Has the UFC ruined martial arts movies for you?

It has for me. Not that I'm complaining or anything, just feeling sentimental, I guess.

Once you've seen how a real life martial arts fight plays out, all those kung fu and karate movies just look comical. Every move they make is so elegantly complicated, perfectly timed, and flawlessly executed. Not at all like the UFC.

In the UFC, 99% of the fights go to the ground and end on the ground. And even when they are on their feet, they don't seem to be using any special techniques that you won't see in any drunken street fight. They all have years of training, and most have black belts in at least one, sometimes more than one, martial arts style, but you don't see that on display when they fight. All you see is wild punches and leg kicks. It's never really pretty, and often very sloppy.

And if everyone is using the exact same moves as the next guy, does that mean their own specific style of martial arts is useless? Did they train all those years to earn their black belts by learning moves that will never work? I know there is more to being a black belt than just mounting your opponent and dropping elbows on his face, but that is the prefered style of attack in the UFC. Hell, I can do that. Am I a black belt now too?

It's kinda funny, really. Martial arts has this great mythical aura about it. Everyone seems to believe if you know karate (or whatever style) then you are some kind of bad ass. But when the fighting starts, there's nothing bad ass about it. Just two guys humping each other on the floor of the octagon.:dance:

I've never been into much martial arts movies. I prefer seeing the real thing I guess.

I've seen plenty of good punch for punch fights on UFC. Some of which didn't even make it past the first punch. :p I've seen plenty of knee to faces that end in total K.O, those are my favorite.

I think martial arts also involves spirituality, being in top shape, and being prepared for any threat that comes your way. It's not just about kicking ass, but it's also about self defense and using your skills only when needed.

When you ask me I just believe that theres a difference in practicing martial arts and actually using it when the time comes. Maybe they aren't thinking about the moves they learned, just thinking about winning and not trying to get knocked the fuck out lol.

Ha ha! Yeah man.

The octagon is a scary place and I have seen some pretty big guys unleash their fists of fury. Mike Sylvia is one of favs. right now. Fuckin maniac!

My all time fav. is Tank Abbott back in his prime. I saw a UFC special with him back in 2002 I believe, and the guy was hunched over from exhaustion after only 4min. The other guy was bouncing around still, full of pep. Needless to say Tank got knocked the fuck out with a shot to the jaw.

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Originally Posted by orangeman

When you ask me I just believe that theres a difference in practicing martial arts and actually using it when the time comes. Maybe they aren't thinking about the moves they learned, just thinking about winning and not trying to get knocked the fuck out lol.

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But see, I'm always hearing about how martial arts experts train to the point where they don't have to think about it, they just do it. Obviously, from watching the UFC, that's just bullshit.

Why spend all those hours practicing some move that you will never use because it's worthless? I think that time would be better spent practicing moves that you know you're going to need.

anyone seen the last fight Tito and shamrock had? that fight was truly sad, I was looking forward to a good fight not an all out slaughter. for christ sake the fight didn't even go past the 1st round. Kind of funny Tito kicked Shamrocks ass all 3 times though lol!

When the UFC started out it was a compitition of all different styles. What it progressed to is basically a grappling match because ROYCE GRACIE was so dominant with his style.

Just goes to show ya.....if someone goes into "crane style", tackle em' down before they can kick the crap out of ya! LOL....ya might get in one good punch at least.:D

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by CityBoyGoneCountry

In the UFC, 99% of the fights go to the ground and end on the ground. And even when they are on their feet, they don't seem to be using any special techniques that you won't see in any drunken street fight. They all have years of training, and most have black belts in at least one, sometimes more than one, martial arts style, but you don't see that on display when they fight. All you see is wild punches and leg kicks. It's never really pretty, and often very sloppy.

