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Bloooo

03-16-2008, 09:05 PM

Finally tried this process last night for the first time. First of all, I'd like to extend a world of big, squishy hugs to Flameon (<3) for providing the awesome instructions! THANK YOU!

This was so much fun, you guys. I think they turned out great. Probably not as potent as Flame's, but maybe. I didn't print the measurements and ended up with about 4 teaspoons of powdered bud to about 3/4 c of clarified butter. (Don't make me do conversion math after 20 hours of partying, please.) Also, the butter clarification could have been more thorough, but it wasn't too bad. We strained it through a paper towel.

One capsule seems to give a lighter buzz than I wanted, but lasted for hours. We ended up making about 50 capsules total. I gave 12 to my friend who has fibromyalgia. The rest I divvied up between all of us (about 5 each for them and keeping a huge, selfish number for myself since I masterminded the whole thing and since it was my weed, haha). Nicole helped me like we were lab partners and had an awesome time playing mad scientist, so she got 12 also.

I took another 1.5 capsules today (one was only half-filled for some reason) and I've had a sort of middle-grade, even buzz all day. It's really nice. Next batch, I plan to stick closer to Flameon's measurements for more potency, but all in all, I think my first batch is a great success. I am so excited and pleased with the whole process and the resulting capsules.

Here's a few pics:
2.5 hrs @ 175-200 degrees F (http://www.hylidaea.com/031507/P1120014.JPG)

Filling up the capsules (http://www.hylidaea.com/031507/P1120030.JPG)

Decided to start a jar of dragon juice. (http://www.hylidaea.com/031507/P1120028.JPG) The stems and some leaf were ground up and mixed in. Brandy was all I had for this. Next time I'll use something with a higher alcohol content. I'm going to let that soak for a few weeks and see what happens.

Part of the THC butter was used for brownies (http://www.hylidaea.com/031507/P1120027.JPG)

Again, big, big thanks to Flameon! :D:hippy::jointsmile::thumbsup::smokin:

ehokid

03-16-2008, 09:37 PM

What is your process for decarbing? Just part of that time in the oven at 325? Or did you actually do a decarbing process?

Oh, and when you said that you had yours at 325 the whole time - how long was that?

To decarb it, I just broke it up as fine as possible and spread it out on a sheet of tinfoil and then put that into the oven at 325 for 20 minutes. Then I took it out and dumped it into clarified butter and then put that back into the oven at 325 for around 2 and a half hours.

Bloooo

03-17-2008, 01:04 AM

I wanted to mention that if you have trouble finding the empty capsules, just go to Walmart and buy the cheapest herbal supplement in the size caps you want, making sure they're gelatine, and then just empty the capsules out by hand. Not ideal, but a good workaround. Make sure it's something like echinacea, something that won't hurt anyone if traces are left in the caps.

wingedson

03-17-2008, 06:23 AM

I haven't hit the Ganja in 5 years, I got to a point in smoking where I just wasn't getting high and enjoying myself, it was more of a "I have to have it" kind of thing. My birthday is coming up in 9 days, so I thought I would celebrate with an eighter of some purple nugs a friend of mine grows. I am making some FlameOn style caps as we speak, the oil and herb is cookin away. Pan and bowl method, keep it at a real low simmer for about 2 and a half hours. I am tempted to take a toke while I cook. I am going to be ridiculously high if I do. I think it would be good to do before I take one of these caps though! Anyway I will let u know how it works. I don't want to smoke really, I am a singer, my voice is my instrument.:thumbsup:

massivewhite

03-17-2008, 08:37 AM

AstronomyDomine

03-17-2008, 09:08 PM

Flameon, great recipe. This is the only one I've been using

slightlystoopid27

03-18-2008, 12:35 AM

ya definately an awesome recipe. i tried it with about a half a gram of good quality weed and i stoned all day. no joke it started to hit me at 9 am and i was feeling it pretty good when i went to sleep wich was at 1130pm.

Bloooo

03-18-2008, 11:01 AM

So i got three questions that I hope anyone will feel free to answer.

My first question is how long do these capsules keep (should they be kept in the fridge or can you leave them out in room tempuratre), I assume they last a long time but i might be wrong, second is do they smell of weed, and third is what do you guys to with your steams and leaves?

The third one is more like a poll, personally I use them to make Green Dragon.
I don't know how long they'll keep. I imagine it would be quite a while.

They can be kept at room temperature if you use gelatin capsules.

I use my stems and some leaf for dragon juice and smoke or vaporize some of the leaf.

BurnhardLonger

03-18-2008, 04:12 PM

Wondering if the temp. goes up when u ad the bud to oil and HOW MUCH?!?!THANKS!!!
I had thought of the heat gun .Good to hear it works.Got a jig to hold a mason jar (small) .First time making caps. ,get ready now.

Bizarz

03-18-2008, 05:54 PM

So seeing this thread made me join the website and try this out.

I know this is my first post so also Hello to all.

I modified the recipe a bit.

I used a tablespoon of ground up Ganja and a table spoon of coconut oil.

We used the slowcooker to get to 230 it took half an hour (that included melting the coconut oil and bring it up to temperature. I did this with the slow cooker on high.

We then put the dope in the oil and stirred it. I watched the temperature and on high it was a bit above 250. So I moved it to low and it sat at around 240 for the whole process.

We let it sit for 3 hours in toatal and stirred it on the hour.

After it was complete we transefered the oil into a teacup that we covered with aluminium foil. We then put it in the freezer.

We didn't have capsuls so the Foil allowed us to pull out the frozen oil and cut it into 8 even peices. We then had two each.

The results were quite nice, I was blasted until around 12 the next day. We took the oil around 6pm and it hit us about an hour and a half afterwards.

It was quite a pleasent experience, but we had smoked, drank and ate a bunch as well.

I will try it completly sober and update. Overall though it was excellent!

Weedhound

03-18-2008, 06:47 PM

well excellent is pretty good.....:D

Bizarz

03-18-2008, 09:33 PM

Now that I have a bit more time I can elaborate on my experience in a bit greater detail.

As far as cooking went it did have a bit of a smell, mostly by the slowcooker but it was barely noticible if you came into the apartment from outside.

Since we were taking the oil without the capsules we used a teacup that we covered in Aluminum Foil. This allowed us to take the solidified oil out without it sticking to the tea cup.

I have to say that the taste wasn't exactly what I expected. Sort of like a dirty bong actually. But we soon realised we could cut the oil into smaller peices and just swallow it whole.

A tablespoon of Ganja and a tablespoon of oil gave us what I would consider 8 capsuls and a freind and I each had 2.

We had previously smoked and drank some beer and rum so we were coming into the experiement considerably messed up by the time the capsules hit (which was an hour and a half into the experiment).

We had ate dumplings just before so we did have food in the stomach. The high was very pleasant. Clearly diffrent from smoking as it was a real body buzz but I personally found it to be quite relaxing and sort of overwhellming. It was difficult to get up and do anything after they had kicked in and I found myself super focused on the Hockey game. With time passing very quickly.

About two hours after they kicked in we ate once more (Homemade Hotpot which was incredible by the way). And I found the high to get quite a bit more intense. The food really kicked it up.

After several hours we smoked a big joint and that kicked it in again. Overall it just lasted and lasted and lasted.

Since my first post I spoke to my freind and he agreed the experience overall was good. He was baked the next day until dinner.

We both smoke quite a bit about 4 times a week or so, and we found the equivlent of 2 capsule to be more then sufficient.

This will be a great way to not only save money on Ganja but also help save the lungs.

I intend to try it again this weekend but without smoking or drinking first. I will then update everyone again on the effects.

While it is quite a bit diffrent from smoking, it is really an amazing feeling (Although I will still smoke as it is a very diffrent high).
:jointsmile:

Flameon

03-19-2008, 11:01 AM

Wow, great work guys!
I can't believe how much this thread has grown recently, and I just wanted to drop in and say 'thanks' for some really excellent contributions (especially from the new guys).

Bloooo, very nice job and great pics too.
I'm glad to hear they worked out well for you.
Someone recently suggested using a piece of polystyrene with holes in it as a holder (I have a home made one that I use as a storage tray in the fridge). I'd recommend having a go at making one, as you'll find it easier to fill your capsules than doing it by hand (saves time too). :thumbsup:

massivewhite, assuming you've made your capsules using clarified butter (ghee) or coconut oil, they'll last for several months (possibly years). I tend to store mine in the fridge, and recently took some from a batch I made over six months ago with no loss of potency (if anything they were stronger than I remembered).

Bizarz, Hi and welcome to the forums.
Impressive work, especially for your first attempt, I'm looking forward to hearing how the next one goes. :thumbsup:

Flameon

03-19-2008, 11:39 AM

I've been doing some tests recently and wondered if any other members might be able to contribute?

Simply put, I've been experimenting with eating different types and amounts of food (before and after taking the capsules) to see if and how the 'high' could be prolonged or enhanced.

Interestingly, the most measurable success I've had has flown in the face of conventional wisdom, i.e. 'you should take them on an empty stomach'.

I've run the same iteration of a particular test four times now, using myself and various friends as 'guinea pigs', and every time the result has been dramatic.

We used identical capsules all made from the same batch, first on empty stomachs at 4pm (having only eaten breakfast) and measured the results (duration, strength, effects etc), then a week later (to allow tolerance to return to a baseline), took the same dose again at 4pm, but this time after all having a large lunch (between 12 and 1pm).
On each occasion (and unanimously), the effects, strength and duration of the 'high' was increased by a considerable margin.

So far, all our experiments support that eating a decent sized meal around three hours before taking the capsules significantly increases the potency of the results.

I think it must be related to the fact that the digestive system has already prepared enzymes for the intravenous absorption of the first meal, and therefore this allows greater bio-availability of the THC. Combine that with the conversion of the THC into Delta 9 THC (a stronger version) via the 'first pass' through the liver, and the overall potency is significantly higher.

If anyone out there wants to give it a try, I'd be very keen to hear how you get on.
Ideally, you should use capsules from an identical batch, and try first on an empty stomach, and then a week, or at least a few days later (to give your metabolism a chance to reset), try again three hours after eating a meal and measure the difference in results. Post back with your observations.
Hey, and remember we're advancing medical science here, one day there may even be a statue named after us lol :thumbsup:

Bloooo

03-19-2008, 01:12 PM

Wow, great work guys!
I can't believe how much this thread has grown recently, and I just wanted to drop in and say 'thanks' for some really excellent contributions (especially from the new guys).

Bloooo, very nice job and great pics too.
I'm glad to hear they worked out well for you.
Someone recently suggested using a piece of polystyrene with holes in it as a holder (I have a home made one that I use as a storage tray in the fridge). I'd recommend having a go at making one, as you'll find it easier to fill your capsules than doing it by hand (saves time too). :thumbsup:

Thanks. I ordered a filler tray and capsules, but they still have not arrived. :( So the manual filling one by one was kind of a pain, but not that bad of a workaround. We got something like 50 capsules done in less than an hour. Should be super fast next time if I get my tray or make a styrofoam one.

Thanks again for providing those excellent instructions. :1baa:

Weedhound

03-19-2008, 01:55 PM

I'm wondering if that's why taking a pop of coffee in the morning tends to bring your buzz back as well. A bit of caffeine to get everything moving.......hmmmm...

I shall conduct some expirements myself and submit my findings. :D

sactownpmpn

03-19-2008, 06:25 PM

Hey flameon i treid makin these last night with a lightweight chip on my shoulder thinkin they wouldnt work. i did the stove top method and used that good ol' cali hash. i didnt have all the supplies so i made wit what i had. your werent BS'n when you told us how strong they were (although i thought i was tight and took nine of the damn things) i was messed up for awile. but my question is, is there anyway to fill the capsule with the hash oil before we want to take em. for instance lets say i wanted to make 100 of em to "give away" later. how can i do that without the capsules melting? while filling the capsules i had to make sure i did it quick because the capsules started to dissolve. or am i just going to have to keep em in the fridge until there induced?

Bizarz

03-19-2008, 10:11 PM

Hey Flame;

We ate about an hour or so before we took the Capsuls and we got quite messed up.

However after we ate again later on the effects got even stronger. I think with food in the stomach it starts the digestive process which makes the oil kick in faster.

Opie Yutts

03-20-2008, 12:29 AM

hmmm, interesting. I know with pain meds they don't even hardly work if I take them with food. Maybe it's not the same with weed. I guess I'll have to try some with food now.

TYCO118

03-20-2008, 04:05 AM

i made these today n it took 4 pills for me to feel n e thing and it wasnt that much. i dont think the water was hot enough, im gonna try again tomorrow

TYCO118

03-20-2008, 04:08 AM

Weedhound

03-20-2008, 04:15 AM

Honestly tyco I use both kinds with no problems.....the gelatin ones will dissolve in water but other than that. There shouldn't be any water involved in the recipe.

Sounds like the issue is that the mixture is too hot when put in the caps.

TYCO118

03-20-2008, 08:16 AM

ok well i still havent made a successful batch i think i need to cook it for longer

Mcnizzlebery

03-20-2008, 02:45 PM

Weedhound

03-20-2008, 06:39 PM

That's the exact problems that vilo was having. I don't have an answer for it.....except try different heat strengths and find out what works for you.

Opie Yutts

03-20-2008, 10:15 PM

I feel for you man. I'm in the same boat, except nobody else has tried mine. I have a huge tolerance for everything, and have had since I was a baby. Bigger people need to take bigger doses for the same effect. I firmly believe that I just have not hit the magic number for temperature, or I am doing something wrong. I know from experience that when you cook correctly, the experience is awesome. Much different, better, longer, and cleaner feeling than smoking. Don't give up. I think you need to experiment with times, temperatures, or weed variety/quantity. Everybody's cooker, body, and weed is different.

vileoxidation

03-22-2008, 03:39 AM

Ok i have a problem. I have gotten many people high with these pills but no matter how much i take i cant get more then a slight body buzz. All the people i gave these too are passing out and saying that these are really intense. Now im a big dude, 250 pounds do you think this may have something to do with it? Plus i have some weird stomach problems like acid reflux. Im really not shure but its depressing to see other people getting to the place i crafted for them while im stuck on the ground. Any knowledge about this (if there is any) would be greatly appriciated.
:rasta:

Yeah, like Weedhound said, exactly our situation...we decided to stop trying altogether after the last batch bombed for us again even though every friend has been knocked off their asses. None of them smoke like we do, so we think that must be it...its so annoying!!!

JaySin

03-22-2008, 05:05 AM

Well, I just got done reading through this thread fairly thoroughly. I did skip about 5 pages though, (13-17) but I think I got all the info I need.

So far I've ordered the capsules and a cap-m-quick tray. So I just need to wait for that to arrive. Then I'll try and find a bag to try out this recipe.

I've always wanted to cook something, but wasn't really interested in things like firecrackers and didn't really want to make brownies. This is probably the perfect thing because I can take it while I'm eating or whenever without having to smoke. That and eating seems to increase the high instead of bring you down.

Thanks, Flameon. Can't wait till I get to try this out.

STIMPY21

03-22-2008, 02:54 PM

I f*cked up!! I fell asleep after rapid fire vape hits, I staggered to bed and forgot to cut the oven off, leaving the coconut oil and herb in the heat over 8 hours at 300 f. it looks the same and I will try 2 00 caps in a little while and see what happens.
STIMPY21

STIMPY21

03-22-2008, 06:03 PM

Ok here is what happened, I went out of it last night after multiple vape hits of some really good mids, forgetting that I had some cocooil/weed for caps in the oven. I jerked awake flipping out about leaving the oven on all night, ran into the kitchen expecting it to be burnt up or something. It was a little darker than usual, but no unusual smell or any other differences from the way it has been in the past. I did grind up a little finer though. So any ways I let it harden in the fridge then mashed it up so that it is fine but still solid. Then I got a stick and stuffed it in the big end of the caps. I took 4 caps and am higher than batman.
STIMPY21

STIMPY21

03-22-2008, 06:22 PM

Thanks to all that are involved in this thread. I have right now a nirvana like high, and thank the lord is probably going to be one of those long ones. What I was missing was duration of the heat. I had 140 c temps before but I wasn't letting it cook long enough. Quite by accident I have discovered how I'm going to do it from now on. I'm not drooling yet but my mouth is suddenly moist for some reason.HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAha I got 42 more of those babies left too out of less that a 1/4 cup of oil/herb mixture. Very good method.
STIMPY21

rpg500e

03-22-2008, 08:31 PM

Hey everyone, im new to the forum but made some capsules for the first time like a week ago. I read through like the first half of the thread before deciding to try this and going out to round up all the equipment...
*Started off just throwing the crock pot on low (out of low, high, warm, and off settings)
*Added a gram and a half good chronic, (twist-type-grinder or whatever its called grinded) with a teaspoon and a half of room temp coconut oil in a shot glass (diameter probably about an inch, pretty small)
*With about an inch of water in the crock pot

And left for about 2 hours. I made two batches like that in like 2 days but even though I tried not to smoke any so I to clearly distinguish the capsule high, still only felt a pretty regular high when i ended up smoking around the time of taking the capsules (actually like all day).

Yesterday I started reading pretty much the second half of the thread and went out to get me a candy thermometer. Now I took out the water and left the thermometer in the crock pot so i could read it through the glass lid so I wouldn't have to open it and so I could watch it heat up. Waited till it reached about 220f i believe it was is when i put in a small tea cup with 3 grams of sticky ass sweet tooth grinded with my grinder (couldn't get it powdery or anything). Now I left the thermometer in the cup (had to kind of tip it over a little to get the lid to close) and monitoring to keep it around 220-250 for probably about 2 and a half hours... So hopefully this batch comes out better, wish me luck and sorry if anything didnt make sense or i left something out im pretty blazed right now :stoned::stoned: haha

Bloooo

03-23-2008, 04:44 PM

The ones made last weekend were very low potency, but it was great fun and a learning experience.

Second batch. This time I used coconut oil and this time I used the measurements Flameon used in the original instructions: I used 1.6 g of powdered bud and 1.5 tsps of oil.

Between 200 - 250 for 2.5 hours in the slow cooker. During the third hour, the temp went up to almost 300. At this time, I began to smell the weed pretty strong, so I turned it off. The finished oil had a slight burned smell, so I was afraid I'd lost some potency from overcooking. I filled 13.5 caps with the oil mixture.

So. I took one cap at around 11:15 a.m. It is now 12:37 and I am having a very hard time typing this, so I guess I didn't lose too much potency. :D Much, much stronger than the last ones. :thumbsup: Seriously.

rpg500e

03-23-2008, 11:56 PM

ok, so everything went fine I think and I packed i think somewhere around 60 cpsules with those 3 grams of bud + 2-3 teaspoons of coconut oil... by the way i have size 3 capsules which was all I could find which by my sizing calculations compared to 00s are about 66% of a 00... Took 6 and so did my sister (should be equivalent to about 4 00s) at around 3:30 and being 6:00 havnt felt a thing...

rpg500e

03-24-2008, 06:01 AM

Its midnight where im at, and so far and not much other then the occasional "i feel a lil weird". Sometime between 7 and 8 my sister informed me that she started feeling a high, by 8 she said "it was the highest shes ever been". Between 8 and 8:30 I took another 12 (again, of my size 3 capsules which would equal roughly 8, 00 size capsules) just to see and like i said, still nothing for me at least... :(

rpg500e

03-24-2008, 07:10 AM

sorry for posting so much but i had to come back beacuse right after posting last I watched about 1 episode of an anime (22 min mor or less) and then having firefox close down on me had to reload videos i began to look in the channel listings of the video site and came across a hip hop one in the top listing and whenon to watch a video about RZAs top 5 mcs in which kool g rap was mentioned and not knowing much about him bein that thats a little before my era decided to look him up in wikipedia and went on to spend about an hour on seraching him and related rappers and downloading music... in conclusion, if that isnt being high, i dont know what is... im really happy now, and thanks to all the creators of this thread, couldnt have done it without u :jointsmile:

TYCO118

03-24-2008, 08:01 AM

i cant seem to get it, i think this time im gonna put the buds in the oven first n then put it in the oil already heated to 275 for 3 hrs, hopefully it will work this time

will make it n let u know how it turns out

TYCO118

03-24-2008, 08:05 AM

im gonna use the oven method with the thermometer i just gotta get 1 that goes to 300 degrees

Weedhound

03-24-2008, 02:46 PM

It's so fascinating to see the little differences that work and don't work between people. Luck to everyone still trying......

