The "C" Crowd

[Weedhound]

So my other grow log is getting pretty long and I thought I'd start a new one. This log will cover the two plants I'm flowering now....A Church (pic one) and a Cotton Candy x SAGE (pic 2)
I've never tried the Church before so anyone who has and can let me know what the buzz on them is about FEEL FREE:thumbsup:
At present these 2 are both 17 days into flowering.

I'm also going to put the two plants I just started iinto this grow log but don't have any pics yet. They are about 2 weeks old....just going into veg now. Those two are a Power Plant and a Dutch Dragon. :jointsmile:

[rhizome]

Subscribe button pushed.

Tasty tree in the background there- makes me wanna do a rip...

( suck bubble cough)

Ahhh...:stoned:

[Weedhound]

My hubby and I have bio assayed the SNL x NH (and she's not quite done either) Thumbs UP!! :thumbsup: I'm getting very hooked on these sativa influenced strains. :)

[Weedhound]

LOL!!! Proof of stonyness. I listed the pics backwards....first pic is the cotton candy and the SECOND is the Church. I didn't top the church plant because it hadn't been doing well (but has come back with a vengance) so she's going to end up a TALL drink of water I believe. ;)

[xcrispi]

Gonna be cool to see how the Church plant turns out for you , real interested in the Nexus too . We'll be watchin Sis .
Crispi :jointsmile:

[Weedhound]

Well here's the mind in the know. :)

The CC....it's cotton candy or a cotton candy cross? I know there's no blueberry in it.

[xcrispi]

Well here's the mind in the know. :)

The CC....it's cotton candy or a cotton candy cross? I know there's no blueberry in it.

It's just a cross that happened to have Cottoncandy in it .
Came from Hempdepot - Breeder = Canadian seed company - Strain name = Indoor Mix = NYCD / Cottoncandy x S.A.G.E .
Later Sis .
Crispi :D

[MVP]

Oooooo... a new grow log by the Hound! I'm on board. Like the fact this one is new and not a bazillion pages long. At least not yet... :D

[Weedhound]

Hi MVP....welcome! :)

Yeah they start gettint a little crazy after awhile. It'll be awhile I imagine before it gets interesting....like the plants actually get a bud...:D

[cmasfca]

I hit subscribe!

Weedhound; Have you topped or LST these girls at all? If I want to pm you, how do I do that?

[Weedhound]

Can't do pms here i'm afraid.....have to rep me with your e-mail or vice versa. I think I've repped you recently but I'll try again.

Yeah, won't let me. When you can rep me again send me your email. They have a very weird system around here. Oh...if you haven't repped X-C you could rep hiim with your e-mail.....he's pretty trustworthy.....so far LOL!! :D

Love X-C's new avi.....it's so....HIM!! Except that he doesn't have any fingers....:D :confused:

cm, the cotton candy I topped twice The Church plant I didn't top at all because it had a bad time for awhile although it seems to have made up for it. I usually do top my plants at least once so I'll be interested to see what a "au natural" plant looks like. :D

[cmasfca]

I repped xcrispi with my email and hopefully she will pass it along to you! :)

[Weedhound]

Need to catch him before he sells it on E-bay.....

JUST KIDDING !! :D

Don't think he's checked in yet today.....he's such a DIVA!! :S2: I'll send him an e-mail and tell him to hurry it up. :D

[Markass]

Need to catch him before he sells it on E-bay.....

JUST KIDDING !! :D

Don't think he's checked in yet today.....he's such a DIVA!! :S2: I'll send him an e-mail and tell him to hurry it up. :D

did you get some of the blueberry f2's?? those are the blueberries crispi's doing now..2/3 were likely crossed with cotton candy, I say that because it's definitely not pure blueberry, otherwise it'd be nuggets rather than cola forming..I loved the way it smoked..

crispi always said he loved the colas on cc but the taste of bb, ended up getting a bit of both by accident, but definitely far from a bad accident as you can see from the pics :)

[Weedhound]

I haven't gotten any of the newer batches of seeds....that sounds like a good cross though. The bb was so....couchlock. (NOT as bad as the white rhino however). I've become QUITE the fan of this SNL x NH.....the head high is GREAT!!....the best I've grown so far I believe.....but definitely enough body high to make one happy. :D

[xcrispi]

Weedhound - "Love X-C's new avi.....it's so....HIM!! Except that he doesn't have any fingers...."
I got 6.5 fingers , They just don't work is all . Thanx for switchin file types Sis. I was really stoned :stoned:

Trustworthy ? :( -> Weedhound - " I've become QUITE the fan of this SNL x NH.....the head high is GREAT!!....the best I've grown so far I believe...." -n- Cottoncandy was 1 of your best yielders too . huh ? I'm "TRUSTABLE" damn it !!!!! :D

Peace guys
Crispi :jointsmile:

CMASFCA - "I repped xcrispi with my email and hopefully she will pass it along to you!"
Funny . LOL. This is how Weedhound and I met BTW . Ooooops!!!!! Crispis' a guy .

[cmasfca]

Well now I know :)

[MeJCaLxZ]

Nice i bet cottoncandy is yummmy haha

beautiful plants

[Weedhound]

So that's....3.25 fingers per hand.....well hell... THATS A TON!! That's plenty of fingers to flip people off with.....:D

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Nice plants you got going there Weedhound.

I wish I would have started growing years ago so I would know more and sampled at least some of these strains:(

So I have to start somewhere right:) I have got white widow, thc bomb, and 4 unknown strains going now but plan on getting more when Joey weed resupplies. I would like to compaire his w/w to what I got from holland, plus try his blueberry, plus a few others,from what I have read he has the best seeds and very reasonably priced.

I keep watching Weedhound.

[yiGity]

nice nice lookin good

[Weedhound]

Thanks, yi. :)

Jerry, there's so little time....so much to sample.....I've gone to planting one of each at a time to try and fit it all in. :D

[godofganga]

those look like some nice plants

ditto on the subscribe

hey i have some blueberry going around here great stuff, nice taste too

[Weedhound]

Thanks God....nice of you to drop down from heaven and stop in. :D


First one is the cotton candy.

Second...the church plant. This plant tend to grow REALLY big fan leaves so the highest ones are missing. That's why the plant has a strange looking top on it.

Last photo is the growroom....third plant (the one almost done) is a sour northern lights x neville's haze.

[Weedhound]

Pic 1.....Power plant.
Pic 2 Dutch Dragon

They've stayed MUCH shorter (with larger leaves) with the mh bulb and in general have done quite well from the start. :)

[MVP]

I am really interested in how that Power Plant goes for ya. I might even have to break down and start a few from beans :eek:

[zebulon]

I am really interested in how that Power Plant goes for ya.

Me too.....:thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

What's so exciting about the power plant to you guys? Seems to be one that interests people.

[MVP]

I hear it is a good producer and that it will respond well in a SCROG environment. Also hear it is good tasting and a balanced high.

[Weedhound]

Hmm.....well so far it hasn't done anything exciting.

[Weedhound]

White Berry is IN DA HOUSE!! :thumbsup:

WW is a slow goer....I can tell it's going to be a pita to grow already.....fussy......whiny.....geez..:wtf:

[Weedhound]

The first is the cotton candy....which WAS flawless until I broke a huge branch off the side of it....:wtf:

The second is the church plant. I measured her at 37 inches without the bucket. That plant really smells terrific and it's startng to fill up the room. :)

[cmasfca]

I assume that plug on the ground in the second picture cannot be shorted out if there is a leak in one of your buckets? I read somewhere that a good rule of thumb is keep the water below the waist and the electricity above it :thumbsup:

And yes, that is the only thing that I can say about your grow other than they are looking mighty fine :D

Why did you remove a branch?

[Weedhound]

Well I didn't remove it until after I broke it....like....didn't mean to. I actually tried to tape it back and ended up starting to make things worse so I quit while I was ahead. I always do something along that line somehwhere. I was moving her around to take photos and broke it. Too early for anything smokable....:(

Good point about the plug....the cord is waterproof but the surge protector is on the ground. I went to alot of trouble to make sure the 50 lb ballast was off the ground but not the plugs. I'll change that tomorrow. ;)

I'm also running a flush through the system for 24 hours. Should be the last time I'll have to do it before harvest.

[SnSstealth]

weedhound, see you've done this a bit, girls look lovely man. good strains too.. would LOVE to get ahold of some church.. using jack herer x bubbleberry. had a jack go hermy and they crossed! starting my first log, kinda new to the site. any pointers?


2 x 8 10' tall
mylar on all walls
20 3 gal pots
fox farm ocean forest
2 pots testing roots organic soil
all fox farm nutrients
3 procyon 100 LEDs $600 a pop!! (ouch)
18 jack herer x bubbleberry
4 bag seeds

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[SnSstealth]

how do i mark, or subscribe to a thread?

[Weedhound]

up at the top of the post under thread tools. ;)

[Weedhound]

Stealth you are SOOOOO talking to the wrong person about soil.....I'm sorry but I've never really grown ANYTHING with soil that I didn't make a huge mess of. I love my hydro because to me it's harder to screw up. :)

Best of luck....start a grow log so fine minds like Stinky Attic and others can find you and help.....those who can be TRUSTED around soil. :D

[Weedhound]

Oh and cm I spent today picking up and getting all my plugs and surge protectors, air pumps etc off the floor Turns out the only thing I DID get off the floor correctly originally was the ballast.....everything else was still there, lol. :wtf:

Thanks for the reminder. :)

[SnSstealth]

thanks weedhound...i started a thread, so we will see, havent gotten too many responses, iim sure its cause im new here....lol....been grown soil for years, but new to the LED and grow log. havent seen ANY definitive LED grow, so we will take the financial hit to let everyone know about them....lol

[Weedhound]

First photo: Power Plant
Second Dutch Dragon

Both are a day from five weeks veg and were topped once 4 days ago. I'll be turning them both to 12/12 in the next few days.

