Can anyone answer , why, when a drug addict dies of a accidental Methodne overdose, the goverment is NOT responsible??????????
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Can anyone answer , why, when a drug addict dies of a accidental Methodne overdose, the goverment is NOT responsible??????????
In the same way when someone dies of lung cancer from smoking 'leagl' tobacco, the state is not responsible, or when someone dies from liver disease from alcohol abuse, or when someone dies from disease associated with obesity, the state is not responsible.Quote:
Originally Posted by rastagal
How could the state be responsible? Western society has taken litigation to absurdity.
Peace
Knotter
Politic's Ras,,Politics
It would Cost the State less to just give them Gear! no debate. However they wont do that. If some one takes anything its down too them not Us or anyone Else.
Its not cold its real. Why should my house be unsafe when im out working because someone needs my dvd player too fund his or her habit?. Heroin only came about due to Opium being banned in the first place, now we have Programs which they cant kick either. Thats why all drugs should be legal End off. Ive got a lot of conpassion for anyone down on ther luck but were i turn off is when bleddin hearts say i have too suffer....as well
Peace out D....
But the state providing heroin isnt really tackling the problem either. The people taking heroin have to become junkies beofre the state can 'help' them. Its not going to take gear off the streets.
Plus, alot of meth ends up geting resold back on the street to anyone desperate enough to buy it, im sure the same could probably happen if safe heroin was being provided by the government. Junkies are watchged while they swallow the stuff undersupervision in some places but probably not all. If half of them get a chance they'll hold it in their mouth then spit it out and sell it.
Rastagal, did this addict die from taking a clinic's doseage, or did he take a load of methadone on his own steam in order to get high? The last time i was in London met a guy who had a whole bottle of methdone to supposedly last him the week. I could see how someone with that amount of methadone od-ing if they took too much by accident. I dont see how the state could be accountable in that situation.
It was a wrong dosage given. Clinic mistake.
Knotter I didnt mean litagtionaly(?) responsible, but that here they are preaching to us, yet its ok for them........
I understand Rasta, but we tend to complain alot about the 'Nanny State' and the governement being too involved in peoples personal affairs..In my view you can't have it both ways. Accept responsibility for your actions and the consequences thereof, no crying to the nanny state!Quote:
Originally Posted by rastagal
I have alot of sympathy with addicts. Its a social problem, not a legal problem. FFS, we don't throw alcoholics in jail., why should we do that with other addicts?
I have never understood this: With every crime there has to be a victim, right? So where is the victim in drug use? There isn't one, so how can there be a crime?
Social living is what we need, where drugs are not legalised, but regulated. Where education and health are the number one concerns so that anyone who chooses drugs at least gets a safe product and is educated about that product so they are fully aware what it is they are taking and the likely consequences of taking that particular drug.
End of rant.. :D
Increase the peace
Knotter
Very Spot On Knotter, very well put man. Well ok regulate drug's then. but i still think all drug's should be available in some form because when they are not Thugs take over. Its that simple. Being a junkie is bad enough but when the general population have to suffer as well it just ant good enough. Nobody wants any family member to be addicted to Heroin or coke but if they are which we couldnt stop if they want to do so. Why go to the stage of turning lots of people into criminals?. Ita vote winner to be a high ground person but its not in anyones interest to turn thousands of folk into criminals...
Peace Out D
You know what time it is LoD.. ;)
When will they get the message.. Prohibition does not work!!!
As well as turning otherwise normal law abiding citizens (you and me) into criminals it gives an unfuckingbelievable amount of power and money to the thugs.
I don't want blood on my grass...
peace
Knotter
ABSOLUTELY INCORRECTQuote:
Originally Posted by Land of Drought
prohibition is profitable for the government and it gives millions jobs. From law enforcement to social workers to prison guards. Im not sure how much the US budget for the "war on drugs" is but im sure its in billions. the more drugs the dea stops the bigger their budget is for next year the more people they can hire.
If the war on drugs ends all those people will be out of work. not all but a substantial amount.
If pot becomes legal in NY, im openning up A Dutch Bakery in Brooklyn ASAP! everyone is welcome :)
interesting what u base that on?... have you not seen the BBc Doc Opium Wars maybe im the only person on the plant that has perhaps...........
Opions and arseholes....Im afrais it is true basicly......
The British controled opium then turned there backs on it so with more controls came the gangs opium stinks and like weed is too large to smuggle hense the need for a smaller way too smuggle plus less of a stink. as said its not off the top off my head The bbc documentary was very interesting you should try and get a hold of it...........
I an I agree to an extent,but I assure yuo giving addicts heroin HERE is a big mistake.I beleive there are different types of addicts in the sense of where they live ie,Irish from dutch,english from russian.Just to be lear.In an ideal world prescribing a patient who has a drug problem heroin would be great and would almost surely work no competition but sadly every nation be different.Addicts in this country are mostly self centered and would only see it as another way to get high for free.Like all xmas coming at once.Its not to say all are like that but I an I have a lickle experience in this field and I just go on that.Then theres the trials and many experiments were they gave addicts heroin with a lot of success, in Italy,England etc.But again they addicts were carefully chosen it wasnt just anyone with an addiction to heroin or coke or both.Would be better though if addicts could buy there drugs legally rather than off shady fuckers who worship the almighthy paper.\its a tricky one .:jointsmile:
Brooklyn, if they legalised or regulated can you imagine the revenue that that industry would generate? This would easily replace the income generated by the war on drugs.Quote:
Originally Posted by brooklyn420
Drugs are estimated to be (I think) the 3rd or 4th largest industry in terms of money generated worldwide.
Peace
Knotter
in case anyone has any doubts left about opiates please read below:
morphine was developed to treat opium addicts.
heroin was developed to treat morphine addicts.
and now its methadone's turn to "treat" heroin addicts.
one did not come about cause the other one was banned.
and to speak this is ludacris. they are all from one plant. if you make product of plant illegal they are all illegal.
if you will write something in this forum thats not opinion based please make sure you cant be proven wrong with a 30 second search on google prior to posting.
But this revenue is shared by public enterprise and not soley the gov't money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knotter
Governemt can still cash in through taxing the stuff, but we all know that this is a cash business and no dealer i know will pay taxes if provided with opportunity.
so instead of drug charges we will go to prison for tax evasion. Al Capone being the prime example
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Originally Posted by brooklyn420
No no no....only regulated business would be allowed to sell, much in the same way alcohol and tobacco are regulated now.
Admitted there is a black market for tobacco and alcohol, but its small fry in comparison to the revenue taken on regulated product.
This would put the dealers out of business. Why buy your grass from some shady dealer where you can't verify the source, the quality, the strength when you can pop into your local em.. 'erb shop and buy good clean potent mary jane?
Oh, and if you do open a 'dutch bakery' in NY i'm on my way over for a sample :D
peace
Knotter