BurnhardLonger

03-24-2008, 04:25 PM

1-Would you guys decaboxilize your weed just for smoking?

2-And if you had only bud ,would you use it in that form for caps. or shake it down for hash and use that for caps instead?I hear some staying with bud but wouldnt it be easier to use hash.Im just not feeling the ThC molecule thing.
3-Like, breaking it down further.Would that get more out of heated butter/weed?Put it in a Vita Mix? This blender has 2 h.p..(~$700.) So, when you put in just vegtables, turn it on ,"boiling in just 4-5 minutes",it turns it to like warm soup.i think a couple hundred degrees.Only by friction. And also its breaking the solids down further.Which is my point/question.
I always do this -try to find abetter way...when alot of times its overkill.
WEEDhound -DO a video on caps. dude! Show us how its done .Somebodys gonna do it. Thanks !!!!

BurnhardLonger

03-24-2008, 04:41 PM

Mcnizzlebery, I have the same.Two apples a day(I peel mine in the morning) ,will get rid of your stomach probs.Things like tums,calcium and even saliva neutralize acid quick.You dont want your food to rise in the stomach ,so after eating for a while dont bend over or lie down .Recline instead.If you do have to lie down or sleep,do it on your left side.<it works. Also its a ph thing.That needs balancing. So ,you can top off your acid(steak)portions with alkaline portions,Like lettuce(salad),cucumber,light beans,But the apple is the long term fix.Kicks in after a couples days.

TYCO118

03-25-2008, 01:57 AM

do i want more oil in the pill or do i want more of the gunky weed in the pills ? or all oil? or the same amount of both in each pill

rpg500e

03-25-2008, 02:17 AM

do i want more oil in the pill or do i want more of the gunky weed in the pills ? or all oil? or the same amount of both in each pill

Purty sure ive seen someone ask this before and the answer was both. Its all importand and all part of the mix, shouldnt be too oily though i dont think... Just mix it a little and do equal ammounts of everything id say

TYCO118

03-25-2008, 04:46 AM

thanks man, im cooking it right now

Weedhound

03-25-2008, 01:34 PM

Ha ha ......no video from my end.......we're on 26k dial up here and it would take a WEEK to get something like that uploaded from my sorry ass computer............sorry guy.......don't even KNOW anybody with a webcam........just an old hippie stoner........ :D :stoned:

TYCO118

03-25-2008, 07:29 PM

i dk what i did wrong

i activated the nugs

i put the oil at 275

add the shake

cooked for 4 hours

n they didnt work

i took 6 to get high

rpg500e

03-25-2008, 08:31 PM

i dk what i did wrong

i activated the nugs

i put the oil at 275

add the shake

cooked for 4 hours

n they didnt work

i took 6 to get high

sounds like me... I had to take an equivalent of 8 capsules to get me what I admit was pretty high, but nowhere near what it sounds like it should have been with that much...

medman12

03-25-2008, 11:55 PM

I tried to make these about a month ago, and at first I was disappointed with the results. I had them in the oven for 2 1/2 hrs (I don't remember what temperature, 250-275 i think?, looked on here to get the right temperature). I had 2 of them on a fairly empty stomach that night and didn't feel anything. I had a nice case of the burps all night though.

I put them in a Ibprofun bottle and they sat there until today, partly because I didn't think they were worth taking, and partly because I got a new vape (herbal aire, mmmmmm). I decided to try them again today.

I had 4 capsules (why not? i didn't think they'd do anything) at 1pm after eating a large lunch. I continued on my day and didn't feel anything. I was disappointed. HOWEVER, around 6 pm it hit me like a brick wall. I've been in a very good place since then, and I highly suggest trying this recipe! (just don't expect quick results)

TYCO118

03-26-2008, 12:18 AM

what do we do to get the same result as these ppl

TYCO118

03-26-2008, 12:20 AM

im gonna be trying again tonight but i dk what to do differently this ttime to make it work

n e suggestions?

STIMPY21

03-26-2008, 12:34 AM

try more time and check your grind and temperature. Also you might eat some lethicin suplements they help the body to metabolize fat.Keep trying
STIMPY21

medman12

03-26-2008, 12:38 AM

Make sure you're using good weed. Otherwise decrease the amount of oil you use. I used an 1/8 of shitty mids and therefore only used like 5 teaspoons of oil. Still I had to take more than 2 to feel something.

I think if do 275 degrees for 2 1/2 hrs of an 1/8 of nice headies and 6 teaspoons of oil you should be good (make sure the thing you cook it in doesn't absorb alot of heat). I used a ceramic egg cooker, kind of looked like a ceramic shot glass. Taking two of these should give you very noticeable effects and three should give you a solid high for 3-4 hours.:rastasmoke:

Weedhound

03-26-2008, 02:26 AM

I can't say enough that I think different temps work for different people. Try an hour at 300F for those who have tried the lower temps with no (or a poor) results and then again at 325F.

TYCO118

03-26-2008, 02:40 AM

ok well i just put in a batch at 275 again

u think i should raise n lower the temp while its cooking from 275 to 315

Weedhound

03-26-2008, 03:18 AM

Don't know how much you are making but since you've tried 275F I'd try 300 for an hour just as a "next step" more than any specific reason. I've had pretty decent results at temps up to about 350F.

TYCO118

03-26-2008, 06:46 AM

im gonna have to try that next time

but im feelin good about this batch

tmw ill let u know how they work

n if they dont ill then try it at about 325, how long only 1 hr cuz of the higher temp?

Weedhound

03-26-2008, 04:29 PM

Yes, that's my thought.....I've cooked weed up to 350-375 and still gotten a good buzz......which is why I suggested it (based on an old recipe I used to use) but I've never cooked it for HOURS at a higher temp so I'd hesitate to tell you to do it for a long time and burn off all the good stuff.

TYCO118

03-26-2008, 08:52 PM

im gonna try a batch now

3.6 grams of coconut oil

.8 grams of good bud

for an hr at 3 25 deg.

ill let u know how they turn out

Weedhound

03-26-2008, 11:12 PM

Good luck!

skunkape

03-27-2008, 05:40 PM

ok this buddy of mine made some caps yesterday using peanut oil. he said they weren't very good. took the edge off, felt some physical effects, but nothing major. then he went out like a good soldier and got organic virgin coconut oil. tried again. using 2g powdered middies, 1.5-2tsp coconut oil. In a little ceramic dish in the crockpot for 2hrs 45mins on low, 10 mins on high (last little squeeze), 5 minutes sitting in crockpot in off position but with lid on. For a total of 3 hrs. Never checked temperatures cuz he can't be arsed to monitor temps all day.

Final result. 3 caps. he was Completely floored by the results. This is insane. He was very happy because as he stated, "i've taken my crap middies and made them into the dankest little capsules. ":thumbsup:

He was amazed.

TYCO118

03-27-2008, 07:42 PM

still no luck

i cant seem to get it

what could i be doing wrong ?

TYCO118

03-27-2008, 07:51 PM

i do everything perfectly

i activate the nugs i grind it up to powder i add it when the oil reaches the right temp i keep it in for the right amount of time

Weedhound

03-28-2008, 12:48 AM

lunarose

03-28-2008, 04:21 AM

hi all,

i really think that the problems some are having with the capsules not working has more to do with metabolism then technique. i have noticed that i will get different results with capsules from the same batch and what seems to make the difference is the severity of my symptoms. anyway its just a tought.

sharon

toomanynics

03-28-2008, 03:48 PM

.... using 2g powdered middies, ....
Final result. 3 caps. he was Completely floored by the results. ...

:thumbsup: It looks like you almost can't fail with proportions like that. I've been wondering what others think about their own dose per gram of material. I've been super fortunate to be able to get quality bud. After having made maybe a dozen "basic" batches (using the originally called-for 1.5g for bud, using ghee, sometimes using coconut oil--I really can't tell any difference), my rate seems to be around 4 to 5 doses per 1.5 grams of bud. In the limit I think this may prove to be about 3 doses per gram. Since the results of taking it this way lasts longer than smoking for me, I figure I'm using about the same amount of material either way. Sometimes I wonder if the oil method should be producing better results. We'll see.

Weedhound

03-28-2008, 05:00 PM

Well I have to say I haven't really done the math but I can tell by the fact that I now have a LOT of weed sitting around despite the fact I lost that PowerPlant and only harvested approximatey 4 oz off my latest plant that I'm using MUCH less weed with this method. This grow came up short by about 8 oz........and I still have TONS of weed left over from the grow before that which is VERY unusual for the amount of ganja my hubby and I had been using.....up until I started using the caps regularly that is. :thumbsup:

MVP

03-29-2008, 03:45 AM

wingedson

03-30-2008, 05:20 PM

I just recently made a batch using the stove top method. Worked freakin great!!!! I used about 1.5 grams of high quality purples, and about 2 teaspoons of coconut oil, let em simmer for about 2.5 hours, ended up makin 20 caps. I took one last night at around 8:30, ate dinner at around 8:45, I had eaten a little before taking the cap. Nothing at all until around 12:30am. Then I was definitely noticing the tried and true effects of a mild ganja food onset. Actually the taste of them burping up was delicious!!! Anyway, I did a meditation and passsssed out until 2:30 am, I woke up completely stoned. Great body high, very relaxed, and I listened to my Ipod in bed for about an hour, just letting the music come alive. Thank you for this recipe, it is genius! I don't want to inhale all the toxins from smoking so this is perfect!!!

4x4surfin

03-30-2008, 08:56 PM

ok i was wondering
(ive made these twice now)
i love them
but could i maybe use a tad bit less ganja
and
put in sum ground up shroom?

TYCO118

03-31-2008, 04:05 AM

ok so im determined on making these. i bought an ounce of mids to perfect my method n then im gonna use keif. this time im making 3 at 1 time n using the same amount of bud and oil in each (2 grams of shit bud n 5 grams of coconut oil)

i put them in at 275 degrees
after 2 hrs im turning the temp to 300 n taking batch 1 out 25 min after that
after 3 hrs im taking batch 2 out
at 3 hrs im turning temp to 350
at 3 and a half hrs im taking batch 3 out
then im going to test each batch separately

its 12:05 now and i put them in at 11 30
lets hope 1 of them works

Weedhound

03-31-2008, 04:33 AM

Best of luck!!

TYCO118

03-31-2008, 06:46 AM

i fucked up on batch 3, after i took out batch 2 n turned it to 350 i went to fill the capsules for batch 2 n didnt see the temp spiked to 400 10 min after putting it in so i went to go take it out to cool it down i tipped over the shot glass and spilled some of the oil so im not gonna put it back in im just gonna use it as is, i wanna try a dif batch each day so i dont mix n match results.......ill let u know what happens

TYCO118

03-31-2008, 07:45 AM

ok so batch 1 made 7 pills on the dot
batch 2 made 7 and a half
and batch 3 made 6 and a half
so i combined the 2 half's to make a full pill
i took that 1 half n half pill immediately after i was done capping the third batch
now i have 20 pills to experiment with
should i store them in my closet or would they be better in my mini fridge the minifridge also has a small freezer box if that would be even better ?

Flameon

03-31-2008, 12:35 PM

Hi Guys

TYCO118 - I was sorry to read you've been getting some inconsistent results, hopefully one of the methods you've used for your current batch will help you to crack a technique that works for you.
If you're still not getting the kind of results you're looking for I'd suggest trying it with some hash.

Generally, it's a lot more forgiving, you won't need much and it only requires an hour or two's cooking time at around 250 F to give good results (assuming your hash is of reasonable quality). Anyhow, fingers crossed and let us know how you get on. :thumbsup:

p.s. a fridge works great for me - they can last for months.

JaySin

04-01-2008, 03:30 PM

Ok, I went and picked up some Virgin Coconut Oil. They did have extra virgin, but I was unsure and now that I'm home I have found out I should have opted for the other jar at twice the price.

Should I return what I have or is it similar enough to work? For what it's worth, it says this on the lable: Certified Organic Virgin Coconut Oil. Cold-pressed and unrefined. 100% pure.

After I get this figured out, I just need some bud. Hopin to experiment with a 1/4 of schwag only I'll use 2g instead of 1.5g because of it's lower potency obviously.

Weedhound

04-01-2008, 04:37 PM

If it were me I'd use it...........I had an earlier recipe that I used olive oil with so I think you'll probably be fine with it.

JaySin

04-01-2008, 09:35 PM

Awesome. Returning a food item just seems kind of odd to me.

Thanks,
Jay

slightlystoopid27

04-03-2008, 02:03 AM

extra virgin coconut oil is the same exact thing as virgin coconut oil. companys just use extra to make it sound better.

nicktheawesome

04-03-2008, 05:57 AM

extra virgin coconut oil is the same exact thing as virgin coconut oil. companys just use extra to make it sound better.

Not quite true. Extra virgin means first pressing. Virgin does not. In theory, there shouldn't be much of a change, not relative to the caps. The different tiering is because of flavor.:cool:

nonexistant

04-03-2008, 09:30 AM

wow
i am definitely going to try this :thumbsup:

Genomerio

04-03-2008, 11:39 PM

Greetings everybody. I stumbled on this post a few days ago while doing general internet hopping and was entranced. I've been looking for something like this for years and excited to give it a shot. My current stash is pretty small, barely enough for 24 caps so I am only commiting half of it to the experiment, but I have it simmering in the slow cooker at 105C as we speak and figure to give it 2 1/2 hours and see how it goes. Here's hoping it works as well as I hope it does since thats my last bit of bud for a while (hate moving to a new city, dontcha?).

AAAAAnyway, just wanted to say hi and thanks now that I got in the goodies to try this out, and hopefully I'll have some good news to post soon.

Non

04-04-2008, 02:58 PM

bummer.. well I just wasted less than a gram, trying to do a single dose with just coconut oil and already dry and decarbed weed. It simmered in oil around the 90-95 C degree mark for about 4-5 hrs. Nothing came of it I assume. I took it a little less than half an hr ago and just finished smoking so I dont know what to look for lol.

if this doesn't work I'll assume that this temperature is not optimal for me.

Frostie

04-04-2008, 07:11 PM

Awesome how to Flameon, thanks!

Also found some "pure cooking fat" in the parents fridge. Looks almost like white wax (checked already, it isn't). How well do you think it'd work?

Genomerio

04-04-2008, 11:32 PM

Well, sadly my first go was a no go. I havent put all the material into caps yet, in case this happened, but I consumed about 3 doses worth and felt nothing. Going to scrape whats left up, put it back in, and cook it at a higher temp and see if this helps.

JaySin

04-05-2008, 12:07 AM

Genomerio, what temp did you have it at and what temp are you going to try next?

Genomerio

04-05-2008, 12:51 AM

My first shot was between 90C and 105C, although I did open it 3 times to stir. This is kind of the low temp range but I figured I'd play it semi-safe since I dont have too much material to play with right now.

My second shot I am trying to reheat the mix to 120C for 2 hours.

As a side note, this shit is the funkiest smell I have ever smelled. Not bad mind you, just weird. That coconut candy and pot smell is out there.

JaySin

04-05-2008, 01:35 PM

The medium setting on mine is 85c. So I was going to try my first batch at that temp. I forget what the high setting is, but it is over 100c. If medium does not work I will put them in at high and see if that helps. From the sounds of it 85c should be plenty. Although a lot of people seem to need more heat. Maybe I'll just cook it at 85c for a few hours then dump half onto a plate for cooling and let the other half sit at high for probably another hour.

Good luck on your second shot. Hopefully I'll get my first shot at it today or tomorrow. I just don't have a scale, any chain stores I can go to to find something like that? Otherwise I'll have to get one off e-bay, and I don't really want to wait another week to do this. Although, I guess I will if I have to.

Genomerio

04-05-2008, 10:41 PM

Well, secind try changed thigns a bit, but not enough. I took 2 caps this morning and after 2 1/2 hours felt nothing. So I tried another 3 caps, and waited 2 more hours. I felt a slight sensation like after smoking where your slightly stoned, but nothing more. I smoked a small amount, basically a 1 hitter bowl, and got much more stoned than usual, and for far longer. It wasnt a huge feeling after a couple hours, but it stayed there for a good 6-7 hours.

So more heat definitely improved things, however I am out of bud so for now I will have to pause my attempts. If your weed is anything like mine, 85C isnt gonna be enough to do it, it would seem.

JaySin

04-07-2008, 09:28 PM

Geno, what are you using? I'll be using Keif.

PatchouliOne

04-08-2008, 02:30 AM

High EveryOne! New to this site,not new to High Times. . tried the THC extraction into butter using the crock-pot with overnight cooking of leaf/shake, used about (this dates me) three fingers of weed, ground in the blender.Cooked on stove, lowest setting too high, switched to crockpot on low, cooked 22 hours. After whole process, had about 1c. of cannabutter. I used 1/2 c for some banana-pecan 'jewel' muffins, adding 2 Tablespoons of leftover groundshake, and also made brownies (from a mix) substituting 1/3 c. cannabutter for oil--I remelted it. Four little muffins, or three very small brownies, that gets me a 'mind' high (not just a body high), kinda haven't decided how I feel about it. Still have some butter left in freezer, got lots of capsules left from my failed chemistry extraction of morning glory seeds, so I think I'll make some up. . . Thanks Guys, going on vacation. . PatchouliOne

Genomerio

04-08-2008, 04:53 AM

Jay, it was suposed to be good stuff, but smoking it, I think it was decent mids at most. Who knows what the next batch will be as I need to find someone local to me, or fly to FL.

JaySin

04-08-2008, 03:52 PM

I'm giving it my first shot right now. I took all the Keif I got from my 1/8 and threw it in some coconut oil so it looked as to be a good mix. I didn't measure or anything, because I'm mostly experimenting to see what will happen. Mostly because it seems as though there is no tried and true method that works for everyone.

I put them in the crock at 125c and turned it on to high so it will gradually get warmer throughout the hour. At the hour I will pull them out, cool them and then make some caps. Not sure how many this will make, but I'm assuming about 5 or so? I might add a little more coconut oil about halfway through the cooking depending on how I think it's looking.

I will have to wait till after work to try these. So tonight I will let everyone know how my caps turn out. So in about 12 hours I should have some info on how my try at it goes. Let's hope for the best. :jointsmile:

thatiger

04-08-2008, 05:21 PM

Props to Flame man. Cost efficient while getting higher :stoned:
good stuff im gonna have to try it out. cant wait till 420.
im gonna have to make some for that special day!:D
By the Way Has Anybody found Any Capsules in Stores rather than Using the Internet????? I'd rather not wait on the shipping because i want to start makin these little capsules soon.

