The "C" Crowd

[rhizome]

I think the primary problem is that you just aren't getting water circulation around those roots- they're too packed. o2 rich water is just shunting around your incredibly dense rootball.

(See what happens when you let a powerplant eat all it wants?)

Anyway, it does kinda look like there may be a secondary pathogen issue- hopefully just psuedemonas shlurping up what ever 02 is making it to your roots, cause that's fixable.

Do the roots near the core feel kind of slimy?

I'd try to loosen up the rootball by hand and use my fingers to comb out any diseased tissue- I'm betting you've got a lot of semi-necrotic tissue in there that'll pop right out. It's nothing but a res of pathogens @ this point.

You could try boosting the o2 w/ some peroxide as well.

The wilt looks more like rhictozoma than pythium to me- but that's a pretty academic differance.

Seriously, with any luck it's just an aerobic slimecoat thing, and a little hand agitation and a good rinsing out will fix it.

This is gonna sound extreme, but have ya thought about physically inserting an airstone right into the center of that rootball? I mean, yeah, it's gonna shock the roots a little bit, but if it's intubation or suffocation, well, easy choice...

And def try the peroxide... Seen it stave off rhicto long enough to get out clean, if that's the problem.

[Weedhound]

Thanks Rhiz....it feels really good to get some confirmation of my thoughts.....

Remember my Master Kush roots? I think I'm better off than that but maybe not by much????

Rhiz....what were to happen if I pulled that bucket apart and let the roots and rocks fall out of that little bucket. Would I irreversibly rip out a bunch of roots? My thought is.....remove broken small red bucket....perhaps support the plant through the lid by the STEM?? or something? Does that make sense?

I have used peroxide at 12ml/5gal water (35%). Should I add more? I think you are right....the issue is that dense rootball needs more space.

I did seperate the larger roots into several groups that hang down instead sitting in a big lump but the ones in that little bucket are just crammed in there......

[rhizome]

what about some chopsticks stuck right thru the rootball, resting on top of supports in the bucket?

You gotta bust that up some- it's going sour.

[Weedhound]

I did indeed "break up" that big rootball thing this afternoon. ;)

[dejayou30]

That is what my roots looked like on my last grow! You asked me to get some pictures but I was too excited about harvesting and I forgot (sorry) but they looked pretty much like that, really black and disgusting up the middle and pretty slimy throughout. Hopefully your issues will turn around!

[stinkyattic]

I'm going to second the idea of inserting an airstone right into the root mass. You GOTTA force circulation somehow.
Shit, I didn't know that little red bucket was so solid or I'd have said something earlier about cutting larger pieces of it off so it looks less like swiss cheese and more like a skeleton!
Good thing the dro-whisperer can ID his pathogens ;)

[zebulon]

Any change ?? how is the patient??

[Weedhound]

Lol, I was dying to tell my hydro guy it was a power plant....got the funny feeling he'd have a better idea if he knew. The plant had been doing so well it just seemed suspicously familiar when it started to go down.....just so much EARLIER than had happend to me before.

I haven't looked at the plant yet this morning....lights out.....but thoughts about removing that red bucket and letting the big rootball hang in the dwc bucket.....perhaps supported the the bucket lid and it's stem or something.....make any sense?

Hey Zeb....got another hour or so before I can look at her. ;)

[Weedhound]

The plant looked a bit better this morning but after some discussion Mr Hound and I called it....while she did seem to improve minimally the fact was that we felt we simply lost too much time (the plant appeared more like 3 weeks into flower than 5) and there was a fair amount of damage done to about the top 1/3 of the it that the plant would have to recover from. With those two things in mind.....we scrapped it. BUT......we learned several cool things along the way that we believe will improve our future growing wihout having to destroy equipment every grow.

After "autopsy" I've pretty much come to the conclusion that that the plant got rootbound, crud built up where the water and aircirculation was poorest and/or non-existent and then disease took over. Can't prove it.......but I'm sticking by that story. :D

[zebulon]

That last pic looks nasty...is that root rot?? or the pathogens??

[Weedhound]

Zeb I honestly think it's a bit of both. ;)

Whats better to lightproof plastic/acrylic with.....tape (and what kind?) or paint (and what kind?) if the plastic is going to get dripped on/and or wet alot.

Still trying on my clones....lost a few due to being too wet/too much so trying some different timer combinations and experimenting. I HAVE to get this down because a VERY kind friend has gifted me with some "Super Silver Haze" that I can not wait to try but will have to go the clone route with because they are unsexed.

My friend sent me some Black Domina and Mendocino Madness as well. Black Domina is another one I can not wait to try. Who's familiar with the mendo madness?

[SnSstealth]

damn WH, sorry to hear that, but your right, some babies gotta go for us to learn things;)
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

Well Stealth to be fair I honestly do think the plant could have "pulled through" because it seemed the peroxide did stop the wilting in it's tracks. If this plant had been close to finishing (say within 2 weeks or something) or in veg I may have tried to nurse it for awhile but as it was it was costing us valuable time and lighting for very little return.

Edit....not to mention it could be placing our three remaining healthy flowering plants in danger of disease as well.

;)

[stinkyattic]

I'd like to make a suggestion for future grows-
You might want to shell out for the round hydroton. The reason I say this is the SHAPE of the round pebbles vs. the random shapes of the gravel mean that the gravel may actually settle over time and sort of fit itself closer together- like playing Tetris, or shaking a box of corn flakes- and the size of the interstitial spaces will decrease, giving you less root space.
Anyway sorry to hear about the loss; did you at least chop it up for clones to practice your cutting technique?

[Weedhound]

Stinkster I was going to but got afraid becase of the possible fungus aspect. I DO have a plan for my next grow....which will be Power Plant and something I just bought (it's in the mail) called Brainstorm. Brainstorm (formerly Hempstar) is supposed to one of the highest yielding feminized strains so between these two (and my new IMPROVED bucket setups which I shall unveil in the next day or two :eek:) hopefully we will be seeing some trees here. Mr Hound and I are going shopping today for supplies. :)

Ps..I did think about returning to h-ton but have veteod it. I'll do ANYTHING else first....except perhaps coco or rockwool.......:D

Edit....have two PP babies about a week old in the cloner....so far they're doing well....no roots yet.....

[Weedhound]

http://www./brainstorm-feminized.html

Here's the ad for Brainstorm.....more Haze which I have come to be a huge fan of.

[zebulon]

Is this the DP's Brainstorm???

[Weedhound]

Ummmmm......I have to say that I'm not really sure because the company I buy them from doesn't say. I don't use my seeds for breeding or anything so I am fairly sloppy about what kind I buy. I'm afraid I'm not the "seed purist" that others are. ;)

[Weedhound]

say hello to our LIL FREN'!!

So Mr Hound and I have been "brainstorming" (ouch :wtf:) for a larger setup and here's what we came up with.

This is the same tub....somewhat modified. We added a 1/2" stop valve at the bottom and we bought some acrylic for the top at home depot. We've also switched to 8"net pot bucket lids (designed for five gallon buckets) which I think will improve a lot of issues as well.

Again we put two 10' airstones at the bottom and we may add another stop valve on the back to create a completely recirculating system. As it is these (we've built two) can be hooked together, stand alone, or be hooked to a central res.

Note: We wanted our acrylic tops to be tough so we ended up going with 1/4" acrylic sheets that we had to saw down. My only comment......don't use acrylic that heavy unless you have a hacksaw or a blowtorch or something. The stuff is hard to cut through.

On both tops we cut an extra slot out and taped it so that we could check ph or add thiings as needed without disturbing the plant or having to lift it out.

And of course....the air pump that ate Milwaukee. :jointsmile:

[Weedhound]

So you might be asking why we didn't do this sooner. This answer is because I'm a bozo. I really did NOT WANT 15 gallons tubs sitting around the house (or even 6 or 8 FIVE gallon ones....) and could not figure out a way to keep things small when young and easy to switch to a larger container when the plant needs more room. It's taken me this long to get there......but....hey.....:stoned:

The other problem I have been having.....since the beginning actually.... is the damn red buckets. While drilling side holes kept them from overflowing it did not solve the actual drainage problem I had......it only exchanged that problem for another one. I'm REALLY hoping the 8" net pots will solve that problem as well as well as providing the plant with more root room when young. The 8" pots leave enough side room for the plants to utilize the side of the pot unlike with the square red buckets.

So we will start them in the w/f's in net pots and then transfer them to the larger containers when they really get going in flower. :thumbsup: Hopefully this will limit the amount of larger containers we will have to keep on hand. :)

[Weedhound]

Brainstorm arrived in the mail today (10 days after ordering) so we have popped that and a PP into RR's to germinate. :woohoo:

[MVP]

So you might be asking why we didn't do this sooner. This answer is because I'm a bozo. I really did NOT WANT 15 gallons tubs sitting around the house (or even 6 or 8 FIVE gallon ones....) and could not figure out a way to keep things small when young and easy to switch to a larger container when the plant needs more room. It's taken me this long to get there......but....hey.....:stoned:

The other problem I have been having.....since the beginning actually.... is the damn red buckets. While drilling side holes kept them from overflowing it did not solve the actual drainage problem I had......it only exchanged that problem for another one. I'm REALLY hoping the 8" net pots will solve that problem as well as well as providing the plant with more root room when young. The 8" pots leave enough side room for the plants to utilize the side of the pot unlike with the square red buckets.

So we will start them in the w/f's in net pots and then transfer them to the larger containers when they really get going in flower. :thumbsup: Hopefully this will limit the amount of larger containers we will have to keep on hand. :)

Hey that looks a lot like a DWC now... except for the drip ring thingee. If the roots suspend into the res then they will have plenty o' room (famous last words) to grow.

One comment/hint: get a couple of the flexible bubble strips for each res (aka bubble wands) from NWG and you'll be SO much more happy in the long run. I used those stones for some time now and I'm a lot happier now that I have the flexible air diffusers.

PS: I keep wondering if Mendo Madness might be a good next journal... what do you think?

