Cannabis Capsules â?? A step-by-step guide.

[Flameon]

Part 1 - Acknowledgements and thanks.

Iâ??d like to begin with a big thank you to weedhound and sickpup45 who inspired me to experiment with Cannabis Capsules in the first place, and to Opie Yutts who â??nudgedâ?? me into writing this â??step-by-stepâ?? tutorial for the forums. Cheers guys!

Secondly, Iâ??ve tried to keep this guide as simple as possible, but, as the box says â??Some assembly is requiredâ??, and therefore, this guide might not be suitable for everyone. It needs some ingredients to be measured (with a teaspoon), and the purchase of a few essential (and some optional) items.

Where possible, Iâ??ll include detailed descriptions of everything you might need, where to get it from and roughly how much it might cost etc.

To give you an idea of the unit cost (excluding the price of the weed), if you made 1000 capsules (enough for 1 person to remain high for a year!) the cost would be around $51 or £25 for the ingredients (oil/butter and capsules). Thatâ??s less than $0.05 cents or £0.03 pence each!

Including the cost of the weed (based on an average price of $15 or £7.50 a gram), youâ??re looking at around $1.30 or £0.65 per capsule (for caps made from hash or kief) or $1.90 or £0.95 pence (for caps made from prime bud).

Still reading? OK, here goes:

Hereâ??s what weâ??ll be making.

The following â??step-by-stepâ?? tutorial outlines the tools and techniques needed to convert quantities of bud, hash or keif into tasteless pill capsules that can be swallowed to give a measured dose of potent, active THC to the user.

For simplicity and economy weâ??ll just be using 1 gram of hash or kief (or, one and a half grams of bud) and making it into 12 cannabis capsules, each containing around 0.08 grams of activated THC.
As a guide:
1 capsule can be taken by medicinal users for strong pain relief.
2 capsules will give a regular smoker an intense 4 to 6 hour trip.
3 capsules (experienced tokers only) a 6 to 8 hour plus â??wild rideâ??.

To make larger quantities of capsules simply increase the ingredients pro-rata.
i.e. To make 24 pills just double everything, for 48 double everything again and so on.

[Flameon]

The essential cookery â??Equipmentâ??:

1. A Slow Cooker (see the first picture). Also known as a â??Crock Potâ?? in the States.

Or:

A medium sized pan, a mixing bowl and a lid (see the second picture), and some hot water.

2. A quantity of size 00 Gelatine Capsules. They can be bought from some pharmacies, health food shops or online in quantities of 100+ (see third picture).

3. A teaspoon (hopefully everyone will have one of these).

The essential cookery â??Ingredientsâ??:

Either: 1 gram of good Hashish (not soap bar).
Or: 1 gram of fine grained â??keifâ??.
Or: 1.5 grams of good â??Budâ?? (no stems, no seeds, or pointy leaves).

And: 7 grams (one and a half teaspoons) of Coconut oil or clarified butter*.


The optional cookery items:

A capsule holder to help when filling (see part 3).
A syringe or pipette to fill the caps with a measured dose of oil (see part 3).
A set of accurate measuring spoons (see part 3).


OK, assuming youâ??ve got access to a â??crock potâ?? (or a least a pan and a mixing bowl), and a little â??weedâ??, what else is required?

The other main essential items are the capsules to put your activated mixture in, and (possibly) a few other extras to help in the measuring and filling process, and thatâ??s it.

[Flameon]

The essential items:

Empty pill capsules come in several sizes, the ones I recommend are 00 sized, as the smaller ones are a little fiddly to make and donâ??t hold much, and the bigger sizes are a little hard to swallow.
Also, select only the Gelatine variety not the vegetarian ones as they can leak when exposed to fats and oils.
An internet search for â??empty 00 gelatine capsulesâ?? will no doubt give you a variety of sources. Expect to pay â??roughlyâ?? $3.00/£1.50 per 100.

Ideally, youâ??ll also need a jar (or tub) of Coconut oil, or failing that some clarified butter (or â??Gheeâ?? as itâ??s called in Asian cookery). If youâ??re struggling to find either, donâ??t panic, itâ??s easy to make your own Ghee using ordinary butter (Iâ??ll explain further on).

Coconut oil (solid depending on room temperature) can be bought from some health food shops and other specialist food stores.
Go for the â??extra virgin organic coconut oilâ?? if you can find it, as Itâ??s one of the safest oils to cook with, contains no â??trans fatsâ?? (unhealthy fat), is high in saturated fat, and most importantly is â??digestion friendlyâ?? (unlike certain other monounsaturated or polyunsaturated oils) meaning the THC can be absorbed easily by the stomach and liver, and therefore passed into the bloodstream to do its job without loss of potency.
Expect to pay between $7/£3.50 for a 200 gram jar. Enough for around 336 capsules, plus itâ??ll keep for years in the fridge.

[Flameon]

In addition, there are some items thatâ??ll help in making the capsules easier to measure and fill, but you can get by without them as long as you have a steady hand and some patience. However, for those people who are likely to repeat the process, they are inexpensive to buy and make it much easier and quicker to make regular or larger quantities.

They are:

A) A capsule filler container. The one shown in the picture is a â??Cap.M.Quikâ?? model which holds 50 capsules. Expect to pay around $20/£10 for one.
N.B. Make sure it is sized for 00 capsules.
Typically, if you buy one from ebay youâ??ll be offered it with the capsules bundled together (usually 400/500) for around $40/£20.

B) A syringe or pipette. To siphon off the activated oil and â??injectâ?? into the capsules (the one pictured is a childrenâ??s liquid medicine dispenser and holds exactly 1 teaspoon (5 ml).
For sale in most pharmacies for around $2/£1.

C) An accurate set of measuring spoons (a â??niceâ?? to have). The ones pictured can be used to scrape exactly the right amount of â??solidifiedâ?? Coconut oil or clarified butter out of the jar or tub (assuming itâ??s straight out of the fridge). Once youâ??ve levelled off the spoon, youâ??ll have the precise amount, 5 ml (Useful for dosage control). These can be bought from most household or cookery stores for around $5/£2.50.

[Flameon]

The key to making effective capsules is in the THC extraction process.
In short, the secret is to expose the bud, keif or hash to prolonged, low heat (simmering) in an oil or butter high in saturated fat* in order to thoroughly break down the structure of the resin heads and allow the THC to â??bindâ?? to the fat molecules.
If the temperature is too high, you run the risk of losing potency due to the vaporisation/evaporation of the THC (if the smell is strong, youâ??re doing it wrong). Too low, and you wonâ??t convert the inactive compounds into active, or allow them an opportunity to effectively combine with the oil/butter.

This fat is then added to the capsules, which once swallowed, release the concentrated THC directly into the stomach for maximum absorption into the bloodstream.

*The type of â??short chain fatty acidsâ?? that are found in Coconut oil and Ghee (clarified butter) are excellent conductors of THC, and much easier for the human digestive system to metabolise. Therefore, where possible, go for an oil or butter high in saturated fats rather than monounsaturated or polyunsaturated. Although theyâ??ll still work, much of the potency will be lost, requiring much greater amounts of weed to eaten in order to achieve similar results. As coconut oil is far cheaper than good weed, youâ??re better off investing in a jar.
N.B. 1 gram of weed in a firecracker is good for only one hit, 1 gram in this capsule form is good for about 12.


For a more detailed explanation of how to make Canna-butter and the science and techniques involved, check out my other Cannabis cooking thread:

http://boards.cannabis.com/recipes/137592-cannabis-cooking-made-easy-tutorial-guide.html


To make the capsules weâ??ll be following the exact same procedures, but using smaller amounts of oil/butter. (If you havenâ??t time to read it, donâ??t worry, as everything you need to know is contained within this guide).

[Flameon]

I usually recommend using â??hashishâ?? or â??kiefâ?? over â??Budâ?? when cooking, because it is a quicker and simpler process of conversion, and the effects are (slightly) more predictable. However, if you only have access to â??Grassâ?? donâ??t worry, you can still make them just as easily using the following method.

Grass method:

Due to the difference in THC strength, youâ??ll need to use 1.5 grams of good quality well cured bud in order to match the potency of 1 gram of hash or kief. Firstly, remove any stems, seeds or obvious leaf material* then grind to as small a grain (powder) as you can manage, then just follow the rest of the steps as detailed below.


The Canna-oil Method: If using a Slow Cooker (Crock pot).

The beauty of slow cookers is you can pretty much switch them on and forget about them.
Typically, a slow cooker will have 2 or 3 settings (low, medium and high).
Due to the size of these â??cookersâ?? I recommend placing your oil/butter in a much smaller â??oven-proofâ?? container otherwise itâ??ll just make a thin coating on the bottom of your pan.
In my case I use an eggcup (or a coffee cup when making larger quantities) the shape makes it easier to â??siphonâ?? off the oil and to scrape out the residue.

Simply set the cooker to â??lowâ?? (around 80/90 degrees centigrade), add the ghee/oil and then the hash/kief or bud and leave to slowly simmer for the required time.

1 hour for hash.
1 and half hours for kief.
2 hours for bud.


The Canna-oil Method: If using a Pan and Mixing Bowl

Pour around three inches of boiling water into your cooking pan, then sit the mixing bowl in the water so that itâ??s floating just off the bottom (very important â?? see picture), add the oil or Ghee (clarified butter) to the mixing bowl and let it melt, then add your hashish, kief or powdered bud and dissolve slowly while keeping the lid on and the boiling water just barely simmering beneath.

N.B. Floating the mixing bowl in the water and keeping the lid on prevents â??burning offâ?? the THC which evaporates/vaporises at high temperatures (around 140 centigrade plus). The boiling water keeps the butter/oil at the perfect temperature of around 100 degrees centigrade (boiling point) to slowly â??wringâ?? out every last molecule of â??spacey goodnessâ??!.

[Flameon]

Now that youâ??ve made your concentrated THC saturated oil/butter you need to get it into your capsules.

Firstly, wait for the oil to cool down a little otherwise you run the risk of melting the capsules.
Both the coconut oil and Ghee will remain liquid around the 24 degrees centigrade mark for quite a while, therefore itâ??s easier to add the oil while itâ??s still in this form assuming you have something to draw up the liquid like a childrenâ??s medicinal syringe, pipette or similar.
Just add it in equal measures to the capsules.

Once youâ??ve added even amounts of the oil to your caps youâ??ll need to scrape out and add the residue. Iâ??ve found that the handle of a teaspoon or coffee stirrer is ideal for this process, however if you want to take it to another level you can always purchase a laboratory spatula or spoon like the ones in the picture.

N.B. Depending on whether you used hash/kief or ground bud will dictate how easy this process is. For example hash and kief will be mostly oil with a small residue at the bottom, while ground bud will be more like a paste, and as such hard to draw up in a syringe.
In this case (or if you donâ??t have a syringe), you may want to pour the oil/butter onto a small plate and then put it in the fridge until it sets. Later, using the tip of a sharp knife, cut the butter into twelve equally sized pieces and poke them into the capsules using a chopstick/match etc.

[Flameon]

If using bud, remember â??no stems, no seeds or pointed leavesâ??.
Anyone whoâ??s grown and studied their plant under a x30 jewellerâ??s loupe will be able to describe the microscopic thorns that the pointed leaves are covered in. Even when finely ground, some of these thorns can survive and irritate the stomach lining.

Also (contrary to most advice given about eating cannabis), I donâ??t recommend you take cannabis capsules on a completely empty stomach. Remember, normally when you eat a firecracker or space cake your eating weed that is bound to (and diluted in) some form of food. Therefore by eating something like: a slice of toast, a sandwich or a packet of crisps beforehand, youâ??re preparing your stomach to digest food and thereby activating the gastric juices which will break down your capsules quickly and efficiently.

Any other questions, please feel free to fire back.

[Flameon]

â?¢ The ultimate stealth â??medicationâ??.
â?¢ Highly concentrated form of THC
â?¢ Requires only very small amounts of bud.
â?¢ Great for stealth cooking as the low heat creates virtually no smell.
â?¢ Extremely potent due to the type of saturated fats used.
â?¢ Simpler to make and keep than a firecracker.
â?¢ Incredibly cheap
â?¢ Theyâ??ll blow your tits off â?? Guaranteed!


N.B: Effects will start to â??kick inâ?? after about an hour and a half, and last for around six to eight hours (depending on how many you took). Should you begin to feel overwhelmed you can shorten the â??tripâ?? and reduce its effects by eating sugary foods, or drinking fruit juices rich in vitamin C.


For those people who give it a try, Iâ??d love to hear how you get on.
Hopefully, you can keep this thread alive by posting up your experiences so everyone will get a chance to see them.
Oh yes, and it took me a while to write all this up, so a sticky or any rep donations gratefully accepted lol.

Cheers and enjoy
Flame.

[NLX2007]

Thats freaking awesome. So detailed, a lot of time and effort went into this and I plan to try it ASAP. I'll post my experience. Thankyou very much for sharing.

[Weedhound]

EXCELLENT!! :thumbsup::thumbsup: Flame I tried to rep you for this terrific post but I must have recently.

THANK YOU THANK YOU. :clap::clap:

PRICELESS!!! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Flameon]

Cheers guys!!! :D

I just realised I forgot to mention the obvious:

Coconut oil is actually quite good for you, and 'no smoke' means they're a healthier option!

By the way, one of my friends who regularly tokes and makes firecrackers, tried just one of these capsules recently, thinking he would be 'tolerant' to the effects.
While watching TV in my cinema room, he became so high he had to lie on the floor with his eyes shut because he was convinced he was being 'sucked' into the picture! lol
So take it easy at first if give them a try.

[Weedhound]

Ok....am I so stoned that I missed the info on how to make the clarified butter? Or is that listed in the other tutorial? :confused:

[Flameon]

Hi weedhound

Lol, just testing to see if you were paying attention. You passed!
Have some 'Brownie points'!

N.B. Brownie points were withdrawn as legal tender in 1997, but can be used in exchange for a variety of sexual or domestic favours.
i.e. I would like you to. . . (insert kink here),
or, get me: a cup of coffee, a bottle of beer etc, etc. lol



You can make your own by slowly simmering a pack of regular (ideally unsalted) butter in a pan until all the milk and water content has evaporated (the frothy bit) just leaving a clear golden coloured oil. Let it cool and store in the fridge till you want to use it.

[Weedhound]

Good you were starting to scare me....:D Thanks...:)

[ukmonkey]

you, my friend, are a genious.

I may try but I'd skip the capsules and make me a little bottle of oil. :-)))

[roth89]

freaking awesome i hope i can get my hands on those pill things

[roth89]

did you order those capsules off the internet? I can't find them at any pharmacies or grocery stores or organic stores... bummer can you keep it just in a bottle and take certain amounts or something and how long does it keep?

[tenajtimmad]

if a machine was created to make this process simple then I MIGHT (stretching it) buy it.. sure its better for you, but id rather just pack the bowl.

on the other hand, you are obviously very interested in this method.. your guide is simply amazing. you did it very, very thourogly. Props

keep smoking.. or in your case keep poppin?

[Weedhound]

Ten....packing a bowl and ingesting it are two TOTALLY different ball games.....you don't know what stoned really is until you've eaten some good weed. :eek:

Roth I buy my capsules from Amazon.com. ;)

[roth89]

Ten....packing a bowl and ingesting it are two TOTALLY different ball games.....you don't know what stoned really is until you've eaten some good weed. :eek:

Roth I buy my capsules from Amazon.com. ;)

I definitely agree, ingesting and smoking is much different... thanks weedhound about the capsules... :pimp::pimp: peace

[13Lack]

This is a really cool idea....I can't wait until I get the opportunity to try this myself. I'm definitely going to stop smoking for my health if these things knock me on my ass.

[tenajtimmad]

Ten....packing a bowl and ingesting it are two TOTALLY different ball games.....you don't know what stoned really is until you've eaten some good weed. :eek:

Roth I buy my capsules from Amazon.com. ;)

touche. these capsules might be worth trying after all. i still give you props for it though. :jointsmile:

however, i have eaten some good weed before, on 1 occassion I can specifically remember.. as it was one of the highest times i've been. you are right it def. does make it more of a LONGER stoned sensation. but i kind of like the idea of smoking it for some reason, as i like the various methods of smoking it as opposed to baking it or capsuling it. everyone has their preferences, yours is very unique.

[Aristotle]

Hi weedhound

Lol, just testing to see if you were paying attention. You passed!
Have some 'Brownie points'!

N.B. Brownie points were withdrawn as legal tender in 1997, but can be used in exchange for a variety of sexual or domestic favours.
i.e. I would like you to. . . (insert kink here),
or, get me: a cup of coffee, a bottle of beer etc, etc. lol
Thanks for the two wonderful guides, I can't wait to try both of them after I actually find a good hash connect.

I have a clarification about making your own clarified butter, though. I assume the clear golden oil is the stuff you keep and refrigerate, so do you also use 15g of the liquid? Would a good way of measuring out 15g of this liquid be to place a cigarette cellophane on your digital scale, set it to 0, and then slowly pour the liquid until it reaches 15 grams?

[DSOTM420]

Hey man these are a great idea. I have a question though. How do you think cops would handle these? I mean, lets just say you had a lot in your car and shit...how do you think they would go about weighing it/testing them to see how to "punish" you? Hopefully you see what I'm saying regarding these capsules potential ;). Just wondering how you think the "authorities" would handle these...thanks and great work. :hippy:

[roth89]

Hey man these are a great idea. I have a question though. How do you think cops would handle these? I mean, lets just say you had a lot in your car and shit...how do you think they would go about weighing it/testing them to see how to "punish" you? Hopefully you see what I'm saying regarding these capsules potential ;). Just wondering how you think the "authorities" would handle these...thanks and great work. :hippy:

they would send them to a lab and it would be in the local paper the next day

[DSOTM420]

yeah, you'd be fucked..but I mean how badly. I don't know what they do once they take it..would they be able to tell how much (in weight) was originally used? In the us fines are by quantity, so would they actually be able to test that? Or do you think it would show up as less. If they get you your going away..thats just a risk...but how long is the question.

[Weedhound]

If you had all 12 capsules in your hands when the cops came......you'd be busted with a handful of coconut oil and 1.5 grams of bud. That's all you have ....that's all they can do. ;)

[DSOTM420]

Very Nice! High Five!:thumbsup:


thanks though

[Flameon]

I have a clarification about making your own clarified butter, though. I assume the clear golden oil is the stuff you keep and refrigerate, so do you also use 15g of the liquid? Would a good way of measuring out 15g of this liquid be to place a cigarette cellophane on your digital scale, set it to 0, and then slowly pour the liquid until it reaches 15 grams?

It's only liquid when warm, once its been in the fridge it turns back into a solid form of butter (just more concentrated in saturated fat).

7 grams, is roughly one and a half teaspoons. Add a gram of hash or kief (or one and a half grams of bud) and you'll have exactly the right amount of THC enriched butter/oil for 12 capsules.

Hope that helps.

[Flameon]

If you had all 12 capsules in your hands when the cops came......you'd be busted with a handful of coconut oil and 1.5 grams of bud. That's all you have ....that's all they can do. ;)

Weedhound is bang on!

You can only be charged for the quantity of weed, not it's potency.
Hey, if your quick enough you could swallow the 'evidence' and deny everything!
You'd have about 45 minutes to make it to a place of safety (and order munchies!), just expect the next 48 hours to disappear into a hallucinogenic psychedelic dream though!.