:420thought: :420thought:

lunarose

04-08-2008, 09:16 PM

Hi,

I have found the capsules at Wholefoods and at local health food stores. In a pinch you can go to Walmart and get a bottle of something cheap from the vitamin or supplement department I have gotten the niacin caps for around $2 for 100 and empty them out.

trojanfan

04-08-2008, 10:05 PM

I have been following this thread for weeks and taking notes on those who have had success and those who havent. Many people who are using swchag and mids seem to be having more problems with the pills not working than those who start off with hash or high quality meds. Also those with the most success closely monitor temperatures and follow instructions.

I ordered all my stuff through amazon, including a digital thermonitor so I can track the temp throughout the cooking process. I used 1.5 grams of average hash and .5 gram of good stuff.

Before even doing it for real I did a practice run, running the crockpot a few hours with wesson oil in a small purex cup. I took notes on temps and wrote them down at different time intervals.

Once I knew how my crock pot worked, I started with the real deal. Ran it on high for an hour, then lowered it to low once it was hot. The mixture got to a high of 258 degrees and never dropped below190 degrees. AN hour and 15 minutes later the cooling process began. I loaded my pills in the caddy that came with them with the exact baby medicine dropper that flame used. I filled 24 capsules, despite dropping some mixture and making a little mess.

took my first pill at 6:45 and two hours later was feeling REALLY GOOD! It was a combination couchlock with a nice haze. went to bed at 10:30 and it was really going. WOke up at 6 am for work and still had a slight buzz until about 9:30 a.m.! Flame you are the man!

mspofford032579

04-09-2008, 12:47 AM

:)Ok, so I bit for this one and tried it out last night. .8g fine dried hand ground herbs, 4.6g virgin coconut oil. Simmered for about 2.5 hours on 200F in a toaster oven. I found the miniature non stick muffin tray icluded to be perfect for the oil. Anyway, made the thing, color looked ok I guess but after about an an hour and forty five minutes, only a few giggles, and it was too late to stay up any longer. I do remember feeling funny before bed, sleeping like a baby, and having some vivid cool dreams...

Tonight I cooked up a couple more mini batches each in their own tin- .5 gram and a teaspoon of coconut oil- just lake flame said in other posts. This time I used a coffe grinder to prepare my material and made it nice and powdery. I put it in the oven at about 200F for like 3 minutes to 'activate' it first, then ground it up after making sure it was .5g dry weight. I lost a little weight in the grind, so I added some hand ground flakes to one of the batches to compensate. This time cooked on about 240-240F for about 2hrs 20mins, and in refrigerator now. I was afraid to vape my shit on accident, so I tried to calibrate the temperature by testing where I had to get the know to to heat a pan up enought to sizzle droplets of water, then I gave it a little more juice and ended up a little ways before the 250F mark. Also this time I put the toaster oven broiler pan over the muffin tin to protect it from direct overheating since theirs some sort of quartz or ceramic heating rod emements on the top AND bottom of this thing. I will admit both times it was somewhat smelly, but not like an herb sense, more like just smelling 'something'. Anyway, will follow up with more...

Check out some pics of (someone elses) first batch:

trojanfan

04-09-2008, 01:39 AM

It only took an hour for my wife. She took one at 4:45, called me at 5:45 and told me everything in the world is A OK! I got home at 6:30 and she is passed out cold in bed snoring away. It was a knockout for her.

This is only my first batch but I feel the key is using pretty decent hash. 2 g of different kinds of hash made 24 full pills. I scraped the mess i spilled and was able to get a 25th. I figured they only cost about $2.10 cents each. Freaking great.

I have 3.3 grams of purple kush hash. Cant wait to make 39 more pieces of heaven!

JaySin

04-09-2008, 03:52 AM

No dice. Didn't work the way it should have. I'm guessing it is mostly because of the fact that I did not cook them correctly. I took three of them and did not feel one single thing. I felt some sort of floaty feeling pop up halfway through posting this, but I think that was just a placebo type of thing from thinking about it. That and it seemed to have gone away right away.

I'm not too disappointed, because I kind of rushed it. I have a scale on order, so I wasn't able to weigh anything. I barely even cooked it for an hour. I had to go to work and I wanted to have them for when I got off. Unfortunately, it ended up being just as good as not having them.

Time to grab my batty and give this cooking thing another shot. Only this time it's already been cooking for 2 and a half hours.

cdlusby1

04-09-2008, 04:25 AM

so, i just started my first plant, it is about 1in tall and has it's first pair of "real leaves". I have 1 60w plant light about 1" away from the plant. Is this too close, it doesn't seem to be burning or stressing the plant. Should i have a higher watt light? i've read a lot of people having 200 and 400w bulbs. Also, can I begin fertelizing my plant this early, and if so, what type should i use? Thanks

mspofford032579

04-09-2008, 11:47 AM

So I split one of the 'cakes' I made last night with my wife with no noticeable results. (you can see some counterfeit fake pictures f the batch below). I'm thinking it's either the wrong coconut oil, my temperature setting is too high, or maybe I shouldn't use a toaster oven at all because maybe it uses too much heat in small bursts to maintain an 'average' oven tamperature. I still have one 'cake for breakfast' to try out. It could be that I keep going to sleep on this stuff... It's hard to tell becase by the time I get to eat some, 1.5-2 hours later when it's supposed to work- I NEED to go to bed anyway... Any advice on how to get this to work better?

Also, Flame or anyone else who can answer- I posted pics of the coconut oil I bought as well. Can someone confirm tht this is the correct type? Both coconut oil and ghee are tough to find around my way- an asian food market and 4 grocery stores later, this is what I found. I'm pretty sure it's good, but I'm concerned it desn't say 'extra virgin' like everyone elses, and mine says refined instead of unrefined. Any answers/advice would be great...

Weedhound

04-09-2008, 01:17 PM

For those to whom it has NOT worked......are you guys measuring the temp of what you are COOKING ......or the oven temp? It's better imho to measure the temp of what is BEING COOKED vs oven themp.

mspofford032579

04-09-2008, 09:52 PM

agreed. Like most others here I'm throwing this together true stoner style- whatever is available. That said, to my credit I did buy a meat thermometer but I suspect the oil cools too fast once removed from the oven to obtain an accurate reading. I tried leaving it in but it exploded and leaked. I suspect I'm having trouble because I'm using a toaster oven and not a slow cooker. Either there is too much thermal loss through the door to maintain heat transfer, or more likely; the heating coils in the oven cause the inside temps to surge above the thermostat setting every time they come on and overheat my mix...

Weedhound

04-09-2008, 10:54 PM

I do know one friend of mine who measured both and found a difference between the oven temp and the mixture temp of about 50 degrees so it could make a difference. Something to think about anyway.

greggy

04-09-2008, 11:47 PM

I usually recommend using â??hashishâ?? or â??kiefâ?? over â??Budâ?? when cooking, because it is a quicker and simpler process of conversion, and the effects are (slightly) more predictable. However, if you only have access to â??Grassâ?? donâ??t worry, you can still make them just as easily using the following method.

Grass method:

Due to the difference in THC strength, youâ??ll need to use 1.5 grams of good quality well cured bud in order to match the potency of 1 gram of hash or kief. Firstly, remove any stems, seeds or obvious leaf material* then grind to as small a grain (powder) as you can manage, then just follow the rest of the steps as detailed below.

The Canna-oil Method: If using a Slow Cooker (Crock pot).

The beauty of slow cookers is you can pretty much switch them on and forget about them.
Typically, a slow cooker will have 2 or 3 settings (low, medium and high).
Due to the size of these â??cookersâ?? I recommend placing your oil/butter in a much smaller â??oven-proofâ?? container otherwise itâ??ll just make a thin coating on the bottom of your pan.
In my case I use an eggcup (or a coffee cup when making larger quantities) the shape makes it easier to â??siphonâ?? off the oil and to scrape out the residue.

Simply set the cooker to â??lowâ?? (around 80/90 degrees centigrade), add the ghee/oil and then the hash/kief or bud and leave to slowly simmer for the required time.

1 hour for hash.
1 and half hours for kief.
2 hours for bud.

The Canna-oil Method: If using a Pan and Mixing Bowl

Pour around three inches of boiling water into your cooking pan, then sit the mixing bowl in the water so that itâ??s floating just off the bottom (very important â?? see picture), add the oil or Ghee (clarified butter) to the mixing bowl and let it melt, then add your hashish, kief or powdered bud and dissolve slowly while keeping the lid on and the boiling water just barely simmering beneath.

N.B. Floating the mixing bowl in the water and keeping the lid on prevents â??burning offâ?? the THC which evaporates/vaporises at high temperatures (around 140 centigrade plus). The boiling water keeps the butter/oil at the perfect temperature of around 100 degrees centigrade (boiling point) to slowly â??wringâ?? out every last molecule of â??spacey goodnessâ??!.

if your doing the mixing bowl and pan method how long do u cook it for if youre using bud :rastasmoke:

Weedhound

04-09-2008, 11:59 PM

Hey m your coconut oil looks fine to me. I've tried everything from olive oil (average) to peanut oil (not recommended) to coconut oil (:thumbsup:) I don't really think its a crime if it's not EXTRA VIRGIN. ;)

thatiger

04-10-2008, 12:00 AM

okay so i made some too last night, i used 1.5 grams of some good bud. When you use bud is the color of the oil supposed to be lime green when cooled off??? i left in the crock pot on low for 2 hours and did everything proper. I took 1 at first and didnt feel much so i took another and got the same results. 6 pills later:eat: i felt that i must have done something wrong or maybe i need to put more MJ in. So can anyone help me out???? I mean i had the giggles like a mofo :S2:and drank some beer and even smoked but i felt i should have been having a radical trip. Can someone maybe point me in the right direction :hippy: thanks

mspofford032579

04-10-2008, 12:20 AM

I'm out of supplies for right now but I'm not given up because I know this is sound and proven science. That means if it's not working, as much as I'd hate to admit it sometimes, it HAS to be my fault... I'm certain the problem is the toaster oven. I bet it gets up to temp just fine, but as soon as the temp drops those coils fire up again until the thermostat inside matches the stt temperature on the outside of the unit. Unfortunately, I'm going to bet that the coils aren't programmed to come on at a partial power setting when this occurrs so I'd bet they just come on full power at 1000watts or whatever, and once the inside of the oven heats up to temp they shut off. It wouldn't surprise me if this causes the inside temperatures to surge over the vaporization point intermittently and cause a dramatic loss of potency. I need to either get a crock pot or find something else.

Speaking of something else, I had heard of others using coffee mugs for the oil and placing them in shallow water inside the crock pot. Had anyone thought about Keeping the coffee mug and losing the crock pot? You could put the oil in the coffee mug and use a coffee mug warmer plate like this one? http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/602-5808638-9820638?ASIN=B000CO89T8&AFID=Froogle&LNM=B000CO89T8|Mr._Coffee_Mug_Warmer__MWBLK&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=B000CO89T8&ref=tgt_adv_XSG10001 I'm trying to find out what temperature range these things operate at. I cvan't find specifications posted for the 102V 'Mr. Coffee' model, but their are a bunch of models which plug into USB which operate on 50-60C. I'm pretty sure this isn't hot enough but I'm also assuming the units which are powered by a wall socket will get hotter because the USB models are limited by the 5V rating of the bus, and the low current levels it is capable to deliver. Remember- a USB port is not a 'proper' power supply.

All these issues about temperature have caused me to ask this question of anyone ho can give me a reliable answer: What is the acceptable temperature range for simmering? My understanding is that it only needs to meet two criteria: Stay below the vaporization point (275F) at ALL COSTS and remain warm enough to keep the oil in liquid state. Is this correct or does the oil need to melt, AND reach a higher minimum temperature, or is the MINIMUM temperature at which this extraction point will work the same or below the melting point of the oil?

Since the magic number for this recipe seems to be 90C or 200F I figured the coffee warmer plate would be perfect because it is designed to keep a beverage which begins at 212F close to it's original temperature, but such a device is also exclusively designed to NOT boil the beverage placed on its surface...

Anyone know what the MINIMUM temperature is to get this to work?

mspofford032579

04-10-2008, 12:21 AM

Weedhound

04-10-2008, 12:48 AM

At the risk of implying we are anywhere NEAR "the Flameon of Knowledge" but have you read our thread? In that thread also is a link to ANOTHER capsule thread to try as well.

Good luck guys.

Oops.......almost forgot.........http://boards.cannabis.com/concentrates/150409-hounds-cannabis-capsule-guide-flame-s-recipe.html

mobyone

04-10-2008, 04:47 PM

Ok, first I'm going to reply to mspofford032579, who didn't have any luck... Dude, you are using WAY too much oil. You should NOT see a distinctive line between the weed and the oil. I know because I started out with exactly the same way. Ok, now I'll just relate my latest experience.

History: You can go back and look at some of my posts, but here is the gist. I've done a fair bit of experimenting. I've even just put the oil in a pan on the stove and thrown in the weed. Yes, it works, no it isn't better.

I thought I had reached a pretty good point to where I was getting a nice buzz from a reasonable amount of weed. I once wasted 3.5 grams of weed by using too much oil. So, I thought, let's just use the bare minimum oil to make the weed soggy.

I use a small, metal muffin pan, you know, that you can pour batter into and make small muffins? Ok, so previously, my end product would look just like mspofford032579's. All the weed settled to the bottom and an equal, or more, layer of oil on top. This worked for me ok, but when I used less oil I had MUCH BETTER results.

I heat up the oil and then dump in the weed until the weed reaches the top of the oil. I know it's the right amount when there is no free-flowing layer of oil at the top. You want the consistency to be mushy THROUGHOUT the mix. NO EXTRA OIL!

Ok, so this method was working great for me. I had been cooking small amounts, like 1 gram or so and it was working ok. I got tired of cooking all the time, so this last time I decided to cook 6 grams. The first time I cooked it, the results were just ok and I realized I had used too much oil. So, I added weed to get the right consistency and cooked it again for 2.5 hours.

I do this in a locked metal cabinet in my garage to keep it out of sight from my kids. I tell you this because it gets cold at night and this affects the temperature in the crockpot. So, after the second cooking, I opened up the cabinet and realized that I had left the lid off of the crockpot, thereby not trapping the heat inside. I didn't even sample the result because I knew that it couldn't have been hot enough to really cook at all.

So, I secured the lid and cooked another 2.5 hours. The next day I ate a normally sized chunk AND GOT COMPLETELY, UTTERLY, FUCKING WASTED OUT OF MY MIND!!!!! Normally I could take this much and function around my family just fine and nobody would be the wiser. Dudes, I'm here to tell you that I had to go hide in my bedroom and pretend to be sick because I was unable to function around other humans!

The next day I took half of that and it was still way too much. Yesterday I took a quarter of that and it was a little bit too much. I can't fucking believe it. I'm now eating like 1/2 of a teaspoon or less and getting a GREAT buzz. The 6 grams that I cooked up could be broken up into about 18 pieces, each of which will get you a great buzz. Take two and you'll be on the verge of not functioning in society. Take 3 or more and you'll be a jiggling pile of jelly!

My main complaint about the capsules was that I had to use A LOT of weed to get the same effect that I could get when vaporizing. That is no longer the case. I think I can actually use LESS weed to get more high now by eating. By the way, I did away with the capsules. They're great if you want to carry it somewhere, but don't let it get warm because it'll melt right out of the capsule. I just cut off a chunk, crunch it up with my front teeth and swallow it with water. Works great.

Ok, so here's my problem. I'm not exactly sure what the secret formula was. :( The first and most obvious thing is that I cooked it three times. The next variable is that it has been getting warmer here because of spring, and I'm certain that the temp inside the crockpot was higher than normal. The first time I cooked, the oil turned green. The second time was (seemingly) a bust because I left the lid off and the oil was still green. The last time, the oil was brownish green (heavier on the brown). I did not monitor the temperature throughout the process, but I did note that the max temp when heating the oil alone was 300F.

I'm REALLY REALLY REALLY hoping that I can reproduce this result because it is amazing. All I can tell you is to keep trying. Try different amounts, different temperatures, different times and see what happens. I thought I had gotten the process as good as it could get and then I made a mistake and learned that I was SERIOUSLY missing out. Here's my next experiment...

1) Good consistency...mushy and no freestanding oil. If you can tilt the pan or bowl or whatever and the see the oil flowing across the top, it's too much.
2) Cook at the normal temp for 2.5 hours with the lid on.
3) Cook with the lid off for 2.5 hours.
4) Cook with the lid on for 2.5 hours.

This replicates what I did before. I hope like hell that it works again. Most likely, the period with the lid off is not necessary. I'm tempted to try cooking for 7 hours with the lid on, but hey if it ain't broke, don't fix it! LOL

I am very afraid that there is a "magic" temperature range and I will never know what it is. The fact that I was cooking in the garage in the cold and now it's warmer tells me that the temp was higher, but I'll never know for sure what it was.

I'll report back.

PS- I have now determined that it is NOT POSSIBLE to not get high from this shit (when cooked right). I don't care how often you smoke or what tolerances you have. I eat or vape every day and I don't think I've ever been that high in my life.

Weedhound

04-10-2008, 06:42 PM

Moby it sounds like you DID crack it....it's SUPPOSED to be a lot for a little.....I'm using less weed than ever with these capsules.

Glad you got it......I wish more people would experiment with a few higher temps if they aren't having success with the lower numbers.

Weedhound

04-10-2008, 06:44 PM

Hey Moby, how long did the good stuff take to "kick in?"

mobyone

04-10-2008, 11:11 PM

Hey Moby, how long did the good stuff take to "kick in?"

I always take it at least 4 hours after I've eaten. With the weaker batches it would take 1 hour to 1.5 hours to begin feeling it. With the new batch, I start feeling it in 30 to 45 min and at 2 hours I'm peaking, but the peak is a big ol plateau. LOL

Non

04-12-2008, 08:29 AM

I think for me a temperature of 212-225 F was good for me. I dunno which exact temperature works best tho. thats all I need to know..

joyfuldinosaur

04-12-2008, 04:11 PM

I decided to make some cannabis capsules. (thanks, PassingShips <3 ) The first mistake I made was to get vegetarian capsules. I have some gelatin ones on the way but even then I'll have to keep them in the fridge to prevent from melting this summer.

I get migraines with some level of frequency. So in order to avoid going on Topamax, we're going to try the medimar approach. I live in an unenlightened area of the U.S. so while I have a legitimate medical reason to be stoned every day, I have to be as stealthy as possible. Before I found out about caspules, I had a little dugout system that I carried with me and if I needed to smoke I'd go in a parking garage or a friend's house on campus. I found that smoking herb gives me too much of a peak, and I'd rather have the effects be at a lower level, but last all day. The capsules appear to be a great alternative, the best part being that the low temperature and short cooking time (2ish hours) give you a clearer high with no tiredness.

For the first set of capsules, I used midgrade ganj - $30 an eighth with seeds and stems.
Anyway, so I made the first batch with 1tbsp of butter and about 1.5 grams of finely chopped herb. This sat in a crock pot for 2.5 hours and made about 12 capsules. I put about 5ml onto a slice of toast and ate it on my 3 mile cycle commute at 8:45 in the morning. It made my mouth and throat go numb, which was pretty weird. I came up during class at around 10am. The effects were very nice, lasted all day. I had a sort of cinematographic visual effect along with a general feeling of well-being. Colors were brighter, etc. I liken the effects more to a small dose of LSD, although I wouldn't call it tripping.
I'm pretty sure that this recipe I used was a little less potent than the ones described in the thread. My friend took six of the capsules, and said that the experience was very good - not "tripping" but about as high as you can get on weed without falling asleep. Mind you though this kid ate an entire 30lb cactus he ordered off the internet, thinking he would trip off it. I mean, an actual live cactus in a pot of dirt. He had it shipped to his house and then he ate it. The whole thing. And he didn't trip. Which I thought was hilarious.