[Weedhound]

Sounds good to me.....hate to say this since I seem to be the only one....but I hate those bubble wands. The flexible ones I haven't tried though.....what are they made out of?

I'd love to see what that MM does before I try it......;)

[Bree1978]

Hello there, again if you remember...I'm still kicking around, wanted to mention that everything looks green..YET again. Really beautiful and I'm Green with envy....sigh......

So have you tried the black dom? I had one, but it hermied, not a big weigher, good. I didn't have much luck, but then again I don't even consider myself a grower, despite that 800w I got flowing with the fan...now do you remember this chica???

Well anyhoo, can't say I'd every try hydro, but I so enjoy your escapades...mine have not gotten better.....I'm the hermie queen, maybe I should change my name??? lol
O, not to hijack, trying to make conv. My last grow I had 5 out of 6 being females but hermied terribly, the black dom was the first to finish but the best smoke.

Drop me a line anytime, I"m a poet and don't even know it....
Love ya! Happy Growin' and Tokin'
:jointsmile: Bree

[xcrispi]

G.M.T.A Sis . :thumbsup:
I ordered a 10 pk. of the bigger 10 inch ones yesterday , along w/ a MH conversion bulb to veg w/ my 250 hps .

Lots more places for the roots to go now besides just down , might = a less dense root mass and maybe fewer clogs . Well find out what goes on here this coming fall .
Looks good
Crispi :jointsmile:

[Weedhound]

Thanks X-C.....in thinking I've come to the conclusion that the longer veg time PLUS the 400w mh is turning out bigger plants so I had to compensate for that somehow. I just didn't want to go back to smaller plants.

[irkenelite]

very nice plants man what type of growlights do you use flouresent or HID?

[Weedhound]

Hello irk,

Thanks for stopping by and for the nice comments.

I use a 400wmh for vegging and a 1kw HPS (cool tube) for flowering. :)

[irkenelite]

wow you have a very professional set up. im growin mine under rows of flouresent lights and it seems to be doing fine but im still lookin for an affordable HPS ballast

[Weedhound]

Good lighting will reward you in high yield. It may be more expensive but when you consider the fact that you will be spending X time and X energy on your grow it's great to add significantly to the yield by doing no more than using quality lighting.
;)

[irkenelite]

thanks i will remember that (Im a noob to growing):D

[Weedhound]

So the place where I buy my seeds usually gives out five free unsexed seeds with each order. With my Brainstorm order they sent me these. What do you guys think?

Shoot...can't get the link to work. i'll keep trying.....:wtf:

[Weedhound]

nope, cant seem to get one that works. Well the seeds are supposed to be an "updated" thai stick. Wish I could work out the link. :(

[Weedhound]

I CANT believe it. One of the 20+ clones I've tried is actually starting to grow roots!! :jumphappy::woohoo::jawdropper:

It's a Dutch Dragon cutting and so far the only success I've had,
Most of my clones either wilt to death or develop mold and/or squishiness in the stem where Ive fucked with it. She's the one on the right in the front row...the one next to her is another DD. In the back there are two WW's and one power plant clone in the midde. The pp seems ok but developed mushy brownness in the lower stem which I cut off to a higher point. Will this work at all or am I screwed?

WHY are these new clones I'm putting in wiling? Is it because they are too dry or too wet? I honestly can't figure out which it is.

Opie, Stinky, MVP, or any ordinary joe out there.....any tips appreciated to improve my 1/20 ratio??

What I've been doing is taking them from the flowering plants (these are the only plants I have to practice clones with I'm afraid), dipping in anti-stress, cutting leaves to one inch, scarifying, clonex gel, clonex liquid in bubbler. These days they are wilting by the next day pretty uniformly these days. My older clones were on a 15/45 schedule and didn't wilt but alot of the practice 20 just got too wet and soggy so right now I'm on 15/75. The older plants seem to do ok with that.....but any new cuttings I place in there seem fine at first but wilt by the next morning.

PLEASE help stop the killing......:(

[MVP]

WH, I have switched back to Olivia's cloning solution -- it worked better 15 years ago than much of what I have tried lately. Congrats on the roots, but the Canna Crispie's are starting to kick in so I won't be making too much sense for a few hours. I'll re-read and post tomorrow hopefully...

[Weedhound]

Yeah, Opie was talking about some sort of powder vs gel......is there a Olivias powder?

I'll wait.......:D

[SnSstealth]

hey WH..alot could have to do with the fact the clones are coming off of flowering plants. you are trying to make them root, and revert...Ive never had a problem with clonex..usually had id say a decent % root...IMO:stoned:
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[Opie Yutts]

I would like to recommend not taking cuttings during flowering. Success is much more elusive that way. That aside, try a powdered rooting hormone. I've found that the gels completely seal off the root from moisture for about 2 days. I had the same problem when I experimented with gels, and have never had the problem with powders. You can use a gel, but it's more work and not as safe. With a gel you must be very diligent with your humidity dome. Not too wet, not too dry. For the first 2 or 3 days the only way a cutting can get moisture with a gel, is to get it through the leaves. I don't know if an anti wilt would help, or keep the leaves from transpiring completely and end up killing the cutting. Never used one. Also, IMO you are cutting off way too much foliage from your cuttings. You only need to trim the leaves down if they are big. The cutting needs leaves for food after a few days in the cloner. Notice they get yellow? If there is not enough leaves, and they all get yellow, she's a goner. I don't even cut my leaves down at all. Well, I guess I do occasionally, but only if I take a larger than normal (for me) cutting. Good luck.

[Weedhound]

Opie if my DD clone makes it I'm going to put her in soil and if she STILL makes it (:D) I'll make her a mom for some practice clones. I will cut less on the leaves as you suggest as well but I had a couple that I actually FORGOT to cut the leaves on and they wilted even faster than the cut ones.

I am dipping them in Anti-Stress which I think helps but you've got me thinking about perhaps them just plain being too wet.....Anyone tried Wilt-Pruf or anything and then leave the humidity dome off?

I'll keep trying....I really do want to try some clones from vegging mommas instead of my flowering plants. :(

Hey guys check out the link for my new grow log in my sig (Operation Redwood Tree). I'm going to be growing a Power Plant and Brainstorm in some big buckets and try and go for a new personal best yield. I also have a Master Kush and Nexus baby I'm going to include in that log but I don't expect them to be very exciting. I'm actually going to veg them for a shorter length of time (4 weeks) to (hopefully) avoid root problems down the road.

[Weedhound]

Ps.....I'll grab some cloning powder and stop using the gel too. ;)

Stealth what would you say your percentage of surviving clones is generally?

[SnSstealth]

70-80% i would say....modestly...lol
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

Well that certainly beats me at .05%.......modestly. :D

[Opie Yutts]

You guys, I don't get it. It is extremely rare that I loose a clone, either planted in dirt or in my cheapo aerocloner. Maybe your problems are gel-related. I've never understood how people have much success with cloning gels. How do you expect your cuttings to survive when you seal off the stem from moisture? And WH, more foliage = more wilt? WTF? Does that even make sense somehow?

[stinkyattic]

I'm up to 100% clone survival these days, hacking MOST of the fan leaf mass off and using dip-n-grow that has FUNGICIDE in it... you try that stuff yet?
Anti-stress dip- is it a SuperThrive type product with Thiamine in it? Can you give some basic info on your conditions?
-Dome or no dome
-Wilt-Pruf or no wilt-pruf
-Misting cuttings directly or misting the dome or not misting at all
-Room temp
-Lighting type and distance
-Water temp in bubbler
-Contents of bubbler solution
-Type and age of hormone, and how often you replace it, how you store it, and have you ever dipped right into the jar?

[Weedhound]

Yes I think it does because I am getting them too WET and the water is dragging them down....may not be wilt....might just be soggy plant you know?

Mr Hound is picking up some powder today so I'll toss the gel in the trash. ;)

Mr ONE good clone is still kicking and getting some good roots going. :thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

Stinkster.....thanks for stopping by. :)

I have ONE decent clone and I can't figure out if I'm getting things too wet or too dry. Opie is making me think I am too wet..

So far what I have done is take some flowering cuttings (I know....but I only have flowering plants right now to take practice ones on) scarifying (sp?) stem, cutting leaves to one inch (I forgot that several times..) dipping in Anti-Stress (i'll dig up the link.....my hydro guy raves about this stuff.....it smells like paint or something) clonex gel to stem, and into bubbler with RO water and clonex liquid (amount of directions on bottle) and them watching them wilt into sogginess.

I clean everything with isopropyl alcohol first....pour clonex gel on clean plate (no dipping in container) scarify with scalpel (cleaned). Let me go back and read your thread again in case you asked about info I didn't include.

[Weedhound]

I change the bubbler solution every few days....

Clonex gel is prob year old....Mr H is buying new today. Clonex liquid no more than a month old or so.

I've tried cuttings from 10 days in flowering to five weeks in flowering with strains that are supposed to "clone well" So far the only cutting I have that is doing well is a Dutch Dragon cutting....taken about 10 days ago on a five week flowering DD plant.

I'm doing both Anti-Stress and a humidity dome.....could that be way too much moisture? I didn't think about this until Opie mentioned it.

[Weedhound]

Antistress Plant Protection Membranes - Explanation and Overview (http://www.antistress.com/ASMan6.html) Here's the wilt-proof I'm using....highly recommended by my hydro guy.

PS...Opie...that's EXACTLY how I feel about you and the capsules....wtf?

[Weedhound]

Oh....and for the dome....it seems to stay pretty misted just from the bubbler action....there's ALWAYs some condensation on it. I don't spray or mist....the bubbler does it.

Stinkster.....Dip and Grow? Is that the name....Mr Hound is making a hydro shop run.....

