sad, transparent attempt at stealing free ad space. Homie, PLEASE.

[SnSstealth]

shit.....thanks your highness!!! didnt mean to repost, guess you saw that when i did...lol wake and bake took me a minute to remember the other 3 posts...
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[veggii]

shame ..shame ..so .. low
Hi all nice looking pics WT.. :D
Hey got a question you maybe can help i need a seed starter soil
as my FF/OC soil is too hot.I only have Lowe's to shop they have the stagreen startermix it says is for starting lawns from seed, it says it has fertilizer in it,will this work ?they have the Gardner Brand stuff like top soil /organic compost would the top soil be fine for starting? sorry to ask in yr log but just driving me crazy
no working there in the garden dept knows crap! help!:jointsmile:

[stinkyattic]

veggii, go to the farmers supply or a garden center for either 'seedling starting mix' or 'promix bx' or 'promix hp'. Lawn starter soil is no good. No added ferts for seedlings, ever!

[Shovelhandle]

of congrats on your letter printed in HT, SnS!

Your log here is really good. Lots of new infomation.

Sho

[hatch]

Are You's Guy's Growing With LED??? Alway's Wanted To Go LED!!!~~~~:thumbsup::stoned::stoned::stoned::stone d::stoned:

[sparkthe0wl]

two insane strains, incredible cross. can't wait to see how these babies turn out, keep us updated with pics! best of luck

[guerillagrowerz]

If you have the ozone generator close to the plants it will cause problems with the leaves. I am giving this information from "Marijuana Horticulture" by Jorge Cervantes. I read earlier that you had a fan and an ozone generator so i am concerned about that in such a small grow space. When the plants are young they do not give much aroma so you probably won't need the ozone generator until you plan to bud. Good Luck

[SnSstealth]

thanks shovel!
um.....we have been flowering for over 5 weeks now guerilla....and the space is 2' x 8', ozone nowhere near plants...hasn't been used yet...thanks for the info pink floyd! we are using cree xlamps too!...and thanks everyone else for the kind words.....:jointsmile:
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[sublime27]

:thumbsup::thumbsup: Great work, cant wait to see the end result!

[SnSstealth]

ok...so today, the plant that had the yellow spots...looked BAD...lots of leaves turning yellow...so i chopped her tops...i know, lil early, but now she is even with the canopy, remember, she was the one that took off and stretched...most of the discoloration was up top...and none of the four tops i cut have grown or added calyxes in about a week...so she has been trimmed down to even size, and Ph downed and cal-mag...again...if she doesn't get better by sat...she is coming out all together...sucks, she would've yielded quite nice...but i am satisfied if i am a weee short on yield with this much more resin production.
all the rest seem to be doing great...took a pic of the chopped girl, and the bonsai as well.

:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[dgsgandalf]

The buds you chopped still look frosty as hell. They should smoke nicely... unless they taste like nutes... which they might...
Let us know!

[SnSstealth]

those are both post chop pics....here are a few of the other plants..bonsai first
WT

[SnSstealth]

thank dg and sublime:jointsmile:
let you guys know later tonight, those four nugs went in the dry box!!! EARLY BIO!!!!!!!!! woot!!!!
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[veggii]

spots!! you ain't joking .. wot happened to her?
call the cannamedics! you can save her!
we can rebuild her, make her faster ,stronger ,better !!
The bonzai is looking sweeet......:jointsmile:

[Weedhound]

Nice looking buds there Stealth.....

now....back to our (lighting :D) program. :)

[DoDoFoShoDoe]

Damn! those plants are looking sooo nice....its kinda hard right now for me to grasp the fact that your LEDs are growing plants so well... good luck with the rest of flowering, i hope your harvest is exquisite! :thumbsup:

[veggii]

so is it dry yet? ..... did ya taste it ?!!! mmmmm....good!
gonna have to get stinkyattic to clean up thread :thumbsup:

[SnSstealth]

definitely a very cerebral high...hits the back of your head first...body gets warm, and the big shit eating grin comes on, the kind you cant wipe off. Not sure if its so heady cause its early, or this cross is gonna be great...transitions to the body well too...

another 10 days tops i would say for the other 2 early plants...3 weeks for the rest.....

:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[GreenLeaf420]

Well same problems on this fourm!!!