Yesterday I made another batch, and used about 4.5 grams of finely chopped weed (this time a little higher-grade than the stuff I used before) and 4 tablespoons of coconut oil. First of all, the coconut oil and butter are going to prove ridiculous in the summer. Coconut oil melts at like 75F, so there's no way I'd be able to bring these with me without a cooler. I'm thinking about measuring them out onto a good such as toast or flapjack - the only drawback being I hate the taste of coconut more than anything in the world, and the taste of weed makes me gag. No seriously, eating that slice of toast triggered my gag reflex so badly I was scared for a second that I wouldn't get it down.

I haven't tried the new batch of capsules, I'm riding two of the first batch today.

This is definitely the most cost-effective way of getting the most out of my weed.

Temperature setting: LOW on a crock pot. This is really a perfect setting I think. I also tried the "little dipper" crock pot, which only has two settings: low and unplugged. That worked pretty well but only for small batches since it's a tiny thing. The bigger crock pot.

It will also be worth investing in a coffee grinder as it takes forever to chop up weed really finely with a knife. (Oh btw, the "no garlic/meat/onion" side of the cutting board now tastes like weed. There are worse things though)

mtjboy2021

04-14-2008, 02:36 AM

Flameon

04-14-2008, 01:08 PM

Im going to agree with joyfuldinosaur that the taste makes it hard to get down. I made some using clarified butter and since I can't find the capsules anywhere I just put the butter on some toast and smother it in peanut butter which works alright, I wonder if there is anything else you can eat with the butter to stop the gag reflex.

Hi mtjboy2021, and welcome to the forums :thumbsup:

If you're finding it difficult to get hold of some empty capsules, there is an easier way to consume the Canna oil/butter than mixing it with peanut butter or spreading it on toast.

As an example: When you've finished cooking your cannabis infused butter, you can simply pour it onto a small plate or saucer and then place in the fridge until it sets (if you're using coconut oil it sets as hard as candle wax).
Once solid, take it out and divide using the tip of a sharp knife to create the required number of doses and shape into 'swallow-able' sized pieces.
When finished, place in the freezer compartment for half an hour or so until frozen, then quickly wash down your 'iced' butter pellets with a glass of juice or similar.

That way there is very little opportunity for the butter to melt in your mouth, and therefore less chance of being put off by the 'weed' taste.
Hope this helps a bit, and good luck! :jointsmile:

p.s. Someone I know rolls the pellets in jam before swallowing and finds that helps even more.

Flameon

04-14-2008, 02:03 PM

I need to either get a crock pot or find something else.

Hi mspofford032579, how's it going?

Sorry to read you've been having a few problems 'hitting' a temperature 'sweet spot', but I can see from your posts that you have a very good understanding of the 'science' and techniques involved, so I'm more than hopeful we'll figure out a method that can crack it for you.

By the way, love the idea about using a coffee warmer, I've not considered that before and think it deserves a bit of further research.
I'll get back to you once I've had chance to look into it in more detail.
You're quite right about NOT using a USB powered cup warmer though, those things are only designed to keep the temperature at around 50/60 degrees Centigrade - too low for our purposes.
But the 'hot plate' of a coffee machine might well be hot enough?? I'll check it out and post up later.

Also, good work on posting up the pictures that was very useful.

I was wondering about the consistency of your oil/butter and think (using your pics as a guide) that the 'cakes' don't look quite right. Ideally, there shouldn't be such an obvious separation between the butter and plant material (as in your half brown, half butter coloured image).
I would expect to see ALL the butter taking on a brownish/dark green-ish colour, and suspect that a) the weed wasn't quite as finely ground as it needed to be, and b) the temperature was too low to dissolve, break down and melt the plant material and THC into your oil (again, not helped by the 'granular' size of the weed used).

My best advice is to grind as finely as you can and then cook a batch on a low-ish temperature (say around 90 degrees C - 195 degrees F) .
Try a small amount and refrigerate the rest. If it doesn't 'hit the spot', re-heat the mixture at a slightly higher temperature and repeat until you find the ideal formula.

By the way, nice work, and good luck - flame :thumbsup:

P.S. Hi to joyfuldinosaur

Good job on your first batch.
Glad to read it worked out well for you (even using mids on the first shot too!).
Coconut oil sets pretty hard at an average room temperature, but you're right about the summer weather being too warm for it to stay solid. Try a batch using the gelatin capsules though and you'll be fine. They'll only leak (or melt) if subjected to either a lot of shaking around or a very high temp.
Failing that, use the oil/butter in a 'low heat' brownie or cookie recipe and take those with you (low heat so you don't vape the THC in the butter). Generally, they won't smell of weed, but may taste a bit 'funky'.
Hope that helps. :thumbsup:

mspofford032579

04-15-2008, 09:09 PM

Hi mspofford032579, how's it going?

Good Actually :) I've had a couple of more successful batches- I'll go into detail in another post.

By the way, love the idea about using a coffee warmer [SNIP] You're quite right about NOT using a USB powered cup warmer though, those things are only designed to keep the temperature at around 50/60 degrees Centigrade - too low for our purposes.
But the 'hot plate' of a coffee machine might well be hot enough??

Exactly. In the states (not sure about the UK) there's a brand called 'Mr Coffee' and they sell Just the warming plate as an accessory. (see links below). Anyway- The specs say it operates at 212F/100C so it would be perfect...

Mr. Coffee Mug Warmer - MWBLK : Target (http://www.target.com/Mr-Coffee-Mug-Warmer-MWBLK/dp/B000CO89T8/sr=1-1/qid=1208293444/ref=sr_1_1/602-3859422-3851850?ie=UTF8&index=target&rh=k%3Acoffee%20warmer&page=1)
Accessories - Mug Warmer - MWBLK - Mr. Coffee (http://www.mrcoffee.com/Product.aspx?pid=1085)

suspect that a) the weed wasn't quite as finely ground as it needed to be,

Ground to dust with an electric coffee grinder.

b) the temperature was too low to dissolve, break down and melt the plant material and THC into your oil .

Exactly the problem. I think (fingers crossed). I used a crock pot and it's been working! Still problems though... It's sweet and sour. I'll go into more detail in a future post when I'm not so wasted on a batch of these things... I need to make adjustments because they don't seem to be 'saving' me any weed, and I don't consider myself to he a HEAVY stoner (anymore that is). Stay tuned because I'll probably post a bunch tonight or tomorrow...:stoned:

veggii

04-16-2008, 12:50 AM

Hey man these are a great idea. I have a question though. How do you think cops would handle these? I mean, lets just say you had a lot in your car and shit...how do you think they would go about weighing it/testing them to see how to "punish" you? Hopefully you see what I'm saying regarding these capsules potential ;). Just wondering how you think the "authorities" would handle these...thanks and great work. :hippy:

same as if you have hash> concentrated marjiuana :jointsmile:

trojanfan

04-16-2008, 03:37 AM

You actually take two of these before you go out? That really is impressive. These are definitely night time couchlock doses for my wife and I, when we go out we smoke, a totally different type of high. We each only take one and are usually knocked out for a good night sleep within 3 hours. I used some premium morrocon hash in my first batch and it definitely is the strongest batch i made. The second batch I used an 8th of some soap bar, its still strong but not like that first batch. I only have 16 of those capsules from the first batch left so I need to make those last until I can find some more premium hash.

Once again.. thank you for sharing this recipe.

Closet Smoker

04-17-2008, 03:57 AM

well I must say this is one of the best, most useful threads ive read on here! Flame I bow down at you...:clap: (I could not seem to find the bow smiley, so clap will do) I just made my first batch. I used 1 gram of some Very expensive headies, 6 grams of coconut oil, and cooked it in a glass shot glass in a crockpot for 2 hours. it came out beautifully (ill post some pics tomorrow) then I put it in the freezer for 5 minutes and it was almost rock hard, like very hard ice cream. I then stuffed full some 00 sized what used to be weight loss pills. the moved them to the fridge. I filled one half way up and just took it about 35 minutes ago and im just starting to feel it kick in. Im soooo excited, for my first time cooking with bud, i think i did a very good job. ill have an update tomorrow with pics.

Non

04-18-2008, 03:20 PM

so then Im guessing the temps of 212 or 225 are optimal? which one exactly? I want to make a good batch. Maybe 212 for making oil for brownies, and 225 for extract...

Closet Smoker

04-18-2008, 06:12 PM

sorry about the delay on pictures, but here they are... I did not get an pictures of the process(ill get some next time around) The orange pills are 00 and filled on the long and short side, packed to full capacity. The one red one left is a little smaller but still packed up tightly. Last night i took one orange and two reds, it took about an hour and a half to feel any thing, but it was not like a "trip" or anything, i would compare it to a Xanax bar or maybe two. It was a very very good pain killer after a LOOOOOONG day at work. i felt like i weighed 400lbs:D i could not move. it may have been the oil i used, as it was only 60% saturated fat and it was refined. Im going to buy some extra virgin next tiime and get a better thermometer.

Also a little 4-20-08 sac i just picked up;) some Purple Erkel :)

veggii

04-18-2008, 08:21 PM

Hey everyone man all these makeshift recipe's no proper records
of time and temperature. everyone's recipe is different :wtf:
I have been a chef a long time and time and temperature are
crucial when cooking anything!!!! I have been reading all the recipe's in this forum and what a big mess! very confusing :(
what info I have gathered looks to be that
<lowNslow> [175*/24hrs] will make a narcotic couchlock buzz <hotNfast> [325*/5min]+[175*/1hr] will give the giddyNgo buzz
I read that the resin heads do not melt until 280*!! so I agree with
masterwu on hitting over 280* for atleast 5 min. I wouldn't go much longer than 5 min, unless you have a sealed pressurized air tight container(threaded beaker/flask) to bake in, so you donot loose any vapor. MasterWu experimented the other day and made his recipe but left out heating @325* for 5 min and only heated it to 200*, when he tried it the buzz was nowhere near as potent as his recipe and more of a couchlock buzz. He wasn't very happy!! But then had a brainfart! and went and added more RUM to it and heated it up 325* for 5 min and walla it all cameback and he saved his Gd, He was mucho happy!! :D and he proved it needed heat!! but not too much heat now remember Quote "[THC vaporizes at about 380Â°F]" Covert before Extraction :dance:
ok I'm getting lost on what I am talking about know too much misinformation!! This one guy I know says he cooks his butter in a crockpot on warm(175*) for 4 days!! Says it comes out good
he doesn't wash it, just a light strain. oh ya I haven't had my meds yet today just min brb :jointsmile: ok I so made some butter yesterday and it just finished (24hr)will try it tommorrow.
This is what I did I clarified 1lb of butter.Then I measured out half of [email protected] I ground up 1/2oz put it in my pyrex measure cup and put it in my crockpot on warm(175*) came back here and started reading recipe's for awhile(2hrs), Then i got confused,and I decided to put some water in it(150ml) and raise the temp to
225* like the recipe I just read said too I was going have too keep flipin the temp switch between High and Low to keep it
@225* cause that is how the recipe said todo big mistake! ok so its on high and I come sit down start surfin web reading recipes puff a smoke and I started to smell the butter ...oh crap I forgot to go turn it down, I go look and its @310* it looked kinda brown
and all of the water was gone :( so I kooled down rite away and set temp back to warm @ (175*) (I did not replace water)and let it cook till today(24hrs). I did a very Light strain on it and put it in a jar in fridge as I want all of the thc the stuff I strained will be
eatin no waste! The little bit I tasted good I will try some soon making cookies ok I am going to go make them .....:thumbsup:

I think these might be good guidelines for canna cooking
<lowNslow> [175*/24hrs] will make a narcotic couchlock buzz
<hotNfast> [325*/5min]+[175*/1hr] will give the giddyNgo buzz
I might have to adjust the guidelines what do you guys think....

mspofford032579

04-18-2008, 09:09 PM

Sorry for the late reply- my wifes pc has a trojan. We've made a couple of successfull batches but there were so many changes made at once that it is difficult to tell which changes had te greatest effect.

First and most importantly- I used a Crock Pot, and to date it has been the only cooking appliance that's worked.

Another Important conclusion I drew was that it's important for the weed to be EXTREMELY well ground. The batch of this stuff we made that worked the best for us was ground up with an electric coffee grinder. My wife did a second batch later in the week with 'headies' (20 bucks a gram) but used our hand grinder thingy, and the final product wasn't anywhere near as good as the batch we made the first time. You want the weed to be so ground up it's like a fluffy pile of powdered sugar or something. Just put it in the grinder and leave it on until it all looks like kief. It will be somehat tough to remove, but with a little practice I learned to clear out 95% of the stuff from the grinder with a single circular swoop using the long flat edge of a book of matches.

The negative is that although I was finally successfull, I didn't really save any weed. I used mobyones advice and used about .5tsp of oil and added about a half gram of weed. I ended up adding almost another half gram to get the consistency correct (according to him) for a total of almost 1 gram of weed used. I simmered it, and the color didn't look right so we coked it a bunch more. My candy thermometer broke and I didn't keep good records so I have no clue what I did right. My wife and I split half of it, and after about three hours split the other half because we weren't satisfed. We smoked a couple of times and gave up but after almost six hours of waiting, we were the highest we'd been in years! But not a huge savings on the weed though.

I'm going to have to try to make the original recipe now that I've switched to the crock pot (~225F oil temperature when hot btw) for all my cooking needs, and report the results. And for everyone else; as soon as I can spare the time and buds, I plan on cooking four batches simultaneously for a set time. I'm thinking like 3.5-4 hours. Each seperate batch will have the same constant .5g in it- but I will do 1tsp of oil in one, .5tsp of oil in another... .25tsp... and .125tsp. I'll have to test one a night, and record my results as closely as I can, but I'm hoping to figure out the best cook time and the 'magic ratio' that will at least work for me...

-Mark

Flameon

04-18-2008, 10:23 PM

Hey everyone man all these makeshift recipe's no proper records
of time and temperature. everyone's recipe is different :wtf:
I have been a chef a long time and time and temperature are
crucial when cooking anything!!!! I have been reading all the recipe's in this forum and what a big mess! very confusing :(

Hi veggi and welcome to the thread (I think),

If the criticisms above are directed at the recipe forum in general, then I can understand (and can share) some of your frustration as to the amount of contradictory information contained within it. However, if you're referring to the contributions in this thread, then I must take issue with some of your your comments and the way you've expressed them.
As a chef, I would have expected you to have an appreciation and awareness of the temperature margins and variations that people using differing domestic ovens and crock pots are likely to encounter.
For example, the average oven set at 250 degrees F will vary quite dramatically depending on make, model, age, size and a whole host of other factors. A swing of 30 degrees F in either direction wouldn't be considered at all exceptional, but could well be the difference between a success or a failure.

One other point worth considering. Weed/hash (sadly) doesn't come packaged with a label indicating it's origin, sell by date or THC percentages (if only), so unfortunately we're in a position where the main ingredient used might contain anything from 5% to 25% THC. Therefore, two people might follow the same recipe, using the same techniques, even the same equipment, and still end up with wildly different results.

I read that the resin heads do not melt until 280*!!

I'd re-check that figure, I think you'll find that the THC boils at 280 and above, but in actual fact the resin heads 'melt' from around 125 to 170 degrees F.

I'd be interested to hear how you get on with the cannabutter you've made, and any other observations you have from a chefs perspective. Although it might be a better idea for you to start a separate thread though, as this ones predominately about making capsules and is pretty long already.

Cheers flame :thumbsup:

Flameon

04-18-2008, 10:31 PM

First and most importantly- I used a Crock Pot, and to date it has been the only cooking appliance that's worked.

Another Important conclusion I drew was that it's important for the weed to be EXTREMELY well ground. The batch of this stuff we made that worked the best for us was ground up with an electric coffee grinder. My wife did a second batch later in the week with 'headies' (20 bucks a gram) but used our hand grinder thingy, and the final product wasn't anywhere near as good as the batch we made the first time.

Hi again mspofford

Glad to hear you're getting improved results. A crock pot is definitely the way forward. You can still get inconsistencies from model to model etc, but they're 'generally' more reliable from a temperature point of view than a regular oven.

I'm looking forward to reading how you get on with the other batches.
If you get the chance, keep a record of temps and times, and most importantly 'field reports' for the effects, type and duration of the high. Should be useful info all round.

Good work! :jointsmile:

EmoRebellion

04-18-2008, 11:09 PM

The only coffee grinder I have is a burr grinder. Will that work, or is it going to be too hard to clean out?

bluebudmike

04-20-2008, 02:52 AM

i have a plant that is in the flowering stage. But the lower half of the plant has small leaves and branches. The leaves are curving under and some of the upper leaves are two. The leaves are green to dark green in color. there is no yellow leaves what do you think

mspofford032579

04-20-2008, 11:44 AM

EmoRebellion-
Glad to hear you're interested in trying this recipe. I'll warn you that there are a lot of variables involved here and there's a good possibility that you'll have problems before you have success, but if you can wait in there and stand to lose a little, you won't be disappointed. That said- I'm not exactly sure what burr grinder is, but from wat I can tell, they're quite large. It most likely will be difficult to clean out because you want to grind up your weed super fine. I can't stress that enough. You want to grind that weed up until it's DUST. If you can Identify it as weed pieces before you add it to your oil- it's not ground up enough. For that reason, if you use a huge grinder, you're going to spend forever cleaning every last morsel of that special dust out of it. My advice- buy one of these:

Linens 'n Things - Krups Coffee Grinder (http://www.lnt.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1355389)

It's the one I use myself. If you're obsessed with this thing working on the first try, then go with mobyone's advice, and use way less oil. Start with a small ramekin, or maybe a cut out section of a mini muffin tin, and put it in the bottom of your crock pot. Use half a teaspoonfull of oil or less, heat it up on high until it's melted, and add like a half gram of powdered weed. Keep adding weed until, like mobyone said, until there's enough oil to reach the top of the weed without being able to see a skim film of oil on top. Then cook that bad boy for 3-4 hours on high. Stir once or twice at even intervals. Once it's done, harden it in the fridge, and eat some pieces of it. If you did it right, about half of your 'cake' will get you more wasted than you've ever been. Once you get a taste of success you can start playing with your weed/oil ratio and cooking times/temps to get it right for you.

The biggest problem with evryone not having enough success with this thing, is that we all want to end up at the same concentration in our final product, whilst all using the same recipe, but we're all using different kinds of weed. The above described method should more or less guarantee that you'll get really high, but if you want to use this recipe to save weed, then you're going to have to undergo a substantial amount of research yourself. Everyone wants the same results from the same recipe with the same temperatures and cook times, but since we're not using the same grade ingredients, that's just not possible... I hope this helps...

-Mark

mspofford032579

04-20-2008, 01:57 PM

OK- So I've been having problems with this recipe from the start as some of you may know, and I've had some success as well. In order to better explain this to some others who may be confused, I came up with this analogy.

Making these capsules work can be compared to making yourself a cup of coffee in the morning. Just like you dissolve sugar into your coffee, you are trying to dissolve THC into your liquid oil. It's important to remember that this is only a PHYSICAL change and not a chemical reaction... Sure, the heat from the crock pot or oven or whatever may act as a catalyst to complete the curing process, and thereby complete some incomplete metabolism of the psychoactive components (of your weed) along the way, but for purposes of example, we're going to ignore that effect.

