do people out there actually believe that the 9/11 attacks were setup by the US governemnt... like that they blew up the pentagon with missles and all?
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do people out there actually believe that the 9/11 attacks were setup by the US governemnt... like that they blew up the pentagon with missles and all?
On the one hand, George W. Bush is supposed to be so incredibly stupid that he can't even put together a coherent sentence.
On the other hand, George W. Bush is supposed to be such a genius that he pulled off the most intricate and complex hoax of all time by making us all believe Bin Laden destroyed the WTC.
Now you tell me... George W. Bush... incoherent moron or criminal mastermind?
i believe they're not telling us alot of it... but them actually set up the missile strike? no...
These topics usually get nuked or moved at minimum... I just pray for the families involved in that mess...
possibly
who really knows?
best wait until GS comes on
exactly!!! i was talking to some people about it the other day... they were talking about how stupid he is yet they believe managed to pull off the most ellaborate scheme of US history! hahaha... stupid
Ditto. I used to believe in them.. Then I grew some common sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho
last night i was thinking about this
i bet they knew about shit and either let it happen
or encouraged it cuz they scored on iraq's oil
the war on terror is nothing but a jack move
What exactly has the U.S. gotten from Iraq? We've spent billions of dollars on that war and we continue to spend billions more. I fail to see the profit.Quote:
Originally Posted by friendowl
I just thought of KingKongBong for some reason,,,anyone see him lately???
you fail to see th eprofit because that is how they want it
i bet the oil companies buy oil from iraq and re sell it to the us for
a huge turn over. when gas prices go up who do you think profits
bush and oil go together like kush and my lungs
You forget Bush Jr is the man who also bankrupted two oil companies his father gave him.
what if georges other brother runs for pres.
zeb bush i think is his name
keep it in the family
i can tell you that george bush is a puppetQuote:
Originally Posted by CityBoyGoneCountry
i can tell you that US Gov't IN GENERAL did have some part in the 9/11,
was it georgie? no, he is dumb, and the American People are dumber if they say it was solely him.
THE TRUE REASON THAT 9/11 IS STILL THOUGHT OF AS A "TERRORIST" ACT BY AMERICANS IS BECAUSE THEY ARE TOO FUCKING LAZY (OR JUST DON'T CARE) TO DO THE HOURS OF RESEARCH NEEDED TO DETERMINE IF THE 9/11 COMMISSION REPORT WAS BOGUS.
HEY, SOME PPL LIKE BEING SLAVES
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Originally Posted by xblackdogx
Or its because of nut jobs who turn away those who might want to look into it. You can TYPE IN CAPS ALL YOU WANT IT TO TRY AND SCARE PEOPLE. These are the same people who tell you not to listen to our government lies yet can be so easily persuaded to think everything is a conspiracy. blah blah blah.. X-files said it was true so it must be!
Oil eh....todate the US/US Companies have received no money whatsoever from Iraqi Oil Profits, so that argument is out the window.Quote:
Originally Posted by friendowl
just because they didn't end up getting money out of it, doesn't mean that wasn't the original intention behind it all, ya know? i mean, things don't always go according to plan, and with something on this large of a scale, there's literally millions of things that could go wrong with 'the plan'.... not saying that's nessicarily even a part of it all, just simply saying, that just because it didn't end up working out that way, that that wasn't the original intent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myth1184
there is a lot of lined pockets...Quote:
Originally Posted by Myth1184
Oh who knows? I think this is as likely as the hallocaust being a Jewish Media conspiracy to get back Israel.
Both silly. Have respect for the dead everybody.
1)i don't even know what you're trying to get acrossQuote:
Originally Posted by Zimzum
2)if YOU have a problem with me typing in CAPS when saying they believe the government because they won't look into the FACTS is me trying to "scare people", then that's still you're problem, not mine.
3)and It wasn't George's Dad who helped Jr. with his oil companies (which he bankrupt..) it was his Saudi Arabian friends!!! The truth is out there, go fucking find it!
anyone who ISNT or DOESNT WANT TO look for the truth is a slave to the creators of money!
So called nut-jobs have not detered a real investigation .... that's how parts of the government became suspect. There is plenty of information on line and this site that points to parts of the government being involved. What information to you have besides the bogus commission report ...... were the illegitimate bush and cheney never had to testify under oath ..... that the government was not involved?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zimzum
So show us information that clears the government.
:noel:
good point!Quote:
Originally Posted by GrowRebel
and zimzum,
the BIGGEST "nut jobs" according to you are the VICTIM'S FAMILIES!! THEY are the ones demanding a real investigation, do you have no respect for the people who ACTUALLY SUFFERED on 9/11?
If so much evidence exist why not take it to court and go through the legal system? World court perhaps? Instead you insist every new law, every mishap, every anomaly is some how evil doings. To anyone who questions your theories you call "slaves" or "Amerikans". Insulting the American people will win you no points for your cause. Any proof the government could give would always be questioned by you and passed off as fake/altered.
Anti-government anger spurs 9-11 conspiracy belief
and
Disturbing trend of 9/11 skeptics
:D What exactly has the U.S. gotten from Iraq? We've spent billions of dollars on that war and we continue to spend billions more. I fail to see the profit. Uh, What about Haliburton and all the subsideraries of Haliburton that are getting billions of our tax money, eh? Why do you think the French and Germans wouldn't play, silly, Bush wouldn't let them in on any of the war contracts. This is a "For Profit War" and don't you forget it!!:pimp:
It doesn't have to be me taking them to court. The 9/11 families HAVE pursued this legally, and have been BLOCKED! Why would they allow me to prove it and not them? If i was trying to insult Americans then I wouldn't bring out MY POINT OF VIEW. the poeple truly insulting you are the ones that keep dangling false satisfactions in your face, so that you don't see the TRUTH! (ie: the fucking corporations)Quote:
Originally Posted by Zimzum
and i have read all the documents and statements the gov't put out, and looked at them WITHOUT a bias. MY conclusion is the same, because they KEEP HIDING the truth. MY guess is that you believe the 5 frame footage of the PENTAGON is sufficient evidence. Well if you think sherlock holmes (or anyone w/ a brain) would have been okay with that evidence you're DEAD wrong.
as for your links:
I don't read anything that comes from the Mainstream News. B/C of the people that control them. Watch some real news, it can be found on a channel called FreeSpeech TV, they give an unbiased look into today's issue, and HAVE REPEATEDLY showed 9/11 Truth Programs.
you know, coming from an un-biased 'side' your 'big talk' (whether it be typing in all caps, or using larger text) does the exact opposite of what you're going for... it only makes someone want to credit you less, because only idiots and imbecils yell and scream in the middle of a debate, which is what the larger text insinuates.... just to let you know... as for those sites you easily dismiss, it's kinda funny, you claim to be someone who looks at everything without bias, yet there you are claiming the big news corporations are controlled by some scandelous-evil government program.... just kinda funny to sit back and watch everyone contradict themselves at every statment...
i dont need anyone to FILTER out information. i look at ORIGINAL documents or reports. Try looking at the 500 page 9/11 Commission Report or testimonies from Condoleeza Rice during the hearings or eye-witness reports. While mainstream media may feel some facts are unimportant, i feel is NECESSARY to figure out what actually happened. Major Networks are in it to MAKE MONEY, just like everyone else, they are trying to please their DEMOGRAPHIC (and it's a demographic that i DON'T fit in).Quote:
Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho
AND, if the corporations aren't controlled by the government, How come they NEVER say the Iraqi Civilians death count is over 1/2 million? is that too unimportant? seems like 1 dead American soldier makes the news, is 1/2 million iraqis equal to 1 american?
and just for shits and giggles:
here is a REPUBLICAN whistleblowing
how the FBI doesn't comply... WHAT DO THEY HAVE TO HIDE!!!
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/GO...bing_1228.html
.... this TRULY proves that once you get down and dirty in the FACTS, republican or democrat, you SPEAK out!
that really has nothing to do with what i said..... calm down with your conspiracy theories for five damn minutes and read the words infront of you.... just FIVE minutes, is that too much to ask? or do you think george bush has his hand up my ass and i'm his puppet telling you what HE wants me to tell you... :rolleyes: your entire reply had not one thing to do with what i just said to you...
The US government at best is Strongly influenced by the will of corporations. I hope no one disagrees. Many corporations have made humongous profit in Iraq. I also hope no one disagrees here.
Was the will of these corporations enough to enable them to pressure the government into war? Maybe, maybe not. Who knows.
An interesting quote,
??when war becomes this profitable, were going to see a lot more of it?
-some important person
I think we should all consider that the we are all probably being distracted as to what the real reason for invading Iraq was. And I hope we all accept that it wasn??t to bring democracy or to remove WMD.
Did anyone on here know that Iraq months b4 the war was planning to switch the currency oil was traded in from USD to Euro??s. This change would largely deflate the American dollars value. The invasion of Iraq stopped this change and was hugely beneficial to America. But did it cause the war, Who fuckin knows.
The commissioners report was a bunch of bull. It was supposto be the most thorough evaluation of 911. Yet they don??t even mention tower 7 which fell. Hmmm that??s odd.
Did anyone else know that Osama Bin L. on the day of and twice since has stated that he was not involved with 911. Then days later he contradicts himself with that video.
Odd again
As well al qaeda has said they would turn Osama over to a third party if the US could prove he did it.
I also believe the pentagon wasn??t hit by a plane and not exclusively because of the picture I attached. But, it is a powerful picture. And the official store that the plane vaporized, leaves a little to be desired.
Anyone who thinks bush is responsible for 911 is as foolish as the people who think Bush makes any decisions. He is a puppet to more intelligent and important people. It??s not crazy to think the US gov would attack their own citizens they??ve done some scary things in the past.
try to focus, i may give you a treat:Quote:
Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho
how is it not LOGICAL for me to DISMISS mainstream media reports when i KNOW they are filtering the information? It is biased to come to the conclusion that the media is no good, but this is AFTER I HAVE DONE THE RESEARCH TO DETERMINE THAT THE MEDIA IS CONTROLLED. so give me some original documents, or at the very least conclusions WITH CITATIONS and i'll look at ANYTHING w/ and unbiased mind ;); if there's facts in the shit someone gives me and it goes on to conclude something COMPLETELY opposite than what i originally believed then I will change my mind!
if you can wrap your mind around that (and take your time), you will see it's not contradictory to dismiss his links.
yeah, dude, you seriously need to pull your conspiracy theory filled head out of your ass, again, your post has nothing to do with mine, you're still trying to make arguments backing up your theories, when i'm not even trying to debate them, in any way, shape or form.... and don't let me mislead you, i have no intention of reading what you have to say.... i don't care about the subject.... the government lies, we all know this... what good does it do to sit there and shoot holes in their reports, or vice versa, them shoot holes in the conspiracy theories? nothing.... it accomplishes nothing.. i have no intent to read or study either way into it, it's over and done with...
great to see another "nut job" on the website.Quote:
Originally Posted by harris7
never knew that iraq was going to switch the currency to EURO's, so that was great info man!
and mate, Iraq has the 2nd largest oil reserves. Iraq's oil reserves have been off limits to the US when Sadaam was in power. Oil leads to the MOST CONTROL because it's limited (that's why they don't want cars running on water, hemp, sugarcane, etc).
also, Iraq had some of the greatest artifacts of the WORLD. The museums were all raided, so many of Mesopotamia's artifacts have been long gone. Hard to imagine no US Soldiers guarded it, or maybe they did for awhile, while Bush's Masters went in and robbed the place. Destroy all historical evidence and bam, history is yours to be written (kind of the reason why we say Egypt was built only 5-6k years ago.)
another reason so America can further advance their weapons technology. We buy millions of weapons every year, and if we're NOT in war they are going unused. We could sell them or test them out (i think the gov't thinks testing the weapons out is more FUN). You prob know how important America's defense system is, and well with continuing war they not only do the above but the amount of money you can receive for weapons during war is unbelievable (fucking 2 bil a week on iraq!), so of course everyone goes out happy, especially corps
hehe, i knew you were dumb, but god-damn!Quote:
Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho
poking holes in THEIR report on the internet is a step to get THINKERS to WAKE UP!, BUT you are completely right to say that this is kind of doing nothing.
anyway, i hope you have a nice life since you now regard me as dead. i have no hope for you, but good luck if you eventually see the THRIVING invisble prison you live in.
lol you just make me laugh.... but yeah, whatever i'm not gonna keep this shit up... getting thinkers to wake up... and then what? like anyone's EVER going to do anything about their fucked up governmental situation, other than continuing to pass on how the government is wrong, and where their errors are? do you actually believe anything is EVER going to come of it all, honestly?Quote:
Originally Posted by xblackdogx
I'm not a firm believer in most of these 9/11 conspiracies that are going around, but to claim that the US is a great nation and had no reason to lie to its people or the world is bs.
The thing is that the governemnt may have had a hand in 9/11, or they may not have. What most people refuse to accept is that this is bascially the opinion of a person because none of us have enough full-proof evidence to proove anything. A lot of people claim that they have special knowledge or claim to see the truth while others turn a blind eye toward the whole thing. On the other hand the other side may have some other claims to call the other side crazy or whatnot. I suppose this is up for debate, but to dismiss the side that claims the gov't had a hand in 9/11 as being false, without much reason more than a "you're crazy", or "you have no respect for the families of those who died", is just ignorant. There are many sources out there that present very influential evidence on this subject. I have seen many documentaries, such as Loose Change, and all I can say is that it raises an eyebrow. I don't know how many people have seen such documentaries, but to all those nay-sayers, who don't believe in these so called "conspiracies" I suggest you check out some of these documentaries, and then go out and try to research somethings ureself b4 u go on calling those that beleive nutjobs.
