Cannabis Capsules â?? A step-by-step guide.

[jebus2029]

I haven't done them enough to tell you definitively when they start to go bad but I would say just make about a month's supply at a time, and keep them in the fridge in a sealed container. The amount of work is reasonable to be able to do it once a month.

[subzero]

I'm not sure either and am surprised that they do degrade. I thought light, air and heat were the cause of degradation. I have frozen weed before and as long as it is dry and you are careful defrosting it so you dont break off the brittle trichromes it stays the potient for years. Butttt the capsuals do change. I noticed no difference after 3 months but after 5 months, I had to throw the rest away. So I would say safely 3 months.
rots u ruck. :hippy:

Subzero

[DATDUDE12]

can i use a convection oven to cook the oil?

[lunarose]

I would think a convection oven would work better because it would heat the oil mixture more evenly but I don't think it would be any faster.

[butterys]

This is a great idea, but I have two questions... i saw that if it smells strong your doing it wrong, but how much does it smell up a room?... i am living in a dorm and I was wondering if the smell is somewhat strong enough to stink up a room... that would be bad. My other question is do you just put the coffee cup directly in the slow cooker? Thanks!:thumbsup:

[pyratskull]

This is a great idea, but I have two questions... i saw that if it smells strong your doing it wrong, but how much does it smell up a room?... i am living in a dorm and I was wondering if the smell is somewhat strong enough to stink up a room... that would be bad. My other question is do you just put the coffee cup directly in the slow cooker? Thanks!:thumbsup:

Yes, you just place the cup in the crockpot, but honestly I would not try this in a dorm. It doesn't smell like weed when you CAN smell it, but its got a very distinct herbal smell. Any authority figure power hungry/paranoid would probably be suspicious.

Anyway, I personally like just use a small shot glass for my cooking. Currently I just use small amounts of keif/hash so a coffee cup's just a bit too much area for my mixture

[umpnum14]

I just bought the Capsules, pippette and Capsule filling machine today. Cant wait to try it out. Has anyone tried this with AVB and if so what is the ratio of Cocunut oil to AVB?

[umpnum14]

Hey I have a question that I would love to be answered by Weedhound or Flame if I am so lucky as to hear from him:D
I have spent many hours reading almost all some 750-800 post (I have missed about 100 or so). In regards to using crock pots.
Early on in the thread there was some discussion about when using crock pots an alternative to simply placing the coffee cup in the center of the crock pot was to place water in the crock pot and place the coffee cup in water.
Flame moved away from this because of the fact many were having an issue with what was later discovered was the temp not getting high enough.
My 1st question
For some one willing to monitor the temp and willing to cycle the temp back and forth between high and low to keep the temp around 225 for at least 4-6 hrs. Cant it be used?
In regards to the process from what i have read in this thread Are the following critical items that would ruin a batch?
1. Temp must be maintained above the temp to melt the trichromes and bond the THC to the oil but below the vape temp which would effect its potency.
2. Time is dependent on temp. Basically if what I understand is correct. High temp means short cook time and low cook temp means longer cook times.
3. Grinding the weed. The better its grinned the better chance for couch lock. Basically i want to expose as much surface area of the weed as possible to the oil. If all you have is a basic 3 stage grinder is that enough if you grind the shit out of it? i mean grind the shit out it.
4. The weed. Its a vital ingredient why wouldn't the quality matter?
In regards to using ABV let me ask a general question before I get into a specific. We all know that you cant just eat weed alone and get high. The THC has to be activated or realeased via heat /alcohol. Does the some hold true for AB V Could someone just swallow ABV and get the same effects as cooking with it.

[ItSmokin]

I made it exactly to the recipes standards and it didn't work at all. The pills i used were emptied were about half the size of 00. So first time i took 2, which would be like taking 1 regular one, then today i took 3, and felt absolutely nothing.

And i guess the only question is, since i did exactly what the recipe said and it didnt work, should i try emptying the capsules into the crokpot again and cook on high this time? Any other suggestions? thanks i really want this to work :)

[umpnum14]

From early on that has been flames suggestion when someone had a batch and didnt turnout. So im guessing yes What have you got to lose?
Did you use a thermometer the kind the you can actually stick in the oil and what did your temp during the cooking process if you had one?

[ItSmokin]

From early on that has been flames suggestion when someone had a batch and didnt turnout. So im guessing yes What have you got to lose?
Did you use a thermometer the kind the you can actually stick in the oil and what did your temp during the cooking process if you had one?

cooked it on high tonight for 2 more hours. It sorta worked this time i took 5 pills that again or about half the size of 00. But it wasnt nearly anything good enogh to have wasted that much bud on. Guess ill try it with dro next time and see if that makes a difference.

[umpnum14]

cooked it on high tonight for 2 more hours. It sorta worked this time i took 5 pills that again or about half the size of 00. But it wasnt nearly anything good enogh to have wasted that much bud on. Guess ill try it with dro next time and see if that makes a difference.
Im glad to hear it sorta worked. Just a suggestion if you havent tried it, get a thermometer (Cant be meat cause it only goes up to 220) you need one that measures higher temps although as weed has stated he puts it on 225 all night. If you dont have a thermometer get one before you do the next batch becuase you need to be able to at least rule out the temp. Personally I think the thermometer is just as vital as the crockpot imho

[ItSmokin]

Im glad to hear it sorta worked. Just a suggestion if you havent tried it, get a thermometer (Cant be meat cause it only goes up to 220) you need one that measures higher temps although as weed has stated he puts it on 225 all night. If you dont have a thermometer get one before you do the next batch becuase you need to be able to at least rule out the temp. Personally I think the thermometer is just as vital as the crockpot imho

ok and what is the ideal temp and what is too high? And would you recomend me trying with dro next time or maybe the temp thing could eliminate the problem and still try with some mids. One more thing lol, what if i just put an 1/8th of mids in there, it would do the same thing with just less pills right?

[umpnum14]

Weed (a contributor to this board) has his own thread that he started from this reciepe and swears by 225 overnight. you want to keep the temp below the vaporization. Basically if you get it to hot your releasing the thc into the air and not the oil. According to the people at NORML the vaporizing temp of Gods greatest herb is around 180 to 190 c 356-375 f. Try 225 and try not to let it get over 275-300. Also how are you grinding/chopping your weed. You want to get your weed almost powder consistent for the best results (The more surface area in contact with the oil, the more trichomes that are exposed to the oil) In regards to the potency you have to be careful not to use too little oil for the weed. Flame (the creater of this post) has found that messing with the ratio can cause problems. The ratio that apperantly works is 1 1/2 teaspoon of Coconut oil to 1.5 Grams of dank. I wouldnt try this reciepe with anything less then mids. Its a vital indgredent.
The 4 T's to THC extraction IMHO
1. Temp - 225-275 try not let it spike over 300
2. Time - Let cook overnight
3. Texture - Grind Grind Grind to as fine a powder as you can
4. THC Content - Dont use anything less then mids
5. THC Ratio Don't use to much herb to oil. (I f i want to try something stronger i would just take a few extra)
Hope that helps

[ItSmokin]

Weed (a contributor to this board) has his own thread that he started from this reciepe and swears by 225 overnight. you want to keep the temp below the vaporization. Basically if you get it to hot your releasing the thc into the air and not the oil. According to the people at NORML the vaporizing temp of Gods greatest herb is around 180 to 190 c 356-375 f. Try 225 and try not to let it get over 275-300. Also how are you grinding/chopping your weed. You want to get your weed almost powder consistent for the best results (The more surface area in contact with the oil, the more trichomes that are exposed to the oil) In regards to the potency you have to be careful not to use too little oil for the weed. Flame (the creater of this post) has found that messing with the ratio can cause problems. The ratio that apperantly works is 1 1/2 teaspoon of Coconut oil to 1.5 Grams of dank. I wouldnt try this reciepe with anything less then mids. Its a vital indgredent.
The 4 T's to THC extraction IMHO
1. Temp - 225-275 try not let it spike over 300
2. Time - Let cook overnight
3. Texture - Grind Grind Grind to as fine a powder as you can
4. THC Content - Dont use anything less then mids
5. THC Ratio Don't use to much herb to oil. (I f i want to try something stronger i would just take a few extra)
Hope that helps

i read going through the thread again that grinding makes a huge difference... all i had was scissors and my fingers so ill invest in a coffee grinder maybe and see if that helps and maybe ill listen to you guys and try the oven overnight instead of the crockpot this time. Thanks alot will be reporting in :)

[umpnum14]

i read going through the thread again that grinding makes a huge difference... all i had was scissors and my fingers so ill invest in a coffee grinder maybe and see if that helps and maybe ill listen to you guys and try the oven overnight instead of the crockpot this time. Thanks alot will be reporting in :)

Be careful with the oven. Basically if your stinking up your house ubake it too high. The smell shouldnt be overbearing. I would highly suggest reviewing this thread http://boards.cannabis.com/concentrates/150409-hounds-cannabis-capsule-guide-flame-ons-recipe.html before starting a new batch. Dont want to waste ur stuff. Weed took flames recipe (creator of this thread) and has tinkered with it for years. Swears by it

[Rock.Steady]

my turn to contribute:D

have now tried this 4 times.

the combination which works best so far was the latest.

-1.5g of keef
-3.5g of prime nug (white widow) (3 stage ground, see below)
-3.5 teaspoons clarified butter
-crockpot, low setting, lid vented 3/4 in and small towel on top.
-temps approx 220-250F
-approx 20-24 hrs simmer
-yield, 20 caps.


I use what I call a 3-stage grinding process.
I have a standard grinder w keef screen that i use first.
I have a compact, no-screen, single chamber grinder that I re-grind the first batch with.
I then take that and put it in a tea strainer and hand grind it thru the screen with a tablespoon.
This leaves me with a thimble-worth of tiny sticks which i toss out.
This also leaves me with a finely ground powder almost the same grit/texture as the keef I then combine with it and mix well before adding to the clarified butter.

unbiased and objective reviews are difficult for me personally due to my daily smoking intake, LOL. But, when I took 2 I had a nice buzz for most of the night.
Personally, I use them as maintenance. 1 with breakfast, 1 with lunch, with occassional trips outside with my 1-hitter. When I go home, I smoke most of the night. Basically, I've been pleased with my days:thumbsup:
I gave 2 to a friend and he said they lasted for 5 hours and were fantastic when taken together. Then he asked for more:D
I guess that means they are pretty good.:smokin:

I do plan on making another larger batch after I get another batch o nugz:pimp:

[jebus2029]

I use a black & decker coffee grinder. Run it for a couple of minutes and shake it to make sure it keeps hitting the blades. Basically powder by the time it's done. Just make sure to let it settle before opening it. Or you can run it for about 20 to 30 seconds and still have it in small chunks and scrape a huge amount of pollen off the lid. Not sure if it damages the glands heads or not, or whether that would matter for this preparation, but i like the results I've gotten.

[psychodelic]

Happy 420!! Made some of the capsules last night (from the OP's recipe; I made them before, and the results couldn't be better!). Gonna be a GREAT day :jointsmile:

[DATDUDE12]

is it necessary to have gelatin capsules or can i use vegetarian capsules as a substitute?

[jebus2029]

Use gelatin. The vegetarian capsules can leak from contact with oil.

[EatWeed]

hello,

I just joined this site for this thread. I've smoked this stuff for 10 years but i haven't been inspired to try cooking it until this thread. so :thumbsup: to the scientists here. This could be my new thing.. if i can get it right.

I tried this friday night, and it kind of worked. I think my ratio was off and the temp was too high since it smelled in the other room.

I got a sack of high-grade mids, its leafy outdoor stuff but has a fair amount of orange hairs and some dankish looks but still a cousin of scwag in some ways but no seeds. strange bud, not the greatest, but if i do 4 or 5 bong rips it packs a little zing. I figured it's perfect to try since I don't want to waste some real shit until I know this works.