[DSOTM420]

awesome, these are great ideas you've come up with. never thought about swallowing and that would work. I've never heard of anyone overdosing on weed. have you realized the potential of these, have you considered contacting dispensaries about these, that would help so many people. on ebay they sell empty gelatin capsules and a machine that helps fill them. 24 in 2 minutes. just search for 00 gelatin capsules. also what other sizes have you found work, as some people may not want to try and conquer the Goliath that is the 00 size. thanks and keep creating wonderful ideas like this. :thumbsup: :hippy:

[GoldenFerret]

CannabisMD Reports : Marijuana in Capsules (http://cannabismd.org/reports/mjcapsules.php) dunno if you have seen that before or not. im definately going to try this, but i also plan to make hash oil to smoke as well. ive never eaten anything weed related, so i know this will be a new experience, but im always up for learning. for my first time with the hash oil im going to use a pen method for small amounts of weed, that i found here. just enough to smoke a bowls worth or something. but i plan to make around 100 of these capsules, mainly because they would be easier to have on my person. plus at my local headshop, and also at gas stations they sell these keychains that are pill holders, lil metal tubes with a o-ringed cap that screws on for an airtight fitting. each one can hold around 5, in the smallest keychain size.

now, as a semi-experienced smoker (meaning, ive been smoking since i was 9, but ive only ever been able to afford mids, meaning never had anything better than mids) would one of these pills knock me on my ass, considering i smoke roughly an ounce of mids every week? and how many pills would a half ounce of mids make? or should i just buy an 8th of "dank" (if i can find it)? i want to make the pills as powerful as possible, and take maybe 1 every other day, to make then last. how much would these pills effect me, (i weight 180 lbs, im 5'7", 18 years old, with a slow metabolism.

you also said that the high lasts for 6-8 hrs? depending on the person? how many they took? or is that 6-8hrs for just one pill? if so thats awesome haha. anyways, i know ive asked alot of questions and rambles on alot, but if i could get these answers, i can go ahead and try to make these.

on a side note, im trying to get away from smoking. ive smoked cigs and weed since i was 9 (had a very loving brother >_>) and i can tell that i need to quit. i started rolling my own cigs as a way to cut down on them, basically i have to roll one everytime i want one, and im a lazy guy, so ive cut down to about half a pack a day from roughly around 1.5 packs a day. my weed id also like to cut down on, mainly because i smoke alot to get high, and when i physically smoke the weed, it makes me want a cig, which is why i wanna cut down on smoking. would you say that taking these pills would have an added bonus of helping people quit smoking (weed/cigs, due to not ingesting smoke, which could trigger a want of a cig)? even if it isnt id still like to try it.

thanks for the ideas, the wonderful guide, and all the information present. your awesome :).
+rep for you.

[Flameon]

i plan to make around 100 of these capsules, mainly because they would be easier to have on my person. plus at my local headshop, and also at gas stations they sell these keychains that are pill holders, lil metal tubes with a o-ringed cap that screws on for an airtight fitting. each one can hold around 5, in the smallest keychain size.

Hi GoldenFerret and thanks for the kind words.

I've got exactly the kind of holder you describe, but due to the capsule size (00), it only holds one (see picture), still useful to have around though.

The capsules, assuming you follow the extraction method and use something like coconut oil or clarified butter (Ghee), are not just very potent, but deliver the THC undiluted straight to the stomach and bloodstream.

For people who haven't tried eating weed before, just take one for the first time and see how you get on.
I'm 6'5 (an ex rugby player) and take them regularly, but even so, three will knock me on my ass for nine-ish hours (occasionally longer), don't plan on going anywhere anytime soon after taking one. Go for the better grade bud if you can get it, the difference will be noticeable.

Good luck with it and let us know how it goes :jointsmile:

[GoldenFerret]

the only reason i may end up using mids is because i only know one form of dealer for "dro" and they are scum of the earth people who rip off their own mothers, believe me, ive seen it. im currently owed by one of them 5grams of mids, and this is the 6th day. he even sold a bag short to his mom, and she knew it was short. so i may have to use mids, because i can find better people to get it from. is there any way to quicken the process? i dont have any of the materials, so id have to save and buy each first, but how far would 5grams get me if i used it all for the pills. meaning taking 5grams of mids, taking out stems and seeds, grinding up the bud, which would prolly leave me 3.5-4grams of bud. so using the 3.5-4grams of bud, i could make how many pills? and do you suggest smoking any bud beforehand, in order to be high while you wait for them to kick in?

[Flameon]

how far would 5grams get me if i used it all for the pills. meaning taking 5grams of mids, taking out stems and seeds, grinding up the bud, which would prolly leave me 3.5-4grams of bud. so using the 3.5-4grams of bud, i could make how many pills? and do you suggest smoking any bud beforehand, in order to be high while you wait for them to kick in?

Hi again GoldenFerret.


Here's the shortcut method for your circumstances:

Take your 3.5 - 4 grams of finely ground bud, and mix it with 15 grams (three level teaspoons) of: ideally coconut oil, but clarified butter will be fine (see how to make your own in this thread) and simmer it as per the instructions for two hours.

The oil and bud is exactly enough for 24 capsules.

You can buy a bag containing 100 online for about $3.00.

First time you try, don't smoke! When you ingest THC your liver converts the active compounds into a much stronger form of delta9 THC, which will result in strong psychological and physical effects like; euphoria; altered space-time perception; alteration of visual, auditory, and olfactory senses; and appetite stimulation.

In other words, there's a high probability you'll be more f@&ked up than you've ever been before. Once you get used to it however, give smoking a try to prolong the duration.

Hope this helps
Cheers
Flame :jointsmile:

[GoldenFerret]

very helpful indeed, but i didnt see how to clarify the butter, maybe i just overlooked it. thanks for the help!

[Flameon]

No probs. :)

Clarified butter = post number 14 on first page

[GoldenFerret]

ah, didnt see that quote, saw the post tho lol. thanks for clarifing the subject of clarified butter, but ima go with coconut. thanks for the great info and putting up with my question!

[Aristotle]

Sorry, two more questions:

1) If only making about 12 capsules, how do you even begin to divide up the little amount of residue left over from a hash/kief conversion? Is the residue an essential part for each capsule to be strong?

2) How good does the hash have to be? I know I'm not buying soapbar, but at the same time, I'm not living in Morocco or the middle east, and I sure as hell don't have any nederhash or lab hash connections, so at the most, it's decent quality Moroccan hash. Will this still suffice to 12 fairly potent capsules? Perhaps I should use 1.5 grams of this decent hash?

Thanks man!

[thecreator]

Big up yourself man!

[Flameon]

Sorry, two more questions:

1) If only making about 12 capsules, how do you even begin to divide up the little amount of residue left over from a hash/kief conversion? Is the residue an essential part for each capsule to be strong?

2) How good does the hash have to be? I know I'm not buying soapbar, but at the same time, I'm not living in Morocco or the middle east, and I sure as hell don't have any nederhash or lab hash connections, so at the most, it's decent quality Moroccan hash. Will this still suffice to 12 fairly potent capsules? Perhaps I should use 1.5 grams of this decent hash?

Thanks man!

Hi Aristotle and thanks for the interest

I use the handle of a plastic coffee stirrer to scrape up the residue and divide it up between the capsules (I think you can just see it in one of the pictures), it takes me around a minute or two. As to how important it is to add the residue, perhaps I need to experiment with that, as so far, I've always added it just to be sure.

If you're planning on making your capsules using Coconut oil or ghee, I'd stick with just 1 gram of hash. Assuming it's half decent-ish (it doesn't need to be nederhash quality), it'll more than do the job.

The pictures in the guide are from a recent batch of twelve I made using a gram of average Moroccan hash (hence the dark colour of the oil), yet even so, just one capsule was enough to knock a friend of mine on his ass for nearly 5 hours, and he's a regular toker. The three I took had me hallucinating and out of it for around 10.

Generally they're so strong I tend to have to plan very carefully when I take them. i.e. If it's for a Saturday night I'll take them at about 4 or 5 in the afternoon. The full effects will start a couple of hours later and wear off in the early hours, 2 or 3 in the morning.

Anyhow, I hope this helps, and I'll look forward to hearing how you get on.
Cheers :jointsmile:

[Weedhound]

Howdy Flame,

Couple of q's.....if you were to let the stuff cook longer than two hours (i'm using bud and a crockpot) would it hurt your mixture?

Also...if you double your ingredients should you increase the cooking time?

And is there a specific temp you want to reach? In the other capsule thread it talks about cooking the bud at a temp of 300 F.....you are talking much lower.....temps around 212F. Do you know why the big difference in temps?

Thanks for any info Flame. I really LOVE this thread and am getting some coconut oil and will be trying it today. :thumbsup:

[Flameon]

Hi again weedhound and thanks for the questions, there good ones!

To answer the first, the reason for simmering bud for two hours (as opposed to say 1 hour for hash), is purely to allow enough time for the heat to break down the cellular structure of the granular (powdered) plant material, thereby releasing all (or most) of the THC into the oil. With hash, due to the production method, most of the resin heads are pre-crushed before you begin heating it.

Regarding the issue of temperature, that's a tricky one, and is a little bit more subjective, but here goes.
I initially started making my own cannabis capsules after reading 'The New Prescription - Marijuana As Medicine' by Martin Martinez, but wasn't entirely happy with the results or the method described, particularly the temperatures he advocated.

Although the 'boiling' point of THC is around the 200 degree centigrade mark (392 fahrenheit), most experts cite 140 degrees centigrade (285 fahrenheit) as the point that THC begins to evaporate/vaporise, so going beyond this point, even for short periods 'can' affect the potency.
I say 'can' because in some respects the oil acts as a barrier to prevent THC loss by trapping it (some will escape though).

To get even more technical (sorry), here's a guide to what happens to your bud when cooking and at at what temperatures:

a) Between 46 and 50 degrees centigrade (114 to 122 fahrenheit) the inactive THC acid starts to decarboxylate into active THC. (a good thing).
b) At between 50 and 75 degrees centigrade (122 to 167 degrees fahrenheit) the CBD starts to melt (also a good thing).
c) Once you go over 75 degrees centigrade the resin heads start to melt (essential).

The beauty of using a crock pot for this type of cooking is:
firstly, you don't have to watch over it all the time, and secondly, it's a stable, regulated temperature that ensures you get consistent results.

i.e. on a 'low' setting your 'simmering' your bud at around 80/85 degrees centigrade (176 to 185 fahrenheit), which means you'll have converted the inactive compounds into active, melted the resin heads and allowed the THC to bond (at a molecular level) with the saturated fat. But, not 'burned off' any of the THC. Thereby retaining maximum potency.

So, assuming you don't exceed 140 degrees Centigrade, you're fine to cook your bud longer. If it starts to smell strongly however, keep an eye on it.

Lastly, there are some medical and scientific studies that compare the different effects of temperature on the kind of high you'll experience (dependent on the percentage ratios of the CBD, CBN and THC that's left in your oil after cooking), but I'm still working on that element. But as a rule of thumb (for now at least), the lower temperature ranges give more of a head high, the higher temps, more of a sedated, couch lock effect.

God, I hope this makes sense. lol, if not, keep asking.
Cheers

[Weedhound]

Damn Flame you're an encyclopedia on this!! What GREAT info. Once I can rep you again (I've been trying...:() I'm going to rep you about 20 times for this post and all you great information.

THANKS!!!! :thumbsup::thumbsup::jointsmile:

[indicagrower]

i got a question....what happens when bubble gummers that can't handle the high after eating these pills start freaking out and showing up in the ER's all over the country?? do you not think the law will retaliate(sp?) and inpose stiffer marijuana laws

(i'm not riding anyone..just thought it was worth mentioning)

[Weedhound]

Well here's my thought on that. While I strongly applaud Flame for sharing this info.....I seriously doubt that he's the first person in the world to try this stuff and that said info has probably been around for quite awhile. You can in fact search this forum and find TONS of variations of the same recipe going back through here. Why aren't they flooding the ers now?

The information is there. It's BEEN there for quite awhile. With the internet there really is NO excuse not to at least find SOME information on things you want to know. But even before the web etc....mj's and crockpots and cooking with cannabis have been around for years. I'm always amazed that folks walk around completely in the dark about the everything in their world when, with MINIMAL exertion these days .....they could be SO much better informed.

Not riding anyone.....just thought it was worth mentioning.....

[Flameon]

i got a question....what happens when bubble gummers that can't handle the high after eating these pills start freaking out and showing up in the ER's all over the country?? do you not think the law will retaliate(sp?) and inpose stiffer marijuana laws

(i'm not riding anyone..just thought it was worth mentioning)

Hi guys

indicagrower, you make a good point, and it's one that's given me pause for thought previously.

I always try to post responsibly, and have tried to balance the two guides I've put up by including warnings on the likely effects and how to counteract them.

I.E:


N.B: Effects will start to â??kick inâ?? after about an hour and a half, and last for around six to eight hours (depending on how many you took). Should you begin to feel overwhelmed you can shorten the â??tripâ?? and reduce its effects by eating sugary foods, or drinking fruit juices rich in vitamin C.

The reality however, (as you say) is that it's almost impossible to prevent kids from experimenting with drugs, but in defence of this thread, and indeed this website as a whole, it does not promote, endorse or allow postings relating to any other kind of substance.
Certainly not the kind of cheap household items kids can easily get hold of, and harm themselves with today.

Obviously a site aimed at an adult (over 18) audience will, to some extent, attract the attention of minors if they're determined enough, all we can do is try and educate them to behave responsibly and inform on the dangers of cannabis use.

Finally, if they're going to, it's probably better that they eat too much cannabis than try anything else more harmful. After all they'd need to eat least 46 pounds (21 kilograms) in one sitting to do themselves any real harm (if they could afford to buy that much).

[Weedhound]

Flame one other questiion....do you happen to what the temp of the high setting is on a crockpot? Mine has low and high....but no set temps listed in manuel.....right now I'm googling it. I'd love to try something with a bit more of a body stone.....and am wondering if the high setting on the crockpot would be a good temp or too high?

[Flameon]

Hi weedhound

A typical slow cooker operates at 80°C (176°F) on low, to 90°C (194°F) on high. I'd be surprised if your 'high setting' was over this temperature by more than 5°C. So you should be fine.

I've never cooked beyond four hours using this method (I've struggled to find out what, if anything, happens to the THC when cooked for long periods), so I'm going to have to simmer a batch for two hours, remove it, then put half back and cook for a further two hours and compare the difference in effects.

I'd be interested to know how yours goes, especially if you experiment.

Cheers
Flame :thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

Hey Flame...

Ok...ive tried it....twice. Unfortunately I simply cannot get around the capsule filling part. The first time I tried using a syringe to draw up the oil part and ended up spilling ALL the oil and lost it....so made capsules from the residue that was left. So far.....a nice head high, not much body high but I can't make a true judgement from them based on my doing it incorrectly. :(

The second time the oily paste did something to the capsules so that they not only ended up too greasy for the tops to stay on but the oil also created some sort of suction to the capsules so I couldn't get the pieces out at ALL. I lost the entire batch AND my capsule machine which is now full of gooey crud and stuck capsules.

Flame....I love you man. But without another way to store and take these things I'm afraid 3 grams of good bud and a capsule machine is all I'm willing to sacrifice here.

I'm VERY bummed that I'm so stupid I can't get this figured out but I suppose it's par for (my) course. I've thought about putting it on a plate like you said but after 5 hours of cooking I just don't even want to think about it anymore.

Sorry I blew it.....:(

[GoldenFerret]

well weedhound, where you have failed others will succeed. dont be bummed that it didnt work for you, someone soon will have done it successfully and might know the answer to your problems. this friday i plan to go buy the coconut oil and look for the gel caps and machine and all, and will possibly have tried this by either sat or sun, or possibly later based on my search for the gel caps and machine >_>. once ive tried it ill see how it will turn out and if i am successful, ill post on here what i did and how it worked, and if i fail, it will just be another idea to future participants of this quest on how not to do it. i love this tutorial and plan to rep many times in the future :D. thank you for the great tutorial!

[Flameon]

Hey Flame...

Ok...ive tried it....twice. Unfortunately I simply cannot get around the capsule filling part. The first time I tried using a syringe to draw up the oil part and ended up spilling ALL the oil and lost it....so made capsules from the residue that was left. So far.....a nice head high, not much body high but I can't make a true judgement from them based on my doing it incorrectly. :(

The second time the oily paste did something to the capsules so that they not only ended up too greasy for the tops to stay on but the oil also created some sort of suction to the capsules so I couldn't get the pieces out at ALL. I lost the entire batch AND my capsule machine which is now full of gooey crud and stuck capsules.

Flame....I love you man. But without another way to store and take these things I'm afraid 3 grams of good bud and a capsule machine is all I'm willing to sacrifice here.

I'm VERY bummed that I'm so stupid I can't get this figured out but I suppose it's par for (my) course. I've thought about putting it on a plate like you said but after 5 hours of cooking I just don't even want to think about it anymore.

Sorry I blew it.....:(

Oh man, I'm gutted for you weedhound, absolutely GUTTED!

Firstly, next time your in the UK (or Amsterdam when I'm there), I'll personally replace your weed, and that's a promise.

Secondly, don't be discouraged. One thing that's come out of it (for me anyhow) is that we've now learned that the residue should be kept and used. So at the very least you can be congratulated for pioneering that discovery.

Thirdly, I'm going to thoroughly troubleshoot this part of the process so hopefully nobody else will come 'unstuck'.

OK, here goes:

1st Method

Part of the reason for using an egg cup (or small coffee cup etc) to simmer the oil is because the narrow shape means that the oil is a centimetre or two deep with the residue on the bottom.
If the cup is wide you only get a few millimetres depth, and when you try to syphon the oil up in a syringe it blocks with the residue.

When syphoning up, I just barely dip the nozzle in a couple of millimeters and start drawing up the oil, when you get near the bottom it may stick, if it does, squeeze a little oil back in the cup and keep trying. You'll always be left with some that will need to be carefully scraped out.

N.B. The diameter of the 00 capsules is about 7mm so the size of the handle on your coffee stirrer (or whatever your using) needs to be smaller than that so you can dip it straight into the capsule without touching the sides. One of the ideal scrapers that most people will have in their houses is a pen top (see picture) the shape is ideal for scooping up small amounts of oil and residue and tipping it in.


2nd (Alternative) Method

OK, this part is for people who want to try a COMPLETELY different approach. Instead of trying to 'suck up' the oil with a syringe and medicine dropper, you can use a variation of a cake decorating method, whereby you simply pour your (cool, but still liquid) oil into a piping bag and gently squeeze it out through a VERY FINE nozzle* (see pictures).

I've included a variety of pictures to give you an idea of what I'm talking about.
N.B.The critical thing to remember is to go for one with a very narrow nozzle. You don't want your oil running or dripping out before your ready when you pick up the bag, and you need the nozzle to fit inside the capsules so it doesn't go everywhere when you gently squeeze the oil out and into the capsules.
You could put a little sellotape on the end and make a small-ish hole in it with a pin if the nozzle seems to big.

The price of these things run from about $2 up to about $20 (£10) for the 'all-singing-all-dancing' varieties.

D.I.Y Method

If you want to try making your own capsule filling device, take a large-ish 'baggie' or other small plastic bag, pour in your oil, and when your ready to start filling, make a small 'nick' in the corner and carefully squeeze out the contents into your capsules.

I hope this makes sense, I'll try filming the process and posting up the video at a later date if people might find it helpful.


P.S. weedhound, to get the (now solidified) oil off your capsule holder and syringe, use hot soapy water (washing up liquid works for me!).

p.p.s. Was your oil still too warm for the capsules when you put it in?

[Weedhound]

Morning Flame,

First...you are to be completely congratulated on your dedication to this. :thumbsup:

Ok.....I gave it one more try but havent' eaten them yet. No capsule machine so I put the stuff on a plate and it dried BEAUTIFULLY. I completely underestimated how hard (and how PLIABLE (sp?)) the coconut oil would be,.......the stuff is sort of like PLAYDOH
or something.

I will definitely add here....if you can't make the capsule DONT WORRY if you have the coconut oil. It's hard to explain but it holds together excellently when cool....nothing to even SPILL when hardened. I'm sure it would melt if not kept in the fridge (or in a capsule the way you are supposed to) but seriously it worked just fine. :thumbsup:

I just took my first one....easy to swallow (same size as a pill) and no taste. I cooked these on the high setting of my crockpot for 2 hours.....will let you know how they do.

Thanks again for all your help Flame. :)

I shall re-report soon. :D

[Flameon]

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you.

Yeah, the Coconut oil out of the fridge is almost as hard as a bar of chocolate, and tastes and smells pretty good.
My experience is you'll start to feel it in about an hour and a half, it'll then get progressively stronger (in waves) till you peak about three-ish hour after that (about 5 hours after swallowing), with the 'come down' lasting another three-ish hours.

Hey, keep us updated :thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

Howdy,

Ok....I've taken two and feel a pretty mellow buzz but not as couchlock as this stuff usually does me (white rhino). I consider that a plus as the rhino will normally drop my jaw to the floor and leave it there next to my ass on the couch. Nothing along the way of bizarreness.....but a very nice feeling of mellow. I'm about 4 hrs in right now.