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I stopped reading here, saying they don't display their skills? When they goto the ground they are displaying wrestling, jujitsu, submissions, and ground and pound all very well rounded techniques. Standing up they look like drunk fighters? That may just be the dumbest post of this thread. To say they swing around like drunk fighters shows you don't know your Mixed Martial Arts even more. While standing they display kickboxing, boxing, grappling, wrestling defense, and Muay Thai once again all very well rounded techniques. Why do you see no martial arts in the octagon you ask? Plain and simple, all these styles mixed together are more dominate then the styles of karate. Lets face it, karate these days is nothing more then a training style to get you ready for the styles listed above. Theres just to many counters to karate period. You should really stop watching UFC on spike tv and watch some UFC PPVs, better yet watch PRIDE FC, or King of the Cage or just stick to your karate movies because karate will not and won't last in fighting competitions besides karate competitons. And if you think a black belt guy in karate can beat some UFC fighters ass you should really quit sniffing glue. Karate can't compare to a well rounded fighter. They have way more skills then a karate fighter contains. Sure a karate kid may be winning the stand up game, but then he gets takin down to the ground, whats he gonna do here? Pretty much nothing but allow himself to get his face smashed or a arm/ankle broke. Anyone who knows anything about Mixed Martial Arts will laugh in your face at this post. You say everyone uses the same moves and does the same styles, you know why? Because back in UFC 1 there was a fighter by the name of Royce Graice and he was a master in jujitsu, and what he did was beat 3 fighters in one night, i believe 2 or 3 PPVs in a row. And he fought your "bar fighter" he fought your "wrestler" he fought your "Karate Kid" and he owned them all in one round. Why? Because standing up in a fight means nothing if you have no take down defense. Just like he displayed, and from that he submitted them at will. So as MMA progressed people relised they needed jujitsu if they wanted to last in a fight that went to the ground. The same reason people brought in kickboxing to counter boxing. Every style has a counter, so they learn as many styles that WORK IN A FIGHT and there for are that much more well rounded against a fighter who only contains one style. Ehhh I could keep this going forever but Im not going to, basicly karate is useless in a real fight with a fighter who knows how to fight and contains multi styles of fighting. Quit watching SPIKE TV, and order/buy some PPV's.

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Originally Posted by potsmokingnome

anyone seen the last fight Tito and shamrock had? that fight was truly sad, I was looking forward to a good fight not an all out slaughter. for christ sake the fight didn't even go past the 1st round. Kind of funny Tito kicked Shamrocks ass all 3 times though lol!

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Ken is 42 and has been fighting since the first PPV in 1993. Hes old, he should of retired 3 years ago. The fight was basicly a rubber match to warm Tito up for Liddel so he can get knocked out again.

Oh why do you think there hasn't been a successful karate practicioners in ANY combat sport? Lets see here

Lets say match 1 is pure striking stand up
Karate Kid would get beat by a boxer or kick boxer by pure out striking
Karate Kid would get kneed to death by a muay thai fighter while grappled
Karate Kid would get elbowd to death in a grapple in the coner
Lets say match 2 is pure ground game
Karate Kid would get ground and pounded till he was knocked out
Karate Kid would get submitted not only on the ground, but standing
Karate Kid would get tossed around by a wrestler till he got the postion he liked
Lets say match 3 is MMA rules
Karate Kid may be getting the better stand up of someone, but then he gets takin down, what does he do? I know he doesn't know cause he hasn't learned ground defense
Karate Kid fights A,B or even C ranked striker and Im putting my money on the MMA strike over him anyday. Why? Karate Kid would be using kicks and punches, while the MMA striker would be using kicks,punchs,elbows,knees,grappling,foot stomps,take downs,submission attempts ground and standing

Lets face is karate has yet to make a impact in ANY combat sport, and I doubt it will.

speaking of UFC: UFC best of 2005 is on spike, watch it damnit! watch it!

most those dudes in ufc look like street fighters, which they probally were at 1 time or another..anywayz, my point being is that martial arts is about discipline, not so much as kicking the shit outta the other person, these people most of them do freestyle martial arts, which means they can pretty much do w/e the hell they want to the other person, like psycho said most of it consist of grappling

kwal:

You totally misunderstood what I was saying, dude.

I'm not bashing jujitsu. As far as I'm concerned, jujitsu is the only martial art worth learning. No other style can defeat jujitsu without adding some jujitsu into your style.