Plants are looking good!!:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[SnSstealth]

lol...thanks greenleaf
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

wake and bake with our nug at 9 this morning...let you guys know if its the same as last nights small taste....had a lil bowl last night, but i wasn't sober by any means.
Budz...we are using 3 procyon 100w grow lights. they have 56 Cree Xlamps in each. When we decided to do a PURE LED grow, these seemed to be the best ones to do it with. Can't say I am disappointed at all....lol

:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

grrr...almost dry...4:20 pm fo sho smoke test...heres a few picks of the lil bit we took early to see if this plant will rebound.

enjoy
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[stinkyattic]

I see we have a new user 'procyon100'! If you're in fact a company rep, let me be the first to say DAG, YO. Good work- my hat's off to you folks for finally putting a decent product on the market!

Oh and edit: Nice buds sn. But you knew I approve ;)

[SnSstealth]

i wrote them...guess they checked us out...thought i was lying about 45000 views huh!!!...lol, welcome guys...you already know how i feel about the lights..
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[DoDoFoShoDoe]

nice nuggers sn! lookin so sweet... are you going to cure the buds for awhile or do you think youre going to pick away at them until harvest?
They look irresistible to me :stoned:

Also have you noticed any significant "plumping" on your plants? over the past week of flowering or are they pretty much staying the same and just increasing resin?

Thanks
keep on tokin' on

[SnSstealth]

the rest haven't hit their plump up phase yet...probably a week on 3 of the plants, and 2 weeks on the rest...the one we cut the tops off of was sickly, and i wanted to even the canopy, if its not recovered by sat, Im taking it down... i will definitely be curing most of it...but best believe i will be smoking a lil after it dries...Im not gonna buy more cause its not done curing...
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[physicsnole]

i cannot wait to build you these 660nm supplemental strips:D

[HerbalConfusion]

Glad to see you have an elite to play while enjoying your buds. CoD4 + weed = nothing better :hippy:

[SnSstealth]

ah shit!!!! whats your gamertag herbal? i gets DOWN on some COD4!!!
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[Magoo2003]

So in our opinion you can probebly fit 10 plants/procyon? and with CO2 produce the equivelent of a 600W HID light without CO2? Or the equivelent of a 600W HID light with CO2? Just wondering since u are the only one that has used the lights.

Do you think each procyon can cover a 5x5 space by itself with those 10 plants? Or a 4x4 space?

I looked at indoor agriculture's website and they say they will not have any procyons untill mid june. That sucks i think. Good luck with the next few weeks man i will be watching. :jointsmile:

(I heard something about hightimes magazine doing a grow test with the UFO LED, does anyone have a link to this? cant find it anywhere)

[stickysweetness]

I have seen some procyons on ebay

[SnSstealth]

eh...if you are gonna give me a bad rating (euphoric7) I think it might be kosher to at least tell me why you rate my thread down....just an idea

I just went and checked the procyon on Ebay, and it looks like my picture on there!!!...lol, but the seller is telling everyone to go to greenpinelane.....its starting bid is 300....

:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[kutchc]

Add me to the list of people who have signed up because of your thread. (First post btw)

Awesome grow log SnS! Have been flirting with the idea of growing for some time but the electricity surge for me would have been out of this world (doubling or tripling usage) if used conventional lights. You have renewed my interest.


I have seen some procyons on ebay

I actually just acquired said procyon off fleabay. Time to cancel that account again. Signed up because it was to good of a deal to pass up with the limited supply out there atm.

[stickysweetness]

There is another one on ebay besides the used one you bought. I have seen one go for 725. But the seller repost due to identity fraud by a bidder, it then resold for 650 I believe.
Stealth, I just came across your excellent LED grow last night and read from start to finish. I have 5 procyons on order due in this week and have now got wood:D thanks to your post. Would you have rather seen your test than greenpine on that sellers sale?;)Can be done!

[DoDoFoShoDoe]

Magoo, one procyon covers a 10 sq ft area and i have recently asked about how many plants i could grow with one light, the answer was 3 nice sized plants probably with good side branches or 4 nice colas...perfect for the personals!

[dgsgandalf]

..and definitely add reflection to the floor
whiskeytango

I've actually heard that you're not supposed to put reflectors on the floor. The bottom of the leaves are designed differently from the top and serve different purposes. I'm don't know if it would do any damage (prob not), but it doesn't help much either.

If anyone has any definitive information on this subject, please share!

Peace!

[SnSstealth]

i dunno...i may be wrong..but i have seen lots o people put reflection on the floor, or around the tops of the pots...
WT

[physicsnole]

oh i def still say put reflectors on the bottom.:rastasmoke:

[Magoo2003]

Just ordered the procyon from indooragriculture.com , cant wait till it comes in, might not be till june though.