Secondly, it is important to understand why we use oil in the first place: Everything you eat first goes to your stomach. DUH. From there, solids go to the intestines, and liquids go to the liver. When you take one of these pills, you must not think of yourself as "eating" the THC, but rather "drinking" it. Since the melting point of coconut oil is 70F, your body heat is more than enough to melt it shortly after entry, so it's in liquid state and goes to the liver and not the colon. Remember, we're trying to get as much of the THC in your weed as possible to dissolve into the oil so that it goes to the liver ad NOT the intestines. If you read flames explanation, the reason is because the Liver not the stomach, small intestine, or colon, metabolizes the THC differently than the digestive track does, and actually does change the THC chemically. Marinol/dronabinnol works almost exactly the same way BTW, which is why it's not uncommon to see people who take it legitimately to either use less or claim they can't use it because it gets them too high, even though the dosing amount per pill is rather small. For that (the explanation about the liver) reason, you should consider any THC that doesn't dissolve in the oil to be wasted since it's not concentrated enough to have much effect at all once it goes to the intestines.

Getting back to the coffee cup analogy. When you make a cup of coffee, you can add sugar to it, but if you keep adding sugar to the coffee, you will reach a point where it doesn't matter how hot the coffee is, you simply can't melt any more sugar in the coffee- it'll just stay slushy at the bottom. Once you've reached this point it doesn't matter how much you stir or how hot you get your mix. It simply won't absorb any more sugar unless you add more coffee first. This is because you have reached the maximum point of solution, where the coffee physically can't absorb any more. By definition it is saturated.

If you think of the THC in the weed as the sugar, and the oil as the coffee, this is the point you want to arrive at: Oil at 100% saturation, so as to ensure every gram of oil contains as much activated THC as it possibly can, and at the same time, you want as little THC remaining possible left in the powdered weed, since the powdered weed will be digested and not metabolized by the liver, and can therefore be assumed as having the lowest contributing factor. Getting a standardized figure for exactly how much weed to use with how much oil is almost impossible because we're definitely not all using the same grade weed and most of us can't even get a bag of the same stuff twice in a row... Hash would be better for this recipe because it has a high THC content to begin with, but in my part of the country at least, it's almost impossible to find...

Anyway- the problem with reaching 100%THC saturation in your oil, without leaving lots of THC behind in your weed, is that you won't be able to tell when you've achieved these results by any physical means. Mobyone suggested using just enough oil to barely cover the weed, and the idea worked for me but I didn't save any weed. I'm guessing that I was able to saturate the oil I used 100% because there was plenty of wasted THC left behind in the powdered weed as well.This would explain why I still got REALLY high but didn't save much weed over smoking. The moral of the story here is that this recipe WILL work when executed with care and control, BUT in order to start seeing the 'savings' anyone serious enough to do this on a regular basis will have to do a substantial amount of tweaking to get the 'magic formula' for them.

Another physical phenomenon that no one in this thread has given any consideration to is the property known as 'diffusion.' Remember- the cooking portion of this exercise is PHYSICAL SCIENCE not chemistry. The chemistry which drives this thing takes place in your liver, not in the kitchen. Remember that. Anyway, diffusion refers to the natural tendency of things to transition from the point of greatest concentration to a state of concentration equilibrium on their own. Examples include:

Putting a drop of food coloring in a glass and not stirring it: the color will eventually mix itself
Leaving a jar of scented oil open on a counter top until the whole room smells (ever heard of a 'reed diffuser'?)
and so on...

So based on that physical property, there is bound to be some THC left in your weed no matter what because according to the properties of diffusion, the THC is in it's greatest concentration while it is in the ground plant material, and is 'diffusing' into the oil from the weed in order to reach a concentration equilibrium. By equilibrium what is meant is that if you sample a regulation amount of the mix, you should have he same potency of THC per weight, no matter whether you sample a section that is mostly oil, or has lots of powdered weed ground up in it. Or in other words, even if you could calculate exactly how many micrograms of THC you were starting with, and you were able to do the math and figure out how much oil to use in order to saturate that amount of oil 100% with that amount of THC, you still won' get the oil 100% saturated because some THC will need to stay in the weed in order to satisfy the rules of diffusion and reaching the so called equilibrium, where the concentration of THC throughout the homogeneous mix MUST be the same no matter which portion of the mix you sample. This SUCKS because some of the THC, by definition, HAS to stay trapped in the weed, where it will inevitably be wasted because it is digested and NOT metabolized by the liver where we want it to be.

In order to express this concept a little more clearly- imagine if weed was legal and Walgreen's was renamed Allgreens lol. So anyway you go down to your local pharmacy and buy a gram of this oil, which has already been saturated 100% with activated THC- with all the powdered weed removed. If you put that oil in a container in a crock pot, and added ground commercial HEMP (with NO THC content), and try to work this recipe in REVERSE you will probably slowly dissolve a small amount of your THC from the oil into the plant material in order to satisfy the rules of equilibrium- equal concentration THROUGHOUT a homogeneous mix. In theory, you could strain off the ground hemp material, dry it, smoke it, and get high. This is just an example for purposes of clarity to explain the physics at play here a little better, so don't try it. What I'm trying to say is that you'll never remove 100% of your THC from your weed, but you do need to figure out the point at which you're getting diminishing returns by adding more oil, and stop adding oil at THAT point.

Think of this like a teabag- you can make a cup of tea with it, but if you save it, you can make a second cup of weak tea because it's impossible to dissolve all of the tea components into the water because of equilibrium. The first cup of tea will be the strongest, but each cup brewed from the same bag thereafter will be logarithmically weaker than the previous cup. It's not a direct relation. I'm working on another theory that you can strain the weed particles back out of the oil and make a second batch from the same weed that will be as strong as the first batch by using less oil. Think of the teabag again- you can brew a strong cup of tea the first time, but you can make tea with the reused bag that's almost as strong as the original tea by using less water the second time... In order to do this with powdered weed, the project may require expensive sophisticated filtration equipment which would make the process impractical, but I'm hoping that understanding how it works will help everyone out in the first place... If there was a way to strain your ground wed back out of the oil without losing the oil, then re-cook the weed using 1/3 as much oil, I'd bet you could stretch your yields without much affect on potency, but technology does not allow us to perform that kind of filtration with any degree of efficiency so it'll have to stay a theory.

This whole project is best explained using the teabag analogy- you're trying to make the greatest quantity of the strongest tea possible from ONE teabag, but you don't know how potent the teabag is in the first place. I hope this helps others to understand what's going on here a little better, and doesn't serve to discourage or confuse. What I'm really trying to say is that anyone serious of this should experiment with a constant amount of the same weed, and a constant temperature and cook time, and vary the oil content to determine the ratio which will work for them. If you've read my other posts, I'm planning on doing this myself within the next month, but I'm strapped financially right now... Best of luck to those who are going to try this- don't give up! it's worth it in the end :) Also, if anyone here has a degree in chemistry or whatever and would care to clarify what I've said; my ears are wide open.

-Mark

mspofford032579

04-20-2008, 03:03 PM

Ok. Sorry to reply to my own post, but I'm not done here lol. I'm sorry I don't have any cool pictures to help captivate your attention but bear with me here- I think I'm on to something. My windows pc has a nasty trojan mcaffe can't seem to peel off and my windows pc also keeps thermally overheating...

My first batch was executed the same way mobyone suggested- with barely enough oil to cover my weed. It came out black and got me and my wife plenty high, but wasted about a gram of weed which equals no savings...

Based on my theory of solubility however, I made a second batch. This time I started the same mix I made before, but after the oil turned dark and all, I added about 30% more oil. The oil was dark green when it was finished, but not the same brown. In the end, the mix didn't get me as intensely high as before, but it did work, and it produced a different high. (same weed used for both batches btw) A more of a couch lock spacey quiet high as opposed to an intense head high. Also it seemed to spread out over a longer time period- probably because my liver was keeping up with the slow steady trickling release of a less dense dose over a longer period of time.

My theory is this- you can adjust the type of high your mix will produce, but you are also limited to how fast your liver can metabolize the psychoactive components of your mix. Think of it like trying to push water through a funnel. It's limited by the maximum flow of the funnel. The more watered down with oil and less concentrated overall your mix is, the less heady the high will be. I think this is because your liver doesn't somehow process the THC first or last, but rather as it arrives throughout the mix. My belief is that the intense head high is produced (obviously) by your brain being flooded by as much THC byproducts at once. Also, another variable nobody else considered is that the waiting period before you get high, how high you get, and how long the high will last are also affected by your own individual body metabolism, which is also affected by diet, exorcise, and whether or not they smoke cigarettes- that is, a morbidly obese individual will have to eat more and wait longer to get high because their metabolism is slower, but their high might last longer because a slow metabolism will take longer to burn off the THC byproducts. Inversely; A skinny person who can't seem to gain a pound no matter how much they eat, will have a higher metabolism. That person will probably need to eat less and wait less time to get RIPPED but because their metabolism is so fast, the resulting high probably won't last as long as it would for others...

What does this mean to you? Experiment on your own using your own methods and your equipment. Once you find the happy midway point that works for you, play with it to adjust the resulting high! Less oil should produce a more intense 'heady' type high with lots of activity, and take less time to kick in. On the other hand- adding more oil to your verified (control) recipe will cause your liver to slowly trickle its way through the same amount of THC, thereby never producing the overwhelming head high that others desire, and instead, dragging a 'decent buzz' out over the course of more hours... Add too much oil though, and your mix will be too diluted for your liver to process the ingredients fast enough to give you any high whatsoever... A good parallel would be if you smoked one bowl by yourself and got somewhat high for an hour or two, versus spending an hour or two smoking the whole bowl- you just won't get as high. Well... with this recipe, too much oil and you won't get high at all because the liver is more sensitive to this time factor.

Anyway, I'm pretty committed to this project, so as soon as I can I'm going to do as much 'research' (lol) as I can and post my findings. Until then- best of luck to everyone else in your quest to make counterfeit marinol!

CHEERS!

-Mark

trojanfan

04-20-2008, 03:26 PM

Thanks for taking the time to write that up mspofford. It was very informative and gave me much to ponder. Especially since I picked up a few grams of some premium Lavevender kush hash. I wont make it for a few more weeks because I still have plenty left over from my first two batches. But after reading your write up I may tweak the recipe a bit and add some more oil. My first batch may be too strong because it knocks my wife and I out.

mspofford032579

04-22-2008, 02:02 AM

I would recomend using or purchasing a 'mortar and pestle' to grind that hash into a fine fine powder. I'm not entirely sure a coffee grinder would work for that. Also, unless you made capsules, you could try to re-heat a portion of your I would recomend using or purchasing a 'mortar and pestle' to grind that hash into a fine fine powder. I'm not entirely sure a coffee grinder would work for that. Also, unless you made capsules, you could try to re-heat a portion of your existing finished finished product and add a bit of oil. Try a sample size amount first so you don't ruin a batch. Don't worry about 'cooking' it too long either- my best batch was cooked a bunch of different ways/times for probably 10-12 hours total... I doubt cooking for extended periods after you've reached 'total saturation' makes any difference, but I bet the extra cook time sure as hell ensures you reach that point.

-M

lunarose

04-22-2008, 03:10 AM

Mark,

Excellent post. There are a couple errors on the liver-digestion process. First off everything goes through the intestines from there capillaries gather the broken down digested matierals and take it via the portal vein into the liver. That's why it takes so long to feel the effects the THC doesn't just need to get into the blood stream it needs to be filtered through the liver where it's stucture is changed slightly and then it hits the brain. Also the oil is needed because the human body can not digest and absorb all plant material but will readily absorb oil some easier then others and that is why you can get different results using different oils.

Emo,

A burr grinder would be a bitch to clean! You want a regular coffee grinder that you can get into so you can scrape out what sticks to the sides and it will stick. Mr. Coffee makes one that is less then $20 I got mine at Walmart it has a "cleaning system" that helps with the scraping.

mspofford032579

04-23-2008, 01:39 AM

Also the oil is needed because the human body can not digest and absorb all plant material but will readily absorb oil some easier then others and that is why you can get different results using different oils.

Thanks for the feedback lunarose. Have you tried this with any other oils? Flameon says ghee or coconut oil are best... Any suggestions for other oils which are different or better? How would you describe the results from different oils. Is it just not as high, or do different oils produce different highs?

-Mark (not really mark hehe)

lunarose

04-23-2008, 10:09 PM

Hi,

I have tried both olive oil and cocconut oil and really did not notice a difference. Right now I use a mixture of the two. I think oils with saturated and unsaturated fats plus triglycerides are best. I have also used the oils that Cannabrex(sp?) makes especially for making the capsules and I didn't notice any difference with that either. Of course each batch was made with different strains so...... I would have to grow a good size single crop and then try different oils.......all in the name of science of course(G)

I was thinking about what you wrote about solubility and have an idea for an experiment I want to try based on your tea bag analogy. I am thinking of making a small batch using double to oil. After cooking it for two hours I'll drain off as much of the oil as I can and use a syringe to fill the caps with just the oil. Then add the "regular" amount of oil to get the "regular" consistancy re-cook it and encapsulate that.

I made a new batch last night which I'll be trying tonight with a great slow cooker I just bought. It isn't your typical crockpot with a timer and "low, high and Warm" temp settings it has instead a knob with warm and then exact temps at 50 degree intervals between 200 - 400 F. No timer but that isn't important to me because I usually end up sitting there watching the clock and staring at the cooker(G). Anyway the batch I made I had the cooker set at 250 and preheated it (it has a pilot light that tells you when its reached its temp) let it cook for 2 1/2 hours then unplugged it and left it in the cooker to cool. I double checked the temp with a candy thermometer and it was spot on 250. And it was only $25 at Walmart!

subzero

04-24-2008, 12:36 AM

Hi, I've been watching this great thread evolve and have sat back and said nothing. Thanks to Flameon and weedhound and everyone else involved in this thread.. you have changed my world!

This worked for me first time, this is how I did mine.

12 grams of dryed and cured / de-stemmed bc hasplant/grimm (AKA Bigfoot). I ran the buds through a strainer to get rid of ALL the wood, then I put the strained bud in an oven preheated to around 300f for about 5 min just to get rid of any residual moisture that was in it.(no other reason). I then put the 12 grams into an electric coffee grinder and made it into the finest powder possible ( still weighing 12 grams). Most of the powder will come out easily if the weed is properly dry. Got out the slow cooker and preheated 56grams of coconut oil to 80c-85c (low) in a soup bowl, dropped in the powdered bud and gave it a stir. The oil immediatly turned dark green like it was food dye and it looked like most of the powder actually dissolved. I watched the temps for 2 hours not letting it get above 90c, stirring again at 1 hour in. Then I turned the crock up to high and stirred it and left it to fluctuate between 226 f and 228, mixture temp. At this point the smell even smelled right. On the lower temp it smelled like faint coconut but now it was a coconutty / hashy sort of makes you want to eat it smell. At one point it briefly reached 230f ish and now the smell was a hint of a burning. I will always judge the temps with smell now as well as with the thermometer. Anyways cooked at 226 for 1 hr (very slightly bubbling), stirred then cooked at same for another 1 hr 15min, switched the crock off, stirred really well (now looks a hashy brown but no obvious residue in the mix). I then left the thermometer in and waited until it cooled to about 50c, took a 100ml siringe (big bastard with no needle that the nozzle happens to be about the same size as the end of a 00 capsule) and whilst stirring with the siringe, sucked up the whole mixture. There was a bit of residue on the bottom of the bowl but with the quick stirring and sucking at the same time with the siringe, every drop was sucked up :thumbsup:. Now the tricky part is to fill the capsules up right? :wtf:
With the siringe just warm to the touch (mixture still liquid just press on the plunger gently and a bit of residue along with mostly oil will drip into each capsule (about 10 drips to fill a 00). I used a cigarette package with some holes (10) I made with a pen, in it. It worked ok but have now ordered a holder. I Made 10 put them in the fridge, made another 10 ect.

I got 70 full capsules in total form 12 grams of really good quality, dry gear.

Yesterday I did the test.. 1 capsule at 1pm had a good buzz after 1.5 to 2hrs then at 3pm took another. 2hrs later i'm really high by now and at 5pm I took number 3. By 8pm I am almost too high and a bit of paranoia set in but I had some food and closed my eyes for half an hour and was great after that. It is now 1:15 AM and I am still really high now!

Next time I will use a bit more oil because these really are a bit too strong. I have been smoking about 2 grams of this same weed everyday for about 3 months and I thought that I had a high tolerance to it but this is a whole different ballgame!!! :stoned:

I think that making a decent size batch will help people having trouble keep their temps more constant. Also the powdered weed is a must. The mix didn't look like it had any residue and certainly no visible weed in it during the process until i sucked it up with the siringe and even that went up the hole without any real hassle.
Finally, use the best quality weed you can get, the more tricomes (crystals) the better cuz that what getz u high.

Good luck everyone!

Thanks again all and good night!

ps with a ml marked siringe like i used, you can judge how many capsules you will get as well because about .9ml fills 1 -00 capsule.

Subzero. :D

Non

04-25-2008, 12:10 AM

yeah I read somewhere that at 230 F plant matter starts to burn.

and then supposedly decarboxylation happens at 224 F (?) or something. so I figured best bet is between 224 and 229 (just to make sure).

I still haven't really made for sure yet. I want to make a batch at 225, and another at 212 just to test if 212 works. but I've got my hopes on 225.

what sux tho is that using my oven its kinda hard to keep it at 225, it either goes too low or too high, and I want it exactly at 225. maybe if I found a crockpot which keeps it at 225 no more no less...

regards

Non

04-25-2008, 03:24 PM

I also wanna try a batch in between the temps of 212 and 225 F just to see. and one of these have to be good for brownies. I feel like Im getting closer.....

Flameon

04-25-2008, 05:01 PM

Thanks for the feedback lunarose. Have you tried this with any other oils? Flameon says ghee or coconut oil are best... Any suggestions for other oils which are different or better? How would you describe the results from different oils. Is it just not as high, or do different oils produce different highs?

-Mark (not really mark hehe)

Hi again Mark (not really mark) :D

The use or choice of Coconut oil, butter or any other oil for that matter, is based upon a number of critical elements.

Firstly, as THC is not water soluble it has to be made to bond with a fatty substance in order to be digestible to humans.

In truth, although virtually any oil will bond with the THC, what we're really looking for is a oily substance that can be easily absorbed through the walls of the intestines without significant loss of potency.

Ideally, short to medium chain fatty acids are the most suitable for this purpose, as longer chain fatty acids take longer to be broken down, and in some cases, will take so long as to seriously dilute the resultant effects.
Hydrogenated fats (as found in things like margarine), can interfere with the actions of the bile acids in the stomach, while oils such as 'Olive oil' are high in polyunsaturated fats (longer chain).

If you're particularly interested I can go into greater detail as to the 'why's and what's', so just let me know.
There are a couple of alternatives that are worth experimenting with such as sesame oil (also used in the production of Marinol) etc. But they won't affect the type of high you get, just the amount of THC that gets 'transferred' into the blood stream, and how long it takes.
High in 'saturated' fat and you won't go too far wrong.

Cheers flame :thumbsup:

Hi, I've been watching this great thread evolve and have sat back and said nothing. Thanks to Flameon and weedhound and everyone else involved in this thread.. you have changed my world!

Hi Subzero and thanks for the input and feedback.

Excellent work and a really detailed explanation of the method you used. Textbook, and Almost identical to my own routine!

"Anyways cooked at 226 for 1 hr (very slightly bubbling), stirred then cooked at same for another 1 hr 15min, switched the crock off, stirred really well"

Very good observation (wish I'd thought to include that in the original instructions).

Glad it worked out well for you. :thumbsup:

BurnhardLonger

04-25-2008, 08:27 PM

1-Would you guys decaboxilize your weed just for smoking?

(Im asume if the weed isnt better after decaboxilizing, then its not ready to cook w/oil???????? By better I mean more intense high.)

2-And if you had only bud ,would you use it in that form for caps. or 'shake it down' for hash and use that for caps instead?

(I think I know this-If I wanna take the time to sift my buds for hash that would be better. but did I get it all ? Would the oil method get more out of the bud?)

3-Like, breaking it down further.Would that get more out of heated butter/weed?Put it in a Vita Mix? or regular blender.

(I read some where that a blender is to harsh for thc,but then some say use mortor/pestle.) ?????????????

THanks !!,Chris (my real name)~

mspofford032579

04-25-2008, 11:45 PM

Hi again Mark (not really mark) :D

The use or choice of Coconut oil, butter or any other oil for that matter, is based upon a number of critical elements.

Flame- I had been meaning to ask you a couple questions... I posted a picture of my oil with the nutrition facts andf stuff and I wanted to make sure it was all set... Also, is it a MUST to 'activate' the weed by putting it in the oven for a few minutes first? I have been making these things for like two weeks now and I only got REALLY high once... I'm still waiting on better supplies etc so Some of it is still a mystery to me, but I just want to make sure I've at least got some of it under control... It would be a bitch to find out I've been cooking this shit for a month or whatever with the wrong oil lol! Anyway, I still owe you big thanks for getting me THAT high in the first place... I'll get it right eventually, when my stoned ass can think clearly again! Cheers!

subzero

04-26-2008, 12:04 AM

Hi Flame,

although i had great success on my first attempt I have a feeling that the cooking at low temps (below 90c) for the first two hours probally was a waste of time. Things really seemed to happen at around 225f and definitely below 230f in the last two hours. In your vast experience would you think that 3 hours at 226F would be a better use of time? I think the rest of my proceedure will give me consistant results as long as the quality weed is available.

your opinion please. :thumbsup:

Subzero

Flameon

04-26-2008, 08:35 AM

Hi guys

Flame- I had been meaning to ask you a couple questions... I posted a picture of my oil with the nutrition facts andf stuff and I wanted to make sure it was all set... Also, is it a MUST to 'activate' the weed by putting it in the oven for a few minutes first? I have been making these things for like two weeks now and I only got REALLY high once... I'm still waiting on better supplies etc so Some of it is still a mystery to me, but I just want to make sure I've at least got some of it under control... It would be a bitch to find out I've been cooking this shit for a month or whatever with the wrong oil lol! Anyway, I still owe you big thanks for getting me THAT high in the first place... I'll get it right eventually, when my stoned ass can think clearly again! Cheers!

The coconut oil you've got is absolutely fine.
I tend to favour coconut oil over ghee (clarified butter), due to: it's healthier nature, greater saturated fat content, and the fact that it sets hard like candle wax when cooled.

'Activating' weed in the oven (i.e. decarbing), is a way to 'force' out any remaining water/moisture in the plant material, and can help convert any 'inactive' THCA (non-psychoactive acids) into 'active' THC.
It's an essential step for recipes that might not use heat (like green dragon), but less so if you'll be using heat anyway to prepare your recipe (as in this case). However, it wont do any harm as long as your careful not to use too high a temp and vape any off.

Hi Flame,

although i had great success on my first attempt I have a feeling that the cooking at low temps (below 90c) for the first two hours probally was a waste of time. Things really seemed to happen at around 225f and definitely below 230f in the last two hours. In your vast experience would you think that 3 hours at 226F would be a better use of time? I think the rest of my proceedure will give me consistant results as long as the quality weed is available.

your opinion please. :thumbsup:

Subzero

Getting the temperature 'just right' is the trickiest part of the process I'm afraid. Mostly due to the extended cooking times we're cooking for.
i.e. under the THC melting point, and nothing happens no matter how long we cook for, but, drift too high over the THC vaporisation point and you'll end up losing much of the potency over three hours.

In my case, I tend to cook mostly in batches of around 20 (capsules), which usually means cooking the oil in an egg cup.
However, this creates two problems, the 'ceramic' material it's made from acts to 'protect' the oil from the intensity of heat, and also means that the mixture is not in contact with the base of the crock pot (where the heat is emanating from), but is suspended an inch or so in mid air.
To compensate for this, I'll usually allow the temperature to go up to between 260 and 275 F, however, if the mix was in direct contact with the heat source, than this might be too much.

Regarding the 90 C issue, I would tend to agree, the THC starts to melt at temps above 80 C, however to really be sure of dissolving it all I think you should be aiming for at least 110 C.
i.e. (as you already pointed out) when you see a thin stream of bubbles your on the money.

A couple of final tips worth trying.
Get the temp high at the beginning to 'kick' start the process, then simmer at a slightly lower figure for an hour or two, before giving it a final burst.
Also, in my experience an extended simmer period will 'degrade' the THC (much like choosing a time to harvest) giving a 'stonier' high, while a shorter duration gives more of a clearer head high. But remember, too short at too low a temp and you won't extract all the THC, too long at too high and. . .

Anyhow, good luck and let me know how you're getting on.
Cheers
Flame :thumbsup:

Bloooo

04-27-2008, 03:29 PM

New batch. This is my fourth try. All three before were OK, but none were as quite as potent as I wanted.

I want the potency to be where I can take one and have a nice steady buzz but be able to drive and function. I've had to take two at a time for that level on my first three batches. I want three capsules to be potent enough to make sure I don't go anywhere for a while. I'm not getting this with previous batches.

While I'd like to think it's because I'm such a badass stoner that I could even smoke Flameon under the table, I think it's really just that I don't get very good weed. (Although, we could always meet and have a toke-off, Flame. :D)

So this batch uses Flameon's original formula except I used 1.5 g of fairly pure keif (gathered by panning and scraping my grinder and then setting the keif aside to stockpile it) and .5 g of powdered bud/leaf. I've been smoking this bag for two weeks so I know it's not more potent than what I used for the previous batches. Summary: Coconut oil, temp of 90-100 C, 2.5 hours cooking time, and size 00 caps.

I'll be taking one of these one evening this week to test it. I have high hopes for this batch.

Oh, also: I found a coffeemaker that puts my oil at 90C on the candy thermometer and in a ceramic dish that sits about 1.5 cm from the element. :thumbsup:

Opie Yutts

04-27-2008, 08:41 PM

... ...

Oh my goodness. Sorry I've got nothing about capsules or cooking, but I was lurking and saw this guys name. I laugh my ass off at this, but I'm sure many people won't get it. Nice one.

Again, sorry, but I just had to say something.

mspofford032579

04-29-2008, 01:07 AM

right on flame! I've been cooking mine too long! Sometimes up to 8 hours! I thought as long as I stayed below the vape point, the extraction would just keep getting better. My experience was like being high without the high; I took a huge leak, and ate like two dinners, and got really tired.not high. Just tired. They did an ok job at relieving my back pain though. When I get more "essential supplies'" I'll make new batches and try real hard not to exceed 2.5 hours or so. Sometimes the shit is green and not a nice tar brown, so it kind of has to get cooked some more if that happens. -mark

Non

04-30-2008, 03:31 AM

ive been having trouble finding a crockpot that has specific adjustable temperature control.. do they even sell those?

mspofford032579

04-30-2008, 06:58 PM

Ok- so my wife made another one of these last night and it seemed to go a bit better. Another small batch (i'll post some pics later). The 'cake' weighed 2.2-2.3g when it was done and only had about .6-.7g of weed in it, so that's about 1.6g oil to .7g weed. In teaspoonfulls, I think it equates to 3/8... Anyway, preheated oil in crock pot on high (I'll have to ask my wife what the temps came out to) and added weed. Cooked on high for 20-30 mins, then stirred and switched to low, cooked that way for another 1.5-2 hours, and switched back to low for 20 minutes or so. Cooled in fridge and each ate half. We were both pretty messed up a couple hours later, but STILL not as good as the time I got the most wasted on these things... One thing that might be worth noting is that my eyes wouldn't point in the same direction for like an hour and a half at least... My left eye would look where I was trying to look, but my right eye was always turned inward at least 30 degrees... Pretty good buzz, but it was more like a compliment to a smoking session because I wasn't so high that I couldn't tolerate smoking as well- if you can imagine anyone who's so wasted their vision won't track properly, and they still want to smoke more... I'm hardcore. Also when I tried to look around rotating my head, it felt like it was skipping in a non fluid motion. I felt like a robot that needed grease, and it was pretty 'giggly' I hope to perfect the recipe so I can get that first high back, but this definitely represents some progress... I'll post pics and more data later...

-Mark

mspofford032579

05-01-2008, 12:16 AM

Hey flame, sorry to bug you but I posted a question about this stuff in a drug testing forum weeks ago and I didn't receive a single reply. Could you tell me what you think?

http://boards.cannabis.com/drug-testing/153446-could-method-keep-urine-cleaner.html

Thanks in advance
-Mark

vastoner28

05-01-2008, 02:45 AM

Can this be cooked in a toaster oven broiler. It has a bake mode and a temperature dial, but i wasn't sure if the weed would get burnt. Has anyone tried this?

Thanks

mobyone

05-01-2008, 06:17 PM

Ok, so I made another batch and I'd say that if you follow these simple instructions, you should have good results. I don't know which of these really matter, it's just that it works for me.

1) COMPLETELY dry out your weed.

It should be so dry you really don't even need a grinder or whatever. It should crumble in your fingers. I let it sit out for 2 or 3 days to get to this point.

2) Grind it to a dust.

I use a stainless type of pepper mill where you have to push down on a "piston" and it causes a metal bar to grind against the weed. It is a P.I.T.A to operate, but it does a great job. Mine is so fine I have to be careful not to breathe too close to it or I'll blow it away.

3) Pre-heat the oil in the crockpot on high.

High for my crockpot is 325F.

4) Cook at least 3.5 grams at a time.

Like I said, I don't know if it matters or not, but I usually cook at least this much.

5) Put your weed in whatever kind of container you are using and pour the oil on top just to the point that all of the weed is saturated.

You really don't want a layer of "just oil" on the top. When it is finished and cooled, you should not see a layer of yellow on top.

6) Cook for 6 hours.

Again, I have no idea how much this really matters. I suspect that 3 hours is sufficient, but I've had great results with 6 hours. Also, my oil ends up pretty dark with MAYBE a slight green tint to it on top. The rest is brown/black.

7) Don't use the gel caps.

For me, the release takes longer and the high is lower when using gel caps. When cool, the oil should be hard and easy to cut into sections with a knife. I cook mine in a shallow metal muffin pan and just leave it in the when I'm done. I cut it like a pie and when I eat a slice, I just quickly crunch it up with my front teeth (so it doesn't get stuck in my molars) and swallow it with a drink of water.

8) Don't eat ANYTHING for 4 or 5 hours before dosing.

I eat lunch at 11:15am and dose around 4 or 5 pm. I've noticed big differences when only waiting 2 or 3 hours and also when eating a small snack any time before dosing. EMPTY STOMACH.

9) Eat a meal about 1/2 hour after dosing.

I don't know why, but the high kicks into a higher gear if I eat about 30 minutes after dosing.

10) Use a crockpot that secures the lid.

I really have no idea if this matters or not. My crockpot locks down the lid on both sides and this creates pressure inside the crockpot. Part of me suspects that it prevents THC from gassing off and the other part of me suspects that it doesn't mean shit.

12) If possible, exercise before dosing.

I do 30+ minutes at the gym almost every day and I definitely notice a difference on the days I work out. Eating 30 minutes after dosing on an exercise day makes an even bigger difference.

13) Enjoy the buzz.

I cooked a whole quarter (7 grams) this last time and I would guestimate that I will get about 28 good doses out of it. So, that comes out to .25 grams per dose. I think that's pretty reasonable for a good high. Taking .5 grams is a REALLY GREAT high and anything over .5 is a rocket ride.

I now GREATLY prefer eating over vaping and I'll never smoke ever again. I like how it comes on slow and natural. You get a very pleasant feeling for an hour and then it really kicks in. The transition gives you time to adjust and it feels more natural to me.

If you do all that and it doesn't work, I can only assume that you are buying schwag. I don't have great connections and consider the bud I get to be pretty average or a little above. I can't imagine doing this with some high quality weed.

The condensed version:
1) COMPLETELY dry out your weed.
2) Grind it to a dust.
3) Pre-heat the oil in the crockpot on high. (325F)
4) Cook at least 3.5 grams at a time.
5) Put your weed in whatever kind of container you are using and pour the oil on top just to the point that all of the weed is saturated.
6) Cook for 6 hours.
7) Don't use the gel caps.
8) Don't eat ANYTHING for 4 or 5 hours before dosing.
9) Eat a meal about 1/2 hour after dosing.
10) Use a crockpot that secures the lid.
12) If possible, exercise before dosing.
13) Enjoy the buzz.

mobyone

Flameon

05-02-2008, 08:05 AM

Hi Guys

ive been having trouble finding a crockpot that has specific adjustable temperature control.. do they even sell those?

Hi Non
There's quite a few different types of 'crock pot' these days. The ones I tend to use are pretty basic (hence the need for a separate oven thermometer), but you can get digitally controlled models where you set the temperature and the 'pot' maintains it. Some 'pots' come with 'probes' that you could put in the oil to monitor temp. They cost a bit more (expect to pay upwards of $40), but I hear they do the job well.

Hey flame, sorry to bug you but I posted a question about this stuff in a drug testing forum weeks ago and I didn't receive a single reply. Could you tell me what you think?

http://boards.cannabis.com/drug-testing/153446-could-method-keep-urine-cleaner.html

Thanks in advance
-Mark

Hi Mark

Thanks for posting the link. It's something I looked into myself a little while back so I'll post up what I was able to discover in more detail later on that thread, but the short answer is .. I'm not sure, but I don't think so.

There was a scientific study back in 2000 that looked at how much THC the average person could consume (bound in oil) on a daily basis before it would show up on a typical workplace drug testing program and it would seem the amounts we're taking are above the line.

Can this be cooked in a toaster oven broiler. It has a bake mode and a temperature dial, but i wasn't sure if the weed would get burnt. Has anyone tried this?

Thanks

Hi vastoner
Yeah, a toaster oven seems to work just fine. A couple of people in the thread have reported successful results using one.
What make and model are you thinking of using?

P.S. Great work mobyone,

The point about exercise is a good one, I often walk my dog just after taking a couple to help kick start the process (helps speed up the metabolism), although I now make sure I'm home before things get too bent out of shape. I once found myself hugging a tree in the woods, how do you explain that to the neighbours?

vastoner28

05-02-2008, 06:49 PM

Flameon,
I used a Cruisinart Classic toaster oven and didn't get very stellar results. It could have been a few things, either i didnt cook it long enough (i cooked for 3 hours at around 250 degrees F) or the weed was not ground up enough. im going to give it another shot in a regular oven and make sure I get it right this time.

StonedChef

05-12-2008, 08:46 PM

Hey, I have all the ingredients and tools to make these capsules and I am ready to make them tonight. I am Using finely ground bud. Would it be best to use the syringe to remove the oil or to let the final product set in the refrigerator and then cut it into 12 pieces? have you made it with bud before? What problems did you run into? I want to make sure I do this right the 1st time! Please reply asap!:rastasmoke:

Flameon

05-12-2008, 09:22 PM

Hi StonedChef and welcome to the forums.

When making capsules I always tend to use a syringe, however, usually there is a little residue left over which needs to be scraped out, and this can be a little fiddly and time-consuming (especially with small batches).

For your first go, and to make sure you've got on top of the technique, you'd probably be just as well to allow the oil to set on a plate in the fridge, then divide up and test a sample.

That way (assuming you've not gone in at too high a heat), if it's not 'hitting the mark, you can simply re-heat the remaining mixture again at a slightly higher temp, and re-test. This will also help to give you a good idea of the how the temperature and cooking duration affects the final results.

Oh yes, and good luck! :thumbsup:

StonedChef

05-12-2008, 11:19 PM

Hey thanks for the prompt response. Is it necessary to decarboxylate the bud in the oven at 325 F prior to grinding?

StonedChef

05-12-2008, 11:29 PM

Also, I am very interested in getting into the medical scene, and being a chef would like to learn alot more about how THC reacts within the body. Do you have any literature you can reccommned I read? Also, being that the capsules take up to an hour and a half to "kick in", do you think there is a way to speed up the rate of THC absorbtion into the bloodstream. Perhaps employing some sort of catylst in the capsules to lessen the absortion time?

subzero

05-15-2008, 08:15 PM

I always put my semi ground weed in the oven for a bit to just get rid of any moisture that may be in the budbefore I powder it in the coffee grinder. If it actually chemically changes the weed i'm not convinced but I wouldn't skip this step because any moisture is not good. My capsules have been too strong at times so if it works don't change it is my theory.

I think if you want a quick hit you need to smoke, vaporise or inject it. ha ha. My guess is that if you sped up the oncome, the high would not last as long. You would need to speed up your metabalism (sp?) then slow it back down somehow. IMO. :stoned:

Hope this helps.
Subzero :thumbsup:

StonedChef

06-01-2008, 09:16 PM

Hey I made these capsules a few days ago and did no get the results i was looking for in the least. My procedure was as follows:

1. I ground up about 3 grams of bud in my coffee grinder. Super finely ground. Same consistency as dust.

2. I Decarboxylated the ground bud in the oven at 300 for about 5 minutes and then added the bud to 14 grams of coconut oil which was preheated to 230 degrees Fahrenheit.

3. I simmered the mixture for 2 hours and then put in the refrigerator on a plate for 10 minutes

4. I portioned the "loaf" into 24 pieces and filled the capsules

5. I swallowed one capsule to start and after 1 1/2 hours of being sober, I swallowed 2 more.

6. 1 1/2 hours later, I was still sober, so i took 2 more. 1 1/2 hours later still nothing.

7. I gave up that night and went to sleep.

8. The next day I had 18 or 19 capsules left so I too them all at 6:00pm.

9. By 7:00pm I began feeling a light head high.

10. At 7:30pm I was truly high, and by 8:30pm I was feeling a peak.

11. This peak, which turned into a plateau, lasted until around 11:30pm.

12. By 12:30am, I was no longer feeling any lasting affects.

13. These pills are not practical to me atm. If i have to take 18 in one sitting to feel a high then its is neither cost effect, nor is it worth my time and bud.

I believe that I may need help in my cooking methods. I want my capsules to be so potent that the daily stoner can take one and be knocked on his/her ass for a couple hours(following the 60 to 90 minute wait).

To those that have had success with these capsules please respond asap. I'm looking to make these capsules as potent as possible. I want the capsules to be almost too strong!:vap_rasta: What temperature do you preheat your oil to? Do you add the bud the the oil prior to heating or once the oil is heated? How long do you cook your bud? Two hours? Please help by answering my questions in as much detail as possible. I want to quit smoking ganja for health reasons, and I am hoping these capsules will be the solution I am looking for.

lunarose

06-02-2008, 11:43 PM

I have been having consistent success for about 7 months now. I do tend to use a lower grade so I usually need to take two 00 capsules three times a day for my symptoms but when I am having a bad day I'll take up to four. I have a very high tolerance (I no longer smoke) a fellow patient who had no tolerance took only one around 6pm and she woke up still feeling the effects.

I like to make a month's worth of medication with each batch so I use about 2 ounces per batch.

I pre heat the oven to 275F (I used a candy thermometer to check my oven temps out just because its set at 250 doesn't always mean it gets to 250 fpr mine I set it at 275 and it gets to 250).

I do not Decarboxylated in the oven beforehand so I have no expereince with it but I think 300 degrees is too high because thc starts to vaporize around that temp.

I have heard that coconut oil is the best to use. I use a mixture of coconut and olive oil because when you make as many capsules as I do it will cool down to the solid state before I am done putting them in the capsules which is a pain.

StonedChef

06-04-2008, 05:34 AM

Do you use the Crockpot method and fill the Crockpot with the coconut oil?? What temperature do you preheat the oil to?? What temperatures do you cook it at?? How long do you cook it for?? Please respond ASAP. I have been struggling with these for a few weeks now! Please help!:beatdeadhorse:

the image reaper

06-04-2008, 02:35 PM

lunarose

06-09-2008, 03:56 AM

I've used both the crockpot and oven method. If you use a crockpot you are going to want put your mixtured in a smaller heat resistant carrier because unless you plan on making a ton of it you'll end up with this too thin layer on the bottom of your crockpot that will end up burned. I got a crockpot that allowed me to set its temps I had it set at 250F preheated it before placing my mason jar inside. When I have used coconut oil I just heat it until it melts probably around 100 if I were to guess. I really did not notice any difference between the batch I made in the crockpot vs the oven for me its a matter of preference and I prefer the oven. With both the crockpot and oven I turned up the temp to 300 for ten minutes after I have "cooked" it for two hours. I then turn the oven off and leave it alone until it cools naturally another hour or two.

StaSiS88

06-09-2008, 04:29 AM

Think they would work as well bumping up the weed and skipping the hash? I can never find any hash....

lunarose

06-10-2008, 01:06 AM

You know with one batch I made I added three grams of hash with two ounces of ground bud and it really wasn't stronger. I plan on making a small hash batch to see if it really makes a difference.

jmill322

06-11-2008, 02:06 AM

Alright, I've been following this post for months now and I've tried almost everyones recipes. I've tried with everything from shwag to headies and I've never had a recipe work for me. I've tried it with my friend and they have had success. My question is, is it possible that some people can't get high from ingesting THC. I've had brownies and rice crispy treats many times and also never had success. I realize this probably isn't the correct place to post this but I don't know where else to put it and I feel like enought people follow this so that I might get an answer. Could it be that I just need a lot more? I'm 6 foot and only 180 lbs so I don't know what the problem could be. I've made batches with 3.5gs and taken the whole thing myself and....nothing. The pictures I've seen look just like mine and I'm out of explinations.

lunarose

06-11-2008, 03:59 AM

You are not the first to have failures and I agree I think there has to be some kind of metabolic issue to explain it. Making these capusles is not rocket science its actually quite easy.

jmill322

06-11-2008, 11:28 PM

Ok thanks. I've gotten to the point where I want to stop trying because how much money/bud I've wasted. I'm going keep trying but I need to rethink what I could be doing wrong. I'm trying to figure out if maybe I'm just doing something wrong. The only thing brownies have ever done to me is get me really tired and i've read on one of the forums here that it has to do with either the type of bud or the cook time. I'm thinking of starting a new topic about this. See if theres other people out there.

jmill322

06-11-2008, 11:54 PM

http://boards.cannabis.com/recipes/156760-has-anyone-never-get-high-off-edible-pot-treats.html#post1867924

Here's the thread if anyone is interested.

jmill322

06-11-2008, 11:54 PM

http://boards.cannabis.com/recipes/156760-has-anyone-never-get-high-off-edible-pot-treats.html#post1867924

Here's the thread if anyone is interested. I'm lost, someone HELP PLEASE.

grumio

06-12-2008, 01:41 AM

I know that there are threads to this effect on some of the other cannabis forums. Check some of them out.

shibdib

06-30-2008, 07:57 PM

Anyone ever try using vaped weed to make capsules? I'm going to give it a try.

My only question is in regards to not using the stems... since I vape, I grind up the whole bud (stem and all)... which means in my jar of already-vaped-bud there are some ground up stems.

What will the microscopic thorns do to my stomach lining? Is it just a precautionary thing to not use them if possible? Or does it have the potential to cause problems?

thanks

grumio

07-01-2008, 08:27 AM

Yes, you can use vapo-poo to make butter or oil. I just made butter with an oz of fan leaves & 1/2 oz of vapo-poo into ~8 oz clarified butter & it is wicked stuff. Your mileage may vary. Give it a whirl.

Don't worry about the microscopic thorns (which are certainly there). But if you're among the relatively few people who get some stomach upset from cannabutter, that may be why.

lunarose

07-04-2008, 03:46 AM

I was reading in another forum that supposedly papaya taken with the capsules improves absorption what they hey its worth a try.

palapa

07-13-2008, 06:03 PM

Does anyone know if the "cooked" coconut oil actually requires refrigeration? I see that the initial ingredients are shelf stable (i.e., no refrigeration required), but it seems that everyone refrigerates the finished product. This is a bit inconvenient for travel... I'm curious about whether the oil produced can sit out at room temperature, and for how long. Thanks so much.

Flameon

07-14-2008, 12:14 PM

Hi palapa (and welcome to the forums)

As you mentioned, coconut oil has a long shelf life, so refrigerating your caps isn't a critical part of the process.

It's main use really is in preventing accidental 'leakage'.
i.e. Generally, the 'oil' will stay solid in the caps at anything under 21 degrees centigrade. Once you expose them to temps above that they can get a little runny if handled roughly.

Personally, I use a polystyrene holder when traveling which keeps them upright, for just such occasions.

As it happens, since I posted this guide last year a number of commercial suppliers have now started 'copying' the recipe and are manufacturing their own 'mail order' caps (God, I wish I could claim copyright!) , so clearly 'leakage' doesn't seem to be too much of an issue in the main.

simplesmok

07-15-2008, 04:53 PM

MVP

07-16-2008, 02:31 AM

I recently went on vacation and turned the air off in my house. My coconut oil was in the cabinet and completely turned into the liquid form (I live in FL, it was really hot in the house). It has since re-hardened.

Would this have any effect on the oil? I don't know if it can "go bad" or if it is ok to use for my next batch.

Typically no, as it turns to liquid around 75 F and turns solid below that... read the container for more info.

We now return to our regularly scheduled program..... :pimp:

KBlazeVegas

07-16-2008, 04:42 AM

Hi i just made my first batch. I used coconut oil and ground bud in the recepie. When it was done cooking it had the oil and bud mixed in as well as a thin layer of oil on top. Should i put the oil from on top in the capsules? Or syphon it off and only use the "paste"? Also is the cooked ground bud safe to put in the capsules? Will it have the same effects? Help!

MVP

07-17-2008, 12:31 AM

KBlazeVegas

07-17-2008, 03:55 AM

awesome thanks!!!

juiceman14

07-24-2008, 09:53 PM

Yes so I followed this thread entirely accurately and got results a little more than I was looking for.

I managed to make 12 capsules of these with 1gram of Lavender Melt Hashish, purchased from a medical marijuana dispensary and 7 grams of Coconut oil. The pills came out entirely perfect.

Last night, or should I say early this morning at about 2:00 AM i took the capsules and at about 3:30/4:00 AM I began hallucinating, having a rapid heart beat, and I was short of breath. The rapid heart beat continued for hours so my parents rushed me to the E.R. where they told me I was having a panic/anxiety attack, which can feel like having a heart attack. I was by myself and I was attempting to use this as an alternative to smoking cannabis for IBS (irritable bowel syndrome) medicine. Last night I wasn't feeling well so I took 2 of these capsules and went straight to the looney bin.

Be careful with california medical concentrated cannabis... it is VERY STRONG. THC is a VERY psychedelic compound. I seriously thought I was going to die last night, so did my parents. Great step by step guide.... just

MVP

07-24-2008, 10:11 PM

Yes so I followed this thread entirely accurately and got results a little more than I was looking for.

Wow dude, I am glad you made it thru okay. A number of use here on the boards warn against taking too many too soon when it comes to capsules and edibles. Not to mention that it was high grade hash which is more potent than straight up herb.

Rule of thumb is to take 1/4 to 1/2 the amount, then wait for 90 minutes or so to judge the effects since each person is unique.

At any rate, I'm glad you are here telling your story so others may learn that the "take it slow and easy until you are experienced with concentrates" is not a bunch of BS or know-it-alls telling people what to do. We are truly normal folks that have pain or related medical issues that want to help people from overdoing it.

Take care amigo,

MVP :thumbsup:

RockyRaccon

07-31-2008, 06:15 PM

Hey Flameon, great stuff here.
I am a heavy smoker and was wondering if it would make to much of a diffrence to put in 1.75g highgrade just so i could put a whole dime in ? or would it be better to stick with 1.5, i live up north and have never seen hash on the market

JaySin

07-31-2008, 08:40 PM

I would say you would be fine with the little extra in there. Might even make it more potent.

grinmore

08-12-2008, 02:21 PM

New here.:)
just wanted to pop in here and say thanks to flameon, weedhound and everyone who put so much effort into this thread. basically the reason i joined. :thumbsup:

going shopping again tmr for a new digital slowcooker and coffee grinder. hopefully try cooking some tmr too...following everyones advice going to attempt to make each capsule as potent as possible if i actually get it to work hehe

thanks again

trancefusion5

08-12-2008, 04:02 PM

Awesome thread flameon!! :thumbsup: (and everyone else who has put in!) I cant wait to give this a try!! Ill let ya know how it goes! Hopefully it wont take me to long to come up with everything and find time to do it. :stoned:

grinmore

08-12-2008, 06:35 PM

Just a thought...would it be the same to use honey oil inside the caps instead?

ie. using alcohol as a solvent for the thc >
stoop/shake/soak the powdered material the way you prefer to in the alcohol > straining out the residue, then boil down to evaporate the alcohol >
then using the final product within the capsules?

and would this make each cap more potent?

i've read all the pages in this thread, but cant exactly recall if this has been mentioned before...sorry if it has hehe:stoned:

KBlazeVegas

08-21-2008, 09:26 PM

â?¢ The ultimate stealth â??medicationâ??.
â?¢ Highly concentrated form of THC
â?¢ Requires only very small amounts of bud.
â?¢ Great for stealth cooking as the low heat creates virtually no smell.
â?¢ Extremely potent due to the type of saturated fats used.
â?¢ Simpler to make and keep than a firecracker.
â?¢ Incredibly cheap
â?¢ Theyâ??ll blow your tits off â?? Guaranteed!

N.B: Effects will start to â??kick inâ?? after about an hour and a half, and last for around six to eight hours (depending on how many you took). Should you begin to feel overwhelmed you can shorten the â??tripâ?? and reduce its effects by eating sugary foods, or drinking fruit juices rich in vitamin C.

For those people who give it a try, Iâ??d love to hear how you get on.
Hopefully, you can keep this thread alive by posting up your experiences so everyone will get a chance to see them.
Oh yes, and it took me a while to write all this up, so a sticky or any rep donations gratefully accepted lol.

Cheers and enjoy
Flame.

I made my first batch exactly to directions but they did not work. I am unsure as to what i did wrong. I'm going to make another batch and try again

begginerblazer

08-29-2008, 09:10 PM

Wow i love this thread, i cant wait to make these. i just ordered my coconut oil and my capsules, ill try it out as soon as they come in the mail and see how it goes

guerrillagrow

08-29-2008, 10:37 PM

made my second batch last night. the first batch didn't pan out too well, not a total loss, just not a strong.

last night used 3g maui/kush. 2 1/2 ts coconut oil. and used a ramekin to simmer the goods in a cheap crock that only goes to 250degrees. definite change in color for the caps from light green to almost olive. simmered for 1 1/2-2 hours and test fired them today. first batch i only simmered for around 30 minutes, they're really weak but they'll work in a pinch.

found that 1 cap every 4 or so hours is doing the trick.

not sure the effects of more than that, but they're the new preferred medicating method. i can tell from the strength of just one that multiple caps will blow my socks off.

begginerblazer

09-11-2008, 03:04 AM

Hey guys quick question.
I have the rival 5025-WG crock pot and im not sure if the temperature gets high enough to work with this recipe and i was just wondering how/where i could find out what the actually temperature that it cooks at is

Flameon

09-11-2008, 08:58 AM

Hi begginerblazer

Crock pots as a general rule seldom advertise their higher and lower temperature ranges due to the standardised nature of how they operate.
i.e. They're designed to 'slow cook' foods (stews, casseroles etc) at just below boiling point.
Therefore, the assumption is a typical temperature is about 100 degrees Centigrade or 212 Fahrenheit.

I looked up the model you list (the Rival 5025-WG), and you'll be just fine with that.
Remember though that under normal operating conditions the crock pot is usually 'filled' with liquid, vegetables, meats etc, and so when we cook with just oil in them they can get a little too hot on the 'High' setting.
I would expect a model like this one to creep as high as 150 centigrade or 300fahrenheit, so my advice would be to use the 'high setting' for about an hour to get it started before switching down to 'low' for about one and a half to two hours (assuming of course that you don't own an oven thermometer in order to monitor the temperature). Overheating the THC will reduce the potency as it causes it to vaporize.

Anyhow, good luck and come back to let us know how you get on or if you have any other questions.
Cheers flameon :thumbsup:

PamStoner

09-15-2008, 05:21 AM

Hi weedhound

A typical slow cooker operates at 80Â°C (176Â°F) on low, to 90Â°C (194Â°F) on high. I'd be surprised if your 'high setting' was over this temperature by more than 5Â°C. So you should be fine.

Cheers
Flame :thumbsup:
Wow... It looks like the different brands vary. I tested a small oval shaped one I had {to use as a polymer clay "oven" }; and it showed 300F on an oven thermometer. I would say each different slow cooker should be checked to see what is the hottest it gets just to be safe.:thumbsup:
You are my hero Flameon! TY!

Flameon

09-16-2008, 08:33 AM

Hi Pamstoner and thanks for the input and kind words

Wow... It looks like the different brands vary. I tested a small oval shaped one I had {to use as a polymer clay "oven" }; and it showed 300F on an oven thermometer. I would say each different slow cooker should be checked to see what is the hottest it gets just to be safe

That's good advice and well worth checking out. Oven thermometers can be bought for only a few dollars/pounds and are a sound investment for anyone thinking of taking up canna-cooking (You'll see a return the first time you use one in as it'll save you under/over cooking your weed).

If you read through the post directly above you'll see a more detailed explanation of: why and what causes the temperature ranges to differ as much as they do between models.

The following, short (abridged) answer however, is good for most (particularly small) crock pots that are running with just an oil and weed mix in them:

I would expect a model like this one to creep as high as 150 centigrade or 300fahrenheit, so my advice would be to use the 'high setting' for about an hour to get it started before switching down to 'low' for about one and a half to two hours

Cheers
Flame

begginerblazer

09-17-2008, 03:41 AM

ok so i tried the recipe following ur advice abd they didnt really work, not quite sure what i did wrong maybe someone could help.
i used 1.0 gram of bud grinded with a chromium crusher
1.5 tsp of coconut oil (1.0 didnt look like enough to cover all the bud)
i put it in my crockpot, put it on high for an hour, mixed it, than switched it to low for an hour and a half, mixed it twice while on low i think
never really tried anything like this before so sorry if its an obvious mistake

lispeezy

10-15-2008, 06:00 PM

Damn its been a while since i last visited these forums, lol. Well the first time i've attempted this experiment was this past spring break. My dood and I used purple haze lol!! Too bad we didn't have a coffee grinder or it wouldve been crazy!! cause this motherfucker was throwing up when I called him on my way home hahaha.(his twin picked up and was like DOOOOOD WHATD U DOOO!!)

Well this time im gonna have a coffee grinder and use sour diesel. I'm just wondering, should i put the weed in the oven to activate more thc? (if so, what temperature? and how long?) or is it strong enough already? lawlllll

stone13

10-19-2008, 02:58 PM

u r the cookery don, tried and tested, spot on.

lispeezy

10-21-2008, 05:48 AM

lawl, somehow i made 32 pills, some were greenish/yellow and some were in a very dark color. i took 1 and it didnt do anything. i took 2 and i felt a very slight buzz. im gonna take 3 tomorrow and hopefully ill be sky high lawlssss!!

ImAnIdiot

10-21-2008, 11:06 AM

BBoyShotty

10-28-2008, 02:54 AM

trying this again...didnt work the first time... n now, my skepticsm on getting high from eating weed rises again.. I really just think i cant get high off edibles..i never have been able to, but im not sure if its because i smoke too much and my thc receptors are too "clogged" to notice that im high, or if ive just had bad luck in making edibles..(granted, i know the first few times, i fucked up hardddd, but the first time i tried this, i thought i got it..)

This time, im using 1.5 of jack herer..i finally got my hands on my dream strain lol..i have about 40 mins left, and depending on how i feel, i might either pop two now(its 10:52) and have a late night, or just wait until the mornign and pop them before i head to class

neways..ill report back
lets hope its a happy story this time. I've wasted wayy too much bud trying edibles with zero success.

BBoyShotty

10-29-2008, 04:18 AM

Hi, I'm sorry if I'm re-peating a question that has already been asked but I don't have time to read every post. I was just wondering if the capsules were absolutely nessecary? A friend told me it wasn't aslong as you let the stuff dry before you eat it...but he says alot of things...

...Just want to make sure.

Thanks!

the capsules have nothing to do with the effects of the product being made. They are just an edible container, if you will...(damn..jack herer is AMAZING ahaha) The batch i just made, i jsut spread it on a plate and let it solidify in the fridge for a few minutes..Then i took a sharp knife and portioned it. Pretty sure flameon explained it all pretty thoroughly..lol. neways, lemmie know if it works for you

Revanche21

11-11-2008, 03:24 AM

Awesome! waiting for the delivery of all the materials I need :D

Revanche21

11-13-2008, 10:22 PM

so what are the doses people tend to like 0.08g? per capsule?

SomeGuy77

11-17-2008, 02:01 AM

Revanche21

11-17-2008, 02:18 AM

Made 1 batch with
1g 'tumbled hash'
exactly the way the directions say
effects were minimal

made 1 batch with 7g unsalted butter in place of coconut oil
effects ranged from nothing to extreme
(might have had problems with the type of hash, it kept sinking to the bottom and clogging the syringe)

Won't be repeating this with tumbled hash

Made one batch with 1 stick of butter (110g)
with 4g of top quality buds along with 5g vaped buds
ended up with 75 capsules that don't do a thing
-ingested 3, should have been about 0.053g THC per capsule not including the vaped bud

Made another Batch with 4 grams of keif and 26g coconut oil
-waiting to be tested
28 capsules were created
rated at 0.143g thc per capsule (hopefully these work)

Do you think I can just toss the remaining 72 capsules into a pan and just melt it all down? or should I attempt to take all the butter out before melting it down? I was thinking of recycling it to bake some cupcakes

Revanche21

11-17-2008, 02:20 AM

Hey, I'm new here. I don't have anywhere to make oil as I live with my parents. -_-

I also can't order 00 capsules, but I have cold FX capsules which I was thinking of just taking the medicine out (I've done this before) and putting some crystal (or really nicely busted up bud) inside the capsules afterwords. Is this safe to do?

Thanks.

I think just putting keif into capsules and swallowing them work, but infusing them with an oil helps you digest it better (granted you do it the right way)

ingesting buds inside a capsule won't work (from exp. but you could try idk)

SomeGuy77

11-17-2008, 03:04 AM

Could I just use a grinder to screen out all the crystal then put it in the capsule? Really hard to find keif where I go to school >.<

Btw why wouldn't it work if I busted it up really fine?

SomeGuy77

11-19-2008, 12:51 AM

Anyone? BUMP

Revanche21

11-19-2008, 01:56 AM

KushBrothers

11-19-2008, 02:42 AM

This is what works for me.

I take 4 cups of canola oil, double boil with 4oz of vapor duff. After three hours, I strain.

Next, I use 4 cups of dried bud, sugar leaf, and re-double boil it.

After that, I take 1c of the Canna-oil and add 14 grams of Bubble hash, and re-double boil.

Finally, I add 2T of Cayenne pepper for capsasin.

It looks like this in the end.

I call it "The Goo"

KushBrothers

11-19-2008, 03:05 AM

Sorry, forgot to mention that we use an eye dropper to fill 00 size gelatin caps. They work very well for insomnia, fibro pain, crohns, IBS, ect.

Xitek420

12-05-2008, 03:49 AM

Okay
i think im going to go ahead and do this, but i have a question
im thinking most of the failures have to do with fluctuating temps from crock pot to crock pot
so to try to assure the lowest waste of bud
what crokpots do people who have succeeded, speciffically flameon and weedhound
i read the whole thread and saw it was answered
but go figure now i cant find it

Flameon

12-05-2008, 04:13 PM

Hi guys and sorry for the delay in answering some of the questions you've asked recently (I've been out of action for a while, long story).

Someguy77, I may have misunderstood (ignore me if I have), but I think you're asking if the capsules will still work if you just put 'raw' kief in them without cooking in oil. If so, Revanche21 is spot on, it won't work (or at least not without consuming vast quantities - don't waste it).

BBoyShotty, great job! glad you stuck with it and gave it another go.

Also, KushBrothers, interesting technique and use of 'blood flow' additive (Cayenne pepper), I've also used v small quantities of Turmeric to good effect and have read of quite a few others that people have used (I'm still experimenting with those).

Hi Xitek420, I've got a couple of different slow cookers that I use (I'll see if I can find the name of the make), though they're pretty much 'bog standard', nothing special or unusual. To be certain of the temps the best investment is an oven thermometer (available on ebay and most cookery shops), shouldn't cost more than Â£5/$8 and will stop you under/over cooking the THC.

One additional point, I've run various 'side-by-side' tests over the last year or so and think it's worth mentioning that when making larger quantities of oil and bud (i.e. 50ml or more of oil) you'll get better results if you extend the cooking time by about an hour and add an extra stir or two.

Hope that helps. Good luck and happy baking. :thumbsup:

Revanche21

12-05-2008, 05:00 PM

Flameon

12-05-2008, 05:37 PM

my local collective sells capsules with keif inside capsules and another patient has informed me that they do indeed work

However, I still think that when they are infused with oil they will most likely work better

Hi Revanche21, interesting info, and a new one for me. I've never come across anyone having much success just eating 'raw' THC, let alone a collective promoting it. Is it just untreated 'raw' keif in their capsules, or do you know if its been altered in some way first (or other ingredients added)?

The theory, as I understand it, is that it is physically possible for the human metabolism to digest a small percentage of unextracted THC, simply by osmosis, i.e. naturally occurring lipids and other triglycerides in the digestive system breaking down and emulsifying a small amounts of the THC and therefore allowing it to be absorbed into the bloodstream. But in practice, I've only read of a few recorded cases where its happened, and usually only where very large amounts were consumed.

I wouldn't have thought it would have been practical (or economically viable) to consume (or market) it that way, but I'm always open to new ideas.
As you've already said, extracting it into oil would seem a much more efficient process.

Revanche21

12-05-2008, 05:39 PM

Hi Revanche21, interesting info, and a new one for me. I've never come across anyone having much success just eating 'raw' THC, let alone a collective promoting it. Is it just untreated 'raw' keif in their capsules, or do you know if its been altered in some way first (or other ingredients added)?

The theory, as I understand it, is that it is physically possible for the human metabolism to digest a small percentage of unextracted THC, simply by osmosis, i.e. naturally occurring lipids and other triglycerides in the digestive system breaking down and emulsifying a small amounts of the THC and therefore allowing it to be absorbed into the bloodstream. But in practice, I've only read of a few recorded cases where its happened, and usually only where very large amounts were consumed.

I wouldn't have thought it would have been practical (or economically viable) to consume (or market) it that way, but I'm always open to new ideas.
As you've already said, extracting it into oil would seem a much more efficient process.

The Green Cross Celebrates Five Years of Providing Patients With Alternatives____________________________ (http://www.thegreencross.org/ver3/)
looks like raw keif

Flameon

12-05-2008, 06:00 PM

:eek: Holy cow! That's some menu they've got there.

Great link, thanks.

You're right, it does look like raw kief, though it's interesting they say NOT to eat on them an empty stomach, but to take with warm milk (i.e. with a fatty liquid) to aid digestion. It's an odd one as they clearly seem to favour oil extraction for the rest of there edibles (even a tincture spay!).

Love the look of the oils and butters, not too mention all they other munchables. Oh to be in 'frisco!

Revanche21

12-05-2008, 06:08 PM

Flameon

12-05-2008, 06:14 PM

rated the highest in SF!

however 300 an oz is still too much for me haha
I know what you mean lol.
Thank God (and stinky, weedhound and the rest of you guys) for the grow section! :thumbsup:

Xitek420

12-06-2008, 05:11 AM

i think im gonna buy one of those crockpots with a digital probe that monitors the temp
if it works and its accurate
i could cook the oil/weed for hours upon hours and probably make the pills strong as hell

BBoyShotty

12-15-2008, 09:05 AM

nope....i don't think the jack herer batch worked either..I was careless with it again for some reason tho...n my guess is either the temp, or the bud not being grinded enough.

TOMORROW, im going to try using a gram of killer kief and monitoring the temps with my oven thermometer & candy thermometers i now have.

If it doesn't work THIS time...im gonna say i cant get high from eating weed....disappointing, to say the least lol

Lido

12-15-2008, 03:30 PM

I have read through most of this (its quite long). However if you want to maintain an even and consistant temps, use an oven thermometer and use a PIZZA STONE! Preheat oven to desired temp for one hour the put your mix in a stainless steel bowl, and cook it for the allotted time . The pizza stone will stabilize the temp in the oven and give greater control. (put the bowl right on the stone).
BTW extra virgan coconut oil is being used experimentaly for treatment of alzimeres . Oh yeah, my spelling sucks.

BBoyShotty

12-16-2008, 07:38 AM

kkk its working finally, but im not sure to what effect really. I poured it into a square japanese soy sauce-sushi-dipper-things that my roomate had lying around, put it in the freezer for a few mins and broke it pretty much evenly into 9, instead of 12. The colour of the oil is what concerned me..Its green, but its kinda light green, and i was wondering if it was becuase the kief sat at the bottom as the oil was ontop of it, and itdidnt extract taht well..Any ideas? Anyways, the frozen/solidified product kinda looks like it has two layers. The bottom is the darker green kief half, and the top is the lighter green oil. So this makes me wonder if im gettign high because it worked, or becasue im just eating kief, as i heard you can jsut ingest raw kief and get high as well.

Any thoughts??

Joefooks77

12-17-2008, 04:16 AM

Hey Guys,
This is an amazing guide. I will be doing it this Friday and I will post my results. My only questions are: 1) Could you use Olive oil instead of Coconut Oil? 2) Isn't this just like eating straight up Cannabutter but in pills?

Thanks!

Joefooks77

12-17-2008, 04:40 AM

Missed the edit time on my last post...
Anyway, Is using a Crockpot that much better than using the pan? I don't have access to a Crockpot and I don't want to waste my weed or time if the pan is less effective. What do you think?

Joefooks77

12-18-2008, 01:49 AM

I'm sorry for all the spam... I answered my last to questions by reading to page 15 of this thread... To answer my own questions for those who are curious...

1) Yes, you could use Olive Oil instead of Coconut oil, it simply won't be as effective without the very large saturated fat content. More saturated fat, the better.

2) This is essentially Cannabutter but in pills versus food.

3) Using a Crockpot is more efficient as you do not need to monitor it as extensively and it the temperature will not fluctuate as much.

That leads me to my next question... Wouldn't a oven be almost exactly the same as a Crockpot, but even more exact and less fluctuations? 250 degrees in the oven for 3 hours sounds perfect.

Weedhound

12-18-2008, 02:50 AM

Hi Joe, I have not dropped by this thread for awhiile.

All I can tell you are my own experiences. I found coconut oil better than olive oil for several reasons.....the olive oil didn't seem to digest as well to me as the coconut oil (affecting potency) and didn't sit in the capsules as well.....tended to melt over time unless they were kept strictly in the fridge. I also tried peanut oil once (very thick) and was not happy with those results either......the lighter the oil the better. Stick with the coconut imhumbleo....it's cheap enough.

In regards to the slow cooker.....they are very cheap as well and will serve your needs perfectly many times over. Don't forget a candy/oil thermometer.. We set ours on high and once it hits 255F we switch to low power and cook overnite at that temp. Believe me, the extra time helps the potency in our opinion......but keep temps lows and a slow cooker is an excellent way to do that......(225F ideally)

Good luck.

Non

12-18-2008, 03:50 AM

lol my stove and ovens suck. They just don't have a stable temperature for 225 F. They both jump up higher than the temperature it is set for, and the calibration is supposed to be good. SO far the only thing I could really do is decarb it at 170 F in the oven.

Joefooks77

12-18-2008, 04:12 AM

Thanks for the quick reply. Just to confirm I made a list of what should be done and when. Does this seem accurate? (I wrote it myself :D)

1. Aquire all materials. Crock pot, A teaspoon, 00 Gelatine Capsules, Thermometer, and Herb.
2. Once aquired begin to prep for the cooking.
3. Turn crock pot on so the temperature is a constant 225 degrees (Keep a thermometer in there to continually check).
4. While Crock pot is heating up, Begin to 'clarify' butter, by following this link: How To Clarify Butter: Step-By-Step Tutorial With Photos (http://culinaryarts.about.com/od/culinaryfundamentals/ss/clarifiedbutter.htm)
5. Another thing to do while the Crock pot is heating up is to grind the herb into a VERY fine powder (Coffee Grinder or Mortar and Pestal are the best).
6. Pour clarified butter ontop of the herb in a shot glass or other small tempered container (Egg cup or Coffee cup).
To know appropriate amounts of butter/herb use this chart:
250 Degrees for 3 hours in oven
1g to 1 Teaspoon
1.5g to 1 1/2 Teaspoons
1/8 to 1 Tablespoon
7. Let the herb and butter simmer at 225 degrees for at least 2 hours. As long as the temperature is constant it can be left overnight.
8. Put into a cup or tupperware until ready to be pilled.

Lido

12-18-2008, 05:55 PM

OK , Stoners , here's the deal.
I 've read through this post and I am making some right now. I have done cannabutter before and it was rock solid. I used the crockpot and water method and the results were spot on. I cooked it for 12 hrs and it did smell up the house somewhat, so i have to think I was looseing some potency due to vapeing. I was concerned about high temps so I used the butter after straining and cooling in cookies ( low temps + quick cooking time). I still have a couple cookies left because everyone who tried them said 'f*ck that shit , its too strong' It was made with NL99 @50 days which can be trippy and paranoia inducing , IMHO. Maybe that was the 'problem' at any rate I thought it was a real Nantuckett Sleigh Ride , Whoooeee!
Sooo... that being said , I took some bud , pulverised it ,(combo nl99 ak47 Romulan + Skunk1, I have a runoff jar) took a joints worth - .4 grams and 4 grams of VCO , put it in a small glass cup. Put a Pizza Stone and pre-heated my oven and stone for 1 hour @235 using a themometer to double check my oven. The pizza stone will stablize the oven temps so there won't be any wild temp swings. You could also use a cast iron skillet ( the bigger the better ) think 'mass'. There is no pot smell,just faint coconut smell.
I am convinced that vco is better than butter due to its structure and the 'delivery system' that vco uses to deliver nutrision to the blood stream.
I only used a joints worth to see the effects that 1/3 of this cocoction will do, because a J of this would rip 3 people easily.
I might have to go out tonite socailly so I may have to delay liftoff till later tonite (Thurs. Nite football should be interesting.
I'm not going to make caps though, just want to see if this really more potent than smoking the same exact amount.

Oh yeah, my spelling sucks ( but you knew that)

Weedhound

12-18-2008, 06:15 PM

joe somewhere in this thread or if you do a search of threads started by me there is a thread with pretty step by step instructions.....Hang on.....I'll pop it in because Flameon is a dear friend whom I'm sure won't mind. He's the one who REALLY got me expirementing with differnt techniques and times, etc etc....brb

Weedhound

12-18-2008, 06:22 PM

http://boards.cannabis.com/concentrates/150409-hounds-cannabis-capsule-guide-flame-ons-recipe.html

I've been tweaking variations of this for years.....thanks to Flameon and his original thread.....Huge props to him for all his knowledge and work with these. Being diagnosed with lung cancer, I no longer smoke ANYTHING so this is how I ingest my weed. My husband prefers cookies....but I love these capsules.

Lido

12-18-2008, 06:56 PM

Weedhound, I was looking at your thread, nice job, how long do you cookit for?

Lido

12-18-2008, 08:30 PM

Sorry W H , I see my answer - 3.5 hrs. mine has been going for 7 hrs gonna take it off now.

Lido

12-19-2008, 01:02 PM

A complete body high....ended up watching 'The Grinch Stole Christmas. yeah it works. 2 people toasted - .35 grams, a joints worth.

Weedhound

12-19-2008, 03:18 PM

And another one sold!! I can't thank Flameon enough for this recipe.!!

Lido

12-19-2008, 06:33 PM

Oh yeah, the morning 'buzz over' was a nice benefit too. The whole trick is to keep your low temps consistent - no highs and lows , which is why I used a pizza stone , it stabilizes the temp swings as the elements turn on and off.
The only negative is there was hardly any head high , (but the body high was overwhelming). I'm going to try this method using NL99 which is highly psychoactive.

Joefooks77

12-19-2008, 11:43 PM

I'm really excited to do this, I just can't afford to mess up as I will bring these on vacation with me. I'm just confirming, If I use a crock pot and simmer it at 225 degrees for at least 3 hours. It should work right? I'll be using 1 gram (completely ground up into a powder), so with that I use 1 teaspoon of clarified butter? If this is all completed flawlessly, I should have a flawless product, right? Thank you so much!

Lido

12-20-2008, 01:55 AM

personally I would go longer...longer the better , as long as you can maintain a consistent temp. I'd go 8 hrs. I just did :)

Joefooks77

02-04-2009, 03:10 AM

Hey guys,
I'm glad the boards are back up. Anyway, I attempted to make these pills twice. The first time I used 1/8th and it failed miserably. The second attempt somewhat worked. I took 7 capsules and got a decent buzz all day, the thing is it took 4 hours to kick in. I took 7 0 sized capsules (00 are 118ml and 0 are 96ml). My first attempt failed because the temperature fluctuated greatly as I put water into the pot on high to keep the temperature down and as it evaporated the temperature rose faster. The second time I left it on low and it was at 225 exactly for 3 hours. I think the problems are that I eyeballed the weed, didn't clarify the butter enough (Might just go buy coconut oil) and that I used size '0' capsules. I'll post back after I get a scale and do it with proper amounts. Thanks a lot!

EDIT: I also forgot, When I'm pilling them half the capsules get pure butter and the other half get the herb that's been soaking. Are the butter ones obviously more potent and do the herb ones have any potency?

painretreat

02-04-2009, 05:11 AM

Joe, are you using a crock pot? lol :rastasmoke:

on your edit note--did you try them yet?

I am getting hi into edibles and find oven's fail you. I learned that years ago baking, anyway. That's why you have to watch and wait for the product in an oven--too unreliable. Every good cook has a great thermometer. You'll laugh your ass off at this. I bought a great digital scale at a garage sale for $2.00. And I can even operate it! Of course, the area I live in and near has a lot of use for them.

Also, I have some in peanut oil--pretty good stuff. I found it was easier to just buy it though! Same with the butter. I don't even think I can make it for what I buy it for. But, that is why a club is a good thing to get involved in.

Just think, when we get ALL our civil rights, we can have the girl and boy scout mmj bakers of Amerca Club!

Glad U R back! P/R:hippy:

Joefooks77

02-04-2009, 09:10 PM

I was using a crock pot and I did eat them a while ago. My first batch was a total failure but my later batch gave me a buzz, like I said. The first dose of the second batch (unsuccessful) was 3 pure butter capsules. The second dose was 7 capsules, where 2 were 'mostly' butter and 5 were pure herb. Now that I think about it, It seems the herb ones worked as well.

Also, I'm getting an extremely small yield. As I already said I'm using smaller pills and I can only fill like 15 with 1.5g of herb(Estimate, possibly too rough, as I said I'm getting a scale to be exact) and 1.5 teaspoons of clarified butter. Thoughts?

FourTwenty4Life

02-05-2009, 07:23 AM

Remind me again WHY I would want to put my buds in a pill to swallow???They already sort of have that....called Marinol, prescription only. Anyways, if I'm going to ingest THC then it's going to be in some awesome food-brownies, cakes, cookies, pizza, etc not a pill. In the time it takes you to make these, I could vaporize my buds and get 95% the effect of pills give. Waste of time imo...:twocents: :vap_rasta:

subzero

02-06-2009, 12:18 AM

Hi everyone,

I posted back in April after making some very up and trippy capsuals, At the time they were almost too strong and 3 would be very intense indeed.

I froze about 40 of them at the time, for a rainy day.

Well the rain has fallen and unmistakably so has the quality of the high.:(

Now I can eat them all day long (8 in 8hrs) and get nothing but a serious low and a five star headache. In fact the headache I had after 3 days of taking them was probably been the worst one I have ever had. Ever. There is no way that anyone could medicate with them on a regular basis now they would make you worse!

It seems that 10 months was too long to store them in the freezer as I took a few a couple of months after I made them and they were fine. How could they change so much?

Anyone had the same problem. Flame.........?

:rastasmoke:

jebus2029

02-20-2009, 08:30 PM

I had the same problem. I made some and they were the fire. I tossed them in the freezer and would take a few out every few days. I think I remember them going down in quality over a very short period of time but I thought it was just my tolerance. I stopped taking that batch for a month or so and when I tried them it was the same thing. A horrible headache and not really a high. I have heard that when you put cannabis in the freezer it degrades the thc. So it would only make sense that the caps would degrade too. I'm making a new batch now and I'm going to keep them in the fridge this time. I'm not going to try and save any for extended periods of time. No reason when I can just make a new batch.

DieselRyderGrow

03-03-2009, 05:54 AM

May I get some more information about the shelf-life of this extraction?

A friend of mine had a medical emergency and will not be able to smoke anymore. I have decided that I will help her out by making her a constant supply of 'edibles' and thought that I would go ahead and use the method described in this thread.

The problem is, I was originally planning on making half of a year's worth of capsules for her; it is a good thing I didn't because it would completely suck to lose that much work do to some sort of degradation.

So again I ask, what is the deal with the last two posters results? Does anyone have any hard numbers on how long this stuff will last and in what conditions?

Please help! Not for me, but for my friend.

:)