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Weedhound

01-26-2008, 03:52 AM

Here are the two things I've found to be the most important and I cook the mix in a small pan at pretty much 1:1 ratio with coconut oil.

1. Keep temperature between 200-275F. I use a candy thermometer but with this method you literally have to stay with the mixture the whole time. I need to retry some in my crockpot and check temps along the way because I did NOT get the same results in my crockpot and I'm strongly guessing that the temps are too low.

2. The longer you cook it the better it gets.....again considering that you have to watch the temp and stay glued to the kitchen. If you walk away and it burns (anything over 300F I've found to start really burning the mix to useless).....and it burns up QUICK once it hits that temp and above. I've found out the hard way not to leave it unattended. That's where I think if you have a crockpot that will get your temps over 200F and under 275F you're in great shape. Candy/oil thermometers are cheap and you can get them at your local grocery store.

This method works beautifully for me. So far I've cooked them up to 2 1/2 hrs at these temps with EXCELLENT results. At one hour the results were good to very good. I have found the extra time to be worth the effort without question. ;)

jebus2029

01-26-2008, 05:07 AM

if im doing the bowl inside the pot method do i want the water under the bowl boiling? or just steaming? and should i have it covered?

Rock.Steady

01-26-2008, 05:22 AM

water boils at 212F / 100C.
sounds to me it needs to be a lil hotter.
i would follow Weedhound's lead and get the candy thermometer:thumbsup:

jeepboi

01-26-2008, 07:56 AM

jeepboi

01-26-2008, 11:32 AM

Well, I took a capsule at 2:12 smoked a bowl outta my bong at 2:13 and its now 5:30 and dont really feel it i was good for about an hour till 3 something then it started fading not i feel completely sober. So tommorrow I will try two or three capsules.

on a side note

empty stomach and no problems.

Dankologist

01-26-2008, 05:27 PM

Would it be possible to make capsules with schwag weed or mids by any chance?

jeepboi

01-27-2008, 04:33 AM

okay, about to take 2 capsules 1035 pm

one 8oz glass of water empty stomach.

jebus2029

01-27-2008, 05:30 AM

ok, so i made some last night and hopefully i did it right. I'm just not sure if i got it hot enough. I had a small ceramic condiment cup raised off the bottom of a pot by a metal insert for the pot. I started the water off just steaming, for about 1 hour, then boiling for about 30 minutes. I turned it down to a simmer and let it go another 2 hours. The oil ended up light green/golden brown. Then I let it harden in the freezer for a little bit, chopped it up, and stuck it in the capsules. Its mostly weed in the capsules. I had very little pure oil since most was sucked into the weed. about 1.6g of weed and 2 teaspoons of coconut oil. filled exactly 12 capsules, plus i scraped the last of the oil from the plate and filled the tops of most of them. I popped 2 about an hour and 45 minutes ago ( i did 2 since ive been smoking this particular strain for about 3 or 4 months, and this strain exclusively for the past month and a half). I feel a little sluggish and my vision has a slight haze but they havent kicked in hardcore. I gave one to my roommate about 30 minutes ago also. She hasnt been smoking this strain as much as i have so it will be interesting to see how it hits us both. I check back in either later tonight or sometime tomorrow to let you know how it turns out.

jeepboi

01-27-2008, 05:37 AM

I know its too soon, but nothing yet, except some of THE NASTieST Burps ever!

jeepboi

01-27-2008, 07:05 AM

Well its a sad day, but I wasted all that time awaiting and nada.

SO 5 caps tommorrow possibly same time, def same place. (just in case, it is 5 caps)

Im off to do some bong ripppppppppppssssss

jebus2029

01-27-2008, 07:49 AM

ok, i think its about 2 and a half hours since i posted. The two kinda hit me and got my room mate pretty good but not amazing. So i took another about 2 hours ago. I got hit good for about 15 minutes and then it started wearing off. so i just popped another about 5 minutes ago :stoned: im hoping it puts me into a nice peaceful coma. i think its worked pretty well, but i am gonna try again, this time with a crock pot, and some weed im not use to. all in all though im pretty happy with them.

Flameon

01-27-2008, 10:27 AM

Just got done doing this via the boiling water and glass bowl with something similar to the egg cooker.

Cooked for a little over an hour used kief. So we will see how they turned out as far as potency I used 2 grams of kief and 7 grams of coconut oil.

Ill keep ya updated

thanks for the TUTORIAL!

Hi jeepboi and welcome to the thread,
It's a pity I didn't log in sooner, but if you haven't taken those remaining caps yet, don't!

There are a couple of issues that may have affected their potency, and unfortunately I suspect the main one is the use of the water bath method (and also I don't think 1 hour of cooking time will have been long enough).

But don't worry we can still save the situation!

The thread has gotten quite long now, so some of the later 'troubleshooting' posts aren't easy to find, but we've been trying to discourage people from using a water based double broiling technique unless they're very experienced in using them, and understand how to avoid the risk of 'under-cooking'.

I'd avoid the water bath method if I were you (although I've used it successfully many times in the past, I've found that too many people are finding it difficult to maintain a high enough temperature for long enough), instead stick with the oven and you'll be fine as long as you remember to keep an eye on it and make sure it doesn't get too hot.

I'm comfortable with recommending gas mark 1 as the setting (275 Degrees F) as long as people are aware that if their oven is old (or unreliable) it may get too hot (i.e. above the point when THC starts to evaporate). Even then to be honest a few degrees over probably isn't going to do any noticeable harm. You'll probably be able to spot if its too hot from the increasing 'weed' smell.

It's important to remember that getting the temperature over 80 C is essential (whilst not exceeding 140 C).

It needs to be:

Hot enough to melt the resin heads and allow the THC to amalgamate fully with the butter/oil, but, below the first THC vaporization point, otherwise the THC starts to evaporate.
(Roughly speaking the required range is between: 80 and 140 degrees Centigrade, or 175 and 285 Fahrenheit).

If you haven't taken the remaining caps, I'd scrape out the contents into an egg cup and re-heat in the oven for another hour (maybe an hour and a half if your oven isn't running too hot) at the higher temperature, then repack once cool.
Hopefully this will get the oil hot enough for the THC in the resin heads to dissolve into the oil.
Good luck.

Flameon

01-27-2008, 10:31 AM

ehokid

01-27-2008, 06:35 PM

Im thinking about trying this method tomorrow. Ive had good success making green dragon 3 or 4 times so I'm having good feelings about this. I was wondering if you know of any chain stores that sold the capsules like CVS or Walgreens. Id like to be able to buy them tomorrow and not have to wait for the internet.

MVP

01-27-2008, 07:11 PM

You can get empty capsules at a local healthfood store like Wild Oats, Whole Foods Market, or maybe even GNC.

niltrog

01-28-2008, 06:47 AM

I guess I'll go ahead and post real quick. We have another batch in the oven. If it doesn't work this time, it will likely be the last time we try. We are pretty excited about this batch. We had bought a coffee grinder with gift cards so we were able to use that this time. Very powdery. Also, we bought a better thermometer, and we tested the oil for a good solid 275 temperature before we put the bud in. It's also been in there for going on 4 hours, so that should help. We will be capping them in a bit and taking them tomorrow after work. We shall see what happens this time.

jeepboi

01-28-2008, 07:30 AM

alright I will attempt to reheat them.

good luck niltrog.

Chrono420

01-30-2008, 12:05 PM

I am planning on trying this in a couple of days depending when the pills get here. I just want to get a few things strait. I was planning on using a candy thermometer and keeping the temp between 200f and 230f for around 2-3 hours that sound about right? Also should I "activate" my bud before hand by putting it in the oven and if so what temp and how long.

I also wanted to say thanks to all contributing parties hopefully by your sacrifices I wont loose any bud and can make some killer edibles.

Flameon

01-30-2008, 06:42 PM

Crock pots and getting the 'right' temperature.

As anyone who's been following the thread knows, 'crock pots' can be a little temperamental from time to time when it comes to getting the right temperature (between 80 and 140 degrees Centigrade, or 175 and 285 Fahrenheit).

Following the excellent advice given by MVP regarding oven thermometers, I've bought my own and have been experimenting with the settings to see how much variance there was in the crock pots I use.

It's important to remember two critical things when replicating this recipe:
Firstly, the most important thing is getting the temperature right (too low and you won't dissolve the THC into the oil, too high and you'll decrease potency).
Secondly, grind the weed up as fine as you can manage.

If you stick to those points you won't go too far wrong.

Since I've been recording my own temperature changes (and how it affects the end product), I thought it might be useful to post up results.

As you'll see from the attached pictures, the 'high' setting on my 'crock pot' reached just over 300F - 150 C (when left on for an hour), too high, especially given that it would be 'over-cooking' the weed for at least another hour.
When turned to the 'low' setting it dropped and remained at around 250 F - 120 C (still surprisingly high).
To regulate this down slightly I found that by turning it to the 'warm' setting it slowly (over the course of about 20 minutes) it dropped to the 220 F - 100 C mark, whereby I could turn it back to 'low' until it started to get too high again.
If you don't have a warm setting on your crock pot the same result could be achieved by lifting the lid off for a minute or two.

If you've had problems 'nailing' down the technique a thermometer is a worthwhile investment.
Remember, if you can smell weed, chances are it's too hot!

Hope this helps, and keep the field reports coming (good and bad), it all helps to build up the knowledge base for everyones benefit.

Cheers guys, and good cooking! :thumbsup:

p.s. Hi Chrono420, activating your weed (i.e. drying it out to convert the THCA to THC is well worth doing), gas mark 1 for 10 to 15 minutes (depending on how well cured it already is). Hope that helps.

coolcat55

01-30-2008, 09:51 PM

I was at first skeptical about the authenticity of this recipe, I can vouch 100% for this working.

I decided to make a very very small batch, using a teaspoon of butter, and about .2 grams of some finely ground (using a cheese grater) Marijuana (good mids). Not only did I use the wrong kind of fat (plain butter, not Ghee/coconut oil) but I also only let it cook for 1 hour 30 minutes since I was in a rush. I have consumed about 1/2 of it right now, so about .1 grams, and I am moderatly high already.

I can't wait until I get the correct oil, cook it for around 4 hours, and make a larger batch!

By the way, wiping the butter into the inside of a nutty bar tastes delicious and works well if you have no capsules.

OZO

01-31-2008, 02:32 AM

By the way, wiping the butter into the inside of a nutty bar tastes delicious and works well if you have no capsules.

Good suggestion.
I have actually never used the capsules. I usually just wait till the coconut oil hardens, scoop a little out and drop it down the hatch (I could not do this with butter only the coconut oil).

G-rass

02-01-2008, 04:39 PM

after my third attempt i finally got it to work. i clarified my own butter by letting it simmer for about 5 to 10 minutes until all of the white crap was out and i was left with clear butter. then i added about 1.5 gs of finely ground mids. and then i just spooned out about a table spoon of butter and threw in the crock pot and voila. it ended up making about 16 00 capsules. the first try i took 3 and fealt a moderate buzz. then yesterday around 3:30 ish i took 4 capsules and was flying pretty good for about 2 or 3 hours. i did this on an empty stomach and it took a good 2 hours to kick in. i would highly recommend this because its extremely easy and when the cops raided my college dorm last night they were none the wiser :stoned:
thanks alot flameon these babies work great :D

smok3y

02-01-2008, 05:11 PM

Thanks dude, will need to give it a try some time..

Has any one else tryed these capsules? If so what are they like?

Here a link for buyin gelatine capsules Empty Capsule Shop - Empty Gelatine Capsules (http://www.value-healthcare.co.uk/store/index.php?cPath=21&gclid=CNbKjoy9o5ECFQE_MAodPW0tXA)

Peace:hippy:

Weedhound

02-01-2008, 07:11 PM

As an add on to Flameon's post about crockpots.

I spent the afternoon cooking capsules in mine, checking temps along the way and learned several interesting things. First the low setting is too low (180F) Second..the high setting is too high. (once it got to 275 and still going up I turned it down) so the answer was to watch temps and switch between low and high as Flame suggested. It was still much easier than standing there with the stuff as it cooked. I simply checked temps and made adjustments once an hour and that was plenty. All in all the process took about 4 hours.....made longer of course by my taking off the top and checking temps here and there but was MUCH less work than my other way.

medman12

02-02-2008, 06:38 PM

Made these guys last night. Used 1/8 mids, 5 tsp coconut oil, in a 250 degree oven for 2 1/2 hours. Cured the herb for 15 minutes at same temperature then ground it up very fine before hand. It looked like a very dark olive oil when it was done. Ended up filling 30 capsules (a pleasant surprise, I was only expecting around 24). Just took one 15 minutes ago to see how strong they are. Should be a very nice afternoon. I'll update later on.

STIMPY21

02-02-2008, 10:30 PM

I have successfully made many of the edibles that we discuss here and have come to realize if you fail that you must try again. I made some capsules in a crock pot as was suggested,and they very mildly worked. Knowing in the practical world that you need fat to bind with and heat to decarb, and at least decent materials to work with. I set out to troubleshoot. I had made several beginners mistakes. The capsules more or less melted as soon as I put the mixture in as the water that errantly got in there from the crock pot will disolve the capsules that was Mistake #1. Mistake#2 was that I did not dry and finely grind the herbs. Mistake #3 the crock pot didn't quite get to 80c maybe 77 or so. So I see my mistakes, and am going to try to reheat the rest of the oil after chopping it some to make it more finely ground. Also at the same time I am making another batch with more potent materials. I hate to dry out these fresh greens but thats what's got to happen. Will post back with results
STIMPY21

simplesmok

02-03-2008, 04:21 PM

I was sick of trying to hold the caps while filling them and didn't really want to fork over the cash for a capsule filling tray. I was at Michaels craft store and came across florist foam. It already had holes in it so every other premade hole I pushed a cap in to make the hole bigger/deeper. It works great and was a steal at $2.49.

shifty1872allwO

02-03-2008, 05:44 PM

so do these work like fursure

toomanynics

02-04-2008, 08:36 AM

Iâ??m really glad I tried this. Smoking and I donâ??t get along so I am very glad to have this option. Thank you Flameon and the contributors for the directions and information on this subject. Iâ??ve learned a great deal by coming here. My first attempt at making this stuff was okay. The crock pot I used is very old (an original!) so I tested it first--every 10-12 minutes with an instant read thermo over a period of about two hours. The low setting of the pot runs too cool for this job. A heavy shot glass with a tablespoon of ghee was used as the vehicle. From a cold start, it took two hours to reach 257 deg F and then it hovered close to 258 for the next twenty minutes. Joy! Good to go. I donâ??t have a scale and it makes sense I should get one, but for this job I estimated the amount of bud to use based on one eighth of an ounce being about 3.5 grams. I oven-dried the bud for 15 minutes at 250 deg F, ground it fine with an electric coffee grinder and fed it to the hot oil in the pot for two hours. Then I let it cool in the pot for about a half hour with the lid off. While liquid, the resulting oil had what I would call a medium olive color. Later, I tried some of the results. It took a little over two hours before I felt it. I think this method is going to be great for me. Looking back, I just didnâ??t use enough bud to get the results I was hoping for, but it was good. Next time will be better. Thanks to all of you.

MVP

02-04-2008, 10:22 PM

....the resulting oil had what I would call a medium olive color...

Keep in mind, the greener the herb, the greener the oil. Medium Olive, or maybe a shade or two darker, is what I get.

Chrono420

02-05-2008, 09:02 PM

All right guys tonights the night its going down but i have a quick question. This may seem dumb but i have two thermometers one readying the temp in the crock pot and one for reading the temp of the oil in the glass I'm keeping it in but my problem is that i cant keep my candy thermometer in the crock pot at the same time because it wont fit so i have to open the lid take the glass out and tilt it to measure the temp of the oil which causes the temp of the oil to drop and the temp inside the crock pot which i would like to avoid.

Now my question is should the temp of the crock pot and the oil be the same because if so then i could just use the thermometer that i have sitting in the crock pot.

whew sorry for the long post

MVP

02-06-2008, 01:20 AM

Now my question is should the temp of the crock pot and the oil be the same because if so then i could just use the thermometer that i have sitting in the crock pot.