[Weedhound]

Pic 1: WhiteBerry age 3 days
Pic 2: White Widow age 1 days

The WB is already growing like a beast. She popped right out and never looked back but the WW took quite a while and already seems fussy and a problem child. :wtf:

[yiGity]

yup yup lookin good

[Weedhound]

So my hubby brought home the Liquid Light and I tried it yesterday. Rock....check out the Power Plant about two hours after spraying (first pic) :D The Dutch Dragon in the second pic didn't react at all. :cool:

I checked the temps on that plant (the light was about 26 inches above them) and they were very low.....like 69 degrees and the plant itself honestly LOOKED like it WAS stretching toward the light like we talked about with yours. Plant was back to normal the next day.

Opie.....how often are you using this stuff and how are you using it exactly with your lighting etc....?

[SnSstealth]

liquid light? havent heard of that one...you guys think it could appl y to our LED's

[Rock.Steady]

So my hubby brought home the Liquid Light and I tried it yesterday. Rock....check out the Power Plant about two hours after spraying (first pic) :D The Dutch Dragon in the second pic didn't react at all. :cool:

I checked the temps on that plant (the light was about 26 inches above them) and they were very low.....like 69 degrees and the plant itself honestly LOOKED like it WAS stretching toward the light like we talked about with yours. Plant was back to normal the next day.

Opie.....how often are you using this stuff and how are you using it exactly with your lighting etc....?

BINGO! You Go Girl!!!

that stuff is pretty amazing is what i'm thinkin.
i'm using it every other day for sure thru veg and will do same for 1st 3-4 weeks of flower. at only about 2 tbsp /week, this lil jug should last a while,,,,,i hope.

oh, and i'll comment about PowerPlant.
when last in frisco (early nov.), got some PowerPlant from the co-op (pal has a card), awesome 'up' high, tasted and smelled great.
the week i was there, almost singlehanded killed a 1/4 just enjoying it during the day hours.
at night and b4 bed, was rippin raspberry,,,,same consumption levels, (also a dam tasty treay IMHO)
My friend warned i was gonna cough up a lung from his 2 ft Roor glass. I filled the chamber and had at it, after his jaw hit the floor i exhaled in his face and went for another rip:thumbsup:

had to change the water several times that week, GOOD TIMES:D

I think you'll love the PP.:D

[Weedhound]

So here is my newest project. I actually started this to see if my SNL x NH seeds would be viable so I threw a few in a cup of water and when the first one popped I felt guilty about tossing it......which didn't stop me from tossing the other two seeds bfore they could hatch.

So I figured I would try my friend's approach to growing which is this: Do what? Ph what? Just water it when it looks like it needs it and it will grow like mad. :cool:

So when this seed popped I LITERALLY dropped it into a rapid rooter (it landed upside down....I refused to fix it) and buried the whole thing in.....I am not kidding......last year's potting soil. :wtf:
Germinated on Jan 19.

[Rock.Steady]

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!:S2:

Stinky will be so proud of you!!!:D



I am too:thumbsup:


last year's potting soil.
Priceless.

[SnSstealth]

alright guys, almost got my 50 posts...lol....these pics are one week old sprouts. lookin good so far, had a few stretching a little bit, but just moved some pots around and they are fine.....

whiskeytango
SnSstealth

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[Weedhound]

Dude you need to start your own thread with those photos.....like on your LED thread.

[cmasfca]

Dude you need to start your own thread with those photos.....like on your LED thread.

QFT

:wtf:

Psst, WH; My local hydro guy is just starting an LED project, I'll let you know how his turns out ;)

[Opie Yutts]

Nice plants as usual, but what the hell is happening around here? First the site gets reorganized, then I get abducted by aliens, then WH starts growing in dirt. Next thing you know she'll be switching to dirt, then fires, floods, locusts, and the world will split in two and the weed growers will get transported to the other planet on the giant space arc. And no, I haven't been smoking, why do you ask?

Well, just, nice job (of course), and keep up the good work.

To answer your question, I use Liquid Light according to the directions except I do it at half strength on both the LL and Penetrator. This seems pretty much enough, and since this stuff is so expensive it would be nice to cut it to half price. I'm sure I'll experiment with strength later. As soon as the lights come on, about twice per week, I mist as many leaves as I can get to until they are completely coated and run off starts. I gently run my hand across them, trying not to disturb any trichomes, to try and get leaves that were covered wet too. Once the leaves are a little roughed up, I mist again only not as much this time. I also mist the underside of the leaves as much as possible, since this is really where it will do the most good (stomata on bottom). It's semi-important to have a good mister, not a good sprayer. The finer particle you can get the solution into as it's floating in the air, the better it will penetrate to hidden leaves. Of course a fog would be optimum. As far as the lights, I leave my 12 CFLs right where they are, which is as close as possible without burning. However I leave these switched off until any over spray on them has dried. I leave my 600W right where it is normally, which is something like 20-24". I keep trying to get it a little closer but the leaf temps keep going above 80 when I try. Needs a little work. Please let me know if I didn't answer your question. So far, don't you think it's some pretty amazing stuff? Oh yeah, I also foliar feed with SprayNGrow about half as often as LL.

I have some BBxNL and I like it a lot. Any ideas on how you might compare SNL to NL? Does it smell or taste more sour? Anyone?

SnS, nice AV choice.

[Opie Yutts]

PS. Please try to keep this one under 250 pages.

[SnSstealth]

noted weedhound, sorry about that :thumbsup:
just was interested in the liquid light. if it might help with the LEDs.

[Weedhound]

Ha ha like your avatar as well stealth.....we promise to come over to your thread and check out your photos but everyone has their own.....;)

Opie I've tried the LL (full strength) on my brand new seedlings and they honestly did great!! i'm wondering at this point about what it would do in regards to "hardening off" your seedlings to the light. Mine are fairly far away from the mh at this point but it seemed to make them....well.....hardier to the light faster. Could be my imagination but......

[SnSstealth]

nice...think ill try some of that LL after mine get a little bigger.

[Rock.Steady]

WH-
i am feeling in agreement with ur LL/ 'light hardiness' assessment.
i feel they may get a lil shock when u first use the stuff, but after that, its gravy.

check Opie's LL thread for my updates;)

I LOVE the fact that ur tryin soil again!!!!:D:D:D
especially the "attention to detail",,,ummm, i mean complete lack of attention to detail,LOL!

Let Mom Nature do her bit:D

hey, keep the dogs waggin tail away from it this time tho, ok?:cool::thumbsup:

[Opie Yutts]

at this point but it seemed to make them....well.....hardier to the light faster. Could be my imagination but......

I don't think it's your imagination. LL is the most amazing thing I've ever seen in a plant food. I swear it seems mine grew an inch in 12 hours after applying it.

[SnSstealth]

guess im making a trip to the grow store...lol, that stuff has to be benificial to the LEDs

[abdul1a]

How old is the plant in your waterfarm?

[Weedhound]

Hi abdul1a,

The larger ones in the photos are germinated from seeds and they were first started on 11/7/07 and they've been in the flowering stage for 40 days (since 12/21) so altogether two months and three weeks old.

I'm afraid I didn't understand your light question on the other thread. What kind of lighting are you using there?

[Weedhound]

Stealth I can hardly claim to be an expert either on LED's or Liquid Light so I can only offer the thought that in reading over the literature carefully (which i always try to do) I saw nothing about needing a certain kind of light, lighting, or spectrum. It HAS burned some of my older fan leaves which is something I've seen with other foliar sprays as well but DutchMaster recommends it for "rooted plants" one week old and older so I tried it on my one week old seedlings and they did quite well with it. I will add I was very careful with my lighting on them though. But I'm afraid I just can't help you with specifics.

[SnSstealth]

thanks anyway, im gonna try it. mine are seedlings too, so i guess ill get some tomorrow....lol

[yiGity]

damn sns is that a brendle pit? good lookin pit i wish i still had my pure bred... some mother fucker ran him over last year and kept on driving...

[Weedhound]

So little soil seedling is gone and I have to say it was quite an eye opener for me. First.......last year's potting soil was not a good choice as it turned out to be full of hatching fungus or soil gnats or whatever the hell they are that started appearing and running around everywhere in the dirt so I was NOT amused by the hygene practices so far. BUT....what REALLY did it was that I sprayed bug spray on the plant itself and the soil....but did not take into account the fact that the poor seedling should be removed from the lighting until dry which I didn't do. Yes....I fried my little baby with bug spray. I read the entire bottle......carefully.....to make sure it was safe for seedlings of that age and then proceeded to spray it and walk off leaving it directly under the light to burn to DEATH. I never thought of it as....well...an equal to my hydro babies or as it's own individual. Never occurred to me about it's needs or desires.

I am so ashamed. :(

I've spent the night in meditation and prayer and have come away with a new outlook. I'm germinating a new seed and Mr Hound is off at the hydro store getting the BEST QUALITY potting soil for a seedling that he can. I pledge to end ALL discrimination in regards to growing and treat ALL seedlings with certain unalienable rights. :D :thumbsup:

Amen.

[MVP]

So little soil seedling is gone and I have to say it was quite an eye opener for me. First.......last year's potting soil was not a good choice as it turned out to be full of hatching fungus or soil gnats or whatever the hell they are that started appearing and running around everywhere in the dirt so I was NOT amused by the hygene practices so far. BUT....what REALLY did it was that I sprayed bug spray on the plant itself and the soil....but did not take into account the fact that the poor seedling should be removed from the lighting until dry which I didn't do. Yes....I fried my little baby with bug spray. I read the entire bottle......carefully.....to make sure it was safe for seedlings of that age and then proceeded to spray it and walk off leaving it directly under the light to burn to DEATH. I never thought of it as....well...an equal to my hydro babies or as it's own individual. Never occurred to me about it's needs or desires.