Anyway, I got a crock pot and extra virgin organic coconut oil (this really is great stuff). I used my grinder 2x on the bud to steal the kif. Then I pushed it through the screen on this sifter I got at target that actually has a pretty fine screen. :) I took a level teaspoon of this real fine weed powder, and mixed it with about 1.25 tablespoons of the oil in a 4" round pyrex dish. Put this in the crockpot on low for 2 hrs 15 mins.

I pulled it out, poured the oil back over the sifter, pressed on the bud to squeeze more down, and discarded that stuff that was still on top. The oil was a dark army or olive green. I ate a bunch of it last night.. felt a little something but not like others have described, a good body high when I went to bed but that's it.

SO I am going to try again today, I'm going to tweak the ratio (more bud) and remove the lid every 45 minutes or so to stir. I am also going to use the bud as well as the oil this time.

My question is, I don't have a scale, how much is 1.5 grams in tablespoon units? And how much is 7 grams of coconut oil also?

I didn't bother with the capsule mess, just pour it on the plate and eat what looks like 3 capsules. After that didn't work I ate what was probably 8 or 10 so I must have did something wrong

[EatWeed]

ok well I did it again, this time with more bud and a little longer cooking time. better results, but still looking for more. I am having some trouble walking and have a great body high but am still well grounded. I also smoked a bit and it seems to work much better, i.e. they work in tandem :rastasmoke:

I think the problem is the lousy bud, next time I will have some good nugget to experiment with. I am also looking for a small oven thermometer to watch the temp a bit closer, I still smelled up the house a bit. I am working with a Rival 4 qt. oval crockpot, preheated on low, with lid and in a pyrex dish - is that too hot? I ended up going out instead of periodically removing the lid and stirring like I wanted to, I think that would help also

[ky1956]

With any type of oral consumption the results you get are heavily tied to the product you start with. The high end stuff that is trippy to smoke will have a similar effect orally (depending on the dosage.

[jebus2029]

Hi EatWeed, I think I can help you some with making the capsules, or you can also check out weedhounds thread. I learned a lot from that one also. I'll just go through your post and give some comments on what works for me. You had high-grade mids. That's fine but the better the weed the better the capsule. I've started using fire mids because I can get a higher ratio bud:oil that way. Right now I get about .2g per cap. or just below and from the sound of your tolerance you might want to move up your ratio. I use equal number of tsp of oil to grams of herb. So 7g of herb would get 7 tsp of oil. I'll get about 35-40 caps with this. Your mix of 1.25 tbsp of oil to 1 tsp of herb seems light.

As for grinding, personally I like to run my coffee grinder for about 2 minutes alternating between pulsing, 10 sec hold where I shake it and full start and stops, to try and chop it super fine. Then I open it and scrape the lid and the grinder(you can run it again to get the lid to fill with resin again, I usually do this about 3 or 4 times). I don't bother with a sifter. You want to keep the plant matter in it all the way into the pills. Also I would use a smaller dish than the 4" one. I use a small porcelain coffee cup, or a small ramekin, or an egg holder, depending on the amount I use.

Putting the crockpot on low should be okay. At least it is with mine. I got a $4 over thermo from walmart. Stays steady at 247 degrees, except when I remove the lid it drops to about 220. Check the temp for all 3 settings if you get a thermo. Make sure to leave it on each setting for at least an hour to get it up to temp, and start with the lowest with testing, it can take some time for the temp to drop to its steady lvl. I stir about every hour or hour and a half for about 4 or 5 times. Then I usually go to bed and let it cook over night. Not sure if this is a good idea it's just the way I do it.

Then I turn it off and take out the dish. I pour everything into a soft plastic mesh kitchen strainer I got from a dollar store into one of the 3 dishes I use. Let it stand for about 30 minutes to make sure it is drained of oil and everything has cooled down. During this time I'll fill the caps into the machine. For every gram i load 5 caps(I'm usually right with margin of error of about 5 or less).Then I use an eyedropper to put 10 drops of oil into each cap. I put all the plant matter back into the cup. Then I use small knives to pick up a small bit of herb and place it into each indivudual cap with a cap-m-quick filler. If you don't have steady hands (or patientsfor something so tedious) you can just dump the herb on the filler and scrape it into the caps with a credit card, but I feel this would lead to a lot of the oil being wasted so I don't do it. Although if you are making bulk amounts then I would do the cc method.

Then I close up the caps. Make sure to give em a good little squeeze to close them. You should feel it lock in. If you have the cap filled over the brim it will probably leak out just a tiny bit. I like my caps clean so I do my best not to spill on the outside of them when filling or to overfill them. Then I throw them in a small container and put them in a drawer in the fridge to keep the light exposure down to a minimum. I don't like them in the freezer. I personally think they go bad faster. At least they would tend to give me a headache if they were in there for too long. I try not to make more than a months worth at a time. Plus you can build up a tolerance to them if you are taking the same strain cap everyday for a few weeks.

Sorry for being so long winded and I know my way is pretty anal and most people would get fed up with it, but to all you people out there with OCD this might be the recipe for you.

Oh and I don't know how much 1.5g is in tbs units, but I would approximate a tsp to about 1 gram. I'm not positive, just a guess. I would try a tsp of oil to a tsp of ground herb.

You can find everything you need on amazon or or wholesale websites. Scale, caps, cap machine. The kitchen stuff at walmart. You have the coco oil already, but most health food stores carry it also. Just keep making small batches, and try to get precice with your recipe. Took me a half dozen tries before I felt like I knew what I was doing and I still constantly ask questions to see what input other people might have about little things I come across. Definitely get that thermometer too just to give you an idea of what temps you are running. 220 to 260 I think would be ideal. 250 is great for me.

Good luck and let us know how your future batches come out.

[fhs1718]

How much coconut oil was used?

[west1n]

I had to make an account to tell you thanks. Planning on trying it out as soon as i can get the supplies together, great guide!:thumbsup:

[cha0n1x]

Ok so a quick summary, I've never cooked with cannabis before, but this recipe caught my attention :-D
I put said materials into a blender and made sure they were all chopped VERY finely, *almost* to the point of powder.

I've put 1tsp of coconut oil into 1g of good bud, and made sure to remove all stems and the 2 or 3 small point leaves that were attached.
I'm planning on making 5-6 capsules and use this as a test.

Now my question (Sorry it took so long to get to the point hehe)
It's been half an hour and the coconut oil has melted, but it is still a clear colour, the cannabis however seems to have turned a darker brownish colour.
Is this correct, or should I be doing something differently?

[cha0n1x]

Sorry for the new post, I don't know how (if it's possible) to edit a previous post on these forums so I just hit reply and here I am.

I put the crockpot on high, and the oil is already turning a lovely green colour, so I'm going to leave it on high for few hours (checking it every 15-20 minutes and changing temperature if it begins to smell/vaporize)

I can't wait to try these things, should be great - MASSIVE thanks to FlameOn and WeedHound for their efforts in this, i've been worried about cooking with cannabis for a long time but using a slow-cooker I'm much more in my element :-)

[phatsesh101]

ive noticed with buds it works better if u do the oven thing then leave it on low like 4-5 hours.

[cha0n1x]

I dont know if this batch turned out really well or not, but I'm making another batch on Tuesday so I'll try to decarb them (That's the oven thing I'm assuming?), and then put them on low in a slow-cooker for 5 hours :-D

I will have to upload pics later on to show you, but I took the weakest capsule and it's so far given me a nice floaty feeling (about 2 hours in)
There's 1 that has about 3x as much of the solution in it, so I'm going to try that one tomorrow in the morning and see if I'm rolling around lunch-time hehe

Even if the recipe didnt work for me this time, it's definitely easilly enough to repeat :-D

[cha0n1x]

Just a quick update: Tried 2 of them, and neither worked very much :(
Had some food and that was awesome, but overall not a REALLY strong high
I suspect it's because the coconut oil that I used was a cheap brand, and i dont think it was pure coconut oil/didnt have the right nutrients to absorb the most thc
So i'm going to try another small batch of 6 caps from ~1g of bud.

The plan is to leave the mixture to set in the egg cup, and then spoon it out so that it's easier to cap (I tried capping the liquid/plant matter today, it's not easy w/a syringe if you cant get your weed powdered hehe)
Anyway, I may or may not decarb the bud first, as I read somewhere on another forum that when using in slow-cooker with the oil, it decarbs gradually and then begins to combine with the oil.

Can anyone verify/confirm/deny/disprove this?
Either way i just want it clarified hehe

[JonJeff]

I am making some right now.
i personally found that it is way easier to control the temp and water getting in the ramican(sp?) to just use an empty pan with the pyrex rami in the center of the pan and the temp on between min and 2 and it keeps it right in between 225f-250f. This shit smells delicious i might just eat it all at once that would be hilarious!!! :S2:
i also added my bud to the coconut oil the night previous for maximum absorption of the weed to oil.
i'll let you guys know how they turn out..
peace

[JonJeff]

ok so i got them all capsuled up and stuff look exactly like they should i took one and licked ll the excess oil off the plate that i used to cap it up i am def feeling high i havent smoked for a few hours and i feel like i just smoked...

[JonJeff]

okay so the caps i made were pretty good didnt smoke weed all day yesterday and by the time i got some it was take like 2 or 3 hours after i just popped 2 and didnt even feel like smoking i was already high. but those were with the AK-47 i have some regs(mids) thes time.
im trying to cut costs. they cost me like 3.25 each last time and this way its only under .25 . i know that i will have to take more but thats ok still cheaper. i would have to 13 for one of the other ones.

oh and i switched to using oven at like 235F keeps it a lil hotter than that at like 245F and bake for 4-5 hours. i found that grinding in the with oil works quit well to release everything.

[jebus2029]

Regs works great too. Just expect a different high. Plus you can up the dosage by doing this. When I tried using the cheaper stuff I could make each one with twice the amount of weed for less than half the price.

For me a good guide for choosing weed to use is this: If I get a good high off a single bowl and it lasts a while I will use it to make caps. have to smoke a couple of bowls to get high you will have to take a couple of caps to get high.

Also, figure out how much is in each dose. If you started with 5g of cleaned and processed bud and end up with 27 capsules. Then each cap has .185g of herb in it. The average bowl has 2g in it so this would probably be a good strong dose. I use to make them with about .11g in each and I found myself always taking 2 or 3 to get the high I wanted.

You can add vaped weed to them also. Gives it more of a stoney feeling. But don't add more oil because you added vaped weed.

[Flameon]

Hi guys

Not been around for a while so thought Iâ??d drop by to say hello to the old (and new) gang, and say â??Thanksâ?? for all the help, feedback and contributions that this thread has attracted over the â?¦wow, is it really almost two years now? Time sure does fly when youâ??re having fun.

So, I thought Iâ??d take a stab at answering a couple of the outstanding questions, and post up a couple of updated â??hints and tipsâ?? for anyone still encountering difficulty in hitting the â??sweet spotâ?? when making these.

Long term storage of â??rawâ?? THC product, and processed capsules.

Sadly, thereâ??s little scientific research into the long term storage of THC/Cannabis products other than: It degrades over time, and, when exposed to light. But, as to how much potency is lost, and over what period of time? Well, there it gets a bit vague.
As part of my own (unscientific) experimentation, Iâ??ve stored both processed and unprocessed THC/ Cannabis products in both the fridge and freezer, in a variety of forms for over a year now and thought Iâ??d post back on what I think are the best options..
In my experience the â??harsherâ?? environment of the freezer degrades the THC at a slightly faster rate than the fridge.
As part of a test, I prepared two batches of capsules earlier this year using identical THC samples. One had been stored in the freezer for six months, the other, in the fridge. Both had been sealed in vacuum packed plastic containers and kept in complete darkness.
On average, the batch made using the THC stored in the fridge was, based on the opinion of a cross section of â??testersâ??, about 20 percent stronger.
For comparison purposes, they were made â??side-by-sideâ??, cooked at the same temperature and for the same length of time.