The temps will be close enough to work for you. Make sure the temp does not go above 250 F or you will be burning your herb. What I do with my crock pot is to fire it up on high for the first 30-40 minutes (it get up to 250 F), then take the lid off to cool it slightly back it down to the low setting. Temps remained about 225 F last time, slightly higher that the 200-210 F I wanted, but low enough to deliver the quality...

toomanynics

02-06-2008, 04:31 PM

Obviously there are temperatures too hot and too cold to get what's wanted. Heating time can be too short or past the point of diminishing returns. I propose we conduct a massive funded study to determine optimum yields based on these variables! How does temperature in range and time affect the results? :D

Aristotle

02-07-2008, 12:30 AM

Hey guys, two questions. When using the pan and mixing bowl method, how long do you simmer the hashish into the oil? I know you specified 1 hour with hash for the crockpot method, but no mention of how long with the PnMB method.

Also, just like when using bud, should the hash be pretty well broken up before I add it?

Flameon

02-08-2008, 12:09 PM

Hi guys and thanks for the updates, Q's and field reports. Great info!

I propose we conduct a massive funded study to determine optimum yields based on these variables! How does temperature in range and time affect the results? :D

Lol, Count me in. I've been experimenting with some different Sativa and Indica based strains to see which are better for pain relief/meditation/space exploration etc. I'll let you know how it goes.
Currently, my personal fav is a 60/40 indica dominated mix which I get by making two separate batches, with slightly more weed in the indica batch. So, couch-locked but flying 'high' in blissful contentment. 'Turn the volume up a bit will ya'

Hey guys, two questions. When using the pan and mixing bowl method, how long do you simmer the hashish into the oil? I know you specified 1 hour with hash for the crockpot method, but no mention of how long with the PnMB method.

Also, just like when using bud, should the hash be pretty well broken up before I add it?

Don't worry about breaking the hash up too much, after about an hour it'll dissolve into a kind of sludge/mud anyhow (depending on its construction method).

I'm cautious about recommending the PnMB method unless people are aware how important it is to keep the temp as close to boiling point as they can (too low and the THC won't break down and dissolve into the oil.

Also, watch the hash to oil ratio's, I almost screwed up a batch last week trying a new hash variety that turned very 'fluffy' in the heat and expanded so much that in the end was about 70 percent hash 'mud' to about 30 percent oil.
It needs to be half and half at least to allow all the THC to dissolve out (think trying to dissolve a tablespoon of sugar in a teaspoon of water, you reach saturation point quickly and the rest just stays as undissolved sugar grains).
I ended up having to add more oil and re-heat it. Not the best way to get the most out of it.

Keep the heat around the boiling point mark and watch you don't overcook it (the THC in hash dissolves much easier than in weed, so an hour/hour and a half is fine - but anything more can start to degrade potency), and you'll be good to go.
Just out of curiosity, what sort of hash are using?

Anyhow, keep up the good work and let us know how you get on.
Cheers
Flame :thumbsup:

Zendro

02-08-2008, 01:04 PM

Thanks for the great post, this seem like a very convinient way to get stoned.
Today I am going to pick up an eighth, to make 24 capsule, and smoke the remaining.
With the finished product, can I store them in room temperature? How long are they good for before i can notice decrease in potency?

Thanks

SnSstealth

02-08-2008, 03:05 PM

Thank you to Flameon and all the others who've helped refine this process. I haven't tried it yet but read the whole post. the potency factor makes it worth it not to mention the savings$$$

Hey admin we got this :jointsmile: and this :vap_smiley:
any chance we could get a capsule..
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(:D) or (:eat:)
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rofl:S5:

AlterEcho

02-08-2008, 03:54 PM

First, I would like to thank Flameon (and others..can't forget the 'hound') for their work.

Second, I have been checking out a few things. The people that are having a hard time, when using crock pots, started me thinking. So, I took out my crock pot and started checking temps. Anyone using a crock pot might want to add water to the pot. I am currently running three inches of water, in mine. This will help with making the temps more even and will not burn up your unit (some crock pots will cut off due to safety constraints). Once I added the water I was able to reach the higher temps necessary to simmer the mixture. Also, allow a proper amount of time for the unit to heat. After adding the water I had to wait two hours before a good temp was reached (190F). The temps were checked using a meat, digital and mecury thermometer. Once this temp was reached, I then started my two hour countdown.

The item I am using to cook my batch is a glass condiment holder. This conducts heat very well and is easy to extract the mixture. My crock pot is a "Rival Select Crock Pot".
I am also lucky enough to have a digital stove. So, I can also use the stove-top method, with great results.

My first batch was with some standard cheap brown weed. I felt a slight buzz from the pills. But, the best part was it allowed me to sleep like a log (a tough thing for my condition). So when using cheap weed do not expect the same results that would result from hydro.

My second batch was with Apollo 11 Genius. This batch was cooked using the above crock pot method (added water). The Apollo was grown by me and is very potent (covered in crystals). The same bud would sell on the street for $400+ an ounce. This batch turned out to be what everyone here was looking for. One pill and you are quite ripped! Two pills and you are literally tripping. I wouldn't even consider three pills.....unless I met Flameon, Weedhound or MVP at a pub and we decided on ritual suicide :D

-=AE=-

OZO

02-08-2008, 07:35 PM

I wanted to make a batch last night but my crockpot died, so instead I used the oven. I cooked it at 250 for about 3 hours. The finished product is ready to go I just have to wait till it cools.

Today is my day off so I decided to eat a little more then usual :stoned: (about 1 gram). I will try and post my results later but if the oven method is successful I might not be able to :D.

Weedhound

02-08-2008, 07:37 PM

Alter, how long did you cook your stuff for......the GOOD stuff? And what were your temps?

AlterEcho

02-08-2008, 08:40 PM

Alter, how long did you cook your stuff for......the GOOD stuff? And what were your temps?

I cooked the Apollo for two hours and fifteen minutes. Temps stayed steady at 190F. But, like I said, I think the most important thing was the addition of the water. Adding the water and waiting two hours for the temps to rise really made the difference.

-=AE=-

OZO

02-08-2008, 09:45 PM

Well the oven method works. Holly shit am I loaded! Iâ??m so blazed I cant go buy munches. Itâ??s only been two hours and I am high. :stoned:

Weedhound

02-08-2008, 11:43 PM

Ha ha I love stuff like that Ozo. :thumbsup:

Been working with my crockpot and pretty sure I have the method down to what works for me. Toggling between low and high, using a ceramic bowl to heat instead of the cup, cooking things long enough and making sure the mix is cool enough to put into the capsules and I think I've got it down pretty well

Yesterday I cooked up a batch that ended up cooking for 4 hours in my crockpot at approx 225 (between 200 and 250 the entire time.) Without a doubt.....my BEST batch yet. The physicians assistant I spoke to mentioned to me that in most ways of cooking with ganja the longer you cook it the better...IF you stay within temp range.

Three pills was just a TOUCH too much.....:eek:......next go I'll try two. ;)

MVP

02-09-2008, 02:25 AM

lunarose

02-09-2008, 04:48 AM

Flameon

Kudos to you! I have done some experimenting and have found another cooking method that has worked for me. I place my oil and bud mixture into a mason jar seal it and put it in a regular oven set between 225-250. Even if your oven gets too hot any THC that gets vaporized it stays in the jar. No smell.

O High O

02-09-2008, 05:05 AM

Careful heating up mason jars. They aren't tempered so they could possibly explode or crack leaving you with a mess and possible blood loss.

Weedhound

02-09-2008, 05:14 AM

I agree with Mr O....that doesn't sound safe; especially sealed.

lunarose

02-09-2008, 07:49 PM

MVP

02-10-2008, 04:34 AM

O,

They are made with heat tempered glass in canning you typically use a process called pressure canning where you use a pressure cooker which heats the sealed filled jars to 240 degrees F under 10lbs of pressure. The only real danger of the glass breaking is if when you remove the jar straight from the oven and place it on a cold wet surface. I have done it this way a half dozen times now.
Sharon

Sharon (lunarose) is right. My mom uses them for canning and they are put into a pressure cooker full of boiling water as part of the canning process. Rarely does one ever break, and when it does it is user error not a canning jar issue...

Weedhound

02-10-2008, 04:52 AM

Well that's more than I know about it......:confused:

MVP

02-10-2008, 05:04 AM

I could ask my mom about it just to be positive. Last time she came to visit I showed her my MMJ card and then showed off my garden as well :jointsmile:

spector

02-12-2008, 04:32 AM

I tried this real quick. i ground up bout a g and threw it in with reg butter in my slow cooker, didn’t watch it much just played halo and stirred it every once and a while. Left it in for a good 2 1/2 hrs. I just used old pills I had for something along time ago and emptied them out. This worked great. 1 teaspoon of butter and 1 g made 10 pills. i took 3 the first time and felt a good buzz. I took 4 at work the next day and was good and messed up for about 4-6 hrs made work and class go by fast......they took about 2-3 hrs to kick in. gave the last 3 to my boss because he thought it was all in my head. In about 3 hrs he changed his mind. The whole thing was a great experience.

found a great site to get empty pills from CapsulineÂ® | Where Innovation Is Our Priority (http://www.capsuline.com)

thanks Flameon

dankleader420

02-12-2008, 05:48 PM

How do I start my own thread thing? I dont have alot of money so I am trying to go with the cheapest setup that will still be successful. i just started 2 plants, they are about 3 days in and have sprouted but i dont know if i have enough light. I have a 75 watt fluorescent tube that im using but im not sure this is enough. any suggestions on what to use that isnt very expensive that will still be good? i was thinking about buying two CFLs (one for each plant) would that be enough light or would i still need more?

SnSstealth

02-12-2008, 07:45 PM

MVP

02-13-2008, 05:50 PM

OK OK...WH, MVP you guys and doughboy over here in my head all day have convinced me.. Im gonna try this, Ive cooked fresh bud for cannabutter every harvest for years, but never in a crockpot with dry nug and butter.....just to get it straight... tblsp of butter per gram of dry ground bud. 2 1/2 hrs at around 210 deg? is this right?
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

this should be fun, cause after as many years as Ive been smokin, i got bonglung...lol and the vape is too time consuming.

WT-

Pretty close, but 1 gram of bud to 1 TEASPOON (not tablespoon) of butter, or preferably coconut oil. Heating the oil first, and then adding the herb is a good idea. Here is the link to my post showing how to make 2 dozen capsules with an 1/8 and 1 Tablespoon.

Making Two Dozen Caps w/ 1/8 herb + 1 TBSP Oil (http://boards.cannabis.com/1773795-post204.html)

Have fun and post back your results!

MVP :jointsmile:

SnSstealth

02-13-2008, 08:05 PM

ty MVP....will post results as soon as we do em. Actually me and doughboy will post 3-4 hrs after taking em...lol gonna use your eighth recipe.....
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

mbizzle

02-13-2008, 10:26 PM

ok, I'm trying this for my first time.

I've measured the temperature on the crockpot, and it's stayed at about 250 degrees f

it's been about an hour, but the mixture isn't super dark green (I used .5g's of dank to 1 teaspoon of ghee)

it's light to medium green, and the herb doesn't cover the whole surface of the container I'm cooking it in (a small bowl, 3 inches in diameter, 2 inches high).

should everything work fine?

2 hours of cooking, let it cool, freeze the substance, and put into capsules correct?

tjcioffe

02-13-2008, 11:05 PM

hey all, just checking back in.

the last few experiments i did were not big success stories with trying to add duff to the mixture and whatnot... inspired by flame's oven thermometer and whoever (i think it was weedhound) said to cook for 4 hours, i bought myself a oven thermometer (thanks martha stewart! =P) and found out that my crockpot stays between 200-225F on low, but takes FOREVER to heat up. armed with this new knowledge, i let it fully heat up before throwing in my mixture, and then baked for 3 and a half hours.

1 pill was a nice buzz, 2 got me pretty stoned, and im going to give 3 a try tonite when im done working out. All in all, I'd say i've finally achieved success, so thanks for all the pointers guys.

I'm currently making a batch with 4.5 teaspoons of oil and 4.5 grams of headies (funny how the teaspoons and grams are equal when you use bud for this method... makes it very easy to figure out how to scale it lol)... i have a ski trip up in vermont with 9 of my friends this weekend so i figure bringing 36 pills should make for a very fun and interesting trip =)

thanks again for all the help guys, and ill let you know if i ever try the duff method again (i may just save my duff for more traditional baking... =P)
-tspot

mobyone

02-14-2008, 02:03 PM

First I'd like to thank Flame for his continued support of this thread.

I have some questions for you Flame, that I'm dying to know.

In the original instructions, and throughout the thread, your advice has been to keep the temperature in the 180F to 230F range. However, in post 269, you had bought a thermometer and found out exactly what temperatures your crockpot was giving for each setting.

Ok, so here's my questions.

1) At what setting had you been using before measuring the temperature?

Whatever it was, you were getting outstanding results. Your original post suggests setting the crockpot on low, which turned out to be 250F when you measured it.

2) After measuring the temp, did you change the setting you were using?

3) If so, why? If it's not broken, don't fix it right?

It would make more sense to change your opinion on the temperature than it would to change the setting if the results you were getting at that temperature were outstanding.

4) If you did change it, how did that affect the final product?

Did you get better results when you moderated the temperature down to what you THOUGHT it should be?

5) Why use a crockpot?

It seems clear that a lot of people who have tried this have had wildly different results with crockpots and, in some cases, uneven distribution of heat within the pot.

6) Why not use an oven?

This question is really just 5) continued. I have used a thermometer to see if the temperature reported by my oven is accurate and it was spot on. Intuition tells me that the temperature distribution in an oven would probably be more stable due to the larger size. In other words, you have less chance for temperature variances based on localized heating (being closer or farther away from the heat source).

7) Assuming that you are working with very dry bud, approximately how much bud is in one tablespoon? Would you say that is about one gram?

I don't have a digital scale, and even if I did, the weight varies with the water content of the bud. Either way, how much oil would you suggest using for one tablespoon of bud? (based on the previous posts I would guess 1 tablespoon or maybe 1.2 tablespoons max)

Ok, enough questions for now. As for my experiences so far, I will admit that I haven't tried much. I have made firecrackers twice. The first time, I ate only one cracker with extremely mild effects...almost nothing really, just pleasant. The second time I ate two and felt great, but not the overpowering high everyone talks about.

Here is my main problem with firecrackers. I put about as much weed on one cracker as you can fit without spilling over. I'm guessing that it amounts to at least .5g if not more like .75. I felt good eating a total of 1g to 1.5g, but if I had vaped that same amount, I would be hurled into the next dimension.

I can fill my vaporizer approximately 25-30 times with a 1/4 ounce and get annihilated EVERY TIME. So, that would mean that .25g contains enough THC for this effect.

So, you can imagine that I am extremely UNHAPPY using 4 to 6 times the weed and not getting the same results! This is why I'm hoping that I can make your method work and get back to the same results with the same ratio I'm using in the vaporizer. I have one weak lung and even the vaporizer irritates it.

I had much better results with the second batch than the first and I achieved this by increasing the temps and time. The first batch was 320F for 22 minutes. The second was 325F for 30 minutes.

I believe that if I went down to 230F, in the range that you suggest, absolutely nothing would have happened. Perhaps that is because of the short time frame. However, the things that still confuses me is the opinion that temps above 300 will kill off the THC. In my case, I don't think 300 would have been enough. It could be that, in the short time frame, some is vaped off and the rest is retained. I'm curious on your thoughts about this.

So, I will be trying your method in the next week or so. Here are the parameters I'm using.

1) 1 tablespoon of bud, ground to a fine powder with an electric coffee grinder.
2) 1.2 tablespoons of ghee or coconut oil, whichever I can get. (Hopefully ghee)
3) Pre-heat oven to 250F, verified with a thermometer.
4) Add oil to a small ceramic cup with a ceramic lid and wait for it to reach 250F.
5) Add weed to cup and mix.
7) Cook 1 hour and stir.
8) Cook another 1 hour and stir.
9) Cook another 30 minutes and remove.

