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To Destroy Iran's Nuclear Bomb Program,350 Targets Must Be Hit
To Destroy Iran??s Nuclear Bomb Program, 350 Targets Must Be Hit (Debka)
Debka ^ | Nov. 19, 2004 | Debka
According to one official with access to the material, a ??walk-in? source approached US intelligence earlier this month with more than 1,000 pages purported to be Iranian drawings and technical documents, including a nuclear warhead design and modifications to enable Iranian ballistic missiles to delivery an atomic strike. The warhead design is based on implosion and adjustments aimed at fitting the warhead on existing Iranian missiles.
DEBKAfile??s military experts believe the data referred to the Shehab-3 and its improved version, the Shehab-4.
The US official said he would not have revealed this much had not Powell alluded to the intelligence publicly. If the information is confirmed, it would mean the Islamic republic is further along than previously known in developing a nuclear weapon and the means to deliver it.
According to DEBKAfile??s Washington sources, the Pentagon??s most recent game model on military measures to dispose of Iran??s nuclear threat concludes it will be necessary to topple the Islamic republic??s regime at the same time.
The first stage would be a bombing mission against the regime??s primary prop, the Revolutionary Guards.
The second stage would be the destruction of known and probable nuclear sites ?? a much harder mission given the hundreds of sites known and unknown number and carefully camouflaged underground behind cunning window-dressing. US intelligence estimates as many as 350 sites. It does not have precise knowledge of which are the most important or even which are active.
The most secret section of the latest report the International Atomic Energy Agency??s director Mohammed ElBaradai has drafted on Iran??s nuclear program is also the most embarrassing for the international nuclear watchdog. We reveal exclusively that when inspectors arrived in Iran in mid-May and asked to revisit installations they saw in February or April, they were astonished to find empty spaces. When they questioned their Iranian escorts, they were greeted with blank stares. ??What installations?? the officials asked.
According to our sources, US officials involved in the Iranian nuclear issue have no doubt that the installations were not destroyed but removed to secret subterranean sites probably built under military bases scattered around the country and that the Iranians are industriously advancing their forbidden programs.
Five months later, we have discovered one of those clandestine destinations to be the Nour ??nuclear suburb? of Tehran.
Further additional info provided by a Freeper:
From www.EdwardJayEpstein.com
Question:
General Yuri Baluyevsky, the Russian Deputy Chief of Staff said in Moscow on June 2002, "Iran does have nuclear weapons. These are non-strategic nuclear weapons."
Is there a Russian connection to Iran's nuclear program that might explain this assessment?
Answer:
Yes, Russia is the prime subcontractor for Iran' nuclear program. Consider the following:
1) Russia is building six nuclear reactors for Iran, four at Bushehr and two at Akhvaz, and a uranium-conversion plant that can be used for, among other things, uranium enrichment.
2) The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) laboratory at Seibersdorf, Austria, ascertained that Iranian centrifuges made indigenously in Iran ?? not imported gear ?? showed traces of on enriched uranium with a purity level of 36 percent U-235. Russia appears to have been the source of this enriched uranium, since the IAEA lab also found a "likely match" between the atomic signatures of the 36% uranium used in Russian submarines and the traces gathered from Iranian centrifuges.
3) Russian 36% U-235 could easily be raised to weapon-grade U-235 with either centrifuges or the laser isotope separating system it reportedly acquired from Russia . ( It would take just 25 centrifuges to convert 70 pounds of 36% U-235 into 90% weapon-grade U-235.)
4) The AIEA also determined that Iran produced polonium 210, an isotope used by Russian scientists (in combination with beryllium) to ensure the chain reaction leading to a nuclear explosion begins at the right time.
5) According to a report in the Jerusalem Post in 1998, a defecting Iranian nuclear scientist's provided an account of Iran's efforts to acquire nuclear weapons to Israel. These efforts included using Russian criminal intermediaries to buy four tactical nuclear weapons and enriched uranium from Kazakhstan. According to this account, Iranian technicians were unable to disarm the passive locks on these weapons. So it bought two additional tactical nuclear warheads directly from Russia, which were shipped to the Lavizan military base outside Teheran.
6) Iran has also tested the Shahab-3 medium-range ballistic missile and is developing other missiles that could become intercontinental merely by adding a solid-fueled stage. These ballistic missiles, which lack pinpoint accuracy, would only be useful for carrying nuclear warheads. According to the Rumsfeld Commission in 1998 "The ballistic missile infrastructure in Iran is now more sophisticated than that of North Korea, and has benefited from broad, essential, long-term assistance from Russia.
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To Destroy Iran's Nuclear Bomb Program,350 Targets Must Be Hit
Sources close to the Bush administration have warned that Tony Blair will have to choose between the EU's pursuit of the diplomatic track and a more hardline approach from the White House on Iran.
It is my understanding that.......................
Seen from Washington it means that Iran is a hostile, terror-sponsoring state, meddling in Iraq and on the verge of acquiring weapons with which it could target Tel Aviv (or any where else in range).
The European view, has sought to negotiate a uranium enrichment freeze rather than confront Tehran. Iran, seen from the European point, is a more complex situation, because of its culture and recent history, it sees itself as a player on the world stage and its endless foot-dragging over nuclear inspections, seen in this light, is inward looking, defensive and as much about pride as hostile intentions.
It is my opinion that Blair will stick with the White House approach. Blair has shown complete solidarity with Bush and will not change on an issue that requires,in my opinion, even more solidarity.
I believe that war will deffinatly go ahead in Iran and it is another brick in the wall for new world order.
Peace
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To Destroy Iran's Nuclear Bomb Program,350 Targets Must Be Hit
How about an "Iran is falsely being built up to be a threat as a pretext to invade for covert motives just as was the case with Iraq" choice for that poll? Or "that article is a blatant piece of propaganda being used to manipulate misguided minds and further the government's agenda"?
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To Destroy Iran's Nuclear Bomb Program,350 Targets Must Be Hit
that would be my choice as well m and m.
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To Destroy Iran's Nuclear Bomb Program,350 Targets Must Be Hit
Sounds like a good choice to me
Peace
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To Destroy Iran's Nuclear Bomb Program,350 Targets Must Be Hit
And its perfectly fine that AMERICA has the majority of these WMD in their back yard but hey...do you see any weapons inspectors in America...NOOOOOOO, coz we all know that they will never ever use them....
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To Destroy Iran's Nuclear Bomb Program,350 Targets Must Be Hit
Why would America need WMD's?
Order out of Chaos is the theory.................
You do the Math
Peace
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To Destroy Iran's Nuclear Bomb Program,350 Targets Must Be Hit
what about the WMD's in nam that where put in in the 1960's and we still control
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To Destroy Iran's Nuclear Bomb Program,350 Targets Must Be Hit
350 targets...thats all?
Im sure we have 350 gps guided bunker busters
probably take about 15 minutes...no more iran nuclear bomb worries for 10 -20 years
Or we can HOPE that these REASONABLE people wont develop one
and HOPE thata major western city isnt vaporized by some crazed mullah
i vote for the sure thing
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To Destroy Iran's Nuclear Bomb Program,350 Targets Must Be Hit
do you think that we can actually afford to do that? 1 false war is enough.
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To Destroy Iran's Nuclear Bomb Program,350 Targets Must Be Hit
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Originally Posted by BayBoat
350 targets...thats all?
Im sure we have 350 gps guided bunker busters
probably take about 15 minutes...no more iran nuclear bomb worries for 10 -20 years
Or we can HOPE that these REASONABLE people wont develop one
and HOPE thata major western city isnt vaporized by some crazed mullah
i vote for the sure thing
how about just nuking america, the most evil nation on earth, and the source of most of the worlds problems?
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To Destroy Iran's Nuclear Bomb Program,350 Targets Must Be Hit
Oh cracky, if only everyone thought like you...then we would have world peace and children from all different cultures joining hands and singing "kumbaya"
~007~
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To Destroy Iran's Nuclear Bomb Program,350 Targets Must Be Hit
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Oh cracky, if only everyone thought like you...then we would have world peace and children from all different cultures joining hands and singing "kumbaya
You cant join amerikkka, they would cut off your welfare and make you work
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To Destroy Iran's Nuclear Bomb Program,350 Targets Must Be Hit
I don't see why you're against America, cracky. Your definition of work seems to always be "grow maryjuana", which doesn't make sense. Without the States imposing their drug prohibition laws on Canada and abroad, there would be no need for "hard-working" maryjuana growers. The States are keeping you in business my friend.
BTW: growing maryjuana isn't work. It's a hobby, and it's not the hardest thing in the world to do. Maryjuana was grown around the fallout site of Chernobyl so that the plants could absorb some of the radioactive waste...if pot can grow there, it can grow pretty much anywhere else.
~007~
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To Destroy Iran's Nuclear Bomb Program,350 Targets Must Be Hit
I don't see why you're against America, cracky. Your definition of work seems to always be "grow maryjuana", which doesn't make sense
My def of work is anything that gets you paid, not including welfare or panhandling, the maritimers def of work.
Without the States imposing their drug prohibition laws on Canada and abroad, there would be no need for "hard-working" maryjuana growers. The States are keeping you in business my friend.
Growing MJ isnt my business. My day job is my bidness, growing MJ is for me to smoke. Do you comprehend this? I smoke everything i grow, i never said MJ for profit. In fact i have said more than once to you i have legit day job
BTW: growing maryjuana isn't work. It's a hobby, and it's not the hardest thing in the world to do
Then you should do it, instead of being a lazy maritimer.
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To Destroy Iran's Nuclear Bomb Program,350 Targets Must Be Hit
our troops are being stretched to thin iraq afganistan 30000 still on korean border, theres not enough american troops, do you think iran will just let us blow the weapons sites up? We need to rely on the EU and UN as well as economic threats, its been a while since america put an embarrgo on a country on all the imports from all over the world.
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To Destroy Iran's Nuclear Bomb Program,350 Targets Must Be Hit
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Originally Posted by juggalo420
our troops are being stretched to thin iraq afganistan 30000 still on korean border, theres not enough american troops, do you think iran will just let us blow the weapons sites up? We need to rely on the EU and UN as well as economic threats, its been a while since america put an embarrgo on a country on all the imports from all over the world.
Howdy juggalo420,
The mullahs of Iran,ain't gonna be very happy,if we start blowing things up-the alternative,letting them have a nuke,is far worse..as they are itching to use a nuke,on Israel.
How do you feel about Israel ? Do you think that Iran should nuke them ?
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To Destroy Iran's Nuclear Bomb Program,350 Targets Must Be Hit
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Originally Posted by Torog
Howdy juggalo420,
The mullahs of Iran,ain't gonna be very happy,if we start blowing things up-the alternative,letting them have a nuke,is far worse..as they are itching to use a nuke,on Israel.
How do you feel about Israel ? Do you think that Iran should nuke them ?
I think israel can take care of themselves, they have nukes themselves so thats a good deterent against iran nuking them. By the way im not against bombing iran cause it'll make the mullahs mad im against it cause it wont be that simple, Iran actually has a army and may still have chemical weapons left over from the iran-iraq war in the 80s, iran also borders both iraq and afganistan so are you willing to risking them using chemical weapons against our troops in those countrys. Even best case scenerio they dont use chemical weapons, guarentened theyll invade iraq, do you think our army can defeat the iranian army(which wouldnt be a pushover like iraqs former army) as well as the iraqi insurgents. America cant afford starting a world war.
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To Destroy Iran's Nuclear Bomb Program,350 Targets Must Be Hit
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Originally Posted by juggalo420
I think israel can take care of themselves, they have nukes themselves so thats a good deterent against iran nuking them. By the way im not against bombing iran cause it'll make the mullahs mad im against it cause it wont be that simple, Iran actually has a army and may still have chemical weapons left over from the iran-iraq war in the 80s, iran also borders both iraq and afganistan so are you willing to risking them using chemical weapons against our troops in those countrys. Even best case scenerio they dont use chemical weapons, guarentened theyll invade iraq, do you think our army can defeat the iranian army(which wouldnt be a pushover like iraqs former army) as well as the iraqi insurgents. America cant afford starting a world war.
Howdy juggalo420,
Bush has already stated for the record,that we will use every weapon in our arsenal,if attacked with wmd's-we will respond in kind. If Iran uses chemical weapons or any other wmd against US troops,we will probably respond with tactical nukes. America,has enough air assets in the region,and on stand-by,that we would be able to hold our own-just fine.
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To Destroy Iran's Nuclear Bomb Program,350 Targets Must Be Hit
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Originally Posted by Torog
Howdy juggalo420,
Bush has already stated for the record,that we will use every weapon in our arsenal,if attacked with wmd's-we will respond in kind. If Iran uses chemical weapons or any other wmd against US troops,we will probably respond with tactical nukes. America,has enough air assets in the region,and on stand-by,that we would be able to hold our own-just fine.
i have no doubt we would use nukes in responce to a wmd attack against our troops, but that doesnt make me feel better nor would the thousands of us troops who would die as a result of a chemical attack feel any better, not to mention the innocent iranians who would die due to our response. I think if we do attack iran it should be the last option, we should threaten the use of force in order to be sure they dont develope nuclear weapons, but we need a intenational force, think about it there about 120000 troops needed to secure iraq we would need at least equal amounts to secure iran, i dont think we have such amounts at our finger tips.
happy holidays
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To Destroy Iran's Nuclear Bomb Program,350 Targets Must Be Hit
the way douche Bush is going, another world war is very likely. Bush must want to go in the Guiness World Records as the worst American President in HISTORY, cause hes certainly doing a good job at it! He seriously cant do anything rite, yet americans, only, still support him. whether its stupidity or ignorance, these people must realize that George Bush must be impeached! Otherwise, all americans will pay the price.
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To Destroy Iran's Nuclear Bomb Program,350 Targets Must Be Hit
we dont need 12000 troops....just blow the hell out of anything that could advance their nuke capability...
say "hey, we gave you a chance to play ball mullah..well if you want to play..lets play"
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To Destroy Iran's Nuclear Bomb Program,350 Targets Must Be Hit
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Originally Posted by sensiskunk
the way douche Bush is going, another world war is very likely. Bush must want to go in the Guiness World Records as the worst American President in HISTORY, cause hes certainly doing a good job at it! He seriously cant do anything rite, yet americans, only, still support him. whether its stupidity or ignorance, these people must realize that George Bush must be impeached! Otherwise, all americans will pay the price.
Do yourself a favor and don't try inserting your ignorance into an intelligent discussion. Since you have apparently been asleep for the past 3 1/2 years, you should be informed that there are some people out there who want to kill you. Not for any other reason than that you don't believe as they think you should. WWIII has already started. Not on 9/11/01, but long before. Not by Bush, or even America, but by Islamic fascists who think that there is only enough room on this planet for muslim hardliners like themselves. They have given a good religion a bad name. Try reading "Two faces of Islam" by Stephen Schwartz. You may learn something and then have something to contribute to this thread.
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To Destroy Iran's Nuclear Bomb Program,350 Targets Must Be Hit
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Originally Posted by Conservatoker
Do yourself a favor and don't try inserting your ignorance into an intelligent discussion. Since you have apparently been asleep for the past 3 1/2 years, you should be informed that there are some people out there who want to kill you. Not for any other reason than that you don't believe as they think you should. WWIII has already started. Not on 9/11/01, but long before. Not by Bush, or even America, but by Islamic fascists who think that there is only enough room on this planet for muslim hardliners like themselves. They have given a good religion a bad name. Try reading "Two faces of Islam" by Stephen Schwartz. You may learn something and then have something to contribute to this thread.
Howdy Conservatoker,
Yeeehhhaaawww !!! Git em ! I agree with what you say...WW3 began with the rise of the muslim horde,once again,Islam threatens to overwhelm the Free World..and if it takes a Second Crusade..so be it. As things stand today-I wouldn't trust any muslim..given that the Koran instructs all muslims to lie and decieve infidels,until the moment to slay them arrives..how can any muslim be trusted ?
Have a good one...Torog
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To Destroy Iran's Nuclear Bomb Program,350 Targets Must Be Hit
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Originally Posted by Torog
Howdy Conservatoker,
Yeeehhhaaawww !!! Git em ! I agree with what you say...WW3 began with the rise of the muslim horde,once again,Islam threatens to overwhelm the Free World..and if it takes a Second Crusade..so be it. As things stand today-I wouldn't trust any muslim..given that the Koran instructs all muslims to lie and decieve infidels,until the moment to slay them arrives..how can any muslim be trusted ?
Have a good one...Torog
well im not a musslim but i do know about the koran, do you know in the koran it says to respect and tolerate both christians and jews, whom they call the people of the book. what you said is a bunch of racist bullshit, just because some musslims are crazy fanatics, so are some christians look at timothy mcveigh. If you say usama bin ladin is a typical musslim, i could easily say adolf hitler is a typical christian, which would be ignorant and a lie.
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To Destroy Iran's Nuclear Bomb Program,350 Targets Must Be Hit
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Originally Posted by Conservatoker
Do yourself a favor and don't try inserting your ignorance into an intelligent discussion. Since you have apparently been asleep for the past 3 1/2 years, you should be informed that there are some people out there who want to kill you. Not for any other reason than that you don't believe as they think you should. WWIII has already started. Not on 9/11/01, but long before. Not by Bush, or even America, but by Islamic fascists who think that there is only enough room on this planet for muslim hardliners like themselves. They have given a good religion a bad name. Try reading "Two faces of Islam" by Stephen Schwartz. You may learn something and then have something to contribute to this thread.
Religion has always been an outlet for those who couldnt understand the complexity of science, I myself believe that ALL religion is BS, especially chritianity, and muslim extremists. Both religions base there lives on what some morons tell them to do. Torog, especially, is a good example of what christianity does to a helpless mind, not only can he not think for himself, he believes all the BS propoganda that the religion feeds him. Religion has brought this world to an extent beyond reason, just imagine how much better the world would be without religion. I could careless what Stephen Shwartz has to say, he just wants to make a quick buck by making dum ass americans hate islams even more, which is also bs. I do believe, however, that if America never interacted with Iraq, none of this shit would be happening, and George Bush sr. was the initial person who started shit with iraq in the first place. I have read about the islamic religion, and its pretty scary shit. But what can iraq really do to the most powerful nation in the world with no nuclear weapons? ummm, not a dam thing. Canada is a great example, they never started shit with anyone, and no one starts shit with them, cause they dont give a fuck what some islams believe. what you said conservatoker was very biased, and i disagree completely, america DID start this war. do u really think that 9/11 would have happened if America never interacted with iraq? cause if u do, you eat propaganda bs for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Torog, your a racist bastard, you couldnt think for yourself if your life depended on it, go ahead, believe what Bush has to say, cause im aware of what really goes on. Stephen Hawkins should be President, at least he has an IQ that exceeds 100, unlike Torog, George Bush, and George w bush.
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To Destroy Iran's Nuclear Bomb Program,350 Targets Must Be Hit
Bush is the biggest threat to world peace since Hitler dragged on his jackboots, in fact Bush and his family have a lot more on their concience than just what's happening in the middle east.
http://www.btinternet.com/~nlpwessex...projecthtm.htm
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/archivebushclan.html
http://news4florida.tripod.com/index1.html
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To Destroy Iran's Nuclear Bomb Program,350 Targets Must Be Hit
I was hella stoned last nite and i started thinking about 9/11, and all the events leading up to the tragedy. George W has always wanted to go to Iraq to finish what his dad couldnt, but he never had a legit reason to go, besides oil, and he knew congress wouldnt give him an army just for oil. So when Al Qaeda started making threats that they were going to hi-jack some airplanes and go to the white house and new york, George Bush played cool and didnt say shit. But what if he knew that by ignoring the threats of the Al Queda that they would surely attack, then he would have a reason to go to Iraq. He also knew that he couldnt get full control over the oil if Saddam was still in power, so what does he do, he blames 9/11 on Saddam. What if this is one big scandal, just so the Bush family could start being successful in the oil business, and start making some real money? Why didnt George W take the initial threat seriously and have full security at the airports, would it have really made a difference? Why did George Bush, and his family, stay away from the White House when Al Qaeda started making threats, and if he knew that Osama Bin Laden was an international terrorist, why did he conduct business with his family? Everything leads to oil, and oil leads to A LOT of money, something George W Bush could never do by himself. And whats the first thing America took control of after the fall of Saddam, all of the oil fields, some of those being linked directly to George Bush. George W Bush is practicing fascism at this very moment, by combining state(America) and business(OIL), that is the exact definition of fascism, he is using American Forces for his personal benefits, catch my drift? I think the smartest man in the world, stephen hawking, should run for president, he would benefit the world, not just America.
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To Destroy Iran's Nuclear Bomb Program,350 Targets Must Be Hit
Nice try Sensiskunk.
Your response has prooved nothing except that you yourself have fallen prey to propaganda. I have spent much of my time researching to come to the conclusions I have, not just a couple of hours in front of a Michael Moore film.
If Iraq is all about oil, Why the spike in gas prices? Why are the oil companies profits declining at a record pace? Take a look around you slick. There is a whole lot you need that oil for anyway. How do you think the food gets to your grocery stores and restaraunts? How do you think your clothes, CDs, video games, mail, and whatever else you are into and depend on for your very survival gets delivered? Though it may not be the cleanest, the internal cumbustion engine is still the most reliable, efficient and effective mode of transport we have, and until somebody comes up with something better, we are stuck with it. Without that "evil" oil, our economy collapses. That may not mean anything to you, but those of us with common sense recognise that it is what separates us from third world countries. Without a strong economy, or any for that matter, we become Sierra Leone. That is not what I, for one, want for the future of my children.
Had you taken the time to research the book I informed you of, you would know that it is not just about bashing the muslim religion. In fact the author supports the true muslims and points out the difference between them and the fanatic nutcases who want us, and you, dead. It has nothing to do with anything America has ever done to them as the propagandist media has brainwashed you to believe. It all boils down to a dilusion they have that anyone who does not worship as they do does not deserve to live. Victor Mordecai has an entire website and a years worth of newsletters devoted to the subject. He is somewhat of an authority on the subject as he has spent the last 20 years (probably more than you have been alive) studying Wahabi Islam. These are the guys who want to slice your head off. His newsletter can be viewed for free @ http://www.vicmord.com/ Kinda spoils your "make a quick buck" theory.
Now to educate you my young friend. First off, you are way off in your definition of fascism. It means to exalt nation and/or race above the individual. It stands for centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader (impossible with our system of checks and balances, not to mention many Bush hating Democrats in the Senate and Congress), severe economic and social regimentation (impossible in a free market society), and forcible suppression of opposition (show me the proof). This according to Webster's. Sadaam's Iraq is a good example of a fascist state.
Second, you are probably too young to know that the reason we went to Iraq the first time is because he invaded a helpless country. That is not something that any nation with even a slight concience could allow. In fact, we were backed by the UN and several dozen other nations in that skirmish (including Canada). If you are really that in the dark as to why we are there now, see these links:www.husseinandterror.com
http://www.freespeech.com/archives/000927.html http://www.iraqwatch.org/
Lastly, as for your disdain for God and religion, I am afraid you are too far gone for me to help you there. I can only leave you with this, if I am wrong, no big deal. I will die someday to no consequence. If you are wrong, well, you can try explaining to God your hate for him. Good luck with all that.
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To Destroy Iran's Nuclear Bomb Program,350 Targets Must Be Hit
I think you will find that war can be a very lucrative business.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3231345.stm
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To Destroy Iran's Nuclear Bomb Program,350 Targets Must Be Hit
Halliburton has been invilved in every rebuilding effort dating back to Viet Nam. They consistantly win bids for this type of work simply due to the fact that they are one of only three companies worldwide who do much of what they do, the only company who does all of what they do. Even Clinton awarded bids to Halliburton for rebuilding contracts in Bosnia. Of course, this little tidbit of information will never be included in a major media operation's report as it would take some of the heat off Bush. Notice how everytime Halliburton is mentioned by the media it is followed by the mention of Dick Cheney. Everyone knows by now that he was formerly head of the company, but the media feels it necessary to drive this point home.
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To Destroy Iran's Nuclear Bomb Program,350 Targets Must Be Hit
"First off, you are way off in your definition of fascism. It means to exalt nation and/or race above the individual." I guess my 2004 encyclopedia isnt quite "up to date" with your defintion of fascism!
"If Iraq is all about oil, Why the spike in gas prices? Why are the oil companies profits declining at a record pace?" I dont know, maybe because the oil tycoons want to make more money, or maybe because petroleum is scarce. If i was George Bush id tell you, but then again, id probably lie!
I never said anything relating to the fact that Americas economy would collapse if oil was gone, and im sure it would. the only reason i dont like oil is because its destroying our environment, and George Bush isnt doing shit to help it. Not only is he the worst president in history, he is the cause of this horrible environment, just because hes NOT doing anything to help it. If nothing is done, think about what YOUR kids are gonna have to breath and drink in 20 years. The only reason why the combustion engine is so reliable is becaue it manufactures millions of cars, trucks, semis, buses etc.... If hydrogen cars were given a chance to excel, it could save alot of money, and the environment. But since George Bush makes his living off of oil, theres no way in hell thats ever gonna happen in America.
What do u think will happen to the environment in 10 years if nothing is done now?
Some experts are even saying that petroleum will be gone in the next 10 years as well, so what then?
"Second, you are probably too young to know that the reason we went to Iraq the first time is because he invaded a helpless country." I am only 18, so your assumption was correct, but what about the holocaust? why didnt America intervene when Hitler was killing MILLIONS of innocent people, although that was during the depression. and when America finally did get involved after Pearl Harbor, it saved Americas economy because of the mass production of arms. so you cant sit there and tell me that George Bush, and George W werent thinking about that oil when they invaded Iraq, c'mon now.
As for God and Religion, I dont believe in that, some of the bible isnt even translated correctly. However, i do believe in fate and karma, which are pretty much the same thing, in my opinion.
Another thing, Why is it that Republicans attack those who disagree with them, and why do they ALWAYS use scare tactics to get people to support them? is it only the american mind that falls for such lame propaganda?
And next time, dont insult my intelligence, because my IQ and PSAT scores were extremely high compared to that of George Bush and the avg american. sometimes people are given false information, theres nothing i can do except find the truth, which is almost impossible to find now. I know and you know that your not 100% correct.
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To Destroy Iran's Nuclear Bomb Program,350 Targets Must Be Hit
My definition of fascism comes directly from Webster's collegiate dictionary, but I digress.
Don't get me started on the environment. We have been told for the last 40 years now how we "evil" Americans are destroying it. Yet, today's air and water are cleaner than they were then. If you want to talk about fear mongering, nobody does it better than the environmental crowd. Are you aware that in 1976 we were all being warned of the impending ice age? http://www.junkscience.com will provide you with all the scientific evidence necessary to dispell the myths about environmental issues, if you take the time to study it. I have always been amazed at the arrogance displayed by those who think we are powerful enough to destroy mother earth. She could eat us all alive. When Mt. Pinitubo erupted, close to 1000 times the toxins we are told cause global warming were released than man has created in our history. The earth's own forces are more damaging than we could ever hope to be.
I don't disagree with you that the combustion engine is a filthy beast. My point is that all other technologies have a way to go before they can become suitable replacements. Even when that happens, it will take a while to get everyone up to speed. I don't know about you, but I don't have an extra $15-$20 grand in the bank right now for a brand new hydrogen car. Reality dictates that the gas engine is with us for at least another 20 years.
I don't quite understand this bitter hatred of Bush that is so consistent from the left, though I don't hold it against you. I, myself have many problems with his policies, on immigration and entitlement issues to name a few. But to blame this one president for all of the evildoings in the world is quite naive. I stand by my earlier comments on Iraq and his entire foreign policy agenda. One more suggested reading would be the US Constitution. It explains how the president's primary responsibility is to protect the US, its citizens and its sovereignty. I am not saying that oil isn't a factor. Someday, when Iraq is rebuilt and the pumps are flowing freely, yes, a western friendly oil rich country will be a great benefit to all of us. The other huge benefactor will be the Iraqi people who have just been released from 35 years of unadulterated hell. More power to them, I say.
Truth of the matter is, unfortunately we will not see the many positives that will come from our actions in Iraq for many years. I still believe that it was the right thing to do, as do 93% of those who are serving there on the ground
and they should know.
By the way, I didn't mean to insult your intelligence, hope I didn't hurt your feelings. I, too, have an extremely high IQ but more importantly was blessed with an overwhelming abundance of common sense. The combination has me with a track record of being right 99.2% of the time, so I am close.
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By the way, I didn't mean to insult your intelligence, hope I didn't hurt your feelings. I, too, have an extremely high IQ but more importantly was blessed with an overwhelming abundance of common sense. The combination has me with a track record of being right 99.2% of the time, so I am close.
Nothing wrong with blowing ones own trumpet but a belief that you are never wrong could be construed as an ignorance of your own limitations.
I have a feeling that someone lives in fantasy world where they see themselves as some sort of oracle or holder of supreme truths.
Modesty is obviously a foreign concept to you??
Ever heard the saying "Pride goes before a fall! ?
Arrogance teamed with ignorance make you believe you are right perhaps.
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Nothing wrong with blowing ones own trumpet but a belief that you are never wrong could be construed as an ignorance of your own limitations.
I have a feeling that someone lives in fantasy world where they see themselves as some sort of oracle or holder of supreme truths.
Modesty is obviously a foreign concept to you??
Ever heard the saying "Pride goes before a fall! ?
Arrogance teamed with ignorance make you believe you are right perhaps.
That was just a bit of sarcasm. You don't have to be so serious 100% of the time. 99.2% of the time is sufficient.
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I'm all for a strong Military, but this pre-emptive vullshit is about as UnAmerican as it gets... Arn't we innocent until proven guilty? Does our individual philosophies not recosile with National philosophies?
Don't get me wrong, somebody attacts us, we should crush them like an ant, but instead of spenmding mutliple billions of dollars going on the offensive, and having troops stationed around the world, why don't we station those troops on the Mexico/US bored, and other major immagration points? THen we can divert all that 'defence' (war) funding to true defence funding, get GW's SDI working good.
And as far as all this terrorism goes, if our Constitution wouldn't have been butched continuously for the last 60 years, maybe it would be a problem. After all, if every Tom Dick and Sally could protect themselves (as Constitutional garunteed), what chance would terrorists have? I know I won't hesitate if I am put into that situation after I get my CCW...
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America is contributing to some of the worlds pollution, but dont get me wrong, China has 2 billion people, along with India, and im sure they add a majority of the pollution. Still, America launches the most rockets, that of which emits terrible gases that will eventually destroy the environment.
take a look...http://www.freedrinkingwater.com/wat...erchlorate.htm
Weather is also making dramatic changes, every state has broken some kind of record for being too hot, or too cold. Im not sure if its the increased greenhouse effect, or if the environment itself is changing.
Hydrogen cars mark a new era, but I know thats not gonna happen in Corporate America, too many RICH people would lose money, so obviously theyll do anything to stop the hydrogen cars from expanding. Also, Japan has just made a Hydrogen car that drove around the whole country on water, and nothing else. They would expand the rate of hydrogen cars distributed, but they dont have the proper funds to do so, and no one seems to care.
Its not like i HATE bush, i just want a president that isnt illiterate, he makes americans look dumb just because he is. That was a good point by Buck268, if we controlled who came into America, how could anyone attack us internally?
Mother Earth is far more powerful than any weapon, except the neutron bomb. But still, Humans in general are filthy, and the earth cant stay clean forever.
I know the environmentalist crowd tries to scare people, but they dont make public commercials using scare tactics such as the Republican Party did relentlessly this past election, whom spent a record amount of money doing so. Republicans are always negative and only care about themselves, at least from every republican ive ever talked to and seen.
Dont worry, you didnt offend me, even though it seemed like you wanted to.
One more question, if you are indeed a fellow cannabis smoker, how can you support a man that contributes billions of dollars to the anti-drug war, when he himself was a cokehead for a duration of his life? Also, George W never even fought for this country, sure he was in the national guard, but thats just because he was a pussy, and had his dad pull some strings. He doesnt have any awards, medals etc... Even on his Military report, he marked he WOULDNT volunteer to go to vietnam. While John Kerry did volunteer, he ended up being a huge war veteran with numerous medals and awards, and still he had the decency to give some of his awards away to soldiers he believed deserved them.
I think your percentage of being correct is somewhere around 92.4%, lol, but still some issues that arent precise. Every American is somewhat ignorant, so i dont hold that against you. But some people take ignorance to a level beyond stupidity, especially those who believe that George W is a better president that Bill Clinton was.
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I don't have the time to proove to you all of the reasons how and why the Clinton presidency was a total disaster, but I could if I had to. I don't hate the man though, and took no pleasure in the news of his recent health issues.
As to your perception of Republicans, they are misconceptions and that would also take me several pages to point out. What I find interesting though is how Democrats are always complaining that Republicans are trying to scare people when it is them who hoodwink voters every election cycle with threats of lost Soc. Security, civil liberties, voter suppression and destruction of the environment and the world as we know it if Republicans are elected. None of these things have ever come to fruition, yet rest assured they will again be used to frighten voters in '06.
As far as my cannibis smoking is concerned, I told you that I was not a big fan of Bush's domestic agenda and that is yet another issue which I disagree with him on. That however, is not exclusive to him. If there is a politician in this country that supports legalization, I have yet to find him. Far more important to me are matters of national security, the only issue we have discussed here that is constitutionally the president's responsibility.
When you were born, I was your age. Believe it or not, I also thought much the way you do. 18 years ago, you and I would probably be in agreeance on most of what we have discussed. As I grew older though, I started to understand what it really is that makes this country great and sets us apart from the rest of the world. My father grew up in Sweden and experienced socialism first hand for much of his life. It was his wisdom which made me realize how the freedoms we enjoy here come from the right to self-governance which is directly enabled by our taking responsibilities for our own life and family, without looking to government for assistance, preservation or state of well being. After my kids were born, it all became perfectly clear to me as it may someday for you, and if that doesn't scare you, nothing will, lol.
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IMy father grew up in Sweden and experienced socialism first hand for much of his life. It was his wisdom which made me realize how the freedoms we enjoy here come from the right to self-governance which is directly enabled by our taking responsibilities for our own life and family, without looking to government for assistance, preservation or state of well being. After my kids were born, it all became perfectly clear to me as it may someday for you, and if that doesn't scare you, nothing will, lol.
wow what garbage. U hate poor people and blame them for it. I have the right to a free university education, and old fat white fuckers owe it ot me. Thats right you owe me. By virtue of the fact i was born.Thats right you owe me. You didnt get where you are by hard work, you got there on the backs of poor non whites. You are a capitalist slave master.
Why are you americans so ignorant?