In addition, Iâ??ve found that, â??dryâ?? THC products: Kief, powdered bubble hashes, etc do better for long term storage than regular hashes, honey oils, etc.

As far as long term storage of prepared capsules is concerned, my personal recommendation would be the fridge rather than the freezer. Preferably upright in a holder, like the â??Cap-m-quikâ?? container, or a piece of polystyrene (or florists foam) that youâ??ve put capsule sized holes in.
Stored in this way, and using coconut oil as a medium, theyâ??ll still be ok to take for up to a year, though you will lose some potency. Itâ??s a little harder to estimate but in my experience Iâ??d expect to lose somewhere around 30 percent of their original potency over the period of a year (assuming theyâ??ve been stored as outlined above).
Would love to hear anyone elseâ??s experiences of long term storage though, so feel free to post up any info. All help gratefully received.

[Flameon]

Gelatin or Vegetarian Capsules?

Firstly, as far as getting the THC into your system is concerned, both do the job equally well. However, there are some Pros and Cons to both.

Ethically some people may not feel happy about using Gelatin capsules due to them being made from animal products (donâ??t ask where they come from if your not a vegetarian, I wouldnâ??t want to put you off, lol.).
However, from a construction point of view, the Gelatin capsules are stronger and firmer than their vegetarian counterparts making them slightly easier to handle when filling.
The thinner construction of the vegetarian capsules makes them feel somewhat â??flimsyâ?? in comparison. Also, as a consequence, they can be prone to leakage if not stored upright, and particularly if the oil used remains in liquid form.

Iâ??ve also noted that the â??smellâ?? and â??tasteâ?? of the oil permeates the vegetarian capsule membrane over time, and this can be particularly off putting for people who arenâ??t keen on the taste when they swallow them. This effect is accelerated and worsened if they are stored loosely together (part of the reason I suggest separating them out in the â??long term storageâ?? section above).

Aside from these issues, either type will dissolve within five minutes of use, so just bear in mind how, and how long you intend to store and use them.
Hope that helps.

[Flameon]

Cooking times and temperatures.

The most critical aspect of the process.

Here I must say a big â??Thank Youâ?? to all the people who took the time and trouble to post up there personal experiences (good and bad), you guys really helped refine the process and showed everyone else what the potential pitfalls can be and how to avoid them. Cheers on behalf of us all â?? you know who you are.

As itâ??s already been covered in some detail Iâ??ll keep this part brief, but to reiterate Weedhoundâ??s most excellent advice, keep it slow and steady.
Around 225 to 250 Fahrenheit is fine.
Everyoneâ??s cooker will operate at slightly different temperatures, so get an accurate thermometer if you can, and if you want to perfect the technique, prepare a batch of oil in a cup or similar (Pyrex lab wear if you want to be really accurate) and try a couple. Give it a couple of days for your tolerance to reset, reheat the oil again at a higher temp or for a longer time, and sample again. Hell itâ??s fun, and the benefits are, youâ??ll end up using less THC for a stronger â??highâ?? when youâ??ve got the method right for your kit.

Keep up the good work
Cheers
Flameon

[JonJeff]

tahnks flame works so good

[jebus2029]

My crockpot has a keep warm setting that keeps the temp around 160f I believe. Could I cook it on this setting for like 24 hours? Then there would be no risk of losing anything. I would think that over that period of time the THC would convert to its active form.

[wingedson]

Jebus2029, I don't think that temp is high enough to really extract much THC my friend. I think it needs something over the 200 degree mark to begin breaking down.

[jebus2029]

Even over long periods of time? Like 24 hours? I would think it would break it down over that long a period. Like how you bake it at 300 for 5 minutes when making green dragon, or you can bake it at 200 for 20 minutes. I would think an even longer period at a lower temp would work. I am sure there is a limit to how low you can go. I just don't have the herb to experiment with :)

[ProtoJoe]

Flameon, you sir should be praised and respected! Great thread!

But I had to sign up to ask a question, I'm sure it was answered sometime in the past three years, but reading through 30somthing pages is pain.

For the pan and mixing bowl method, how long should the mixture be left in the pan for?

And this one might be kind of stupid but I need to ask, would a rice cooker sufice as crock pot?

Also wanted to add, Magic Bullet is perfect for turning grass to powder.

[BBoyShotty]

this is a great thread..first off, BIG thanks for post thishttp://boards.cannabis.com/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif

Now, ive tried making edibles many times, and all but one were a complete fail--and even teh one taht did work, im not too sure how well it did--. Anyways, im making a batch in my crockpot right now, and the temps im reading now are getting me a little bit concerned. I have my crockpot on low, and when i test the liquid with my candy thermometer, it reads 320f+/-. Im not too concered with that temp and the thc vaping, as i remember the temp for vapourization is higher than 350f..BUT i was reading that you simmer yours on low, and you get temps at 225/235?

What should i do? Should i cook it for less time? maybe 1-2 hours? Or should i just crack the lid a bit and let it simmer at a lower temp?

[jebus2029]

Does it have a keep warm setting? If not you could always leave the lid off to keep the temp down. Not sure if it would degrade any faster from open air contact or not. If it's only 5 hours I think it'll be fine

[alias1]

:thumbsup:1st Off Thank U FLAMEON & WEEDHOUND 4 takin the time 2 test and retest THE MIX! Thank U also 4 answering questions and givin suggestions 2 make it a better batch:thumbsup:

A few things that kill me about people posting N here is when they say :
I did EXACTLY what you said and it didn't work!! When questioned on their process its never EXACTLY how they were told how to do it ... U find out they are not using the proper measurements of either oil, weed, or heat.
another 1 is
I read the whole thread ... then later asks ...can U use a crock pot to make this?

AHHHHHH !!!!!! ..Ok I'm calm now ... :jointsmile:
I 1st made a test batch from reading a few pages and actually got a nice buzz ..not killer but ok. I admit becuz it was a test batch I actually made a lot of mistakes in the process that I didn't think would make a difference (still got a buzz tho:smokin:)..... UNTIL I READ it ALLLLL!!!

I kno now that my temps were a bit off on my crockpot due to no way to gauge true temp (jus got a candy thermo)
The bud was only 1g (wonderwoman) and wasn't a FINE GRIND with too much oil. My cook time could have been longer also.
Once I get my coffee grinder today I will make a batch a reply back ....

The main reason why I would like to use this method is 2 reasons.... I want 2 reduce my smoke consumption bcuz its a killer when workin out (starting 2 try and get N shape). Also I travel alot so poppin these will make me feel safer than lighting up in my hotel bathroom ... with the shower runnin and a wet towel under the door:D. Im plannin a week vacation next month and I really want 2 get this mix right. I'm shooting 4 a dose strenght of 2 to 3 pill per day so 25 pills would b my magic number 4 a fun filled vacation..

[alias1]

:thumbsup:1st Off Thank U FLAMEON & WEEDHOUND 4 takin the time 2 test and retest THE MIX! Thank U also 4 answering questions and givin suggestions 2 make it a better batch:thumbsup:

A few things that kill me about people posting N here is when they say :
I did EXACTLY what you said and it didn't work!! When questioned on their process its never EXACTLY how they were told how to do it ... U find out they are not using the proper measurements of either oil, weed, or heat.
another 1 is
I read the whole thread ... then later asks ...can U use a crock pot to make this?

AHHHHHH !!!!!! ..Ok I'm calm now ... :jointsmile:
I 1st made a test batch from reading a few pages and actually got a nice buzz ..not killer but ok. I admit becuz it was a test batch I actually made a lot of mistakes in the process that I didn't think would make a difference (still got a buzz tho:smokin:)..... UNTIL I READ it ALLLLL!!!

I kno now that my temps were a bit off on my crockpot due to no way to gauge true temp (jus got a candy thermo)
The bud was only 1g (wonderwoman) and wasn't a FINE GRIND with too much oil. My cook time could have been longer also.
Once I get my coffee grinder today I will make a batch a reply back ....

The main reason why I would like to use this method is 2 reasons.... I want 2 reduce my smoke consumption bcuz its a killer when workin out (starting 2 try and get N shape). Also I travel alot so poppin these will make me feel safer than lighting up in my hotel bathroom ... with the shower runnin and a wet towel under the door:D. Im plannin a week vacation next month and I really want 2 get this mix right. I'm shooting 4 a dose strenght of 2 to 3 pill per day so 25 pills would b my magic number 4 a fun filled vacation..

UPDATE:smokin:
I couldn't make it out to Walmart for a cheapO grinder ... But I still wanted 2 give this another try becuz when I tested the VCO temps N my cheapo crock pot I found out what a lot of people have discovered.... I have a cheap crock pot! I have 3 settings on my crock .... warm, low, high oh my!! The high setting gets over 300F (porage 2 Hott) the low setting doesn't get over 200F (porage 2 cold) so we wont talk about warm :mad: so basically i followed WeedHound's advice 2 play the temp game .. 2 keep it around 225 for 2.5hrs.. best batch so far ..... I believe without that fine grind I should have cooked it longer .... This next batch should B perfect:dance:

[Flameon]

i followed WeedHound's advice 2 play the temp game .. 2 keep it around 225 for 2.5hrs.. best batch so far ..... I believe without that fine grind I should have cooked it longer .... This next batch should B perfect:dance:

Great job! :thumbsup:

Hope you get a good batch nailed down in time for your vacation.

I took a supply with me over the summer holidays and discovered a whole new sport.
A couple of caps an hour or two after breakfast (before hitting the beach) set up the day fantastically, but the best part... an aqua pack for my ipod and a set of water-proof earphones while snorkeling! Man, not only could I understand what the fish were saying ..but they could understand me. Though I did get a little paranoid when one of the lil' beggars started following me trying to find out what I was on.

Anyhow, have fun and enjoy.
Flameon

[jebus2029]

The main reason why I would like to use this method is 2 reasons.... I want 2 reduce my smoke consumption bcuz its a killer when workin out (starting 2 try and get N shape).

Hi there. I saw you said you want to reduce your consumption to try and get in shape. Why not use weed to your advantage? It may not work for everyone but weed actually helped me to get into shape. I was diagnosed with depression back in 2006 while I was in the military. I had started gaining weight from it(somehow in my mind I thought if I got really fat I could get out of the service) and I was battling suicidal thoughts. They put me on an antidepressant (I think it was zoloft, but I'm not sure of that) and then I just blew up. I got up to 270 lbs (when I joined I was about 165). When I found out I was going to be discharged I weened myself off my meds and was off them about a week before I was back home.

So there I was, 270 lbs, feeling better because I was a free man again, but in desperate need of losing weight. First thing I did when I got home was start smoking with my friends again (which I feel helped saved me from depression). I had to change my diet and I began exercising. I was worried about working out high because I thought I would hurt myself, but that never happened. Weed would make me focus when I needed to (like when lifting weights), and was excellent for cardio (you can zone out much easier).

I recommend trying it sometime as long as you can stay in control. Get on a elliptical while high and just go to town. If you disconnect your mind from what your body is doing you won't get tired nearly as fast and you will notice you are going faster too. Control your breathing too. If you are breathing fast you get tired fast. Nice slow breathes through the nose. It may take some practice and it might be a little scary at first doing it in front of other people, but no one will really pay close enough attention to know. A few times people have called me out on it but in each case they laughed about it and said how they do it too sometimes.

If you can join a 24 hour gym I would go with that. I would smoke about 11 at night go into the gym and do 1.5 hours of cardio broken by 3 sets of weight training, lunges, or whatever else I wanted to do. There were barely ever any other people in there. Also bring an ipod with your music whenever you workout. It will make a huge difference also.