If the results match the results of my vaporizer, this should be enough to get 4 people high as a kite for hours. I will report back the results, though I am curious to hear any opinions on my plans.

Thanks,

Moby

Weedhound

02-14-2008, 02:32 PM

mobyone

02-14-2008, 03:42 PM

I can tell you from my own personal experience cooking with a thermometer that 300 degrees is too high.....I've done it several different ways. Keep your temps between 200-250 imo and the longer you can cook it the better.

I've seen people say 4 hours is too long and seen others say the longer the better. I'm assuming that you've found a method that works for you, so how long do you cook it? If it didn't matter to you how long it took, how long would you let it cook? I would assume that there is a limit. Obviously cooking for 10 days isn't going to do you any good. :D

Rock.Steady

02-14-2008, 04:16 PM

Flameon

02-14-2008, 04:48 PM

This worked great. 1 teaspoon of butter and 1 g made 10 pills. i took 3 the first time and felt a good buzz. I took 4 at work the next day and was good and messed up for about 4-6 hrs made work and class go by fast......they took about 2-3 hrs to kick in. gave the last 3 to my boss because he thought it was all in my head. In about 3 hrs he changed his mind. The whole thing was a great experience.

Nice job spector, glad to hear they worked out for you! :thumbsup:

WT-

Pretty close, but 1 gram of bud to 1 TEASPOON (not tablespoon) of butter, or preferably coconut oil. Heating the oil first, and then adding the herb is a good idea. Here is the link to my post showing how to make 2 dozen capsules with an 1/8 and 1 Tablespoon.

Making Two Dozen Caps w/ 1/8 herb + 1 TBSP Oil (http://boards.cannabis.com/1773795-post204.html)

Have fun and post back your results!

MVP :jointsmile:

Hi MVP, as always, you are my ambassador of 'Quon'! Thanks.

ok, I'm trying this for my first time.

I've measured the temperature on the crockpot, and it's stayed at about 250 degrees f

it's been about an hour, but the mixture isn't super dark green (I used .5g's of dank to 1 teaspoon of ghee)

it's light to medium green, and the herb doesn't cover the whole surface of the container I'm cooking it in (a small bowl, 3 inches in diameter, 2 inches high).

should everything work fine?

2 hours of cooking, let it cool, freeze the substance, and put into capsules correct?

Hi mbizzle

The temps sound fine, although 0.5 of a gram is not going to fill too many capsules. How many were you planning on making?
Also, I'm not sure why you're going to freeze the mix before putting it into the capsules.
You'll find them easier to fill while the oil/butter is still in liquid form (room temperature).
You can freeze or keep them in the fridge afterwards. :jointsmile:

Flameon

02-14-2008, 05:30 PM

Hi mobyone, and wecome to the Forums :thumbsup:

I have some questions for you Flame, that I'm dying to know.

1) At what setting had you been using before measuring the temperature?

I'd been experimenting with two different 'crock pots' (and the double broiler method), to see what different strengths could be achieved using similar amounts of bud and hash, and what (if any) differences I saw in their effects, but mostly it was on 'low'.

2) After measuring the temp, did you change the setting you were using?

No. I tried a couple of batches on 'high' in the second 'crock pot' (the larger one in the pictures with the black bowl), but found that the strength was less than I was getting on low.
I suspected as much, due to both the smell, and of course the potency of the capsules. This was confirmed later when I checked using a thermometer.

3) If so, why? If it's not broken, don't fix it right?

It would make more sense to change your opinion on the temperature than it would to change the setting if the results you were getting at that temperature were outstanding.

True. I was just 'tinkering' to see what (if any) improvements I could find.

4) If you did change it, how did that affect the final product?

Did you get better results when you moderated the temperature down to what you THOUGHT it should be?

Yes. In my experience the three critical factors are: the quality and consistency of the bud used, the amount of cooking time, and the temperature. Bearing in mind that the process isn't quick, if your 'over-cooking' the bud at too high a temperature (even if it's only 10 or 20 degrees) its going to have a detrimental effect on the overall potency.
For example, if you cooked a pizza at 190 degrees instead of 180 for 12 minutes its not going to make too much difference to the end product, but extend that to three hours... well you see what I mean.

5) Why use a crockpot?

It seems clear that a lot of people who have tried this have had wildly different results with crockpots and, in some cases, uneven distribution of heat within the pot.

6) Why not use an oven?

This question is really just 5) continued. I have used a thermometer to see if the temperature reported by my oven is accurate and it was spot on. Intuition tells me that the temperature distribution in an oven would probably be more stable due to the larger size. In other words, you have less chance for temperature variances based on localized heating (being closer or farther away from the heat source).

In theory I would tend to agree, however, the chances of inconsistent temperature ranges is as great (perhaps even greater) using conventional ovens.
The differences between Make and Model, age, whether they are Gas or Electric, fan assisted, etc all mean that they too are subject to unpredictability. The reason behind the choice of 'crock pot' was based on the typical operating ranges they are supposed to run at.

7) Assuming that you are working with very dry bud, approximately how much bud is in one tablespoon? Would you say that is about one gram?

I don't have a digital scale, and even if I did, the weight varies with the water content of the bud. Either way, how much oil would you suggest using for one tablespoon of bud? (based on the previous posts I would guess 1 tablespoon or maybe 1.2 tablespoons max)

I'm hoping Weedhound will help me out on this one, as I use digital scales and a small tray, however it sounds about right.

So, I will be trying your method in the next week or so. Here are the parameters I'm using.

1) 1 tablespoon of bud, ground to a fine powder with an electric coffee grinder.
2) 1.2 tablespoons of ghee or coconut oil, whichever I can get. (Hopefully ghee)
3) Pre-heat oven to 250F, verified with a thermometer.
4) Add oil to a small ceramic cup with a ceramic lid and wait for it to reach 250F.
5) Add weed to cup and mix.
7) Cook 1 hour and stir.
8) Cook another 1 hour and stir.
9) Cook another 30 minutes and remove.

If the results match the results of my vaporizer, this should be enough to get 4 people high as a kite for hours. I will report back the results, though I am curious to hear any opinions on my plans.

Thanks,

Moby

Sounds good to me, will you be using capsules or 'setting' the oil/ghee and dividing it up into portions?
Good luck and let us know how you get on.

Cheers
Flame :thumbsup:

Flameon

02-14-2008, 05:39 PM

i'm wondering why not use a double boiler, stovetop style?
seems to me, if u use a thermometer in the water of the outer boiler, get it to the exact temp u want with the flame regulated, it would stay that temp until the water evaporates. in which case, i would have another pot of water, preheated to replace whats evaporating

given the apparent fluctuations that exist in different crock pots and ovens in general, this is the method i plan on employing as soon as i have the nugs/keef to work with.

there's my nickel.;)

The beauty of the double boiler method is you cant 'overcook' the weed (the boiling point of water prevents you getting over 100 C), however, it also means it is possible to 'under' cook it (as some people have experienced).

You need the temperature to be as close to boiling as you can consistently keep it (it also requires a bit more work, you need to watch it, regulate the flame up and down, and make sure it doesn't boil dry), otherwise the THC won't dissolve into the oli/ghee.

Its a technique that some people have struggled with, but as long as you're aware of the 'do's and don't's, you should be rocking and rolling.

Rock.Steady

02-14-2008, 05:48 PM

The beauty of the double boiler method is you cant 'overcook' the weed (the boiling point of water prevents you getting over 100 C), however, it also means it is possible to 'under' cook it (as some people have experienced).

You need the temperature to be as close to boiling as you can consistently keep it (it also requires a bit more work, you need to watch it, regulate the flame up and down, and make sure it doesn't boil dry), otherwise the THC won't dissolve into the oli/ghee.

Its a technique that some people have struggled with, but as long as you're aware of the 'do's and don't's, you should be rocking and rolling.

Flameon-
excellent point i failed to consider regarding temp required and water boiling/evap points.

my solution would then be to use vegetable oil in the boiler.

the smoke points of various cooking oils are much higher than required for this project.
just be careful no to burn yourself:thumbsup:

Smoke Points
Safflower 265 degrees C
Sunflower 246 degrees C
Soybean 241 degrees C
Canola 238 degrees C
Corn 236 degrees C
Peanut 231 degrees C
Sesame 215 degrees C
Olive 190 degrees C
Lards 183 to 205 degrees C

also consider it will take longer for oil to evaporate.
i believe this may be a winner.

mobyone

02-14-2008, 06:32 PM

Sounds good to me, will you be using capsules or 'setting' the oil/ghee and dividing it up into portions?
Good luck and let us know how you get on.
Cheers
Flame :thumbsup:

I'll be using capsules.

mobyone

02-14-2008, 06:34 PM

Anybody got the number of this cop that made brownies?

YouTube - Cop Eats Pot Brownies, Calls 911 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CU6AVtQethw)

Apparently they'll make you feel like your dead. I think he's got the method down to a science. LOL :D

Flameon

02-14-2008, 10:30 PM

Flameon-
excellent point i failed to consider regarding temp required and water boiling/evap points.

my solution would then be to use vegetable oil in the boiler.

the smoke points of various cooking oils are much higher than required for this project.
just be careful no to burn yourself:thumbsup:

Smoke Points
Safflower 265 degrees C
Sunflower 246 degrees C
Soybean 241 degrees C
Canola 238 degrees C
Corn 236 degrees C
Peanut 231 degrees C
Sesame 215 degrees C
Olive 190 degrees C
Lards 183 to 205 degrees C

also consider it will take longer for oil to evaporate.
i believe this may be a winner.

Hi again Rock Steady

I think we may have misunderstood each other, when I spoke about evaporation I was referring to the water boiling off in the Pan and bowl 'double boiler' method.

Regarding the temps: the recipe specifically calls for temperatures below 140 C (285 F), therefore the 'smoke points' of the oils aren't really important as we shouldn't be getting anywhere near them.

Also, without confusing the issue too much, you could use some of the oils you suggest, however, there is a very important reason behind choosing clarified butter (Ghee) or Coconut oil over them. Namely, the fact that they are both higher in saturated fat, which is generally more effective in releasing the THC into the blood stream (due to the way the stomach acids digest, break down, and absorb that type of fat). Out of the ones you mention lard is probably the best, though not quite as tasty, or as efficient.

The capsules will still work if you use other oils, though you'll probably need to 'up' the amount of weed used in order to compensate for any loss of absorption.

Hope this makes sense, there's more info on the types of oils/fats that work best nearer the start of the thread.

Anyhow, cheers and good cooking! :jointsmile:
Flame

p.s. mobyone
Getting so wasted that I call for an ambulance has never been an issue. After taking three of these bad boys I'm not capable of using the phone! lol

Weedhound

02-15-2008, 12:25 AM

M-one,

My doctor gave me a crockpot recipe for cooking and she spoke about cooking for 6- 8 hours which I haven't tried yet myself. My last batch I cooked for 4 hours between 200-250...and they are SUPERB! :thumbsup:

Rock.Steady

02-15-2008, 12:51 AM

Hi again Rock Steady

I think we may have misunderstood each other, when I spoke about evaporation I was referring to the water boiling off in the Pan and bowl 'double boiler' method.

Regarding the temps: the recipe specifically calls for temperatures below 140 C (285 F), therefore the 'smoke points' of the oils aren't really important as we shouldn't be getting anywhere near them.

Also, without confusing the issue too much, you could use some of the oils you suggest, however, there is a very important reason behind choosing clarified butter (Ghee) or Coconut oil over them. Namely, the fact that they are both higher in saturated fat, which is generally more effective in releasing the THC into the blood stream (due to the way the stomach acids digest, break down, and absorb that type of fat). Out of the ones you mention lard is probably the best, though not quite as tasty, or as efficient.

The capsules will still work if you use other oils, though you'll probably need to 'up' the amount of weed used in order to compensate for any loss of absorption.

Hope this makes sense, there's more info on the types of oils/fats that work best nearer the start of the thread.

Anyhow, cheers and good cooking! :jointsmile:
Flame

p.s. mobyone
Getting so wasted that I call for an ambulance has never been an issue. After taking three of these bad boys I'm not capable of using the phone! lol

Flameon,
sorry, but after re-reading your reply 3 times just to be sure I was clear on what you are stating, you have definately misunderstood my suggestion.

I am in no way suggesting to change the recipe, let me be very clear on that.

what I am proposing/suggesting, is if someone (like me) wants to employ the double boiler method, water would be an insufficient media to use in the outter pot, due mainly to the boiling point of water being 212F/100C, something i had overlooked before.
the required temps in your recipe would have the water constantly boiling off before the desired temps are reached for the project to be a success.
Instead, what I am suggesting, and i hope i am being more clear, is if using the double boiler, stovetop method, one 'could' successfully utilize a cooking oil in the outter boiler to achieve the temps required for the recipe, whilst the coconut oil and keef are safely housed in the inner pot with a lid. the reason for showing the smoke point was only to point out that the required temp for the recipe is well under the smoke points, therefore no need to worry about the oil getting too hot and filling the house with smoke.

hope this helps clarify.
i was only trying to suggest what i believe may be a method to achieve more consistant temp with control.

no matter what, i love the recipe and this thread.
when i am able to aquire the nesesary ingredients, i will use this method and report back.:thumbsup:

mobyone

02-15-2008, 12:53 PM

Ok, I changed my mind. I went out looking for a coffee grinder and only found grinders that grind LARGE amounts of "coffee". So, I bought a pepper grinder instead. The ground weed is almost dust, so I think it'll work just fine. Anyway, while at the store I looked at crockpots and found a digital one with a "probe" that I can place in the oil. So, I can guarantee the temperature in the oil. Last night I put the crockpot on high with an oven thermometer inside and the temp was a hair above 250, so I probably don't even need the probe. I will be cooking tonight and testing tomorrow. :D

Flameon

02-15-2008, 03:13 PM

what I am proposing/suggesting, is if someone (like me) wants to employ the double boiler method, water would be an insufficient media to use in the outter pot, due mainly to the boiling point of water being 212F/100C, something i had overlooked before.
the required temps in your recipe would have the water constantly boiling off before the desired temps are reached for the project to be a success.
Instead, what I am suggesting, and i hope i am being more clear, is if using the double boiler, stovetop method, one 'could' successfully utilize a cooking oil in the outter boiler to achieve the temps required for the recipe, whilst the coconut oil and keef are safely housed in the inner pot with a lid. the reason for showing the smoke point was only to point out that the required temp for the recipe is well under the smoke points, therefore no need to worry about the oil getting too hot and filling the house with smoke.

hope this helps clarify.

Ah, I see what you're saying now, sorry my misunderstanding.

It's a very interesting solution, and would certainly solve the problem of not getting the temperature 'high' enough to make sure that the THC melted into the oil.
I guess you'd need to monitor the temperature pretty closely during the cooking to make sure it doesn't get too hot , but it should be fairly easy to regulate it by tuning the gas (or electricity) up or down in order to keep the oil between the 'high' and 'low' parameters. You'd just need to keep watching the thermometer.

I'll be interested to hear if anyone gives this a go, and how they get on. Nice suggestion Rock Steady, cheers :jointsmile:

Ok, I changed my mind. I went out looking for a coffee grinder and only found grinders that grind LARGE amounts of "coffee". So, I bought a pepper grinder instead. The ground weed is almost dust, so I think it'll work just fine. Anyway, while at the store I looked at crockpots and found a digital one with a "probe" that I can place in the oil. So, I can guarantee the temperature in the oil. Last night I put the crockpot on high with an oven thermometer inside and the temp was a hair above 250, so I probably don't even need the probe. I will be cooking tonight and testing tomorrow. :D

Hey moby, looking forward to reading your field report.
Just out of curiosity, if you leave the probe in during the cooking, could you keep a note of the 'high' and 'low' temperatures that your crock pot hits and post it up?
Also, I'd be interested to get an idea of how many caps you're making and the ratio's of bud to oil etc.
It's all good info.