Flame....I've eaten mj for quite a while....probably a couple of grams a day sometimes on days off but cooked the way I did in my recipe. . I'm going to make some more of them today (:D!) but how many do you think would cross the line for me? I just took a third one....(they're really cute little blobs on a plate) so we'll see..... I'm really afraid of taking too many and getting sucked into the tv or something :eek:

I have to call success here.....nice and relaxing imo with an edge towards daydreaminess.... The REALLY impressive part is the fact that I am using such small amounts of ganja to accomplish the buzz. :thumbsup:

I will return and give another report later......;)

This coconut oil is COOL STUFF!!

[Flameon]

The REALLY impressive part is the fact that I am using such small amounts of ganja to accomplish the buzz. :thumbsup:

I will return and give another report later......;)

This coconut oil is COOL STUFF!!

I know what you mean :D
Glad you were able to crack it.

Quantities can be a bit tricky, I took three of my current batch on Saturday at 6pm and was still wide awake and tripping at 5am the next day (almost 12 hour later)!!! Whereas, sometimes they're wearing off in the early hours 1 or 2am in the morning (8 or 9 hours later). It's all down to the quality of bud/hash/kief.

I made some using good nederhash a month back that I took on Sunday eve that had me high until Monday lunch time. I had to get someone to drive me to work, where I just stared into space for the first two hours.

You know you've really cracked it when a cup of coffee the next day triggers a relapse.

One last tip, I find that if I have something to eat at around the point I'm starting to come down, about an hour later I'm right back up again at the peak for another hour or so.

Hey, looking forward to reading the full report. :jointsmile:

[Weedhound]

You mentioned hash and keif being more predictable than bud....do you usually use hash yourself?

[Flameon]

You mentioned hash and keif being more predictable than bud....do you usually use hash yourself?

Just lately, because I've been waiting to harvest my own plant, and so haven't bought any bud recently.

The reason for mentioning that hash and kief are 'more predictable' is purely down to the wider percentage margins of THC content found in different types of bud (everything from 5% to 20% - depending on strain and source).

So, for example someone making capsules using mid grade is going to need to take 'roughly' two capsules to get the same effect as someone who takes one made from good bud.

As a rule of thumb though, the THC content of 1 gram of kief/hash is the equivalent to that of 1.5 grams of good bud (once the stems, pointed leaves etc are removed). So, hopefully, the capsules will be as uniform in potency as possible regardless of what they're made from.

So far, my own results have been pretty similar using all three (though I have found the oil made from hash easier to fill the capsules with - less residue).

How's the experience been for you so far?
I hope its gone well! :jointsmile:

[Weedhound]

Hi Flame,

Well...I've had 5 pills total over 7 hours and I'm pretty much where I want to be. The amount of high for the amount of bud used is AMAZING.......probably about 1/5 of the amount to get to about the same place as I usually need BUT with a somewhat less physical drag on the body (but still a NICE body stone) That alone is extremely impressive to me......BUT the easy cooking, storing etc are NOTHING to sneer at either. :jointsmile:

I'm right about at the place in my mind that is perfect for me....very relaxed but not STUPID with a fair amount of body stone and (if not poked at) most likely drifting off with a smile. This is EXACTLY what I was looking for....so HUGE THANKS to Flame for making this very doable recipe. :thumbsup::thumbsup:

These will definitely be my method of choice from now on...could NOT be easier to cook with that crockpot method and I'm pretty sure my next batch (on low) will be more head and less body which is a pretty damn cool selection for only one type of weed.

I've been careful with the amounts I took....waiting for the effect before taking more (as I have made THAT mistake in the past....:() but I can EASILY see that if you took enough you could get P-R-E-T-T-Y stoned off these babies so DO take Flame's good advice and go easy.

GREAT JOB Flame!!!!!

[Flameon]

Weedhound, thank you so much! :thumbsup:

I'm so glad they're working well for you.
I too was very surprised at how strong you could make these things out of just a little bud. Over the last ten years I must have tried virtually every space cake type thing going (I could write a book on the commercial ones available in Amsterdam lol), but so far, not much gets anywhere near the 'bang for the buck' I've had out of these things. :jointsmile:

I'll look forward to swapping tips with you.
Hey, let me know if you try a four hour simmer, as that's something I need to experiment with myself.
Thanks again and cheers :D

[Weedhound]

:stoned: :D

[rhizome]

but how many do you think would cross the line for me? I just took a third one....

Harf!

Famous last words...

[Weedhound]

:D :rasta:

[Weedhound]

I've been reduced to little symbols with my stoniness.....:jointsmile:

[klondike_bar]

cheers to that!

ive gotta get me some hash now! and some capsules! and some oil! and some....wow....

...guess ill smoke some hash while i wait for the ebay delivery truck....lol

[klondike_bar]

hot dog! theres some cool lokkin RED capsules on ebay!

quetion: are 0, 00, and 000 all the same size?

[Weedhound]

No they are all different sizes so whatever size you choose...stick with it. I hope Flame or somebody remembers which is smaller.....I think 0 is small and moves up in size.....don't quote me.......;)

Size 00 is the size usually used by us cannabis pill poppers....:D

[klondike_bar]

ok. cuz theres also size 1...

i havent tried myself, but how difficult is it to open/close the capsules?

i know theres devices to do it, but im curious about by hand...

[Weedhound]

VERY easy to take empty capsules apart.....it's filling the bastards that is such a hellhole. :wtf:

update: my hubby ate two "blobs" last night which equals about 0.15 gm of bud (he usually eats about a 1gm cookie to sleep with) and slept GREAT......says he can still feel it somewhat this afternoon....20 hours later.

I made a new batch of blobs on low....I think I agree with Flame that the low setting works a little better. :thumbsup:

[Coelho]

Hey Flame, do you know if cheese has enough of this "short chain fatty acids"? Ive searched a lot in the internet, but coudnt find a good answer.

[Flameon]

Hey Flame, do you know if cheese has enough of this "short chain fatty acids"? Ive searched a lot in the internet, but coudnt find a good answer.

Hi Coelho, how's it going?

From the studies I've looked at it seems that cheese is generally is very good source of saturated fat, and therefore high in short chain fatty acids (possibly part of the reason your 'weed sandwich' works so well). It does vary quite a bit though, depending on the type of cheese you use.

Ironically, some of the best are the Dutch cheeses: Edam and Gouda, but as a rule of thumb, the hard cheeses seem to score well.

The reason the short-chain fatty acids work so well in Canna cooking is a bit on the technical side, but basically, they don't need to be broken down or emulsified by the 'bile acids' in the stomach, and therefore are absorbed directly into the liver via the portal artery. This means that, unlike the longer chain fatty acids (which require a lengthier and much more complex process), most of what youve eaten gets transferred into the bloodstream (part of the reason that saturated fats are seen as less healthy).

In the case of the longer chain acids, because the process is so much involved a high percentage of THC will have passed 'harmlessly' through the small intestines without being converted.

There are also some studies that claim the 'denser' molecular structure of 'single bond' saturated fats allow for a higher absorption rate of THC, than monounsaturated or polyunsaturated fats and oils, but absolute conclusive evidence of this is hard to come by.

Hope this helps, you'll have to let me know what you have in mind. I'm always up for trying new techniques.

P.S. I've been reading your instructions on 'green dragon' and feel inspired to give it a whirl. It's not something I've tried before, so I'm probably going to have a few questions of my own for you if that's OK?

[Flameon]

VERY easy to take empty capsules apart.....it's filling the bastards that is such a hellhole. :wtf:

update: my hubby ate two "blobs" last night which equals about 0.15 gm of bud (he usually eats about a 1gm cookie to sleep with) and slept GREAT......says he can still feel it somewhat this afternoon....20 hours later.

I made a new batch of blobs on low....I think I agree with Flame that the low setting works a little better. :thumbsup:

Hi weedhound

I'll be following your hubby's example in about 5 minutes (it's almost 5pm here, so I expect them to start kicking in at about 6.30pm, and peaking at around 10pm - hopefully winding down at around 1am). Can't wait to get the stereo on!!

Cheers, and have a good one, flame :jointsmile: :thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

Seat belts people! :D:thumbsup:

[pass_the_dubbie]

Hmm I dunno...



â?¢ Theyâ??ll blow your tits off â?? Guaranteed!
.
Sold! :D

This sounds amazing and very simple to do, as soon as I get some capsules(I think thats all I need to buy...everything else is scattered around me). I look forward to having a nice 'capsulated' high soon :hippy:

[Coelho]

Hope this helps, you'll have to let me know what you have in mind. I'm always up for trying new techniques.

It helped a lot... thanks very much!
What i had in mind was far for anything scientific... i was wishing to get more stoned than usual, and thought about eating weed (or hash oil in my case).
Then, reading your post i learned the reason because your recipe works even with small amounts of weed (the short chain fatty acids). But the only oil i had was soybean oil, which is rich in poliinsaturated fats, and very poor in saturated (the good ones). As the only other source of fat i had was cheese, i thought it could work.
Of course i did weed sandwich several times, but as i always used a LOT of weed, i never knew if the strong effects i felt were due the good absortion of the THC by the cheese, or due the amounts of weed i did use.
As now i have only small amounts of hash oil, i had to be sure that mixing it in cheese would work with small amounts.
So, even without your answer, i did it. I used about 6x the amount i would smoke usually, and get almost as high as if i had smoked. Or rather... the level of higness were almost the same, but the duration were far greater... some 2-3 hours of high.


P.S. I've been reading your instructions on 'green dragon' and feel inspired to give it a whirl. It's not something I've tried before, so I'm probably going to have a few questions of my own for you if that's OK?

Well... it would be VERY unfair if i refused to answer your questions, after this long reply from you... anyway, i have the same pleasure that you have in answering questions, so any questions will be welcome! :thumbsup:

[Charles U Farley]

Hey Flame,

I tried to make some capsules this weekend and Ill give you an update.I used what I had on hand and just made my butter recipe.I figured if I screwed it up I could just make treats:).I have been upping my ratio of butter to weed over the past few months and the strongest I have made up to this point was 3-4 cups of weed/trim/shake to one pound of butter.Fri.night I used 6 cups of weed/trim/shake to one pound of butter.I put in my crock pot (total of 2 lbs butter,12 cups weed/trim/shake) with 10 cups of water and let it cook down for 12 hours.I took one capsule right before I went to bed and it helped me sleep and I was having great dreams.Ill give you an update on how my stuff worked out.The one thing I noticed using almost twice as much weed in my butter was how very very dark green it was,almost a shade or two away from being black/green.

Hey Weedhound,yup I found the capsules to be a pain in the ass to fill as well but I am getting my technique down.I keep the capsules in the fridge and use a sharp knife and shave slivers of butter off and fill it that way.I tried the syringe method but just melted the caps.I still have to watch it though as my fingers will melt the caps as well.

Well more updates later.Hey flame thanks for the great thread...heres your atta boy for the day:thumbsup:.Take care,be well, and most of all be safe.

[Aristotle]

I understand you make them into capsules to help yourself with dosage, and the ability to base your boundaries and experiences on how many you have taken, but if you really wanted to, could you just take an equal liquid portion of the butter oil and just drink it for the same effects?

I don't mean to derail the thread, but I've been reading hashish eating stories all day and my capsules haven't arrived yet. I have a tiny bit of hash left and Im thinking I'll just rearrange the ingredient amounts and chug it before school tomorrow =P.

[Weedhound]

I really think the capsule is just something to put things in. I'm not using the capsules and I just let the stuff harden on a plate (using coconut oil) and I'm sure you can do the same thing with the butter. Or slap it on a cracker or something. :thumbsup:

[Charles U Farley]

Ok,here is my update.Last night I took two of the capsules,made sure I ate something.About an hour and 15 minutes later I felt a slight buzz,and decided I needed to take another capsule.About 15-20 minutes later the first two (I am assuming)slammed me down on the couch and I stayed there the rest of the night.About an hour and half or so later I was having great dreams.

Here is the problem,my stomach was very very upset and if I wasnt so blasted probably would have been very uncomfortable to the point of having a great deal of discomfort.I did eat with the first two and then got the munchies before I took the third.My capsules are essentially my butter recipe (12 cups weed,10-12 cups of water,2 lbs of organic butter).Any thoughts or ideas?If I am going to have problems I usually get heart burn pretty bad sometimes,but I didnt with this,just a really upset stomach,upset and painful almost.Take care,be well,and most of all be safe.

[Flameon]

I understand you make them into capsules to help yourself with dosage, and the ability to base your boundaries and experiences on how many you have taken, but if you really wanted to, could you just take an equal liquid portion of the butter oil and just drink it for the same effects?

I don't mean to derail the thread, but I've been reading hashish eating stories all day and my capsules haven't arrived yet. I have a tiny bit of hash left and Im thinking I'll just rearrange the ingredient amounts and chug it before school tomorrow =P.

Hi aristotle

Weedhound's answer is spot on, once you've made the oil its active and potent, you don't need the capsules to eat it, you could just spread it on toast or eat it in solid form straight out of the fridge. Just be careful if re-heating it not to go too high or you'll vape the THC.
Good luck.

[Flameon]

Ok,here is my update.Last night I took two of the capsules,made sure I ate something.About an hour and 15 minutes later I felt a slight buzz,and decided I needed to take another capsule.About 15-20 minutes later the first two (I am assuming)slammed me down on the couch and I stayed there the rest of the night.About an hour and half or so later I was having great dreams.

Here is the problem,my stomach was very very upset and if I wasnt so blasted probably would have been very uncomfortable to the point of having a great deal of discomfort.I did eat with the first two and then got the munchies before I took the third.My capsules are essentially my butter recipe (12 cups weed,10-12 cups of water,2 lbs of organic butter).Any thoughts or ideas?If I am going to have problems I usually get heart burn pretty bad sometimes,but I didnt with this,just a really upset stomach,upset and painful almost.Take care,be well,and most of all be safe.

Hi Charles, your reaction time sounds just like mine so I'm guessing were of a similar build.
I can predict almost to the minute when the effects start after I've taken these capsules. It's always about an hour and a half, so you possibly 'jumped-the-gun' by about 15 minutes with the third capsule, but it's all a learning process.

However, I don't think that was the cause of your upset stomach though.
I had a similar experience to yours once when making capsules from dried bud.
I mistakenly used some of smaller 'pointed' leaves in the mix, and although I thought they'd be OK I found out later that they're covered in microscopic thorns that can survive the 'grinding' process. These 'thorns' can irritate the stomach lining causing cramp and diarrhea. (particularly if the stomach doesn't have much in it).

I'm guessing, but this might be the cause of the discomfort you encountered. Your canna butter recipe sounds bang on, and clearly the THC extraction worked great.
Two things I was wondering, do you strain the weed out in your recipe, and how do you normally take it, i.e. cakes, biscuits etc?

Hope your feeling better now. Cheers flame.

P.S. I just thought, my own experience has been never to eat anything until the reaction starts to peak (around 4 or 5 hours after swallowing), as on the few times I've done that, I have had an occasional stomach ache as well. I'm not sure what the cause of this might be, maybe the THC effects a slow down of the digestive system? I'll go and see if I can find anything on the net. Anyone else come across this?

[Weedhound]

Love it Charles....:thumbsup:

I've been trying all sorts of stuff and never had a stomach issue but I'm known for a pretty iron stomach.

Flame.....you've cut my ganja use by about 4/5's. Can't thank you enough for that alone. :thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Flameon]

Love it Charles....:thumbsup:

I've been trying all sorts of stuff and never had a stomach issue but I'm known for a pretty iron stomach.

Flame.....you've cut my ganja use by about 4/5's. Can't thank you enough for that alone. :thumbsup::thumbsup:


Hey, does that mean you've got a surplus?
flame holds out cap lol :jointsmile:

[beachguy in thongs]

beachguy holds out barrel

[Weedhound]

I'd be pouring champagne bottles full of caps for you. :D

[Weedhound]

beachguy holds out barrel

THAT is hysterical. :S2:

[zerocool5878]

Ok well I am giving this a shot tonite. I am a little confused on how this could get you that high. I usually do in a crockpot 1/3 cup of coconut oil with 14 grams of good coffee ground bud. I usually simmer on low for like 12 hrs. Then I strain it thru cheese cloth and bake the brownies. The brownies make 16 brownies. 1 brownie gets me pretty rocked and 2 makes me pass out.

Each brownie has about the tch extracted from .8 grams of bud. Now I am using 5 grams of good bud to 1 tbs of coconut oil.

the way I figure it each tab should contain the tch extracted from .2 grams of bud.

Am I wrong. Do you lose some tch from baking it in the oven at 325 for 50 mins?

ALso should I strain the bud out and just use the oil or should I try and divide up the junk amount the capsules?

Thanks

Also I am thinking that I usually simmer the 1/3 cup oil for 12 hrs so should I go ahead and do it for like 4 or 6 hrs or stick with 12?

[klondike_bar]

nice. sounds like a good process with good review. ive got a 1000 gelcap bag and capper in mail now, and i plan to grab some bud or preferably hash this weekend

on the thorn thing: if using bud, are there any methods of capsulizing it better/worse, as well as any way to remove thorns in buds?

[Charles U Farley]

Hey Flame,
After thinking about the sequence of events last night I came to the conclusion that I did not eat enough and what I ate was not good enough to coat my stomach.I am a bit of a light weight so take what I have to say with that in mind.I have never been that blasted off from weed,holy excrement Batman.I mean I could get up and go to the bathroom,get a drink and stuff but I really had to focus to do it.Glad I got my chores done first or the girls would have gone without water/feeding for the night.Im hoping that the stomach thing was just a screw up on my part on not following directions correctly.Each one of my pills weighed just at a gram each.

Flame Ill paste my brownie recipe at the end of this note.Ill also include how I make my butter.Nothing new just that Im an idiot when it comes to how much weed/trim/bud/shake I use.I am feeling better now,thanks for asking Flame.Drank to much coffee this morning to do my radio show as I was still feeling the effects from last night which didnt help.Did I mention how blasted I was,haha.I might measure everything out and see how much I used to make brownies in relation to how much butter in is the pills.Just seems like I hardly scratched the surface of the butter and I made over 30 pills.Ok, here is my recipe and how I make butter,thanks again for this great thread Flame,take care,be well,and most of all be safe.

Blackout Brownie Recipe:
(or as I like to call them, my super stupid brownies)

Butter:

2lbs of butter
10-12 cups of water (add water as the mixture cooks down)
12 cups of trim/shake/buds (the better your trim/shake/buds the better your butter will be, the best butter I ever made was using two whole plants)

There are various methods getting your trim/shake/buds into a form which one can use to make butter. If Iâ??m using a whole plant I pull the buds off and put them into my final bag. The leaves and trim I have left over go into a food processor to make a flour like substance many call canna flour. After running through the food processor, (some folks use a coffee grinder) I then use this for my butter in the crock-pot. I am currently letting the trim dry out at this time but I also think if one just put the whole bag into the freezer right away that might work as well.

Cook on low setting in crock-pot for 12-24 hours. I usually only cook for 12 hours, add water as needed. Very important not to let the mixture cook to far down as the water keeps the cannabis from degrading in the heat. Strain the mixture through a cheese cloth making sure to press out as much of the butter from the leaf material as possible as that is where all the good stuff is locked up. Put in the refrigerator for a few hours and wait for the butter to harden. The butter will solidify on the top, take this out and put in another container and discard the water.

From the shake that I used I got approximately 50 grams per 2 cups which works out to about 600 grams of shake/trim/buds for my recipe. We all know that there are 448 grams in a pound so this works out to 896 grams of butter. This gets us pretty close to a 1:1 ratio of butter to weed. I understand itâ??s a bit impractical for most folks to use over a lbs of weed to make butter but this can be scaled down for your use. I make butter a few times a year with my left over trim that I keep in the freezer.

Note:
You will want to let the mixture cool a bit as you donâ??t want to burn your hands, but you still want the mixture pretty warm so that you are able to press as much of the butter out of the plant material and your cheese cloth as possible. I use the twist and press method right up to the point of tearing the cheese cloth (which often happens). I have used synthetic cheese cloth as its so much cheaper but I prefer working with natural cheese cloth (it does tear a bit easier).

Brownie recipe:

Ducan and Hines chewy fudge brownie mix (I use the two egg variation)

To this add:
1 package of 8oz cream cheese
substitute ¼ cup of cream (half and half) for water as called for in the mix
1 package of swirled caramel and chocolate chips
¾ of a package of Heath pieces toppings
¼ of cup of hot fudge sundae topping
½ cup of caramel sundae topping
¾ cup of melted cannabis butter (recipe calls for ½ cup of oil)

Warm up the cream cheese for 30 seconds in the microwave and cut into the brownie mix. I add two eggs as I like the chewy brownies not the cake like ones. I then add the entire package of caramel and chocolate chips, a ¼ of the package of the Heath topping and then the hot fudge and a ¼ cup of the caramel sundae toppings. Finally I add the melted cannabis butter and mix as directed on the package with the exception being that I use a ¼ cup of cream instead of water . After pouring the mixture into a 13 X 9 pan I sprinkle the rest of the Heath topping over the top of the brownies. I then heat up the caramel topping and drizzle the remainder over the brownies and cook for thirty minutes.