I am so ashamed. :(

I've spent the night in meditation and prayer and have come away with a new outlook. I'm germinating a new seed and Mr Hound is off at the hydro store getting the BEST QUALITY potting soil for a seedling that he can. I pledge to end ALL discrimination in regards to growing and treat ALL seedlings with certain unalienable rights. :D :thumbsup:

Amen.

Well said.

Amen!

P.S. Are you running for office? :D

[Rock.Steady]

umm, WH, i for once in a long time,,,,have no words.

except,


does sorta have the tone of pre-campaign, doesnt it???:wtf:

[Weedhound]

Well guys send me a bunch of money and I'll let you know down the road if I decide to run. :D

[Weedhound]

Read my lips:

I-did-NOT-waterboard that seedling. :wtf:

[SnSstealth]

fox farm ocean forrest is very yummy for them weedhound

[zebulon]

Anything new??? When will you update this log WH ???
I would really like to see some new pix of the PP and the others...:thumbsup:

[SnSstealth]

yeah WH!!!!! lol, wondering what was goin on in the thread here........heh
:thumbsup:

[Shovelhandle]

dirt growing??? good luck with your new seed.

shov

[Weedhound]

Growing for the maschocist 101. Germinated on 1/29.....8 days ago....and finally got to here. WOW! :wtf:

[Weedhound]

This has turned out to be a very nice plant with these funky buds popping out and growing quite nicely. It has pretty big fan leaves all the way up the plant that tended to cover things but that's been my only real complaint during blooming.

Naturally this was the one I was thinking about tossing because I didn't feel it was a good example of an mj plant. That's reason enough ALONE to let that leafless soil seed keep on going.. :D

You can see very clearly the pattern of light burn on the part of the plant direcltly under the cool tube. In the back.....the plant is really flawless. :thumbsup:

[hydrocannabis]

woooooooo wooooooooo. :thumbsup::thumbsup:

looks too good. like something outa porno mag.
real nice.

[Weedhound]

So cotton candy the same age as the church.....Day 47 bloom. She doesn't seem to be on the same wavelength as the church plant and is fairly far behind which I'm sure is due to the lovely large branch I broke her accidently a few weeks back. I honestly can't tell if it just slowed her down or will affect the final yield altogether because for week 7 she just isn't showing the usual bulk althought she's seems very healthy in all other respects.

The second photo are the Power Plant (left front) and Dutch Dragon (darker plant in back) which are 8 days into 12/12 and doing quite well. I'd love to have them actually stretch a touch.....while really short may be the ideal I find it easier to get light to all the buds on a stretched plant. ;)

What do you clone masters think of my taking a clone or two off these plants say along about day 12 or so of the 12/12 period? Chances for success?

[Weedhound]

I've been using Liquid Light on these guys....and it's done some funky stuff to the first set of leaves as you can see. (I asked my hydro guy about it and he said no worries so.....:cool:)

Interestingly while the Whiteberry has done real well (first pic) the White widow which gave me so much problems a the beginning has commenced to growing like a monster and has somewhat left poor Whiteberry in the dust. The WW is the second photo.....doesn't she kind of look like Popeye flexing his muscles? :D

[SnSstealth]

lookin lovely WH....so bad wanna try the church...

[Weedhound]

Struggling. I'd love thoughts from the clone people on how to increase success. So far the ones I've picked up (that I should NOT have done on this clone and did) picking the clone in late flower (week 6), not choosing a "woody" good sized stem, not scarifying enough (think I only went down to the light green vs the real white plant material) and open for any more thoughts for better clone success. :)

Ps....I had a second clone as well.....that I completely decapitated with the dome lid so here's to hoping that THIS 50% of the crop makes it. :D

PSS....This is also a clone from my church plant that I'd like to keep going because I have no more seeds.

Stealth....X-Crispi grew the church plant and so far he seems to think its GREAT!......and he's tried a few in his day. ;)

[Opie Yutts]

I never thought of it as....well...an equal to my hydro babies or as it's own individual. Never occurred to me about it's needs or desires.

No need to feel bad, you wanted to know what would happen when you pretty much ignore a seedling in dirt, and now you know.

[SnSstealth]

i get a chunky stemmed, 3-5 sets of leaves, use a razor and cut at a 45 degree angle, dip it in the clonex, and stick it in a rockwool cube in a dome and they usually roots in 4-5 days...but i've never taken a clone after pre-flowering....still on 18hrs when i take the clones....dont know if that answers your q. and did you get the church seeds through a seed bank?...or in cali med style.

[Opie Yutts]

I guess my clone advice for you would be, stop taking cuttings from plants in flower. Occasionally, but rarely this can go off without a hitch. More often then not though, seems like these end in failure.

Also, don't worry much about getting "woody" stems, and don't scarify too deep or the end of the stem turns to mush and rots.

[Weedhound]

Well it's all MVP's fault anyway for all this clone stuff. I WILL take some clowns off my seedlings once they are big enough......before I turn them instead of after. ;)

[MVP]

Well it's all MVP's fault anyway for all this clone stuff. I WILL take some clowns off my seedlings once they are big enough......before I turn them instead of after. ;)

Well THERE is the problem folks! She has been taking CLOWNS! No wonder they have been acting Funny!

BWAHHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAAA!!!!! :silly:

[Weedhound]

And I thought it was the liquid light.....:S2:

[hatch]

I guess my clone advice for you would be, stop taking cuttings from plants in flower. Occasionally, but rarely this can go off without a hitch. More often then not though, seems like these end in failure.

Also, don't worry much about getting "woody" stems, and don't scarify too deep or the end of the stem turns to mush and rots.

I second that opion! But if it was your last Church, I can see why you wanted to regen. , I thank in a nother week after realizing what just happened it will be back to being happy camper. Your flowering pic. look great by-the-way!! Later

[xcrispi]

Hey Sis.
New genetics look sweet . Nice short n stocky . - P.P. -N- D.D.

Stealth - The Church seeds came from Growshop Alien .

You should have some harvest pics of the W/H Mix in your email in a few too . :thumbsup: :thumbsup: smells so sweet n citrusy it's almost nasueating . Smoke report soon too .

Holler Sis.
Crispi :jointsmile:

[SnSstealth]

ty crispi....and WH;)
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

Cloney got a root! What should I do? You know what....I read up on the church plant and find they are pretty much "mold resistant" so if thats true does Cloney still have a chance? She's down to a few dark green leaves and a teeny little root. Should I start some nutes or something???

[MVP]

Don't over-love your little clone. Can you post a pic so I can see what you are seeing?

[Weedhound]

That will be tough.....macro setting requires a tripod but Mr H and I will try....it's just one little dinky 1/8 of an inch root but it wasn't there yesterday.

The top of her looks very much the same as the photo. I'd really written this little clone off to mold until reading that the church is pretty mold resistant and there are NO signs of mold on her......yet.....knock on wood.

It's just that's shes turning yellow so fast.....really going through some changes.

[gainesvillegreen]

Those are looking magnificent. You're making me envious :S3:

[Weedhound]

Thanks for stopping by gainseville and for the nice comments. Please feel free to share any input into growing that you can.....that's what this thread is for. ;)

[Rock.Steady]

thats nice:thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

I don't really know if this photo will do you any good but it's the only decent one I got. I threw in a couple of the entire clone just you could see it in all its glory. :D

[SnSstealth]

might have some hope WH..is it the one you took after flowering?...dont nute it yet...maybe a wee nitrogen...but i dont know of clones after flowering reverting good....(crossing fingers)...i got a lil prob i need some help on too if you wouldnt mind stoppin but my thread WH
thanks
:jointsmile:
whiskeytango

[Opie Yutts]

Attention WH and MVP:

I'm going to stop saying your stuff looks real good. It would be much easier for me if you would just assume that I think your stuff is amazing, and I'll tell you if I believe otherwise. That should save me a lot of typing.

[gainesvillegreen]

Thanks for stopping by gainseville and for the nice comments. Please feel free to share any input into growing that you can.....that's what this thread is for. ;)

Input? from me? Personally, I stick to the motto "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". Your plants look awesome, period.

I think you've sold me on Botanicare. I'm going to consider telling my buddy to use just their PBP line next go around, maybe even with the AK-99 he's got going now.

[Weedhound]

I actually started with the Botanicare line because it was a one part nute.....then added the CalMAg later after ph issues with my well water so it was strictly a convenience thing but I've been very happy with their stuff so far. :) The other folks I'm a big fan of is Dutchmaster and their products. They have what I believe is a one part nute called "Gold" that I've been thinking of trying. Anyone familiar with it?

[MVP]

Attention WH and MVP:

I'm going to stop saying your stuff looks real good. It would be much easier for me if you would just assume that I think your stuff is amazing, and I'll tell you if I believe otherwise. That should save me a lot of typing.

Just make sure that you keep stopping by and checking up on me/us... I feel we all can learn from each other and you and I certainly have similar traits (pot-kettle-black, ya know...).

At any rate I will accept your compliment that my stuff usually looks decent, until I run into my next nute def. situation and start freaking out. Then, Opie, throw me a lifeline and tell me to chill the F out...

[MVP]

I don't really know if this photo will do you any good but it's the only decent one I got. I threw in a couple of the entire clone just you could see it in all its glory. :D

Glad you threw in the 2nd pic too, I get prespective and can still see her little root starting there as well. The yellowing is normal as she is pulling nutrients from leaves, essentially 'eating her own leaves' as Opie puts it. The fact that she is not wilted or droopy is great. Now its a bit of a waiting game. How long ago did you cut her and start the process?