Is that where you got yours from SnS? just wondering thanks

When are new pics coming out :)? i cant wait to see them keep up the good work

[SnSstealth]

after harvest physics..just got that kicked in the nuts feeling...Indoor Agriculture has the procyons listed at $200.. Not even 6 months after we bought ours for 600 a piece...:wtf:
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[physicsnole]

ya i saw the price drop. ya that sucks for you...but maybe from all ur "advertising" you can convince them to give u a couple...lol

[physicsnole]

when should the last of the bud be harvested?

[SnSstealth]

false alarm all...thats deposit price...lol... WHEW!! scared the shit outta me...i felt like 50000 nelsens from the simpsons pointing at me....HA-HAAAA.....
within 3 weeks physics...may do one of them at night for ya
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[bombdiggity]

wow thats a hell of a back order... 2 MONTHS?

alteast it gives me time to save up :D

[SnSstealth]

these girls are SWELLING...i am so glad we fixed the Ph issue, it only affected 2 girls...these last 5 look way better....heres pics...enjoy

scroll back a few messages pops, just answered that one..:thumbsup::jointsmile:
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

oh yeah, gave the ladies a good haircut this morning for their last 2 weeks...

[physicsnole]

That is beautiful

[Matt Uk]

Well done stealth!
I've been watching this thread from the start and i'm So amazed at what you and procyons' have done!!! (1stpost)

I love the colour of the plants and bud, it looks so fresh and DAMN how did you get snow on those buds indoors? I think in the future when all of the needed and "perfect" light wavelengths have been realised , we are going to be some mutant triffid cannabis BEASTS.

Really am amazed at this procyon, even more excited about refinements and improvments to the L.E.D lighting systems available.
Just wanted to say thankyou for investing in L.E.D, and all the time you put into keeping us updated!
Give this man a couple of FREE procyons'!!!
Can't imagine what you have done for the companies sales and L.E.D interest in general! yes i can, ALOT!!
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

Beautiful looking buds!! :thumbsup:

[SnSstealth]

all APBT..hes my baby...Im gonna change it to show my amer. bulldog too;) thanks for the complements guys...def got plans for trim...and most of those plans are your recipes stinky...lol
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

bio-assay!...woot!
VERY frosty lil bitch she was...upon drying, you can see purple on the underside of the buds and calyxes...quite opposite of the last plant...its a very heavy high, good for pain relief and anxiety. which is great for me! even with losing the labels (DUMBASS:wtf:) i can safely say this one must be one of the 2 extra seeds from buddy...WW and a WR...with the lemony smell, and compact buds...I am leaning with the WW...rhino is alot skunkier from what i am told...either way...shes a damn good medicine:...almost BC lookin, wonder if its nirvanas WW..jointsmile:
attempt some macros here......

and my name is whiskeytango....not sure if it gets more hick than that....its a military nickname for "white trash"...Im from NC, and wouldn't ever call myself "redneck", but i damn sure am a good ole southern boy:thumbsup:hey hatch...."these colors don't run!"...lol
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[dgsgandalf]

and my name is whiskeytango....not sure if it gets more hick than that....its a military nickname for "white trash"...Im from NC, and wouldn't ever call myself "redneck", but i damn sure am a good ole southern boy:thumbsup:hey hatch...."these colors don't run!"...lol
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

Hell yeah! I was born and raised southern, and while i'm not a redneck myself, some of my good friends now and growin up were pretty redneck. I love the South, but i'm pretty moderate, and i plan on moving out to Cali for a while if i get the chance.

And Whiskeytango, sure as shit "these colors don't run!"

Peace guys

[DoDoFoShoDoe]

Buds are looking mighty nice...

[PopsSoCal]

So I think this may answer it? 1 Procyon per 6 plants from start to finish. Is 6 an average? or could it do 8 w/6" pots or would that be over rating it? in a 4'x4'x6.5' grow room?
Sorry had to ask
Pops :stoned: ;)


Hey cture,

We're using 3 Procyon 100's 2'x8' mylar sealed room. There are six 3 gallon pots below each light, 23 total plants (15 in pots 0n the 22nd, other 6 on the 25th) some of which are double potted. Photos on post 50 are from Sunday, I think once a week quite enough at this stage at least. using all Fox farm soils & nutes, plants are a little off due to never using a "rapid rooter" panel before so they went to pots a little early. Otherwise they're running strong. from what I've seen from yesterdays feeding Sundays pics should be nice!!!