I have experimented with the amount of butter used in my recipes. In the past I have used as much as a full cup of butter. This was probably overkill as I think you hit a point of diminishing returns. A ¾ of a cup mixture seems to be just about the right amount of butter to use. The brownies arenâ??t to greasy and I am not wasting any of the precious butter.


Final recommendation:

In a 9x13 pan I used to cut the brownies into 15 squares. For the most part everyone who had one of these eventually cut them in half and ate them that way as I had reports of some folks still being messed up the next day. So now I cut them into approximately 2x2 (just under) squares and that is just about half the size of what I was doing. Seemed like over kill to have the brownies that big when after eating one folks were only then eating half because of their experiences with these treats. I have been told by long time smokers and brownie consumers that these brownies got them the most messed up they had ever been. A few friends who are medical patients informed us that within an hour and half their pain was gone or substantially subsided without the stomach problems that their doctor prescribed pain medication frequently gives them.

Make sure you are where you want to be in an hour and a half (on an empty stomach, times vary from individual to individual) because when these babies kick in you might have a hard time finding your way back home or to where ever it is you want to be. Works great for joint pain and anything else that is bothering you. Weâ??ve had friends take these late at night (after 11pm) and are still feeling the effects the next morning so this might also be a consideration when consuming these little treats.

[zerocool5878]

ok well I finished. I couldnt imagine not straining the liquid through cheese cloth so I only got 12 pills instaed of 24. Im gonna try these out tomorrow if they work I guess I will try not straining them next time but I would think that they would be weaker as the powder shouldnt have much thc in it anymore so the liquid wouldnt be as strong as it would be diluted with the low thc power by half. But maybe im wrong. I will post reults on Thursday after a few people try them out.

[Flameon]

Ok well I am giving this a shot tonite. I am a little confused on how this could get you that high. I usually do in a crockpot 1/3 cup of coconut oil with 14 grams of good coffee ground bud. I usually simmer on low for like 12 hrs. Then I strain it thru cheese cloth and bake the brownies. The brownies make 16 brownies. 1 brownie gets me pretty rocked and 2 makes me pass out.

Each brownie has about the tch extracted from .8 grams of bud. Now I am using 5 grams of good bud to 1 tbs of coconut oil.

the way I figure it each tab should contain the tch extracted from .2 grams of bud.

Am I wrong. Do you lose some tch from baking it in the oven at 325 for 50 mins?

ALso should I strain the bud out and just use the oil or should I try and divide up the junk amount the capsules?

Thanks

Also I am thinking that I usually simmer the 1/3 cup oil for 12 hrs so should I go ahead and do it for like 4 or 6 hrs or stick with 12?


Hi zero,
Sorry I missed this earlier , I would have liked to have asked a favour regarding your up coming cooking session.

Generally, I only simmer for about 2 to 4 hours, though I have read studies that say cooking for longer periods alters the type of 'high' you experience (It's something to do with how the prolonged heat changes the various pharmacological compounds).
So, I was going to ask if you would do half the mix for say 4 hours, and the other for twelve to see what difference (if any) you saw in the results.
Ah well, never mind I need to run this experiment myself at some point.

The strength issue is an interesting one, when I first started out I was copying recipes given to me by some of the commercial Dutch 'space cake' makers. Generally they range from 0.2 to 0.3 of a gram per product, but, they don't operate the same quality control regulations for 'baked' products as they do for 'over the counter' weed. i.e. some cook with hash, others weed, some strain, some don't, and generally, it's mid grade that gets used (with a few notable exceptions).

So, once I started making my own I noticed a big difference in potency due to using better ingredients.

As a 'rule-of-thumb' I tend to allow around 0.25 of a gram of hash or 0.35 of bud per person when baking cakes etc (for a 6 to 8 hour-ish knockdown), but like weedhound, I've noticed a significant drop in the amount I need in capsule form to achieve the same effect - about .17 of hash or .25 of bud (roughly a third less).

I think this is partly down to combination of things:

1). The method is very efficient (almost none of the THC gets lost because the temp is below the vaporisation point - 285 fahrenheit). 2). Nothing is wasted (don't throw or stain the residue, tests seem to show it helps quite a bit in the potency).
3). Coconut oil is healthy (pretty tasty too), and an excellent THC absorber/transmitter.
4). Lastly, and I think most importantly, it's a concentrated hit (undiluted by a cake or brownie mix etc), and therefore the stomach acids (Digestive enzymes etc) get very little chance to degrade the THC before it passes into the bloodstream.


I hope this helps.

P.S. zero when cooking your brownies, I'd cook them for longer BUT at a lower temperature (under 285 if possible).
50 minutes at 325 is long time to be cooking at over the THC vaporisation point, you'll notice a difference in strength, and your kitchen won't smell so much lol!

P.P.S. I just re-read your ingredient list,"5 grams of good bud to 1 tbs of coconut oil"
This (and not using the residue) is probably why you're a bit light on the final mixture.
You need to allow 1.5 teaspoons of oil (7 grams) per 1 gram of hash/kief or, (in your case) 1.5 grams of bud, so, you need to use 1.5 tablespoons of oil (1 tablespoon = 3 teaspoons).

I'm off to lie down for a bit now
Cheers guys :thumbsup:

[Flameon]

Charles, I absolutely love the sound of that recipe!

I think we should all meet up at weedhound's for a Canna-Cookery masterclass!

You bring the cann-butter, I'll bring a bag of capsules, and weedhound can do the 'baking'! lol
Who's bringing the beer and pizza? :jointsmile:

[Charles U Farley]

Charles, I absolutely love the sound of that recipe!

I think we should all meet up at weedhound's for a Canna-Cookery masterclass!

You bring the cann-butter, I'll bring a bag of capsules, and weedhound can do the 'baking'! lol
Who's bringing the beer and pizza?

Hey Flame,its a date,sounds like fun,woo hoo.Ill try the capsules again this weekend and give you another update.Take care,be well,and most of all be safe.

[4osiris]

Bravo, my friend. Bravo. The Iron Chef of cannibus. It's what's for dinner!

[Weedhound]

Need alot of couches for this party LOL!! :D

Flame I'll pop some on the crockpot and let it sit for six hours and let you know...then I'll try some longer too. ;)

[treefingers]

is 7 oz. of ghee or oil the bare minimum to extract 1.5-2g of bud? and what is the max. amount you could use

[treefingers]

is 7 oz. of ghee or oil the bare minimum to extract 1.5-2g of bud? and what is the max. amount you could use

7 g., not oz., sorry

[Flameon]

Hi treefingers

The reason for 7 grams of ghee/oil is just so you end up with enough mixture to fill 12 capsules.

N.B. If you use hash or kief and oil, you'll have enough mixture to fill each of your 12 caps about 2/3rds of the way up. Or roughly 3/4rs full if you use ground bud and oil.

If you're not making the butter/oil to use in caps you can use more (or even less, but I wouldn't use much less than 7 grams per 1.5 grams of bud).

If I'm just cooking for 'one' I'll simmer 0.3 grams of bud (in an egg cup) with 1/2 a teaspoon of oil (2.5 grams), which, when mixed with a tablespoon of peanut butter, does the job perfectly. Although the taste is a bit 'weedy'. lol

Generally, the cake recipes I tend to use call for about 30 grams of butter per 4 servings (2 tablespoons) which also is fine (again using about a gram and a half of weed).

Hope this helps, what do you have in mind?

P.S. As far as I know (not something I've tried personally) you can just add just enough oil to your ground weed to make a 'paste' and simmer just the same. If anyone has tried this I'd be curious to know how it went.

[Dr.Hashman]

I am going to make an oz of low-mids into caps this weekend :)

I have had success making caps in the past and want to try your method. I used to use a toaster oven set @ 175F and put a candy thermometer in the mix to monitor. I try to keep it around the 175-185 range for about an hour total, stirring it a couple times throughout. I usually do it next to my computer while I play Counter-Strike and mix when I have time.

I'm going to use about 25g of $170/oz buds (I need some to use in the vape while cooking :jointsmile:) to make the caps. I was wondering how much coconut oil to use. Before I've used enough olive to cover the ground bud and make it into a paste (about .48 tablespoons per gram I read somewhere).

What do you guys use to eyeball the amount of oil needed? (probably posted 5 times already but I must of missed it)

[Flameon]

I am going to make an oz of low-mids into caps this weekend :)

I have had success making caps in the past and want to try your method. I used to use a toaster oven set @ 175F and put a candy thermometer in the mix to monitor. I try to keep it around the 175-185 range for about an hour total, stirring it a couple times throughout. I usually do it next to my computer while I play Counter-Strike and mix when I have time.

I'm going to use about 25g of $170/oz buds (I need some to use in the vape while cooking :jointsmile:) to make the caps. I was wondering how much coconut oil to use. Before I've used enough olive to cover the ground bud and make it into a paste (about .48 tablespoons per gram I read somewhere).

What do you guys use to eyeball the amount of oil needed? (probably posted 5 times already but I must of missed it)

Hi Dr Hashman

I just did a quick calculation (but you'd best check my figures, as it's past my bedtime lol).

If you take 25 grams of weed and divide it by 1.5 grams (the amount needed for twelve capsules) you get roughly 16 and 1/2 portions. Making a total of about 198 capsules. you lucky dog!

7 grams of oil per 12 capsules means you'll need about 115 grams in total.
One tablespoon is approx 15 grams, so I think you'll need about 7 and an half tablespoons of oil in total.

Phew, my brain needs rest. Damn this short term memory loss lol.

Hope this helps and good luck with it, the only thing I would watch out for are the serrated leaves in the mix, they can contain microscopic thorns that can irritate the stomach.

Cheers flame :thumbsup:

[Flameon]

P.S. For those kind of quantities you might find something like these useful. :thumbsup:

[zerocool5878]

P.P.S. I just re-read your ingredient list,"5 grams of good bud to 1 tbs of coconut oil"
This (and not using the residue) is probably why you're a bit light on the final mixture.
You need to allow 1.5 teaspoons of oil (7 grams) per 1 gram of hash/kief or, (in your case) 1.5 grams of bud, so, you need to use 1.5 tablespoons of oil (1 tablespoon = 3 teaspoons).

I'm off to lie down for a bit now
Cheers guys :thumbsup:


Ok a little update. I will try and reply to the rest of this when Im not so stoned. I took 1 cap at 5:45pm its 7:45 and flyin!

As for the mixture: u said in post # 36

Take your 3.5 - 4 grams of finely ground bud, and mix it with 15 grams (three level teaspoons) of: ideally coconut oil, but clarified butter will be fine (see how to make your own in this thread) and simmer it as per the instructions for two hours.

The oil and bud is exactly enough for 24 capsules.



anyway maybe im reading it wrong. I will tell you tomm. lol

[zerocool5878]

P.P.S. I just re-read your ingredient list,"5 grams of good bud to 1 tbs of coconut oil"
This (and not using the residue) is probably why you're a bit light on the final mixture.
You need to allow 1.5 teaspoons of oil (7 grams) per 1 gram of hash/kief or, (in your case) 1.5 grams of bud, so, you need to use 1.5 tablespoons of oil (1 tablespoon = 3 teaspoons).

I'm off to lie down for a bit now
Cheers guys :thumbsup:


Ok a little update. I will try and reply to the rest of this when Im not so stoned. I took 1 cap at 5:45pm its 7:45 and flyin!

As for the mixture: u said in post # 36

Take your 3.5 - 4 grams of finely ground bud, and mix it with 15 grams (three level teaspoons) of: ideally coconut oil, but clarified butter will be fine (see how to make your own in this thread) and simmer it as per the instructions for two hours.

The oil and bud is exactly enough for 24 capsules.



anyway maybe im reading it wrong. I will tell you tomm. lol

[DSOTM420]

Finally got our capsules and coconut oil and are in the process of trying this right now.

What we used:

2 g of ground mid quality bud
1 tablespoon of coconut oil

One question, want to make sure we're doing this right, we've put the crock pot on low and placed the coffee cup with the coconut oil in there with the lid on the pot, for now we are letting the oil melt completely and then adding the bud after it has fully become a liquid, is this the correct starting method to let the oil completely solidify? ( my guess is yes but it doesn't hurt to ask :))

Anyways, still waiting on the oil to melt and then we'll add the bud and let simmer for 2 full hours. (It took roughly 5 to 10 minutes to let it completely melt.)

Ok just put the bud in. Another question, is 1 tablespoon of coconut oil in melted form equal to the same amount in the soft/hard form that you scoop out of the jar? (We're not very knowledgeable when it comes to cooking ;) )

Anyways it's now simmering and we'll post later about how it turns out and how we turn out. :)

[Weedhound]

Ok a little update. I will try and reply to the rest of this when Im not so stoned. I took 1 cap at 5:45pm its 7:45 and flyin!

As for the mixture: u said in post # 36

Take your 3.5 - 4 grams of finely ground bud, and mix it with 15 grams (three level teaspoons) of: ideally coconut oil, but clarified butter will be fine (see how to make your own in this thread) and simmer it as per the instructions for two hours.

The oil and bud is exactly enough for 24 capsules.



anyway maybe im reading it wrong. I will tell you tomm. lol

Another satisfied customer......:thumbsup:

[DSOTM420]

Simmering is done and I'm letting it sit in the fridge to cool off. Question to both Flameon and Weedhound (I know I saw something similar here before but not too sure on this): the left over bud residue, I understand to keep it and put it in the capsules, but can it be mixed and eaten with the playdoh balls or should I try to keep it to a minimum amount of residue within the hardened coconut oil ball things? Right now there is hardly any shake type bud in the oil, but there is still some in there. Other than that this went really smoothly and we can't wait to try this!

Thanks to Flameon, Weedhound and everyone else that has already experimented with this capsule/playdoh ball idea! :thumbsup:

Also sorry if we've repeated things already said we're just worried whether its going to turn out ok or not.:)

[Weedhound]

Well my hubby calls them "blobs" but i try to spread everything evenly on the plate both with the residue and the oil (as Flame said...let the oil cool somewhat and it will be more pliable) but grab it before it REALLY hardens. I mentioned to someone that it somewhat has the texture of really soft candle wax or something.

I'm thinking something along the line of a smaller and even shallow dish to pour the mixture in so it will pretty much spread itself evenly and then cut with a knife. I'm still WAY experimenting with that part so if you have another idea....go for it!!

Have fun... :D

[DSOTM420]

I want to make sure that we are talking about the same residue. The stuff I'm thinking is the left over ground bud. I've read somewhere eating weed like that can make you really sick, so we'll try it with just the oil and see how that works.

Thanks again:)

[slightlystoopid27]

ya im a bit confused about this residue cause i didnt see any when i made mine, but then again i froze the oil to let it become its natura form again. but im gonna try some tommorrow and ill tell you guys how it goes.....

[Flameon]

Ok a little update. I will try and reply to the rest of this when Im not so stoned. I took 1 cap at 5:45pm its 7:45 and flyin!

As for the mixture: u said in post # 36

Take your 3.5 - 4 grams of finely ground bud, and mix it with 15 grams (three level teaspoons) of: ideally coconut oil, but clarified butter will be fine (see how to make your own in this thread) and simmer it as per the instructions for two hours.

The oil and bud is exactly enough for 24 capsules.



anyway maybe im reading it wrong. I will tell you tomm. lol

Hi zero, I'm really glad to hear you 'cracked' it!, if your metabolism is anything like mine I bet your feeling very 'mellow' today lol.

By the way, the confusion re the amount of oil is at my end, not yours. With you saying you were going to be using 5 grams I just assumed you were thinking of making 36 capsules not 24, that's why I suggested the extra 7 grams of oil.

Holy cow! I just remembered you packed all that into just 12 capsules, wow, even without the residue it's no wonder you only needed one! :stoned:

Good job and happy 'landings' :thumbsup:
P.S. Would love to hear what sort of 'experience' you had, ie. any: time distortion, intensity of visual or hearing abilities, munchies etc. Also, forgot to ask how long did you simmer for?

[Flameon]

Hi DSOTM420


Finally got our capsules and coconut oil and are in the process of trying this right now.

What we used:

2 g of ground mid quality bud
1 tablespoon of coconut oil

Sounds bang on, but with you using 1 tablespoon of oil (14/15 grams), are you planning to make 24 capsules?


One question, want to make sure we're doing this right, we've put the crock pot on low and placed the coffee cup with the coconut oil in there with the lid on the pot, for now we are letting the oil melt completely and then adding the bud after it has fully become a liquid, is this the correct starting method to let the oil completely solidify? ( my guess is yes but it doesn't hurt to ask :))

Perfect! The only thing I do differently is I wait for the oil to cool to just a little over room temperature (when it's still in liquid form, but not hot enough to melt the gelatin capsules), then I 'syringe' the liquid into the capsules.
The alternative, is to do exactly what your doing.
Dont strain the oil, just pour it onto a small dish, put it in the fridge and wait for it to set.

weedhound's description is spot on! It's just like candlewax when hard

Once it's 'firm' enough you can divide it into small 'pellets' to pop into your capsules. Job done! :D


Anyways, still waiting on the oil to melt and then we'll add the bud and let simmer for 2 full hours. (It took roughly 5 to 10 minutes to let it completely melt.)

Ok just put the bud in. Another question, is 1 tablespoon of coconut oil in melted form equal to the same amount in the soft/hard form that you scoop out of the jar? (We're not very knowledgeable when it comes to cooking ;) )

Anyways it's now simmering and we'll post later about how it turns out and how we turn out. :)
Good question! I had to test this myself when I first started, and 'yes' it's almost exactly the same.

I'm looking forward to hearing how you got on.

[Flameon]

the left over bud residue, I understand to keep it and put it in the capsules, but can it be mixed and eaten with the playdoh balls or should I try to keep it to a minimum amount of residue within the hardened coconut oil ball things?
Assuming you were fairly careful to remove any sharply pointed/serrated edged leaves from your bud (they can have microscopic thorns that irritate the stomach lining), your fine to use all of it.

Remember, 7 grams of oil (one and a half teaspoons) mixed with 1.5 or 2 grams of ground bud when simmered together will give you (more or less) the right amount of volume to fill 12 capsules (pro-rata). If you don't include (or strain out) the residue, you'll end up with slightly less.



Right now there is hardly any shake type bud in the oil, but there is still some in there.
When you finish simmering your ground bud and oil, (assuming you haven't used ground up fan leaves etc - see above) you can just tip the whole lot onto a plate and mix it evenly into your capsules, that way your sure of getting every molecule of THC.
But, if you're not sure, try some with, and some without to test your reactions. i.e did it give you a stomach ache, did you get higher and for longer etc?
It's worth noting that this isn't just something that applies to capsules, but actually making anything using the fan leaves etc can give some people a stomach ache.

The only times it's happened to me have had more to do with the quantities of crisps, coke and chocolate I 'crammed' down when I had the munchies lol

Let us know how it went
Cheers flame :thumbsup:

[zerocool5878]

Hi zero, I'm really glad to hear you 'cracked' it!, if your metabolism is anything like mine I bet your feeling very 'mellow' today lol.

By the way, the confusion re the amount of oil is at my end, not yours. With you saying you were going to be using 5 grams I just assumed you were thinking of making 36 capsules not 24, that's why I suggested the extra 7 grams of oil.

Holy cow! I just remembered you packed all that into just 12 capsules, wow, even without the residue it's no wonder you only needed one! :stoned:

Good job and happy 'landings' :thumbsup:
P.S. Would love to hear what sort of 'experience' you had, ie. any: time distortion, intensity of visual or hearing abilities, munchies etc. Also, forgot to ask how long did you simmer for?

Oh man what a ride! good god man!! Ok by 8 I thought I must be at the peek as I was sooo mellow and just watching tv like I had smoked probably 3 bowls of great bud. but it just kept going. At 8:30 I was hungry so I eat 2 cheeseburgers. I was soooo high I was actully anyalizing the taste of the cheese burger I was consintraiting on what my tatse buds were tasting lol By 9 I was having memory loss and time was going very slow. I did a test where I turned the clock around and waited for what I thought was 20 mins but was about 5.