[Weedhound]

started on 2/1. What do you think? Right now it's just ph'd water with some clonex in it. Also....how humid is too humid.....or what would I watch out for?

[MVP]

With clones, they prefer 85-95 percent humidity which is why a dome and anti-wilt or equivalent is important. I usually mix a 1/4 strength solution of grow nutes and add it at the 5-7 day mark. I haven't paid attention to what PPM that equates to, but I'm estimating 250-300 PPM. You can always try it on the lighter side and kick it up when she responds well....

[SnSstealth]

the ganja fairies will be with you.......:stoned:

whiskeytango

[MVP]

Hound, your new AV is so totally damn funny. I just watched the comedian guy do that bit on Comedy Central last weekend.... silence, I kill you.... HAHAHAHAHAHA :silly:

I see you found me at that other place ;) Some outstanding grow logs and knowledgable friends I have met there as well...

[Weedhound]

Thanks I want to use it an an avy on IC mag but I dont know how to shrink the image to 100 x 100 pixels. Any clues?

[MVP]

Thanks I want to use it an an avy on IC mag but I dont know how to shrink the image to 100 x 100 pixels. Any clues?

I just resized it 100 x 70 and emailed it to you... :stoned:

[Weedhound]

Oh bless you MVP.....do I need 100 posts at Gardens cure before I can have an avatar?

[Rock.Steady]

aha, been wonderin why so quiet here.

dont mean to hyjak,,,,,,but,,,,

WH, a quickie question.
seems one of my 3 BR sprouts got a lil weird this week.
the other day looked like the pic.

newer growth yellowin to a very pale yellow, doesnt affect the veins, just patches within the green.
its only on 2 of the 3, and this 1 is worse than the other.

i checked PH of soil and water runoff, both were high 6's, which should be very good.

even tho i didnt see an issue, i flushed the soil, and last gal thru gave a lite dose of veg nutes and ST.

it has since grown more and looks like might be recovering

any ideas?

[MVP]

Oh bless you MVP.....do I need 100 posts at Gardens cure before I can have an avatar?

Yes, 30 days active and 100 posts at GC. I started posting there when CC was up and down all of the time. :jointsmile:

[Weedhound]

Rock I'm sorry but I dont have a CLUE about your soil seedling. I can't even get a normal one to root in soil. :( Anyone with tips please chime in as I'm trying to learn about soil growing these days myself.

PS....you checked your ph? On your own? :eek: :D

[Opie Yutts]

Just make sure that you keep stopping by and checking up on me/us... I feel we all can learn from each other and you and I certainly have similar traits (pot-kettle-black, ya know...

Oh absolutely, I didn't mean I wasn't going to check out your threads anymore, far from it. I'm just going to stop saying, "Wow, really nice", then 4 posts later you put up a different picture and I say, "Lookin good as usual". Then after a few more posts you put up some photos of a new batch and I say, "How did you get those so healthy? Lookin real good." and so on...

Nope, just kinda tired of that. Assume that I believe yours and WH's default garden condition is green, good and nice, and I'll let you know if I believe otherwise. Otherwise continue as normal.

[Opie Yutts]

Thanks I want to use it an an avy on IC mag but I dont know how to shrink the image to 100 x 100 pixels. Any clues?

I see MVP took care of you like good weed buddies do, but just in case, for the future: In general, for most photo manipulation software you should be able to click Image, then Size. There you fill in the blank of either how big in distance or how big in pixels you want it to end up. If you want it to stay the same size proportionately vertically and horizontally, then check the box marked "Constrain Proportions" or something. If you reduce the size drastically, you should consider sharpening the image. Click Filter > Sharpen > Sharpen, or something. Preferably and if available, click Filter > Sharpen > Unsharpen Mask.

Oh, and cool new AV.

[Opie Yutts]

Yes, 30 days active and 100 posts at GC. I started posting there when CC was up and down all of the time. :jointsmile:

That doesn't tell us anything. They're up and down all of the time, most of the time.

[Opie Yutts]

Anyone with tips please chime in as I'm trying to learn about soil growing these days myself.

It's real easy for me. Soil plants are rooted in the cheapo aerocloner. 99.99% success if I do things right.

[Rock.Steady]

It's real easy for me. Soil plants are rooted in the cheapo aerocloner. 99.99% success if I do things right.

that post confused me.:wtf:


here is a pic from today.
it seems to have stopped progessing, according to the problem-guide by MynameStich, it looks like some kinda deficiency, but, i dunno. why now all of the sudden? altho, i did add another brand of plain potting soil to my mix this round, hmmm, maybe thats got something to do with it, maybe i thinned out the MG soil too much?:wtf:

i am starting to believe i been following the moisture meter too rigidly, i'm gonna be a lil more liberal with all waterings until i see a problem.

[Opie Yutts]

Sorry Rock, maybe I should have included more of the quote. I think she was asking for tips on rooting in soil. My tip is don't do it. Root in her new fancy schmancy aero cloner, and put em in the soil. Yuck, oh well you gotta do what you gotta do.


Rock I'm sorry but I dont have a CLUE about your soil seedling. I can't even get a normal one to root in soil. :( Anyone with tips please chime in as I'm trying to learn about soil growing these days myself.

About the problem, it looks a whole lot like heat stress to me, especially since it's only on the very top, but if not, the interveinal chlorosis indicates Fe (iron) deficiency (possibly Mg deficiency too). Let's hope it's the first one since it's much easier to fix.

[Weedhound]

Actually I'm looking for ANYTHING on soil....including if someone can solve Rock's issue because I just KNOW I'll have the same problem next. ;)

[Rock.Steady]

Sorry Rock, maybe I should have included more of the quote. I think she was asking for tips on rooting in soil. My tip is don't do it. Root in her new fancy schmancy aero cloner, and put em in the soil. Yuck, oh well you gotta do what you gotta do.



About the problem, it looks a whole lot like heat stress to me, especially since it's only on the very top, but if not, the interveinal chlorosis indicates Fe (iron) deficiency (possibly Mg deficiency too). Let's hope it's the first one since it's much easier to fix.

yeah, ironically, i didnt make my cloner yet,LOL!
and actually, i thought rooting then putting in soil would shock them? no?

I also was thinkin nute def.
heat doesnt really make alotta sense, its only on that 1 and i treat them all the same.

oh crap!
do you think using the Liquid Light a week or 2 ago coulda hurt them, like heat stress?
thats the only odd/new part of the scenario.:wtf:

[Opie Yutts]

Actually I'm looking for ANYTHING on soil....including if someone can solve Rock's issue because I just KNOW I'll have the same problem next.

I love hydro for many reasons, one of them being it's soooo much easier to fix problems. Here's what I do when I have a problem in soil:

1) Figure out what the problem is using various problem charts.
2) Very carefully clip off any problem leaves that will not come back.
3) Gently remove the plant from the container, and put the container on the pile of containers.
4) Rough up the roots a little around the edge of the dirt ball.
5) Escort the plant to the nearest pile of brush and toss it in when it's looking the other way.

[Opie Yutts]

heat doesnt really make alotta sense, its only on that 1 and i treat them all the same.

oh crap!
do you think using the Liquid Light a week or 2 ago coulda hurt them, like heat stress? thats the only odd/new part of the scenario.:wtf:

Nute problem it is then. I don't think LL would have anything to do with it, unless you didn't use Penetrator and some LL pooled on the surface of the leaves. I doubt this is what happened. Good luck, I feel for you. Sorry I can't help more, except to suggest you put it in the plant problems area.

[Rock.Steady]

so, i guess from that detailed essay:wtf:, you keep Mothers in Hydro?
how do you control their growth so they dont get out of control?

thats assuming you dont grow everything from seed.

-add-on-
if its nutes, i think the flushin may have helped it.
its just the 1. im gonna let it ride for now.

[Weedhound]

I love hydro for many reasons, one of them being it's soooo much easier to fix problems. Here's what I do when I have a problem in soil:

1) Figure out what the problem is using various problem charts.
2) Very carefully clip off any problem leaves that will not come back.
3) Gently remove the plant from the container, and put the container on the pile of containers.
4) Rough up the roots a little around the edge of the dirt ball.
5) Escort the plant to the nearest pile of brush and toss it in when it's looking the other way.


A fine strategy imo. :D :thumbsup:

[hatch]

Msr.WeedHound, What's up, I like Aeroponics. I biult my own,( what I call POD's--16@20gal rubbermates)- You can have up to 35 clones ,or 18veg/preflower, and 8 to Flower-in. They each have 7-jet-on high riser's, so spray comes from top and drain's down the root's, I use 1700 or better pump's ( the finer the mist better the Oxygen).

I have great luck with this home-made aero system, All the POD's are tied to the drain system's res. No standing water in the POD's, just a Mist @ Oxygen, I have three fillter's in-line to keep the Jet's clean. Way Down South,HATCH [email protected] . This was my first ever attempt at PhotoGraphy.Later

[Opie Yutts]

This was my first ever attempt at PhotoGraphy.Later

What is? I would love to see photos of your set up, and any additional info you could provide about your filtration system.

[Opie Yutts]

so, i guess from that detailed essay:wtf:, you keep Mothers in Hydro?
how do you control their growth so they dont get out of control?

thats assuming you dont grow everything from seed.


All my mothers are in dirt so they will grow extra slow. It's easy to slow growth in hydro or soil. Just use insufficient bluish lighting. If you use reddish lighting they will stretch too much. I rarely grow from seed.

[hatch]

What is? I would love to see photos of your set up, and any additional info you could provide about your filtration system.

groups,msn.com/Way Down South, HATCH Style. I went and bought a dig. cam. ( I have never needed to show any-one inside Research Center ), I took the cam out of the box @ set up flood-light's, should not have Done That! I have since read the instr. and know what all those F'N button's mean. P.S. The yellow you may see is my camera work not the plant's. Later

[Weedhound]

Hatch, sounds like time to get your own grow log thread......;)

[MVP]

Yo Hound, how long did you let your MK go until the triches showed amber? :stoned::stoned::stoned:

[hatch]

Hatch, sounds like time to get your own grow log thread......;)

Sorry, He wanted to see a picture of my filter's. And I felt sorry for that little baby in that soil. So I that I would Share some Healthy Babies. Later

[SnSstealth]

lol.....wow....looks like im a dying breed...lol, looks like nute def WH. sorry so late, worked all weekend. STAY DIRTY!!
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[shaggytodope]

I sure wish I could talk some of you into trying a completely vertical side lit setup, You will freal out when you see what happens. Anyone ever get tired of throwing good clones away? Anyone want some? NL5, Frostbite, NL5xBBxC99 huge freaking yielder!, Grandaddy purple, Mendo purps?. I cant even smoke that C99 cross it makes me freak out, heart racing dam near seeing things, cant breath and shit, Now the Grandaddy Purple is my Fave, Taste like grape kool-aid, me licks my lips!

[Weedhound]

I sure wish I could talk some of you into trying a completely vertical side lit setup, You will freal out when you see what happens. Anyone ever get tired of throwing good clones away? Anyone want some? NL5, Frostbite, NL5xBBxC99 huge freaking yielder!, Grandaddy purple, Mendo purps?. I cant even smoke that C99 cross it makes me freak out, heart racing dam near seeing things, cant breath and shit, Now the Grandaddy Purple is my Fave, Taste like grape kool-aid, me licks my lips!

How did this thread turn into a bus station?? Dude....please....get your own thread. :wtf:

[MVP]

How did this thread turn into a bus station?? Dude....please....get your own thread. :wtf:

Wow, taking out the trash is getting to be far more common nowadays.... :postexcuseme:

BTW, your experience with MK? And how long you let them go until they showed amber and then harvest?

MVP :jointsmile:

[Weedhound]

sorry MVP.....i get lost very easily so when odd posts like that drop in my brain just goes out the window.

Mine were speed demons if you recall....I had one finish at 47 days and the other at 57 days......I think the second plant was between 10-20 percent amber and I can't remember about the first but they were definitely done at that point.

[SnSstealth]

hwy WH, are they MK or MK-ultra?both 2 of my favs, but i didnt know they finished that early....did you do anything to get them done that fast? or is that the strain characteristic?
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

Howdy Stealth,

They finished like that on their own.....in fact I tried to slow them down but couldn't. The breeder mentions 8 weeks so one just went nuts imo....finishing at 47 days. Oh...they were straight up Master Kush.....no ultra involved.

Let me find a pic.....brb.....

[Weedhound]

Here's a few photos.

The early one only yielded 4+ oz but the second one ended up being much better at close to 7 oz if I remember correctly.

[SnSstealth]

fast little fuckers eh? i love me some kush....patiently waiting on pic............heh

[SnSstealth]

godamn WH, very lovely!!! hella harvest too! lol

[Opie Yutts]

I sure wish I could talk some of you into trying a completely vertical side lit setup, You will freal out when you see what happens.

Coming soon to a grow near me. Actually in my house. Stay tuned. Check your rep.

[Opie Yutts]

Hey WH, Nice looking... Ah forget it.

[Weedhound]

Hey WH, Nice looking... Ah forget it.

:)

So here is my third try in dirt and again, a seedling with no true leaves. Anyone have any idea what might be up? Soil is Fox Farm Ocean forest....brand new....(Stealth...;)) do you think the 400 mh lighting might be too strong? Maybe the seeds are AFU because of the Reverse? The first seed seemed fine until I fried it with bug spray.

i've honestly never seen a seed do this and now twice....the last seedling proceeded to start twisting around in circles (REALLY weird...like it was BLIND....YEAH CAUSE IT HAD NO REAL LEAVES....:eek:)

anyway.....thoughts appreciated.

[Weedhound]

In that order.....

Interestingly I have not had any problems with the white widow since the initial FOREVER that it took to sprout and it's done very well on a normal nute program.

Both of these plants show some twisting on the older leaves from the Liquid Light.

[SnSstealth]

the WW looks lovely ;)....as far as the seedling...whats your distance from the MH to the plant? i used to always pop my seeds in dirt under the 400MH....
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[Rock.Steady]

reminiscent of Betty and her group.
too much lite/heat IMO

got a daylight cfl u can put about 4 inches away?

how old is it?

[Weedhound]

Both doing very well.....no signs of defs or problems. I actually had to lst both of them because they've gotten so bushy. Dutch Dragon is the darker green one in the last two photos.

[Weedhound]

I have begun flushing both this plant and cotton candy mix. This plant smells absolutely heavenly....AND strong!! Apparently there is some "swiss skunk" in this strain. The buds are pretty monstrous as well and the entire plant reminds me of something like a banana plant or something.

[SnSstealth]

damn WH, those are lookin LOVELY!!! expecially the church...mmm
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

This plant has had it pretty hard and still come through very well considering. Not long after I broke one nice branch off her I broke one on the other side as well......and NO I didn't mean to break off either one. :wtf:

Despite that she's caught up great and bulked up very well despite all the mutilation. :eek: :stoned:

[Rock.Steady]

dammm WH, those look so good, i just wanna take a big bite outta them:thumbsup:

[SnSstealth]

is that just 2 plants?...HELLA budz, congrats WH:thumbsup:
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[hatch]

Look's like some Sweet Bud!! Lot's of bud site's, do you top alot or is it the strain? happy Smoken. later

[Treetops]

Hey Weedhound,
Quite an impressive stable of girls you have there...Your work is commendable....Very nice looking plants...

Did you do anything with your NorCalDGs? Was waiting for a pic of one to be the next post...:)

Thanks,
Treetops:thumbsup:

[Opie Yutts]

Oh my goodness, how friggen cute can you get? I need me a dog like that.

[Opie Yutts]

Oh, and I figured out the problem of your seedling for you... YOU'RE GROWING IN SOIL!

[SnSstealth]

ouch opie! lol....its not the poor dirt! WH, did you get those ladies like that just from topping?
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[gainesvillegreen]

Smackin' my lips Weedhound :jointsmile: Too bad you ain't my neighbor... neighbor's share, right?

[Weedhound]

Don't you have alligators for neighbors gainesville? Do they share? Florida.....the last frontier..... :D

Thanks for the nice comments everyone as always :) The church will be ready to come down within a few days.....looking at a bud last night (from the way bottom no less) and the trichs are coming up about 10% amber so she's very close.

The cotton candy will probably be another week thanks to the mass destruction I caused her. :wtf:

[SnSstealth]

yeah we got gators down here....lol, we are a lil further south than gainsville......i gotta get with you on your topping teqniques WH...lovely spelling huh?
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

Stealth I only top once.....about week 4 I snip the top and that's it. ;)

[SnSstealth]

nice....so you just let the good side branches come out instead of the lollypop style huh?...Im no fan of the lollypop either...me likes bush;)
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

i like them short.....but not too short.

SOIL SEEDLING UPDATE:

Well after watching the seedling for several days I see absolutely no sign that it has any intention of growing new leaves so I've yanked it. I'm starting one more in soil under a cfl as Rock suggested instead of the mh I've been using and see if it makes a difference. Once I pulled it I noticed that BOTH leafless seedlings had nice strong tap roots and appeared quite healthy......just none of those silly jagged leaves most other plants have. :wtf:

I am starting to wonder about these seeds......and am hoping its NOT a side effect of the Reverse causing the issue here. I guess we'll find out with this seed. :cool:

[SnSstealth]

ganja fairies are in your garden......;)
WT

[Opie Yutts]

mmmm, more like gremlins I think.

[gottagrow4]

ok so im kinda new to this site and i see your name all over it givin people advice and tips and what not so i started a grow log myself and was hopin you could keep an eye on me and let me know what you think...i got lots of pics and will be updating alot..by the way your plants all look awesome...i hope mine wil look as good one day
http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/149609-first-grow-any-help-appreciated.html#post1811190

[Weedhound]

Taken down today.

This plant did pretty well considering the branches I broke off but it seemed while we trimming it we noticed the branches were much more easily broken than normal and I'm not really sure why because the plant seemed quite healthy all through the grow.

The church plant will come in the next few days. :cool:

Also started a Nexus seed and one of my Master Kush seeds as well. :)

[SnSstealth]

oh so lovely....cant wait for the church...MK too!! damnit, i love my jack, but those two......very impressive yield WH!:thumbsup:

:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[xcrispi]

Taken down today.

This plant did pretty well considering the branches I broke off but it seemed while we trimming it we noticed the branches were much more easily broken than normal and I'm not really sure why because the plant seemed quite healthy all through the grow.

The church plant will come in the next few days. :cool:

Also started a Nexus seed and one of my Master Kush seeds as well. :)

How much did it yield Sis. ?
I think your gonna like the church too .
Peace
Crispi :jointsmile:

[d4twamp]

Taken down today.

This plant did pretty well considering the branches I broke off but it seemed while we trimming it we noticed the branches were much more easily broken than normal and I'm not really sure why because the plant seemed quite healthy all through the grow.

The church plant will come in the next few days. :cool:

Also started a Nexus seed and one of my Master Kush seeds as well. :)

WH did you say that CC was 61 days from germ 2 harvest, or 61 days of flowering......

later D4twamp:S5:

[Weedhound]

Hi Damp,

That's sixty one days of flowering only......another five weeks from seed so total almost 100 days.

X-C....haven't weighed yet but she filled out VERY nicely from a couple weeks ago. Such a shame I busted branches off BUT I WIIL SAY that for some reason the branches broke off really easily and seemed unusually fragile for the plants I am used to. Excuses, excuses.....:D I think what is hanging will be about 3-4 oz.

No seeds....no nanners and I don't see any on the church plant either.

To update on the other two.....they're both starting to make some very nice buds. You HAVE to love a plant that gets right down to business and that is DEFINITELY the power plant. No fooling around, no excess leaves or growing....just right to work in the most efficient way possible. Impressive!!

The dutch dragon on the other hand is becoming one of those problem children that are going to be a hassle all the way through. WAY too many useless leaves that grow super long petioles (MORE wasted energy) so the leaves can be a mile away from the bud and STILL block the light to other buds trying to grow. It's required more pruning than I like but in the past I've let plants like that "do their thing" and then been sorry later for not putting in the energy to lst etc and exposing good bud sites to the light so I'm trying to do it right this time. :D

[Weedhound]

Look at those beauties on her!! FINALLY! Now if I can avoid killing it in one of my hundred and twenty ways......

[zebulon]

:eek: Wow.....at last, this one has leafs...:D

Could we please see pic of the PP??? I really can't wait to see it flowering...

[Weedhound]

Ok I'll grab one a little later today and post it. ;)

[Rock.Steady]

Look at those beauties on her!! FINALLY! Now if I can avoid killing it in one of my hundred and twenty ways......

woohoo!:woohoo:

[Weedhound]

Taken down today. I had a nice photo of her too before chopped and somehow erased it. :wtf: As it is....got a photo of the top bud and of everything hanging. That's BOTH plants there.....the cotton candy still has a few days as well. :)

The top bud section weighed out to 56 grams (25% of wet weight)
but that includes that big stem so we'll see when it dries and I trim it. The buds were nicely dense but not TOO dense. All in all a nice plant......awaiting true smoke report.

[Weedhound]

Both plants are doing well but you can easily see the difference between them. And I'm talking strictly about the way the plant the grows. The DD has leaves going off everywhere (and I've pruned that plant already) Both plants are topped once and lst'd.

#1 Power Plant.

#2 Dutch Dragon

[MVP]

Gotta love that PP getting right to it. Can't wait to hear how the smoke report turns out.

[hydrocannabis]

dammmmmmm. hound. thouse plants R finger looking good.
:thumbsup:

I wish I could grow like U do.:D

[Rock.Steady]

WH,
what can i say that hasnt been said:wtf:,,,,,,,:thumbsup:

i will say 1 thing.

if it were me, i would clone that PP for sure.
2 reasons.
1-looks really healthy
2-when i was in frisco, got it from 1 of the better clubs, buddy is a member. it was one of the most energetic, fully-functional, enjoyable nugs ive yet been introduced to by name.
great for being productive thru a 'happy' day.

2 thumbs up and highly recomended.:thumbsup::thumbsup::cool:

[Weedhound]

Well I have a few more F seeds from it so the line will stay....I DID try cloning both this one and the DD without success......I think I need to work on my watering times because when I tried before all I did was make everything too soggy.

[MVP]

Well I have a few more F seeds from it so the line will stay....I DID try cloning both this one and the DD without success......I think I need to work on my watering times because when I tried before all I did was make everything too soggy.

Hey Hound, I took cuts from the BD that was 5 weeks + into flower and after 7-10 days pre-root 'nubs' were showing and she finally pushed out roots after 2-1/2 weeks. I have the bubbler set for 45 min off/15 min on and that seems to work the best.

I tried 15 min every 2 hours (1:45 on/0:15 off) and it let the roots dry too much. I adjusted the water level down an inch or two and I get damp roots but not soaked. Keep trying, even if they are in 12/12 some will root. Just takes a bit more time.

P.S. I used only Liquid Karma for nutes after the first 7 days. I just followed the directions on the container.

[Weedhound]

I wouldn't mind taking some cuts off that Dutch Dragon siimply because she has millions of stuff popping out in all directions that will never see the light. I'm waiting to turn my WW and WB though so I can make some room under the cfls. Right now my soil seedling is under them and it will be awhile before I can put her under an mh. The power plant I almost hate to touch since it's doing so damn well all by itself.

Thanks for the tip MVP.....I think getting the watering down right is my last step. I'll try the 15/45 next.

Who amongst you knows about the PPP....Pure Power Plant. Be something to try??? :confused:

[Weedhound]

PS....Cotton candy plant weighed out at 142 grams... 5 oz, 2 grams. :thumbsup:

It will be several days before the Church plant will be dry enough to weigh. ;)

[MVP]

If you have the space I would take the 'extras' that DD is growing down under and practice your cuts and cloning skills. I have my bubbler sitting under 2x 23W CFL using a Y socket in a cheap aluminum reflector (10 bucks from HD).

If you want a good laugh check my cloning thread to see my BD in a mini bubbler made from a go-cup...

[Weedhound]

our capsule making post in recipes when you guys get the chance.

http://boards.cannabis.com/recipes/150409-hounds-cannabis-capsule-guide-flame-s-recipe.html

[Opie Yutts]

our capsule making post in recipes when you guys get the chance.

http://boards.cannabis.com/recipes/150409-hounds-cannabis-capsule-guide-flame-s-recipe.html

5 stars. Opie Yutts Reporter
Couldn't put it down. The Daily Opie
A must read. The Yutts Times
If you only read one thread this year, this has to be the one. Yuttsweek

[Weedhound]

5 stars. Opie Yutts Reporter
Couldn't put it down. The Daily Opie
A must read. The Yutts Times
If you only read one thread this year, this has to be the one. Yuttsweek

Dude you are SO hilarious.....you slay me. :S2:

[stinkyattic]

The PP and DD look MM (good).
That PP clones vigorously and might be a good strain to practice your cloning on. Switch to a bloom fert for a week before taking clones to increase rooting speed (less N will slow leaf growth, more P for encouraging roots, more K for immune system).

[Weedhound]

Stinkster you were NOT kidding about that power plant.....it's practically growing itself and seems so efficient and businesslike that it could probably smoke itself too. :D

[stinkyattic]

Don't let it smoke itself; the 'businesslike' goes out the window... tie comes off... shoes come off... feet go up on coffee table... keep that plant in LINE!!! lol!

[Weedhound]

Don't let it smoke itself; the 'businesslike' goes out the window... tie comes off... shoes come off... feet go up on coffee table... keep that plant in LINE!!! lol!

:S2: Stinkster RULES!! :thumbsup:

[rhizome]

Love Power Plant.

" ...the term unblow-upable is tossed around a lot these days..." ( Homer Simpson, imm. before blowing something up).

But seriously, that line is markedly undervalued- it's a good solid producer that will pretty much thrive thru anything ( Go ahead, try to overfeed it...) and still tosses pretty good smoke.

Outdoor commercial guys are starting to re-discover it- does well thru drought.

Try running a couple of cuts ( if ya can get em, but the shit'll pretty much root if you stick it in damp dirt) single cola and ramp up the feed to a sort of a " not burnt, but lightly toasted" level- you'll get footballs on a stick.

Not sexy, not pretentious, perhaps even a bit sour in the bouquet, but tough to beat if you absolutely positively have to grow some pot.

[Rock.Steady]

i'll say it again, PP rocked my ass when in frisco.
loved it, loved it, loved it.
buzzy buzzy , up up.
kept my up-mojo all day after the wake n bake.

i WISH i could get those beans, but, i have gotten some new 'gifts' so, i aint cryin:thumbsup:

[Opie Yutts]

Rock, don't you remember? That frisco shit is the one we laced.

[zebulon]

Hey let's start a PP lover club, cuz i love the PP too...in 2001 i had a Power Plant outdoors....it was one of the best ever since...i really loved the taste and the high of it...
Here is a pic how it looks indoors...but i think WH's PP will look much better....:thumbsup:

[Shovelhandle]

I think I'd like to try PPP some time. The rep sounds rtoo good.

SHov

[Weedhound]

So both my Nexus and Master Kush seeds have popped and been putinto the system. At this point I am hand watering so they don't get soggy. I usually do this for the first days but I put them in the system pretty young.

[Weedhound]

I conducted a bunch of tests with Rock's cloner and thought I had it down perfectly and then yesterday put in a bunch of clones and they ALL wilted overnight. I need to get a larger pump (as Opie said) and more practice.....I REALLY thought I had the system down.

So in the meantime I've tried again with my cloner and had questions. I'm pretty sure the seedlings got too dry.....is that what causing the wilting? If not can someone straighten me out about why they wilt?

[Weedhound]

All doing well...even the soil one (actually....that's soil #4)

[Rock.Steady]

im voting for 25% more perlite if u go to 'dirt#5':)

or maybe on transplant.

[Weedhound]

I've had issues with perlite.....BAD ISSUES. I asked my hydro guy if I needed perlite for this soil and he said no so I'm not doing it. He said you CAN use it but with this particular soil (Fox Farm Ocean Forest) I don't need to have it. I may try some on my NEXT :eek: soil grow though because it does seem to require less watering than I am used to in my many years of soil experience. :D

[Weedhound]

So this power plant had been starting to take a dive and I've been doing things to try and fix the problem but I am starting to come to the conclusion that the plant is rootbound. (see photo)

At first I thought the issue was too much nitrogen so I dropped my CalMag level from 400ppm to 200ppm about one week ago. Since then the problem has gotten worse so nitrogen OD is out. Right now my numbers are standing at about 1200ppm and dropping back the numbers to about 1000 did not improve the issue either. My ph is between 5.5-6.2 religously so that's not the problem either.