I was down to 155 lbs in exactly 1 year and a day from the time I started to exercise (I was focusing on cardio and didn't really push myself to gain muscle mass). Then over the following year I went up to about 185 by putting on muscle. Since then I've hovered right around 170 (I haven't been working out due to an elbow injury I got while trying new exercises without the correct form).

I would sometimes use the caps for this too. I might hit my single hitter and pop 2 caps just before going to the gym. That way I would have a mild buzz walking in, when I would most likely be talking to people, and by the time it wore off the caps would start kicking in. I find working out speeds up the onset of them also. The feeling of the caps is totally different for working out also. The first time I tried was a little weird. My body felt kinda mushy while doing cardio.

Man that was long winded. I guess it's not really related to the caps, other than the fact that I would take them before working out sometimes, but I thought this could help you or someone else out. Good luck.

[alias1]

Great job! :thumbsup:

Hope you get a good batch nailed down in time for your vacation.

I took a supply with me over the summer holidays and discovered a whole new sport.
A couple of caps an hour or two after breakfast (before hitting the beach) set up the day fantastically, but the best part... an aqua pack for my ipod and a set of water-proof earphones while snorkeling! Man, not only could I understand what the fish were saying ..but they could understand me. Though I did get a little paranoid when one of the lil' beggars started following me trying to find out what I was on.

Anyhow, have fun and enjoy.
Flameon

Flameon .... glad your trip had "good :bigsmoke: trips" ......My trip was nice but the caps didn't come out well....
Here's the run down...

I tried a few b4 I left and they gave me an ok buzz ....But when I arrived in San Diego ..not 1 pill worked :( not sure what happened N the transport except being n a pocket inside my pants for a 4+ hr flight. I froze them before I left an a few did leak when I arrived but not a lot leaked. Now here the funny part .... Not 1 pill gave me a buzz (even took 2 at a time and nothing) My wife and I went to a shop and picked up some MJ cookies from a medical supplier (I figured i can gauge the high on a pro supply)..... we both ate a cookie each and nothing!!! ...... The next day we jus smoked trainwreck from the shop and it had me baked.

I wont give up on the CAPs becuz I got buzzed a few times with different testing ..... I was jus surprised that cookies from a medical shop didn't do crap for us and my friend said they will get U stoned!!

[moz2009]

WOW! cant wait to try this. sounds like a blast! nice 1.:thumbsup:

[alias1]

I wont give up on the CAPs becuz I got buzzed a few times with different testing ..... I was jus surprised that cookies from a medical shop didn't do crap for us and my friend said they will get U stoned!!

Flameon .... can't thank U and The hound family ENUFFFF 4 sharing all ur trail and errorz .... inPut/Output etc ... Thankz 2 all whoever posted a question on this process ...They work and it is better than smokin by farrrr!! This should be a book !!!!

[alias1]

Man that was long winded. I guess it's not really related to the caps, other than the fact that I would take them before working out sometimes, but I thought this could help you or someone else out. Good luck.

Thankz 4 the input Jebus... I do notice it more in cardio .. like the caps buzz basically better..(jus the smoke on the enhale getz me exhausted doing cardio) .. but I kno what your sayin ..

[jebus2029]

Do you have a vape alias? That might help with the breathing during cardio. Smoking does affect me during cardio but I've noticed that if I ignore it and breathe through my nose I don't really get winded by it, but you may need to build up to it. I'd say try a vaporizer. Should make breathing a lot easier.

[jebus2029]

Hey Flame, since it's been just over 2 years from the day you started this thread I thought I'd see if you have tweeked your process any. Have any new tips you'd like to throw out to us? Or maybe a whole new guide with new variations?

[wingman580]

Thats freaking awesome. So detailed, a lot of time and effort went into this and I plan to try it ASAP. I'll post my experience. Thankyou very much for sharing.

Dude

That is the shit thank you I am adisabled man in my 40's who can not eat regularly due to meds and unbelievable pain that I am always in, I just quit smoking ciggarettes and do not want to smoke anything as I have only one lung.

Thanks
wingman580

[penman815]

do they have to be kept frozen.. with parents at home it would be hard hard to keep in freezer all the time

[jebus2029]

They don't need to be kept frozen. I personally think the fridge works better. You can keep them at room temp also but they will degrade faster. If you don't plan on keeping them for longer than a week or two they will be fine. Store them in a dark place though.

[hydrobinol420]

It didn't worked with weed for me... so I did some with .5 of kief and .5 of hash that get higher than kief. I ate 6 capsules... god damn i never tought pot could do this.. hahaha nice one :jointsmile: :thumbsup:
It was crazy

[LuvitHeart]

Greetings Flameon,
I know it's be said.. But I must add my 2 cents in.... Absolutely, postively, The greatest post I seen on the making of capsules from a to z everything is included... My biggest THANKS I will give this a try real soon (:

[jebus2029]

The only downside I've noticed from the caps is the tolerance. The first one I take will get me ripped, but within a day or 2 I'm taking 4 or 5 and just getting buzzed. It might be edibles in general but my tolerance shoots through the roof when I'm taking capsules. I've heard others mention this too. Mostly about green dragon however. Is it common to build up a tolerance quickly to edibles?

[greenlovingirl]

hi everyone! i've enjoyed reading this, though i admit, after page 20 i just skipped to the last.

please don't look down on me for my ignorance, i'm just a little redneck mountain girl that loves her green. :) kinda ashamed to admit it here, but i smoke out of a one hitter that used to be a keychain, and the ends where you screw them off are so stripped from years of use that it's a pain to keep all three parts connected. about 5 hits from it does me good. at times i can roll a decent joint..lol. i'm poor, but luckily i have a friend to gives me some from time to time. definitely not the best, but not the worst. shwag to mids (i assume). i've never used it in any other way other than smoking, though i have heard of brownies, and i'm so intrigued to try something else other than smoking, especially when i go visit family, it's hard to make excuses to go to the store every few hours!

i'm not looking to get knocked on my ass, i still need to funtion for daily family stuff. i want the effect of smoking, without actually smoking. smoking works great, but lately i've had this nagging feeling that my lungs don't like it anymore. i love the idea of the capsules and think its a great way to prolong my supply. (or is this the wrong method for me? should i look into something else) i just have a few questions...i'm sorry if i missed them while i was reading...

i have no scales, and no clue how much i get when i get it. can anyone break down the recipe into measurements other than grams or ounces? (as in, when i grind it up, how much would i need (tsp, tbsp?) i'm thinking it will take a few times of experimenting to get just right, and i don't want to end up wasting too much of what little i get. like i said, i'm looking for a nice buzz, and with using stuff that isn't the greatest ever (i never knew that it green had so many different names! i told ya, i'm a redneck girl, we get what we can when we can!) i think i can get the rest of the procedure down, just need to get a thermomoter. but i don't want to try anything until i make sure i know just how much to use.

i'm sorry if i sound so lame and ignorant. and please don't think of me and as idiot jumping into something i know nothing about. i don't want to try anything until i'm confident and sure of what i am doing. i have no intention of trying this method until i completely and fully understand it. which is why i haven't just thrown it in and see what happened..lol.

oh, and for what it's worth, the stuff i get, is ready to be smoked. is this what what you are using, or do you use freshly picked herb? tried growing my own but freaked out when i came home and saw cops parked in my yard (turns out they were just there for the neighbors, and my plant only got like six inches high..lol. but it still freaked me out!).

sorry for the long post and numerous questions, but i'm seriously interested in this method and would like to try it, but i don't want to go into it completely stupid with no clue what i'm doing and just hope for the best. i want good results, even if it takes a while, i want to start out making the smallest amount so i can experiment until i find the perfect combination to make in bigger batches. :)

If you read this far, you get a cookie! (sorry, not the good kind as I don't know how to do them yet, but youll get one when I learn!).

Thanks a bunch! Hope yall enjoy green as much as I do! :)

[Flameon]

Keep up the good work guys!

Thanks to all who have contributed so far (especially my friend and co-conspirator 'weedhound' - I miss you girl x - God bless you).

Jebus you are my ambassador of kwan!
In terms of 'tweaking' the process, I've tried some new variations on the methods listed, but nothing that I think is a significant improvement on what is already known.

If anyone wants to get immersed in the process, there's no substitute for a reliable 'slow cooker', an accurate set of scales and some Pyrex measuring jugs.
These days, I tend to make batches of 100 at a time, and therefore, a plastic syringe and a 'cap-me-quick' holder are essential (otherwise it takes quite while by hand).
If you can source good strength oils (or 'budder'), that also makes the process easier in terms of replicating a standard level of potency per capsule made, same applies to a good hash.

Using the 'green stuff' (dried cannabis, NOT fresh), can produce awesome results (sometimes far more 'stoney' than you'd get from processed cannabis products, i.e. oil/hash/etc), but is often more 'trial and error' than other methods.

Tolerance is always an issue no matter what the delivery method, my own personal usage is to leave about 48 hours before 'going again'.

P.S. For those of you who enjoy the cinema, these things and 3D films were made for one another (just get a designated driver - and keep me happy).
Alice in wonderland anyone . . ?

Stay safe and enjoy
Flameon

[psychotoad]

In the truest definition you are not in possession of marijuana, however it would be possible to be charged with a paraphanalia charge. If you had a couple you could argue they were for you and you alone(but if you only had a couple why didn't you swallow them when you saw the flashing lights?) if you had several/several hundred you would be dealing with distribution/trafficking charges. I could be wrong but That would be my interpretation of the law as it is written in my locale. Also I have to give Flameon CRAZY, INSANE, MAD props for his post, I have a capmquick device and some empty capsules(don't ask) and now I am gonna take a shot at this!

[Graywolf]

Hi FM!

As you suggest, I have been able to travel where ever I wanted with concentrates, absolutely never illegially of course, and attracted zero notice regardless of where I went.

As we all know, the MMJ card proscribes medicating openly in public, but allows us to medicate discretely.

GW

[bommod]

Hi All,

This is my first time posting here on cannabis.com. I tried this pills last week with 3 Grams of good bud (finely grinned) and 3 TBS of Ghee but i didn't get any effect, until I took 6 of them. I think I may have put the heat on too high on my crock pot, or maybe 2 hours is too long for the lowest setting on my crock pot.

Any ideas?

[cocomuffs]

am i gonna strian the bud out of the finished oil?

[jebus2029]

I strain it to make it easier to handle, but everything goes into the capsules.

[jebus2029]

Hi All,

This is my first time posting here on cannabis.com. I tried this pills last week with 3 Grams of good bud (finely grinned) and 3 TBS of Ghee but i didn't get any effect, until I took 6 of them. I think I may have put the heat on too high on my crock pot, or maybe 2 hours is too long for the lowest setting on my crock pot.

Any ideas?

You should have done 3 teaspoons not tablespoons. Your oil to herb ratio was too high. Also 2 hours may not be enough. I let mine go for 12 hours usually. Plus it takes a long time to get the crockpot up to temp. You want it to be simmering for at least a few hours. I doubt you had the temp too high. Most crockpots high setting is around 250-300 F I believe. I would also recommend using coconut oil instead of ghee, although ghee does work just fine.