[stinkyattic]

So some water from INSIDE the rooting chamber is getting to the dome? Splashing on the leaves too? Could be leaching nutrients off your cuttings accidentally.
The stress stuff sounds like wiltpruf equivalent. Paint smell and all. Good. Let it dry before putting the dome on. You can use both wiltpruf and a dome- I do it and it's fine.
Clonex goes bad in about 4 months in my experience, keeping it in the fridge even.
Dip-n-grow is the brand and I like that it is SUCKED INTO the cutting and will not wash off in a bubbler environment. Plus it never seems to go bad. I 'borrowed' a bottle from a friend who no longer grows. He claims to have had the bottle for several years already. I finally used up the last of it a couple weeks ago... good to the last drop, baby! :D
Oh WH you really really should try the method detailed in the Donkey Dick log.... it is SO EASY...

[Weedhound]

I never SEE anything on the leaves but now am thinking that a lot of the wilting is soggines. What EXACTLY does make the cuttings wilt? Too dry or too wet?

I read your DD cloning. One of my issues is my plants stay so damn short during veg....it seems if I cut something I get an inch of stem or something to start with. I have some RR's I can try it with but again.....only flowering plants to take cuttingss from right now.

Most of my stems go brown and mushy after a few days....fyi.....

[SnSstealth]

well stinky adressed it all i guess...lol, i dont keep clonex, i get a new bottle every time i do cuttings, maybe twice at the most. dont know opie...maybe thats why i do good with the gel?...havent tried a powder yet, clonex was always fine for me...
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

Yes, great point about the Clonex......it never occurred to me at all. I believe its close to a year and a half old.....

[stinkyattic]

I never SEE anything on the leaves but now am thinking that a lot of the wilting is soggines. What EXACTLY does make the cuttings wilt? Too dry or too wet? When a plant wilts, it is because water loss through transpiration is more rapid than water uptake through roots or even stomata.
So the simple answer is: Too dry.
But that does not address other reasons that the plant cannot uptake water. Simply saying 'too dry' only assumes the LOSS part is to blame, but the GAIN part is equally important. Blocked stomata are a double-edged sword... you can slow loss, but you also prevent gain. Rot in the stem, or crushed vascular tissue from a dull blade or scissors, also prevent water gain.


I read your DD cloning. One of my issues is my plants stay so damn short during veg....it seems if I cut something I get an inch of stem or something to start with. Cut more nodes then. You can take a dozen nodes, and strip half of them, on a plant that throws 1cm internodes!!!


Most of my stems go brown and mushy after a few days....fyi.....
Your clonex has gone bad and you have rot. You need a fungicide, and you need to STERILIZE your bubbler before using it again, or use those awesome RR plugs that are inoculated at the factory with BENEFICIAL bacteria- I believe it's B. subtilis, like in Serenade. It might be thurengensis though, I'm not certain.

I went through all this myself, tried all the methods- bubbler, EZCLone, perlite, peat pucks, rockwool, wick cloner, dipping in wiltpruf, spraying with everything imaginable, you name it- right down to the spoiled clonex, before listening to Rhizome and getting back to basics.

[Weedhound]

Rhizome who? :D

[Opie Yutts]

That's funny.

I went through it all too. You have too much moisture in your dome and you are not letting your cuttings suck up moisture when you use a gel. You should be using a dome as little as possible for several reasons. It helps them harden to not have a dome. A dome increases chance of rot and mold and squishy stems. Then if you spray an antifungal in there, you are putting in more moisture. I suggested actual neoprene clone holders that have a slit in them to hold the clone. That would stop your solution from splashing up into your dome area.

[Weedhound]

Ok.....Think I have it down.....Mr Hound got the Dip n Grow but forgot the powder so I'm going with that for now. The bubbler is being disinfected with 35% H202 as we speak. And speaking of....anyone used a touch of H202 in the bubbler along with the clonex solution?

The gel went into the trash. The one "clone-ish" thing I had went into some dirt (well...actually Fox Farm soil with extra perlite (Rock....:wtf:) under some room light and if she does ok then great. I have some RR's so I'm going to try that route. I'm also going to spray the Anti Stress just on the top of the leaves vs dipping the cutting into them to see if that helps since both Stinky and Opie mentioned the stomata and I forgot about them buggers...:D

Wish me (and them :D) luck......

[Shovelhandle]

Good Luck, Weedhound!

I'm reading carefully as I'm not so adept at taking cuttings but I plan on doing some more trials in a few weeks.

Shov

[Hennessy1414]

Good Luck, Weedhound!

I'm reading carefully as I'm not so adept at taking cuttings but I plan on doing some more trials in a few weeks.

Shov

clones are hella easy bro :rastasmoke:

[Weedhound]

Thanks Shov and Hennessey! I'll have a pic in a few...am running out of cuttings to play with but managed to get two. I'll get a photo. ;)

[Weedhound]

Dutch Dragon cutting in Fox Farm soil....(enough perlite Rock? ;))

2 White Berry cuttings (taken at 13 days into flower) placed in dip n grow, scarified, RE-DIPPED in dip n grow, leaves clipped to one inch, sprayed with anti-stress (top of leaves only) placed in rapid rooters with new holes cut in the bottom and placed in dome (misted). One q.....am I supposed to water the rapid rooters or is there anything I missed or should know?

Thanks :stoned:

[rhizome]

Ya wanna pretty much keep the RRs @ the moisture level they were in the bag.
Put one aside and watch how it dries up- kinda hard to describe. If they get too dry, they're suddenly hydrophobic, but till then they take water really nicely. Watch out for too wet- well before saturation.

All depends on conditions, around the RR as well as the plant. Heating pad will accellerate drying, high humidity around RR will delay- yer gonna have to f%^k with it.

Ya might want to try taking a bunch of cuttings of your house plants, just too practice. It's all pretty much the same, and they make great gifts.

[Weedhound]

House plants....that's funny.....with my creatures you pretty much have to beat them off anything that may have once been edible with a stick. I've just discovered that the only reason they don't touch the hydro seedlings is because......well....it's hydro.....;)

Rhiz make sure you check out my Redwood Tree log when you get a chance. Beans are in setup....pics manana. :)

Thanks for RR info....;)

[Weedhound]

Hey Stinky, thanks for the tip on wilting...cause/effect. My new clones started to wilt a bit last night and I was able to to pin it to the light being too close.....before I just would have misted them more and wondered what the problem was....thanks. :)

They look good so far this am! :thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

The mutt and jeff combo are White Berry and White Widow.....in that order....at 15 days flowering (or close to.....).

Dutch Dragon, Day 43 Flower. I had been wondering if this plant had been slowing down with the flowering but I just read on the breeders website that she's a 9-10 week finisher, a "massive" yielder (which I don't think she will be here due to "root constraints") and is 75% sativa. Considering that 10 weeks really isn't bad and with that in mind I don't think she's having any issues with slowing down (knock on wood....) ;)

She's just starting to "fill in" her buds but has some very nice frost going already.....and has had some for awhile now. :)

[Weedhound]

Well I must say that so far cloning in the rapid rooters beats the bubbler thing hands down....thanks you guys. :thumbsup:

The clones have stayed perky this time instead of wilting, less fungus worries because everything isn't so wet, no checking and adjusting the ph several times a day. So far I have two whiteberry clones and they both still look quite happy. Amazing!! :)

[SnSstealth]

awesome...glad the cloning went good...still using gel, or did you try the powder opie was talking ab out?

whisekytango

[Opie Yutts]

Well I must say that so far cloning in the rapid rooters beats the bubbler thing hands down....thanks you guys. :thumbsup:

The clones have stayed perky this time instead of wilting, less fungus worries because everything isn't so wet, no checking and adjusting the ph several times a day. So far I have two whiteberry clones and they both still look quite happy. Amazing!! :)

I don't understand how people can get this attitude. WH, I'm very happy you found a cloning technique that works for you, but I'd like to see you not give up on your bubble cloner. I've stuck clones in soil and I've stuck em in the cloner. Both are extremely easy, and both produce 99.9% success for me. The bubble cloner by far (at least for me) produces a much better root mass and overall I believe it produces a better plant. I've found that if a plant starts with a suckie root mass, it stays kinda suckie overall, and visa versa.

You don't have to check your PH several times each day. I never check mine, but I start at about 5.3, and within a few days it's at 6.2. No biggie. The plants don't seem to mind at all. I'm pretty sure the reservoir could fluctuate at least one full point without any problem. Your supposed to change the res every other day or so, but I don't. I change maybe once or twice during rooting.

You have a problem with too much moisture in your dome, but that is not a problem. You don't even need to seal off your holes completely. I have moisture from the reservoir splashing into my dome as well, and it doesn't seem to be a problem except for adding moisture. It merely seems to foliar feed the bottom of the lowest level of leaves. (I haven't yet installed the neoprene inserts I told you about.) If you have too much moisture in your dome, simply prop up one corner of it with a pencil or sex toy. It's better by far if they can if they can have some air flow anyway. Just like with the capsules, you have to experiment a little to find out what works best for your cloner, but once you do it is way worth it.

Sigh, just my 2 cents. I hate to see people devolving, and it seems like if you start with hydro and move to soil you are going backward in your weed farming operation. Hydro = bigger, better, faster, more. Oh well, each to his/her own. I believe you have an extremely green thumb, and I'm sure you'll get lots wonderful weed no matter what you do.

Good luck.

[Weedhound]

Yes I know what you mean...and I won't give up on my cloner but I want to find something consistent that I can return to instead of the 1/20 ratio I'd been having. (I'm running out of clones......:D) I definitely will expirement more once I get the rr thing down......but with summer coming and the fact that I am going to do an outdoor grow (with my unsexed seeds) I want to have a consistent way to clone that Im comfortable with so I'm ready.

Soil.....sigh......I guess I just feel so....incomplete when it comes to soil growing.....sigh. :( I'm not giving up my hydro Op.....but I have to say that yes, soil IS moving backwards in a way. But Damnit... I want to grow something in soil. Something that actually LIVES!! :D

[pdxguitar]

I just read your entire thread but skimmed a few parts so I might of missed it but what kind of lighting do you use? Could I see a pic of your flowering room? Funny that your cat ate your plant and sorry about the PP. Sounds to me like you kinda wanted it to go though. Anyhow, just curious.

PDX

[Weedhound]

Thanks pd, appreicate the kind thoughts. My grow "room" is actually just a spare corner of the extra bedroom....I'll look around for a photo and/or take one and post it for you.

I use a 1kw HPS for flowering and veg in a different room with a 400mh.

My pp...yes I do think I could have finished that plant in that larger bucket but the time lost would result in poor yield plus I have a couple others in the same area and was afraid if the one plant was sick the others could catch it as well. If you have the chance check out the "Redwood Tree" log link in my sig. I just moved the Dutch Dragon plant to one of those big buckets and will finish her in that thread. DD is supposed to be a pretty large yielder so hopefully she'll show me some good love in that larger bucket. :D (I'm also growing another pp in the Redwood Tree log. ;))

[Weedhound]

Umm....yeah......the cat.....I really HATE to admit this but one of the cats also ate my two week old Master Kush seedling this morning so Mr Hound and I spent the better part of the day cat proofing the veg area. :wtf:

[Weedhound]

Stealth I used the Dip n Grow that Stinky was on about.....:D

[Weedhound]

Here's a couple photos of my "corner" that I grow in. i've made a couple changes since these were taken including painting all the mylar flat white and adding an extra set of black curtains to help prevent light leaking during the 12/12 dark period. Other than those two things everything else is pretty much the same. :)

PS...I'll grab a photo of the "cat proofed area" a little later today...:stoned:

[stinkyattic]

RapidRooters aren't a soil method- technically they are soilless, and were developed to be used in ANY system. You can still be a hydro purist using them, lol! Devolve, harrumph~ :D

WH what is that, your living room? Damn it's so freakin' clean, and the wood floors look better than most peoples'... haha nice spot! Now ya just need a WHITE shower curtain liner inside that dark one to reflect more light!

In your last bunch of pics- #2- do you have mites by any chance? Can you get closeups of those splotchy leaves? Something funky is going on.

[SnSstealth]

ouch guys...:( dont kill us dirty guys.....lol
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

Ha ha....it's DEFINITELY cleaner than my living room....lol.

That's an old photo Stinky of one my blueberrys. Funny you should mention funky.....that's one of the first plants I grew in hydroton.....so yeah, dots and k defs....she's long gone and toked up.

Damn Girl....good eye!

Ps....The wood floors look good (thank you :)) because they are actually made of Pergo (i kept thinking perlite, lol). I love laminate flooring so much I may do my horse stalls in it next! :D

[Weedhound]

We're keeping an eye on you Stealth.....:wtf:

[stinkyattic]

ouch guys...:( dont kill us dirty guys.....lol

We're keeping an eye on you Stealth.....:wtf:Oh shit, I'm outta here. I'll be partying in the loo with my ballast if ya need me.

[SnSstealth]

lol..i may try dro...one day, but not as the main grow...organic all the way!!!!...heh
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

My clones have been doing great since I put them in the little RR's but the last day or two one is starting to wilt even though all conditions are the same EXCEPT....the temp has dropped down to 66F in our house due to some recent weather changes (it's normally 70). Could this have caused it? The rr is damp......like it would be in the bag....is this wet enough? Should I spray some more Anti-Stress on it or ? Been misting dome regularly and the munchkin was doing great up until yesterday. The other one (a little smaller) looks fine.

Any thoughts, suggestions, stunning epiphanies??? (I could REALLY use a stunning epiphany if you have one to spare....:D)

[Shovelhandle]

no epiphany here, but I may have an old harmonica under the bed... :hippy:

Shv

[SnSstealth]

i would say DEFINITELY the temp...IMO, i may be wrong...lol, lets see what the ganja godess says....lol
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

Have you found cooler temps to wilt your clones Stealth? Should I put them on a heating pad do you think?

[SnSstealth]

i keep mine around 78...use a heat pad too.........
WT

[Rock.Steady]

Oh shit, I'm outta here. I'll be partying in the loo with my ballast if ya need me.

now THAT sounds like a party:wtf:

[Weedhound]

Hey Rock I called my hydro several times today but nobody answered the phone.....not sure what went on there.

No new info....sorry....they're closed on Sun. :(

[Rock.Steady]

hey Hound, no worries.

i think i might like these plugs.
look at the Maria clones.
cuts taken 14 days ago.
scarified, then powder root hormone (schultz)
gave em about 5-7 days in a sealed plastic container.
then had just sitting ontop the soil in the ASH pot.
i just made sure they were 'only' moist.
i even let em get a lil dry b4 i wet em again.
i used ur ph'd water advice for the hydro's on these cuts.

24/7, 26/100w daylite cfls about 6 inches away, until today.
now into the veg cab.
beyond the root development you can see here,, i can also see a couple lil roots are already weaving into and thru the stuff.

now listen....
important reason i am showing u these and explaining all that.

your wilting concerns...
see how these are kinda wilty and losin color?
these 2 cuts of Maria were vibrant and green til just yesterday/today.
i remember a similar thing happened when i cloned Betty.

if i had to hypothesize, i would say its part of the energy transfer. now that they have some root to work with, theyll start eating the nutes stored in the leaf. the new roots will be able to bring in nutes, and new leaf should sprout. i think these are growing leaf, how do yours look? is there any new center sprout growth?
i think its just a refocus of the plants energies and development.
i may give them a lil spray with water, but will just continue as normal.

also, you took most of yours in flower if i recall.
ok, i can show u the disasterous visual condition of the Galina clone. it was taken in week 6, and has struggled constantly and really doesnt look great. im even considering tossing it, but not yet.
remember, all these guys keep sayin cloning in flower i possible but difficult. i have to agree completely. i think i timed the Maria cuts just right. as soon as she showed sex, snip 2 low and out. For beans of unknown sex, this may be the best tactic for me. now i can grow 1 into a mom. the other i am going to let grow normal so i can see a comparison in growth between the mom and a direct clone. i'm pretty happy to have these results in just 2 weeks, with what i experienced this past year.




un-related-
i'll prolly put these in soil too.
im considering experimenting with smaller pots, maybe 2 gal instead of 3. my root systems have not yet been overwehelmingly crowded, and maybe i can get away with smaller pots, which would help my space issues.

i got a lil wordy, didnt try to hyjak, been token Galina samples, pretty impressive.mostly cloudy, waitin for ambers b4 i chop:jointsmile:

i think most of these ramblings are related to your clone questions;)

[Weedhound]

Actually Rock I'm really glad you brought this up because it identifies something that I consider rather important and X-Crispi has mentioned to me that he has run into the same problem trying to clone as well. The issue is this: Why would I clone something that takes 2-3 weeks to even get going.....then nurse an obviously stressed out and sickly plant back to health when I can plant a seed and have a nice plant in 2 weeks without all the bs? It just doesn't make any sense to do unless you get some positives out of it and a sickly,wilted, yellowing stick just doesn't make it as something I'm going to invest a lot of time and energy to end up with. It's simply not how I want to grow.

I don't see Stinky's or MVP's clones looking completely like shit by the time they are rooted so there must be a reason for that. I just can't find out what it is. Otherwise.....unless its your ONLY chance to keep something like a strain going or want a whole bunch of little plants exactly the same (to sell or grow or WHATEVER) I just don't see it being worthwhile to end up a month later with a three leafed yellow stem. There HAS to be better way. :wtf:

[Rock.Steady]

ok, i think a big part of your current frustration is linked to your flowering moms.

first your question.
why bother with trouble.
for me-
the reason i 1st took it was
#1 i knew it would be female.
#2 panic because i had so many males. you remember.
and my last reason for letting it stay (for now) , well, weird as it may sound, i feel i 'owe' the plant a chance, with all i put it thru. in week 6 of flower, which is known as difficult. so, if it can pull out without special attrention, ill let it run.
i have been thinkin not, lately, cause im outta room, and i feel 1 of the new russian clones would be a better use of resource.
i didnt realize, i would suddenly be in the situation i am in.

its a karmic quandry.

but, thats the way i feel about it.

so back to you.

u really need to take clones from a veggin mom before u can judge the whole process.

[Rock.Steady]

oh yeah.

and i took these Maria cuts as a side experiment.
which ironically is working quite well.

in 2 weeks, i have healthy fem cuts rooted.
i could go soil or hydro at this point.

i plan on 1 as a mom.

next evaluation will be in growth rates.

[Weedhound]

Right I understand (I think ) why YOU cloned....and why I am practicing on less than perfect moms but quite seriously most of my clones don't even live a week (took some new ones today.....already wilting) so they wouldn't make it anyway whether taken during veg or not. Unless I can pinpoint the problem and get past them it's getting pretty pointless doing "the same thing over and over and expecting a different result." Unless someone can tell me WHY I'm losing these clones it certainly seems.....well....less than an intelligent thing to be doing to keep snipping off branches and killing them off in a cloner.. I've tried more wet, less wet, etc etc etc and haven't had one make it yet. I really don't have anything else to try and I'm all out of thoughts, ideas, and options. Quite frankly once they START to wilt I pretty much can tell that's the end of it because its very consistent. I can't get them to live but i can get them to croak on a regular, 100% basis. That's all I seem capable of doing....every single time.

[Weedhound]

oh and ps....I've been taking clones from 2-3 days into the 12/12 cycle as well as later flowering so really cannot lay the excuse on "the cycle." That's also pretty frustrating to me. I've tried MANY different things, rrs, cloner, dip n grow, gel, different ages, different strains, blah blah blah. All different.

There are only two constants. They all wilt....then die. And me.

[Rock.Steady]

well, then i dunno.

im using these plugs, powder and regular water.

i didnt bubble mine
.
maybe your just way too high on humidity and water-loggin em?

[Weedhound]

Sorry I'm all crabby Rock.....i'm just bummed. Lost my power plant, my Master Kush AND my Nexus AND 20-25 of the their kids.