But I'm comparing the UFC to martial arts movies here. You don't see grappling in the movies. In the movies you see fists and feet moving at a thousand miles an hour. You see blocks and dodges and counters that are equally fast. That's why I can't watch martial arts movies anymore, because they're too "over the top."

And by the way, many of the knockouts in the UFC are just wild punches that got lucky and landed. That's a fact.

Martial arts movies use different styles of fighting that recognize certain rules (dont kick them while theyre down, etc..)

UFC is a mixed martial arts street fight... thats why they end up on the ground... cuz its allowed.

Martial ARTS is just that... art

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Originally Posted by CityBoyGoneCountry

kwal:

And by the way, many of the knockouts in the UFC are just wild punches that got lucky and landed. That's a fact.

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SO TRUE...

High-Yah!

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Originally Posted by CityBoyGoneCountry

It has for me. Not that I'm complaining or anything, just feeling sentimental, I guess.

Once you've seen how a real life martial arts fight plays out, all those kung fu and karate movies just look comical. Every move they make is so elegantly complicated, perfectly timed, and flawlessly executed. Not at all like the UFC.

In the UFC, 99% of the fights go to the ground and end on the ground. And even when they are on their feet, they don't seem to be using any special techniques that you won't see in any drunken street fight. They all have years of training, and most have black belts in at least one, sometimes more than one, martial arts style, but you don't see that on display when they fight. All you see is wild punches and leg kicks. It's never really pretty, and often very sloppy.

And if everyone is using the exact same moves as the next guy, does that mean their own specific style of martial arts is useless? Did they train all those years to earn their black belts by learning moves that will never work? I know there is more to being a black belt than just mounting your opponent and dropping elbows on his face, but that is the prefered style of attack in the UFC. Hell, I can do that. Am I a black belt now too?

It's kinda funny, really. Martial arts has this great mythical aura about it. Everyone seems to believe if you know karate (or whatever style) then you are some kind of bad ass. But when the fighting starts, there's nothing bad ass about it. Just two guys humping each other on the floor of the octagon.:dance:

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I dunno if anyone has said this, because I didn't bother reading through the thread..:p


The U.F.C. doesn't just have martial arts.. The reason they always lie on the ground and cuddle is because most of them have WRESTLING training as well as other martial arts..

Karate isn't about lying on the ground, neither is Tae Kwondo.. Boxing and Kick boxing.. There are many many many many other, that DON'T go on, on the ground.. So, you're just a moron for letting the U.F.C. ruin martial arts movies for you.

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I see what the dudes saying I think. While it hasn't ruined martial arts films for me, it does seem to show that the complex, dramatic and exciting styles shown in martial arts movies doesn't amount to fuck all when it gets real. UFC does seem to have an enourmous amount of focus on ground and pound and I would like to see some variation on the fights. You know like underground circuit? way back in the 30's and 40's the london underworld boasted a massive bareknuckle scene with a variety of arenas. The most notorious was the hourglass. The fighters would get in a clear sided cube then once the fight starts they start to pour sand in a hole in the roof. It was meant to be a massive equaliser because the conditions were so bad, ie you couldn't see shit, your breathing's all fucked up etc. I realise something like that wont come back but I'd love to see some ufc matches with rules like stand up fight only, or chain their wrists together, shit like that. UFC is cool but some nights it doesn't get my heart racing like it did when Randy and Chuck fought. maybe I'm talking shit, I'm kind of stoned. no worries. lol


happy smoking

I try to watch UFC but they talk for about 20minutes, adverts, talk for another ten minutes, fight starts, over the top intros, more talking, two guys I never heard of pummel each other for about ten seconds, one gets caught in a head lock and submitted. My last 35-40 minutes of agony ended in a ten second fight. Fuck that.

No, no it hasnt.

Ive studied American Sombo for over 5 years was a senior instructor at my academy, and AikiJuJitsu for 2. I love both ufc,pride etc, and MA movies. The reason it all looks like a drunken mess to you is maybe because you dont understand whats really going on in the ring. Kwali made a pretty decent post so no need to reiterate.