I couldnt remember where I put my cigs. so I couldn't smoke all night lol. By 10:30 I was starting to get soo messed up I was seeing trails. Yes like I was begining a trip of acid. I am going to call that the peek.

By 11 i was extremly tired like I couldnt keep my eyes open so I figured I was at the start of coming down. For the next hr I felt a total state of relaxation come over my muscles. Not like normal eating a brownie or 2. To the point where when I lifted my arm it was so relaxed that it almost felt like not much was holding my joints together lol. At this point if I touched my skin it had an feeling of ectacsy.

By about 12:30 I just couldn't stay up anymore. I only got 4 hrs of sleep the night before so im sure that had something to do with it. But on the other hand by about 10:30 I felt like going to sleep as usually if I smoke too much I just crash but I made myself stay up to see what else was coming.

Ok what I used was 3.5 grams of high end exotic bud. 1 gram of left overs from the vaporizer and .5 of keif. lol it was really strong considering I filled the capsules with pure oil. And heres what I did to make them a little stronger. I drilled a piece of wood with 24 holes but shallow. I placed the tops and bottomsthe holes to fill them in . I filled the bottoms all the way to the top. And then filled the tip of the tops. I places the wood into the frezer for about 10 mins and then put them together.

[Flameon]

Holy cow !! :eek:

And you've got 11 more of those babies to go lol
I never even thought about filling the tops as well as the bottoms - that's sheer genius :thumbsup:

Oh yes, and the relaxation, touch to the skin feeling like ecstacy thing.
Might I suggest inviting a 'friend' to enjoy this experience with you on a future occasion.

flame winks at the screen and nudges the computer with his elbow

Trust me on this lol
Great job zero :D

[DSOTM420]

Sounds bang on, but with you using 1 tablespoon of oil (14/15 grams), are you planning to make 24 capsules?

I'm looking forward to hearing how you got on.

Just made 12 capsules with just the oil and no residue. It was enough to fill them all half way.

Well so far we each took one at 12:35pm and my husband felt high by 2:15pm. I did not feel high but rather very relaxed and could have fallen asleep easily. So we decided to each take another and are currently waiting to see how we feel. So far here is a indepth look at how each of us feel:

my husband noted:
- lack of focus on anything
- things feel father away and it is a big deal to reach for them
- excellent pain killer - had his wisdom teeth out last week and said that these killed the pain and were much better than vicodin es, which caused him to get extremely nauseated for the past few days, but with the capsules he said there is absolutely no nausea right now ;)
- says it's really hard to play the drum part to RockBand on the easy mode

I've noted:
- extreme overall sense of good feeling
- muscles are very relaxed
- could fall asleep easily
- as with trying the cannamilk recipe found in the recipe section of this site which gave my husband an extreme case of upset stomach to the point he was feeling like he was going to get really sick and almost puke and making my stomach feel funny, there is absolutely no nauseated feelings involved

So it seems that just using the oil in the capsules works but it doesn't seem to compare to your friend being sucked into the television. I think next time we try this we'll try putting the residue in a few and seeing how that works (unfortunately I threw out the residue already :( )

Also I think we'll try just using 7 grams of oil instead of 15 grams. Was wondering would that make it more potent to use less oil? Do you think we just diluted the potency using more oil because it seems that it still works? (Also thinking that I did use mid grade bud so that may have an effect on the potency as well :))

Will post later about how two of these capsules affect us! :hippy:

[Weedhound]

I LOVE reading these...:thumbsup: I saw some trails too.....been AWHILE since I've seen those....:D

[Weedhound]

PS DS...yes I think more oil diluted down the strength of them. ;)

[GoldenFerret]

hmm, well, i wanted to try this, but i cant. my main mids guy got busted, and all my other mids guys got new phones etc, so i have NO connect at all now. and to top it off, im broke and dry. sucks. but anyways, im looking to get a part time job, that pays weekly, so i can get some extra money (work for my parents, they pay off my car payment/insurance, which means i have no bills to worry about) so that i can do this. once i get the job ima save up roughly $300 for an ounce of headies, and make caps with that. how many pills could i make with an ounce of headies, and how effective would they be?
would it be better to buy a qp of mids and make more pills that are weaker (im basing this assumption on the quality of weed, mids bieng way less potent than headies), or an ounce of headies and make less, but more potent pills?
also, if i was to make hash oil, and put it into caps, would that work as well? because if it will, i may use the whole ounce of headies to make hash oil, and the qp of mids (which would be bought later) to make some more caps.
any help would be appreciated, this has really caught my interest.

[Weedhound]

Hmmm....I don't really know GF.....I personally would take the oz of super good bud and make caps out of it but I couldn't really say why that idea appeals to me more than using mids or hash.....I think with the mids the chance of stomach upset would be greater due to having to take more pills to get the same effect. The hash or hash oil.....no idea there since I've never tried it.

[Flameon]

Hi GF,

I'm with weedhound on this one. The best results seem to come from concentrated hits. I've had excellent success with hash, but haven't used hash oil in them, so I'd need to check the quantities and alter the mix ratios, otherwise they could be waaaay too strong!

There's no danger of overdosing however (unless you eat a few thousand in one sitting lol), but I have had extended white-outs/wipe-outs in the past by underestimating amounts (hallucinating for 8 hours and still being high 24 hours later might seem like fun now, but at the time . . .No, actually it was funny then too! Well, until I was supposed to go to work lol).

Whether you go for 'headies' or 'mids', I'd still follow the same method and make the same number of capsules. The only difference will be that you'll probably need to take 3 instead of 2 to get the same result.

An ounce will give you about 28 grams, once you've removed the stems that'll probably leave you with around 24 (or thereabouts).
At 1.5 grams per 12 capsules you'll get around 192 capsules.
If you want to make them even more concentrated, allow 2 grams per 12 capsules, giving you around 144 capsules.

N.B. Don't try and make them all in one go, try making a dozen or so first with a few grams, just so your familiar with the techniques.

P.S. For best results store in the fridge and take/toke when needed lol!
Cheers flame :jointsmile:

[BuzzPion]

I tried making caps the other night. I used 1.7 gr of good chronic bud and 7.3 gr coconut oil. I used an egg cup in a crock pot on low. The temp of the medication never got above 190F and averaged about 180 or so. I ramped up the temp slow and let it cool slow over about 5 hours (it took a bit to come up to temp as the crock pot was cold). The result was 12 caps about 2/3ds full. I've taken several and although I do get a great pain relieving/muscle relaxing experience, I am no where near the trippy effects some have discussed here. Which is OK I guess. Problem is, when I take them they make me want to smoke to get more of the high. Seems kinda counterproductive to me.

One issue: Maybe using bud (no stems leaves, ground to a powder in a coffee grinder) is different than keif or hash. I don't think it possible to get 1 gr of keif/hash from 1.5gr of pure bud.

Buzz

[Aliigetshyphy]

Awesome guide, gonna have to try this soon!

One question though, if I'm using a crockpot, will it stink up the entire house? And how long will the smell stay in the crockpot?

[BuzzPion]

If you stink up the house you are dong it wrong. You might get a mild "green" smell right at the crock pot--but it won't stink up the whole house.

Buzz

[Aliigetshyphy]

Alright, but what about the crock pot itself?

[Dr.Hashman]

I made about 15 "00" capsules last night. I took 3 of them total and my friend took 2. I used the crock pot method and let about 2g bud cook for about 2 1/2 hours. I'm not sure how well they work, but I had a strobe light effect with my vision and the tv kept on getting closer. I ended up passing out because I was so tired about 30 minutes after it started getting good.

Thanks for the guide flame!

[trey2s]

Sticky this already!

[Weedhound]

Sounds like they work pretty good to me Dr. Hashman....:thumbsup:

[Cannabis-Sativa]

wow man thanks for putting the time into writing that up for us, im going to try that :D

[klondike_bar]

im ready to try the minute my caps arrive from ebay! ive got a g of some pretty dank bud and plan to make about 8 caps

[Aliigetshyphy]

Alright, last question!
Would this coconut oil work?

Nutiva - Coconut Oil - Organic Extra Virgin - 54 oz. (http://www.luckyvitamin.com/692752200052.html)

[Weedhound]

Yes but 54 oz.....that'll last you the next ten years and I'm not sure how long it stays good for. ;)

[Flameon]

Hi guys

Some great input, questions and answers here, good job! :thumbsup:


One issue: Maybe using bud (no stems leaves, ground to a powder in a coffee grinder) is different than keif or hash. I don't think it possible to get 1 gr of keif/hash from 1.5gr of pure bud.

That's a good point. One of the difficulties with canna cooking is wide variance in THC strength from one bag of bud to another.
The way it's calculated is to provide as close to a standard dose amount as possible without (hopefully) making it too complicated.
As a rule of thumb, most half decent bud will have somewhere between 10 and 20 percent of THC.
With hash and kief (but not soap bar) the amount is generally somewhere between 15 and 25.
So hopefully, the use of an additional 50 percent of bud (stems and seeds removed as they just add weight and dilute the overall THC content) will (mostly) give a similar THC percentage.


If you stink up the house you are dong it wrong. You might get a mild "green" smell right at the crock pot--but it won't stink up the whole house.Buzz

I couldn't have said it better! Whenever you expose weed to high temperatures, even for short periods (i.e. in a microwave), you end up with quite a strong smell (due to vaporising the terpenoids, THC, CBD), which not only 'give the game away' as to what you're up to, but is slowly loses you potency all the while.
The crock pot temperature is below the THC vaporisation point (so no worries there), and the immersion of weed in the oil, helps prevent the odours escaping and traps the active ingredients.


had a strobe light effect with my vision and the TV kept on getting closer. I ended up passing out because I was so tired about 30 minutes after it started getting good.

Lol! I know that one.
The time to really worry is when you actually 'think' your in the TV! Also, is it just me or do they seem to get so much louder?

I'm lovin' the 'first-hand' user experience reports, it really helps to 'fine tune' the process, and gives 'first-timers' a hand in getting started.

P.S. Good luck with caps Klondike (8 from a gram should be bang on).
P.P.S. Aliigetshyphy 54 oz of coconut oil for $22, holy cow that's great value!
You could start a production line with that that amount lol.
If it helps the 'use by' date is generally a couple of years or more.

[treefingers]

troubleshooting please??

i used about 10g of ghee to 1g of powdered dank, had the water just barely boiling underneath for at least 3 hours, cooled in freezer. it was looking light green as a solid; i cut it in half and ate one half with a piece of bread, assuming it would be about half a gram's worth thc. 3 hours later, no subjective effect that i couldn't blame on placebo.
what the hey?

[Flameon]

Hi treefingers

Sorry to hear you had some problems.
The two things that I think might possibly have had a bearing are the colour, and the amount of oil used.
I would have been tempted to suggest using about half that amount of Ghee (around 5 grams), as the ideal scenario is to get a concentrated dose into the system.

The other thing that sounds like it might well have played a part is the colour.
It shouldn't have been a 'light green'. Even if you just mix the powdered bud with oil (without cooking) it it should still be fairly dark. Once cooked it's normally a very dark green.
MVP has a good photo of how it should look in his 'Brownies cooked right' thread.

Water bath double broilers are trickier when it comes to keeping the temperature just right (above 80 degrees celsius, but below a 140). I'm wondering if I might have to amend the instructions slightly if others are having a problem with this bit of kit. Let me have a think about that one, and I'll get back to you.

[MVP]

Here is the link for Brownies for Beginners ... done right in a couple of hours (http://boards.cannabis.com/recipes/137679-brownies-beginners-done-right-couple-hours.html)

:jointsmile:

[treefingers]

on the ghee's label it says only 15% saturated fat...how could this be if it is pure clarified butter? isn't it supposed to be almost all saturated

[Flameon]

on the ghee's label it says only 15% saturated fat...how could this be if it is pure clarified butter? isn't it supposed to be almost all saturated

Hi Tree

Yes, something sounds wrong there. Typically regular butter is around 55 to 65 percent saturated fat, and clarified (ghee) should be between 85 and a 100 percent. So 15% is unheard of in my experience.
Could you post up more details about it, i.e. the brand name and list of contents?
P.S. Did you strain the butter? If not it might still be rescued.

[zerocool5878]

15% is probably the daily percentage value of one serving size. On the nurtitional facts. Meaning something can be 100% sat fat but a serving size might be only 15% the daily nutrition.

[Gorlax]

Ok I am interested in this and am going to go for it today!!!
I emptied some Vitamins out and have 12 empty gelatin capsules!
I just got some coconut oil and it is 60% saturated Fat 8)
and got 1.5 of some dank
Crock pot is all ready!
- My only concerns are the following. If I was to spill some oil on the gelatin capsules would it dissolve on me?

- Im planning on making the caps today but not using them till Friday, How long will these be active??? I heard that u shuld eat space brownies few hours after being baked! What about A few days for these capss!!!

[Flameon]

Hi Gorlax

You'll find that coconut oil remains in liquid form for quite a while as it cools. I tend to wait until it's just a little above room temperature before I use mine to avoid the capsules melting.
If in doubt though you can always put it in the fridge, wait for it to set hard (like candle wax) and then scrape up little 'pellets' of oil/butter with the tip of a knife to add to your capsules.

I've experimented and tested these after storing them in the freezer and fridge for periods of several months and have seen no loss of potency, so a few days is absolutely fine (storing in the fridge will prevent the oil getting warm enough to turn runny, and prevent any possible 'leakage'.

Good luck, and don't forget to grind the weed finely and use all of it (sediment included)!
Cheers
flame :thumbsup:

[Gorlax]

Ok Sounds good! I was thinking about the gelatin melting because it melts when saliva hits it let alone oil!!

[MVP]

FYI: Coconut oil naturally becomes solid at approx. 75 degrees F... If it cools too much and becomes solid, I put the container in nice warm/almost hot water to bring it back to a liquid state...

[Gorlax]

Yes i Did notice that! it wuldnt come out of bottle and I was like WTF then I Squeezzzed it really hard and it came out as a thick paste!!

[O High O]

Awesome tutorial, brother.

Ever thought about trying this with ground up stems?

[O High O]

I got a question.. I live with my parents, though I am an adult, but they wouldn't be too keen on me doing this .. I smoke in my room and have never aroused suspicion as far as I know, would this method compare to smoking in a room or would it be much worse.. I realize it'd take a couple hours, so it'd definitely stay in the air longer, but do you think the smell would travel, say downstairs.. with a towel at the top and bottom of the door.. window open, fan pointing out, an incent or two burning.. I think it'd be all right.. I'd just need to borrow the crock pot from the kitchen.

I have a winter freezer.. my window...:)

[Gorlax]

Ok I few tips I would love to throw out there after making my capsules!!!!

#1 I placed my bud/coconut in a coffee cup then placed it in crock pot this made it more manageable instead of placing it into just in the crock pot.

#2 Their is a faint smell that is given off but is more coconut smelly then bud just a heads up

#3 Freeze it after and then put it into the capsules.ALOT EASIER!!

[OZO]

I am making a batch of these right now. About 30 minutes till they are done.
I only used about .6 and I am dividing it in 3 parts. The whole purpose of me trying this is to see if I can find an alternative to smoking while using the same amount (or less) of bud. I will report back with the results (unlike others in the past I will be back).

Thanks for the in-depth guide Flameon!

[hydrocannabis]

I can't wait to try this myself. with my own buds.

[OZO]

Just so everyone knows I am not in ShamanicHippy land. I just never got the chance to try them :( . Maybe tomorrow.

[Gorlax]

Ok these things are creeepers. After about 2 hours or so my 4 capsules kicked in that I took 2 hours prior. It was very intense and I felt like my head was a disco ball and was spinning in my mind insanely. I felt very nasious after a wwhiel and almost puked but am starting to drift off now. !!!

[Flameon]

Hi guys, how's it going?


I got a question.. I live with my parents, though I am an adult, but they wouldn't be too keen on me doing this .. I smoke in my room and have never aroused suspicion as far as I know, would this method compare to smoking in a room or would it be much worse.. I realize it'd take a couple hours, so it'd definitely stay in the air longer, but do you think the smell would travel, say downstairs.. with a towel at the top and bottom of the door.. window open, fan pointing out, an incent or two burning.. I think it'd be all right.. I'd just need to borrow the crock pot from the kitchen.

I have a winter freezer.. my window...:)

As Gorlax say's, you won't need to worry too much about the smell. Assuming you don't 'overheat' the weed, and keep the crock pot lid on, there should be very little to give you away.


Ok I few tips I would love to throw out there after making my capsules!!!!

#1 I placed my bud/coconut in a coffee cup then placed it in crock pot this made it more manageable instead of placing it into just in the crock pot.

#2 Their is a faint smell that is given off but is more coconut smelly then bud just a heads up

#3 Freeze it after and then put it into the capsules.ALOT EASIER!!

Nice! :thumbsup: All good tips.


I am making a batch of these right now. About 30 minutes till they are done.
I only used about .6 and I am dividing it in 3 parts. The whole purpose of me trying this is to see if I can find an alternative to smoking while using the same amount (or less) of bud. I will report back with the results (unlike others in the past I will be back).

Thanks for the in-depth guide Flameon!

Hi OZO and thanks for the kind words.
Fingers crossed that they work out well for you.
One small word of caution though. 0.6 grams of bud into 3 will give you 0.2 per capsule, which is a fair sized dose. I don't know how potent your weed is, but I would probably suggest taking one the first time to see how you get on.
I know it might not sound like much (especially when compared to smoking), but taking 0.4 of weed in this method can tip you over the edge. (see Gorlax's next post lol). At the very least you'll be 'nailed' to the couch visiting 'Shamanic Hippy' land for a good few hours! lol


Ok these things are creeepers. After about 2 hours or so my 4 capsules kicked in that I took 2 hours prior. It was very intense and I felt like my head was a disco ball and was spinning in my mind insanely. I felt very nasious after a wwhiel and almost puked but am starting to drift off now. !!!

Holy cow! . . 4!! . . you took 4?? lol
I hope you're feeling ok this morning. I'm familiar with how intense that amount can be.

For me, I know I've taken too much when music becomes so 'vibrant' that I have to shut my eyes to listen. You don't just hear it, you 'feel it' vibrate through your body in multi-coloured waves lol.

Nice job, but perhaps only 3 next time? :jointsmile:

Cheers
Flame

[Weedhound]

Hi Flame,

Just passing through. Wanted to let you know that you were absolutely right about my issues with getting stuff in the capsules....i didn't let things cool enough to work with correctly but have gotten it down now and it isn't hard at all!

I've also found that putting them in capsules does make things much more consistent when I take them....making dosages much easier to work with. :thumbsup:

[Flameon]

Hey Weedhound, good to hear from you!

I've just 'popped' a couple myself in readiness for a euphoric Saturday night, and I'm about 45 minutes away from hilarity, horniness and hunger. In that order! lol

Glad you cracked the filling process. You can't beat opening the fridge door to see them all lined up in little rows. Bless 'em. I'm like a proud father (who eats his young).
Anyhow, have a good one and I'll catch up with you when I'm making more sense. lol
Cheers
Flame :stoned:

[JaySpliff]

I just have to say that this is my favourite thread in all of cann.com, and I can't wait to make these!...but unfortunately I won't be able to until some time in the new year lol.:p

[Gorlax]

O yeh ontop of my 4 caps I took prior to it actually kicking in I smoked about 15-20 bowls from bubbler. Then once my pills kicked in I was tripping really bad and almost passed out because I felt soo messed up. But I held my shit together and it soon slowly became more better. What Kicked my pills in was a nice meal at mcdonalds. I believe you need to eat something like that for the pills to take full effect because I really didnt feel much of the pilll until I ate and it was insane after that.!!! I mean fucking insane! Damnnnn Glad im feeling much better this morning thats a story to tell hhaha

[FlyGuyOU]

I got 1.4g of nug all ground up, got the croc pot out and ready, off to the store to get some coconut oil/ clarified butter. be back soon
gonna make some and watch football this afternoon woo hoo!

[FlyGuyOU]

so, i got my butter in the croc pot, its in a glass straightedge measuring cup in 2in or so of water. my CP is old skool and heats from the sides, idk what new ones do. anyways, i put about 1.3 tbs in the microwave for a min to melt, and it boiled a little bit after that i let it cool to below boiling and added my herb, stirred it up and now its sitting. i'm gona give it about 2-2.5-3hours on low and see what happens next. gona get ripped tonight!!
:yippee: :yippee: :woohoo: :woohoo:

[imitator]

So I made this recipe up last night, and I have some questions because things didnt go quite as I expected.

