Argument supporting god...?

I'm rather annoyed with the logic of Catholics. I attended a catholic school from 5th - 12th grade and I remember in religion class when I would debate with my teachers about their teachings (in 10-12 grade) an argument they used. I don't remember the question asked but the teacher replied with this logic.

Teacher - Look at that flower, where did it come from?

Me - Umm a seed.

T - Where did that seed come from?

Me - the dirt.

T - Where did that dirt come from?


Blah, blah, blah. This went on a few steps longer until he concluded that everything has to date back to on central point. In other words everything is caused by something else. Hence there is a god.

I have heard many Catholics use this same logic. I just really pisses me off that they consider this an argument. So everything most come from something else yet once you trace it back to god the pattern suddenly ends. Look if your going to argue that everything must come from something else, you can't convienently end this logic once you reach god as the answer.


Anyway, just something that pissed me off. I was having a little debate with this guy on campus and he used this same argument. The ignorance found within Christianity scares me. I suppose because I was around it for so long and believed in it so strongly and blindly when I was younger.

so where did the atoms come from and what caused the laws of the universe? where did this order of things we now can call life start from? your beliveing in a law of distruction and nothing would exsist in that state. you know that humans have tryed to put all the right atoms near eachother and have never been able to make life? and that still doesn't explain how the atoms got there to start with.

there are tons of exsamples of how the bible is god inspired. the bible says the earth is a sphear heald apon nothing. the common teaching of the time ranged from earth being flat to it sitting apon elephants backs.

the bible says the stars number as the sands of the sea. compare thoses two things, stars and the sand of the sea. if you counted the stars on the clearest night you will come to about 3000-5000. thats a mear handful of sand. but in fact today we know that 1/2 of the stars we see is a galaxy full of billions of stars and in fact they do number as the sand of the sea.

these are just 2 exsamples of countless teaching that are right and prophecy that have and WILL come true.

So by this logic it had to have come from god? Why should this system end once you reach the conclusion of god. Oh yes because he has always existed? How is that anymore logical or any different really than one atom having alway's existed. My point is this, the argument shows nothing. It doesn't explain how their must be a god nor does it explain there isn't one. It's simply flawed logic that you suddenly change at the end to "explain" what you believe."

Again why does this questioning suddenly end when you reach the point of "well god must have created it." If it is possible God has alway's been, isn't it also possible the universe has always been, in one form or another? I understand people want answers, but I don't think our minds are advanced enough to truely grasp this universe and it's laws, much less why they are the way they are. God is simply a convienent answer to these questions.

But again, I have no problem with the belief in God assuming the faith is based on something personal. That is true faith. Being told there is a god all ones life and assuming it is ture isn't faith. It's ignorance. In order to have faith you have to give a personal reason for it.

If you tell me you believe in god because of this that happened to you than great... maybe you are right. I don't know, known of us do. I simply can't stand the people who argue so strongly that there is a god without ever truely thinking about it.

In Catholic school they taught us it was a sin to ever question god, yet you can never truely believe in him unless you question him at one point.

Now I'm not saying this is the kind of person you are, but that is the kind of person that pisses me off.

I don't try and disprove god, I simply want to encourage people to question his existence and come up with a personal answer to the question. Quit simply accepting it as fact because it has been shoved down your throat and been told for so long it is sacralige to question the truth about what your tought. In my opinion organized religion is a form of brainwashing. I can say this because I have lived it.

i agree we have to ask and think for our self. Blind faith will not save you. you have to know and belive and unless you do then your still looking. I suport you asking why, how, WHAT?!?! this is life we have to find our path and choose it.

Good than essentially we agree, we just have come to different conclusions. I can respect someone even if they believe in a rock assuming they have truely thought on it and believe it to be true.

1 corinthians 6:9-10 what! do you not know that unrighteous persons will not inherit god's kingdom? do not be misled. neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adultors, nor men kept for unnatural purposers, nor men who lie with men, nor thieves, nor greedy persons, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortionbers will inherit God's kingdom.

Keep in mind the Bible is just a religous text for one of many sects of religion and it had to be written by a human. As we all know humans have a tendency toward corrupt thought processes, as shown in the very book we worship and the story of Adam and Eve. I think the biggest problem with the Christianity is that many of the teachings are out dated and veiwed as very conservative now days(anti-gay, non-marriage, drugs ect). At the end of the day Darwin had way to many counterpoints against organized religion for many of us to ever believe again. Theres too many people that are too opinionated about religion, just think there are at least 5 major religions in the world that means at the end of the day if there is an outside force that created us 4/5 of us picked the wrong damn side to begin with. Not to mention the far fetched stories like Noahs Ark and a guy in a whale...? Why oh why would u believe that crap.

I shouldn't say crap I know it means a lot to people, I would just really love to know why.

what are your counter points? just that you do not belive the storys? the hebrew scriptures (all your storys you do not belive) are prophecy of Jesus being born and the life he lived. all was writen so people would know that he was God's son here to die for all mankinds sin (wich atom started). the greek scriptures are writen so we know about jesus and his father and how he is going to distroy this system of things. god made adom and eve to live forever and in peace, with FREE WILL. wich they decided to lose by disobaying him.

from just looking at prophecy and what happend then compareing whats going on today to prophecy we can see the will of god is soon to be fullfilled. do not allow your FREE WILL to blind you in chooseing to disobay.

your right most of this world has fallen short of what god wants and it is sad. Woe to the earth

Belief in God has no logic, it's purely a question of faith over reason. I have no belief in God, some do. That's ok with me, I just ask for the same respect as an atheist. Most religions don't afford me that respect. That makes their religion weaker in my eyes for I do not care one iota what they believe, and I have no wish to convert them to atheists. Each to their own, but that doesn't seem to apply to religion as most religions consider it their duty to spread the word of God. I only want to be left alone, nothing else.

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Originally Posted by Ignatius

Belief in God has no logic, it's purely a question of faith over reason. I have no belief in God, some do. That's ok with me, I just ask for the same respect as an atheist. Most religions don't afford me that respect. That makes their religion weaker in my eyes for I do not care one iota what they believe, and I have no wish to convert them to atheists. Each to their own, but that doesn't seem to apply to religion as most religions consider it their duty to spread the word of God. I only want to be left alone, nothing else.

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Jesus went takeing his followers to teach about his father. God wants you to draw close to him. I know you do not want people forceing there ideas onto you. I am not doing this i am in a spirituality section talking about what i have come to learn. I do not force you to read this or even come to this section. I just want to follow what jesus tought and follow his exsample. and i can;t stop talking about what I have come to know. you can simply not listion if you choose. Sorry if you feel i am forceing a belife

Ignatius brings up my biggest problem and counterpoint against organized religion. It creates inequalities among different groups separating them into either believers or non-believers, at the end of the day thats just like racism minus the great deal of hate. And as the islamic Jihandist's have shown even that small aspect of acceptance has been denied to people. Im not a big hater of religious people and I think they follow a lot of great ideal systems, I just see the flaws the the design and the way they use peoples insecurities to get them to believe something. I mean thats the whole reason someone wrote the Bible, the basic need for people to feel like they belong and provide them with a blanket for all of there insecurites about death. People who feel very strongly about there religion can seem brainwashed at times as they don't really listen to other peoples counterpoints and feel like they are challenging their intelligence. Many people hold their beliefs for that reason and the fact that their loved ones have taught them this their whole lives and they think people who loves you would never push something wrong on you. It's scarey to think that theres a group of people so consumed in this cycle and so insecure about their future after death that they are will to kill themselves and others to uphold those beliefs.

killing one another is wrong and we must love our brothers ( all humans) teaching about Jehovah God and giveing people a Chance to follow or choose to follow there own thinking is what jesus tought. we all are here and chooseing ither to follow god's laws or fall short. You have to SEEK GOD and if your looking and doing the real reaserch then you will come to your own conclushion. Satan is all around us and trying to distract you with false teachings. we need to seek truth out and if your confused your seeking satan's teaching. God's laws and rules will make sence and he is Just. All confushion is Satan blind sighting you. Keep looking tell you find him and Follow what Jesus tought.


1 corinthians 6:9-10 what! do you not know that unrighteous persons will not inherit god's kingdom? do not be misled. neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adultors, nor men kept for unnatural purposers, nor men who lie with men, nor thieves, nor greedy persons, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortionbers will inherit God's kingdom.

How did the universe get here? How did the first atom appear? How does the universe have a system of physical laws? why can't we (yet) reproduce life without life?

Well obviously, god did it.


But you'll notice that pretty much every argument for god's existence is in this form. Not empiracle evidence, but rather an explanation that simply fits into the missing piece of the puzzle.

Now let me ask... how does the sun rise? what is the sun made of? where does lightning come from? How does the magic plant get you high? Before science could answer any of these, it was obviously the work of god. And today we carry on that same fallable tradition of placing god in the missing puzzle piece whenever science fails to understand it at that point.

But truly, it was when we rebelled against our dependence on god and started questioning, started asking if the earth really is the center of the universe, if life really did just magically appear, what physical processes actually make the world work, and infinite other questions.... THAT was when we made progress, when we abadoned dependence on god and started making our own solutions. When we realized that biological and genetic manipulation is what cures diseases, that social reform such as slavery abolition and democracy would bring an end to government injustice by a huge margin, when we started making solutions on our own. And while many problems persist and will for a long time, there have been millions of things we had to deal with in the past that we found solutions, without the help of god, but with the help of human intellect and reasoning. One day the same will prove true for cancer, or HIV, or slavery.

science, reason, and most importantly learning how to take care of humanities problems ourselves is innevitably what will create the ideal world.

(In the mean time, I think theists need to start actually taking a look at atheist websites, not just those that confirm their preconceptions. Surely if your logic is so infallable there's nothing to fear in considering the numerous counter-points to the plethora of christian arguments I hear again and again.

Nice post but you kinda just repeated what I said, but hey you agree! Theres many deep seeded reasons most Christians will never convert or even consider the arguement to atheism one of the biggest is the fear of being different.

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Originally Posted by mrdevious

How did the universe get here? How did the first atom appear? How does the universe have a system of physical laws? why can't we (yet) reproduce life without life?

Well obviously, god did it.


But you'll notice that pretty much every argument for god's existence is in this form. Not empiracle evidence, but rather an explanation that simply fits into the missing piece of the puzzle.

Now let me ask... how does the sun rise? what is the sun made of? where does lightning come from? How does the magic plant get you high? Before science could answer any of these, it was obviously the work of god. And today we carry on that same fallable tradition of placing god in the missing puzzle piece whenever science fails to understand it at that point.

But truly, it was when we rebelled against our dependence on god and started questioning, started asking if the earth really is the center of the universe, if life really did just magically appear, what physical processes actually make the world work, and infinite other questions.... THAT was when we made progress, when we abadoned dependence on god and started making our own solutions. When we realized that biological and genetic manipulation is what cures diseases, that social reform such as slavery abolition and democracy would bring an end to government injustice by a huge margin, when we started making solutions on our own. And while many problems persist and will for a long time, there have been millions of things we had to deal with in the past that we found solutions, without the help of god, but with the help of human intellect and reasoning. One day the same will prove true for cancer, or HIV, or slavery.

science, reason, and most importantly learning how to take care of humanities problems ourselves is innevitably what will create the ideal world.

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Well you did a much better job saying what I was trying to say. Thanks.

I agree with you 100% our dependence on a god is diminishing. I just don't like the idea of waiting for god to make everything alright. We are in charge of our own world and we can't sit around and wait for a man who has been absent for over 2000 years if he ever even existed in the form the bible says. I'm not saying jesus didn't exist, he did. But there is no proof he was the son of god. Everything is based on an old book.

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Originally Posted by JaggedEdge

Well you did a much better job saying what I was trying to say. Thanks.

I agree with you 100% our dependence on a god is diminishing. I just don't like the idea of waiting for god to make everything alright. We are in charge of our own world and we can't sit around and wait for a man who has been absent for over 2000 years if he ever even existed in the form the bible says. I'm not saying jesus didn't exist, he did. But there is no proof he was the son of god. Everything is based on an old book.

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I think Jesus most likely did exist too, and probably as a very wise man. But, there's a lot of evidence that his divinity was added on when the bible was collected and standardized some-odd 600 years after Jesus, largely for the purpose of making christianity more appealing to pagaens.

it's nice to at least have a few like-minded people around here, good to have you here Jaggededge (and fireybudburner) :)

The last great emperor of the Roman empire... Costantine met a group of religous monks who pushed this new idea on him and told him about the magical ways of a man named Jesus of Nazarath. Costantine knew the Roman empire was in its waning years and he wanted to make his mark on the world so he hyped this new religion and changed the whole national religion to make everyone a believer. That act alone of him changing the Roman Empires national religion still rears its head today as people STILL believe in it.

Jesus did exsist he did do great things and had many followers. But he was just a man who wanted to push his own ideas, in fact the way it looks now he was a very manipulative man who thought he was actually the only begotton son of out only creater (talk about an ego). He was a great speaker and had great charisma so naturally people believed him.

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Originally Posted by mrdevious

How did the universe get here? How did the first atom appear? How does the universe have a system of physical laws? why can't we (yet) reproduce life without life?