Hope it goes well, and keep us posted.
Cheers
Flame :thumbsup:

mobyone

02-15-2008, 03:46 PM

Hey moby, looking forward to reading your field report.
Just out of curiosity, if you leave the probe in during the cooking, could you keep a note of the 'high' and 'low' temperatures that your crock pot hits and post it up?
Also, I'd be interested to get an idea of how many caps you're making and the ratio's of bud to oil etc.
It's all good info.

Hope it goes well, and keep us posted.
Cheers
Flame :thumbsup:

Welll, theoretically, the temperature shouldn't vary much because the crockpot will add heat or not depending on the temp of the probe. Also, it doesn't show the temp of the probe, only the temp that you want to keep the probe at.

I will put the oven thermometer in the crockpot to see how it varies with the temp of the oil (probe).

As far as ratios, I will be trying to keep it almost 1 to 1. My idea was to load my vaporizer with a normal load for one person and then multiply that by 3 (since I want to share this with 2 friends). I will then measure this out and measure out the same amount of oil. I'm guessing it will be close to 1 tbsp of weed. I'll add a little extra oil if it seems that the mix is too dry or pasty.

I'm thinking to make 12 caps. I will try one cap one night and then two caps the next night. If I'm not blown away I'll try three etc... It might take me a week or so to come back with all of the results because I can't get wasted on a regular basis. LOL

I'm hoping this works out because I'm planning a trip with friends and I want to knock their socks off. :D

mobyone

02-18-2008, 06:48 PM

Ok, well, here's where I'm at so far. I decided not to use the crockpot because the temperature fluctuated too much. I even went out and bought a second oven thermometer to be sure that the first one wasn't malfunctioning. I decided to use the oven instead since the temperature is constant.

I did some experimenting before actually cooking. Here's what I found.

1) When SET at 270F, the actual oven temperature is 250F.

2) When the actual oven temp is 275F, a half cup of coconut oil is 190F.

3) When the actual oven temp is 275F, two teaspoons of coconut oil is 225F.

Based on these measurements, I decided to cook at 275F, meaning that the oil would be only 225F. Seemingly just barely in the correct range.

I started with 3/4 of a teaspoon of weed and the same amount of oil, which seemed like too much oil, but I went with a 1:1 ratio.

Soon after adding the weed to the pre-heated oil, there was a relatively strong smell of weed when I opened the oven door. This spooked me and from there my experiment kinda fell apart.

I decided to lower the actual oven temperature to 250F (meaning the oil is now probably like 200F) since this was the initial recommendation. I also added another 3/4 teaspoon of weed (thinking that I might have burnt off the initial weed) and another 1/2 teaspoon of oil which seemed like a better weed to oil ratio after doubling the weed.

So, at this point, I've got 1.5 teaspoons of weed and 1.25 teaspoons of oil, cooking at 250F oven temp and ~200F oil temp.

The first dose of weed cooked for 30 minutes at the higher temperature. After lowering the temp and adding more weed and oil, I cooked for another 2.5 hours.

The result seemed a bit heavy on the weed. There really wasn't much free standing oil as you'll see in a pic I'll post later. Most of the oil was sucked up by the weed.

I divided this into 12 equal portions and filled one gel cap full of oil/weed. I could only find size 1 gel caps, so that's what I'm using. I ate lunch at 3pm and took the gel cap at 5:30pm with basically no results whatsoever. If anything, I felt a little bit out of sorts and irritated, but not because it didn't work. I just sort of felt like I didn't want to talk to anyone.

The amount of weed I cooked is enough to get 5 people wasted using a vaporizer. So, it should take 2.4 gel caps to get to the same point. However, if I had vaped the same amount that was in one gel cap, it would have given me a very, very nice buzz for a least an hour or two.

So, today, I've eaten lunch at 11:30am and I'm taking two gel caps at 3:00pm. I'll report the results tomorrow.

If two don't work, something is definitely wrong and I'll go back to the drawing board. The only thing I can really think to change at this point is the following:

1) Increase the amount of oil to be 1:1 or 1:1.5 heavy on oil

2) Cook longer.

3) Put the measured oven temperature up around 300F, which would put the oil temp around 250F and just ignore the weed smell and see what happens.

The problem is that I don't have the time to try a lot of different iterations. I'd like to just get it right and stick with it. We'll see what happens...

Things to note:

1) My oil color is still yellow.
2) The oil temp is about 50 degrees lower than the oven temp, but it varies with the amount of oil. The more oil, the lower the temp compared to the oven.
3) Somewhat strong smell with the oven at 275F.

I'm also thinking to try just simmering a small amount of oil and weed on the stove top just to see what happens. Too many experiments, not enough time.

bogoljub777

02-19-2008, 02:52 AM

how are you.

um... i read the post right above me, and i wanted to say that its ok if you smell weed while cooking. it would be impossible to burn the weed up, as long as you have a transfer medium in physical contact with the weed.

yes.... if you just heat weed, without inhaling the smoke/vapors...... it will dissipate. but if you have the transfer medium physically touching the weed...... the thc will dissipate inot the medium.

i therorize that high heat is the best, because high heat causes rapid thc release, and it releases into your medium. in this case, cooking oil.

dont be afraid to go too high on the heat. as far as i know, you cant go too high on heat as long as you have the transfer medium right there.

let me know out there if anyone has gone too high on heat and been disapointed. as far as i know, the dissapointment comes from too low heat, not too high.

spector

02-19-2008, 03:49 AM

:( So my first attempt worked amazingly, but every try after that has failed. Here is what I did, I replaced butter with coconut oil and found larger capsules. I also got a new slow cooker. This means that there are a lot of new variables. My first set of pills achieved the desired results but all of the attempts with coconut produced nothing …..No buzz, no high, nothing. Coconut oil seems to simmer at a higher temp but I’m not sure what would happen if I just simmer it on the stove top in a small frying pan. Is it better to have more or less heat and if the bud is browned after cooking dose that mean its no good? Id appreciate any answers.

Flameon

02-19-2008, 11:07 AM

Soon after adding the weed to the pre-heated oil, there was a relatively strong smell of weed when I opened the oven door. This spooked me and from there my experiment kinda fell apart.

Hi again mobyone

A couple of things occurred to me after reading your post, but the main concern I would think is the weed smell.

In the majority of cases, most people have only been measuring and reporting the 'ambient' temperature seen 'inside' the crock pot/oven, not the actual temperature of the oil/butter, therefore, it's difficult to be certain with any degree of absolute accuracy as to how much the variance between these two temperatures is the norm.

However, I'm tempted to suggest two courses of action that I think will address the issues:

Firstly, the weed to oil ratio you describe sounds a little light on oil.

The result seemed a bit heavy on the weed. There really wasn't much free standing oil

The amount of oil needed to successfully dissolve the THC will alter slightly depending on the weed used (how well dried and cured it is etc). Some will 'soak' up more oil than others, therefore you may need to 'top up' the oil in order to achieve at least a 50/50 split. Don't worry if you have slightly more oil than weed, that's fine. Too little oil, and you run the risk of not extracting enough THC.
In the same way that adding more than half a cup of sugar to less than half a cup of water would make it difficult to dissolve all the sugar.

For your next iteration, go with the lower heat, and make a single batch. Fill and set half the mixture in capsules (leave the other half in its container), if you're not satisfied with the potency you can re-heat the remaining mixture at a slightly higher temp and then compare results.

I'm more than confident you'll find a way to crack the technique, as clearly you've done your homework and really understand the principals involved.

Good work and thanks for keeping us updated.

i therorize that high heat is the best, because high heat causes rapid thc release, and it releases into your medium. in this case, cooking oil.

dont be afraid to go too high on the heat. as far as i know, you cant go too high on heat as long as you have the transfer medium right there.

Sighs. Talking about 'doing your homework and understanding the principals'.

Bogoljub, If you've returned from your recent month long ban with the intention of making a useful contribution to the site and it's forums, then welcome back.
However, if you're just posting on this thread as a provocation or to re-start your vendetta against me, I'd rather you didn't.

To give you the benefit of the doubt, in order to understand what mobyone is talking about (rather than reading and replying to just one post), you'd need to spend a little time trying to understand what it is that we're trying to achieve in this method and the techniques involved.

In order to do that you'll need to read through the thread and understand the differences between: the 'low' and 'high' settings on a crock pot (and how they vary depending on make and size), the differences between temperatures in Celsius and Fahrenheit, and what the difference actually is between a 'low' and 'high' temperature as far as cooking is concerned.

You''ll find it easier to offer advice to people once you've had first-hand experience in preparing and making your own capsules.
Good luck.

So my first attempt worked amazingly, but every try after that has failed. Here is what I did, I replaced butter with coconut oil and found larger capsules. I also got a new slow cooker. This means that there are a lot of new variables.

Hi again spector, how's it going?

The easy answer I guess would be to suggest going back to how you did it the first time. 'If it ain't broke. . .' etc
However, if you're after a slightly more scientific answer, I'm thinking (given what you've already said) that the crock pot is your biggest change (i.e. how much temperature is being applied).
Can you remember what setting it was on and for how long etc, also, the quantities used: oil and weed?

As a (wild) guess, I suspect it may have been running at too high a temperature (was it set on high?). Although it's not uncommon for the weed to turn brown during cooking, normally the oil itself is a pretty dark green-ish colour when done.

Once we sort out the differences between the two methods you've tried you'll be on to a sure-fire winner, especially given you've now got coconut oil and the bigger sized caps.

Good work :thumbsup:

buttyrekka

02-19-2008, 05:20 PM

cheers flameon for a top post!.
i made these using hash of my last northern lights crop(which was made with the CWE technique),the resulting caps were very potent and well worth the effort.
does anyone know whether different strains result in different highs?.also i'm sure that using a better grade of hash results in a higher potency in the caps(i used A grade the finest i made),maybe explaining the lacklustre results others posters have reported.

EmoRebellion

02-19-2008, 07:55 PM

Great thread, I just have a couple questions. I just ordered my capsules (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000JN48UQ) and coconut oil (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00014IVPQ) from amazon. Did I get the right stuff?

I can just stick a ceramic coffee mug inside of my crock pot, and use that? Will that still transfer all the heat correctly? Should I use the 'low' or 'warm' setting? I dont want to over/under cook my stuff..

Thanks again!

MVP

02-20-2008, 02:20 AM

Great thread, I just have a couple questions. I just ordered my capsules (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000JN48UQ) and coconut oil (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00014IVPQ) from amazon. Did I get the right stuff?

Looks fine to me, I have used similar stuff with amazing results, just different brand names.....

mobyone

02-20-2008, 06:50 PM

Ok, so the first time I took one gel cap and nothing happened. The next time I at two and then 1 hour and 20 minutes later I ate another one. I had a pleasant but very mild high for about 5 hours. A bit disappointing considering that the same amount in my vaporizer would have made me go hide in a corner somewhere LOL.

Anyway, one thing I found out is that my gel caps (size 1) are 1/2 the size of what most people are using (size 00). So, two for me is like one for you.

I decided to take what I had left and cook it again in the crockpot for 4 hours. The crockpot is in my garage where it is very cold, but the temp still gets up around 300 for the last few hours. I haven't been able to check the results yet, but I will. I added a bit more oil and I'm hoping to see an improvement in the results. The tell tale sign for me will be if the oil changes from green to yellow (good) or yellow to brown (bad).

Either way, I'm taking two the first time to see if cooking at a higher temp for longer makes an appreciable difference. After that I'll try 4.

It's amazing the amount of contradictory recipes and stories you find on the net. I've seen time/temp/quantity variances all over the place. It's crazy. I guess you just have to experiment for yourself.

EmoRebellion

02-20-2008, 06:55 PM

Unfortunately, every "experiment" costs $60, depending on what you are using.

Chrono420

02-22-2008, 01:55 AM

I'm doing this for the first time with hash and curious how long i should let it go compared to using bud. Also how much residue should there be at the bottom or should most of it dissolve and there shouldn't be a lot of residue.

SnSstealth

02-22-2008, 03:39 AM

i just got 7 grams of morroccan hash in a coin that has arabic writing stamped into it!!! smoked some and got an AMAZING body high that had a very light headed feeling too...sounds like a PERFECT specimen for cannacaps huh;)
let yall know tomorrow...if i can type
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

Flameon

02-22-2008, 07:00 AM

I decided to take what I had left and cook it again in the crockpot for 4 hours. The crockpot is in my garage where it is very cold, but the temp still gets up around 300 for the last few hours. I haven't been able to check the results yet, but I will. I added a bit more oil and I'm hoping to see an improvement in the results. The tell tale sign for me will be if the oil changes from green to yellow (good) or yellow to brown (bad).

Hi Moby
I hope your having a bit better luck with your capsules now. I'm still a little apprehensive as cooking for an additional 4 hours (on top of the original time), seems like it could be too long to me, especially if your crock pot is hitting 300 degrees. However, as you say, the process tends to require a bit of experimentation to nail down what works for you depending on the equipment you're using.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you.
Two last Q's, seeing as you were using much smaller caps, what sort of numbers were you getting out of each batch?
Also, why are you wanting the oil to be 'yellow' instead of 'green', or have I misunderstood?

Unfortunately, every "experiment" costs $60, depending on what you are using.

Wow Emo, if you're paying $60 for a couple of grams you either need to give your dealer the boot or think about growing your own. If you want to keep the cost to minimum (at least until you're confident about the results), you can try making it using just half a gram and a level teaspoon of oil. Less than $7 or $8 surely?
Anyhow, to come back to your earlier Q's, your caps and oil look good to me, the cup should be fine, and I'd go with the 'low' setting first to see how you get on.

I'm doing this for the first time with hash and curious how long i should let it go compared to using bud. Also how much residue should there be at the bottom or should most of it dissolve and there shouldn't be a lot of residue.

Typically, when I'm using hash I only cook it for about an hour, or an hour and a half (it doesn't need to be 'broken down' to the same degree that 'raw' plant material does). As for residue (depending on the construction method, and contents of the hash), you'll end up with a kind of brown sludge/mud that settles at the bottom of your cup. I usually give it a stir before dividing it into the caps. N.B. use every last bit in the caps.

i just got 7 grams of morroccan hash in a coin that has arabic writing stamped into it!!! smoked some and got an AMAZING body high that had a very light headed feeling too...sounds like a PERFECT specimen for cannacaps huh;)
let yall know tomorrow...if i can type
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

Boy am I jealous. Last year I made some using a real strong Dutch 'nederhash' (moonshine), that sent me into 'shamanic hippie land' for 16 hours straight. Was expensive, but nothing else (so far) has been quite so explosive.

Good luck, I'm very envious.
:jointsmile:

northerngrower

02-22-2008, 01:34 PM

hey this is one of the best guides that i have seen here so far. it is very in depth and i wanna do it now kudos:thumbsup:

mobyone

02-22-2008, 01:57 PM

Also, why are you wanting the oil to be 'yellow' instead of 'green', or have I misunderstood?

I was only noting that the oil color was still yellow. I want it to be green as others have noted. So, the oil did turn greenish brown and I tried one cap which actually had an affect when 1 cap before didn't have an affect. I will try 2+ caps soon.

buttyrekka

02-22-2008, 06:28 PM

"sent me into 'shamanic hippie land' for 16 hours straight" i thought that it was just me! mine was very introspective,i sat there watching deal or no deal and richard and judy thinking how profound and what spirtual depth they posessed,then spent another couple of hours contemplating the meaning of life;-)

smokey91

02-23-2008, 12:03 AM

The essential cookery â??Equipmentâ??:

1. A Slow Cooker (see the first picture). Also known as a â??Crock Potâ?? in the States.

Or:

A medium sized pan, a mixing bowl and a lid (see the second picture), and some hot water.

2. A quantity of size 00 Gelatine Capsules. They can be bought from some pharmacies, health food shops or online in quantities of 100+ (see third picture).