JuJitsu has many styles, and yes gracies made a huge impact on nhb events but to make a sweeping comment as JJ is an absolute necessity or the "best" to know in the ring i think is false. One could argue a greco roman, sombo, and muay thai trained fighter would be just if not more lethal than a JJ MMA.

And yea, lucky plays a part of it.. one slip of the foot, or a lucky punch changes alot.

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Originally Posted by SouledOut

it does seem to show that the complex, dramatic and exciting styles shown in martial arts movies doesn't amount to fuck all when it gets real.

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Exactly!

people beating the fuck out of eachother for money.. not my thing...
but i found it funny that Ken Shamrock, some one I watched younger faking fights wrestling (WWF/TNA), shedding real blood and sweat out in a real ring in UFC. xD
does that make me a bad person?

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Originally Posted by Nochowderforyou

Ha ha! Yeah man.
Mike Sylvia is one of favs. right now. Fuckin maniac!

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I realized last night that I got his first name wrong. I meant Tim Sylvia. Duh! :o

UFC is ALL martial arts rolled into one. Those fighters don't learn just one fighting style, like kickboxing or judo, they learn all of them. Some fighters are stronger in some fighting areas than most, so they tend to stick with that particular style, but still use all the styles they learned in training.

The knockouts I've seen have not been lucky by flying fists. I have seen a lot of knockouts by 1 straight shot to the jaw, not by swinging like a madman and ladning a lucky shot.

I'm not sure what UFC you're watching man, but there are plenty of skilled knockouts.

I hate it when they just end up rolling around or stuck in a position for minutes at a time

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Originally Posted by NextLineIsMine

I hate it when they just end up rolling around or stuck in a position for minutes at a time

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Then the ref stands them up...

and they go right back down to the same position again. LOL

I saw one fight last night on the best of UFC 2005, it was one of the fights in that reality show they have..(forget the name)..and it was between the 2 light weights contenders to get th 6 figure contract, and it was the only UFC fight where I saw them stay purely on there feet the whole 3 rounds, and in the end they both got 6 figure contracts, it was the best fight I have ever seen.. lol

No, although I am an active martial artists, I never have enjoyed martial arts flicks to a great degree. Although Tony Jaa as On Bak Thai Warrior was great as are the other films this guy did.

And the UFC is a competition. It is a sporting event and although it's what most people would consider "fighting"- just remember it isn't reality.

Martial arts can be a great thing for some people, and when you train hard, train with contact and learn the essentials, it's amazing what mental, physical, social ect. benefts you get from it.

And just to add in, I smoke daily, multiple times a day, train usually 5x a week in addition to a full 8 hour work day and hour long lifting session. And I train high as well all of the time.

It enhances it all.:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by ninfan77

No, no it hasnt.

Ive studied American Sombo for over 5 years was a senior instructor at my academy, and AikiJuJitsu for 2. I love both ufc,pride etc, and MA movies. The reason it all looks like a drunken mess to you is maybe because you dont understand whats really going on in the ring. Kwali made a pretty decent post so no need to reiterate.

JuJitsu has many styles, and yes gracies made a huge impact on nhb events but to make a sweeping comment as JJ is an absolute necessity or the "best" to know in the ring i think is false. One could argue a greco roman, sombo, and muay thai trained fighter would be just if not more lethal than a JJ MMA.

And yea, lucky plays a part of it.. one slip of the foot, or a lucky punch changes alot.

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Do you mind if I ask where your school was located? As in what state?

The problem with those movies is that the bad guys are letting the protagonist hit them, he doesn't have to worry about getting hit back. This is why you never see MA's just run out and start throwing wild punches at each other, like you see in most street fights. Because with every kick/punch you throw at someone, you're setting yourself up to get kicked/punched HARD! or taken down. And you're at a big advantage if you're fighting on top.

Watch a Fedor Emelianenko or Mirko CroCop (this guy's knocked out so many people with kicks to the face, he's fucking insane) highlight on youtube or google video if you want to see some real standing fighters.

i know what you mean........ i still wouldnt have a fight any of them though:rasta: