Hillary makes it official

[birdgirl73]

Well, she made it official this morning on her Web site, saying she intends to run for the presidential nomination and that she's "In and in to win." Anyone with eyes has known this was coming, but it concerns me greatly. She has tremendous fund-raising power, especially with a rock star like Bill on the stump alongside her, and a considerable amount of support, but the opposition to her is huge, too. In the end, I feel she'll do our side more harm than good. I wish she'd put her ego aside and let Obama take his shot. There's not so much deep-seated dislike of him.

ABC News: Hillary Clinton Launching Presidential Run

birdgirl73 Reviewed by birdgirl73 on 01-20-2007. Hillary makes it official Well, she made it official this morning on her Web site, saying she intends to run for the presidential nomination and that she's "In and in to win." Anyone with eyes has known this was coming, but it concerns me greatly. She has tremendous fund-raising power, especially with a rock star like Bill on the stump alongside her, and a considerable amount of support, but the opposition to her is huge, too. In the end, I feel she'll do our side more harm than good. I wish she'd put her ego aside and Rating: 5

[Dutch Pimp]

...I thought it was a given?.....combo...Hillary-Obama..if they don't tear each other apart in the primaries..they shouldn't do that...they have a common foe...

..opposition to the war..is a lock..for a win...if it don't improve soon...I don't see that...many others don't either...you know..the "silent majority"...

..the planets and stars with have to aligin just right for a woman president and black vice-president.....hell..the first time I voted....blacks and whites could not marry in 16 states....1967....."have a nice day"- Forrest Gump.....

[birdgirl73]

That may well be the way it turns out--Clinton-Obama--since they're considered the top two frontrunners, and they usually combine after the convention to carry the ball. In some ways, it's too bad it's not Bill this time since he's the Clinton who's commonly referred to as "our first black President" and he would seem to be a better "cool fit" with Obama.

The problem with Hillary at the top of that ticket is there's so much strongly polarized opposition to her. Her presence alone will marshall the forces so strongly against that ticket that I predict it'll have less chance than a snowball in hell. Perhaps I'm wrong. I hope I am! But I think she hurts our chances rather than helps them.

[Dutch Pimp]

...it's that damn 22d Admendent.....thanks.. FDR....just when we need him most..or Bill...

[Myth1184]

Obama has been a Senator for 2 years...he stands no chance whatsoever atwinning. He lacks the experience, only reason hes The Poster boy of the Democrats is because he is black, and acts white.

[Psycho4Bud]

LMAO! Clinton/Obama........I found two candidates that would kick their asses.

I really hope the dems are dumb enough to go with Hillary.......it would be a lock for whoever the other parties ran.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[birdgirl73]

Obama has been a Senator for 2 years...he stands no chance whatsoever atwinning. He lacks the experience, only reason hes The Poster boy of the Democrats is because he is black, and acts white.

You might want to do some more reading, Myth. Obama actually stands a very good chance, and his Washington experience may not matter. The truth is, by the time an actual 2008 election comes around, he'll already have more national-level political experience than Dubya had when he won his election. Dubya'd been a governor but had no experience in the house or senate at all. And if you know a little about the presidency, you'll know that that's a job in which experience isn't everything. That's why they have cabinets and advisers--to cover those bases.

http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=w051205&s=lizza120605

[Bong30]

Not as Much about him being Muslim, as much as Hilary Outing him....

Insight

Hillary's team has questions about Obama's Muslim background

Sen. Barack Obama approached the media after a meeting with President Bush at the White House on Jan. 5. (AFP/File/Mannie Garcia)



Are the American people ready for an elected president who was educated in a Madrassa as a young boy and has not been forthcoming about his Muslim heritage?



This is the question Sen. Hillary Rodham Clintonâ??s camp is asking about Sen. Barack Obama.


An investigation of Mr. Obama by political opponents within the Democratic Party has discovered that Mr. Obama was raised as a Muslim by his stepfather in Indonesia. Sources close to the background check, which has not yet been released, said Mr. Obama, 45, spent at least four years in a so-called Madrassa, or Muslim seminary, in Indonesia.



"He was a Muslim, but he concealed it," the source said. "His opponents within the Democrats hope this will become a major issue in the campaign."



When contacted by Insight, Mr. Obamaâ??s press secretary said he would consult with â??his bossâ?� and call back. He did not.



Sources said the background check, conducted by researchers connected to Senator Clinton, disclosed details of Mr. Obama's Muslim past. The sources said the Clinton camp concluded the Illinois Democrat concealed his prior Muslim faith and education.



"The background investigation will provide major ammunition to his opponents," the source said. "The idea is to show Obama as deceptive."



In two best-selling autobiographiesâ??"The Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream" and "Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance"â??Mr. Obama, born in Honolulu where his parents met, mentions but does not expand on his Muslim background, alluding only to his attendance at a "predominantly Muslim school."



The sources said the young Obama was given the name Hussein by his Muslim father, which the Illinois Democrat rarely uses in public.


His father was black and came from Kenya. Mr. Obamaâ??s mother, the daughter of a farmer, came from Wichita, Kansas. Mr. Obama's parents divorced when he was two years old. His father returned to Kenya.



Later, Mr. Obama's mother married an Indonesian student and the family moved to Jakarta. Mr. Obama returned to Hawaii when he was 10 to live with his maternal grandparents.



The sources said the background check concerned Mr. Obama's years in Jakarta. In Indonesia, the young Obama was enrolled in a Madrassa and was raised and educated as a Muslim. Although Indonesia is regarded as a moderate Muslim state, the U.S. intelligence community has determined that today most of these schools are financed by the Saudi Arabian government and they teach a Wahhabi doctrine that denies the rights of non-Muslims.


VVVVVone of themost radical sects of Muslims VVVVVVVV wahhabist, great!

Although the background check has not confirmed that the specific Madrassa Mr. Obama attended was espousing Wahhabism, the sources said his Democratic opponents believe this to be the caseâ??and are seeking to prove it. The sources said the opponents are searching for evidence that Mr. Obama is still a Muslim or has ties to Islam.



Mr. Obama attends services at Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicagoâ??s South Side. However, he is not known to be a regular parishioner.



"Obama's education began a life-long relationship with Islam as a faith and Muslims as a community," the source said. "This has been a relationship that contains numerous question marks."



The sources said Mr. Obama spent at least four years in a Muslim school in Indonesia. They said when Mr. Obama was 10, his mother and her second husband separated. She and her son returned to Hawaii.



"Then the official biography begins," the source said. "Obama never returned to Kenya to see relatives or family until it became politically expedient."



In both of his autobiographies, Mr. Obama characterizes himself as a Christianâ??although he describes his upbringing as mostly secular.



In â??The Audacity of Hope,â?� Mr. Obama says, "I was not raised in a religious household." He describes his mother as secular, but says she had copies of the Bible, the Koran and the Bhagavad Gita in their home.



Mr. Obama says his father was "raised a Muslim, but by the time he met my mother he was a confirmed atheist...." Mr. Obama also describes his father as largely absent from his life. He says his Indonesian stepfather was "skeptical" about religion and "saw religion as not particularly useful in the practical business of making one's way in the world ...."



In the book, Mr. Obama briefly addresses his education in Indonesia. "During the five years that we would live with my stepfather in Indonesia, I was sent first to a neighborhood Catholic school and then to a predominantly Muslim school; in both cases, my mother was less concerned with me learning the catechism or puzzling out the meaning of the muezzin's call to evening prayer than she was with whether I was properly learning my multiplication tables."

[birdgirl73]

OK, I'm going to step out on a limb here and shock our resident Islamophobes. But if we did end up having a President who had a deeper level of understanding and insight into that culture, I would see that as a rather impressive advantage, and I suspect the rest of the world would agree. It doesn't mean he's going to try and convert us or suddenly attempt some insidious unification of mosque and state in this country. Heck, Dubya has done far more to ruin the traditional separation between church and state than any modern American leader in history.

I personally take Obama at his word--that he had an Islamic father and some exposure to that background during his schooling but that he's a Christian. This clearly is the case. But politics is a nasty game. And the Republicans won't even have to get their hands dirty. Before the convention and the primaries begin, his Democratic competitors are going to take issue with the fact that he's half black, half African, had exposure to Islamic teachings during his childhood, and that his middle name is Hussein.

[Zimzum]

I wouldn't mind seeing a Clinton/Clinton ticket. Nothing says Bill couldn't be VP. And would probably be the only reason I would vote for her.