Well obviously, god did it.


But you'll notice that pretty much every argument for god's existence is in this form. Not empiracle evidence, but rather an explanation that simply fits into the missing piece of the puzzle.

Now let me ask... how does the sun rise? what is the sun made of? where does lightning come from? How does the magic plant get you high? Before science could answer any of these, it was obviously the work of god. And today we carry on that same fallable tradition of placing god in the missing puzzle piece whenever science fails to understand it at that point.

But truly, it was when we rebelled against our dependence on god and started questioning, started asking if the earth really is the center of the universe, if life really did just magically appear, what physical processes actually make the world work, and infinite other questions.... THAT was when we made progress, when we abadoned dependence on god and started making our own solutions. When we realized that biological and genetic manipulation is what cures diseases, that social reform such as slavery abolition and democracy would bring an end to government injustice by a huge margin, when we started making solutions on our own. And while many problems persist and will for a long time, there have been millions of things we had to deal with in the past that we found solutions, without the help of god, but with the help of human intellect and reasoning. One day the same will prove true for cancer, or HIV, or slavery.

science, reason, and most importantly learning how to take care of humanities problems ourselves is innevitably what will create the ideal world.

(In the mean time, I think theists need to start actually taking a look at atheist websites, not just those that confirm their preconceptions. Surely if your logic is so infallable there's nothing to fear in considering the numerous counter-points to the plethora of christian arguments I hear again and again.

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I don't see why science and God can't go hand and hand :confused:

P.S. FBB, I don't see how he was "manipulative"- I see him as a revolutionary and a radical and perhaps the first communist !

Science and God do go hand in hand. When we find we don't have the missing piece of the scientific puzzle we put God in it's place. As we become more adept at finding the scientific reasoning behind the missing pieces we'll rely on God less and less for the explanation.

Some how because the sun rises today baised on physic laws, this proves God didn't set it up and make it work that perfect? you realise if a PIN head pice of the sun's core was here on earth you could not be within 90 miles of that tiny pice? it is at just the EXACT right distance from the earth to warm our day.

All this is somehow random? Just because we know what laws hold things here or does that over there proves theres no god? Proves to me his perfect design. and the fact that the bible was accerate with all we know and with jesus's life it was fortold, for us today to know.

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Originally Posted by mrdevious

I think Jesus most likely did exist too, and probably as a very wise man. But, there's a lot of evidence that his divinity was added on when the bible was collected and standardized some-odd 600 years after Jesus, largely for the purpose of making christianity more appealing to pagaens.

it's nice to at least have a few like-minded people around here, good to have you here Jaggededge (and fireybudburner) :)

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I don't understand how he exsisted (jesus) and did all that he did (raise the dead, cure the lame). his life was layed out in the hebrew scriptures and all the prophceys came true. and the fact that the bible accerately discribed his life and what he would do. Jesus proved to be the son of god that was fortold to do exactly what he did.

the pope and the crusadeds and all these false doctrens that some how prove to you that he was just a man. Do you not remember Satan takeing Jesus to a high mountain and showing Jesus the kingdoms of the day, He said they were his and he would give them to Jesus right now for a act of worship. Jesus did not Deny that the goverments of this world are controled by Satan. Satan missleads Mankind and has given plunty of reason to reject God. Do not be misslead.

Jesus was the son of god here to make up for Adam's sin (eye for an eye rule) (perfect man sin-ning and perfect man dieing for all mankind). All these things were Fortold and All these things were right.

Thing is we have found script that date back to jesus time, and the bible is right. All the stuff christanty and false religion has tought is obiously wrong. and there obiously not following god's laws and what jesus tought. Don't let others ignorance and miss pratice stumble you. Do real reaserch and seek god out with a sound mind. turn away from the false teachers.

well christianity is based on the Egyptians Sun Worshipping, like most ppl think Jesus was born on the 25th Of December - but he wasnt he was born in March (according to the bible) they used this date because it was already a religious day and they didnt want to mess ups ppl calenders basicly, so they just converted the old religous Egyiptian holiday and "re-packaged" it for christianity :D

That thing about being the right distance from the Sun.

Don't you think we might have evolved as the planet cooled and began to settle in the orbit we are in now. We weren't just here one day out of nowhere (or even six days out of nowhere) I think we gradually evolved to become what we are now. There are many mysteries still to be solved and science solves them one at a time. Those that aren't solved I am content to call "undiscovered truths"

I'm not ready to bet my chips on God being the answer just yet.

how did all the millions of differnt things all evolve from the same stuff? Everything we see not only the life but the plant life. all these billions of differnt kinds of life all came about and the earth works in a way to suport it all, but some how it just happend about? Your beliveing an impossablity , think about everything you see and how complex it all works together and how we all need the other life to help us live our self. How would a rat elvolve to eat something if were all some how elvolveing at the same time? he would have nothing to eat.

bacteria eats and lives off things ,what would it consume to elvolve into more? how would anything exsist if the other life it uses to suport it self wasn't there or in a differnt stage. nothing could come about from this process and work in the way it does today ( and for the last 8000 years)

why is there no new intelligent life what caused us to come this far but Nothing else. remember your saying everything came from the same soup. where are the talking trees? This is how I can belive a creator that made everything work so well. WE all live useing the other life around us as suport and with out it all would be dead. and if god didn't make it JUST SO nothing would work.

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Originally Posted by Krogith

how did all the millions of differnt things all evolve from the same stuff? Everything we see not only the life but the plant life. all these billions of differnt kinds of life all came about and the earth works in a way to suport it all, but some how it just happend about? Your beliveing an impossablity , think about everything you see and how complex it all works together and how we all need the other life to help us live our self. How would a rat elvolve to eat something if were all some how elvolveing at the same time? he would have nothing to eat.

bacteria eats and lives off things ,what would it consume to elvolve into more? how would anything exsist if the other life it uses to suport it self wasn't there or in a differnt stage. nothing could come about from this process and work in the way it does today ( and for the last 8000 years)

why is there no new intelligent life what caused us to come this far but Nothing else. remember your saying everything came from the same soup. where are the talking trees? This is how I can belive a creator that made everything work so well. WE all live useing the other life around us as suport and with out it all would be dead. and if god didn't make it JUST SO nothing would work.

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Genetic mutations and changes in breeds of under water bacteria over time is how it happened. If the mutations benefited the species then it would render the non-mutated (or unevolved version of the species usless and it would not be able to compete for the same food with its superior). For instance in modern history the neaderthal man found himself outsmarted by the homospaien mutation of the species the neaderthal was bigger and stronger, but it couldn't make tools and build shelters the way its mutated homospapien brothers could. Therefore the old evolution died off due to competion and the homospaiens ruled. Same principle applied to the bactericia who delveloped a tail and could swin fast than the previous species.
Certain attributes also lend to great success in certain climates, and regions the members of the species with these favorable attributes breed and thrive more effieciently than there brothers who may be underdeveloped in that area. The underdeveloped species die off and give way to the favorable species and soon enough the whole population has that favorable attribute. Pretty much basic biology, survival of the fittest and natural selection.
You may find it hard to believe that a bacteria turned into a human but it many many jumps before that one. Bacteria turns into a small fish, small fish turns into a bigger fish bigger fish grows legs and turns into prehistoric frog, the frog then turns into a primative lizard, the lizard due to climate change needs to develop hairs and turns into a rodent, rodent turns into a small monkey, small monkey turns into a primate and you should know the rest from there. Thats a very simplified version and Im sure there are many changes in between each but thats just a run down of how it happens.

Prehistoric bacterium photosyntheisized there food using the suns rays and H2O by the way.

"I'm rather annoyed with the logic of Catholics"
LOL, you're not alone.


The unbeliever will argue that what science can't figure out, a christian screams it was God who did it, to fit the puzzle.
I say, God spoke and science has yet to disprove a single word.

You guys say man wrote the bible, but yet the authors don't take credit for the writings. They ALL know and understand that it was written with the Spirit of God and none of the writers take any glory for their own writings. But yet, you guys scream that man wrote it. Obviously the authors disagree with you. Even though you want to give them the glory for the writings, they don't accept it.

This is the bottom line. You want proof? Try connecting the black and red leads of a volt meter to me and see if you can detect the Spirit of God inside me? How many volts? Science can't detect what's inside me, but I have the substance and evidence to prove that it's there. Oh yeah, but you don't want to believe me. :thumbsup:

Science has disproven quite a few of the words of God. Assuming the Bible is the word of God then we must accept that the world is only ..what is it..eight thousand, six thousand years old? Something like that. Are you a creationist perchance?

nothing in the bible, has been proven WRONG thats a false statement.

nothink has been proven right aswell

Pass That Shit,you are the type of person were talking about on this forum. You just say God has never been disproven by science when you don't listen to all the obvious proof on this little forum alone. You are not going to either and you will never change because you refuse to give up on what you have so firmly believed for years. Hey, dont believe that people can't walk on water, one boat can't hold 2 of every species in the world, and a guy can't live inside the body of a whale.
People wrote the bible for the same reason Jesus told people he was the son of god. Attention, and fame. The reason the authors of the Bible didn't write there fucking names on it if you didn't think that far is because they are not total idiots. They wrote a book that they CLAIMED was WRITTEN BY THE SPIRT OF GOD, why the hell would they then go a disapprove there own lies by putting there name on the cover and letting everyone HEY A MAN WROTE THIS. Just maybe one day think outside of the box on your religion, you might come to realize what most of us on this site have,,,, ITS TOTAL BS.:stoned:

god was helping these people and god was proveing that he was with them just because no one can ( walk on water today) does not mean that jesus did not.

If you keep looking to your own understanding then your not ever going to see the one who created all. putting your faith into mankind, who die and distroy one another is going to get you where?

Looking at all that is made and saying it just happen to be makes you God. your makeing your self the most advanced thing in your reality.

I choose to know that were wrong and were self distructive. I choose to humbol myself and except a higher power to know whats best and his ways are Right. From the start.

That is your choice and it seems to be soley based on your own misgivings about mankind and has nothing to do with factual evidence. Hey thats the same reason everyone who believes essentially does, you don't have evidence and none will ever arise. I guess if your insecure with death and your future then God is the way to go, it will make you feel better until you become mushroom food.

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Originally Posted by Ignatius

Science has disproven quite a few of the words of God. Assuming the Bible is the word of God then we must accept that the world is only ..what is it..eight thousand, six thousand years old? Something like that. Are you a creationist perchance?

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What has science disproven then ? Iggy you sound like a very angry young man , chomping at the bit.

Assuming the Bible is the word of God, who's to say that one day to God isn't a billion years to us ?


Im with you Billionfold, I'd rather believe and die and there be no afterlife at all, than not believe and die and WHOOPS. Better safe than sorry ! I even wear a seatbelt :D

Be Buhdist then man, monotheism is a joke.

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Originally Posted by Krogith

so where did the atoms come from and what caused the laws of the universe? where did this order of things we now can call life start from? your beliveing in a law of distruction and nothing would exsist in that state. you know that humans have tryed to put all the right atoms near eachother and have never been able to make life? and that still doesn't explain how the atoms got there to start with.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PZyHF-PSk0

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Originally Posted by FireyBudBurner

Be Buhdist then man, monotheism is a joke.

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I always thought Buddhism was more a way of life than a religion :confused:

Still, Buddha ain't gonna help me in the afterlife if there is one, is he ? :D

And I think you only get one chance to get it right, can't imagine you'd have to keep coming back to this shithole over and over, that would SUCK !

What if you fucked it up now, and came back as a worm, only to end up on the end of a fishing pole ? ha ha !

Yea that would deffinately suck, especially if u got that fisherman who likes to do the wrap around the hook a couple times routine. Rencarnation isn't buddhism though its Hindu which is like the worst silliest of all religions. What about coming back as cow, (it is supposedly the most honorable animal to come back as in hindu) being real good your whole life and then ending up as veal.

mmm veal

I'm displaying no anger here, we're just debating the existence or otherwise of a creator. I don't believe in it, therefore I'm an atheist. I'm happy to listen to your side too.

Please, carry on.

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Originally Posted by Ignatius

I'm displaying no anger here, we're just debating the existence or otherwise of a creator. I don't believe in it, therefore I'm an atheist. I'm happy to listen to your side too.

Please, carry on.

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My bad ! I just thought I saw you on another thread getting all mad at someone, and it seemed like you were doing it here too.

You never did tell me what science has disproven :D

I just like believing, it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy. Ya dig ? :thumbsup: And like I said earlier, better to believe and be wrong (cuz you'd never know it !) than to not believe and be wrong about that. Just my :twocents:

FBB, I thought i had read somewhere that reincarnation was in Buddhism too- had to go searching for what I read (ha ha) and here's what it says- ' According to Buddhism, after death one is either reborn into another body (reincarnated) or enters nirvana. Only Buddhas - those who have attained enlightenment - will achieve the latter destination.' Its on that religionfacts.com.

Shit, I just tried to change my mood thing up there and it took me to a blank page ! I thought damn, I'm gonna have to type that whole thing over again, and me with medicine head ! Whew !