I'm just feeling like a murderer these days.....:(

[MVP]

How many times did Edison fail before he invented the light bulb? Hmmm... ;)

[Weedhound]

Yeah well HES DEAD so just how crabby do you think HE is!!!! Lol.....:D

thanks MVP. :)

[MVP]

I have experienced some clones that wilt and completely yellow but survive and do fine all within 3 weeks of cut date. If I can come up with any new advice for you I'll let you know.

[Weedhound]

I BELIEVE I have pinpointed the issue (for now..) Thanks for the heating tip Stealth. You know these damn things are VERY hard to read. I'm used to seeing a problem on a plant and by seeing it and studying conditions figuring out the underlying issue. These little bastards don't do that.

Too wet....wilt
too dry......wilt
too cold....wilt
too hot..... well, you get the picture..:wtf:

I'm starting to see why this is all so much trial and error.....

[Weedhound]

How much light should these buggers be on right now? I can do anything from 26wcfl to 6 26w cfls.......how much light is too much?

I just discovered that they AREN'T wilting.....(this time :wtf:) they're leaning towards the light. i thought it was wilting....so I kept moving them futher, then they leaned more.....

It's like unlocking a safe combo....jeez....

[SnSstealth]

glad i could be of assistance WH;).....well doesnt this just suck.....this is what i get for not asking you guys...i took 6 clones, 10 days into flower....they wilted and looked like they were yellowing, so i tossed em....so they might have made it?
:smokebong:
whisekytango

[Weedhound]

What happened to 70%? Yeah, I'm finding this a tough deal.....I feel like I'm jumping through this and that hoop and two guideposts....WRONG, and SORT OF WRONG. :D

[Weedhound]

My cutting looks like it might have a bit of new growth but I'm thinking I'm just stoned......

[SnSstealth]

LOL!!! well after seeing your attempts, i had to try taking clones in flowering...i had never done that...and since i had to trim a few lower branches in the garden....why not?...i may try again...just to see if i can get a flowering clone to set...got extra room in the room with the boys gone....heh
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

So I watered the RR's and went to one 26w cfl light about 8 inches away from the clones, placed a heating mat on low and kept COPIOUS amounts of water/mist available for them and they have all bounced back so far!! :eek: :thumbsup: I must say this is the first time I've gotten any honest positive feedback from them. Is this anything like actually HAVING a baby in real life because I sure feel like I just went through Mr Toad's wild ride! I'll grab some pics later today as well. :jointsmile:

PS....so far so good Stealth.

[SnSstealth]

YAY!!!!!!!!!!:thumbsup::jointsmile::D

[Weedhound]

Oh Yeah?? Well yay back at you!! :D Glad to hear your plant is better and thanks for your clone tips. :thumbsup:

[SnSstealth]

lol....no problem :jointsmile:
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

This is one of my FIRST clones.....remember the only one that actually develped any roots? I cut this clone on 2/28 and I put her in some soil about a week ago and I think she is growing!! :thumbsup:

Opinions? Am I just stoned? Perhaps both? :D :stoned:

[Weedhound]

Dutch Dragon cutting taken 2/28/08.

[Weedhound]

And the only other survivors...... They seem to be doing very well at this point. (Let us pray.....:wtf:)

The one in the left front corner is a WhiteBerry cutting taken 10 days ago...I think I MAY be seeing some root nubs starting but cannot be sure. The other three are White Widow....cut approx 4 days ago.

[foxysox]

Once you see roots poking out and a noticeable paling of the older growth, you can give your clones a VERY weak foliar feed with a complete fert. I actually like to use the GH micro, since it has N [1] as well. Be certain to harden them off slowly. I'd separate clones of different ages in their own domes because while the rooted one needs a gradual decrease in protectin from dryness and drafts, the younger ones need steady humidity and no pestering. 24/0 light, don't open the dome unless ya have to, only mist when you see actual wilt, keep away from drafts and avoid temp swings.

[Weedhound]

Hmm.....don't have any foliar stuff to feed with....should I water with a very light fert? I can get to the hydro store tomorrow if you think I should NOT be putting any nutes in her water.

Don't mess with different ages of cuttings together......this is something I have been doing the entire time and I wonder how much havoc it has been playing with my failure numbers. I got into the habit of it because none of the cuttings lived very long.....so when one went down I just added another. NOW they are looking as though they may actually MAKE it :eek: so I'll stop mixing them.

Thanks for the advice. :) Can use all the help I can get.

[foxysox]

You don't need special 'foliar stuff'; use the micro or veg base from your regular nutes but mixed real weak.

Mixing cuttings is a good way to spread rot from aging cuttings, which can and often DO get a bit of mold late in their rooting time that does not kill them because by then they are a little plant with a functioning immune system.

You MUST sterilize your dome between cycles of cuttings.

Use foaming antibacterial/antifungal bathroom cleaner. Scrubbing Bubbles or the dollar store alternative is the one to get. Spray on a good layer of foam. Allow to sit 10 minutes. Rinse off not too well under the sink sprayer. Don't forget to do the dome too. Using foaming cleanser, you don't have to really get all the bits of dirt off or scrub the trays. It pretty much sterilizes everything, including remnants of dirt.

[Weedhound]

Gotcha.....I'll draw the line with these and sterilize before starting any new ones....then do groups of same age together. I'm HOPING this dragon cutting will be a future mom....if she makes it.

Is the foliar a one time thing to do for the plant and then start your nute program? I'm EXTREMELY unfamiliar with foliar spraying except for my Reverse, etc....never foliar sprayed nutes before. :confused:

[foxysox]

I do it a few times as I'm hardening off the cuttings, at the point where they first go into an actual pot of soil. I water with only plain tap water at this time, but give a light, weak, fert mist a couple times during the hardening-off period. You don't HAVE to do this by any means, it's just a nice little boost that I have found helpful in my own cloning environment, which is now in the side light from a big halide, and as soon as they are rooted, my clones have been TAKING OFF and looking hungry early.
I would say start a reglar nute program when you see that teh clones have about doubled in size from when you cut them. That's nice thing about clipping the leaves- when you see 3 sets of leaves that have no evidence of being clipped, you're good to go- feed, flower, whatever.

[Weedhound]

Thanks Sox. :thumbsup:

[SnSstealth]

at an improbability factor of 5739285 to 1 against....of course she will make it!!!


edit: shit im stoned LOL...that was a lil hitchhikers joke, me and stinky were talkin about it yesterday...sorry....lookin good WH!!!

[stinkyattic]

All she really wants is a decent cup of tea, though...

[SnSstealth]

did i just hear 100,000 people say whomp?

[veggii]

i've got a nice turkish tea,,, it will ease any pain!!

[Weedhound]

by all the negative ratings....not because I got them (although why would you rate someone's LOG negatively.....kind of like spitting on their diary of thoughts and creations imo) but that so many of the negative ratings came from people who I thought were e-friends. That's shaken me for a few days now but I've come to realize that the only REAL thing that has changed is the way I perceive these people.....they themselves are still the same. And what I REALLY don't get.....having made yourselves clear that you don't like my posting.....why in the world do you folks keep on reading it??

I realize that people like MVP and Crispi who were really up posters are gone and there ARE a few who are interested so I'll keep posting for those who care but it definitely DOES take desire out of putting in the effort to post.

I AM done with this rant but its been bugging me for awhile so I'm glad I got the thoughts out.

[SnSstealth]

fuck em!!!! we are here for the long haul WH;)
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[Shovelhandle]

Gee Weedhound, I think your threads have very good ratings, as they deserve.
I understand that some troubled people on this site have been using the ratings systems as a way to piss people off, but some of us who do decided to rate threads almost always make positive ones. Also, the occasional "down" rating can reflect the direction a thread has taken (sometimes off subject) and hasn't to do with the grow log or the person who's started the thread.
I wouldn't get too upset about the ratings anyway. And looking at the ratings compared to the number of "views" It seems that most members don't bother to use the system at all.

Shovl :hippy:

[Weedhound]

Well Shov you're right in that the first mistake is taking it too seriously which is why I only mentioned after it was still bothering me a few days later. And I can see why you'd take a normal thread (I think George Bush is the greatest president ever" is a thread that would be a good example.....have ratings all over the place and I'd be the first on the ratings button there as well) there but a grow log......that's just kind of your own hang out place. Maybe I'M mistaken about that but I kind of see it like ....."hey....i read your diary.....and gave you a C"

Anyway.....you are right that I am letting things get to me.....as I mentioned nothing but my perception of things has changed so that's my own issue. And you're right that most people don't use the system.......sorry.....some days I just a get bit down.

[Weedhound]

Here's my clones.....they're doing GREAT! I had a whiteberry one that I "dissected" for "research purposes" and found that it was indeed starting with some roots. I didn't keep it because I really don't want another WB plant around.

These three are my white widows and are about 10 days old now. They look pretty good don't they? If I can get a few of these to root I'd rather use one of these for a "mother."

I DO have my Dutch Dragon cutting and it IS definitely growing but the DD has been kind of a hard plant to deal with......even with my "oh well" attitude about it and while the buzz is nothing to be ashamed of according to the subjective bioassays so far I'm trying to find strains a little more "up" (Haze..:thumbsup:) than the DD is despite her 75% sativa heritage. She's more of a relaxing sativa than an energetic one

[Weedhound]

This is a pretty plant that I wouldn't mind just having around to look at but according to the breeder she is 75/indica and 25/sativa so I doubt she's going to be an "up" high (the ad says "relaxing" at light doses........hmmmm) She looks pretty indica doesn't she? Hopefully she'll make some good sleeping meds for Mr Hound.

[Weedhound]

Ok this plant is starting to impress AND surprise me at the same time. We looked at her root system and it was pretty full in the smaller bucket so we moved her to my second super-sized one and she has since grown about a FOOT and shows NO sigsn of slowing down. She's also on a pretty light dose of nutes......despite my chatter I discover she's only using a solution of about 900 and when I tried to take it up to a thousand she curled some edges down so I dropped it back.

