Hillary makes it official

Well, she made it official this morning on her Web site, saying she intends to run for the presidential nomination and that she's "In and in to win." Anyone with eyes has known this was coming, but it concerns me greatly. She has tremendous fund-raising power, especially with a rock star like Bill on the stump alongside her, and a considerable amount of support, but the opposition to her is huge, too. In the end, I feel she'll do our side more harm than good. I wish she'd put her ego aside and let Obama take his shot. There's not so much deep-seated dislike of him.

ABC News: Hillary Clinton Launching Presidential Run

...I thought it was a given?.....combo...Hillary-Obama..if they don't tear each other apart in the primaries..they shouldn't do that...they have a common foe...

..opposition to the war..is a lock..for a win...if it don't improve soon...I don't see that...many others don't either...you know..the "silent majority"...

..the planets and stars with have to aligin just right for a woman president and black vice-president.....hell..the first time I voted....blacks and whites could not marry in 16 states....1967....."have a nice day"- Forrest Gump...:)..

That may well be the way it turns out--Clinton-Obama--since they're considered the top two frontrunners, and they usually combine after the convention to carry the ball. In some ways, it's too bad it's not Bill this time since he's the Clinton who's commonly referred to as "our first black President" and he would seem to be a better "cool fit" with Obama.

The problem with Hillary at the top of that ticket is there's so much strongly polarized opposition to her. Her presence alone will marshall the forces so strongly against that ticket that I predict it'll have less chance than a snowball in hell. Perhaps I'm wrong. I hope I am! But I think she hurts our chances rather than helps them.

...it's that damn 22d Admendent.....thanks.. FDR....just when we need him most..or Bill...

Obama has been a Senator for 2 years...he stands no chance whatsoever atwinning. He lacks the experience, only reason hes The Poster boy of the Democrats is because he is black, and acts white.

LMAO! Clinton/Obama........I found two candidates that would kick their asses.

I really hope the dems are dumb enough to go with Hillary.......it would be a lock for whoever the other parties ran.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

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Originally Posted by Myth1184

Obama has been a Senator for 2 years...he stands no chance whatsoever atwinning. He lacks the experience, only reason hes The Poster boy of the Democrats is because he is black, and acts white.

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You might want to do some more reading, Myth. Obama actually stands a very good chance, and his Washington experience may not matter. The truth is, by the time an actual 2008 election comes around, he'll already have more national-level political experience than Dubya had when he won his election. Dubya'd been a governor but had no experience in the house or senate at all. And if you know a little about the presidency, you'll know that that's a job in which experience isn't everything. That's why they have cabinets and advisers--to cover those bases.

http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=w051205&s=lizza120605

Not as Much about him being Muslim, as much as Hilary Outing him....

Insight

Hillary's team has questions about Obama's Muslim background

Sen. Barack Obama approached the media after a meeting with President Bush at the White House on Jan. 5. (AFP/File/Mannie Garcia)



Are the American people ready for an elected president who was educated in a Madrassa as a young boy and has not been forthcoming about his Muslim heritage?



This is the question Sen. Hillary Rodham Clintonâ??s camp is asking about Sen. Barack Obama.


An investigation of Mr. Obama by political opponents within the Democratic Party has discovered that Mr. Obama was raised as a Muslim by his stepfather in Indonesia. Sources close to the background check, which has not yet been released, said Mr. Obama, 45, spent at least four years in a so-called Madrassa, or Muslim seminary, in Indonesia.



"He was a Muslim, but he concealed it," the source said. "His opponents within the Democrats hope this will become a major issue in the campaign."



When contacted by Insight, Mr. Obamaâ??s press secretary said he would consult with â??his bossâ?� and call back. He did not.



Sources said the background check, conducted by researchers connected to Senator Clinton, disclosed details of Mr. Obama's Muslim past. The sources said the Clinton camp concluded the Illinois Democrat concealed his prior Muslim faith and education.



"The background investigation will provide major ammunition to his opponents," the source said. "The idea is to show Obama as deceptive."



In two best-selling autobiographiesâ??"The Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream" and "Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance"â??Mr. Obama, born in Honolulu where his parents met, mentions but does not expand on his Muslim background, alluding only to his attendance at a "predominantly Muslim school."



The sources said the young Obama was given the name Hussein by his Muslim father, which the Illinois Democrat rarely uses in public.


His father was black and came from Kenya. Mr. Obamaâ??s mother, the daughter of a farmer, came from Wichita, Kansas. Mr. Obama's parents divorced when he was two years old. His father returned to Kenya.



Later, Mr. Obama's mother married an Indonesian student and the family moved to Jakarta. Mr. Obama returned to Hawaii when he was 10 to live with his maternal grandparents.



The sources said the background check concerned Mr. Obama's years in Jakarta. In Indonesia, the young Obama was enrolled in a Madrassa and was raised and educated as a Muslim. Although Indonesia is regarded as a moderate Muslim state, the U.S. intelligence community has determined that today most of these schools are financed by the Saudi Arabian government and they teach a Wahhabi doctrine that denies the rights of non-Muslims.


VVVVVone of themost radical sects of Muslims VVVVVVVV wahhabist, great!

Although the background check has not confirmed that the specific Madrassa Mr. Obama attended was espousing Wahhabism, the sources said his Democratic opponents believe this to be the caseâ??and are seeking to prove it. The sources said the opponents are searching for evidence that Mr. Obama is still a Muslim or has ties to Islam.



Mr. Obama attends services at Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicagoâ??s South Side. However, he is not known to be a regular parishioner.



"Obama's education began a life-long relationship with Islam as a faith and Muslims as a community," the source said. "This has been a relationship that contains numerous question marks."



The sources said Mr. Obama spent at least four years in a Muslim school in Indonesia. They said when Mr. Obama was 10, his mother and her second husband separated. She and her son returned to Hawaii.



"Then the official biography begins," the source said. "Obama never returned to Kenya to see relatives or family until it became politically expedient."



In both of his autobiographies, Mr. Obama characterizes himself as a Christianâ??although he describes his upbringing as mostly secular.



In â??The Audacity of Hope,â?� Mr. Obama says, "I was not raised in a religious household." He describes his mother as secular, but says she had copies of the Bible, the Koran and the Bhagavad Gita in their home.



Mr. Obama says his father was "raised a Muslim, but by the time he met my mother he was a confirmed atheist...." Mr. Obama also describes his father as largely absent from his life. He says his Indonesian stepfather was "skeptical" about religion and "saw religion as not particularly useful in the practical business of making one's way in the world ...."



In the book, Mr. Obama briefly addresses his education in Indonesia. "During the five years that we would live with my stepfather in Indonesia, I was sent first to a neighborhood Catholic school and then to a predominantly Muslim school; in both cases, my mother was less concerned with me learning the catechism or puzzling out the meaning of the muezzin's call to evening prayer than she was with whether I was properly learning my multiplication tables."

OK, I'm going to step out on a limb here and shock our resident Islamophobes. But if we did end up having a President who had a deeper level of understanding and insight into that culture, I would see that as a rather impressive advantage, and I suspect the rest of the world would agree. It doesn't mean he's going to try and convert us or suddenly attempt some insidious unification of mosque and state in this country. Heck, Dubya has done far more to ruin the traditional separation between church and state than any modern American leader in history.

I personally take Obama at his word--that he had an Islamic father and some exposure to that background during his schooling but that he's a Christian. This clearly is the case. But politics is a nasty game. And the Republicans won't even have to get their hands dirty. Before the convention and the primaries begin, his Democratic competitors are going to take issue with the fact that he's half black, half African, had exposure to Islamic teachings during his childhood, and that his middle name is Hussein.

I wouldn't mind seeing a Clinton/Clinton ticket. Nothing says Bill couldn't be VP. And would probably be the only reason I would vote for her.

Bush
Bush
Cinton
Clinton
Bush
Bush
Clinton- Clinton?????

What about a change?

with clinton it would be cool, we could get attacked all the time with no retaliation......just like the old days.......sweet.......

ahhh yes, and today hillary was endorsed by two rupert murdoch owned publications...it's not left versus right...

it's the establishment elite dog and pony show candidate puppet versus all of us, and the constitution...

I wouldn't vote for either .... Clinton is a corporatist and Obama is a go along with the program guy .... he voted for the war criminals in the confirmation hearings ..... nope ... don't like them ..... don't like them at all.

Fiengold, or Edwards .... if the DNC doesn't screw things up again.

:noel:

i like John Edwards. he seems less radical and more in touch with the people than hillary or obama. they criticize him for being inexperienced even though he has way more experience than obama. i wont vote for hillary, dont know yet about obama.

Hillary is a lying back pedalling idiot. barac hussien obama, has no experience in any thing that really matters, he just talks a good game. He has old drunk kennedys hand up his rectum pulling his strings like a puppet. VOTE GREEN!:pimp:

Hell yes frosty.......


dark... I like Edwards better than bolth of them......too.

i dislike the politics of both obama and clinton, but i really dont want to see a split party. i really dont want another 4 years with a republican administration. the third party hasnt been voted in since i think the 1850s, so how about we give them a chance at it?

i find them both....scary.......makes me happy i am no longer in the states..

i am a huge mccain fan and think he could fix everything that is going on..too bad bush ruined it for the republicans.....

anyway, i dont usually post here, so i should be going...im getting out of the kitchen cause i sure cant take the heat..

princess :D

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Originally Posted by surreys princess

i find them both....scary.......makes me happy i am no longer in the states..

i am a huge mccain fan and think he could fix everything that is going on..too bad bush ruined it for the republicans.....

anyway, i dont usually post here, so i should be going...im getting out of the kitchen cause i sure cant take the heat..

princess :D

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RUN CUPCAKE, RUN........you'll be eaten alive down in these parts. LOL

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

yikes......

im gone....lol...just thought it would be fun to say something here for once and say hello in this neck of the woods...

have fun guys...

princess

Glad to hear your opinion here, too, Princess! I confess that I admire and respect McCain a lot myself. I would love to see what he'd do to get us out of this Iraq mess we're in.

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Originally Posted by birdgirl73

Glad to hear your opinion here, too, Princess! I confess that I admire and respect McCain a lot myself. I would love to see what he'd do to get us out of this Iraq mess we're in.

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Actually I saw him on TV the other day and he was for the esculation. Our 5 divisions with the Iraqi's 18, not to mention the new attitude about dealing with Sadr.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

Princess....You are allways welcome here......


BG,
When I say "dumb lib" or liberalism is a mental disorder is...example....

when Grow rebel says..... she doesnt understand why some one would get a visit from the secret service, for saying the should have hung president Bush insted of Saddam......YOU ARE DUMB.....

When you say the Gdub (pissy) flew planes into buildings, and blew up WTC7... you are Dumb!!!!!!!!!!

When you dont understand the threat that radical Islam is putting on us ( while the moderates dont stand up).... You are Dumb!!!!!

I understand that I cant change those leftwing socialist Idiots..... But i try.

I still would never Put someone like you into that group, (even thogh you have met Cindy Sheehan....LOL)

Level headed Democrat......LHD is what you are......

I am a rightwing, head popping, Capitalist, neocon, and I will die that way....

My problem is I love the Idea, of what America, has been, and what it could be.

If I dont like the president.......(clinton was a an Idiot), I still respect the office, and I dont hate america cause i didnt like the President.

The country was devided when...Gore lost the election I know it was a 7-2 decision in Fl. The libs should have sucked it up and moved on.

Why when the Dems lose there is voter fraud....

when the dems win it is OK, no voter fraud? <<<<<< part of why Liberalism is a mental disorder.........

Then we get people like Wardchurchill, Alex Jones, and all the other America haters, hiding behind there bullshit....

So when Pissy, Post all his prison planet anti american, bullshit....he is DUMB.

With Much Respect
B30

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Originally Posted by birdgirl73

Glad to hear your opinion here, too, Princess! I confess that I admire and respect McCain a lot myself. I would love to see what he'd do to get us out of this Iraq mess we're in.

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The respect i have for McCain is off the hook...Viet Nam POW, OMG.....

Im still not sure about his View on Illegal imagration....


from now till 08....it is going to be a rollercoaster ride...Hold on....LOL