Here is what I had for materials

1 Large Crockpot
1 Small metal shotglass
3.5g Weed (mid)
14g Ghee(homemade)

Now, I think I know what some of the problems were, but I want to bounce it against you guys and see what you think.

I followed the instructions on cooking time, and how to make ghee, had no probelms with either part of that. The first thing I can think of that might have been a problem was that the weed wasnt powdered. It was ground up pretty good, but no where near a powder state.

Secondly, I didnt microwave/oven the weed to "activate" it before putting it in the mixture. Being mid quality weed, I have a feeling that was a large part of the problem.

One thing I thought was odd, is that the weed never really boiled down inside the container throughout the process. When I emptied the container out, there was the same amount of oil, but tbh there was way more weed then oil in the glass. I am wondering if turning the weed into powder would make a difference with that.

I cooked the mixture on Low on the crockpot for a little over 2 hours, and the color of the oil changed, and the smell of cooking weed was evident, but only if you sniffed inside the crockpot, it didnt fill the room or anything.

I couldnt get empty pill casings at the time, so we just were going to eat teh stuff raw after it solidified. I cut it up into 12 peices, so each peice was 2 doses.

This morning, after having a peice of bread and a peice of sausage, I took 3 peices of the mixture, or what should have been around 6 doses total. I didnt feel all that much, at all, some slight time distortion, but I have that even when I am not high.

I took one peice(2 doses) last night after smoking some, and I had a really strong feeling of euphoria, like everything was awesome and right in the world, and I felt no pain at all. Everyone else who was with me who took the same amount said the same thing, but I cant say for sure if it wasnt placebo effect or not.

Anything that stands out as being the main problem? Im thinking I need to activate the weed next time, and try to get it ground up finer, but does anything else seem like it might be the problem?

[Dark]

So, after getting pissed at not being able to make GD, I decided to give this a go. I don't have a crockpot, but living alone is nice so I got to take some pics.
I used about 5g of schwag...total shit...only after "activating" it do I get a slight buzz from one j smoked by myself, a small shot glass full of homemade (by me) clarified butter , a small pan (in lieu of a glass mixing bowl) and a big ass pot.

Here are 3 pics, pretty self explanatory. My camera's pretty shit though since it's a mobile phone, so res kinda sux. 1st pic is just after I put the butter and ganja in the small pan inside the pot, then the final result unstrained, then what I strained onto a plate (can't be bothered with capsules right now.)

According to my scale, the end result was 3g (I weighed the plate empty, then added the canna-butter), I took 2/3rds of that on a piece of bread aprox 50 minutes ago.

[Flameon]

Hi guys and welcome to the thread FlyGuyOU, imitator and Dark.

Also, a big thank you to everyone else who's taken the time to contribute or add a comment or two (hey, we got ourselves a 'sticky' now - Woohoo!).

FlyGuyOU - I hope it worked out OK for you, if you're passing this way again, drop us a report on how it went.

imitator - Mids can be notoriously difficult to get right due to the wide variance in THC strength, so don't beat yourself up if it didn't go exactly to plan the first time.

Activating your weed does help, but isn't absolutely essential in this recipe (unlike Green Dragon where you must do it).
I've noticed there's a bit of confusion regarding how to correctly 'activate' your weed on these boards, so I thought I'd 'chip in' with a couple of things.

Firstly, 'activating' your weed refers to the process of converting some of the non-psychoactive compounds like CBG and THC-A into active THC. Much of this will have happened naturally to your weed assuming you're using well cured and dried bud. However, it is possible to increase the potency over a much shorter period of time by applying a little additional heat.

Secondly, for some reason, the method that appears to be most frequently repeated on the boards is inaccurate.

N.B. I'm referring to the various posts that suggest you put weed into an oven set to around 325 fahrenheit.

It's important to bear in mind that the point at which THC starts to evaporate is actually about 285 degrees F, therefore, at 325 you're potentially losing more than your creating. Remember if the kitchen smells strongly of weed, chances are it's vaporised THC
(anything from 180 to 285 is fine though).

Thirdly, grinding up your bud into powdered form really helps in releasing the THC from the resin heads into the oil, it also means you can use/consume the residue without sifting (you won't lose a drop).

Lastly, it's important to make sure your weed is immersed in the oil, as it will act as a barrier trapping the THC and preventing any loss of potency. Therefore, it's better to use a narrow container like an egg-cup, espresso mug (stainless steel shot glass) etc. i.e. something that doesn't have a wide surface area.

Hope that helps a bit!
Many thanks and keep up the good work :thumbsup:

Flame

P.S. OZO have you had a chance to give it a try yet?

[Dark]

Ty Flame, nice to be here :)


I do have one question regarding your last post.


It's important to bear in mind that the point at which THC starts to evaporate is actually about 285 degrees F, therefore, at 325 you're potentially losing more than your creating.

Are you absolutely sure about that? The reason I ask is that Master Wu in the Green Dragon thread advises 325 for 5 minutes, and gets great results in the final product, and apparently so did others. I tried to look it up myself, but besides wikipedia, I'm not sure where I'd find out what the evap temp of thc is.


As for me, I didn't really feel much from the butter I made, but that means nothing given that my weed is shit. In all fairness, the guy sold me about 30grams for 15 Euros. I thought it was a good deal since I'd be cooking with it. apparently not :))

[imitator]

Thanks for the info Flame.

I dont usually put my weed into the oven unless I am doing large quantities, otherwise I stick to the microwave, which has never failed me.

I will try the recipe again with some high quality weed, and see what comes of it from there, Ill make sure to post my results once I make another batch.

[Flameon]

Ty Flame, nice to be here :)


I do have one question regarding your last post.



Are you absolutely sure about that? The reason I ask is that Master Wu in the Green Dragon thread advises 325 for 5 minutes, and gets great results in the final product, and apparently so did others. I tried to look it up myself, but besides wikipedia, I'm not sure where I'd find out what the evap temp of thc is.


As for me, I didn't really feel much from the butter I made, but that means nothing given that my weed is shit. In all fairness, the guy sold me about 30grams for 15 Euros. I thought it was a good deal since I'd be cooking with it. apparently not :))

Hi Dark,

Yeah, you'll find more info if you try a 'THC Vaporisation point' search.
The companies that make 'vaporizers' for example, tend to provide a fairly comprehensive break down of the differing temperature ranges and what happens to the terpenoids, CBD, CBG THC etc at each stage.

Think of it like water. When you boil a kettle although the boiling point of water is 100 degrees centigrade, you'll see wisps of steam start evaporating long before that temperature is reached.
With THC it's just the same.
325 degrees F for five minutes is no problem (it's not long enough to do any harm), but if you left it in the oven for say fifteen minutes the chances are you'll have evaporated more THC than you'll have created by decarboxylating the inert compounds.
That's one of the reasons I always suggest cooking brownies etc at a lower heat for longer.

[Flameon]

Thanks for the info Flame.

I dont usually put my weed into the oven unless I am doing large quantities, otherwise I stick to the microwave, which has never failed me.

I will try the recipe again with some high quality weed, and see what comes of it from there, Ill make sure to post my results once I make another batch.

H again imitator

Good luck with it, and I'll look forward to hearing how you get on.

I took a couple of photographs of a recent batch to give people an idea of what they should be looking for.
This was made with 2.5 grams of ground bud and about 10 grams (2 teaspoons) of coconut oil.

After about an hour you'll get a green froth form at the surface caused by the oxidisation of the plant material (perfectly normal).
(This one is particularly green as the weed hadn't really been cured for long enough).
The oil itself should be very dark in colour when done (almost like ink).

Remember the residue/sediment in the bottom is equally important to use when dividing up portions.

Cheers
Flame :jointsmile:

[Dark]

that's the second time I wanted to rep you today flame. pics much appreciated, been looking for some for a while.

[Weedhound]

Flame is a virtual Betty Crocker on this stuff. :thumbsup: :D

[OZO]

P.S. OZO have you had a chance to give it a try yet?

Not yet. Itâ??s hard to find the time needed to try these things. :(

[Dark]

well, i just gave it another go, albeit again using this weed: http://boards.cannabis.com/cannabis-pictures/144160-lol-wtf-happened-weed.html

I cooked up some butter again, used a fair amount with about .6-.8 of that weed, put it into a small narrow espresso cup and water bathed it for 2 hours. Strained it, waited about 5 minutes for it to harden, spread all of it onto half a piece of bread, breathed through my mouth and ate it just now. The way I figure, since that amount of "weed" doesn't get me high if I smoke it, I'm not going to go to shamanic hippie land if I take all of it. I'll hopefully have something to report in about 2 hours.

[Dark]

well, no results whatsoever. I blame it on the weed, really. I'll have to get some real pot too cook with

[SFGurrilla]

Say I have Cannabutter already made. Could I melt it and just put it in the capsuls. This is pretty much what were doing? I used a method from this stuff I used called "Cutters Hash"

[Dark]

well, basically, yeah...the titration is gonna be a bit more challenging though

[Kgreen]

I've been following this thread very closely and recently gave it a go myself, they didn't come out as strong as i thought they would, so i spent a little time investigating.

Using an Infrared Surface Temperature thermometer i discovered after an hour with the lid on, the sides of my Crockpot reached about 195, but the dish in the center of the Crockpot only reached 137 Fahrenheit.

My Crockpot is a large RIVAL brand. Perhaps this is the reason some people in here are having potency issues. :jointsmile:

[OZO]

I've been following this thread very closely and recently gave it a go myself, they didn't come out as strong as i thought they would, so i spent a little time investigating.

Using an Infrared Surface Temperature thermometer i discovered after an hour with the lid on, the sides of my Crockpot reached about 195, but the dish in the center of the Crockpot only reached 137 Fahrenheit.

My Crockpot is a large RIVAL brand. Perhaps this is the reason some people in here are having potency issues. :jointsmile:

I also have a RIVAL Crockpot. So what do you think about putting the mixture in the oven instead?

[niltrog]

Man, this is rough. My girlfriend and I have been watching this thread for a while now and we finally had gotten all of the pieces together that we needed. We've tried them.. we even have 4 in us now.. and nothing. Maybe a little body high, but nothing near what we were hoping. Especially having used as much bud as we did. We are tight on money and we were hoping this would help stretch us a little. Unfortunately, it looks like it may have just lost almost 2g. The biggest step we know that we did differently was not having a grinder to turn it into powder. We took scissors to it like crazy though, and it was fairly fine, but not perfect. Could this little detail be the difference between it working and not?

We also weren't sure about the amounts we used. We weighed out 1.5g of bud and scooped 7g of coconut oil and when it was all put together, the bud pretty much just soaked up the oil and was chunky, moist bud. After about 2.5 hours of cooking on low in the crockpot, it was pretty mushy, as I had decided to expect. We took it out, let it cool, and stuffed our caps. They turned out to be pretty full, which was fine. We got 12 out of it and each took one. That was last night.. We waited and got enough to say it felt like we had smoked a couple hours prior. This morning, we woke up and took two and some bread right away. After two hours, nothing. If anything, it was about what we got last night. We took two more and we're still waiting on those, technically. I don't really know what to expect though. Everyone else has been freaking out about them, so I would expect that I would definitely know what was going on when it happened.

I guess my biggest worries are the lack of grinder and the thickness of the cooked mixture. Could that be because it wasn't ground? or..? We realllly wanted this to work, but we also reallllly can't afford to lose much (if any) more to this right now. On the crockpot, there are only two settings. We used "low", which I believed was the reccomendation.

Any ideas at all? We might have to pick up an eggcup like that just so we can do a smaller batch and see what happens, but I really don't know. :/ *sigh*

[Kgreen]

I ran another small batch this time with the crock put on high, i monitored the temperature closely, turning it back to low to keep the temp regulated and this time the results were phenomenal.

Also, it took about 45 minutes or so for the center to reach 180 degrees farenheit. So you'd have to adjust cooking times.

My conclusion: If you have a crappy crock pot like mine that doesn't heat from the bottom, monitor the temperature if you can, if you can't float your cooking vessel in preheated water in the crockpot on low, that should keep the temperature even througout.

also if you float it, you should probably cover it with tin foil or something, to keep condensation out.:thumbsup:

[Kgreen]

BTW Flame, your a genius!

[niltrog]

I ran another small batch this time with the crock put on high, i monitored the temperature closely, turning it back to low to keep the temp regulated and this time the results were phenomenal.

Also, it took about 45 minutes or so for the center to reach 180 degrees farenheit. So you'd have to adjust cooking times.

My conclusion: If you have a crappy crock pot like mine that doesn't heat from the bottom, monitor the temperature if you can, if you can't float your cooking vessel in preheated water in the crockpot on low, that should keep the temperature even througout.

also if you float it, you should probably cover it with tin foil or something, to keep condensation out.:thumbsup:

Is it possible you could detail this a little more. I think I get the idea, but I'm having trouble finalizing it in my head. I think we definitely do have a crappy crock pot. We're just borrowing it from my parents. It only has low and high. We tried low and nothing really happened. You have given us a little bit of hope back as we see it very well could be a the temperature.

How would you suggest pre-heating the water to know you have it hot enough?

You said it hit 180 at 45 minutes.. Did you turn it down at this point? Is there anyway you could estimate what times you had it turned up to high and down to low? Any idea for us to follow would be great.

The only thermometer we have around is a meat thermometer.. Would it be helpful to put that in the crock pot to at least see about where it is?

We've already taken most of them, hoping something would happen, but it hasn't. We have 4 left. Is there any chance that if we squeeze those back out into maybe a shot glass, we could re-cook them and get something back out of them?

These are pretty much just questions out to anyone, if anyone knows. Flame has been great throughout this whole thread. I'm envious of all the knowledge, but I'm trying to get it down :p

[Flameon]

Hi guys, and welcome to thread Kgreen and niltrog :thumbsup:

Firstly, can I just say great work on the troubleshooting Kgreen. Spot on!

Getting the temperature just right is sometimes a tricky process.
The problem arises due to the need to keep the weed and oil within quite a narrow temperature band.

It needs to be:

Hot enough to melt the resin heads and allow the THC to amalgamate fully with the butter/oil, but, below the first THC vaporization point, otherwise the THC starts to evaporate.
(Roughly speaking the required range is between: 80 and 140 degrees Centigrade, or 175 and 285 Fahrenheit).

One of the principal reasons for using a crock pot is because it prevents overheating of the weed since, even on the highest setting, most donâ??t go above 95/100 degrees C.
Remember, due to the simmering times (upwards of two hours or more) if the mix was exposed to anything much higher, even a few degrees over the vaporization point, quite a pit of potency could be lost by just slowly 'leaking away'.


Secondly, (a potential crock pot solution, and an alternative to using the 'Water bath' method) anyone who thinks their crock pot is not getting or maintaining a high enough temperature might consider using an oven instead.

N.B. Ovens generally tend to be a little inconsistent in setting and keeping a constant temperature. My experience in using a fan-assisted electric oven, for example, was problematic (I found that the fan caused the temperature in the oven to be actually much hotter then it was set to - burning off some of the THC), however, assuming you've got access to a fairly reliable oven, it' may well be a better option than 'under-cooking' in an old or inefficient crock pot or 'water bath'.

Oven settings should be at either gas mark 1/2 (120/130 degrees C, or 250 Degrees F), or, if that doesn't seem to be getting hot enough, try at Gas mark 1 (140 degrees C, 275 Degrees F).
N.B. Very important, cooking at gas mark 1 will mean your oven temperature is right on the first THC vaporization point and will potentially reduce your potency if it achieves or exceeds this temperature for any length of time.

For niltrog (and anyone else who might this useful), it sounds from your description like you might be a bit light on the amount of oil in your caps (The consistency of the 'chopped' bud won't have helped either I'm afraid, but don't worry, we may still be able to rescue it).
With bud it can be difficult to gauge exactly how much oil will be needed to fully extract the THC simply because, depending on how dry the bud is, a percentage of oil will be 'soaked' up into the ground plant material.

What you need to try and achieve is a mix which is a little less than half and half (half oil soaked powdered bud, half liquid oil).
It doesn't need to be exact, but try not to end up with a mix that is less than a third oil/two thirds residue, as the effects will be reduced.

My advice would be to squeeze out the contents of the four caps into a very small oven proof container, add some more oil and re-heat (perhaps in the oven this time) for another hour. If you could 'top up' the mix with a 'pinch' or two of finely chopped bud that wouldn't hurt either lol.

Anyhow, thanks for all the kind words guys, and good luck. :thumbsup:

[niltrog]

helpful stuff

Wow, yeah.. If those are the general temperatures of crockpots, I really think that was one of our bigger problems. That and the mixture being off. We thought it was a little light on oil. but we even put in a little extra. We didn't want to go off of the recipe too badly. We might have an option to grind it down better now too. Now that we have a better idea on how much we should use, I think we're about ready to try it again.

We're going to only do 6 caps worth in a shot glass and hope that helps a little. I was wrong about my number on how many we had left, it was only two, which would be hard to mess with anyways.. We just took them because usually we at least felt a liiiiittle something. We also more recently saw your picture with the bud frothing, and we saw much more liquid.

With that and the temperature a little more understood, this batch could be one. *crosses fingers*

Thanks so much, Flame and everyone. This thread is great!

[dominionxp]

i dont get this shit.. its WAY to hard to make :(

[dominionxp]

the only thing i understand is put 1.5 g's of good bud broken up in the crockpot, wit coconut oil, cook for 2 hours, and injecT??!

[niltrog]

We're just about done with this new batch. We're trying half-amounts in a shot glass, and we went with more coconut oil, as per the suggestion. We already waited a while this morning before we started. Then we had to wait for the crock pot to heat up. Then, after an hour, we realize the crock pot is cooling down. We're like.. "um wtf" so we decide to just throw it all in the oven.

We have been using a meat thermometer to track where the air temp and mixture temp have been. We have documented about 2.5 hours at 190-215F. This is since we moved it to the oven. We just ignored any original cooking time in the crock pot. The result so far is a lot closer to Flame's pictures. We have a decent amount of oil sitting on top of some gunk. We're just waiting for it to cool so we can throw it in some capsules. The oil is green. The smell has been what we would think is perfect. It's just been hanging out. We're way excited to see how these one turn out. We think this could be the batch. Here's to hoping everything comes out strong enough :)

Will post back.

[niltrog]

Alright, well.. We took 2 two hours ago and now.. meh.. I think it's a little more than it was with the last batch, but it's not really anything like we were hoping/thinking, based on the responses. We really don't know what could have been up this time. It was definitely cooking 190-215 for just about 2.5 hours.. There was enough coconut oil this time. If anything, it may have been a touch much, but it only made the capsules a little fuller. I don't know if we should take more and hope for more, take them later and get what we can out of them or what.. I have a job interview coming up Monday and if that goes well, we might be a little better off, but right now, we really can't afford to keep losing this much bud to it.

*sigh*

[Flameon]

Alright, well.. We took 2 two hours ago and now.. meh.. I think it's a little more than it was with the last batch,

Hi niltrog

I notice from your last post was at the two hour mark, so I'm still hoping they may have worked out for you after all.
Generally it's at least an hour and a half to two hours before people start to feel the effects, and they won't 'peak' until about four or five hours after swallowing. So here's hoping (flameon crosses fingers), otherwise I'll be as disappointed as you!

I made a new batch myself on Thursday (for the weekend), and thought I'd best check the potency in advance. So I took two and waited, after two hours nothing, so I stupidly took a third thinking I must have had some mild weed, ten minutes later however, the first two started to kick in and I was out of it for the rest of the night. lol

Sometimes you never can tell!

[imitator]

Niltrog, what kind of weed were you using?

I am about to make a batch this evening, I hope, with some sensimilia, its usually pretty high quality stuff, so I am hoping to have a good example of what these little guys can do before the end of the night.

[Kgreen]

I have been using clarified butter that I made myself, but I think I may have been putting too little in. I'd say my oil:fat ratio is probably 50/50, even though these work very good, and much better since I've been monitoring the temperature a bit closer. Unfortunately I won't be able to make a clear judgement on the next batch. The bud i used to make those last batches was absolute crap. Still though, it took 4 capsules to give me a pleasant high, and that bud was really nasty.

Also, I made a little with some bud I'm sorry to admit to ever smoking. The plants either weren't flushed correctly, or were sprayed with something, or perhaps both and it smelled like perfume, but tasted like popcorn and gave you a wicked headache. I decided to cook it, because I just couldn't take smoking it anymore and i noticed that the high was much clearer, with little to no headache, I wonder if cooking it prevents your body from digesting certain chemicals that may be present in the plant that would normally mess you up if you smoked it?