3. A teaspoon (hopefully everyone will have one of these).

The essential cookery â??Ingredientsâ??:

Either: 1 gram of good Hashish (not soap bar).
Or: 1 gram of fine grained â??keifâ??.
Or: 1.5 grams of good â??Budâ?? (no stems, no seeds, or pointy leaves).

And: 7 grams (one and a half teaspoons) of Coconut oil or clarified butter*.

The optional cookery items:

A capsule holder to help when filling (see part 3).
A syringe or pipette to fill the caps with a measured dose of oil (see part 3).
A set of accurate measuring spoons (see part 3).

OK, assuming youâ??ve got access to a â??crock potâ?? (or a least a pan and a mixing bowl), and a little â??weedâ??, what else is required?

The other main essential items are the capsules to put your activated mixture in, and (possibly) a few other extras to help in the measuring and filling process, and thatâ??s it.

Instead of buying those capsule things can i just empty like a ADD medication capsule and fill it up?

DudemeisteR420

02-23-2008, 07:54 PM

what do you think would happen if you used the oil to make brownies or something like that?
sorry if this has already been mentioned, i just dont have time to read all of the pages right now

jdf121

02-24-2008, 10:51 AM

If you had all 12 capsules in your hands when the cops came......you'd be busted with a handful of coconut oil and 1.5 grams of bud. That's all you have ....that's all they can do. ;)

This isn't exactly true. The law states that when determining the weight of the 'marijuana substance', it is the total of the smokable portion of marijuana (THC) and any other combined substances. (Eg. You get caught with weed. They weigh the whole bud including stems and seeds, which aren't smoked.)

But im not sure about the caps. It would probably be one of the situations where the court will have to determine the action and not just use stare decisis.

Weedhound

02-24-2008, 06:53 PM

Unless you have a nice stem or whatever in your capsules you've still only got 1.5 grams of weed so I'm not sure what you are saying there......

If what you mean is that the OIL is now illegal because it's got THC in it.....that might be something to think about.

Thanks for the tip. ;)

jdf121

02-24-2008, 08:26 PM

Exactly right. From how the law states in most US States, the oil would be illegal now. But since this would probably be different than any other case the judge has determined, he will probably have to either hold up the idea that the oil is illegal (stare decisis) or make a different ruling. The problem is, that the oil will probably be included in the weight because there is no way to determine how much weed you actually put in them. (They won't just take your word on it).

Weedhound

02-24-2008, 09:11 PM

Well you make a very good point...starts me to wondering if they would call it some sort of "hash oil" or something. I DO see what you mean about weighing the oil (and the capsule itself) as part of the process since they normally DO include stems and such in weight.

You say a judge would have to decide. Do you happen to know if the police could CHARGE you with something else (possession of hash oil) or just possession of mj or could they decide pretty much whatever they wanted as far as the original charges go?

Weedhound

02-24-2008, 09:23 PM

Bogo....

I used to follow a recipe for cannabis cooking that inlcluded instructions to cook the ganja at approx 350-375F. I can tell you EASILY from personal experience that cooking over 300F caused me BIG issues in burning off thc. High heat certainly did destroy some of the thc because I NEVER made capsules as anywhere near as strong as the ones I make now. The difference......I now cook only on low heat and monitor my temps carefully. I recommend between 200-250F just from my own experiences in cooking. :thumbsup:

Chryp2nite

02-25-2008, 09:13 AM

Very fucking cool !!! The thought of tasting that clarified butter as it cooks, has my mouth watering. I can hardly wait. Thanks!

UnTouched

02-25-2008, 10:17 AM

Ok first let me say i have read every post in this thread.
I am a Certified Exec Chef at a Widely recognized Hotel in the #1 tourist destination in the world.
I have a degree in culinary Arts and a Minor in Nutrition as well i am a avid smoker of cannibus. Until recently when i came across this thread. :D
Now I used my own knowledge as well as your original recipe(FLAME & HOUND) as a guide. I decide anything worth doing is worth investing a little cash and doing right. ( i went through some trial and errors)

Eventually we decided on a digital crock pot with a tempurature control.

Inside and this is where most of you a getting variances. . . is what your putting inside the crock pot to hold you oil and cannibus powder. I hear some of you using coffee cups okay but what is the coffee cup made out of?
ceramic has a higher heat threshhold then say phaftzgraft. As well the surface area of the bottem of the cup plays a roll in heating times and simmer times.

From Culinary Knowledge i'd say use something highly heat conductive like aluminium, and make the cooking surface area as large as possible depending on how much your cooking off. This will heat up to temp faster and produce less time to get the desired effect. Before warned that speeding the time requires a more close eye to be kept on your product as well.

I also used the idea for the gardening foam to use a mold for the capsules (whoever posted that great idea and a steal at 2.50 each )
Being the nutrionists i found a organic store that had extra virgin 100% organic coconut oil. (unbeatable i think) The saturated fat will even help break down extra surgar that is ingested which would lead to less chanch of diabeties, obesity, liver disfunction ect.
If your after the killer buzz because the stomach is more active during exercise the best time to take these to make for quicker release would be to take them just before working out. It will speed your metabilism and break down the capsules even faster.

about the 5th batch i made i found my magic temperature for the tray i was using in the crock pot.
Now that the method was secured it was time to see how valuable this product would be.

Flameon i don't think you expected this but i'm sure deep down you knew some capitolist entrepenure would put your idea to good use. :D

Well we took hounds 1/8 recipe and did a x128 yield basically 1lb of cannibus. It yielded approx 3200 capsules :cool:the capsules that were sold at a Lincoln Park Concert in the Parking lot for $3 US each. . . Sold Out in 3 hours:pimp: (they were tested for potency prior to sale). :rasta:
so $9600 US

Supplies-
- 4000 - cannibus
- 75 - digitil crock pot
- 20 - thermometers
- 35 - 2foot (hand held pepper mill tighten for fine grind)i found this to be way better then grinders)
- 42 - capsules
- 10 - gardening trays/ metal scraper
- 22 - coconut oil
----------
- 4204

9600 - 4204 = net profit 1 weekend = $5396.00 US

Flame/Hound if i ever meet you i owe you big time!!

mobyone

02-25-2008, 05:31 PM

Great, so do you care to tell us your temps, methods etc...?

Opie Yutts

02-25-2008, 08:57 PM

Flameon,

Thank you very much. Seems like forever ago since I begged for this tutorial, and I'm just now getting around to reading it. I guess I just now am in a position to do something about it. Very well done, and I can't wait to try. Thanks again and... hey whadda you know? I'm actually able to rep someone for once.

tenag,

The others are right about eating weed as opposed to smoking. It is completely different in my book. Much better actually. Crisper and cleaner or something, and definitely stronger, and most definitely longer.

Opie Yutts

02-25-2008, 08:58 PM

Oh crap. There's 15 pages?

EmoRebellion

02-25-2008, 10:13 PM

I got my capsules last night, but am still waiting on the oil. While messing around I decided to inject a little water inside of one of the pills. After about 10 mins, the pill started to disintegrate. Did I get the wrong type of capsule, or will this not happen with the oil inside?

Weedhound

02-25-2008, 10:22 PM

emo...let me try it with one of mine.....what kind are yours? Gelatin or vegetable oil?

hellohello1891

02-25-2008, 10:34 PM

anyone know if it will work with walnut oil? thanks

UnTouched

02-25-2008, 11:53 PM

Great, so do you care to tell us your temps, methods etc...?

Certainly mobyone i used a aluminium lid from a cookie tin instead of the coffee cup this tin lid was circle and 6 inches in diameter.

i heated the crock pot to to 285F on the digital reader although inside thermometer temp was 290F. Then put the lid in and within say 60 seconds the tray was up to temp as well. Add your oil approx. 5min till oil was to temp then added the herb and slow cooked it. After the first batch its even faster because the pot and tray are near temp already. us a rubber spatula to remove everything from the tray quickly.

we cooked each batch 2h 45 min each.
Immediately dumped into a Tupperware Container
(FYI Tupperware has 100% replacement offer so anything gets ruined i can get it Replaced for FREE) here's a link to a consultants website i know [URL="http://www.My.Tupperware.com/ThomasR"]

then we took the foam garndening trays with a 1/2 capsule in each hole. Filled each capsule 1/2 with semi hard oil from freezer with a cake decorating pipette.
We filled both 1/2's then pushed the foam pieces together closing the capsules. Some of the oil squirts out like playdough from over filling. ( but not enough to make me use a different method when mass producing)
We then took a metal scraper and scrapped the remaining excess.

all the Medication was stored in those HEat-N- serve dishes( there designed to go from your oven to , freezer, fridge, reheat, served, and dishwashed.
FYI i walked right past a police K-9 unit at the concert and it wasn't alerted in the least bit, i even reached out to pet him and his master was like please don't touch him he's working. I smirked and thought to myself "YEah Right, that what you think! That dog is just benine to todays technology "

to take it to the concert we just stuck them in the cooler in vitamin bottles like protein tablet for lifting weights.

EmoRebellion

02-26-2008, 12:32 AM

emo...let me try it with one of mine.....what kind are yours? Gelatin or vegetable oil?

They are supposed to be gelatin. These are what I ordered: Amazon.com: Double '00' Gelatin Caps by NOW Foods - (250 Capsules): Health & Personal Care (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000JN48UQ)

inf4my

02-26-2008, 12:45 AM

The caps will disolve in water not oil..put a capsule in ur mouth and after a while take it out and it will be much softer.

Weedhound

02-26-2008, 12:47 AM

Hey emo, I have both kinds....gelatin and veg oil.....my gelatin ones melted right away in water but the veg-oil ones didn't.

PS....I have used both kinds (and still do) and haven't had any problems with them melting. I would make sure to keep your caps in the fridge to solidify the oil as well. But I can honestly say I don't even worry about what kind I am buying.....they both work fine for me. ;)

jdf121

02-26-2008, 05:18 AM

I am making some right now. Got 30 min left. I made it with reggie. Used about 3 grams 1 1/2 t spoons of oil. I wanted to work out kinks with cheaper weed first. Ill let u know how it goes when it take em tomorrow. I also used a metal container ( a jigger) to put it in. see how that works too.

Oh, weedhound. I don't know what the cop could charge you with. Probably marijuana substance. Dunno about calling it hash oil. dunno if that carries a stronger sentence.

murktinez

02-26-2008, 05:30 AM

cooking up a batch at the moment :thumbsup:

about an hour left. 1.5 grams of extermly fine bud (looks and smokes like keif). temps are between 180-220F. im using high mids. this stuff is actually good for mids. one bowl does me fine and ive been smoking for 10+ years.

i plan on doubling up the pills. so 1 = 2. i'll let you guys know tomorrow how they turn out.

Hippiesmoke

02-26-2008, 10:41 PM

This was a great, deatailed guide. I will definitaly give it a try sometime....

EmoRebellion

02-26-2008, 11:12 PM

What about using a shot glass inside of the crock pot? I think that would be the easiest to get the contents out of. The only thing im worried about is the thich glass and transfer of heat. Hm...

Weedhound

02-26-2008, 11:22 PM

That's why I like the idea of some sort of glass or ceramic that's MADE to hold hot things...like a coffee cup, soup bowl etc....;)

MVP

02-26-2008, 11:44 PM

I use a ceramic coffee cup for smaller batches, or a 8 oz Pyrex measuring cup for larger ones...

JimmyD

02-27-2008, 07:38 AM

How much BTHO (butane honey oil) would one use for the equivalent recipe for 12 capsules? I am in a rather fortunate situation where it is currently the cheapest THC source.

EmoRebellion

02-27-2008, 09:43 PM

Im going to guess and go with 1gram.

Flameon

02-28-2008, 04:18 PM

Flame/Hound if i ever meet you i owe you big time!!

Ha ha, I'll be in Florida at the back end of the year (Miami - south beach baby!), just drop off an envelope stuffed with cash at my hotel lol (I'll settle for a handful of caps instead though).
Glad you . . ahem . . found the guide useful :jointsmile:

EmoRebellion

02-28-2008, 06:55 PM

Well the fucking bastards at UPS decided they wanted to play soccer with my package all the way to my front door. Needless to say, my coconut oil arrived smashed to shit. I called the Vitamin Shoppe (who I guess amazon placed my order through), and they sent me out a replacement right away, I dont even have to send the old stuff back! Great service, IMHO. They told me I can use the stuff if I can, or just toss it out.

I may try to melt the oil and separate the glass with a strainer, so I can try to make some this weekend. I doubt my replacement will be here in time. Am I in for a world of hurt after I swallow some glass fragments that will probably make it through? :pimp:

Opie Yutts

02-28-2008, 08:34 PM

I'm not so sure I'd try that. I think no matter how careful you are you could get microscopic glass fragments in your digestive system. That might be somewhat unpleasant to say the least, but yes, you probably would survive, and maybe even recover.

Folks, one of the many reasons I like to buy stuff in real stores and pay a little extra.

Weedhound

02-28-2008, 08:50 PM

Boy do I agree with opie on that one. Is there a trader joes or something around? Health food store may have it. You CAN use olive oil (I used to) but that stuff stays gooey in the capsules and eventually leaks out. How about clarified butter?

EmoRebellion

02-28-2008, 10:46 PM

Meh, quite frankly, Im a lazy stoner.. I would actually rather eat some glass fragments than attempt to make some clarified butter.

Besides, Ive got a plan.. :thumbsup: The oil was pretty solidified on what was left of the jar when I opened the box, and all the glass was pretty much stuck to the outside of this cylinder. In theory, I should be able to cut away the outside layer, and scoop out some of the middle. Then I can melt that down and filter it for glass. Im sure ive swallowed worse than whatever makes it through.. :smokin:

Also, trader joes is a little drive for me, and I couldnt find the stuff last time I was there. I suppose I could just wait... :wtf:

WhiteWindica

02-29-2008, 09:57 PM

Hey I have a question, too many pages, dunno if it's been answered but I have a kitchen stove. So you suggest I put my dial on "low" for 2 hours? I'm using bud. The temp and the setting of my heat is the only thing i'm not sure about right now.

EmoRebellion

02-29-2008, 11:59 PM

jdf121

03-01-2008, 09:56 AM

I got my oil at Kroger in the Organic section. Try there if u have one.

robbyg

03-01-2008, 02:33 PM

Great thread to everyone involved! Special thanks to Flame!

I read pages 1 - 9 then skipped to 15 so forgive me if somebody already went over this.

I have two questions:

1. Has anybody experimented with using the left overs from a vaporizer? Afaik people successfully use this leftover in a brownie or even rolled in a joint.

2. Is there a significant difference in grinding herb to a powder using a coffee grinder as opposed to putting it through the traditional herb grinder that you twist twist by hand? I could see where a 'fine' powder can be more effective but is it essential for maximum results?

Keep up the great work guys.

simplesmok

03-01-2008, 02:47 PM

robbyg

03-01-2008, 02:52 PM

Someone has tried with vaporizer left overs. If I remember correctly it didn't work but I could be wrong.

For the past couple months I've been grinding my bud with a traditional herb grinder and then chopping it with a knife to get it as fine as I could. I recently went out and bought a coffee grinder and I think it made a huge difference. My normal batches I need 3 caps for a full stone. The batch using the coffee grinder 2 caps had me wandering around town on an adventure straight out of the movies. Three had me glued to my chair, and was wayyyyyy strong, a little too strong at that. I used the same bag of bud for both batches.

And this folks, is why I love the intraweb! Thanks dude. I guess I will go out and buy one. I always got a feeling I would "lose" my herb to the insides of the grinder ha ha ha. Kind of silly but I just didn't like all noise etc but I guess its pretty clear, this is the way to go.

Thanks. I wonder, what about vaporizing herb ground in a coffee grinder.. hmm...

Weedhound

03-01-2008, 07:06 PM

I just use my regular strainer and get very nicely ground herb as long as the bud is nice and dry when i "strain" it.

Bloooo

03-01-2008, 07:26 PM

EXCELLENT! :thumbsup: This is a dream come true. I always knew this would be a great idea and was sure someone had done it before. I just didn't realize it was something I could do at home myself. I just envisioned some complicated laboratory and rubber gloves and shit. hahaha

If it hasn't been mentioned, I'd like to add that if you're using plain grass, a coffee grinder will grind it into a super fine powder super fast.

:smokin:

Trip06

03-01-2008, 08:48 PM

Im so trying this, I agree eating thc is way more worth your money. Its not like just being stoned, Its like being thrown in to a tornado of rollercoasters. Its a a "trip" plain and simple.

Opie Yutts

03-01-2008, 09:16 PM

Sometimes.

vileoxidation

03-02-2008, 02:38 AM

Hello there, everyone. First, thank you to Flameon and Weedhound for your continued assistance with this recipe!

Second, I have a few questions, mainly about the frothing. Is this a necessary part of the process? If I am not seeing any frothing, I assume that I need to increase the temp - is that assumption correct?

We made a batch yesterday, which brought on a slight body-stone, but not much else. We didn't know it was supposed to froth, and we didn't see any of that. We also didn't grind it as finely, but it wasn't a huge change today with the coffee grinder.

So we are trying again today, with about 1.5 g's of pretty high-grade buds, ground up with a coffee grinder, and cooked in a crockpot. We are using a coffee cup and coconut oil, about 3-3.5 tsp. Right now, we have been cooking it for about an hour and a half, and still have not seen any froth.

Is there anything that we could be doing entirely wrong? Is froth important?

Again, thanks for this recipe and your continued help with it! :D

Weedhound

03-02-2008, 02:58 AM

I don't know about froth.....but what are your temps? Usually i've found that if the pills take FOREVER to kick in and are more of a body stone that hangs on for HOURS plus a lack of potency then usually I didn't get enough heat to the mixture.

PS....For me......signs of overheating: Kicks in fast but high doesn't last, lack of potency, wears off very quickly.

vileoxidation

03-02-2008, 03:04 AM

Have you ever had froth, Weedhound? I hadn't seen anything about it in the thread that you started, so I was also wondering about that.

Right now, it is at 266, but that is the highest that it has gotten yet. It has been sitting around 225-240 for most of the time, which is about two hours now.

Weedhound

03-02-2008, 03:13 AM

Are you cooking alot or just a gram or so? If you have extra maybe scoop a touch out and try it (AFTER it cools) if you want to let the rest cook longer. That will give you a test one. :D

In talking with Opie I'm leaning more towards temps between 225-275 but I agree with Flame that it's an individual thing for most people.

Almost forgot.....sometimes a little froth at higher temps but not always and I myself don't consider froth something important to the recipe. ;)

vileoxidation

03-02-2008, 03:25 AM

We are only cooking about a two grams right now. It is pretty much liquid, with hardly any residue at the bottom (at least that we can feel when we sitr it). It's got a nice dark green color right now, pretty inky looking, and when we checked the temp it was at 244. We turned it up to high, from low (only two settings), and are planning on letting it sit for another forty minutes or so.

My boyfriend has a question that he wants me to ask you. We smoke about 3.5-4 grams a day between the two of us, throughout the whole day about evenly spread out. He was wondering, in comparison to your average use, how much you think we should feel from an average dose.

On that note, we are using single '0' capsules, so we realize that we need to increase the dosage due to the size difference. We tried three last night and then four this morning (of the first batch, obviously). We are pretty sure no less then three will be required.

Weedhound

03-02-2008, 03:30 AM

Thats about how much I was using before going to the capsules (eating in cookies.) I'd go for 2-3 of the 00 sized capsules but I couldn't say of the straight 0 size.

PS...don't drive! :wtf: :)

Weedhound

03-02-2008, 03:32 AM

You saying its mostly liquid...hmm.....should be more along a 50/50 split....otherwise you'll need more caps to make up for the extra oil.

vileoxidation

03-02-2008, 03:35 AM

PS...don't drive! :wtf: :)

Heh, I hope they turn out that good... :stoned:

He has another question...I hope its not too many! :D

Since they take about an hour and a half to kick in, we have been smoking 2-3 bowls right after taking them. Do you think we should stop doing that to notice their effectiveness? For both of us, our high has usually worn off an hour or two later anyway, so we didn't know how much it would matter.

Thanks for all your help!! :)

Weedhound

03-02-2008, 03:40 AM

I'm not really sure what to tell you about that. I honestly have never had a problem telling between an "eating" high and a "smoking" high. To me they are pretty different so I smoke while waiting for the high to kick in but I'm not sure I would if you are trying to test the effectiveness of the capsules. Otherwise.....heck yeah! That's what its for right?

Also....once the pills kick into effect....I tend to simply forget to take a toke or two because I'm already where I want to be so I end up not smoking after awhile anyway. Does that make sense? :stoned:

vileoxidation

03-02-2008, 03:47 AM

Yeah - neither of us have eaten it before, so we aren't exactly sure what to expect when it does work right. We are thinking this time we won't smoke before, but we don't know if we should test them tonight.... we've got 4.5-5.5 hours till bed. We want to so badly, but *I* don't know if its worth it. !!! :stoned:

Weedhound

03-02-2008, 03:50 AM

Lol, they are ALWAYS worth it. ;) Once you get your recipe down you'll start saving alot in the amount of ganja you use. :thumbsup: (this has been an unexpected side effect that I LOVE.) I say pop a few and check out a funny movie....they're TOTALLY hilarious when stoned.

vileoxidation

03-02-2008, 03:56 AM

Heh, alright. :thumbsup: I'll update with results...probably tomorrow morning though...lol.

And - thanks again!:)

vileoxidation

03-02-2008, 04:03 AM

You saying its mostly liquid...hmm.....should be more along a 50/50 split....otherwise you'll need more caps to make up for the extra oil.

Should we add more weed and just cook it for longer? Will that hurt what we have done already?

vileoxidation

03-02-2008, 04:06 AM

We just looked at it more closely, and it has some paste at the bottom, and a good amount of oil at the top. We took it out of the crockpot for now. Advice?

Weedhound

03-02-2008, 04:12 AM

If you've done two hours at the correct temp you probably have it cooked pretty well. I'd try them as is....you may need more capsules to accomplish the same thing.

You COULD add more weed....but then I'd say you should cook for another two hours which would be a total of four.

I'd go for them as is. :jointsmile:

vileoxidation

03-02-2008, 04:36 AM

We had way too much liquid, and the boyfriend thought it would be hard to get it to stay in the pills, especially since we had problems with them leaking yesterday (any ideas about that?). So we added another .5 g, and are cooking it for two more hours. We will fill them tonight and try them out tomorrow morning, is what it's looking like.

It's still only about 50/50 oil/weed now, but I'm guessing (hoping) the extra time simmering will help extract a bit more...here goes nothing! (Again!) :) :D

Weedhound

03-02-2008, 05:23 AM

I had about 50 of those "here goes nothings" but it's most likely a better idea. There's a pic in my thread that shows a bowl of the stuff cooked pretty well. The weed is saturated and with a few extra pockets of oil....that's plenty imo.

What kind of oil are you using?

lunarose

03-02-2008, 05:34 AM

> Hi All,
>
> I have been following this thread and its great. I
> usually make a month's worth of capsules at a time so
> I work with two ounces at a time. My last batch which
> turned out to be my most potent was made with some
> inexpensive Sweet Tooth. It does make a difference in
> how fine of a powder you grind it into I use a clean
> make up brush to get every last bit out of the coffee
> grinder. I prefer to use olive oil to coconut oil
> because when you make a larger batch of capsules it
> tends to solidify before you are done making it more
> difficult to work with. I use my oven as a heat source
> preheated to between 250-275F. I mix the powder into
> an mason jar and add oil about 7 tablespoons for the
> two ounces. You want all the powder to be fully
> saturated so its a paste that's on the liquid side.
> Following Flameon's advice about longer cooking times
> I baked this latest batch for two hours and then
> allowed the jar to sit and cool in the oven so that
> probably made the cooking time to somewhere between 2
> 1/2-3 hours. I use a capsule filling machine that I
> bought on amazon and use 00 capsules. My previous
> attempts took 2-3 capsules to be effective with this
> batch one is enough that added cooking time really
> made a difference.
>
> Someone in the thread mentioned something about boiling in oil. Bad
> idea. Most oils don't boil until they reach very high
> temps olive oil as an example doesn't boil until it
> reaches 575F flash point is only 25 degrees hotter not
> to mention that its starts smoking at close to 400
> which is also too hot you would need to monitor the temp
> constantly.
>
> Someone else commented that the oil mixture does not
> get to the oven temperature when you use it instead of
> a crock pot it does and will if you cook it long
> enough.
>
> I store mine in the freezer it would probably be fine
> in the fridge or at room temperature for a day
> or two but since this is a month's worth I feel it is
> safer to keep in the freezer.
Sharon

Snorbel

03-02-2008, 05:34 AM

Well, this topic is on fire. You may remember me from the middle of this thread. I wanted to thank you for letting me share your recipe.

You can find it at Welcome to Expand Reality (http://expandreality.info/) under "Preparation Teks"

vileoxidation

03-02-2008, 05:49 AM

Coconut oil, the organic kind from a health food store. It's probably still too heavy on the oil, so I am kind of worried about it leaking out of the capsules again. Have you experienced that at all? Anyone else have this problem?

Weedhound

03-02-2008, 06:00 AM

Weedhound

03-02-2008, 06:01 AM

If it's the stuff i'm thinking of....solid right? Soft texture but solid.....it should return to that state when it cools. Put them in the fridge.....it should harden the coconut oil so that it doesn't leak. Make sure you wait until it's cool enough in the first place before you try to put it into the capsules.

Weedhound

03-02-2008, 06:01 AM

Weedhound

03-02-2008, 06:02 AM

Weedhound

03-02-2008, 06:19 AM

HOLY SHIT! :eek: What happened here????

Hmmm....looks like SOMEONE had a few too many caps......:wtf:

vileoxidation

03-02-2008, 07:56 AM

Heh, havin' a good night, Weedhound? :stoned::stoned:

Well, we just finished putting everything in the capsules. Yielded 32 of our smaller '0' capsules, which we will each be taking four or five of tomorrow morning.

We added pretty even amounts of oil and paste to them all this time, whereas last time they were pretty uneven on the amounts between the whole lot. They are in the fridge now, where they will remain.

Do you ever need to take them with you? If so, how do you keep them from leaking when you do, since you can't keep them in the fridge?

I'm so hoping we get knocked on our asses tomorrow...:thumbsup: Thanks again, Weedhound!

toomanynics

03-02-2008, 08:19 AM

What a relief weedhound, as I was reading down these replies I was beginning to think it might be time to put down my cigar.... nah!

vileoxidation are you using gelatin caps?

robbyg

03-02-2008, 11:49 AM

I see people are substituting the Coconut oil for other alternatives. What are some good alternatives?

Olive Oil was mentioned. Does it need to be a specific type?

robbyg

03-02-2008, 12:02 PM

I see people are substituting the Coconut oil for other alternatives. What are some good alternatives?

Olive Oil was mentioned. Does it need to be a specific type?

Also another thing that comes to mind is, if using the bud method and it is put on a plate then into the fridge to harden. Then cut into squares or portions, can it be eaten like that? Along with a spoon of the oil :jointsmile:

Weedhound

03-02-2008, 01:56 PM

robby go back to the first two pages and there is lots of discussion on both things that you mentioned.....different oils and hardening the stuff on a plate (which I've tried and DOES work....with cocunut oil). I'm pretty sure you will get the information you need there.

Vilo....once the capslules harden I haven't had any problem with them leaking etc....I put them in regular pill bottles and they stay solid unless you put them next to something hot (at least they have for me.)

Have fun!!

vileoxidation

03-02-2008, 09:00 PM

Okay, they have been in the fridge all night, and we just popped five each. We shall see in a few hours how they turned out!! :D

Weedhound

03-02-2008, 09:45 PM

Cool......watch Borat or something really funny. :thumbsup: Have fun.

vileoxidation

03-02-2008, 11:11 PM

Hm, still not the results we were looking for. This time the results were definitely more noticeable, but it was still only a slight stone, and maybe a tiny bit of a head high. Its only been a little more than two hours, so I am still somewhat hopeful...but not very.

We just picked up some good looking purps and a bag of our main guy's normal chronic, but right now we're not thinking we will cook with any more of it.

We can't think of any other problems that could have come up last night, especially since it cooked for so long. It never got above 270, and was above 225 for most of the time. Do we still need to get it hotter?

Chrono420

03-02-2008, 11:11 PM

Flameon i havnt posted in awhile but id like to say you have changed the way i use cannabis now and i must say i am a very happy man. Although i havnt gotten the gel caps yet ive been forming the semi solid oil into pill shapes then freezing them for easy swallowing and its been working great. Took a couple before work this morning had me good till a little past my lunch break 5 hours later. I also tried cooking it at 250F for around 6 hours for the hash im using and ive had the best results yet.

Weedhound

03-02-2008, 11:14 PM

Wait a little longer vilo.....;)

vileoxidation

03-03-2008, 01:23 AM

Still no real change to how it was, just a slight high, as if we smoked an hour or so ago. We are somewhat disappointed, but I do think that this batch was better than the first.

I don't know if they boyfriend is going to let me keep trying it, though. :(

Thanks for helping us with it so much, Weedhound! :)

Weedhound

03-03-2008, 02:45 AM

Pssst....Kick up the heat.....;). Do you have any left? Somebody suggested putting the capsules back in the oven at about 300 for about an hour or something?

vileoxidation

03-03-2008, 04:06 AM

Yeah, we have a few left...should I dump the oil and gunk into a coffee mug and just throw it in there for awhile? How often would I have to check the temperature, because I know its a lot less accurate to do it in an oven?

Weedhound

03-03-2008, 04:16 AM

Well I swear the recipe you made would have had me smiling wide. Mobyone suggested putting your oven temp 50F degrees higher than you are aiming for....(oven at 300F...capsules will be at 250F) so since you've done the low thing.....I'd aim for maybe 325F for an hour. Or even 350F perhaps. And yes, I''d just mix them altogether.

I'm REALLY starting to wonder....with so many varying reactions from people who basically cook it the same way (at the same temp) if the variable is in the people.....or perhaps the different types/strains that everyone uses.....or maybe BOTH. :cool:

vileoxidation

03-03-2008, 05:10 AM

Yeah, it kind of seems like it. Maybe there are just certain types of bud that extract easier than others, or some people absorb it better through the stomach, or something like that...cause I don't know what else we could have done wrong!

I'll probably try them in the oven tomorrow. I want this to work so badly, because if it can help us save that would be SO good for us. I haven't given up yet! :)

Time to smoke a few bong bowls and get ripped for the night. :thumbsup::stoned:

Weedhound

03-03-2008, 05:27 AM

I very firmly believe there is a combo for almost everyone. The trick is finding it.

Good luck. :)

robbyg

03-04-2008, 04:05 AM

I see people are substituting the Coconut oil for other alternatives. What are some good alternatives?

Olive Oil was mentioned. Does it need to be a specific type?

I said f it and decided to try "my combo" and see what happens.

I am missing coconut oil so I tried to substitute for butter.

Also, I had no coffee grinder so I hand ground my herb two or three times to get it as fine as I could.

I put 3 medium spoons of melted butter into a dish with two spoons of herb.

Next part of my story is my stupid crock(ofshit) pot. It has two settings: "Warm" & "Cook". However, it does not stay on "cook" for extended periods of time. Also to make this even more interesting was I had no thermometer. Oops.

In the end, my substance settled with a liquidy butter on top and a sandy substance at the bottom. I used a syringe best I could and put it into the capsules. I made two types of capsules. One with lots of oil and one with lots of the sandy stuff. I made a couple of a 5050 mix.

So my first test was at 5:00PM pst (3 hours ago) and I do not feel much. There were a few moments maybe an hour to an hour and a half ago that I felt slightly buzzing but I was not definite. I would blame that on placebo more than anything? (after reading 17 pages in this thread, that is a fairly common feeling lol)

Now, as I mentioned I have two types of pills. One sandy and one oily. Should I go ahead and pop two of the oily's?? :D

Can I just leak them on to a spoon and drink it or should I try to heat it up more. Oh also, I heated it for 2.5 hours at the hottest temp which wasn't excruciating hot to the touch so I figured it was medium-ish... ha ha

vileoxidation

03-04-2008, 05:58 AM

Well....a friend of ours tried out two of the caps, and he was knocked on his ass for the whole afternoon on Saturday, apparently. So I guess they are working, and maybe we just need to up our dosage due to our use or their size or the amount of oil or something like that.

Definitely confirms that I am going to keep working on finding the right method and combo of everything for me. :thumbsup:

maxsuperdanks

03-04-2008, 02:13 PM

So I discovered that if you're tollerance is too high, you might not be feeling the full effects of your capsules.

I smoke 2: 0.5 gram bongs every day when I wake up to just be kinda high.

So like... I should take a break, cause my tollerance is as high as Jesus' just for different stuff.

Weedhound

03-04-2008, 02:18 PM

I don't know you guys I consider myself pretty tolerant but as long as I grow a couple (two or three) different kinds and switch around.....I get quite wiped off 4 capsules....even after taking them for awhile.

Vilo...that would REALLY piss me off if I made caps and everyone else got high off them but not me. :wtf:

robbyg

03-04-2008, 09:01 PM

I am going to try 4 pills today. 2 oily and 2 sandy. My problem might be 2.5 hours was not enough time in the crock pot. I stirred twice. My crockpot was on the low setting not sure if this was hot enough.

Will check tonight with a temp monitor.

Opie Yutts

03-04-2008, 09:30 PM

Hey people, I am now the proud owner of a candy thermometer. It cost $5.

Weedhound

03-04-2008, 10:59 PM

Buy two rich man.....keep one around just for show...:D

vileoxidation

03-05-2008, 05:06 AM

Vilo...that would REALLY piss me off if I made caps and everyone else got high off them but not me. :wtf:

Yeah it made me pretty angry...I don't know what to do about it, because I really feel like they weren't quite made right, so they only offered me a very slight stone, and the only reason it kicked his ass is because he only smokes a couple of times a week. But if I keep making them and, once again, they work for other people but not for me....things might get ugly. :rambohead:

So I don't know if I should attempt it again...if its just gonna piss me off, probably not, and I don't know if there is still hope for it to work. We picked up some Bubba Kush today, and I would love for them to work using that bud....but I don't want them to not work and have wasted some amazing shit. :(

maxsuperdanks

03-05-2008, 06:46 AM

Yeah it made me pretty angry...I don't know what to do about it, because I really feel like they weren't quite made right, so they only offered me a very slight stone, and the only reason it kicked his ass is because he only smokes a couple of times a week. But if I keep making them and, once again, they work for other people but not for me....things might get ugly. :rambohead:

So I don't know if I should attempt it again...if its just gonna piss me off, probably not, and I don't know if there is still hope for it to work. We picked up some Bubba Kush today, and I would love for them to work using that bud....but I don't want them to not work and have wasted some amazing shit. :(

Here's a trick I learned to prep the weed. It's called "decarboxilification", in short, it converts the THC into a form your body can utilize through ingestion and processing by your liver into a much more psychoactive substance rather than just smoking.

So here's the process:

1. Preheat your oven to 325f (this works well cause then you can do the other steps and you'll be ready, make sure to have an oven thermometer, or be sure it's accurate) NO MORE NO LESS.

2. Grind your pot- Not just as fine as for a bowl, not just little chunks, you want this beyond what you'd use to smoke a bowl. So fine you might be upset if you had to smoke a bowl of it. If you have a coffee grinder for just pot, use that, it's great. If you've got a regular grinder, turn it upside down and put your bud in, this will keep it from falling through the catcher and will keep it in the grinding mechanism.

3. Spread out your pot- Spread it out on a cookie sheet, or a bowl or whatever. Keep all your weed touching, and lay it out about 1/8" thick (3mm for those who use metric measurements)

4. Once oven has reached 325, place the cookie sheet in the oven for 5 minutes and bake.

5. Take your pot out, scrape it off the pan (the trichomes will get gooey and stick to stuff due to the heat) your house will smell a bit, but that's not the THC it's chlorophyll and other stuff off your pot.

Now use your pot for the cannabis capsules and see how big a difference it makes.

vileoxidation

03-05-2008, 07:14 AM

So do all that, then continue with the regular process of adding oil and cooking for the right number of hours? I thought that above 300, it started to vaporize the THC off with no way to contain it...I am guessing that if I left it in for more than five minutes it would start doing that? I don't need to increase my cooking temp for the whole crock-pot process, though, right? It has been between 225 and 280 for the past two batches of caps, but that was one thing I was somewhat worried about.

Thanks for your help and ideas, Max! It really makes me want to try it again for sure now! :)

vileoxidation

03-05-2008, 08:01 AM

Sorry about the multi-post, but I had another thought. I thought the decarboxylation temp was 106C, or 222F, which is why Weedhound has used that as her "magic" temp, if you will.

Is the oven just a way to speed up the decarboxylation, and not the only method, or can it not be done at temperatures such as 222?

Or is 222 the temperature for something entirely different, and I was just confusing things?

Sorry about all the questions - I'm a science person and am fascinated to learn about the intricacies of this to better understand the chemicals/processes involved.

Flameon

03-05-2008, 09:22 AM

vileoxidation

03-05-2008, 04:45 PM

I thought decarboxylation was the process of getting rid of the carboxyl groups, which decrease the potency because they are simply an added chemical, through the release of carbon dioxide.

If it really is just needed for bud that has not been dried and cured correctly, I might just attempt it again without this added step.

Although...even though it might not be necessary for my current bud, which is dried well,I might try it anyway, both to ensure total release of carboxyl groups and to finish drying the bud. Two birds with one stone, after all!

Flameon, thanks for the recipe, and all of your help with it, and your devotion to making this work for people! You are awesome. :)

Weedhound

03-05-2008, 06:13 PM

I have to agree...Flame rules! Vilo I found through my experiences that simply expirementing is the way to go. I did get a pretty fair buzz off my caps that I used to cook at 350 before I got ahold of Flames recipe but even then I had to do a lot of experimenting before I found what was right for me.

Try higher.....lower.....shorter....longer......(assum ing you have all this extra ganja to play around with....:wtf:

vileoxidation

03-05-2008, 09:06 PM

Try higher.....lower.....shorter....longer......(assum ing you have all this extra ganja to play around with....:wtf:

Yeah....not really...lol. We've got a bit extra that we allocated to this project still left, but only one more batch worth. Maybe we should do what you have suggested to others and, from that batch, take some out after certain amounts of time to get the most varied experimentation. :cool:

robbyg

03-05-2008, 09:14 PM

Okay so this time I was armed with the proper tools. I did two batches in separate containers using the crock pot method.

Batch 1:
1 tsp coconut oil
.5g hash
.5g bud

Batch 2:
1 tsp coconut oil
1g bud

I cooked for 4 hours at 200 - 250 farenheit. Then I did the unthinkable and fell asleep :D and my batches cooked for another 4 hours at under 200 farenheit(I would think this was harmless???)

I took 3 pills from batch 2 with breakfast 2.5 hours ago and do not feel much yet. Going to wait another 45 minutes and will take 3 pills from the other batch and see if its any better.

I should have saved a little bud so I could do a couple bong rips. Waiting for "the high" kind of sucks.

maxsuperdanks

03-06-2008, 08:45 AM

Hi guys

Re: the question about decarboxylation.

To avoid any confusion. Decarboxylation is not about 'converting the THC into a form your body can utilize through ingestion', it's about converting any remaining 'non-active' THCA into 'active' THC.

It's a step that only becomes necessary if you're using poorly cured bud, as it speeds up the drying process.

The aim is to force any remaining moisture out of the plant material through the application of heat, rather than wait for the plant material to dry naturally (i.e. via curing). My personal recommendation is not to go as high as 325F, just warm it on a lower temperature for slightly longer, nor is it essential to grind up the weed first.

Which ever method you use, the aim is to end up with dry, crumbly weed - easy to grind and high in potency.

vileoxidation - Sounds like you're getting close. Like weedhound, I've got quite a high tolerance too, but even so 3 of these is still enough to knock me on my ass for the evening. You'll know the difference when you hit the 'sweet spot' in terms of cooking time and temp. My suggestion is to keep it above 200F, but below 250F (I noticed you were hitting 280F previously).

Anyhow - good work and good luck :thumbsup: Interesting, I've heard that without decarboxilification, the weed was useless, it'd be as though you ate a bunch of pot without cooking it at all.

I've tried both methods, and both times with properly grown and cured dank (lol, I don't smoke regs or beasters or whatever you like to call seedless, un-cured mid grade nugs) and without fail the oven method turns out to work, while the other way ( to my displeasure and disappointment) didn't get me high at all.

From my experience 325 is the magic spot, and after I cook the pot at that temp, as long as it's in a fatty substance I can do no wrong cooking at that temp.

And this is coming from a dude who will roll a 1.75 ounce joint of any "A-strain" or whatever and wake and bake it.

Yeah my tollerance is stupid high :(

Weedhound

03-06-2008, 08:20 PM

Max mine is too.....and cooking at 325F would lesson the strength of my capsules.....and has.....from personal experience. It may work for some.....I got a buzz off cooking it 350F......but I get a much better high using much less weed cooking it at the lower temps.

I think the secret phrase is "from my experience." If everybody liked green beans we wouldln't need all sorts of other food in the world. I can say my best capsules are done between 225F and 275F and never see 325 during my cooking cycle.

And PS....my tolerance level was about 4 -5 grams a day....eating and probably another gram from smoking....daily.. i grow my own so I can put down as much as I want.......as long as I grow more. :D I can't even BEGIN to tell you how much weed I have saved with the capsules method. (pss....or how much went down the drain during the testing period either.)

PS....I've tried temps all the way to 375F on myself.

maxsuperdanks

03-06-2008, 09:51 PM

Weedhound

03-06-2008, 09:54 PM

Please don't get me wrong.....I'm not saying that you are doing it the wrong way just that everyone is different and it wouldn't surprise me at all that depending on several factors such as people being different, strains of weed being different etc....that there could be all sort of "right" ways to cook it. If low didn't work for me and high temps did........what do you think I'd be cooking them at :D

Ps.....Daily amountwise..probably about 1/3 to 1/2 is of that above amount if what I use now. ;)

Weedhound

03-06-2008, 09:58 PM

Interestingly.....when I cooked my ganja off my old recipe which was 350% (mixture temp....not oven temp) it took about the same amount to get me high as it had when I was eating.....but I couldn't complain about the buzz. It just took a lot more to get to the same spot and stay there as it does for me when cooking at lower temps.

maxsuperdanks

03-08-2008, 01:19 AM

maxsuperdanks

03-08-2008, 01:19 AM

Actually, I might make a chart to show my results with temp and such.

I'll start by sepparating sativa's and indica's, and mixes of the 2.

Weedhound

03-08-2008, 03:40 AM

That would be EXCELLENT Max.....I'd love some info like that. :thumbsup:

xcrispi

03-09-2008, 06:14 PM

A cpl. T / Y's are in order here :thumbsup::thumbsup:.

1st - To Flame for all his research / trial -n- error .

2nd. - To Weedhound for 4 mos. of pokin , pesterin -n- pryin to get me to try this .

I've smoked for more than 20 yrs. , 1 -1.5 ounces a week . Plus inhaling God knows what when I was caught up in an explosion 7 yrs. ago . Lotsa time in a hyperbaric unit and 11 months of respitory techs./ resp. therapy and My lungs are still junk . I shouldn't be smoking :(.

We took 14 grams of roach weed . Used Flames 7 grams of oil for every 1.5 grams of weed numbers . A full tablespoon of oil = 14 grams BTW .

Ran the weed through a cofee grinder till it was the consistency of flour . Followed the instructions cooking in a crock pot for 3 hrs. keeping the temps of the cups contents at 250 degrees .

It took the temps set at 320 degrees on the crock pot to = 250 degrees in the cup due to loss of heat from transference through the crock liner / stoneware cup etc... <-" Not taking this into account is the number 1 mistake of ppl. w/ bum results so far" .

There was an 80-100 degree temp flux between the 2 at my house . So ppl. that set their crock pot at 250 could quite possibly have only been at 150 degrees or so w/ the cups contents :( .

It ended up making 80 capsules total .
""Why am I thanking you folks"" ? = I ate 3 caps. at 7:00 and felt nothing at 8:00 :mad: so "FOOL" ate 3 more caps. = Maybe it's due to use of roach weed ? :wtf: Maybe these folks are just light weights / pussies ;) ? Maybe just a huge tolerence after 20 yrs. and I'm king of the highons ?:D

NOTTTTTTTTTT !!!

8:30 My face was rubbery -n- numb like w/ the 190 proof grain alky from Markass ,

9:30 - Permagrin has set in -couldn't wipe the grin off my face w/ a 2 x 4 .

10:00 - the giggles and a body buzz = to that of mushrooms / ACID :hippy: .

I was high till 2 am . I haven't been that high since I was a kid . No cookie , brownie has ever ever ever affected me this way .
I Can't wait to try this w/ fresh green killer and not roach weed .

p.s My lungs are going to be greatly relieved by this this recipe and much thanks to you both . :stoned::stoned:

Peace
Crispi :jointsmile:

Opie Yutts

03-09-2008, 09:14 PM

xcrispi, you lucky bastard. That's what I've been hoping for every time I do any kind of cooking. All I do is waste premium weed. I tried it at 210, then again at 260 (oil temp, not crock pot temp). Nothing. Absolutely nothing, except a slight stone that could be achieved through one bowl. I followed directions, except the last try I turned it down to low and went to bed, after 3 hours at 260. I was under the impression that longer times in the crock pot could only help. I am at a loss. I'm about to stop wasting good weed on cooking.

I have an extremely high tolerance for everything, and have had since I was about 2. That shouldn't matter. I had I high tolerance in college, and cooking with cookies got me completely blazed. Thoughts anyone?

vileoxidation

03-09-2008, 09:35 PM

Another weekend, another attempt. :)

Because we aren't sure if we are gonna get it right, this time we are only starting with an eighth of chronic, which we put in the oven for seven minutes at 300 F, and then we ground it in a coffee grinder to powder.

The crockpot, which only has two settings, has been warming up for awhile. We added the weed to a coffee mug, and then added the oil. We ended up with 2.9 grams of powdered weed, so we used almost a full tablespoon of oil.

I think he added way too much oil once again, which will probably end up messing everything up because it will dilute it way too much...but maybe that's just me being pissy today. :D

So the mixture is in the crockpot now. It is turned up to high, and we have a digital candy thermometer to measure the temperature of the actual mixture. We are waiting for it to reach the desired temps, and then our cooking time will start.

Wish us luck!!

Opie Yutts

03-09-2008, 10:32 PM

OK, good luck. Yes, I think that's about twice as much oil as you need for that amount of weed. I put a little too much in my last batch, and it made everything more complicated and messy. It took forever to fill the capsules and the mixture got everywhere. I've only tried twice so far, but I've come to the conclusion that the less oil you can use, the better for packing capsules.

vileoxidation

03-09-2008, 11:01 PM

We decided that we would drain some of the oil into another little bowl, then we ground up some of the bubba and some of the purple we got a few days ago and added it to the oil. That mixture is much less saturated with oil, and now the other one is somewhat better too. They are both cooking in the crock pot, sitting right around 248F.

Weedhound

03-09-2008, 11:08 PM

Right AROUND 248F? You should really try and be more specific.....:D

Weedhound

03-09-2008, 11:14 PM

Opie.....start small and cook at higher temps. Powder up a gram and cook it in a coffee cup at 300 for an hour or so. Just do a gram at a time.....that's the way I did it (except when I just screwed up and burned things or something). Opie, how are you grinding up your weed? Is it getting powdered?

Weedhound

03-09-2008, 11:16 PM

I agree with less oil....but not TOO much less.....Flame made a analogy to melting sugar in oil....if you don't have enough oil your sugar will be too thick and there will be saturated before taking on all the thc. Too much oil.....just takes more.

vileoxidation

03-09-2008, 11:27 PM

Right AROUND 248F? You should really try and be more specific.....:D

Lol, he always says the same thing when I "estimate" time or anything like that. :D

xcrispi

03-09-2008, 11:27 PM

Right AROUND 248F? You should really try and be more specific.....:D

Be careful Weedhound - Red might pistol whip you if don't play nice . Girls got big guns . :thumbsup: Just be sure your reading the mixture and not the bottom of the cup V/O .
Peace
Crispi :stoned:

vileoxidation

03-09-2008, 11:31 PM

Be careful Weedhound - Red might pistol whip you if don't play nice . Girls got big guns . :thumbsup: Just be sure your reading the mixture and not the bottom of the cup V/O .
Peace
Crispi :stoned:

You're not supposed to warn anyone, xc.... ;)

I'm pretty sure we have been keeping it off the bottom of the cup/bowl when we are taking the temp, since we are also stirring it when checking the temp. But next time we check I'll make sure. :stoned:

maxsuperdanks

03-10-2008, 12:24 AM

That would be EXCELLENT Max.....I'd love some info like that. :thumbsup:

I've got the day off from work tomorrow, and I've got Sweet Tooth X Humboldt

I've also got a bunch of Planewreck lying around.

I'm probably going to try a few capsules. I just need to make a chart. I'm probably going to do a thread so everyone can input data, but if that's to happen, we have to be meticulous, for the sake of science we want things to be as accurate as possible (without sacrificing getting stoned ourselves of course)

simplesmok

03-10-2008, 01:45 AM

I don't know if you meant that you were taking the temp while actually stirring but be careful when stirring and checking temps at the same time. I've noticed that stirring causes a much higher temp read then what it actually is. I usually check it first, then stir.

damjv

03-10-2008, 03:18 AM

I'm for sure gunna try this.

Thanks for the guide.:thumbsup:

vileoxidation

03-10-2008, 03:21 AM

Simplesmok - Nah, we just didn't want to take the lid off too much, so we combined the two tasks into one. Thank you, though! :)

We just finished filling everything, ended up with 14 caps filled with the regular mix, and 17 filled with the bubba kush/purple mix.

We each took 3 of them, about 20-25 minutes ago. I'll let you guys know later tonight what the results are. :thumbsup:

Weedhound

03-10-2008, 03:22 AM

Wishing you the best......enjoy! ;)

vileoxidation

03-10-2008, 07:01 AM

Well, we definitely think they worked a lot better. Since our capsules are smaller and we had just eaten, we probably should have taken more than 3 to feel the full effects, but we both definitely were stoned.

At about four hours right now, and I haven't felt anything for an hour or so.

Weedhound

03-10-2008, 01:05 PM

Good to hear you're getting somewhere. What were your temps and times.....I know you wrote it up there but I'd have to scroll all the way up......:stoned:

toomanynics

03-10-2008, 05:27 PM

Now that Iâ??ve made up some of this stuff 10 times or so using a slow cooker, I can offer a few observations about this technique. A modest investment in time and accessories is needed. Sure, there are so many variables involved with making this stuff that itâ??s easy to have less than ideal results and be disappointed, BUT, in my view the payoff makes it worthwhile for someone like me who doesn't smoke. It's a great alternative to smoking too. I don't mean to make all this sound more difficult than it really is, but it's obviously not as easy as striking a match. There might not be anything new in what follows (thank you all!), but it might answer some questions for someone who reads this now. Hereâ??s what I got:

Starting material - Probably goes without saying, but when first trying this method (and if you can), stick to one strain or blend of mj until you get good results.
Moisture - Unless you grow and use your own, there's probably a little in your mj. To get the best grind and prevent grinder stickage and loss, dry it first. Some say you want to do this anyway, to "activate" the 'noids and 'nols or whatever. I'll stay out of that discussion here.
Grind â?? The finer the better. If you compared results with two batchesâ??one having used, say, a small electric coffee grinder and another where the mj was broken up by hand or rubbed through a strainerâ??I can almost guarantee the first batch will be better. You want the grind to be as fine as possible. This exposes the maximum surface area of the mj to hot oil.
Scale â?? Use one. At first I didnâ??t have one so I used a measuring spoon. When Iâ??m done grinding the mj, it is very close to a fine powder but it is also a bit fluffy. Now I use a nice little 100g scale I got on sale and my results are now more consistent.
Start-up â?? If youâ??re using a slow cooker, allow plenty of time for your cooker to come to temperature. Mine takes almost an hour and a half before it is stable. You probably wonâ??t get good results if you start with a cold pot and cook it for two hours.
Vessel â?? What to use in your slow cooker? Unless youâ??ve scaled up the recipe for large quantities (you lucky dog, you!), make your stuff in something you can set inside the pot. Some use a coffee cup. I use a wide-bottomed shot glass. Your vessel should be deep enogh to take a temperature but not so wide as to make harvesting difficult. Naturally, the vessel should not have insultating qualities. The slow cookerâ??s lid is important to maintaining the desired temperature. Keep it on as much as possible. I don't use water in my slow cooker because it doesn't get the vessel and oil hot enough.
Oil â?? Thereâ??s plenty of discussion here about how much to use. Too little oil is not good; too much doesnâ??t really hurt anything except increase the volume of the product needed for a given dosage and possibly your waistline. (ha ha) Iâ??m not finding a very big difference so far between using clarified butter (ghee) and coconut oil, but Iâ??ve only done one batch using the (recently acquired) coconut oil.
Thermometer - A thermometer really is not optional. RAT (right-about-there) temperatures using the oven dial or whatever will only add to the chance of less than good results. First time through I used extra oil in a wide-bottomed shot glass without investing mj in it so I could see whatâ??s going on. Track your temperatures in the oil during cooking until youâ??ve got the process down by checking it frequently. For a slow cooker, keep the lid on as much as possible. Temperature profiling of your process and making appropriate adjustments could arguably be the most important variable here.
Stirring â?? I stir my mix during cooking at least once or twice if I can. Maybe it helps ensure all the material is exposed to the hot oil. However, since I use a bit more oil than called for, my weak science-fu suggests this may be unnecessary due to convection in the heated oil. Still, it canâ??t hurt, right? Just try to keep the amount of time the lidâ??s off the pot as brief as possible to conserve heat. That goes for temperature checking too of course.
Time â?? The near-end time frame consensus so far here appears to be two hours at temperature. The far end is unsettled, but might be around 4 hours. Some have gone longer. Iâ??ve cooked for as long as 6 hours and that batch was not any betterâ??in fact, it may have been a little worse. I suspect that it takes two hours to extract something like 95% of the gettable good stuff and with longer cooking itâ??s a case of diminishing returns. YMMV.
Yield - Donâ??t get frustrated if you think itâ??s taking more mj for a given effect than, say, a vaporizer. Yield (effectiveness) will improve with experience.
Capsules â?? Strictly speaking, you donâ??t have to have them. Individual doses can be taken â??straight,â? but this way increases variability of dosage to a degree. Using caps helps control dosage for a given batch and, for sure, there is the convenience of pill form. I am headed towards using caps, but again, you donâ??t have to.
Time for effect â?? Be patient! It takes a full two hours for my stuff to work. When youâ??re learning, itâ??s hard to have to wait two hours to find out if your stuff works and then be disappointed with it. Persistence pays here.

Besides the obvious circumstantial advantages of eating prepared mj, I encourage anyone interested in trying edibles for its other benefits. The duration, physical and mental effects are a little (some might say a lot) different than smoking in a very positive way. If you donâ??t want to or canâ??t (like me) smoke, then this is the best method Iâ??ve come across so far.

Good luck.:D

Opie Yutts

03-10-2008, 05:50 PM

Opie, how are you grinding up your weed? Is it getting powdered?

Yes it's getting powdered. I'm using a Krupps herb grinder.

xcrispi, I don't know for sure if the temperature remark was directed at me, but I'm pretty sure I was measuring the oil temperature, not the container. I was using a candy thermometer and a laser thermometer, which was consistently 13-14 degrees F lower than the candy thermometer (FYI).

Weedhound

03-10-2008, 06:20 PM

Great post toomany with several very good tips. :thumbsup:

toomanynics

03-10-2008, 06:48 PM

Thanks, WH. I can't believe I actually wrote, "Probably goes without saying,..." *face/palm*

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ruizder

03-10-2008, 08:59 PM

Alright so i have a question, after doing alot of reading and looking through pages in this forum i decided to go and try this project unfortunately i cant find a slow cooker that goes over 200F i would like to know if anyone has any suggestions on brands and where to purchase. Also lets say i place a aluminum lid to contract heat better would i need water inside the crock pot or would it be fine with just the lid
Thanks :weedpoke:

keithm89

03-11-2008, 02:36 AM

hey this is awsome and im deffinetly going to try it.
i also have a question. Do you think that these would be able to be brought onto an airplane for inner country flights

vileoxidation

03-11-2008, 06:24 AM

Good to hear you're getting somewhere. What were your temps and times.....I know you wrote it up there but I'd have to scroll all the way up......:stoned:

We did it in the oven first for eight minutes at 300F, and then we cooked in the crock-pot at 225-260 (averaging at 243-248 :D) for about three hours.

We are planning on taking five or six each of the Bubba/Purple ones tomorrow because we have a concert to go to, so I'll let you guys know if those turned out better or worse or whatever.

Opie Yutts

03-11-2008, 08:23 PM

hey this is awsome and im deffinetly going to try it.
i also have a question. Do you think that these would be able to be brought onto an airplane for inner country flights

I wouldn't try it unless you have a card and can legally do so. My capsules smell like weed. Drug sniffing dogs have a sense of smell roughly 700,000 times better than humans.

Weedhound

03-11-2008, 10:46 PM

Yes I would certainly agree with Opie about drug dogs.....and not take the chance with them. Ever noticed they don't really bribe very well......

SloppyJoseph

03-12-2008, 01:18 AM

Wow guys, this thread was awesome. It's my first time on this site! I just read this entire thread ahahaa. It was really a good read. I am going to be trying this when i get free time. I really like eating more than smoking. I started out making firecrackers and tea and got all my friends hooked. Now im gonna try this!!! Thanks sooooo much :pimp:

keithm89

03-12-2008, 03:08 AM

I wouldn't try it unless you have a card and can legally do so. My capsules smell like weed. Drug sniffing dogs have a sense of smell roughly 700,000 times better than humans.

are you sure i surely would rather be 100% safe but do drug dogs smell for marijuana and/or are there drug dogs around for carry on flight bags.

Weedhound

03-12-2008, 03:11 AM

I've never seen one at an airport but I have heard that they do have them at some airports. And yes, they are trained to search for cannabis.

WhiteWindica

03-12-2008, 05:19 PM

Ok, I think I understand how to make them. But the only thing I'm trying to figure out is how to know the right amount of bud/coconut oil to use. I want to make 24 capsules (full). Amount wont be a problem, so if anyone is smarter than me in this one can I get a little help with the amount to use? :)

Weedhound

03-12-2008, 05:26 PM

Well I don't know if it's helpful but here is how I do it....i melt some coconut oil down and pour in my weed.....too much and I add more weed, too little and I add more oil. This is seriously how I do it so I know its not any help.

Ps....I think X-Crispi mentioned that 1 full tablespoon of coconut oil equals 14 grams. Maybe that will be info you can actually use. :wtf:

WhiteWindica

03-12-2008, 05:47 PM

Lol so you just pour in enough weed until it evenly covers the amount of oil you have? Meh, I'm gonna get it one day. I've got everything ready, just waiting on scale and coconut oil lol. I was surprised when I received my pack of capsules. There is like 1,000. I didn't even know I ordered that many! Damn they're cheap :)

Weedhound

03-12-2008, 06:13 PM

I like it so that there is a few extra pockets of oil when it's all mixed together. I think I have a pic somewhere......brb.

Weedhound

03-12-2008, 06:16 PM

This is coconut oil and ganja in the bowl. This pretty much the amount I like....and pretty much how I judge it too......just by eyeball. ;)

WhiteWindica

03-12-2008, 06:37 PM

Omg that looks great lol. I can't wait to do this! :)

edit: Don't mean to be a pest, but besides coffee grinders are there any other ways (that doesn't involve buying anything) to get some nice a finely grounded bud?

Weedhound

03-12-2008, 06:47 PM

I use a regular strainer and am quite happy with the results I get. (Ps...may help to heat your weed a touch before straining....make sure its REALLY dry)

Here's a thread that my hubby and I did on making capsules after getting the excellent recipe from THIS thread.....worth a look through. ;)

Edit:.....umm...duh.....http://boards.cannabis.com/concentrates/150409-hounds-cannabis-capsule-guide-flame-s-recipe.html

WhiteWindica

03-12-2008, 06:54 PM

Thanks, the guide is quite helpful! the next 3 plants I harvest, I'm going to use them all for capsules lol.

Weedhound

03-12-2008, 07:08 PM

the best way imo is to do small amounts until you get the temp that works for you. I'm even coming to the conclusion that different strains may do better at a little different temps. The newest batch I cooked I cooked for 3 hours at 250 and got a better result I think....but not by much. ;)

WhiteWindica

03-12-2008, 07:23 PM

Yeah, next Thursday I'm gonna just do the 1.5g of bud to 7g of coconut oil and see what it does for me. I hope I don't start gobbling them all down before I can use them when I really need 'em haha.

vileoxidation

03-13-2008, 07:58 AM

Well, they were pretty much a let-down again...nothing more than just a bit of a stoney feeling this time. I think we have to give up...

Opie Yutts

03-13-2008, 08:11 PM

I know exactly how you feel. Dad gummit, I'm sick of wasting good weed. I'm not giving up though. I got a new crock pot and am going to approach the situation like a scientist, and not just follow the directions. I don't think you can just follow the directions unless you get lucky. Every crock pot is different, and so is the weed.

WhiteWindica

03-14-2008, 12:22 AM

I have a some what "crockpot" it only goes to 240Â°F, that's not with a coffee mug in the pot. It's just a plug in pot, it doesn't have a temperature adjuster. So I was wondering can I still make it with what I have?

Weedhound

03-14-2008, 12:59 AM

I'm REALLY bummed for you guys. I remember the first time I made Flame's recipe I hit it pretty fair. The next several times NOTHING and I went back to "sauteeing" it. Didn't you used to do that Opie....fry it or something?

xcrispi

03-14-2008, 06:24 AM

Quote Opie - xcrispi, I don't know for sure if the temperature remark was directed at me, but I'm pretty sure I was measuring the oil temperature, not the container. I was using a candy thermometer and a laser thermometer, which was consistently 13-14 degrees F lower than the candy thermometer (FYI).

Nope , Not at all Opie . Was just a statement in general - no hidden meanings . If I had any info to help out etc... I would have tagged your name on there as well . I wish I had more pos. input to help actually . I didn't even go as far as you have - I never got out our lil Atomik Laser to check temps.

Peace bro.
Crispi :jointsmile:

UnTouched

03-14-2008, 07:44 AM

Tried a different method this time and OMG was this easy.

Went the scientific route like someone said. instead of a crock pot i took my steinel digital heat gun. These guns are digital temp controled and have a ceramic heat source. that was the formerly used before volcano vaporizers were in existances.

i Used to make turkey bag vapor balloons this way all the time.

made a tray over top of it set heat gun on the normal 280-290f, with 3 inch gap, between aluminum tray with oil and herbs and the top of the heat gun. Yes this heated up my house a bit. i had a constant temp hitting the bottem of my tray for 3 hours straight. No smell at all

Caps were perfect. 3 x 00 caps had me in a dazed and confused state for all but 3-4 hours. WeedHound i love you and Flameon:jointsmile: thanks again for this recipe/ idea

Next were planning on using the strained coconut oil in other edibles- Rice krispie treats, ice cream, cakes, bread

HMM ? something else to think about would strawberry seeds soak up coconut oil as they do alcohol if so you could fold the oil into milk chocolate and make chocolate covered thc strawberries. YUMMY!!