Greenhouse Effect 'May Benefit Man'

Pro-Bush think-tank outrages eco-groups with report that denies Greenhouse Effect

http://www.gnn.tv/headlines/headline.php?id=294

Climate change is â??a mythâ??, sea levels are not rising and Britainâ??s chief scientist is â??an embarrassmentâ?? for believing catastrophe is inevitable. These are the controversial views of a new London-based think-tank that will publish a report tomorrow attacking the apocalyptic view that man-made greenhouse gases will destroy the planet.

The International Policy Network will publish its long-awaited study, claiming that the science warning of an environmental disaster caused by climate change is â??fatally flawedâ??. It will state that previous predictions of changes in sea level of a metre over the next 100 years were overestimates.

Instead, the report will say that sea level rises will reach a maximum of just 20cms during the next century, adding that global warming could, in fact, benefit mankind by increasing fish stocks.

The reportâ??s views closely mirror those held by many of President George Bushâ??s senior advisers, who have been accused of derailing attempts to reach international agreement over how to prevent climate change.

The report is set to cause controversy. The network, which has links with some of the Presidentâ??s advisers, has received cash donations from the US oil giant ExxonMobil, which has long lobbied against the climate change agenda. Exxon lists the donation as part of its â??climate change outreachâ?? programme.

Environmentalists yesterday said the network report was an attempt by American neo-conservatives to sabotage the Prime Ministerâ??s attempts to lead the world in tackling climate change.

Last week, the networkâ??s director Julian Morris attacked Britainâ??s highly respected chief scientist. â??David King is an embarrassment to himself and an embarrassment to his country.â?? He criticised preparations by Tony Blair to use his presidency of the worldâ??s most powerful nations next year to lead attempts in tackling climate change.

Morris described Blairâ??s plans to use his G8 tenure to halt global warming as â??offensiveâ??. Bush is understood to have objected to Blair placing the issue at the top of the agenda and to the robust tone of his recent speeches on climate change.

Blair, however, has garnered considerable international support for describing the issue as â??the single, biggest long-term issueâ?? facing the world. According to the network, however, his passion on the matter is not shared by the British public. A poll it commissioned claims six out of 10 Britons believe Blair should not implement the Kyoto protocol if it will harm the economy.

The executive director of the environment group Greenpeace, Stephen Tindale, said: â??Weâ??ve been watching how the network employs the same tactics as Washington neo-cons, now we know they employ some of the same people as well.

â??For years, the tobacco companies blocked action on smoking by sowing doubt about the science. Esso and its friends have done the same thing in the US on climate change and now theyâ??re busy in Britain. Global warming is the biggest threat we face, the science is certain.â??

Environmentalists believe this weekâ??s report will provoke a similar storm to that inspired by Danish statistician Bjorn Lomborg, who maintains climate change is not the greatest threat facing mankind and resources should be spent on more pressing issues, such as tackling HIV.

Tomorrowâ??s findings echo a number of Lomborgâ??s themes, as well as maintaining that â??extreme weatherâ?? is more likely caused by a natural cycle rather than man-made. It also challenges assumptions that climate change will lead to a rise in malaria along with more positive effects, such as increasing fish stocks in the north Atlantic and reducing the incidence of temperature-related deaths among vulnerable people.

Morris admitted receiving money from a number of companies, including $50,000 from Exxon, but denied the organisation was a front for neo-conservative opinion. â??I have written about these issues for many years. If a company wants to provide money, then Iâ??d be happy to accept it.â??

He added that his $1 million budget is small compared to those of international groups, such as Greenpeace and Friends of the Earth.


Peace

It's funny how people are in such a state of denial about global warming. Every winter in Montreal, there's less and less snow, and it begins later and later. When I was a kid, 6-7 years old, there was already about 1 foot of snow on the ground at Christmas. These past few years, it hasn't really snowed until January comes by.... It really frightens me...

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A poll it claims six out of 10 Britons believe Blair should not implement the Kyoto protocol if it will harm the economy.

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Dont mess with the money........................you can mess with anything else but not the money.............unbelievable.


Peace

Order out of Chaos



Global Warming is a LIE! We are in the beginning stages of the next Ice Age.

by William Cooper

Veritas News Service - Exclusive, January 17, 2001 -- When I was in the Navy attached to the Intelligence Briefing Team of Admiral Bernard Clarey, then CINCPACFLT, a Top Secret government scientific report surfaced claiming that we were then in the beginning stages of the next ice age. The report was classified at such a high level due to the implications for the civilian populations of the higher latitudes.

Concerned scientists began warning us as far back as the early 1970's despite government disapproval. And I revealed the contents of the report that I had seen beginning in 1988 during my lectures, and again in my book Behold A Pale Horse which was published in December of 1991. Global warming is a bold faced lie serving a Marxist political agenda.

The history of the world's weather patterns are recorded in trees, rocks, glacial deposits, lakes, the ocean depths, and in the ice caps at both poles. Scientists have figured out how to read this history and its message is unmistakable. The evidence tells us that the world weather cycles are regular, predictable, and dependable. The evidence tells us that we are already in the beginning stages of the next ice age.

Every cycle consists of accelerating cold culminating in what has become known as an ice age immediately followed by warming known as an interglacial period. Scientists have discovered that there have been 7 ice ages and 7 interglacial periods over the last 800,000 years. Each Ice Age lasted for 100,000 years give or take a few thousand, and each interglacial warming period has lasted from 10,000 to 12,000 years only. According to this evidence, which in some cases is literally written in stone, we may be a thousand years overdue for an ice age. But that's not all.

The earth's record tells us that the level of CO2 has played a decisive roll in deciding the onslaught of an ice age, and it is exactly the opposite effect of what the global warming con-artists have asked us to believe. Scientists have discovered that every time in history that the carbon dioxide (CO2) content of the atmosphere has exceeded 290 parts per million an ice age has occurred without fail. The level of CO2 in the earths atmosphere currently exceeds 360 parts per million. The level of CO2 in the atmosphere also tells us that we are overdue for an ice age. But that's not all.

The true statistics taken by those who conduct legitimate research at the poles tell us that the ice caps are not shrinking but growing. The official numbers coming from Alaska and from the Canadian government scientists tell us that glaciers are not melting but getting larger. The temperature readings of the atmosphere taken by satellites tell us that the atmosphere is not warming but cooling. But that's not all.

It has recently been discovered that the figures touted in support of global warming were intentionally computed in a manner that inflated the statistics by as much as 40% in error. It has also been revealed that much of the data in support of global warming has been taken from large cities and populated areas where concrete captures and holds heat from the sun giving false inflated data. Temperature readings taken from remote rural areas confirm the satellite readings. And this winter record cold has surfaced everywhere toppling official records around the globe.

Legitimate scientists have been warning us that an ice age cometh since the early 70's. Any intelligent person who examines the data without any other agenda than an objective assessment of future weather patterns will reach the same conclusion. We are in the beginning stages of the next ice age and there isn't anything whatsoever that we can do to stop it... so we had damn well better get ready.

According to history the temperature will creep lower, very slowly, year by year, over thousands of years until the higher latitudes are covered with ice in the form of glaciers. Most of the food producing land in those same latitudes will become inhospitable, unproductive, and for the most part uninhabitable.

The United States government classified the report that I read as Top Secret because they did not know what to do about it then, and they do not know what to do about it now. In the face of an ever increasing world population the problem seems insurmountable. Is it? Are we helpless against the forces of nature? What, if anything, can we do to prepare for the inevitable?

Promoting the hoax of global warming in order to increase government control, and especially global government control, to delay dealing with the problem is not an answer, but guaranteed disaster... on a scale that I don't even want to think about. How about you? Are you finally ready to face the facts and deal with this problem, or will we continue in the lie in the interest of a massive global reduction in population?

The Marxist agenda of the new world order calls for a massive reduction in the world's population. An ice age, for which no one is prepared, is guaranteed to do the job. And that is the true purpose of the lie known as global warming.



Peace

I found the above article on www.hourofthetime.com


Peace

Let's not forget antarctica used to be a lush jungle environment millions of years ago. Earth changes; just because it's happening in our lifetime doesn't mean we are to blame. Humans pump out about 3% of the total CO2 emissions. The other 97 is from biogas etc."A poll claims six out of 10 Britons believe Blair should not implement the Kyoto protocol if it will harm the economy". Damn right. I enjoy living in a free market."The Marxist agenda of the new world order calls for a massive reduction in the world's population. An ice age, for which no one is prepared, is guaranteed to do the job. And that is the true purpose of the lie known as global warming.
" Again I ask you herbaholic, is there anything which you haven't got a conspiratorial explanation for?

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I guess you are refereing to the article about the ice age?, it is clearly not my explanation as it was writtern by William Cooper.
I originally posted the article Greenhouse Effect 'May Benefit Man' and then came across the article 'Global Warming is a LIE! We are in the beginning stages of the next Ice Age. ' which throws a completely different spin on it. Its about that simple.

Peace

FUCKING SELFISH GREEDY COCKS everywhere that don't give a shit if the whole planet is destroyed as long as they can make a bit more money WANKERS why don't they just accept the responsibility CUNTS and do something. It rarely snows at all here in the SE of England because of the TOSSPOTS spewing out shit everywhere it's not even like they won't live to see it FUCKERS!

Well the only good thing is, as we sink into an ice age I will be able to gloat saying I told you so.

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Originally Posted by mr chinnery

Let's not forget antarctica used to be a lush jungle environment millions of years ago. Earth changes; just because it's happening in our lifetime doesn't mean we are to blame. Humans pump out about 3% of the total CO2 emissions. The other 97 is from biogas etc."A poll claims six out of 10 Britons believe Blair should not implement the Kyoto protocol if it will harm the economy". Damn right. I enjoy living in a free market."The Marxist agenda of the new world order calls for a massive reduction in the world's population. An ice age, for which no one is prepared, is guaranteed to do the job. And that is the true purpose of the lie known as global warming.
" Again I ask you herbaholic, is there anything which you haven't got a conspiratorial explanation for?

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Antarctica was like that millions of years ago. The climate is changing a lot faster than before, and even if 97% is from biogas, that 97% has been produced for millions of years, trees were creating a nice balance of oxygen to counter-act the CO2. But now there is more CO2 plus less trees to absorb it. We are fucking up the world, face it.

to me, it's apparent. just go outside. it's ok if its the middle of december...you wont even need a jacket here! i think its snowed once...and it melted within hours. check out the crazy hurricane season we had last year...every year these things will get worse. at some point people will have to face this reality.
what kind of earth are we leaving the next generation?

this is a good subject herb...kudos!! :)

Maybe when someone conclusively proves it Kombucha, I'll believe it. Until then, I'm going to keep driving my car and ignoring Greenpeace's hippy bullshit.

Fucking hell... "hippy bullshit." You are so ignorant.

These people are trying to help you. You are saying you don't believe in global warming, despite the fact that it is obviously happening. Even if you don't believe scientists, if you have a basic knowledge of physics or chemistry you will know that global warming is obviously happening. Is the lack of snow, mild winters, melting ice caps and increased flooding and storms not proof enough? What would be proof? When it kills you and half of the human race, plus a few billion other species? This isn't gambling money, possessions, even your life... This is gambling the entire planet and all the life on it. Just for a slightly easier life and a better economy. This is just the kind of selfishness that is present throughout the human race, and it is the kind of attitude that will ultimately destroy the human race.

I'm ignorant? Please direct me to some sources which explain in basic chemical or physical terms how we are directly responsible for 'global warming'. Unfortunately, the 'lack of snow, mild winters, melting ice caps and increased flooding and storms' do not constitute evidence of man causing global warming through CO2 emissions, merely that the climate is changing. As it always has done.

the climate shouldnt change dramatically in a lifetime.

i think that was an intelligent post kombucha :)

im just waiting for next year's hurricane season...i used to live on the gulf coast ya know..its so beautiful..white sand beaches, subtropical jungle...palm trees...but um..also intensifying monster hurricanes. no thanks! i fear that soon the topic wont be open for debate...we'll just be debating the severity(sp?) of the situation..

too bad about those polar bears.... on the other hand its kind of cool having warmer winters....hey it probably helps our marijuana grow :)

Why shouldn't it? Has the climate always been in stasis? I think that there's just not sufficient evidence either way to draw a conclusion, but personally i think human's economic growth can't yet be blamed.

It's total hypocrisy to complain about anything to do with the environment, the government, or large corporations while commuting with an internal combustion engine vehicle. Each and every person can be a part of the sollution... and not part of the polution! Get out of your cars and start riding a bicycle. You'll save money and you'll be much healthier. STOP DRIVING!!!!!!

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Human influence at least doubled the risk of last year's Europe-wide heatwave. That is the conclusion of leading scientists who say they are more than 90% sure of the fact. The research, published in Nature magazine, is a significant milestone on the road to establishing liability for climate change damage.
It boosts the argument that greenhouse gas emissions have increased temperatures both globally and regionally, and it brings nearer the day when courts will be asked to decide where liability lies.


This "detection and attribution science", as it is known, lies behind the many efforts of lawyers and campaigners around the world to enforce the law to combat the causes and impacts of climate change.

In 2001, the world's scientists said that globally, most of the warming was due to human activities. Since then, at least three peer-reviewed papers have revealed human influence on regional temperatures; human influence, found for the first time, on a climate variable other than temperature - sea-level pressure; and now "the first successful attempt to detect man-made influence on a specific extreme climatic event", according to Christoph Schär, at the Institute for Atmospheric and Climate Science in Zurich, and Gerd Jendritzky, of the German Weather Service.

The courts have already responded positively to these findings. The legal relevance of climate change has now been accepted by US and Australian judges in cases where decisions leading to more coal mining and electricity transmission were found to be illegal. And a Californian appeals judge has rejected the idea that "injury to all is injury to none" where "global environmental impact is threatened by a federal statutory wrong".



http://www.guardian.co.uk/climatecha...,00.html<br />

Unfortunately that link's broken but I'll do my best Herbaholic! "detection and attribution science"? Sounds like another name for retrospective science to me, which is weak science. Scientists have to PROVE cause and effect, not just give evidence which supports arguments. As for the lawyers and campaigners (journalists too), they all have their own agendas and are free to pick and choose the science which best represents their needs. Don't believe everything you read in the paper. Schär specialises in regional climatic change, not global, so maybe he's not the best source. I'm sure the legal profession is over the moon about "legal relevance of climate change". I'm sure they can't wait to line their pockets with the myriad lawsuits they'll be able to bring...But maybe I'm just being cynical.

Evidence - how about the fact that recently may places in the world have had the hottest summer/day on record recently, and some of the worst storms on record recently. The planet is big, things do not happen that quickly on their own. Think about it. Even if there is a 1% risk of global warming being real, it isn't worth risking it. I always thought stoners would be reasonable people, I've seen a lot of very narrow minded and selfish people on these forums (fortunately a lot of nice people too.) It's not nice to think that humans are so greedy they will risk the entire planet for the sake of a slightly easier life or more money. In the past few years my opinion of humanity has greatly changed, I used to see humans as a lot of good people with a few bad people mixed in, now I've realised that they are a lot of selfish, jealous and greedy individuals who will only give if it benefits them or it benefits someone close, who will be utter bastards if they can do it anonymously, with just a few good people mixed in who actually give a damn.

I see what yall mean...its the first day of winter here in Texas and its 65 degrees F...ohhh wait..its always like that...