[HashCaps]

First thanks to Flameon for sharing this Information. My first attempt to follow the recipe, was with using the make shift double boiler. Small amount of water splashed into the floating bowl. Only lost the last couple of capsules by sucking the water up with the coconut oil. The remaining capsules worked great for an all night medication for sleep and joint pain.
Sense the first batch, I have filled hundreds of capsules, and have had no complaints from those I have given them to. Just request for the recipe. I now follow the recipe and use the oven set to 200º F. Placing the Hash and the oil into 4 or 7 ounce oven safe bowl. Every ten to fifteen minutes open the oven and stir, for no less than one and a half hours. As in Flameons post higher temperatures with longer cook time make for more of a heavier body high.
I also am using a Cap-M-Quik capsule machine, which holds 50 of the "00" capsules. To save time I will make a couple hundred capsules at a time. I take two to three capsules to sleep at night. Best sleep aid ever, have used several different kinds. Will not wake up for seven to eight hours, barely even move during the night. To make things simpler for me I us one oven safe bowl per each batch of 50 capsules. Making it easier to split the reaming Hash equally between each capsule.
Best stifle medicine around, tincture not bad substitute though. For me it is easier than medibles. I do not know anyone whom would sneak a capsule without knowing what is inside. But have had to hide or sneak eat the cookies, to keep them away from unsuspecting overeater's.:jumphappy:

[locuststar]

The Canna-oil Method: If using a Pan and Mixing Bowl

Pour around three inches of boiling water into your cooking pan, then sit the mixing bowl in the water so that itâ??s floating just off the bottom (very important â?? see picture), add the oil or Ghee (clarified butter) to the mixing bowl and let it melt, then add your hashish, kief or powdered bud and dissolve slowly while keeping the lid on and the boiling water just barely simmering beneath.

N.B. Floating the mixing bowl in the water and keeping the lid on prevents â??burning offâ?? the THC which evaporates/vaporises at high temperatures (around 140 centigrade plus). The boiling water keeps the butter/oil at the perfect temperature of around 100 degrees centigrade (boiling point) to slowly â??wringâ?? out every last molecule of â??spacey goodnessâ??!.


It was probably already mentioned in this thread... but how long do you cook the bud/coconut oil for using the pan and mixing bowl method?

[daoidavi]

I am new on this site. Can some one tell me please:
1. If I want to plant some seeds is necessaruy to put them first for 24 hour in a glass of water and than in the earth?
2.After 24 hours the seeds will germinate, can you tell me please the germinate part who goes out(emerges) from the seed will be the root or the steam?
I mean how I must put the germinated seeds in the earth? With germinate part down or up? And how deep I must put the seed in the erth?
Thank you!
Have a great day!

[daoidavi]

Can someone tell me this: after growth, flowerring and harvest, the female plant will die or will start an other cycle of life?
Thank you!

[rowbaretow]

ok so i made this with kief and hash, worked amazing, took 4 pills and it freaking got me soooo stoned. good job.

[locuststar]

I just can't seem to get this to work.

I have used vaporized weed 2 times, and also fresh (yet rather low grade) weed just the other day. Last night I took 3 capsules and felt NOTHING. I wonder if I'm just cooking it at the wrong temperature. I used 1.5g of grounded bud, simmering in a crockpot on low/212 F for 2 hours. I am following the instructions as best as I can, and still nothing.

1. Is the temperature too high? It hovers at about 212 Fahrenheit.
2. Am I cooking it for too long?

[OrganicGringo]

Ok... So this is my first post! I read the entire thread as well as some other related threads. I am now cooking my first batch. I am a MMJ patient and if I get these to work it will be great. I will update once they are tested. Has only been 1/2 hour in the convection toaster oven temperatures are steady at 235F. I am using 1.5G of Purple Diesel :thumbsup: and 1.5 tsp of coconut oil. :hippy:

[OrganicGringo]

Well it has been 2 1/2 hours since I took 2 capsules. Don't really feel anything... I will continue to wait for a couple more hours...:(

[OrganicGringo]

Alright. Here is the update. I took 2 capsules at 1pm and a friend took 2 at 2pm. Around 4:30 we still hadn't felt anything. So we took two more... 6:00 pm came and we were wasted! My eyes were zig-zagging all over. I couldn't stop smiling and then I got really tired. Went to bed at 8pm. I literally slept walked to the bathroom and couldn't remember going. I also fainted in the bathroom and then I woke up. Woke up at 6:30 still wasted. I have never slept walked in my life. I haven't fainted ever either! Great Stuff! I think 1 would have been plenty. Just wish it hit sooner than 5 hours.

[chinGON]

Do you get same Red-Eyed effect from pills as you do from smoke or is it less severe?

[1234598765]

haha this may just be a new way to bring them on a plane in you're regular medications capsoles and they would never know. infact you could mix em in with some and just give them a marking only you would notice and get blasted.

[Jerseylad]

Ello All..

Well this is my 3rd time at trying the caps... Tried a few weeks ago with just grabbing some widow and filling up a couple of caps... schoolboy error i know..

Last night did a bit of widow in some other solid olive oil, cooked it in a broiler for about 15 mins... not sure if that had too much affect as had a few pipes as well.

But i'm determined to get it right! Read this post last night at silly o'clock and decided to go to town and buy some supplies.

Got slow cooker, egg cups measuring spoons, finally found some coconut oil as well!

used 1g of ZeroZero to make this and a pinch of green - i'm lucky as a mate grows it! The zerozero is expensive here though!

So waiting till later to try the caps. Only had 0 sized caps though so will have 2 i think.. So hope its good! WIll post back later ( if i can ) and let you know how it goes.

Nice one!

[SoHigh420]

i never woulda thought about how to do this!!!:thumbsup:

[Jerseylad]

Ah man... just coming up now i think...

see ya on the flip side

[Jerseylad]

HI Jst to let you know that it all went ok the other night... good times. Thing was though i was using size 0 caps.

I've ordered some 00 from the net and have just finished cooking up a batch in the slow cooker. Only thing is though that the caps are kinda only half full?

I dont know if flame still reads this post as i know it was a few years ago ( i'm only up to reading to page 16! ) But is this right? I measured out the oil in the measuring spoons.. 1.5 teaspoons.. cooked between 80 - 120 left it cool and sucked up the oil in a syringe and then scooped out the rest.. and err not quite what i was expecting Have i done summit wrong or is this just how it is?

Loving them so far though... blazed last night with the other caps!

[SunCelt]

[quote=Flameon].

Simply set the cooker to â??lowâ?? (around 80/90 degrees centigrade), add the ghee/oil and then the hash/kief or bud and leave to slowly simmer for the required time.

1 hour for hash.
1 and half hours for kief.
2 hours for bud.

______________

Do you leave the crock on for only 2 hours for bud or do you heat it up first, bring it to a simmer, then count 2 hours?

[lucky12]

thanks everyonefor this its like the golden fleece. okay did everything but do you believe i forgot to use left over paste residue. i just got the oil. will i get any effects

[jdp92130]

Hey, I was just wondering. When youre finished cooking the oil and bud, in my case, do you drain the remainder of the bud out with cheesecloth before filling the capsules, or do you just go ahead and pour it into the capsule with the bud still in it?
Thanks!

[Cloud203]

Finally decided to try this. I ordered some gel caps from ebay, and some extra virgin coconut oil from Amazon.

I already got my coconut oil, now I'm just waiting on the caps.... I don't have a scale currently, so does anyone have another method of measuring out weed? (can anyone tell me how much weed is in a tsp/tbsp?)

[Cloud203]

It's sad to see this thread not thrive like it used to, after reading through all of it. (Yes, all of it)

I'm finally attempting this myself. As I type this, I have my entire keif supply (Which I hope is at least a gram, it filled almost an entire mint tin. I have no scale which is why I can't be sure) simmering in a crock pot that's currently sitting at 203 Degrees Fahrenheit with 2 1/2 tsp. of Extra virgin coconut oil. I'm really crossing my fingers on this one, and I hope things turn out well.

I'll be posting back occasionally with updates.

[Cloud203]

Alright, checking back in roughly 45 minutes later, the room smells fragrant of coconut oil, which is quite pleasant. It's a very dark olive color in the bottom of the stoneware teacup, so I'm assuming my ratio is pretty good. The temperature is now at a steady 210f and I'm going to leave simmering for about another 45 minutes, since it's keif and not bud.

My empty capsules aren't here yet, but when this is finished, I plan on letting it cool, then cutting off a few pill-sized tabs and popping 'em for testing purposes.

Wish me luck everyone. Will report back soon.

[Cloud203]

I've turned the crockpot off about 10 minutes ago, but I decided to leave the contents inside for a bit longer, while it cools down.

It smells a bit more like pot now instead of just coconut oil like it was before, but hardly noticeable at all if you weren't specifically sniffing for it.

I'm about to put it some place cold now and let it sit so it'll set.

I hope this batch doesn't turn out disappointing. I'll be sure to post back later with trial results.

[Cloud203]

Alrighty. Back.

I popped it in the freezer for a bit to cool, and it solidified really well. I popped about what I estimated to be, about 2 capsules worth, since I don't actually have the capsules at this time. everything LOOKED okay. I'm hoping this turns out well, since I used my entire keif supply on this trial.

I consumed at roughly 1:38PM CST, so I'll be coming back after awhile to report how I feel.

WISH ME LUCK!

[Cloud203]

Notes after consuming roughly 2 pills worth of cannacap solution.

consumption occurred at roughly 1:38PM CST.

1:52PM: I feel a very slight feeling of relaxation in my forehead.

It feels as if the feeling is slowly washing over me, with the

starting point being the top mid center of my forehead. This is a

VERY light feeling, and isn't really a "high" feeling, as of yet,

but it's still VERY early, so I'm surprised I'm even feeling

anything at all. I'll just chalk this up to placebo for now.

2:06PM: Almost finished eating some Burger King. Mmm. Nothing new

so far, as far as sensation goes. Feeling pretty normal at the

moment, so I'm guessing the feeling earlier was just in my head

afterall.

2:11PM: Done eating.

2:39PM: Nothing yet. Currently talking on the phone with a friend,

and I'm not yet experiencing any change in my behavior/personality,

so I'd still say it hasn't kicked in yet.

2:43PM: I'm about to go and take a nice hot shower to pass some

time, and to help relax.

3:10PM: My shower is over, and I've yet to feel any familiar

effects, or any effects for that matter. I'm really tempted to

smoke, but for the sake of the test, I'll need to back off for a

bit longer.

3:14PM: Two deep stomach belches have occured that tasted of the BK

eaten earlier. Slight affects felt afterword. Nothing major, just a

slight tingle throughout my body.

3:25PM: no more sensations to report. Sensations felt at 3:14PM may

have been placebo only. Disappointment is plentiful at the moment.

3:31PM: Id be lying if I said I'd felt absolutely nothing at this

point. The sensation I'm currently feeling isn't anything

spectacular, but it's slightly noticable. I'd compare this feeling

to the final stages of a high after you've smoked a bowl, and it's

right about to wear off.

3:42PM same sensations as earlier. Maybe they're slightly stronger

than at 3:31PM, but I can't really gauge it. I'm considering taking

a bong rip while waiting.

3:47PM The sensations come and go. For awhile I feel them, then the

next few minutes I feel absolutely sober. I think I'll actually go

ahead with that bong rip soon, to see if that'll get this show on

the road.

5:12PM After feeling very relaxed around 4:00PM to around 4:30PM,

I'm going to deduce that I may not have had enough keif, although

the mixture appears to be quite even, with the oil used. I'm

guessing it's half strength, since I've taken about 2 pills worth,

and only felt what 1 pill sounds like it should have done. I have a

bit more time to kill, so I'm about to double up now, and take what

I think is 4 pills worth.

5:30PM Just took double the amount I took earlier, which I assume

is 4 pills worth. I'm going to see how this goes. I'm still feeling

pretty high from the bong rip I took around 4:45PM, I'm sure the

earlier consumed weed may be contributing to it. Based on the most

peoples experiences, I should be really feeling it around 7:00PM.

Let's hope so, or I'll be rather disappointed.

7:19PM Nothing. Absolutely nothing. I'm very disappointed, but
honestly, I didn't expect it to be perfect the first time. I feel
this very baseline high, like I took a halfass hit off of a joint.
I don't see how this is possible after using double of what I took
earlier. Time to reheat for longer with a bit more heat. This will
most likely be done tomorrow, as I'm a bit too pissed to be
bothered with it at the moment.