THIS is the kind of plant I really enjoy flowering......see how nicely she stretches herself out to make the most of the lighting.....WITHOUT a lot of work from me!! Nice spacing for flowering......just the way I like it

I honestly can not WAIT to bioassay this plant!!! ;)

[SnSstealth]

lookin GREAT WH!!!:jointsmile:
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

Ahhh you're just a pair of sweeties Stealth.....but thanks. :) That WW is getting kind of crazy isn't she?

I cropped that DD and I'll post some pics on the other thread but I'm going to keep the WW on THIS thread even though she's in a huge bucket now and as soon as I finish with the DD I'm going to put the Whiteberry in a huge bucket as well. :thumbsup:

[Shovelhandle]

Weedhound, how large are the buckets you're using, I remember you said something about 15 gallons? (WOW). You must have a lot of room up there for all that.

Lookin fine, as usual.

Sho

[Weedhound]

Hey Shov,

I went back and measured these buckets carefully. Completely full they come close to 10 gallons which is a LOT less than I thought. They look pretty damn large next to the 5 gallon pails so I thought they were larger.....my bad. They used to hold horse feed supplements.

SO half full they hold five gallons....which REALLY surprised me until I realized that a FIVE gallon bucket will really only be holding 2 and 1/2 gallons in a hydro setup and my little tan w/f's are only about 1 and 1/2 gallons they way there are used.

We're going to build a few more of them but we have to wait on the horses to eat the stuff first....

[rhizome]

(the ad says "relaxing" at light doses........hmmmm)

Yep- and the ad said that Enzyte was gonna make me Casanova.

See what ya get. Let her go long.

[Weedhound]

So Cas......you're saying there's still hope? :D. Always enjoy seeing you on my thread Rhizome.........have you tried the white widow and if so what did you think?

[rhizome]

'Bout a bazillion of em.

Nice plant, but a little picky- watch for mildew near the end. Loves her some silica. Not terribly aggressive in veg/stretch.

Great stock for bubble. Nice buzz all round. Beware of bong rips- you'll see why.

I had the best results running em SOG 1 per sq' flowered @ 8" (6-10 days veg).

Liked her best cut a few days early- little sleepy if it goes too late.

You're already seeing how light she feeds. Run the room a little cool if ya can- liked 70-72F, RH< 60%.

Consistant but not quick rooter- intolerant of high (82F+) temps while rooting.

Easy trim- you'll be leaving a lot of bud leaf on.

[SnSstealth]

I've ran 2 different WWs.......and damn, i couldn't have said it better than rhizome WH...lol i took a cut at 55 and the rest at 63....later was definitely a heavy smoke!!
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

Cool, thanks you guys. She's really exploded with growth in that large tub. I will indeed start subjectively bioassaying her early. :thumbsup:

She IS a light feeder for sure.

[rhizome]

Well, best not to start before lunch. :jointsmile:

[SnSstealth]

lol!!!...unless you have NOTHING to do that day...then wake and bake bio!!!!
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[Rock.Steady]

I've ran 2 different WWs.......and damn, i couldn't have said it better than rhizome WH...lol i took a cut at 55 and the rest at 63....later was definitely a heavy smoke!!
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

def sounds like the kinda smoke mr hound will dig, from what u've said. insomnia right?
let it go a lil long and it sounds like his sleepytime is lined up, racked and stacked, for a lil while at least:thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

Mr Hound is RAVING over that church plant.......knocks his ass RIGHT out. I'm hoping the whiteberry will be the "sleepytime" plant here and the WW more "cerebral" as my "cerebrals" need ALL the help they can get. :D

Rock signal me when you have bugs worked out and are ready to start with some real nutes. ;)

[jangel]

;)
Well Shov you're right in that the first mistake is taking it too seriously which is why I only mentioned after it was still bothering me a few days later. And I can see why you'd take a normal thread (I think George Bush is the greatest president ever" is a thread that would be a good example.....have ratings all over the place and I'd be the first on the ratings button there as well) there but a grow log......that's just kind of your own hang out place. Maybe I'M mistaken about that but I kind of see it like ....."hey....i read your diary.....and gave you a C"

Anyway.....you are right that I am letting things get to me.....as I mentioned nothing but my perception of things has changed so that's my own issue. And you're right that most people don't use the system.......sorry.....some days I just a get bit down.

Hey weedhound. I would not let this rating thing bother you. I have this set to daily notifications as I am interested in what is happening in your grow, and relate as I am new here, so most likely will have MORE issues than you do. I really find this day to day log interesting. Just because there is nothing I know enough to add, doesn't mean I don't care,and I am sure many others are the same.

KEEP UP ALL YOUR FINE WORK! PEOPLE ARE APPRECIATING IT!

Life,
j-angel :thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

Well that is one of the nicest things I've heard in awhile.......thanks Jangel....you just made my whole day! :)

[Shovelhandle]

I agree with jangel. Don't worry, many people are enjoying your posts.

Shov

[Opie Yutts]

People? Fuck em.

You can't please everyone, so you got to please yourself. If you can do that you're far ahead of most of us. I gave you a thumbs up, but that's about as important as rep. IMO. It pretty much means nothing. I'll continue to enjoy your threads no matter what the rating.

[Weedhound]

Thanks Op.......and even when feeling all pity-pot about myself I love talking and shooting shit with you guys so I'll be here as long as other cool people are too. :thumbsup:

[MVP]

I realize that people like MVP and Crispi who were really up posters are gone and there ARE a few who are interested so I'll keep posting for those who care but it definitely DOES take desire out of putting in the effort to post.

Not gone Amiga, just working 11-12 hours/day and not much time to post. I am reading your stuff as much as possible given limited time. Keep posting and I'll keep reading. And screw those that neg your thread, they suck anyways.

P.S. Nice to see cloning is coming along for you. I just topped my GDP and have 2 really nice clones that may become Moms here soon...

MVP :jointsmile:

[rhizome]

Weedy-

I always tell my daughter

" The best thing about being me is that I honestly don't give a f%ck about what strangers think of me".

Seriously, f*ck 'em- they're never gonna get it, and they're never gonna understand why they aren't happy.

Just take the high road...( and every now and then, lean over and spit on their heads).

[jangel]

:D
Weedy-

I always tell my daughter

" The best thing about being me is that I honestly don't give a f%ck about what strangers think of me".

Seriously, f*ck 'em- they're never gonna get it, and they're never gonna understand why they aren't happy.

Just take the high road...( and every now and then, lean over and spit on their heads).:D


Hey Rhizome. I have to remember that to tell my daughter. She is at that age (!5) were sometimes she wants to punch people, sometimes kiss them, lots of drama, and I keep telling her to be better than the bottom dwellers and rise above. I love that line! Just might plagerize it! LOL!!!!

Thanks.
Life,
j-angel

[SnSstealth]

you KNOW we love you WH:computerlove1:

:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

Yeah.....this crowd is the BOMB...but still an old lady likes to hear stuff. Thanks everyone..........you guys ROCK!! :thumbsup:

[stinkyattic]

Rock on, Weedyhound.
Your plants are great, and your logs are fun and informative.

[Weedhound]

I still look at that old thread sometimes where you answered my very first question about growing......:) :thumbsup:

[stinkyattic]

What thread is that?

[Weedhound]

This one....http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-growing/71916-light-control.html

Stinkster was right on it with the answers from the very beginning for me. :) :thumbsup:

[SnSstealth]

well the two of you have given us more help than anyone...gladly too!! didnt even make me feel like i was irritating by asking..thanks to both of ya stinks and WH:computerlove1:

:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[stinkyattic]

OMG I remember that thread with the glowing condoms!!! Banter right from the start! Haha what a riot.

[SnSstealth]

glowing condoms eh?....leaving that alone......lol
WT

[Weedhound]

I've gone back to my old complicated, EXTREMELY intricate way of doing things which is thumbtack the branches to the wall.....the lazy's person's lst, lol.

I'm keeping a VERY careful eye on this girl and won't hesitate to crack open that red bucket if she starts looking off in any way. So far no problems and she's getting pretty huge.

[Opie Yutts]

Glow in the dark condoms - For the strobe light effect.

[SnSstealth]

Im on day 30 bloom....that looks like an awesome sample of WW...good genes...Im sure the grower has alot to do with it too:jointsmile:
WT

[Weedhound]

I just moved her into a "super-bucket" yesterday and she's seems to like it so far.

[Shovelhandle]

Yowza! That's a beauty.

How is it a big deal for a 15 gallon pot in hydroponics? Will it fill up with roots?

Shov

[stinkyattic]

Liking the super buckets. Who'da thunk that DWC plants like to be transplanted too? lol!

[SnSstealth]

transplanting DWC is a great idea WH!...is the redwood you WW? or is it DD?
:smokebong:
whisekytango

[Weedhound]

Thanks Stinkster.....hey.....you mentioned Toxic Lemon. I think I saw an ad for that somewhere. What's the buzz like.....you seemed to be quite fond of that one.

Hey Shov,

It's just kind of unusual to keep a plant in that large a bucket...5 gallon buckets are considered pretty big homes in hydro. ;) I've had problems with plants in smaller buckets getting rootbound and root diseases etc so am testing out "larger space" to see if it will help those issues. :)

[MVP]

My experience is that the right strain loves the 10-gallon tubs since the 5-gallon buckets get too jam packed with roots...

[Weedhound]

Mr Hound and I noticed last night that the very tops of the WW were starting to droop juuust a touch so we made a new nute solution with way less CalMag and put the plant in that overnite. This morning the problem was worse and looking VERY suspiciously like the same root issue we came up against with the PP.

[Weedhound]

So same deal.......reduced ppms and nitrogen level and she still looked worse this am so we broke open the bucket and flushed everything with H202/ph'd water...8 gallons worth. Then I sat and broke up the rootball as gently as I could. At one point I thought I felt an airline tangled up in everything but it turned out to be just one big root. I could feel one section in particular that was REALLY bottlenecked and managed to get that untwisted and flushed at least. We put her back in low nutes AND fresh H202 in her res and keep our fingers crossed.

[Weedhound]

ROOOOOOOTSSSS!!!!!

TWO out of THREE SO FAR and the third is still up for consideration.:thumbsup::thumbsup:

:woohoo: :woohoo:

[zebulon]

This is very strange...the WW seems to stretch just like the PP did, before it...you know...
i hope this one will survive...gonna keep my fingers crossed...
Nice work whit those clones....this is a big success....:thumbsup:

[MVP]

ROOOOOOOTSSSS!!!!!

TWO out of THREE SO FAR and the third is still up for consideration.:thumbsup::thumbsup:

:woohoo: :woohoo:

Nice job there Hound, how many days have these girls been cut and enjoying your TLC? Looking good.....

[Rock.Steady]

ROOOOOOOTSSSS!!!!!

TWO out of THREE SO FAR and the third is still up for consideration.:thumbsup::thumbsup:

:woohoo: :woohoo:

and a big thumbs up to ya!:greenthumb:

[SnSstealth]

good work with the clones WH!

:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

Thanks guys I was THRILLED!! I've transplanted the first one into soil....we shall see.

Zeb there was one main section that was REALLY tangled and corkscrewed together that I felt was the "ROOT" of the problem....(thank you, thank you....:D) and managed to untwist that pretty much and alot of the smaller stuff too. We'll just have to wait and see in the morning how much good I did to the roots vs how much damage I caused.......:cool:

[Weedhound]

MVP....hate to tell you but I'm honestly not sure but I think about 3 weeks.....I had so many going thru the rotating clone death march that I honestly stopped keeping count and noting days etc.....

[Rock.Steady]

hey WH, what about sticking a bubble line right into the center of the root mass, to keep pumpin O2 deep into the middle of it all.
gotta help, no?

[Weedhound]

I think I got it mostly untangled Rock but that was something I considered carefully. I have two 10 inch airstones directly under the mass and I loosened things up a pretty fair amount I felt.......I could literally feel air bubbles coming up through the root mass after untangling for awhile and while I did lose some smaller roots I really don't feel I lost anything major rootwise and really think I got everything loosened up, flushed through with some H202 water and improved circulation to everything by about 50-60%. I spent quite a while at it.

Tip: Untangling the roots was much easier and less damaging overall when done while the roots were underwater and floating around......and the airstones helped as well. ;)

[Rock.Steady]

good to hear, it sounds like a positive recovery.
i guess as long as its loose and everythings moving u should b cool. i doubt losin a few lil roots will hurt much, especially considering the recent quantity of them.
good goin:thumbsup:

[zebulon]

So, you have broken up the red bucket, took the WW out, and put her in the netpot??

[Weedhound]

Hey Zeb,

You must work out alot in the sunshine from looking at your photo there. :D

We cracked the bucket open but didn't take the plant out of it because it's the only thing holding all the medium together. I'll get a pic of the roots later today but here's a few photos of how she looks today. Some branches came back nicely but a few in the back stayed the same........BUT got NO WORSE so I think we've stopped the progression.......for now anyway.

[SnSstealth]

sounds good WH....strange to have the same problem again with a different strain...but you got it handled:thumbsup:

:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

Well the continuing thread here Stealth is those damn red buckets and these two plants are the last time we'll be using them so hopefully we won't be having the problem at all in the future.

Here's a photo of the roots now.....thinned, stretched out somewhat and rinsed off gently with H202 and RO water.

Can only HOPE I've got it handled...:wtf:

[SnSstealth]

lemme see if its safe to post here and not get attacked...lol, i think you should definitely change the buckets. first time using them? we have 3 types of pots, and one type drains out REALLY slow, we had to put more holes in the bottom from lack of o2..but alas, its a dro issue so i may not be right...lol hope they do pull through...i am still amazed at how you get so full plants with so many tops? I'll put a pic up on my thread tomorrow of the one i tried to grow like yours...lol, even called her WH!!...heh

:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[GreenLeaf420]

Wow!!!

Hey WH are you going to cut back the roots @ all?

[Weedhound]

Hi GL, thanks for stopping by the thread. This plant has about 3 and 1/2 weeks until finish so I'm going to try to limp her through without cutting anything. Peroxide will be a constant part of her regimen until the end although I usually use Cannazym and it does a pretty good job of "keeping the root population down". This plant and one other (a whiteberry) are the last two plant's I'll be flowering in these HORRID red buckets thank god. I've switched to 8 inch net pots for future grows. ;)

[GreenLeaf420]

Hey WH looking good Bud:thumbsup:. What do you think you will yield off that one monster will be. She looks like she has about 8 tops FIM:D:thumbsup:...:thumbsup: Can't wait to see the harvest. What exactly will you use the peroxcide to do?

I found this site If you get a chance check them out I just orderd 10 net pots $3.80 each
Hydroponics & Gardening from Kalyx.com Herbs, Foods, Supplements, Bath & Aromatherapy (http://www.kalyx.com/store/prodpage2.cfm/CategoryID/12000/file.htm)

Well good luck with the grow keep up the good work looks great.

[GreenLeaf420]

Well guys send me a bunch of money and I'll let you know down the road if I decide to run. :D


Excellent Thread :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: Were do we send to... LOL:jointsmile::jointsmile:

[Shovelhandle]

Thats wild. The big root structure hangin right there like that...Whoo Woo! I've never seen anything like that before.

Real Cool, Sister! :hippy:

Shov

[Rock.Steady]

amazing root mass there.
i just dont know how u do it:wtf:

wow,,,just,,,wow:greenthumb:

[Weedhound]

Looking pretty good. Thoughts folks?

Shov.....that is kind of freaky huh? I've drilled holes in those rootballs and subjected them to all kinds of torture and mutilation and they still seem happy.....go figure.

Thanks Rock...we'll see in the end if I did good or bad I suppose......:wtf:

PS...All three clones have developed great root systems. I've transplanted one into soil and am going to put the other two back into hydro and flower them.

GL.....cash and carry..:D

[SnSstealth]

WW,,,definitely seems to be bouncing back....good job WH:thumbsup:

:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[GreenLeaf420]

Looking really good WH:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Quick question though what do you use the peroxide for?

[ButchieYost2001]

Cant get enough of your posts and grows, you have given me a lot of insight in what needs to be done....I have read all of your stuff and have decided to give a DWC a try.

I took a 4 week old soil girl and gave her a really good bath, rinsed off almost 95% of the soil and put her in a basket with hydroton and placed in a 5 gal bucket with 2 air stones and a heater(if necessary). Here are my first pics of this lovely lady. She has been in veg in dwc for about 10 days and shows no signs of stress or rejection! Planning on taking a shit ton of cuttings from her for my next grow....

what'cha think?!?!?!

All of these materials were laying around the house (sans hydroton) and was quite easy to put together. following fox farms nute schedule and have yet to do a res change, any advice on that?

[Weedhound]

I like rez changes especially in a smaller pot........can't do them enough imo.......

Get a good zyme product for her......think about possibly a larger container for her roots.......I've had some pretty good issues with rootbound plants taking a dive (you might check out Treetops Nor Cal Thread to see how fast they can go down from root issues.)

There's an old saying......no foot; no horse.....make sense? Of course not......but if I were to put it in cannabis terms.....no root; no plant.....makes sense now doesn't it? Be nice to you roots....change their rez and give them lots of room.

And.....I think it's time for her VERY OWN thread..... I promise to visit her there. ;)

Good luck. :)

[Weedhound]

I think you asked that before GL and I forgot to answer it....H202 is used to add extra O2 to the roots and to kill of bacteria, germs, pathogens etc in your rez water. There are several schools of thought about it....such as that it kills off beneficial bacteria that's good for your plants as well as any bad ones and there are several zyme products (including Cannazym which is the one I use) that can NOT be used in conjunction with H202 because it kills off all the good little enzymes etc in those products as well. But for certain purposes (such as in my case where "root rot" was strongly suspected) it's very safe and beneficial when used in the correct dosages.

[hatch]

Look's like your Root's are Great, Keep that high oxygen input & I hope you don't get what you had last time. Good Luck!!!!:pimp::pimp::pimp::pimp:

[Weedhound]

We've transplanted all three clones.......one into Foxfarms Oceans Forest and perlite and two into hydro.

[SnSstealth]

sweet!...woo-hoo!!! go dirty!!!!!!...lol
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[Rock.Steady]

Heh111, go here (http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/)and click "new thread" button, upper left

WeedHound,
Congrats on the clones:greenthumb:
nice job, good luck:thumbsup:

[cman20118ut]

weedhound you are amazing...i enjoy reading all your grow logs and such...keep up the good work and thanks for making the world a "Greener" place

[Weedhound]

Well what a VERY nice thing to say.....I'm glad you enjoy our stuff...we like doing it and LOVE spreading the word about growing the "green." :D

Thanks for the up post........I really appreciate it. :)

[Weedhound]

She's doing great and growing madly......despite some "scarring" to the top of the older leaves that appears to be permanent. The buds seems to be growing very happily in spite of it so no worries. :thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

I ended up buying some of those flexible "air diffusers" that MVP, Opie and Rhizome were talking about and so far they TOTALLY KICK ASS. :thumbsup: With the "commercial" air pump I have (35 watts) I actually got the air going a little TOO fast and furious and had to slow things down somewhat which was a first. The roots on this plant have come back EXTREMELY well if I do say so myself. :)

Anyone know if those air diffusers are safe for a freshwater fish tank with tetras, angels, etc.....?

[hatch]

Ya Girl, That Shit look's Radical!!!!~~~~~Keep on strok'n on!!!!!:pimp::pimp::pimp::pimp::pimp:

[hatch]

You owe Me a Coke!!!~~~~:D:D:D

[Weedhound]

You owe Me a Coke!!!~~~~:D:D:D

Settle for a nice WW bud when she's all done? :D :jointsmile: :stoned:

[hatch]

I wouldn't feel right. Not Worthy:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
:wtf::wtf::pimp::pimp::pimp::pimp:

[SnSstealth]

lookin lovely WH!!! glad those worked for ya, good to have them roots back! and you were right (of course...lol) about the fan...problem got worse when the plant was moved under the fan...hope i fixed it...but great job on the WW!!!!
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[Krimet]

I love your setup weedhound, beautiful plants btw :jointsmile:

[dejayou30]

Looking great as always Weedhound. What are these flexible diffusers you are talking about? I thought rhizome was all about the Ario diffusers? :wtf: It looks like you're getting a ton of O2 to those roots so I want more info about these diffusers! :jointsmile:

[Weedhound]

Here's what I'm using Deja......Ario...hmmm I must have misunderstood Rhizome but I saw these at my hydro store and after my 2 ten inch airstones lasted about 2 weeks total I decided to try them.

Right now I have 1 4 foot one in each 10 gallon tub (they come in 2,3 and 4 feet long) and and will have 2 2 foot ones in my five gallon buckets all running off the same pump (shown.) The pump is pretty loud compared to the fish air pumps I'm used to but it honestly "blows :D" the other air pumps out of the water.

[Weedhound]

So I've been reading up a little on this strain and have found out a few interesting tidbits. 75/25 indica-sativa but supposed to be a pretty fast finisher at 50 days. I read a review by someone who grew it and while it finished at something like 55 days (slackers :D!) they were quite happy with the end result.

We shall see......:cool:

[SnSstealth]

lookin GOOD WH!!!
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

So here's my future clone mom......(shhhh...no MOM talk...EVER!! :wtf:)

She seems to be doing very well under 2 26/w cfls and just got topped yesterday. My understanding is that you top a MOM....(shhhhh....:jointsmile:) twice to form a sort of "square shape." Somebody please chime in if this is wrong.

I've discovered that with the correct soil and a good amount of perlite it's pretty hard to overwater Sal which is always a big worry of mine since I had such a "clay" problem in my first disastrous soil grow. I'd been very skimpy in the watering and she HAD been growing somewhat slowly but has really jumped up since I increased the watering schedule.

[GreenLeaf420]

So I've been reading up a little on this strain and have found out a few interesting tidbits. 75/25 indica-sativa but supposed to be a pretty fast finisher at 50 days. I read a review by someone who grew it and while it finished at something like 55 days (slackers :D!) they were quite happy with the end result.

We shall see......:cool:

What's that WH THE CHURCH?

I just received a few fems of them.
How did you like the plant and what faults if any?
Sometimes that extra week can make a huge diffrence with the oils and resin.
Alot of new Strains they say are mild in flowering till day 38 40 and then they explode...
Well everything is diffrent but yours are looking nice and healthy!!!!!
Good Job:thumbsup::thumbsup: :jointsmile::jointsmile:

[SnSstealth]

ever think about doing a bonsai mom (shh) WH?

:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[veggii]

WH that plant is looking awesome!! I am soo know looking into hydro , this soil is a pain in the *ss :jointsmile:

[hydrocannabis]

hey WH U kickass at growing. UR plants look great.

[Weedhound]

Thanks for the nice comments you guys.....been kind of busy lately and Mr Hound has been doing the plants......he's getting pretty good at the plant stuff. :D

[Shovelhandle]

Really great looking plants, so you think another 15 days to harvest?

Shov

[Weedhound]

Shov could be, could be. I've never grown this girl before so I'm not honestly sure. . She appears to me to have begun looking "frostier" and not really putting on more bulk so we may indeed be approaching the end.

[dejayou30]

Dang Weedhound, those look really good. Can't wait to see the finish! :thumbsup::jointsmile:

[Weedhound]

What's that WH THE CHURCH?

I just received a few fems of them.
How did you like the plant and what faults if any?
Sometimes that extra week can make a huge diffrence with the oils and resin.
Alot of new Strains they say are mild in flowering till day 38 40 and then they explode...
Well everything is diffrent but yours are looking nice and healthy!!!!!
Good Job:thumbsup::thumbsup: :jointsmile::jointsmile:

Hey GL,

Sorry I always seem to pick up your questions way late......

We just got more Church seeds as well! :thumbsup: If this plant has a flaw its that it's got a bunch of "Swiss Skunk" or something in it that asbsolutely REEKS while growing. Strong!!! Like permeating the house strong! :wtf: Double pack your carbon scrubbers if you ask me. The only other strain I've grown that had a stronger scent while growing was catpiss. :stoned:

Other than that.....hmmm I had some struggles with the plant during the veg stage but I believe they were ph/hydroton related looking back and once that got straightened out she grew great!
Gets these big nice fan leaves on her that kind of reminded me of a banana plant.

Mr Hound really LOVES the church so that's why we got more. :jointsmile:

[SnSstealth]

i have heard alot o good about church...you know the lineage WH? and catpiss is the shit!! real good high too....
WT

[zebulon]

Wh, could you please post a few pix of some Church bud's?? Please....please??
I have ordered Church seeds too, it's a mix of Swiss sativa, Skunk, Super Skunk and Northern Lights....

[Weedhound]

lol, yes you are right Zeb.......the "Skunk" is seperate from the "Swiss" part. I got them all mixed together as one strain....oops.

I'll try and grab some photos today.....if not tomorrow for sure. ;)

[SnSstealth]

looking good as usual WH...who is this Euphoric7 guy giving bad rep on our threads?...oh well, must suck to be so sorry for your self that you gotta do shit like this....keep up the good work WH!!! maybe some bean trades someday?...lol
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[splizzax]

Hey WH! Ive been reading this thread thoroughly and am brainstorming for my DWC setup!!! I want to attach some pics but im so noob i cant figure out how to......any help?

[GreenLeaf420]

Nice one WH plant looks beatiful:thumbsup: Thanks for the input. How are the roots treating you look likes you have everything under control..;)

[GreenLeaf420]

Oh WH Real quick question. I've been following the post I read through the first page again but how long did they veg before you put them into flower to get them so BIG.....:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[GreenLeaf420]

:thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

GL..between 4-5 weeks (from seed) ...the church was 5 weeks in I'm pretty sure. The two I'm doing now GL (power plant, brainstorm) I'm letting veg for six weeks since I'm going to try for a pound a plant. I'll really truly be taking pics today so will update my redwood log as well.

[Weedhound]

Hey WH! Ive been reading this thread thoroughly and am brainstorming for my DWC setup!!! I want to attach some pics but im so noob i cant figure out how to......any help?

To add photos hit "go advanced" in reply section then scroll down to "manage attachments."

I think.....:wtf:

[Weedhound]

Like your new avatar stealth. :)

[SnSstealth]

ty WH...i like your plants:thumbsup:
WT

[Weedhound]

So Mr Hound has been taking care of the plants for the past few days and I've just been taking quick glances. I looked semi-closely :eek: yesterday.....and was HORRIFIED to discover what I thought was POWDERY MILDEW ALL OVER the buds of my white widow. I even looked at some of them under the microscope (we bought this cool kids microscope to check trichs with...it ROCKS!!) and its ALLLLL trichomes!!! :woohoo: I grew White Rhino before but this but that stuff never got a "snowy" look like these do. Pretty amazing......and she AINT DONE yet!! :D :stoned::rastasmoke:

[Weedhound]

I took no less than 20.....no joke......and these are the only two that really came out anywhere decent. I'll try for a few more photos later and see if I can do any better. :wtf:

[SnSstealth]

lol...i cant stop shaking when i try macro shots...again i say, DAMN WH...how the hell do you get those plants so damn big?!
they look lovely:thumbsup:
WT

[Weedhound]

Don't think she'll be done by day 55 but that's ok......worth waiting for. :)

[zebulon]

Great pix WH....:thumbsup: Your photography skill are improving... The plants look amazing, they seem to be real compact...:jointsmile:
And thanks for the Church shots...:stoned: i hope i get those seeds i ordered, i really would like the grow The Church....

[Shovelhandle]

Wonderful plants, WH. I'd like to smoke some of them.

Shovelhandle

[stinkyattic]

Ahhh, now THAT'S refreshment! Iceeeeee!
Your plants look better every grow- grow skills and camera skills both.

[Opie Yutts]

Nice plants as usual. I've just experienced total crop failure for my first time. Everyone should try it at least once.

[Weedhound]

Opie what the fuck happened? Total crop failure?? WHAT happened???

[Krimet]

Is there any reason why you don't trim those plants down some so that the lower branches can get more light?

[Weedhound]

looking good as usual WH...who is this Euphoric7 guy giving bad rep on our threads?...oh well, must suck to be so sorry for your self that you gotta do shit like this....keep up the good work WH!!! maybe some bean trades someday?...lol
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

Tried to rep you w/my email but must have recently.....when I can rep you again........try repping me with yours....;)

[Weedhound]

Krimet the more you trim the more you direct the plant's energy to repair and healing rather than bud production. Everytime you pluck, snip etc.....you are putting the brakes on your plant and slowing things down. Overpruning will also DEFINITELY affect your final yield......a lovely tidbit I found out the very hard way during one grow when I pruned everything I had and ended up with less than 1/2 yield at the end. :(

PS....Don't listen to the growers who tell you trim everything off so the plant "can concentrate on the buds." It DOESN'T work that way......trust me. The plant uses ALL those extra leaves one way or another. Keep your trimming and pruning to a MINUMUM. ;)

[SnSstealth]

i second that!!!!.....i cant rep you either WH!...lol, i got my ways, you will get my e-mail:thumbsup:
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[Opie Yutts]

Opie what the fuck happened? Total crop failure?? WHAT happened???

Didn't check on the plants for 3 days. They were great before, then completely dead when I looked in. A fan went out, but I don't think that's the main problem. I "winged it" mixing up nutes, and PH was too high. Either problem alone probably would have ended up OK, but the two together were too much for the girls to handle. Lesson learned. It sure would be nice to have loads of money so I can set all kinds of James Bond growing gadgets to be controlled and recorded by computer. A print out of temps and other conditions each day would be really cool. OK, I guess I'll set all that up before dinner.