Hope that helps in your attacks...lol
Doughboy

[cheapguy]

Those are looking good SnSstealth your going to have some good smoke there, can you share please lol....

[oldmac]

bio-assay!...woot!
VERY frosty lil bitch she was...upon drying, you can see purple on the underside of the buds and calyxes...quite opposite of the last plant...its a very heavy high, good for pain relief and anxiety. which is great for me! even with losing the labels (DUMBASS:wtf:) i can safely say this one must be one of the 2 extra seeds from buddy...WW and a WR...with the lemony smell, and compact buds...I am leaning with the WW...rhino is alot skunkier from what i am told...either way...shes a damn good medicine:...almost BC lookin, wonder if its nirvanas WW..jointsmile:
attempt some macros here......

and my name is whiskeytango....not sure if it gets more hick than that....its a military nickname for "white trash"...Im from NC, and wouldn't ever call myself "redneck", but i damn sure am a good ole southern boy:thumbsup:hey hatch...."these colors don't run!"...lol
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

WT & db;

The buds look great, and you've done a great job.
To me it is hard to believe......one light (or 3) start to finish!

I just might go back to flat lander growing indoors.
Keep on doing good.

[SnSstealth]

thank ya guys!
that should work great pops...remember reflection though
kutch...you need 50 post to post pics...go to photobucket, put them in there, and then put a link in here for us...Im sure physics would appreciate it too!
matt...thanks!!! call up ryan at homegrown and tell him to give us some lights...lol

got the last early plant coming down either tomorrow or fri...let you guys know....the rest, seem to all be the same phenotype of my cross, will be ready together in about 2 weeks...cant wait..
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[daihashi]

My god... your girls have matured into young women since the last time I saw them. Looking good.. you have me thinking of all the perverted things i'd like to do to them. :rastasmoke:

[Greenthing]

SNS those are looking good. I'm curious since these lamps don't generate that much heat could I use mirrors in my closet to help with the lighting of the plants?

I would not use mirrors as i am sure that they absorb light, it's not what you want the light needs to be reflected back on the plants.
Sorry for butting in so please excuse me.

[PopsSoCal]

Those little ladies r looking hot dude, Man I think I can get enough to buy one Procyon, I want all my babies looking that good all the time :thumbsup: :stoned:

[SnSstealth]

So I think this may answer it? 1 Procyon per 6 plants from start to finish. Is 6 an average? or could it do 8 w/6" pots or would that be over rating it? in a 4'x4'x6.5' grow room?
Sorry had to ask
Pops :stoned: ;)

hey Pops,
I think, for our plants needs, their 10 sqft coverage is probably 3.5'-ish by 2.5'-ish so 4' by 4' might be pushing it. later on you could get two, then you would be doing great.
its all good Pops:thumbsup:

greenthing:

I would not use mirrors as i am sure that they absorb light, it's not what you want the light needs to be reflected back on the plants.
Sorry for butting in so please excuse me.

HOW DARE Y...lol...j/k:cool:
yeah its something to do with light getting trapped in the pane of glass.

late
db:smokin:

[SnSstealth]

My god... your girls have matured into young women since the last time I saw them. Looking good.. you have me thinking of all the perverted things i'd like to do to them. :rastasmoke:

:weedpoke::eek:

stay back:Tomcat:

lol
db:smokin:

[Greenthing]

Pheeeeeew only just finished reading all the posts 40 pages wow.
SnSstealth thanks for a great read, and respect for what you have done dare i say to boldly go where no man has gone before.
Good Luck to you all, ;):):thumbsup:

[daihashi]

:weedpoke::eek:

stay back:Tomcat:

lol
db:smokin:

You can't stop our love db... you can't stop it I say!! :stoned:

[apoc04]

Still looking great SnS!!!!!!! Hey SnS after you been around your light for a bit does everything else get a green tent to it or is it just me? I mean I am just checking ph and ppm and when I come out of the room its like an old tv with to much green hehe.

[SnSstealth]

Still looking great SnS!!!!!!! Hey SnS after you been around your light for a bit does everything else get a green tent to it or is it just me? I mean I am just checking ph and ppm and when I come out of the room its like an old tv with to much green hehe.

yeah its really odd for a while. it hasnt gone away but gotten used to it somewhat. DONT walk outside directly after sitting in the light. thought i fell into the sun...lol

db:smokin:

[Opie Yutts]

and my name is whiskeytango....not sure if it gets more hick than that....its a military nickname for "white trash

I always thought whiskey tango was military for W.T., which could mean a lot of stuff. Anyway, according to a lot of people "white" means "trash".

Congrats on the nice harvest. Thanks for showing us what LEDs are capable of, but what's a matter with you guys? Only 40 damn pages so far and 50,000 views. Can't you come up with an interesting thread?

[Opie Yutts]

Got mine today from fleabay. :D Took it apart and snapped some pics.. Could not take it all the way apart due to some technical difficulties, meaning the led light circuit board was glued to the aluminum heatsink so could not pry it off and take a look at the back of the board.

Now... Question is where do I put the pics? Do not see where I can include it here.


I think you need 50 posts before you can put pictures on here. You can always put them in some free image hosting site, then supply a link to them. That would be very much appreciated by myself and several others.

[SnSstealth]

I always thought whiskey tango was military for W.T., which could mean a lot of stuff. Anyway, according to a lot of people "white" means "trash".

Congrats on the nice harvest. Thanks for showing us what LEDs are capable of, but what's a matter with you guys? Only 40 damn pages so far and 50,000 views. Can't you come up with an interesting thread?

welcome back opie:thumbsup: ain't heard from ya in a while...and your right, but our drill sgt called me whiskeytango...accent i guess did it...and i guess we should be able to come up with SOMETHING interesting to talk about...how bout my JH x BB being ready in about 2 weeks....awwww yeah

:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[daihashi]

welcome back opie:thumbsup: ain't heard from ya in a while...and your right, but our drill sgt called me whiskeytango...accent i guess did it...and i guess we should be able to come up with SOMETHING interesting to talk about...how bout my JH x BB being ready in about 2 weeks....awwww yeah

:smokebong:
whiskeytango

Bastard!! I was hoping I'd be done in 2 more weeks but now I'm not so sure :(

[SnSstealth]

i want to be the one..........

[SnSstealth]

who gets to make....!!!!!!!!!

[SnSstealth]

our 1000th post!!!! woo-hoo!!......pics today of the 3rd plant down...the rest look like they will come down together....
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

WHERE'S THOSE PHOTOS??!! :wtf:

[SnSstealth]

here ya go WH!:thumbsup:
single stem...18"...one of the ones had Ph problem...got 10g...:(:mad:..bio-assay on it tonight....

maybe 13-14 days left on the good ones:jointsmile:

[Weedhound]

PARTY AT STEALTHS!!

18 inches....fucking sweet! Good job. :thumbsup:

Edit: How much were you expecting from one plant? I don't see any sign of ph issues at all there....?? That looks like a damn nice bud to me.

Ok....SMALL party at Stealths....:D

[SnSstealth]

i wish, but thanks...18' was the whole plant...LOL...ouch

[SnSstealth]

i wasnt sure...i left 2 plats single stem, and topped the rest...trying to see what the LEDs preferred..i definitely think SOG will be better...none of the plants got above 24"...which bugs me cause they were around 12 when i induced...i was expecting them to be a lil taller to, from the JH...also, its not known for its yeild..the three remaining plants are of the same cross, but seem to be a different pheno, since they are flowering at the same time, while this one started and finished much earlier...the one below is one of the 3 plants that seemed to halt for a week when we were having those issues, the leaves where jacked, but thankfully none of the damage got to the buds...so is 10g actually good for an 18in single stem?
I am POSITIVE it will be an amazing smoke, judging from the frost and the calyx size...perfect 70/30 cross IMO...
but let me stop going on about medicinal value till i smoke it...lol

Basically I am saying if i sacrifice some yeild for potency...I am happy as hell...Its all personal meds, minus some for a few friends of course...
let ya knoe the bio around 7 ish FL time:thumbsup::jointsmile:
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

Any chance we could see a big group photo?

[Weedhound]

And that IS a frosty looking bud.....you should send it to me.....I'll let you know how I like it..... :D Have bud.....will bio-assay.....

[Weedhound]

Oh yeah....sog or scrog.....I've followed Opie's and MVP's grows with it and they REALLY got some great results I thought. Without knowing much about your lights.....despite 40 pages..... I believe they don't penetrate far right? So yeah, stretch things horizontally to get the best effect.

[SnSstealth]

Oh yeah....sog or scrog.....I've followed Opie's and MVP's grows with it and they REALLY got some great results I thought. Without knowing much about your lights.....despite 40 pages..... I believe they don't penetrate far right? So yeah, stretch things horizontally to get the best effect.
LOL...i dont know much about my lights...lol, Db is the tech aspect of that, I just know growing...lol, and from what i can tell, my favorite nice big n bushy, wont work with these lights:(


And that IS a frosty looking bud.....you should send it to me.....I'll let you know how I like it..... :D Have bud.....will bio-assay.....
LOL....preparing teleportation device..:thumbsup:
insta-mail!!!

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whiskeytango

group shot of the remaining ladies? or my lil 10g...LOL its not the size that counts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SnSstealth]

correction! wife of work early...(cant bio without her!) so I am going to get her now....that means a 4:20 bio!!!!! woot!!!!

be back then with description....
wt

[SnSstealth]

huh...seems microsoft makes an herb drier... I set some wet buds behind it and the heated air flow dries it quick as hell! The Drybox 360 :D
db:smokin:

[SyKo]

ok...so today, the plant that had the yellow spots...looked BAD...lots of leaves turning yellow...so i chopped her tops...i know, lil early, but now she is even with the canopy, remember, she was the one that took off and stretched...most of the discoloration was up top...and none of the four tops i cut have grown or added calyxes in about a week...so she has been trimmed down to even size, and Ph downed and cal-mag...again...if she doesn't get better by sat...she is coming out all together...sucks, she would've yielded quite nice...but i am satisfied if i am a weee short on yield with this much more resin production.
all the rest seem to be doing great...took a pic of the chopped girl, and the bonsai as well.

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whiskeytango

I just wanna jump back to this post.It is totally natural for plants to have yellow color leaves at this point.People can say what they want but i would never chop any of my plants that far into flowering it uses engery to repair itself that it should be using for budding.If you do have to chop somthing at least smash the spot you cut the stem so it can heal faster


So after this grow do you think you would have done any better with 2 100w LEDS or not?Any other final thoughts on it? thanks

[SnSstealth]

they were yellowing from def and Ph being too high...did ya get back that far?...lol We were having issues with that plant, and it was on its way out the door anyway... and we are using 3 100w LEDs...so i dont think 2 would have been better... I understand leaves turn yellow at the end...been doing this a few years:thumbsup: but thanks alot for the interest and looking out:jointsmile:

the last 4 plants that were not affected by the imbalances are doing amazing though...will have a group pic of them up tomorrow
WT

[SyKo]

I still say you should of let her finish out,she was what day 43 flower with what 13 days left? but that just me.I been growing for 17 years and i never taken a plant early yet. lol
I'm not sure if i would buy these lights now knowing you used 3.Thier pretty buds but it still looks like a yield i have gotten from CFL's in the past.



You guys and you damn PH problems i have never had a problem with PH, i dont even check it.i guess im just lucky

[SnSstealth]

we used 3....the room wasnt half full, I can have 1kw HID in there, but if there are only a few plants, at 2ft tall, they still wont harvest too much, better if SOG, but still not too much more...and the plants were all 2ft tall and a few 18"....i appreciate your opinion, but Im not selling these lights, so i dont really care if you buy them or not...this was just an experiment to see if LEDs could grow quality nug...It was also a jack herer cross...which is not a good SOG plant yield wise...si strain had something to do with it...
again I am not selling these lights by any means, they were just the best to use for the experiment...I fully appreciate your opinion, but look at all the facts before passing a judgement...
I am satisfied with the results, and thats all that really matters, right?
WT

[SyKo]

i wasnt passing judgement!!!!!!! Jesus christ you people cant even take advice you been growing a few years kid and you think you know it all lol.What happend to this site in the last couple year damn.People been cracking me up on here lately.

ANd for the record I been reading this thread for awhile now the only thing i missed was you was using 3 lights.The Ph problem could or could not of been the problem people online i notice overthink shit.Keep it simple

[SnSstealth]

hey syko,

we believe it was a ph problem as it was visually evident that once we got the correct levels, the next few days showed mass growth( not swelling). i know there were many ideas but that seemed to be the smoking gun.

when harvested 13 days early the main stem would crush flat with the SLIGHTEST pinch. it was dead and hollow and had not been doing any growing for a week.

and i think our "damn ph problem" is the counties fault not ours:thumbsup:



Any other final thoughts on it? thanks



I fully appreciate your opinion, but look at all the facts before passing a judgement...

thats before we pass judgment, we need all the facts. simply stating that the results are not in and were waiting to make any claims until we see how the healthy group weighs out. thats all, this was not an attack :thumbsup:

thanks again
db:smokin:

[SnSstealth]

update!!! These beautiful girls bounced back GREAT...expecting some MUCH better weight from these...thanks again stinks and WH for helping us get theat Ph shit tackled...
1st pic: bonsai-16in tall
2nd pic: 18in tall..topped once
3rd pic: 20 in tall..single stem
4th pic: 24in tall, topped once, with 12in stragler girl hanging out in the pot with her...lol
last pic is a group shot (WH!)

So for the future syko, I understand we have a somewhat low yield..but shit man, the tallest plant is 2ft...what did you expect us to yield?..we take criticism and advice quite well...but dont tell us we did something wrong with cutting an almost dead plant out, and telling me we have weak buds...I for one will take more resinous or more grams anyday...I grow for personal use, not sale. Our Ph was over 7...so I am pretty sure it was our problem. I am sorry you get so upset when someone doesn't like what you have to say...try calming down a bit...kinda wound up for a stoner...
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[BlueBong]

kinda wound up for a stoner...
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

That's half this board, it seems. You had one mod openly fighting with users the other day, you have another mod who's curiously in love with the political status quo for a MJ board mod and can't seem to pass up a good row over the same old political dog-and-pony shit, and almost constant bickering in threads like this. Some seem jealous of your ability to pay for three $600 lights, (even if you couldn't actually afford it normally) while others seem to just be interested in skimming the details so they can post some profound nugget of wisdom and act insulted when it isn't hungrily gobbled up. Sometimes I wonder if this is even a board for marijuana smokers.. or just a place to bitch-fight. I've seen boards dominated by 13 year olds that were far more civil (and had more intelligent and rational discussions) than this place.



Sure.. I've also voiced some pretty toxic opinions lately, too.. but I'd have kept my mouth shut if I didn't have to spew X number of posts just to be able to give a thumbs-up to the occasional useful thread like this one. I'd have been perfectly content to stick to this thread and the perfect LED light thread otherwise. Yeah, I could've posted more in these two threads to run up my post count, but what's the point of cluttering up useful grow threads with 20 posts (that may just get deleted anyway) saying little more than "good job and good luck"? I'm not an experienced grower yet, (what little experience I have is in growing my own food outdoors) so I can't help you with your pH or disease problems, so what else is left?



Now I expect the chorus at this time will be along the lines of "if you don't like it, leave".. which I'll probably end up doing quietly at some point because I'm tired of all the cat-fighting. I've had over 15 years of that shit on the Internet and I've had enough of it. But the usual "don't like it, leave" chorus is just a lame-assed excuse by lazy irresponsible people to avoid doing anything positive with themselves. Why bother to improve ourselves when it's so much easier to just tell other people to fuck off? Anyway, whether I leave or not, I expect the bitchiness and the pissing contests will continue.



If you're cross-posting this grow somewhere else that's a bit less combattive, I'd like to request a repeat of the link to it if you'd be so kind. I think you mentioned it before, but it's getting over 40 pages now and a little hard to skim through in a hurry. We'll probably just let this account rot once your grow is finished. (assuming the truth doesn't hurt the argumentative mods here too much and the account is silenced) All complaining aside, we (both of us reading this) do still appreciate your efforts in this thread and the other LED thread.

I'd have PMed you this, but.. oh yeah, no PMs. Not at my post count, anyway. No idea if it changes, and it's unlikely I'll find out.

Saved a copy of this one, as I'm sure it will magically disappear soon. Sorry to clutter up your thread temporarily, but I've reached my limit with the shenanigans that go on around here.

[Dogznova]

I would say stealth those are the best pics so far by a long shot...Those girls look awsome.. Thanks for doing this.

[gornik]

Your plants look good. I don't think you're into growing for commercial reasons, in which case yield would be a prime concern. And I don't think you're interested in entering your buds in the Cannabis Cup, which would be fun but who needs it. The real pleasure is in the smoking. And that's what it's all about.

[dgsgandalf]

my camera didn't take good closeups, not even good enough to read.


Hey guys, it seems that a lot of people are having trouble taking good close ups. I played with my camera a little (Canon Power Shot S500 Digital Elph, 2-3 yrs old) and i found that the best close up pics i take are with the close up function turned on, zoomed in as much as the mechanical zoom will go (3x in my case), and with the camera from 2-3 feet or more away from what i'm shooting. Try that and see how it works. You'll rarely ever take good pics with the camera only inches away.

Hope this helps!

[SnSstealth]

hey blue,

I wish it was less combative in here too. I dont know why people get upset when you tell them you respect their opinion, but this is what and how weve done, and it gets thought of as an attack.

weve only posted a few pics on other sites. if you check back in a few weeks there will be an update post or possibly another thread showing all our info. dont leave. I hope the infighting has not soured you on LEDs. we need all the help we can get :thumbsup:

thanks,
db:smokin:

[BlueBong]

I'm not soured on LEDs. I'm glad you two have had decent results so far, and I'll contribute my own tests of LEDs when the time is right. (money issues, of course) Maybe not here, but somewhere. I realize you can't post links to most things here, so maybe I'll interrogate the person who recommended this site to me, to see if they have any other active sites.. and hopefully I'll run across your other posts elsewhere, eventually. I probably won't stop reading this place altogether, but I'm at least going to see what options this place has for hiding most of the extraneous crap.

I'm soured on all the bullshit fighting. I could understand if it was mainly just the dead wood hanging out in the political section (now there's a place that needs a shotgun enema and a few smiles rearranged by the butt of a rifle) as if anything they say about their diseased old dog-and-pony show will make a damn bit of difference.. but the general ill will here bleeds over into threads like this seemingly every other day.

Your thread, as useful as it has been, has also been a magnet for people who know everything except for two things: how to read all the posts in the thread, and how to deal with people who don't verbally fellate them for their coughed-up sound-bite "nuggets of wisdom". Well I admit I'm not experienced at growing weed, so I mostly stay quiet in these threads and try to encourage people like you who take a little risk in the pursuit of knowledge until such time as I can close the knowledge and experience gap a bit and help out.

Perhaps if they had more mods here that paid a little more quiet attention to the grow logs (especially active ones like this that are drawing in a lot of new users) instead of constantly posting useless flag-waving bullshit about Insane McCain and Saddam Hussein Obama and Hitlary.. or fighting with the new users..

Again, I'd have done this in PM, if I could've. And no, I'm not doing this for attention. If people here are smart, they'll take the criticism constructively and help improve the place no matter how much it wounds their precious egos. Of course, I doubt it.. but it's a nice thought, right? I expect they'll just keep on wallowing in their own shit and blaming everyone else who can still smell it for what it is.

Sorry for polluting your log further.. but I'm sure this will all vanish soon enough, once they're done playing around. Thanks again for sticking your neck out for the rest of us, when you really couldn't afford it. I know how that feels. My own LED experiments will likely be cobbled together and involving every volume discount I can get my hands on. (although I'll get someone else to do the soldering.. my hands shake too much for prolonged delicate work)

[BlueBong]

While I'm still here: How do you think you'd have done with a squarer room to put all that in? If you had 4x4 or 5x5 to work with, would you have popped the extra $200 (after volume discount) for a fourth light, for example? Is that overkill with those lights? Or do you want things a little off-square for lights that may have a rectangular light pattern? I mean really, the difference between 2'x7' and 4'x4' is only 2 sq. ft...

[zebulon]

verbally fellate :lol5:

[SnSstealth]

While I'm still here: How do you think you'd have done with a squarer room to put all that in? If you had 4x4 or 5x5 to work with, would you have popped the extra $200 (after volume discount) for a fourth light, for example? Is that overkill with those lights? Or do you want things a little off-square for lights that may have a rectangular light pattern? I mean really, the difference between 2'x7' and 4'x4' is only 2 sq. ft...

id say 4'x3' is the widest i could see using 1. if wed had 1 in the room id guess it would cover the middle 4'. the maker claims 10 sq.ft and we covered 15-ish w/ 3. dont know how id layout the 5'x5', 3 w/ one of them sideways possibly. Definitely, if they had the volume discount when i ordered im sure youd be reading the 4 procyon grow...lol:thumbsup:

db:smokin:

[BlueBong]

They didn't have the discount yet? Pisser.

You can add me to the list of people who think this thread should've earned the two of you at least one free light.

[apoc04]

looking good guys. Man not to much longer can't wait anymore hehe.:thumbsup:

[cheapguy]

hey Snstealth looking good how many days are those pics ,looks the same as mine 45 days no red hairs yet and i have had ph problems as well
Looking fine bro

[SnSstealth]

thanks cheap guy....age in the title of that post...lol, they are at day 52 bloom.
WT

[bombdiggity]

1000th reply

nice looking flowers dude :D