I'll be reporting back tomorrow with the results after simmering for 2 more hours on around 225f.

[Jerseylad]

I think you need to get the temperature up some more..

It took me a few goes to get it right.. try getting the mix up to 230-250.. Should be better...

[Jerseylad]

Little tip...

It does my head in having to measure out the Oil, if its been in the fridge you have to mash it into the measuring spoons and just annoys me... Anything that makes life easier is worth the effort.

What i did was get a fair amount of it into a liquid state and then using a siringe suck up 7ml of the stuff and then put it into an ice cube tray... fill it up and you should be good to go for a while.. Just give the bottom of the tray a rub to ease the release of the oil cube. Each cube is good for 1g of hash / 1.5g of bud. ( going on flame's recipie )

Oh, i also weighed a cube and it was 6.8g. I'm thinking it would have been perfect if it was 7g.. maybe it should be?!

[Cloud203]

I think you need to get the temperature up some more..

It took me a few goes to get it right.. try getting the mix up to 230-250.. Should be better...

230-250 eh? I'll give it a shot. My capsules arrived today, bringing with them, a second wind to give this another shot. I'm about to go out and grab some hydro, and attempt to use that. I'll report back with the results when things get underway.

[Cloud203]

I swear it, I'm going to bring new blood in here! WE NEED NEW BLOOD!

Anyway, here I am, after consuming 2 cannabis capsules. I've taken them 30 minutes ago, so I don't expect to feel anything yet. I'm positive I did everything perfect this time, so if it doesn't work, I'll be finished with this for good.

I'll be sure to report back fellas with the results, and if it's successful, I'll go into details about my process.

Fingers crossed.

[Graywolf]

I swear it, I'm going to bring new blood in here! WE NEED NEW BLOOD!

Anyway, here I am, after consuming 2 cannabis capsules. I've taken them 30 minutes ago, so I don't expect to feel anything yet. I'm positive I did everything perfect this time, so if it doesn't work, I'll be finished with this for good.

I'll be sure to report back fellas with the results, and if it's successful, I'll go into details about my process.

Fingers crossed.

What kind of new blood do you desire?

[Cloud203]

New blood that's active in the community. Sometimes it feels like a ghost town in this section.

[Graywolf]

New blood that's active in the community. Sometimes it feels like a ghost town in this section.

Perhaps lack of respose and interest has turned some resources elsewhere, because of their time limitations.

I know there was so little interest in my postings on cannacaps, that I no longer post or usually even follow this thread.

There may be others that feel the same way.

In my dotage, I no longer try to bend threads to my will, just go where similar thoughts are shared.

This input is not meant to be a putdown of you, this forum, its members, or thread, just noting that you attract those that you are attractive to.

What might the thread do to be more attractive to others?

[starburst112211]

what a sad end

[Jerseylad]

When i sat and read through this forum.. probalby a couple of times.. you got to feel as if you knew the people just a little bit...

Flame and weedhound.. and too many others to mention. You are my silent heroes and have changed the way i use cannabis from now on... So clean, cheap and easy to use.. oh and yes.. i've had 1 tonight if you wondering.. whoever may read this.. :)

It took me a few goes, but i feel happy with how its all turned out..

:thumbsup: nice one

[Korsmith]

Learn the only safe method for making cannabis Flower essential oil from home!:1baa: Best Guide for How to Make Hash Oil on the Internet (http://hotoilpot.com)

[Cloud203]

When i sat and read through this forum.. probalby a couple of times.. you got to feel as if you knew the people just a little bit...

Flame and weedhound.. and too many others to mention. You are my silent heroes and have changed the way i use cannabis from now on... So clean, cheap and easy to use.. oh and yes.. i've had 1 tonight if you wondering.. whoever may read this.. :)

It took me a few goes, but i feel happy with how its all turned out..

:thumbsup: nice one


I couldn't have said it better myself. I only wish that I could have had the success you've experienced....

[Jerseylad]

If i knew how to PM on this i would.. i'll add you as a contact and see if that works..

[purpleKallday]

There really east to hide plus they dont smell, or look like weed for that matter, but cops punish according to potency and Ive done these and they fuck you right up, so if they could tell what they were i believe there would be a large punishment.:rastasmoke:

[Cloud203]

If i knew how to PM on this i would.. i'll add you as a contact and see if that works..

Looks like they disabled the PM system on here. (For normal members at least)

I can't find a way to PM you either, and I use forums like this daily. Got an MSN or something I can contact you at?

[Jerseylad]

Looks like they disabled the PM system on here. (For normal members at least)

I can't find a way to PM you either, and I use forums like this daily. Got an MSN or something I can contact you at?

I'm also on uk420.com as jerseyboy... hit me up on there...

[b3nault]

Keep up the good work guys!

Thanks to all who have contributed so far (especially my friend and co-conspirator 'weedhound' - I miss you girl x - God bless you).

Jebus you are my ambassador of kwan!
In terms of 'tweaking' the process, I've tried some new variations on the methods listed, but nothing that I think is a significant improvement on what is already known.

If anyone wants to get immersed in the process, there's no substitute for a reliable 'slow cooker', an accurate set of scales and some Pyrex measuring jugs.
These days, I tend to make batches of 100 at a time, and therefore, a plastic syringe and a 'cap-me-quick' holder are essential (otherwise it takes quite while by hand).
If you can source good strength oils (or 'budder'), that also makes the process easier in terms of replicating a standard level of potency per capsule made, same applies to a good hash.

Using the 'green stuff' (dried cannabis, NOT fresh), can produce awesome results (sometimes far more 'stoney' than you'd get from processed cannabis products, i.e. oil/hash/etc), but is often more 'trial and error' than other methods.

Tolerance is always an issue no matter what the delivery method, my own personal usage is to leave about 48 hours before 'going again'.

P.S. For those of you who enjoy the cinema, these things and 3D films were made for one another (just get a designated driver - and keep me happy).
Alice in wonderland anyone . . ?

Stay safe and enjoy
Flameon

I have a question with the crockpot method. Maybe anyone who has done it this way with success can answer.

I am not sure I fully understand what to do with the crockpot method. It looks like, from the original posting, that you placed the little shot glass container with the cannabis and oil straight onto the bottom of the crockpot. Now, do you fill the crockpot with water, oil, or nothing at all? It kind of looks like from the pictures on the first page that there is oil at the bottom of the pot.

So, just place the cannabis/oil in a little holder directly into the crockpot and turn on high for 2-3 hours? With no other substances in the crockpot? So does it basically acts like an oven?

Im confused. :wtf:

Thanks for help.

[b3nault]

When I mix the 1.5 teaspoons coconut oil with my 1.5 grams of bud, it looks like there is literally no oil with it. I'm thinking maybe use more oil if one is too use ground bud? Or does it not really matter?

I was hoping it was going to be pure oily looking like his setup on the 1st page (see attached pic) so I could use my syringe, but I guess thats out the window now.

Also, with my above post concerning cooking it with a crockpot, its in regard to this posted picture also.

[dahv]

A few months ago I read through this entire thread and dozens of other related threads. It's pretty amazing to see the work that everyone has done on this. It's also really frustrating that there doesn't seem to be a really good method yet. I decided to give it a shot, and I ended up getting really into making the capsules and documented the process every step of the way. I kept a journal of details about every batch that I made, including ingredients, materials, and methods. I also took capsules in trial runs and documented my reaction to the medicine. I did all (or almost all) of my trial runs without smoking, drinking, or taking any other drugs, so the resulting notes are from the capsules only. I've decided to publish all of my notes here in hopes that someone will pick up on this and make progress with the project. It's been years since this thread was really alive, but think we could definitely still make progress with this. In the following posts are the two batches I documented and all of my trial runs from those batches.

[dahv]

Batch #1
11/18/11

Ingredients:
1) 1g buds
2) 10g coconut oil

Method:
1) Dusted: through a strainer into shot glass (some recovered from paper under glass).
2) Heated: with 250F â?? 265F oil for three hours. No stirring. Little bubbles.
3) Strained: Through strainer into a shot glass.
4) Injected: with a syringe.
5) Filled: 12
6) Cooled: In the freezer until hard.
7) Kept: In refrigerator in a bag.

Notes:
1) Weight: 0.8-0.9g

[dahv]

Trial 1: 11/19/11
9:00pm - Ate one cap. Smoked a lot earlier and had an exhausting day but not high anymore. Just ate but didnâ??t stuff myself. Planning to stay in tonight and watch TV and read.
9:44pm - Have been feeling some slight effects for a while. At first they could easily have been placebo but Iâ??m now starting to think it might be real. Eye pressure is changing. Watching a TV show about people getting tattoos of animals that have passed away and feeling weepy high.
9:55pm - Iâ??m high! But Iâ??m not sure what I would pay for it yet. Iâ??m definitely feeling high. This might actually be too much for a school day. Feeling cottonmouth. I need to get away from writing this.
10:53pm - Iâ??m feeling less high now. Iâ??m not really doing anything though so I might just be getting used to it. Maybe I should go out on a walk.
11:20pm - Only residual effects now.
12:00am - No more high.

Trial 2: 11/20/11
1:00pm - Ate two caps. Recently woke up, havenâ??t eaten or smoked at all today.
1:10pm - Tummy growling, placebo effects starting. Just burped with weed breath. My stomach feels a little uneasy right now. May not be a good idea to take them on a completely empty stomach. Ripping lots of gas.
1:30pm - Feeling something but it's slight.
1:53pm - Well I'm definitely high. I can feel my eye pressure. This is not good enough yet though.
2:16pm - I'm so high.
2:30pm - I'm still feelin high. Eye pressure is strong. Starting to forget whatâ??s going on.
2:50pm - Still high! May be worth 10 bucks.
3:12pm - Smoked a blunt and now I'm fucking high as a motherfucker.
Went on a very long high walk and came back hours later totally beat.

Trial 3: 11/21/11
1:30pm - Took three caps. They were in a bag in my pocket and the oil inside was liquid when I took them. Does the coconut oil change after cooking? When I leave the jar out its almost solid at room temperature, but these pills were liquid.
2:12pm - Not feeling anything.
2:25pm - Feeling some muscular effects but could be placebo. Muscles feel relaxed.
2:34pm - Nothing definite at all. Disappointed right now.
3:03pm - Very strange. I feel some cottonmouth but no eye pressure and my head is mostly clear. Not worth more than a few bucks right now.
3:24pm - Nothing. This was a failed trial.

Trial 4: 11/21/11
3:26pm - Took two caps. Hard from the fridge. Just finished another trial with three pills that didnâ??t do anything.
3:53pm - Definitely feeling something I think. Could it be that they need to be solid to work? That seems unlikely. Right now Iâ??m getting slight head effects, staring at things slightly longer, noticing obscure things, but Iâ??m definitely still not high.
4:13pm - Effects feel to be fading out. But thatâ??s may just be because Iâ??m sitting at a computer.
4:25pm - Eye pressure changing. Perception of time is changing. Stoned feeling.
5:25pm - STONED OUT OF MY MIND. Nose feels very cold. Sensations pulsing through my head and behind my eyes. Vision blurring.
6:00pm - INSANELY STONED. Basic movements are incredibly difficult. My eyes are closing and my hands are shaking and my typing is slow. My whole body is numb. Way too much. This is too strong. If this was three, it would be perfect. And there are no signs of it going down.
6:22pm - My whole body is starting to shake.
6:26pm - I feel as though twenty
meant to write â??minutes have gone by but its only been 4 minutesâ?� but got distracted and never finished
6:41pm - Thereâ??s something wrong with my eye. My right eye ball is bulging out and my vision is being warped after I just rubbed it. I need to check my eye color in the mirror.
Went to the bathroom to look in the mirror but forgot to write about it when I came back. My eyes were blood red.
8:00pm - I think itâ??s dying down. I feel exhausted and hungry and heavy-headed. That was definitely a trip.
8:17pm - Basically done for the most part I think. Iâ??m still stoned but not really high. Mostly all body at this point.
10:25pm - Just took an hour long nap and I feel strange.

Trial 5: 11/22/11
2:30pm - Took two pills that have been sitting out of the refrigerator for several hours. Warmed them with my breath just before taking them so that they were liquid. Just ate a caprese flatbread sandwich so my stomach is fairly full.
2:40pm - Placebo effects? Maybe.
3:09pm - Still feeling mental placebo effects.
3:35pm - Feels like a failed trial again. Iâ??m going to wait it out, though.
3:57pm - Nothing notable has happened.

[dahv]

Batch #2
11/22/11

Ingredients:
3) 1g buds
4) 11g coconut oil

Method:
8) Dusted: through a strainer onto paper.
9) Heated: with 200F â?? 265F oil for two hours. Stirred every half hour. Little bubbles.
10) Strained: Through strainer into a shot glass.
11) Injected: with a syringe rotating drips.
12) Filled: 12
13) Cooled: In the freezer until hard and then at room temperature in a bag.
14) Kept: At room temperature in a bag.

Notes:
1) Weight: 0.9-1.0g
2) Spilled and recovered a small amount when straining
3) Smelled strongly

[dahv]

Trial 1: 11/22/11
5:15pm - Took two freshly cooled caps.
5:56pm - Nothing.
6:19pm - Nothing.
6:43pm - Is it possibly that Iâ??m high?
6:54pm - I might be high. Eye pressure noticeable.
7:00pm - Feeling head high but it might just be because Iâ??ve been straining my neck carrying a huge amount of luggage to the train station. If the effects continue once I rest in the train it might be real.
7:06pm - Feeling high. This is pretty strange. I hope I donâ??t get mindfucked now two hours later. Actually I do.
7:20pm - Iâ??m definitely somewhat high.
7:27pm - Buzzed as a motherfucker.
7:56pm - Fearing that I will still be high when I arrive in DC.
8:08pm - I want it to stop now. Very high.
9:30pm - Coming down, just as the train pulls in. Definitely a strong high.

Trial 2: 11/23/11
3:00pm - Took one cap at room temperature (semi-solid). Just ate two eggs and two pieces of toast. My stomach is fairly full.
3:03pm - Immediately started tasting weed on my breath.
3:30pm - Nothing notable yet.
4:30pm - Nothing.

[CthePower]

Hi weedhound

A typical slow cooker operates at 80°C (176°F) on low, to 90°C (194°F) on high. I'd be surprised if your 'high setting' was over this temperature by more than 5°C. So you should be fine.

I've never cooked beyond four hours using this method (I've struggled to find out what, if anything, happens to the THC when cooked for long periods), so I'm going to have to simmer a batch for two hours, remove it, then put half back and cook for a further two hours and compare the difference in effects.

I'd be interested to know how yours goes, especially if you experiment.

Cheers
Flame :thumbsup:



Thank you all so much for all the great tips and information !!!!!!! :thumbsup: I wondered if you have tried the experiment yet ?

[dsides]

This is absolutely the best method for making cannabis capsules. This method works great with sugar trim too -- I noticed the OP did not mention anything about trim. When I take trim capsules I experience sleepy, and lethargic effects -- making them great for insomnia. I've used this method about 7 times now, with virgin coconut oil, and each time it has worked well. If it doesn't work for you then you are doing something wrong. I don't smoke anymore, but I do vaporize occasionally. I decided to use a small sealed mason jar inside of a slow cooker, apposed to a ceramic dish, in my most recent batch. These mason jars are tempered, so it should work out OK. I want to point out that if you use a sealed mason jar, there is almost no smell. I also recommend allowing the slow cooker to warm up. I keep it on high for about an hour, add the material, and then turn it on low for roughly two hours.

OP, and other tutorials, recommend size "00" capsules; however, you can probably get away with size "0." I find "00" capsules to be a bit large, and you will not fill the entire capsule.

I've been using 7 grams of coconut oil to 1.5 grams of medical cannabis. With lower quality material I have been using about 2 grams per 7 grams of oil.

I used a gram of very blonde Blueberry kief, and the caps were great. I only simmered them for probably an hour, because at this time I was not letting the slow cooker warm up. Needless to say, they were still very potent.

I can feel the effects 30 - 60 minutes after ingestion. I find hours 1.5 - 3 to be the most pleasant. I normally ingest the capsules with a meal. If I take them on an empty stomach I feel the effects faster, but the effects are not as intense. I recommend eating something with ingestion. Or eating the capsules on an empty stomach, waiting an hour, and eating something.

Does any body know of a good way to filter the oil? I have heard about using a garlic press, but I do not have one to use. Cheese cloth works, to an extent, but I feel like I am loosing precious oil. Any input would be great.

[Flameon]

It's been a while I know.. (sorry).

But I'm still around.. and just wanted to say 'thanks' to everyone who's been visiting and keeping the thread 'ticking' along.
My apologies though to anyone who didn't get timely help with their questions. My bad!

Hopefully, I'll be dropping in a little more frequently in future, so please feel free to ask away if you get stuck, or need a hand.

One little tip I've picked up in the last couple of years that I think's worth sharing..
For the best results, eat a meal roughly four hours before taking your capsules (individual constitutions may vary).. ideally containing saturated fat..
i.e. A cheeseburger, hot-dog, bacon sandwich etc..
The release of fatty acids into the blood stream acts as an accelerated THC delivery system.. hitting fast and hard.

Trust me on this one.. it really helps.
As supported by many clinical trials - i.e. Years of side-by-side comparisons using identical capsules

[MrSpliffington]

Hey I know this threads been dead a while.. but im just curious.. if i use the pan and bowl method, how long do i cook it for? some times as with the crockpot?

[Flameon]

Hey I know this threads been dead a while..

Dead? DEAD!

You're much mistaken Sir.. we're very much alive and kicking in here.. thanks very much..
(just a bit spaced out occasionally).


if i use the pan and bowl method, how long do i cook it for? some times as with the crockpot?

It's worth bearing in mind that the pan & bowl method is the trickier of the two methods to master (the crockpot is your friend!), however, if thats the route you choose.. make sure you a). keep the temp up high, and b). give it plenty of time to work its magic.

Rule of thumb.. a minimum of 1 hour on a 'high' heat (2 hour max) for the initial extraction.. (N.B. requires constant monitoring to avoid burning).. then follow with 3/4 hours of simmering.

Try a test batch when cooled.
If it lacks a 'kick'.. try a reheat.

[baguabri]

i like your receipe, but how can i dilute it? my patients are far more interested in pain releif and sleep. some are elderly and do not want to get at all mentally wasted. any suggestions? please help.

[Weezard]

Start with an Indica dominant strain.
Use only trim from fully mature plants.
(Lots of amber trichs.)

This will make "knockout drops?

Too strong?
Half fill the capsules. :)

Aloha,
Weeze

[delme]

Hello, nice thread, lots of info.
I have a question regarding Decarboxylation... i dont think i saw this anywhere in the thread. Is it needed seeing that the oil and herb are cooked in the slow cooker?
thanks!

[trow]

anybody know the ratios for AVB?
and, yes, i know this is an old thread, but i can't figure out the private message system for the life of me.

[Paparocks]

I used euro/organic butter for my first attempt and was surprised by how quickly it set up after it was taken from the heat. I went by the original recipe(except for the butter) and added condensed soy lecithin from gel caps added to the simmering.....the mmj is Jilly Bean from WA.
Thank You so much for the direction.
it's 2:30 and I have taken my first capsule.. all butter and no sludge...I will be adding it in the future though...I was just anxious to get the first one down....now I have to go stuff the other capsules before Jilly Bean takes me on a ride...I will post back to let you know how it is going/went.

[killaman420]

first off, i applaud your dedication to helping and teaching
i have learned so much from this thread!
i do have a question though
how much coconut oil is needed for every gram of hash?
and i will be using high grade BHO, will i need to change anything?
thanks so much!!

[DrDooby]

killaman420 i seen this in step 3:

he essential cookery ‘Ingredients’:

Either: 1 gram of good Hashish (not soap bar).
Or: 1 gram of fine grained ‘keif’.
Or: 1.5 grams of good ‘Bud’ (no stems, no seeds, or pointy leaves).

And: 7 grams (one and a half teaspoons) of Coconut oil or clarified butter*.

[DrDooby]

What if I wanted to use a smaller dose of pills but a higher dose of thc contentrate? What would be the formula to do this and is it safe?

[DrDooby]

One last question, Shouldnt i use top grade marijuana, instead of keef or hash? My reasoning was the weed has more thc compounds than just the Pollen?

[Marzfisch64]

You could make a really pure potent hash oil that is more concentrated than almost any other hash oil available so proper dosage would be easier and you wouldn't have to take six or seven pills to get properly medicated.
http://boards.cannabis.com/concentrates/205708-will-make-best-hash-oil-available.html

[microscope]

Apologies if this has been addressed.
With the bud capsules, what is best way to store them post prod. and how long can they be kept before they go bad (or just should not be consumed anymore)

Thanks!
:rasta:

[GorillaSeedBank]

THis seems like such an amazing idea - I sually eat weed in cakes etc which isnt great becuase of the calories in cake, only thing is this seems like a lot of work and I worry it wont work for me. I tried to make butter once and it just waisted my weed and didnt get me high.

[MVP]

Apologies if this has been addressed.
With the bud capsules, what is best way to store them post prod. and how long can they be kept before they go bad (or just should not be consumed anymore)

Thanks!
:rasta:

I've kept mine in the freezer, and after a year they were still pretty potent. You mileage may vary, but that has been my experience...

[microscope]

Wow that long!
And if I do the bud capsule fridge method - ie. let the oil harden in the fridge, and cut up into 12 equal pieces, and then put them into the capsules -
than could I use the vegan caps instead of the gelatin caps?
I'd rather the vegan, and it sounds like the gelatin are more for if you put the warm oil directly into the caps, cause it can melt/warp the caps.

Thanks

[microscope]

Can anyone suggest ideas for the following:
I want to pour the warm liquid into a really shallow tray (maybe plastic or metal) that has equal divisions.
That way I just put it in the fridge and when it hardens, it's easier to divide up into equal parts and put into the capsules.

Thanks

[microscope]

Summary of recent unanswered questions:

1) What is best way to store the post-prod capsules? And how long can they be kept safely?
2) Can anyone recommend a mini shallow tray that I can pour the liquid into and put in the fridge? Will be easier to divide up once it hardens and put in the capsules.
3) Is it 1.5 grams of bud before or after you remove the stems, leaves, etc?

Thanks

[Weezard]

I suggest that you re-read this thread with a clearer head.
At least 2 of your three question were already answered on this very page.


Summary of recent unanswered questions:

1) What is best way to store the post-prod capsules? And how long can they be kept safely?

"I've kept mine in the freezer, and after a year they were still pretty potent. You mileage may vary, but that has been my experience..."

2) Can anyone recommend a mini shallow tray that I can pour the liquid into and put in the fridge? Will be easier to divide up once it hardens and put in the capsules.

Try filling a soda straw with oil, crimping the ends and freezing it.
Then you can use a razor to slice off any size dose that you wish.

3) Is it 1.5 grams of bud before or after you remove the stems, leaves, etc?

"Or: 1.5 grams of good ‘Bud’ (no stems, no seeds, or pointy leaves)."

Thanks

Read and think.
Think and read.

Aloha,
Weezard

[microscope]

Let me clarify then:

1) Non-freezing storage ideas and how long it will keep.

2) Other than the straw idea - as in something like what I described - as in shallow tray thingy maybe.

3) *See next post

[microscope]

Weezard:

Here are the original instructions:
Grass method:

Due to the difference in THC strength, you’ll need to use 1.5 grams of good quality well cured bud in order to match the potency of 1 gram of hash or kief. Firstly, remove any stems, seeds or obvious leaf material* then grind to as small a grain (powder) as you can manage, then just follow the rest of the steps as detailed below.

Is it me, or is this not clear whether you use 1.5 and remove the stems, seed, leaves which would leave you with X grams - or if you start with more to end up with 1.5 pure?

[Weezard]

Ah, I see.
Not clear.
And it's not 1.5 grams.
He was trying to say 1.5 times as much product of any weight.
That too is not necessarily true.
There's great bud, and there's bad kief.

And continues on with bad advice as well.
Grinding is not desired or required.
There's almost 0 active ingredient inside the leaf or stem.
Grinding just adds un-desirables to your yield.

That's why ya gotta think about what ya read, yah?

Carry on.

Weeze

[Weezard]

Let me clarify then:

1) Non-freezing storage ideas and how long it will keep.

Temperature, oxidation and light will degrade the oil.
Purity is also a factor
So, no firm answer. Just keep tightly sealed in a cool, dark, place and it will last as long as it lasts.

2) Other than the straw idea - as in something like what I described - as in shallow tray thingy maybe.

Tried a shallow tray.
A removable, stainless steel, triple-beam pan.
It was a bad idea.
Might work with a small, teflon, or green magic, coated frypan though.
Try a few drops first to see how easily they lift off.
Will probably be easier to drip drops that it would be to cut it up.
(it sticks to the cutter).


3) *See next post

I just use a syringe and squirt it into the capsules.

Aloha,
Weeze

[microscope]

Update:
Ok so even with the cool hardened bud mix from the fridge, I don't suggest the vegan caps.
After filling them, a few dissolved in places due to the oily-ness of the mixture I'm assuming.
Also, it's so messy that I don't suggest the hardened into capsules technique.
Will try the syringe into gelatin caps next and see how that works - but I wonder if the warm liquid will warp/tear the gelatin caps too?

[Weezard]

"After filling them, a few dissolved in places due to the oily-ness of the mixture I'm assuming."

Don't know anything about vegan caps.
So, I won't jump to assumption. :D

But the "oily-ness" is not to blame with gelatin caps.

They are water soluble.
The culprit is water.

Might have to reheat your oil and finish the boil.
Take it up to 110 C. and wait for the bubbling to stop.
Then, cool it to room temp and fill your caps.
(If you chill it, condensation water as it warms up will melt your caps.)

Then store them in a sealed jar with a desiccant.
Dry, uncooked rice is a suitable desiccant.

Aloha,
Weeze

[Flameon]

Jumping in a little late (again). Sorry.

Regarding the question about the long term storage of caps in a fridge... I've samples from various batches dating back two years (and further), and have found no significant drop in potency (If anything, some seem to get stronger). In general, coconut oil is highly stable with a very long shelf life (so no need to wolf 'em all down at once lol).

Gelatin capsules are my preference over the vegetarian variety, as they tend to be sturdier and firmer making them easier to fill. And, in my experience, the vegetarian capsules are more permeable (from a 'smell' point-of-view), leading to the faint whiff of 'weed' being detectable even from caps stored in the fridge/freezer.

If you've experienced either variety of caps dissolving during production however, it'll be because you've: either got 'water' in the mixture, or, you've added the oil to the caps while it's still too warm/hot causing the caps to 'melt'.

Most of the oils you're likely to be using will remain in liquid form at room temperature (assuming you're not an Eskimo), so, once you've removed it from the heat leave it to stand until 'tepid' before using your syringe to fill.

Hope that helps, and.. happy baking!

[John8976]

Flameon, what would you say the optimal temperature is for all of the cannabinoids to be activated properly? 220f-250f?

[John8976]

Or anyone who might have the answer feel free to answer.

[el sid]

Hi I just made my first batch last night. I took 4 my girlfriend took 4 and my dad took 4. I used and 8th of my outdoor blue magoo.

I used a teaspoon of soy leichten in my slow cooker.

Does anyone know anything about the emmulsifying properties of soy leichten?
I'll report back with the results when I feel the capsules in a little while

[el sid]

This is some information on soy leichten taken from rollup. However we use lecithin, not as a flavor enhancer, but for the same reason pharmaceutical companies do; it's called liposomal encapsulation.

This is why I recommend using it in any edible-intent extraction, during the processing of your canna, from citric extractions, to alcohol, to oil.

They use it in pharmaceuticals to improve bioavailability of everything from pain meds, to vitamin C.. with vit C for example, it becomes up to 75% more bioavailable to your system, meaning you get the same treatment from using only 1mg liposomally treated vit C, as you would from around 4-5+mg untreated vit C. They use it as a flavor enhancer in cooking for similar reasons; the lecithin breaks down the flavoring already present into smaller particulates, allowing that flavor to enter your taste buds more easily, for a more rich, or full flavor

Vit C is a good example because it is very resistant to being absorbed by our system in its natural state without proper preparation (sound familiar? ) which is why you often see un-altered brands advertising "3000% of your daily dosage in each cap", you need that much per dose, just so your body has a chance to take in a healthy quantity.

Using liposomal encapsulation technology however (adding lecithin as an emulsifier and homogenizer), is considered the closest we can get in pill form, to an intravenous injection. It's used more frequently and considered to be even more effective at improving bioavailability, than the Bioperine used in Cannabrex 3x enhancement formula.

"Most of his work has been done with Vitamin C. Vitamin C has very low absorbability in the gastrointestinal tract of humans (16%). By encapsulating Vitamin C nanoparticles with a phospholipid membrane, we could directly by-pass the destructive forces of the gut with Liposomal-C being directly absorbed into the blood stream. He has manipulated the natural tendency of phospholipids to form tiny encasing bubbles (liposomes) in a water-based pharmacological solution. The key is that these formed liposomes will automatically encase whatever is in the water solution with it."

Here's a link to get you started.. try using google to search "lecithin THC pills capsules" and "lecithin liposomal encapsulation", and you'll come up with loads of responses.

Liposomal Encapsulation Technology (LET), Liposomal-Encapsulated Vit C, Some Additional Info.. at Cancer Alternatives Support Forum (MessageID: 1556982)

And an ecerpt from my first post here, for the canna capsules:

"Soy Lecithin. It's used in food processing to make less sugar appear 'sweeter', less

chocolate more 'chocolatey', and in pharmaceuticals to enhance the effectiveness of

medications, it homogenizes and safely coats, then breaks down substances, into more

fine, smaller particulates, promoting vastly improved systemic bioavailability within your

body.

The difference is so great, that you can visually see the altered consistency between

oils/pills where lecithin was used, and when it was not. 'Liposomal' lecithin encapsulation,

simply put, breaks the glands down faster, making the heating process more efficient,

reducing the risk of damaging the material from possible over-processing. I recommend

using soy lecithin in all canna and hash oil recipes.

The glands, already being decarbed (preferably), are then broken down further, and are

delivered in a vehicle of lecithin oil, creating an intensely narcotic impact upon use.

Lecithin increases the availability of everything from sugars to vitamin C, to prescription

pain meds, and the increase in availability on contact is said to be between %15 and %75

depending on the substance, vitamin, or chemical. Meaning, the correct addition of lecithin

to for instance, vitamin C, reduces the quantity of ascorbic acid you need to consume in

order to achieve the same effect, by more than 50%. You can see how this applies to the

use of digestive-resistant canna in edibles.

And when you can buy such large packets of it for just two or three dollars, whatever the

increase is, it's well worth it. If you'd like to get fancy, and possibly enhance the process

further, you can additionally use ultrasonic jewelry cleansers to mimic the lab-like process

of liposomal encapsulation, and utilize a briefer period of heating. "

[Weezard]

This is some information on soy leichten taken from rollup. However we use lecithin, not as a flavor enhancer, but for the same reason pharmaceutical companies do; it's called liposomal encapsulation.

This is why I recommend using it in any edible-intent extraction, during the processing of your canna, from citric extractions, to alcohol, to oil.

They use it in pharmaceuticals to improve bioavailability of everything from pain meds, to vitamin C.. with vit C for example, it becomes up to 75% more bioavailable to your system, meaning you get the same treatment from using only 1mg liposomally treated vit C, as you would from around 4-5+mg untreated vit C. They use it as a flavor enhancer in cooking for similar reasons; the lecithin breaks down the flavoring already present into smaller particulates, allowing that flavor to enter your taste buds more easily, for a more rich, or full flavor

Vit C is a good example because it is very resistant to being absorbed by our system in its natural state without proper preparation (sound familiar? ) which is why you often see un-altered brands advertising "3000% of your daily dosage in each cap", you need that much per dose, just so your body has a chance to take in a healthy quantity.

Using liposomal encapsulation technology however (adding lecithin as an emulsifier and homogenizer), is considered the closest we can get in pill form, to an intravenous injection. It's used more frequently and considered to be even more effective at improving bioavailability, than the Bioperine used in Cannabrex 3x enhancement formula.

"Most of his work has been done with Vitamin C. Vitamin C has very low absorbability in the gastrointestinal tract of humans (16%). By encapsulating Vitamin C nanoparticles with a phospholipid membrane, we could directly by-pass the destructive forces of the gut with Liposomal-C being directly absorbed into the blood stream. He has manipulated the natural tendency of phospholipids to form tiny encasing bubbles (liposomes) in a water-based pharmacological solution. The key is that these formed liposomes will automatically encase whatever is in the water solution with it."

Here's a link to get you started.. try using google to search "lecithin THC pills capsules" and "lecithin liposomal encapsulation", and you'll come up with loads of responses.

Liposomal Encapsulation Technology (LET), Liposomal-Encapsulated Vit C, Some Additional Info.. at Cancer Alternatives Support Forum (MessageID: 1556982)

And an ecerpt from my first post here, for the canna capsules:

"Soy Lecithin. It's used in food processing to make less sugar appear 'sweeter', less

chocolate more 'chocolatey', and in pharmaceuticals to enhance the effectiveness of

medications, it homogenizes and safely coats, then breaks down substances, into more

fine, smaller particulates, promoting vastly improved systemic bioavailability within your

body.

The difference is so great, that you can visually see the altered consistency between

oils/pills where lecithin was used, and when it was not. 'Liposomal' lecithin encapsulation,

simply put, breaks the glands down faster, making the heating process more efficient,

reducing the risk of damaging the material from possible over-processing. I recommend

using soy lecithin in all canna and hash oil recipes.

The glands, already being decarbed (preferably), are then broken down further, and are

delivered in a vehicle of lecithin oil, creating an intensely narcotic impact upon use.

Lecithin increases the availability of everything from sugars to vitamin C, to prescription

pain meds, and the increase in availability on contact is said to be between %15 and %75

depending on the substance, vitamin, or chemical. Meaning, the correct addition of lecithin

to for instance, vitamin C, reduces the quantity of ascorbic acid you need to consume in

order to achieve the same effect, by more than 50%. You can see how this applies to the

use of digestive-resistant canna in edibles.

And when you can buy such large packets of it for just two or three dollars, whatever the

increase is, it's well worth it. If you'd like to get fancy, and possibly enhance the process

further, you can additionally use ultrasonic jewelry cleansers to mimic the lab-like process

of liposomal encapsulation, and utilize a briefer period of heating. "

296774

Valuable information that will save a fortune, and possibly some lives as well.

Mahalo nui loa, my friend, we owe you for that one.

Aloha,
Weeze

[TaylorJenkins9515]

Hiw bad is the smell? I would like to try this but would like to keep it on the down low.

[Weezard]

Could you be a little more specific?
The smell of what, exactly?

Aloha,
Weezard

[Dabberville]

Wow very cool - never even thought of these. Cannabis as a supplement capsule!!

[iGanja]

Dabberville this is how I've seen numbers of people ingest their Rick Simpson Oil.