[niltrog]

Been meaning to post, but hadn't quite gotten to yet. That last batch I was talking about is still the last batch we have made, but I can update on what had turned out with them. After that two hour mark, they still hadn't really kicked in much. Like the time before, we could feel maybe a little bit of a high, but it was only like we had smoked a few hours prior and were just tired. Not at all like we had taken the descriptions to be.

Going into the next day, we knew about what time we were going to get up, so we set an alarm for 1.5 hours prior to that. We woke up just enough to take another two and go back to sleep. We woke up about an hour and a half later and got up, hoping maybe it would be stronger in the morning. Again, it was faintly a feeling have having smoked, even though we didn't. We deemed them a bust, but we're not totally discouraged yet.. Just a little wary.

I don't really know what type of pot that last batch was made of. I don't know them well enough to tell. Ultimately though, by the end of the bag, it was getting pretty weak. This had been the same stuff for the past couple weeks, so it was apparently easy to tolerate. We think maybe part of that problem was that it was relatively weak. This new stuff we just got is definitely a lot better, so we're kind of excited to try it again. We just had another few questions before we went for it.

Since our crock pot is broken now, we ended up cooking that last batch in the oven. We had watched the temperature and we marked 2 solid hours at about 215F. Is there something wrong with this method? The original directions in the thread say crock pot or pan on the stove, but we figured that as long as the temp was in the correct range, it would work. Should we maybe cook it at a little bit higher temp, since it seems we could actually go all the way up to 280 and be okay? Those pictures of Flame's batch showed it getting all frothy. Should we be expecting to see frothy? We didn't really.. Maybe a little bit, but I would expect a higher temp to help with that?

We also think we may have gone just a little too much on the oil, so we will have to very careful on that this time. How much of a chance is it that the batch would be very affected by too much oil? We had ground it up better this time, so it cooked down and mixed in a little better, so I think that's why we ended up going a little over. Knowing that now, we'll go a little less, but it's hard to judge. I don't want to end up having too little oil because if I add it, it still had to get cooked into that, taking more time. If we go too much, it might dilute it too much.

So I guess the main questions are about the temp/frothiness, cooking in oven versus stovetop, and how easily the amount of oil will totally void a batch?

[Flameon]

Hi Niltrog nice to hear from you again

To cover some of those issues:
The temperature question is possibly the only one that might be a little tricky (most of the important details are explained in post 179).

I'd avoid the water bath method if I were you (although I've used it successfully many times in the past, I've found that too many people are finding it difficult to maintain a high enough temperature for long enough), instead stick with the oven and you'll be fine as long as you remember to keep an eye on it and make sure it doesn't get too hot.

I'm comfortable with recommending gas mark 1 as the setting (275 Degrees F) as long as people are aware that if their oven is old (or unreliable) it may get too hot (i.e. above the point when THC starts to evaporate). Even then to be honest a few degrees over probably isn't going to do any noticeable harm. You'll probably be able to spot if its too hot from the increasing 'weed' smell.

Regarding the frothiness of the oil, you'll start to see that at around the 30 minute mark as the weed starts to oxidise in the oil, the amount you get will depend on a number of things.
That particular batch was slightly more frothy than I usually get mostly due to the weed not being dried and cured enough, however after about an hour or so the majority of that will have started to dissipate.

One critical point, make sure your using well dried and activated bud before you grind it up.
Put it in the oven for 5 to 10 minutes, again at gas mark 1. This will drive out any water molecules and help convert any remaining inactive compounds into active THC (depending on your weed, this can boost the THC yield by around 50 percent).

Regarding the amount of oil, think of the THC like salt crystals in water, not enough water means all the crystals won't dissolve (the water won't absorb any more due to reaching a saturation point), too much water however, and the mix is diluted (much less of a problem though).

Melt the oil first and then stir in the ground bud, wait for it to settle and then add a little more oil if necessary. You should aim for about half and half (although as long as you've got roughly a third more oil than residue you'll be fine.

Have you tested any of the weed yet for potency? It might be worth smoking a nug to get a feel for how strong it is, I wouldn't want you to go through the process for the results not to be everything you expect.

Anyhow, good luck and keep me posted :thumbsup:

[niltrog]

Wow, great information, thanks Flame :D

We ended up napping, so I'm not sure if we'll get to making them tonight. That really helped clarify some of the questions we weren't sure about this time. Each time, we feel like we're more and more ready for it, but they haven't turned out. We figure they have to eventually, we just have to figure out our method. We will definitely have all of that in mind and we'll post back when we see what happens.

We definitely know that this stuff is a lot more potent than the stuff we had for the last batch. The other stuff started out good, but we got tolerated to it pretty quickly. This new stuff is pretty crazy. We shall see.

[Flameon]

Hey, that sounds like good news.
If you want to try a 'sample' test run first, just use 0.5 of a gram (after the stems have been removed) and a level teaspoon of oil.
It'll make enough for about 4 or 5 caps.

Should be a good indicator if you've cracked the method without risking too much 'green'.

[niltrog]

Cool. That's about what we've been doing, but it's nice to see some "official" numbers. We've been estimating about a half batch, but to just shoot for .5 and a level teaspoon will be even easier. We go through capsules a little quick because it's two people trying them, but if we get them to work right, we'll be happy. We didn't start them tonight, so we likely will tomorrow morning.

[Flameon]

Nice, I'll be keeping my fingers crossed for you.
One small tip. I find that if I take one capsule and then take another a couple of hours later, I don't get as high as I do when I've taken two at the same time.
So, rather than just taking one and waiting to see what happens, I'm tempted to suggest going with two to start with. Hopefully, they'll do the trick.

[niltrog]

Yeah, we've been doing the two at a time recently. We figure if that's going to be about the normal "dosage" for us, we can do most of our testing with that. When they work, if one is still a nice buzz, that's cool, and if three makes it that much crazier, all the better.

Speaking of, how different would you say it is between two and three of yours? We've been expecting a notable difference, and according to your descriptions, it sounds like they are definitely different. Even to the point of a few hours and how "out of it" it sounds like you can get from three.

My girlfriend just thought to ask: Would it make much difference to the batch if we check on the temp and stir it up during? We have been, so hopefully that hasn't been the problem, but we're just wondering. If it's better to just leave it, then this next time, we'll make sure the temp is good and then just leave it alone this time. We're just paranoid that the temp is all of a sudden going to scorch the batch.

[Flameon]

I stir mine briefly about once an hour. Taking the lid off a crock pot (or opening the oven door in your case), causes quite a big temperature drop which will take a fair while to build back up, so just do it a couple of times only.

As for dosage, I take three at a time from my current batch (not great weed), to achieve the same high as I normally get from two.
However, I do like to be well and truly blazed.
I'll be brewing up a batch this afternoon using a gram of some very potent dutch hash, where just one will almost do the same job.
I love Christmas, it's a great excuse to use the 'good stuff'!

[OZO]

Well I decided to take these bad dogs last night for Christmas Eve as I had nowhere to be and I was around good people (stoners). I had made a small batch a while ago but it was not enough for all of my guests so I made another batch with about 2 grams. So total I had about 2.6 grams for about 6 people. We all took them at about 8:30pm along with a ton of food and we were all loaded by 10:00pm. I was wasted all night and I still have a nice little buzz this morning! Everyone loved these little capsules we got so loaded it took us about an hour to get the Wii hooked up. We were all so ripped all we could do was try to play Wii and laugh, it was the most fun I have had in a long time.

Thanks Flameon! :thumbsup:

[Jack the Tripper]

This blows my mind. I told my girlfriend about it and we're planning on making a batch first chance we get. Bonus is, she works in a pharmacy, and it has all the stuff we need :D

A few quick questions, if you'd be so kind.

Is there a decent alternative to a capsule tray? We may have trouble finding one.

The one think I'm a little unclear on... we'll be using a slow cooker (crock pot). Is there supposed to be water in the slow cooker, or is that just for the stovetop method?

Thanks, and thanks for posting this awesomeness!

[niltrog]

I'm jealous, OZO. Even that last batch of ours that we were so excited about didn't end up working. We really don't know what the problem is, but because we have lost so much pot to this already, we're going to have to take a break from trying. We may try again sometime since we still have all of this coconut oil and capsules and such, but it might not be for a while.

We have tried to replicate everything that the directions say, and even after 2 revisions, it still didn't click, so we don't know what to do. If there are any suggestions or anything, we could keep them in mind for next time, whenever that might be. Sad :(

[Weedhound]

niltrog.....i need a good four to get me going......five would be more what I need at the end of a day once I start developing that daily sort of tolerance....i actually switch back and forth between the capsules I "saute" and the ones I cook in the crockpot.....but they are made with much larger amounts of weed than the crockpot ones. But let me say I generally do a pretty good amount of weed daily.

How much ganja do you guys generally do a day?

[niltrog]

Wow, 4 or 5.. Maybe that's about normal when you are using bud? I know flame uses mostly hash, which would make it different, but we had never figured it would take us just eating so many more. At that point, there doesn't seem to be much bud being saved in doing this process. If we have to make a whole batch to get only 1.5 "hits" for the two of us, that's just going to burn it up too fast.

We do smoke a lot, so our tolerance is pretty high. Probably 6-7 bowls between us on a "busy" day, from spoons to gravity bongs. We can still get blitzed off the right stuff, and we thought we had that stuff this time. Maybe we just needed to make and eat more. Or get ourselves some hash or something. I'm not sure. I just know we're pretty much done for at least right now. :(

[Weedhound]

That's a bummer. I got to where I was using several grams a day (eating it....my lungs are too shot for smoking) so going to the capsules cut me back big time. I can get to where I want all day for a third of the ganja I was using before. It's made a big difference for me.

Well when you do have a surplus....try going with a few more capsules I think you really WILL like the results. ;)

[OZO]

I'm jealous, OZO. Even that last batch of ours that we were so excited about didn't end up working. We really don't know what the problem is, but because we have lost so much pot to this already, we're going to have to take a break from trying. We may try again sometime since we still have all of this coconut oil and capsules and such, but it might not be for a while.

We have tried to replicate everything that the directions say, and even after 2 revisions, it still didn't click, so we don't know what to do. If there are any suggestions or anything, we could keep them in mind for next time, whenever that might be. Sad :(

Well niltrog I am not an everyday smoker (more like 2-3 times a week) but one of my friends who took the capsules is and he was stoned as hell.

The weed I used was the BEST weed I have ever grown and maybe the best I have ever had. It was power plant, which is a commercial producer, but it turned out better than any strain I have tried. I said I used about 2.6 grams but I did not weigh the second batch so it could have been a little more I guess.

One more thing: I donâ??t really have the time to sit and watch these things cook so I left the mixture cooking in my crock-pot all night (almost 10 hours) maybe this helped.

[wasd555]

Cool guide, I like it. One question though - how long does the entire process take to make a handful of pills?

[MVP]

Here we go fellas, I am gonna make it simple for all of you out there that wanna try this out. Flameon is a total stud for going thru the effort and stress of keeping the thread alive and going strong.

Give Flameon major rep for all that he has done here for the CannCom community...

Here is what a typical MMJ patient or stoner needs:

1/8 of good weed
1 tablespoon of Coconut Oil (which = 14 grams of oil)
3 hours of time
1 Cannabis Grinder (some know it as a coffee bean grinder)
1 bag of 00 size gelatin capsules
1 crock pot
1 coffee cup
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expected results = 24 Canna Caps

BTW, I made mine with homegrow Blueberry..... yum!!

Overview:
20-30 minutes prep time
2 hours cook time
20-30 minutes finishing time

Step By Step:

Step 1: put the oil in the coffee cup, then set the coffee cup in the crockpot, put the lid on the crockpot and set it on High

Step 2: turn on the crockpot and get it warming up as you grind up the herb

Step 3: using the cannbis/coffee grinder, grind up the herb to a fine powder, then carefully scrape it into the warm Coco Oil in the coffee cup and stir the mixture, pushing all of the herb into the oil

Step 4: let the oil and herb cook together for an hour, then return to your oil and stir it for a minute.... then let it continue to cook

Step 5: return after another hour (1+1 = 2 hours total cook time), stir it up and remove the oil from the crockpot... use a pair of oven mitts so you don't burn your hands

Step 6: let it cool for a while but be sure to keep your eyes on the oil as Coco oil will solidify at room temp and you need it to be slightly less than solid to pour it into the caps

Step 7: pour the cooled oil into the gel caps, making sure that they are equal in measurement so they will be equal in dosage... if there is any 'gunk' in the bottom of the cup scrape it equally into the caps

Step 8: put them in the fridge or freezer for a while to set up.. I am not quite there yet so I can't tell you how long

NOTE: You can get really Fucked Up on edibles if you do not know what you are doing... read this thread from the beginning and pay attention. I would take 1 cap and wait 2 hours before taking another just to be sure...

MVP :jointsmile:

pic 1: blueberry I used
pic 2: another pic of blueberry used
pic 3: capsules from the health food store
pic 4: the crockpot in action
pic 5: the cannabis oil in the coffee cup is about ready :smokin:

[Weedhound]

Nice MVP! Mine seems to end up more of a yellowish color....I'm wondering if that's just the type of weed I'm using.....Master Kush.

[pikkapeppa]

great thread guys!

i have one question though. i made some of these today and had some of the bud residue on the bottom. i scraped it into two capsules that lack oil.

will these two capsules still be effective or has all of the thc transferred to the coconut oil?

Thanks! :smokin:

[Snorbel]

I'd like to post your recipe on my site Flameon, you would retain the credit and the copyright.

Please post if it's not okay. I can also link to here if you want me to.

[Flameon]

Hi Guys (and a slightly late 'Happy New Year!')

Great work on the timescale guide MVP (love the pictures too), bang on!
I've not had chance to try blueberry in a mix, how did they go?

Regarding the time question, I keep all my kit together in the same box (the coconut oil in the fridge), so it only takes me about five minutes to set up.
Then, once the oil is cooking you can just leave it to do its thing. So, although it'll take you about three hours from start to finish, most of that time you can just take it easy, go watch a film or something.
Filling the caps takes a little time (and practice), and is a bit easier if you have a holder, but even so we're only talking around ten minutes.


i have one question though. i made some of these today and had some of the bud residue on the bottom. i scraped it into two capsules that lack oil.

will these two capsules still be effective or has all of the thc transferred to the coconut oil?


I always take the time to include the residue because the plant material will have soaked up the THC rich oil and is therefore, still very potent (worth trying a batch 'with and without' for a side-by-side comparison - you'll notice the difference).

OZO - You're a star, I may need to get some 'powerplant' myself this year. Glad they went well for you (hope nobody put a Wii remote through your TV whilst under the influence - it's easily done lol)

Snorbel - Many thanks for the interest, please feel free to help yourself to whatever bits you think might be useful. I'll keep an eye out for it.

Catch you later :thumbsup:

[drinkmilk15]

Tried these a few weeks ago in my crock pot on low with bad results. Well..no results.

Tried again yesterday with some good but a little old weed on high and used a remote probe thermometer to constantly monitor the temp and make sure it didn't go above 285. this worked perfectly and i took them this morning and have been stoned all day.

Now i'm confident to try it with some good fresh strong bud and really see the potential.

thanks guys. :thumbsup: :smokin:

[tjcioffe]

flame, i gotta hand it to you, awesome post... ive read the whole thread 3 or 4 times now, and ive tried the recipe twice... and i cant seem to get it. ive taken up to 3 pills in a sitting of my first two runs with nothing more than a little buzz.

im using 1.5 grams of 420/oz weed that i ground twice... in 7 grams (1 and a half teaspoons) of coconut oil (12g sat fat per tbsp). making 12 capsules. first time i let simmer for 2 hours on low, 2nd time for 2 and a half hrs, just to make sure (thinking that maybe i didnt let it simmer for long enough)

however, then i wondered what the temps were in my crockpot. i have Amazon.com: Hamilton Beach 33141 4-Quart Oval Slow Cooker: Home & Garden (http://www.amazon.com/Hamilton-Beach-33141-4-Quart-Cooker/dp/B000A1FFPO/ref=pd_bbs_3?ie=UTF8&s=home-garden&qid=1199658336&sr=8-3) this hamilton beach cooker, and ive read on the internet that it runs a bit hot. the user guide says it will cook food at 200F no matter whether you put it on high or low, it just takes longer depending on the setting. after an hour on low, the inside of the crockpot was about 110C... not too hot by your instructions but still well above the recommended 80/90.

The room doesnt smell strongly of weed when i do my simmering, but it does smell as if i fired up the vape once or twice... and when i take the weed out a strong woosh of weed smell comes out of the crockpot once the lid's off. unfortunately, the "keep warm" setting doesnt seem to get above 50C on its own... so the question is, am i better off grabbing a new crockpot (like Amazon.com: Rival 5025WG 2-1/2-Quart Crockpot: Home & Garden (http://www.amazon.com/Rival-5025WG-2-1-2-Quart-Crockpot/dp/B00006IUXW/ref=pd_bbs_sr_9?ie=UTF8&s=home-garden&qid=1199658336&sr=8-9)) or is there some other avenue i should be trying?

thanks for all the help
-tc

[MVP]

... ive read the whole thread 3 or 4 times now, and ive tried the recipe twice... and i cant seem to get it. ive taken up to 3 pills in a sitting of my first two runs with nothing more than a little buzz.

I have to think that in your situation the herb is not being simmered/cooked/whatever you like to call it at a high enough temperature. In my post about 1/2 dozen above this I outlined a quick easy summary, recommending one cooks the oil on High.

Why you might ask? Because crock pots are notoriously difficult to control the cooking temperature :wtf: and even when cooked on High are designed to stay below 200 F or so.

The batch I made were sampled by my GF (I can't as I have a hair test to pass soon) and she said they were as good and strong as the brownies I make... which means a really nice, long lasting buzz.

This is a great recipe that works, so experiment and it will end up working for you. Look at the post above just yours and read what they experienced - similar but eventually successful.

BTW, I am just stepping in for Flame to get you a quick answer and encouragement. Now go start that new experiment... :D

MVP :jointsmile:

[tjcioffe]

haha ok cool MVP... i was hesitant to use my kief stash at first but i am currently warming up the crock as we speak. Im gonna use a gram of kief to see if I cant just get this to work. I love this recipe because it only uses a gram and a half at a time, while masterwu's gd recipe uses an eighth (and ive tried that 3 times with not so great success either, lol)

I will let you know how it goes (crossing my fingers)...

PS - do you think the kief would be better done on Low or High for this run?

thanks
-tc

[MVP]

Well candidly, I take educated risks. And here is how I see it: Since the first couple of runs were on Low and didn't get the job done, I would cook it on High. But that is just me. Besides, I like the word High quite a bit better than the word Low.

MVP :jointsmile:

[Weedhound]

Lol, I agree with MVP....the issue could be your crockpot. Lately I've been doing mine the "old fashioned" way and gotten better results. I use a candy thermometer to moniter temp and have found that if I keep the temp between 200 - 300F for about 20 mins (and I'll try letting it go longer as well but you have to stand there and watch it constantly) and have gotten much better results than with the crockpot. I honestly think it's my cheapy crockpot as MVP suggested.

[Flameon]

Tried again yesterday with some good but a little old weed on high and used a remote probe thermometer to constantly monitor the temp and make sure it didn't go above 285. this worked perfectly and i took them this morning and have been stoned all day.

Now i'm confident to try it with some good fresh strong bud and really see the potential.

thanks guys. :thumbsup: :smokin:

Hi Drinkmilk - Glad to hear you cracked it, nice job and keep up the good work :thumbsup:

tjcioffe - I'm in agreement with MVP and Weedhound, although your question has given me something to think about.
I tend to switch between two crock pots depending on what I'm making and have been fortunate not to come across any difference between the two in terms of results. I don't however, have a separate thermometer to accurately test the temperatures of each (something I think I'll now have to get hold of).

One of the reasons for originally advising the use of the 'low heat' setting was to avoid confusing people who may have read about cooking weed with a 'high heat' in other threads and be tempted to 'overcook' their weed by other methods and potentially reduce their available THC content.

The fact is, as far as using 'crock pots' goes there should only be a marginal difference between 'low' and 'high' settings (roughly about 10 to 20 degrees centigrade), so if in doubt - I would go with 'high' setting.
N.B. Typically, the heating element heats the contents to a steady temperature in the 175â??200°F (80â??95°C) range - 'low' is generally 80 to 90, and 'high' is about 90 to 100°C.

A couple of technical points that might be worth considering are:

1.) Could the container your using for the oil be resistant (ish) to heat and slowing down the time it takes for the oil to reach optimum temperature i.e around 90/100 degrees?

2.) Also, normally, in a crock pot liquid (H2O) is present which helps to evenly distribute the heat, it may be that some crock pots have 'hot' or 'cold' spots depending on where the heating element is placed which may also slow down the oil reaching the correct temperature.

3.) The lack of a liquid with a 100 degrees C boiling point being present (i.e. water) also means that it is possible that some crock pots may run quite 'hot' (I'd be curious to know what the highest temperatures are that people have recorded).

p.s. As mentioned earlier in the thread, an oven is Ok too if your not confident about your Crock pot's performance.

Hope this (rather long and dull) explanation helps some

Cheers
flame :jointsmile:

[tjcioffe]

holy mother of god. tried the kief on high for 2 hours the other night. the first one i took had me feeling relaxed for a few hours. i took the second the next day and it knocked me on my ass for like 4 hours. i was just sitting there in a daze for awhile, and all of a sudden i looked up and it was 3 hours later.

so, success. thanks for all the help guys =)

[Weedhound]

LOL! I love it. :D

[MVP]

Glad to help ya out tjcioffe - another testimonial from a satisfied customer! :stoned:

Those damn crockpots can be so tempermental, I'm glad you hung in there and found out what these things are all about!

[tjcioffe]

yeah im gonna try a run with bud maybe tonight, havent had a chance to do another one since the kief capsules... i think im gonna try playing with the temperature, the high for 2 hours seemed awfully hot and made the room pretty stinky by the time it was done... maybe ill warm up on high for 30-45 mins, then put in the bud, do 30 mins on high, switch it down to low 30 mins, then stir and put back to high for 30 and then low for the final 30. sound ok to you guys?

and one more thing... i have a decent amount of duff that has been piling up ever since i got my volcano... any insight on whether or not the recipe could be changed to use duff instead of bud? (i realize youd have to use more duff then bud, but any idea how much more?)

thanks again guys... this board has done wonders for my pot/science hobby =P

[MVP]

tjcioffe - I think your idea of High/Low/High/Low sounds like a good experiment. Regarding the duff..... dunno never used it myself. Heard from others it works in brownies. Maybe Flame will know when he checks in... I'd suggest you give him some rep and ask him to post an answer in this thread.

[simplesmok]

I've tried this recipe three times and just can't seem to get it to work. I'm starting to get discouraged as I'm wasting weed but I'm trying to stay optimistic.

The first batch I cooked on low in the crockpot for 2 hrs using just under 2g of regs for the 12 pills. Took 2 no effect. The next night I took 3 still nothing. I saw somewhere in the thread where it was suggested to try re-cooking them for an extra hour w/a little bit more oil and bud. Still nothing.

The second batch I only made 6 pills and cooked it for 2.5 hrs instead of 2. Again took 3, and again nothing.

The last batch I made using some pretty good mids. I went out and bought a thermometer and upped the crockpot to high. The temp stayed around 185/190F. I kept it going for a little over 2 hrs. Again, took 2 and felt nothing. I tried recooking this batch as well, throwing in a little bit of kief. This time I went out for a few hours and left it going. I took 2. After 2 hrs I felt nothing so popped the last 2. Still nothing!

Do you think it could be the quality of the weed? Any other suggestions for getting this to work?


BTW, I'm a newb...well a lurker who finally posted. Hi :)

[medman12]

I'm gonna try this recipe this weekend. I have the 00 gelatin capsules and have a question. Right now the capsules separate easily. What do I need to do to them after i have the oil in them to get them to stay shut?

[MVP]

After you fill them (meaning after the oil is cool enough to not melt the capsules) you put the top on and press them together firmly. That is all I did and it worked perfectly. You might even practice on an empty one so you see how it feels. Good luck and enjoy.

[Flameon]

yeah im gonna try a run with bud maybe tonight, havent had a chance to do another one since the kief capsules... i think im gonna try playing with the temperature, the high for 2 hours seemed awfully hot and made the room pretty stinky by the time it was done... maybe ill warm up on high for 30-45 mins, then put in the bud, do 30 mins on high, switch it down to low 30 mins, then stir and put back to high for 30 and then low for the final 30. sound ok to you guys?

and one more thing... i have a decent amount of duff that has been piling up ever since i got my volcano... any insight on whether or not the recipe could be changed to use duff instead of bud? (i realize youd have to use more duff then bud, but any idea how much more?)

thanks again guys... this board has done wonders for my pot/science hobby =P

Hi guys! Don't you just hate it when you write a long detailed answer and click submit only for canna.com to go down and you lose it all? :mad:

Ok, I'll try again..
tjcioffe, great work and a good idea!
I'm with you regarding swapping the temperatures from high to low and back, especially as it sounds like your crock pot may be running too high. It always worries me if people report a strong smell after cooking.

simplesmoke - First post? Welcome to the forums!
Sorry to hear you've had problems, maybe the recent 'troubleshooting' posts will help. Without knowing more it can be difficult to guess, but the obvious answer would be to check your crock pot or the strength of your weed (I try to avoid using regs for this very reason). In your case you mention a temperature of 185/190F which although fine, is only slightly above the THC melting point. It may be that your crock pot is slow to reach maximum temperature, and therefore when it drops (i.e. when you take the lid off to check the temp or stir the oil), its taking a long time to recover and therefore not reaching its full potential. If you think that sounds possible, perhaps you might have more success in following the 'oven method'?
Anyhow, good luck and cheers
flame :thumbsup:

[simplesmok]

Thanks for your response Flameon. I get what your saying about the temp dropping when I stir/check except that the last time when I put the stuff back in to cook again I left the house and kept it going for a good 4-5hrs or so without opening it. If the temp dropping is the problem shouldn't those have worked?

I'm thinking I'll try the oven except that my regular oven is ancient (from the 60s-70s) and I doubt it gets to any temp that it is supposed to. Would a toaster oven be sufficient?

If I just wanted to make 2-3 pills to test it how much bud/oil would you recommend?

Thanks!






simplesmoke - First post? Welcome to the forums!
Sorry to hear you've had problems, maybe the recent 'troubleshooting' posts will help. Without knowing more it can be difficult to guess, but the obvious answer would be to check your crock pot or the strength of your weed (I try to avoid using regs for this very reason). In your case you mention a temperature of 185/190F which although fine, is only slightly above the THC melting point. It may be that your crock pot is slow to reach maximum temperature, and therefore when it drops (i.e. when you take the lid off to check the temp or stir the oil), its taking a long time to recover and therefore not reaching its full potential. If you think that sounds possible, perhaps you might have more success in following the 'oven method'?
Anyhow, good luck and cheers
flame :thumbsup:

[Flameon]

Thanks for your response Flameon. I get what your saying about the temp dropping when I stir/check except that the last time when I put the stuff back in to cook again I left the house and kept it going for a good 4-5hrs or so without opening it. If the temp dropping is the problem shouldn't those have worked?

I'm thinking I'll try the oven except that my regular oven is ancient (from the 60s-70s) and I doubt it gets to any temp that it is supposed to. Would a toaster oven be sufficient?

If I just wanted to make 2-3 pills to test it how much bud/oil would you recommend?

Thanks!

Ah, in that case, it may be the other extreme that might be causing you a problem.
Here's a similar question and answer I gave earlier that might help:


Hey flame great guide here, i especially like the small portion. I have a few questions though.
Id like to make a single dose and was wondering if you had any advice about making such a small amount and if you think it would be wasteful to make any smaller amount than you've suggested. Also could you confirm my measurements?

Here is my plan. Your recipe divided by 4 so 3.75g of coconut oil and about .5g of good bud. Ill use a slow cooker and because its such a small amount ill put the oil and ground up bud in a coffee mug inside the cooker set to low and cook it for at least 2 hours.

Also if time is not important is it possible to cook it to long? or the longer the better? Is there a time i should not exceed? And is a coffee grinder effective or would i loose to many "goodies" the techranomes or whatever.?

Thanks a lot, and your advice will be greatly appreciated.

Hi Alotsa, and good question

Assuming your confident about the THC content of your bud, 0.5 of a gram is fine (it's a good way to get the technique down without risking too much weed). As for cooking, the trick is getting the crock pot or cooker hot enough to melt the resin, but not so hot that it damages or degrades the potency of the weed.
Again, if your happy your 'hitting' the right temperature range don't 'overcook it' two or three hours is fine, but I have some reservations about going too much further beyond that, as some anecdotal evidence suggests it may weaken potency.
A coffee grinder is fine, also, someone in another thread mentioned using a pestle and mortar which I hadn't thought of before, and sounds like a good suggestion.

The toasting oven might not be a bad idea (but do watch out for a strong smell after the first hour, you may need to regulate it up or down as needed), the above advice was given in respect of using 'good bud', if your a bit dubious about the potency of what your using (regs, I think you said) you might want to increase it to 0.7 or 0.8.

I'll keep my fingers crossed for you.

[simplesmok]

Thanks again for your reply Flameon.

I only let it cook for the extended time period once, and those were pills that didn't work so I squeezed them out and recooked (as I saw you suggest to someone previously) them with a little more oil/bud.

I'll try a single batch in the toaster oven with some mids tomorrow and see what happens.

Thanks again!

[Flameon]

p.s. I forgot to ask earlier, but your weed is cured and dry I take it?
If not, give it 15 minutes in the oven first before you cut/powder/grind it up. Same temperature.

[simplesmok]

p.s. I forgot to ask earlier, but your weed is cured and dry I take it?
If not, give it 15 minutes in the oven first before you cut/powder/grind it up. Same temperature.

I just threw in a small batch using .7g of mids and just under a tsp of coconut oil. It looked to be just about a 50/50 mix.

I took your advice and put the bud in the oven first. I also threw in a tiny nug to smoke to see if I noticed any difference. It was really dried by this point so it wasn't the best for smoking but I can say that I can feel a notable difference. (After 3 hits the helicopter passing by sounds like its in my bedroom.) It was also so much easier to grind (I don't have a coffee grinder). I used my cheapy plastic grinder and then ran a knife through it a couple of times. It was the finest I've ever gotten it, looked like a fine powder with a few tiny pieces thrown in.

I used the toaster oven this time, set at 250F. After melting the oil (before throwing the bud) I checked the temp of the oil and it was @ about 198F. I'm going to check it at 30 mins and then let it be from there.

I'm hoping this batch works. I have a good feeling :thumbsup: (maybe because I'm high.)

Also, I was planning to make 3 caps with this and take them all later tonight. Do you think that would be good or should I only take two?

[tjcioffe]

an update on the high/low experiment -- it doesnt seem to have worked as well as simply cooking on high for 2 hours did. well, to be fair, i went back to bud this time... so, one final experiment: bud on high for two hours. this should remove the possibility that kief was what made the capsules work last time (i really really hope it does lol).

after i get this working, ill start messing around with using duff and let you all know if i get any tangible results.

oh, and edit for clarification-- high/low batch: 1 capsule had me lightheaded for like an hour... 2 had me feeling somewhat high but a friend felt nothing... 3 this morning had me feeling good for about 3 or 4 hours... so not a complete failure, but not the resounding success of my last batch.

[simplesmok]

I just threw in a small batch using .7g of mids and just under a tsp of coconut oil. It looked to be just about a 50/50 mix.

I took your advice and put the bud in the oven first. I also threw in a tiny nug to smoke to see if I noticed any difference. It was really dried by this point so it wasn't the best for smoking but I can say that I can feel a notable difference. (After 3 hits the helicopter passing by sounds like its in my bedroom.) It was also so much easier to grind (I don't have a coffee grinder). I used my cheapy plastic grinder and then ran a knife through it a couple of times. It was the finest I've ever gotten it, looked like a fine powder with a few tiny pieces thrown in.

I used the toaster oven this time, set at 250F. After melting the oil (before throwing the bud) I checked the temp of the oil and it was @ about 198F. I'm going to check it at 30 mins and then let it be from there.

I'm hoping this batch works. I have a good feeling :thumbsup: (maybe because I'm high.)

Also, I was planning to make 3 caps with this and take them all later tonight. Do you think that would be good or should I only take two?



It ended up making 4 caps filled to the brim. 2 weighed at 1.2g each, and the other 2 at 1.1g each. Anyone have suggestion on how many I should take? I plan to take them at the rink after my hockey practice (Ahh I love the stealthiness). I'm going to stay and watch the game after and should be home about 1hr 20 minutes after taking them. I hope to spend the rest of the night on the couch. :)

I checked the temp after 45 minutes and it was at 219. I checked it again when I took it out after the 2 hrs and the temp was 235F. I'm hoping heat was the issue as I never recorded anything over 195F in the crockpot.

[MVP]

I would suggest that you take 1, wait for 90 minutes to see how it affects you, then take another at the 2 hour mark if you are not feeling it enough.

My GF took 1 of the capsules I made from 1/8 mids and she felt good for several hours. The 1/8 mids made 24 capsules.

Doing the math:

3.5 gr = 24 capsules
3.5 gr /24 caps = .146 gr/cap

In your situation:

.7 gr = 4 caps
.7 gr / 4 caps = .175 gr/cap

I would not take more than 2 at any time, unless you have a lot of experience with edibles. Be sure to come back and post your story of what happened. Good luck and have fun!

[simplesmok]

I ended up taking two as soon as my hockey practice was done (6pm). I ate a granola bar with it. I didn't really eat much today and after a hockey workout I'm starving. I'm trying my hardest not to mow down.

It's now 20 after 7 and I've got a pretty sweet high going. My boyfriend and his friend each took 1. I walked in the door and they both looked up and me and said "I'm high!"
My bf's friend is an everyday smoker and about 280lbs. He said one or two more and he would be blazed beyond belief.

I'm super happy that it finally worked. Thanks for your help flame and mvp!

[b0n3ZA]

flameon!
This post is awesome :> Great, intuitive and informative work, buddy!
Thanks all the way from Africa :D

[simplesmok]

So it turned out to be a great night. By 12 I couldn't keep my eyes open any longer and hit the sack. I had a steady high going all night. I ate dinner @ about 9 (stuffed shells..yum) and shortly after my high got better. It wasnt as much as a couch lock as I expected but it was pleasant none the less. Two gave me a long pleasant high. I think next time that I don't have anything going on the next morning I will take 3, I like to be truly blazed.

I'll be cooking up another batch today!

[SmAsH]

i was just wondering some stuff

i dont have a balance so is there any other way to calculate the weight of oil i had??
i know this question is kind of stupid but still..


I'm interested giving a try with a quato and even an ounce but i would like to know if i need to add more cooking time when cooking with bigger quantity...

So far, i've brought the capsule, i have the crock pot, i got stach but i cannot find the coconut oil stuff at the grocery. So could you tell me how to make ghee...just to be sure...


ty a lot in advance!:)

[PlantHeadJ]

This is fantastic. I have a mini crock pot for dips and it's roughly the size of a coffe cup and i'm starting a batch now. i'll keeep y'all posted on my trials and......

[Flameon]

Guys, I just wanted to say a big, big thank you to all the people who've taken the time to give this method a try and then post up their experiences, especially to those guys who've stuck with it despite running into problems on their first attempts.

It's mostly down to your hard work (and persistence) that we've managed to create a really comprehensive guide, including some excellent 'troubleshooting' advice and information.

I don't think I expected this thread to attract much attention, especially as it involves a fair bit of preparation and ingredients etc. But, thanks to some really 'pioneering' work from a number of you guys, it's really taken off and you've shown just how possible it is to get really great results from small quantities of weed.

Great job and cheers! :thumbsup:

p.s.
simplesmok, nice work!
Getting enough 'product' from less than three quarters of a gram (0.7 g), to get three people high, just shows how well you've cracked the technique (from 'mids' too!).

tjcioffe, keep up the good work and let me know how you get on, I'm especially interested to hear if you get 'duff' working for you.

MVP - You are my ambassador of quan man! Thanks.

SmAsH, a level teaspoon equals about 5ml if that helps. Also, don't worry about cooking larger amounts for longer, assuming your hitting the right temperature, 2 or 3 hours should be fine. Although, I would suggest you start off with a smaller amount at first until your sure your crock pot/oven is doing 'it's thing' correctly.

b0n3ZA & PlantHeadJ, thanks for the kind words and welcome to the party, let us know how you get on and feel free to post up any questions.

Thanks again guys and cheers
Flame :jointsmile:

[Flameon]

To make Ghee just take a stick or two of regular butter (preferably unsalted), and gently heat in a pan.
Once melted the butter will start to froth (from the milk, water and other impurities), just skim off the froth with a spoon until your left with a clear golden oil.

When you take the pan off the heat the oil will set just like regular butter, but will keep for a couple of years assuming you store it in the fridge.
Just use when needed.

[Flameon]

p.p.s. Sorry if this is a bit random, but b0n3ZA, about your avatar, is that 'Canadian Mountie' the one that's outside 'Starbucks' in Niagara falls by any chance?

[BlazinINthe617]

:(I filled the capsuls with the oil and a little bit of the gunk that was left over in the bottem of the coffe cup that i used, i took 1 and nouthing happend so i took some more(6 in total) after 2 hours of feeling nouthing but a little light headdness, i did everything u said to do unless i was supposta put the gunk in with the oil, please let me know. I havnt givin up ether i will continue to try this untill i get it right!


Thanks

[OZO]

This is fantastic. I have a mini crock pot for dips and it's roughly the size of a coffe cup and i'm starting a batch now. i'll keeep y'all posted on my trials and......

You might want to put some water in there and see what temperature it reaches before cooking your weed. I have a suspicion that the mini crock-pot might not get hot enough to effectively extract the psychoactives.

[imitator]

You might want to put some water in there and see what temperature it reaches before cooking your weed. I have a suspicion that the mini crock-pot might not get hot enough to effectively extract the psychoactives.

I had a little crock pot that came with my big crock pot, and I had thought the same thing as he did. But when I checked online, at least my version, was only meant to keep things warm, it didnt reach anywhere near the proper temps for using for this, sadly.

[simplesmok]

For what its worth...

The first time I took these caps was right after an intense hockey practice. I think this must have kicked up my metabolism because the caps hit me in about an hour. I took some tonight, after a day of sitting in classes, and they took over 2hr 15min to kick in.

Just a thought for anyone trying to get them to kick in faster, try upping activity or working out before taking them. I could be totally off but it's worth a shot I guess.

[Rock.Steady]

AWESOME AND THANK YOU!
I will try this after a nice harvest.

[MVP]

Rock, you are gonna love these things! They are easy to make, easy to keep (freezer) and easy to use discreetly.

Can it get much better than that? :wtf:

I think not.......

[Rock.Steady]

MVP,
I agree, now i have one more (better) reason to go buy that cheapo crock pot from Big Lots:thumbsup:

now, if i could build that time machine so i can go into the future, harvest, and bring back a big ole bag o nug and get grindin:D

my buddy has a grinder w a keef screen.
i'll be borrowing that fo'sho':D

[GlassNBrass]

hey guys, i just wanted to bestow a bit of information i have gathered over the past week.

i made a batch (24 caps) with ground up bud (mids), made exactly like in Flame's original post. they sucked. waste of weed. but taking one for the team, i tried again.

this time i used a coffee grinder to powder my bud (same green as before). made them exactly as in Flame's first post. they rocked hard... fucking annihilated my ass! one of my dealers was so impressed she gave me weed to make her some "meds"!

i believe it is you must grind the shit with a bean grinder, not a regular weed grinder. it gets it ground up better, so there isn't anything but bud with the consistency of fine coffee grounds.

just sharing my success!

[Flameon]

they rocked hard... fucking annihilated my ass! one of my dealers was so impressed she gave me weed to make her some "meds"!

Great job and thanks for posting back how you got on!


i believe it is you must grind the shit with a bean grinder, not a regular weed grinder. it gets it ground up better, so there isn't anything but bud with the consistency of fine coffee grounds.

just sharing my success!

Good info! If you don't have a coffee grinder (or even pepper grinder), a pestle and mortar is not a bad alternative.
It's easier if you're using well cured and dried bud, if in doubt, give it ten minutes in an oven preheated to gas mark 1 (roughly 275 F - 135 C) before you grind/chop it.

[chisme]

EXCELLENT GUIDE.

cant wait to try,

also instead of buying a capsule holder you could just grab a peice of polystyrene and poke small adequatly shaped holes .