A really good documentary is "why we fight". It bascially shows how war is making a select few men who are very influential in the governemnt very rich. The truth is that in this war, those companies that are providing all the guns and bombs, to army boots are becoming very rich The Military Industrial Complex is having a very good boom around now. The truth of the matter is that yes, the US is run by a select few corporations, and policy makers are influenced heavy by many of these companies. Many see war as a business, and it is indeed profitable, only when war is happening. In his farewell address, Eisenhower warned about the Military Industrial Complex getting out of hand, and a misplace of power. We are living that reality now. Just because we don't see it so clearly doesn't mean it's not happening.
For all those who people who claim this "conspiracy" is impossible because it was very well pulled off by Bush, and Bush is an idiot, well just because he is president doesn't make him the sole decision maker of this country, far from it actually. For all we know he may just be a puppet in the scheme of things. Once again that is something that we may never know. I'm not claiming there are a group of old white men int black suits pulling Bush's strings, but to claim that he is running most of the show is stupid. If the government did have a big hand in 9/11, I doubt he ran any of it, he probably just sat there idle, getting ready to piss about Iraq when they had that meeting the next day. There are such things as only public figurheads, who may not have much say in whats going on, but may be used as a scapegoat for an entire nation to trash on, or believe in.
i am prety saure the people getting the money from iraq's oil and the ppl investing in the war are different ppl,
(im trying to say the ppl who get oil dont care how much is invested in war... see what i mean?)
And what do you mean show respect to the dead!!?? your the only one bringing up the dead :S Noone was showing disrespect ot anyone exept ythe government which i have nothing against... (what i am saying is questioning the way someone died or whu dunnit? isnt disrespectful.)
i think bush is just some idiot putting on a dumb face for some evil mastermind proffesor genius sitting somewhere deep in his oil mine running the whole of america and its invicnible governemtn....
shit after this post i better pack and fucking leg it...
I always love it when people show pics of how the airplane lined up with the building........here's a link to the physics lesson regarding that:
Real Life with Cartoon Physics
III. Any body passing through solid matter will leave a perforation conforming to its perimeter.
This is one of the more interesting of the cartoon laws. This made me rather puzzeled as to how it would be used in the real world. At first I though about what would happen when a person hit a door. The person would leave a hole which looked excactly like them in the door. I initiall thought of how this could be used for law enforcement. In all banks, all of the doors could be equipted with a mechanizm which would have a button, and after the button is pushed, the door would take 10 to 20 seconds to open. This would make it so that if a person were robbing a bank and running from the poilce, they would have to wait 20 seconds to pass through the doors, while the police could have an access key which would allow the door to quickly open. This way if the person didn't want to wait for the door to open, they would have to run right through it. Thus leaving a 2-D picture of the theif which could be use in co-operation with the survalence cammeras to identify the culprit since you could see if the person fir the silhouette. The next idea would be good for garages since you wouldn't have to worry about the size of the enterance because the garage opening would fit your vehicle exactly.
Have a good one!:jointsmile:
No i don't believe anything will come out of it b/c of the general attitude of Americans. They are caught up in their own lives and can't sit or think still to connect some very important dots. and it's sad. i feel my fellow Americans are being used and if EVERY person gave a LITTLE effort we COULD DO SOMETHING.Quote:
Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho
until then, i will long for better healthcare, a PROPER education system, healthy food, adequate shelter, and clean water-- WHILE OUR CURRENT MASTERS WANT THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE.
maybe i'll visit you in your invisble prison one day, until then: so long!
Are you joking?Quote:
Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
No one expects the plane to leave a silhouette. But it should leave some damage were the wings hit. As well as the two jet engines which weigh 15 tonnes each! That??s a lot of weight going very very fast, it would take a hell of a lot of cement to stop that.
I think the doc. Loose change does a good job of going over it. Everyone should watch it. I??ve watched it and I don??t accept it as truth. But it raises some questions and points out some interesting facts.
BTW I do believe that some powerful people in the US gov were involved. And these people probably aren??t in the public sphere to point fingers at.
Did you know that Rumsfeld told America that the pentagon lost 2.3 trillion dollars the day b4 9/11. Lucky for him the nation forgot the next day, lucky guy.
That??s 8000 per person in the USA.
I don't know if they did it or not but I know one thing. False flag operations have been planned and used before by gov'ts to get what they want. eg Reichstag Fire, Gulf of Tonkin, Operation Northwoods. A tool used to generate public support for aggressive action against a perceived enemy.
Plus the way the buildings collapsed so perfectly, no one can argue that it didn't look like a controlled demolition. I mean, a building fell down perfectly in its own footprint, that wasn't hit by a plane. And so when I saw the video of the firemen saying they heard a series of "pops" immediately before collapse, I couldn't accept there weren't explosives in the buildings.
So, whatever the truth is, we haven't heard it yet. And probably never will.
But we may live long enough to know the truth about JFK. I can't wait. No conspiracies here. Move along.