This morning Mr Hound and I pulled up the bucket and guess what? About six times the amount of roots normally in my buckets.....what the hell is that about? I'm thinking I've found the problem but want everyone's elses thoughts ......PLEASE.....because I don't really know what to do with this plant. I vegged this plant for five weeks before turning.....was that too long? Thoughts people? :confused:

My (simple) plan so far is to cut the nutes in half and water this thing by hand in a seperate bucket with 1/2 strength nutes and try to limp it through but I'd LOVE any other ideas. I'd hate to lose this plant but it seems to have gotten worse in a hurry and I'm just not sure what to do. (Keep in mind this plant has SEVERAL WEEKS to go until finish.) :eek:

As you can see the Dutch Dragon is unaffected (last photo) .....and actually the pruning I did on it for clone cuttings seem to have made it alot happier as well. I shall have to reconsider my rule of not pruning plants in the future (depending on situation of course) :cool:

[Hennessy1414]

WH do you think its a good idea to cut off lower branches closest to where the stem hits the dirt. i mean my plant its growing really scronny leaves and branches on the lower part of it. should i chop them to improve on the higher branches? :rastasmoke:

[SnSstealth]

hey WH....havent been on in a bit...laptop took a shit...i didnt use any perlite in my ocean forrest...water still runs through pretty fast..very airy stuff.......
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

and i think you did veg too long...IMHO...PP is one of those strains like jack herer, that you usually put into flowering at 12in...3-4 weeks, or as soon as the clones root.....IMO

[Weedhound]

Thanks for the input Stealth......do you think that is what is causing this situation....rootbound?

[SnSstealth]

i do actually...been trying to think what i would do though.....hmmmm
gonna smoke another...brb with an idea
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[Opie Yutts]

WH, If everything else is correct as you say it is, my vote is for root bound. That's a lot of damn roots. Why don't you just put it in a 5 gallon bucket instead of 3 for the remainder? I disagree about a certain time to put plants into flower mode. It can be anytime. You could veg for several years if your container was big enough. What bad issues have you had with perlite? I didn't know it could cause any issue other than the need to water more often.

[Weedhound]

Opie...Thanks....we all seem to be coming to the same conclusion here. I think the key phrase is.....if your container is big enough and it sure looks like mine isnt.

One possible scenario I'd like ideas for....just in thinking stages......would it be possible to transplant this plant into a five gallon container of soil?

[Opie Yutts]

I believe it would. In fact I know it would be possible. Not sure how probable though. I do root my cuttings for dirt in my cloner, then plant them in dirt sometimes. They look just like yours, only smaller. It works great, never had one die or even look close. You just gently fill dry dirt around the roots then soak the soil until it runs through well, and don't water again until it's dry. A bit of anti-shock in the water might be good too. The only problem I see with doing that with so many roots is that it will likely create one flat layer of roots instead of a nice network branching everywhere. I don't see how you could get the roots to branch out, but perhaps you could divide them into 4 groups or something. I imagine that would be better than one big lump. Why don't you want to just put her in a bigger bucket? No space?

Perlite issue?

[Weedhound]

http://boards.cannabis.com/growing-information/119261-wow-how-did-i-stay-off-soil-train-so-long.html

Opie...the problem I had was the perlite CAUSING a drainage issue instead of assisting it. I had the problem in that thread.....so haven't used perlite since in all my years of soil growing since. Op...you need to understand that I don't have normal problems like normal people so I can't explain WHY I had the problem.....only that I did.

I'm wondering about soil instead of a larger container for this reason. I think this plant has about 4 weeks to go.....it's slowed down significantly in the last week. If a three gallon hydro container won't hold it for 4 weeks, why would 2 more gallons fix the problem? I'm wondering if I'm just going to have another rootbound plant in two more weeks and am PONTIFICATING if growing it in soil would be a better answer for the roots (and ME!!) Or perhaps start looking for an even LARGER dwc container than a five gallon (i have something around somewhere)

[Weedhound]

X-crispi mentioned an airstone in the bottom so I'm off to do that.....back later....thanks everyone. :)

[Weedhound]

for a better home for this plant :D and here is what they sniffed out. :wtf: A large container that holds 50 lbs of dry horse feed; cleaned, taped and a hole cut in the top. I would guess this container would hold about 15 gals of water but we only filled it halfway....maybe 8 gallons or so.

X-Crispi mentioned airstone so we glued a six one in the bottom for extra O2 to the roots and cut the ppms back to about 700 to give the plant some time to recover.

I also posted something in hydro so I'll go over there and post the photos in that thread as well.

Thoughts? I have to thank EVERYONE.....I can name part of an idea or suggestion from everybody that helped us put this together.

Hope it works!!

[Weedhound]

WH do you think its a good idea to cut off lower branches closest to where the stem hits the dirt. i mean my plant its growing really scronny leaves and branches on the lower part of it. should i chop them to improve on the higher branches? :rastasmoke:

I would only do it if they were crowding each other out (as mine were) or were contstantly soggy from touching the dirt or whatever.....otherwise no. I really think they draw nutes from the older leaves and if you take those leaves away without a good reason the plant will just start taking things from the newer leaves to compensate. My stuff was very crowded together and causing misshaped leaves etc...so it really took a jump when I cleared some of the crowded stuff out but I've also WAY overpruned plants as well (with poor results) and that's what made me afraid to prune things in the first place.

[zebulon]

:eek::eek: OMG WeedHound....:lol5: this is so cool, i love it....that PP gonna shoot strait through the roof, now that it has it's own Jacuzzi....really nice....:thumbsup:

I was thinking...now that you started to do soil grows again, how bout an outdoor grow??....i am sure that you would get lot's of help from the nice ppl. around here...

[Opie Yutts]

OMG. It didn't dawn on me that your plant might need more oxygen because I never dreamed in my wildest dreams that anyone would put roots in a non circulating container without an air stone. Shame on you. That alone could be the problem. Good luck. I'll bet she'll do fine now.

[Weedhound]

Opie the drip system DOES pump 02 into the roots....it's not made to be used with an airstone as it is NOT a DWC system....it's a DRIP system. However....this sytem is also recirculating as the contents are pumped out and recirculated through the res four times a day due to some modifications I made to it on my last grow. :thumbsup:

I DO think the issue is rootbound/suffocation and the last inch of nute solution that won't pump out.....hopefully we have solved this problem.

PS....I'm also doing a 24 hour flush for good voodoo. ;)

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Weedhound,

That Baby is huge I have never seen a root system that big. I was going to sugest a rubbermaid tub but you already solved that issue. I hope she comes back for you.

BOL JG.

[Weedhound]

Thanks Jerry. I'll open the curtains soon from the 12/12 and see if she's improved at all (or croaked overnite....:eek:)

[SnSstealth]

i think your golden WH....the bigger container should do it...thats a HELLA root ball, lol....good luck, Im sure she will be fine;)
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[MVP]

Good solution to the problem. You might wanna throw up couple extra airstones in there since the root ball is so large...

[Weedhound]

So I've always done my seedlings in the same place with no problems. TODAY I get up and went to water my soil baby and here is what I found.

After a thorough investigation and intense interrogation we were able to identify a perppetrator. :wtf:

[Weedhound]

Well I liked MVP's thought about extra airstones (mostly because the system would no longer be recirculating) so I threw in another (10 inch) one. I now have 3 seperate airlines bringing 02 into the water so I don't want to hear one single peep from this plant about not enough O2. :wtf:

Interestingly flushing the plant didn't get back much which I suppose is a testament to better drainage at least. I only got about 60ppms back which is nothing compared to the 300+ I used to regularly get with my flushes. That may be why I suddenly have plants with huge rootballs I suppose. We checked the Dutch Dragon and surprisingly it is NOT far behind in the root dept so we are making up another bucket in the next few days and will transfer that one as well. We figure we will simply reuse the buckets for the next set as well since the smaller w/f bucket fits nicely and this may well solve any future problems (hopefully!)

Anyone see a difference from yesterday? Good? Bad? None?

[Rock.Steady]

So I've always done my seedlings in the same place with no problems. TODAY I get up and went to water my soil baby and here is what I found.

After a thorough investigation and intense interrogation we were able to identify a perppetrator. :wtf:

OMG :S2: :jawdropper:

[Weedhound]

I know.....I should have known better but they NEVER touch my hydro seedlings......now I wonder if that's because those are surrounded by water......:wtf:

AND I have clones under the cfls so I can't plant a new one right now....:(

[SnSstealth]

damn, kitty stew?
lol......
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[b0n3ZA]

Nice grow log weedhound :)
Is there any chance of getting some close up shots of your flowers?

[Weedhound]

And now is looking as though she may not make it. The interesting thing is,......I have absolutely no clue why.

At this point I am going to stick her back on straight RO water....since she seemed to improve on that....and see what happens.

Thoughts ANYONE?

[xcrispi]

Good thinkin Sis .
Looks almost like a bigger version of what Brooke did w/ the big black dogfood containers . I'd drill a 1/2 in. hole in each corner of the lid so if the cell is rootbound and overflows you won't trash the spare room . Even if the cell is rootbound , atleast this route you can still try and finish the plant as a DWC .

I got my capsules and machine today B.T.W . Need to go to the freaky deaky healthfood store and get some coco oil now . :thumbsup:

G/B
Crispi :jointsmile:

[Weedhound]

Ok.....she's definitely worse today....significantly worse. I was very pleased with how she had seemed to bounce back in her new bucket and did a system flush which returned about 60ppm so at noon yesterday we put in six gallons of RO water at 850 ppms/ph 5.6. At six pm that evening the ppms (in six gallons of water were down to 650....ph 6.86...adjusted to 5.7. The pics are what we woke up to this morning. Ppms..660.....ph 6.0.

I am completely lost. There is no abnormal smell or look to either the water or the roots.

I called and spoke to my hydro guy and here is what he recommended I do. Spray plant thoroughly with Serenade. Place on nute solution of CalMag 300ppm/Pro Bloom 300ppm. Watch plant carefully and call him tomorrow with report.

I have done this....and sprayed all plants in the same room with Serenade as well. I've turned off the 1kw hps and will leave them on room light today....and perhaps even part of tomorrow (thanks to my last experience with Serenade.)

Thoughts anyone?

[stinkyattic]

When I see tops like that, with the downward droop/cupping, I think a couple things:
-Roots are feeling a bit crowded. That's a large plant! But, since I've seen you and crispi grow monsters, and recently witnessed Treetops' coffee can dwc.... that's unlikely.
-Strain. Not sure if this is your first time running this strain, but some will just naturally do that during flower. Not many, but it is listed as a strain trait on some strain writeups that I've seen on other grow forums.

If you have a couple shop lights or other flouros, I'd definitely hang them. While you don't want to subject a stressed plant (if it is indeed sick) to intense HID light, it does need SOME light to keep its metabolism going while it heals.

Another thing to look into would be a foliar with a silica supplement such as Silica Blast. Again, IF that is a fungal/bacterial issue, the added Si will let the plant grow stronger cell walls that are more resistant to disease.

I see you have a space heater in there; I usually tell people to put it up on something so that it is not pointing directly at any plants.

When you prepped the bucket, did you clean it, and with what? How well did you rinse it? What had been in the bucket previously?

[Weedhound]

Stinkster glad to see you. :) No she just went into a much larger bucket so the roots have plenty of room....or so I thought.....

This is a power plant. 5wks veg/5 weeks flower. Yes...first time I have grown it.

In RE-speaking to my hydro man we are coming to the conclusion of the third.....possibly pythium wilt....disease as you mentioned.

The bucket is one that I've been using to tote water for my hydro applications for awhile....hasn't been near horses in about a year and thoroughly cleaned w/bleach water before using yeserday. The thing....the plant was showing problems BEFORE we put it into this bucket. That's why we moved in the first place.

I have added 12 mls H202 35% to six gallons of RO water w/600 ppms and he is also having me take ANOTHER five gallons of RO water and put in 60mls H202 35% and let it sit for 24 hours. Then take said water.....add nutes (600ppm) and place plants in that solution.

Stinkster I could not say this to my hydro guy over the phone....power plant but I'd love your input since you've grown it. Is it possible this plant has just grown too fast for the container? It really did not improve with more room.......but what about inside the smaller bucket? I mean its not like this plant is a fussy one as a rule right?

My hydro guy is concerned that it seems to be going down quite fast.....too fast for a rootbound situation. Thoughts?

[stinkyattic]

I'm not sure if I see correctly- is the old bucket inside the new bucket or is that just the top section?
Can you get clear closeups of a couple of the worst-affected tops? Do you notice any darkening or softening of the main stem or is it just the petioles so far?
I don't recall seeing PPP do that curly thing. Hm.
Rootbound plants can go downhill real fast when they hit that wall where you have too high a plant mass : root mass ratio- chemistry becomes hard to control- but I can't be any more specific than that as DWC is pretty alien to me still, lol... I'm watching and learning... :D

[Weedhound]

A couple things I forgot to mention.....

We are pulling the little room heater but that is the second spot I've had the plant in (it was in the back) so I'm sure that its not blowing on the plant......However
because you just mentioned that it got me to thinking....... The weather is better so the grow section has been getting warmer at night than during the day.....again thinking.......reading up on pythium wilt it can affect roots ability to uptake water during certain periods of time.....such as when the plant has higher water needs......which may have been the situation in my little room and why the plant looks worse first thing inthe morning. Does any of this make sense?

PS....I'll figure out something with the lighting.....not sure what yet. How much wattage are you thinking?

Its just the top section inside larger bucket.

Stinky....I swear...these leaves act like they are SUFFOCATING. Like the time I put too much Serenade on and then the hot lights? They ARE soft and wilting and yes, somewhat on the main stem.

PS...the plant seems to have improved again.....this is so bizarre.

Quick Trading Company (http://www.quicktrading.com/askedcolumn.asp?column=57)

Here's where I got the info on pythium wilt. Its under the "Leaves Wilt During the Day" question.

[stinkyattic]

At least the equivalent of a couple 4' shop lights over the plants in the room. The point is to give ample light to continue normal metabolic processes, but not enough to cause rapid water loss.

Do you have some type of anti-transpirant available? A LIGHT mist with either neem oil or SMC leaf wash will do 2 things:

-prevent water loss
-prevent fungus taking hold worse than it might already be

Both neem and coriander oil protect against mold spores. DON'T over do it!!! LESS IS MORE!!! Now if that plant were actually suffocating, you would also see the leaves DARKENING when it got bad... do you see any evidence of that on the curled leaves?

Another thing -and this is a TOTAL stab in the dark but food for thought- think of the res temp and the room temp as they compare to each other. Is your res temp fluctuating with the weather change? I don't know how this would affect things but it might be a useful bit of info.

Rhiiiiiiii-zome! Rhizome! Where ya at hydro-whisperer?

[Weedhound]

Yes they ARE darkening...I was thinking nitrogen OD but there's almost 0 nitrogen in there anyway. But if the roots were squishing inside the top bucket....why would the plant improve and then get worse again?

[Weedhound]

Shop light? English?

[stinkyattic]

I stuck this in the other thread but wanted to post it here too...
I just noticed you JUST transplanted... 2 days ago~
I think that day/night wilt thing may be nothing more than transplant shock, and teh original problem was that it hadn't enough root space. This is one situation in which I would actually use SuperThrive in flower. NOT at the recommended dose though; I'd go even weaker and do a drop per 2 gallons instead of a drop per gallon.
It will take more than a couple days to pull out of this. Think when people take clones, for the first couple days they are often sad and wilty- don't fuss with it too much; those roots no doubt got pretty jostled and the tiny hairs damaged removing the previous 3 gallon pail from them .

Shop light= standard el cheapo tube flourescent fixture that many of us have kickin' around the cellar somewhere.

Darkening? How's your air exchange? Big vigorous plants need big amounts of CO2... gotta keep up with the air movement. But since the darkening from suffocation and the darkening from a N overdose is similar, maybe the superthrive isn't such a good idea after all... JUST IN CASE ;)

[Weedhound]

Stinky I honestly AM thinking suffocation here...The part of the leaves that are still soft and curled (the plant is now looking better at an amazing rate) and dark DARK green...the rest of the leaf if lighter green.....you can almost see where its getting 02 and not....looks like an artery vs a vein or something....i'll get some photos...not sure how much it will show.

[Weedhound]

What would make roots suffocate....and then get MORE 02 back in them....in the space of 24 hours.....while sitting in the same original bucket.

and Ps.....each time it does this MORE of the plant looks worse....I'm not really sure I buy transplant shock. The only thing I changed was from 2 gallons of water to six gallons....all else (except LOTS of xtra 02) remains the same.

The plant felt significantly better yesterday to suck down 200ppms from six gallons of water in six hours That just doesn't sound like a plant in shock to me. It then went rapidly downhill overnight. It sounds much more like the ebb and flow of symptoms of a sick plant trying to recover.

[Weedhound]

Not sure what to show so just took a bunch...I can take more if necessary....

[Weedhound]

One more time......

[xcrispi]

It's suffocating for sure .
The air , like electricty takes the path of least resistance . Bubbles are not penetrating that huge "SQUARE" :D block of roots , it's all coming up around the edges = no oxygen to the center of the root ball . It's happened to me w/ 1 plant in both my last 2 grows . Week 10 or so and limbo , plant just quits . Soon the fungus gnats will appear like w/ Deja mentioned in the other thread , maybe later due to your use of hydrozme .

Im gonna play in the dirt for a while cause im fed up w/ it myself . You still interested in a Intelitrack mover cheap Stinky - Email me ?

Peace
Crispi :jointsmile:

[Weedhound]

Hey how did a guy from Nigeria learn all this plant stuff?

[Rock.Steady]

Nigeria was once covered by lush and fertile rainforests.:cool:

[Weedhound]

Before X-C arrived you mean? :D

Ok the issue is INDEED lack of root space. We cut the smaller bucket apart (4 slits down sides....crack open leaving bottom intact and it is a MESS of crowded roots, fert, and crud It's like a bottleneck at the bottom and that's where the issue is imo.

We have flushed it as well as we can......I will show a pic in a few of what we got out in a afew but with four more weeks to go I seriously doubt this plant would be able to finish normally. As it is....I'll give it a day to see if it improves then it's gone. I don't have the slightest desire to put tons on energy into nursing a sick plant with a piss-poor (if ANY) yield at the end.

[Rock.Steady]

nice maternal instincts:wtf:


*ducks for cover from the frying pan now swinging for his head*

[Shovelhandle]

If grow space is precious then I'd consider giving up on a sickly plant. Otherwise I'd do what ever could be done.

sho

[Weedhound]

Shov, just ignore Rock.....he prefers the looooong grow. I agree with you that space/lighting etc are a BIG issue. I've lost an entire day of lighting due to one sick plant that has a REAL GOOD chance of not finishing. Doesn't really make sense to me to sacrifice the needs of three other healthy plants to nurse this thing along and "see if it makes it" and perhaps finish with an ounce or two.

I pretty much think the photos speak for themselves. The third photos shows about 2.5 gals of water flushed through the broken bucket and roots. (Ps....the REALLY light brown stuff floating at the top is bits of drilled plastic.)

We shall see........:cool: