why are police such wan$ers?

hey all.. well i think it was yesterday .. my mum said to me.. on the news uk news there was a thing about homegrowers getting raided.. basicly the police was advising the viewers .. if you notice strong smells comin out of some1s window and they allways have there curtains drawn to inform the police.. so they can raid them.. my mum didnt give me all the story.. you know what dizzy mums are like.. well i have a carbon filter so im not worried bout smell.. but what i am worried about is the thought that any random person could find or work out im growing call police n i get raided.. can this happen? i mean i thought police had to have solid evedence.. but i mean some1 could ring police and say i know some1 is growing pot i have seen the plants for my own eyes.. even though they havent seen them they may have just heard then the police think right lets get em..you get busted.. man why dont the police try a bit harder at catching murderers rapests and crack dealers and leave the pot growers alone... i mean ok the pot growers that sell big deserve to get busted.. but not the little 1s just enjoying a hobby we love and growing some weed so we dont have to get riped off by the tight ass dealers that deserve to get busted.. any ways i could go on forever.. im sure a lot of you all feel me on this1.. the only 1 thing that calms me down about this.. is the fact that they can bust 100 growers a day.. but... there will still allways be mary jane:thumbsup:

Just be thankful that you don't live in the US. It's too bad that they're getting strict about growing there, but it sounds like it's only temporary.

It's like bullies in school there is NO reason just because they can. The say medical marijuana users don't put up a fight like terrorists do so it's safe to go after them. We don't shoot back or fight them so we are easy picking and make good TV with little to NO risk.

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Originally Posted by Zandor

It's like bullies in school there is NO reason just because they can. The say medical marijuana users don't put up a fight like terrorists do so it's safe to go after them. We don't shoot back or fight them so we are easy picking and make good TV with little to NO risk.

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Sad.

What you just said Zandor, is so true, it makes it even sadder. :(

Be safe everyone... be safe/

its not as bad as the media makes out, sounds like the usual scare tactics.
i especially like the bit about it funding "criminal networks"
how stupid do they think the public are? we didnt buy that argument with copyright theft, and we dont buy it with cannabis plants.

the police cannot just come and kick your door down on some other persons say so.
think of the compensation claim for stress they would have after battering down the wrong door with zero evidence.

what the police could do is watch you a bit, if a complaint is made, and if your exhibiting certain types of behavioural patterns, like lots of visitors at unusual hours, or causing any type of disruption/anti social behavior in the area, they could se that as further evience and maybe get a warrant.
or they could even just knock on the door under the pretence of looking for witnesses of a local crime, to see if you give your game away.

either way, if you are an otherwise respectable "law abiding" citizen with a regular life, and you dont have 100 plants scattered across three rooms and a house stinking of weed, and an ammount of unconcious students in your front room, youve pretty much got nothing to worry about.

besides, in these cases, ( and granted theres been a lot recently in the UK ) i think theres been more busts because a hell of a lot more people are smoking and growing thier own than there was just a few years back. so logically, the ammount of busts will rise.
who knows, maybe the ammount of busts hasnt risen, its just that its fasionable with the media at the moment, so it gets more lime light, or HPS light in this case, lol

and also, ive noticed all these high profile busts have been what i would describe as "small scale commercial" rather than personal grows (typically a whole residential house conversion), and theres always mention of electricity theft. how a commercial grower is so poor they have to resort to stealing electricity, is beyond me, there are more sensible locations, and ways to explain high power usage if you really were serious about covering some serious ground space with plants.

and just another thing(lol u got me started now), the profits are so big for growing commercialy, any person with a good grasp of basic business principals could make a very safe income if they were methodical, prudent and carefull not to fall into the trap of grabbing quick easy profit ( a-la council house grow factory to make fast money)

It's only a 2 week crack down, and its not for us kind of growers, its for the BIG growers. Which is BAD.

The cops are a joke, and if they come to your door, tell them to hopit/

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Originally Posted by babystarbud

its not as bad as the media makes out, sounds like the usual scare tactics.
i especially like the bit about it funding "criminal networks"
how stupid do they think the public are? we didnt buy that argument with copyright theft, and we dont buy it with cannabis plants.

the police cannot just come and kick your door down on some other persons say so.
think of the compensation claim for stress they would have after battering down the wrong door with zero evidence.

what the police could do is watch you a bit, if a complaint is made, and if your exhibiting certain types of behavioural patterns, like lots of visitors at unusual hours, or causing any type of disruption/anti social behavior in the area, they could se that as further evience and maybe get a warrant.
or they could even just knock on the door under the pretence of looking for witnesses of a local crime, to see if you give your game away.

either way, if you are an otherwise respectable "law abiding" citizen with a regular life, and you dont have 100 plants scattered across three rooms and a house stinking of weed, and an ammount of unconcious students in your front room, youve pretty much got nothing to worry about.

besides, in these cases, ( and granted theres been a lot recently in the UK ) i think theres been more busts because a hell of a lot more people are smoking and growing thier own than there was just a few years back. so logically, the ammount of busts will rise.
who knows, maybe the ammount of busts hasnt risen, its just that its fasionable with the media at the moment, so it gets more lime light, or HPS light in this case, lol

and also, ive noticed all these high profile busts have been what i would describe as "small scale commercial" rather than personal grows (typically a whole residential house conversion), and theres always mention of electricity theft. how a commercial grower is so poor they have to resort to stealing electricity, is beyond me, there are more sensible locations, and ways to explain high power usage if you really were serious about covering some serious ground space with plants.

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Good post, in fact electricity bills have gone up almost 80% recently, which means that smaller growers will probaly be more inclinded to grow and sell to cover what it costs to run a small scale setup, its a very moderate increase on what the price of energy used to be. Although people are still being busted I think it really comes down to greediness of smaller growers wanting to make profit, doubling, trippling their setup capacity and paying for it as a result. At least your not at risk of getting shot or put in jail for years like the US, don't think anyone growing under 200 plants as faced jail time yet, just fines, could be wrong.

why are police such wan$ers?
it might aswell be writen in there work contract cause every cop that i have come across has been a wanker
they get ruffer with you cause of your image but they dont leave any marks
so ya cant sue them for it cause there is no proof !!!
coppers are more corrupt then any of us
they raid ya house ,find 4 ounces and only 1 gets spoke of in court
then they say that they swear to tell the truth in court
but what gets said is nowhere near the truth
and the shitiest thing about it is that they get bonuses when they get a suspect locked up they see it as a criminal off the street
but who is the real criminal us or them !!!
lifes a proper bitch then you meet a wanker cop and it just gets plain worse lol
cheers all :)

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Originally Posted by LIP

It's only a 2 week crack down, and its not for us kind of growers, its for the BIG growers. Which is BAD.

The cops are a joke, and if they come to your door, tell them to hopit/

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Sorry lip but that's not correct dude.

Source: Austin Chronicle

Texas -- According to new crime statistics released last week by the FBI, arrests for marijuana possession reached a record high in 2005, which saw nearly 800,000 marijuana-related arrests nationwide.
About 88% of those were for simple possession; the remaining people â?? just over 90,000 â?? were charged with sale and/or manufacturing, a category that includes people busted for growing pot for medicinal use.

Indeed, says Allen St. Pierre, executive director of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws, the arrest numbers have increased steadily over the last decade, as the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy â?? home of the nation's drug czar and the brain trust behind the failed anti-drug media â?? has increasingly focused on maintaining its always-losing pot prohibition.
"People are running around with meth mouth and out of their minds, and we're focusing on marijuana," St. Pierre said. "There are [law enforcement agencies] all over the country going bonkers over their meth problems, and yet the ONDCP shoves money at them â?¦ to go look for ditchweed." Using the current arrest numbers as a guide, St. Pierre figures that a pot smoker is arrested every 40 seconds â?? "it's just a totally skewed priority," he said.
Coincidentally, also on Sept. 18, just hours after the FBI released its latest arrest figures, the 40-second spotlight shone on Willie Nelson, who was ticketed for having a pound and a half of pot and several ounces of psychedelic mushrooms on board his tour bus.
Reportedly, Nelson's bus was traveling down I-10 outside Lafayette, La., on Monday when he was pulled over for a routine â?? ahem â?? commercial vehicle inspection. When the bus door opened, the officer smelled pot and began a search of the bus.
While anyone else caught with that amount of pot and 'shrooms would've been carted off to the pokey faster than you can say, "Whiskey River," Nelson and three others, including his sister, slid through with misdemeanor tickets â?? but not before local officers hightailed it over to the bus, a source tells the Chronicle, to get their pictures taken with the Red Headed Stranger. Perhaps that's punishment enough.
Finally, in an attempt to further its anti-drug message, the ONDCP has taken to cyberspace, posting a number of its ridiculous just-say-no-esque ad spots on YouTube.com. Ironically, the drug czar's office has used the same key words â?? pot, weed, ganja, etc. â?? to tag its spots as those used by everyone else loading pot-related videos onto the site, meaning viewers will get to compare the pro-pot videos of, say, NORML to those of the anti-pot ONDCP. Let the duel begin

They are looking for people just like us everyday and for the very reasons I said.

Zandor, im talking about England, not America, so infact i AM right.
In UK the police are going after the big producers, and the gangs, not the small growers.

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Originally Posted by LIP

Zandor, im talking about England, not America, so infact i AM right.
In UK the police are going after the big producers, and the gangs, not the small growers.

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Really?

Well you are across the pond and I am not so you may know England far better then I would. But the Report I heard on Monday still say's they are after even small personal grows as well. The press conference I hear was asking for people to turn in their neighbor and walk about and smell the air. If they smell a strange odor they should call and then he gave a phone number. But I guess he was talking about smelling big grows.

Cool thanks for clearing that up for the UK then. :thumbsup:

i hear what your saying Zandor, im not sure what the media in the US is like, but the UK media does like to make a big song and dance about these things for two reasons, 1. it calms the public down and satifies the ignorant masses that action is being taken, and 2, it sells newspapers.


on a slightly more encoraging note, heres an article i found, i belive its old, written just after cannabis was downgraded in the UK, but it shows that the situations not as grim as mr.berrys mum thinks it is, wich i think will please mr. berrys. lol


"Home cultivation of cannabis is so widespread that it may now account for as much as half of all consumption in Britain. But there are wide discrepancies in the way that police and the courts apply the laws against cultivation, which will be left unchanged after Government plans make possession of cannabis a less serious offence.

New research for the Joseph Rowntree Foundation highlights an increasing tendency for cannabis users to ‘grow their own’, making them less dependent on the international trade in narcotics. It suggests that some cultivation is by commercial dealers, but much is on a small scale for personal use or use by friends.

It also describes how the home-grown market is supported by a thriving, legal trade in cannabis seeds and horticultural equipment – including soil-less ‘hydroponic’ cultivation systems and lighting – that can be purchased through magazines, the internet and even garden centres.

The report is being published in the same week as the United Nations General Assembly Special Session (UNGASS) meets in Vienna to review international action against illegal drugs.

The researchers, at South Bank University’s Criminal Policy Research Unit and the National Addiction Centre at King’s College London, surveyed practice in English and Welsh police forces, reviewed the law and enforcement arrangements in other countries, and examined the requirements of the United Nations conventions on illicit drugs. They also surveyed 37 cannabis growers. Their findings led them to divide cannabis cultivators into five different groups:

Sole-use growers, who cultivated cannabis for personal use or use with friends. They tended to view cultivation as a hobby where they could save money and avoid contact with dealers.
Medical growers, who used the drug to relieve the symptoms of long-term conditions, such as multiple sclerosis.
Social growers, who wanted to ensure a good quality supply for themselves and friends.
Social/commercial growers cultivating for themselves and friends, but also selling the cannabis to provide an income.
Commercial growers cultivating the drug to make money and sell to any potential customer.
The cultivators who were interviewed used a variety of growing techniques, depending largely on their knowledge and technical expertise, and achieved very variable yields from their ‘crops’.

Home Office statistics show that 458 offenders were cautioned for cannabis cultivation in 2000, while another 1,502 were convicted in court, including 243 who were sent to prison. However, the police survey revealed how similar offences were treated differently by different forces. Some forces charged growers with ‘production’, which carries a mandatory seven-year prison sentence for a third conviction, while others used the lesser offence of ‘cultivation’.

David Blunkett, the Home Secretary, has announced that possession offences will usually attract on-the-spot warnings and confiscation when cannabis is reclassified as a Class C drug later in the year. The report discusses ways in which the police and courts might treat cultivation of cannabis for personal use on a par with possession.

One possibility would be to leave the law unchanged, but for the police, prosecutors and the courts to receive guidance about the circumstances when home growers should be given on-the-spot warnings. This guidance could be based on the weight of cannabis or the number of confiscated plants.

Another option would be to create new offences of ‘social supply’ and ‘social cultivation’ of cannabis – defined as growing and distributing the drug non-commercially to friends – and for guidance to be issued about the way that these offences should be dealt with by the police and the courts.

The report notes that a UK decision to change the law so small-scale cultivation of cannabis was treated in a similar way to possession would not contravene the UN drug conventions. But it would bring British law into line with many other developed nations – including the Netherlands and Switzerland, where enforcement policy deliberately seeks to draw cannabis users away from criminal suppliers who may also try to sell them more harmful drugs like heroin and cocaine.

Prof. Mike Hough of South Bank University, co-author of the report, said: “The Government has decided to re-classify cannabis as a Class C drug, with less serious penalties for possession. Yet debate has so far ignored the issue of cultivation and the opportunities for careful reform that would reduce the harm caused by dangerous drugs and drug dealing.

“Large minorities of young people use cannabis. It is essential to insulate them as much as possible from drug markets operated by dealers who sell not only cannabis but crack and heroin. If small-scale home cultivation attracted an on-the-spot warning rather than a caution or a court conviction, it is likely that more users would switch to growing their own and stop buying from dealers. As their profits from cannabis sales diminished, criminal entrepreneurs could be forced to abandon the cannabis market altogether.”

Dame Ruth Runciman, Chair of the Foundation’s Drug and Alcohol Research Committee, and formerly Chair of the Police Foundation’s Independent Inquiry into the Misuse of Drugs Act, said: “I very much hope that the Government will pay close attention to the anomalies highlighted by this report and to the range of policy options that it identifies. In particular, it seems likely that a more careful distinction in law between social and commercial cultivation could be used to drive a wedge between users and the criminally sophisticated gangs who might otherwise try to sell them more harmful, Class A drugs as well as cannabis.”

Note to Editors
A growing market: The domestic cultivation of cannabis by Mike Hough, Hamish Warburton, Bradley Few, Tiggey May, Lan-Ho Man, John Witton and Paul J. Turnbull is published by the Joseph Rowntree Foundation and available from York Publishing Services, 64 Hallfield Road, York YO31 7ZQ (01904 430033), price £13.95 plus £2 p&p.

A summary of the findings is available here.

For further information contact:
Prof. Mike Hough 020-7815 5818 (office)
Paul Turnbull 0207 815 8459 (office)

Issued by David Utting, Associate Director (Public Affairs) 020-7278 9665 / [email protected] "

im currently looking for some up to date practical info on UK law, but my judgment tells me, if you get caught with a single light 8 plant grow, and there are not other "illegal" activites to consider, the worst your looking at is having your equpiment confiscated and getting a fine.

i will post up when i find somthing...

just to add, when they say 14 years prison, thats concerning commercial grows with a potential value of ten of thousands of pounds, and even then, you caould be out in a year, rapists and poedophiles generally only serve less than ten yers when jailed, which is disgusting, but it proves a point, ypu wont get locked up for a small personal grow.

damn, thats quite concerning. but, hell, thats a lot of busts for one county, and you dont say what the consequences were, i suspect they were pretty much nothing for the lower ammounts....thats just what got found, not how much time got served.
the ammount of people that didnt get busted is probably 10 times that, the ones mentioned were the stupid chavs/crims that got caught out, and so they should.

the courts are going to be harsh with people growing two hundred plants, its obviously a commercial grow designed to make profit by means of growing with the sole intention to make money from an illegal operation....organised crime in other words.

thats in a whole different world to someone who is growing 8 plants for personal use because they dont want to be involved with "organised crime"


i dont care what anyone on this board says, having anymore than ten plants on the go at any one time, is not soley for personal use.

thats like saying, im an alcaholic, so im going to open a brewery.

The police are jokes. They are trying to inforce a law which doesnt work.

It's a plant, they can bust as many people as they like, they could bust EVERY grower in the UK, but the next day they'rd be just as many plants as there was before all this shit.

They're having a laugh, getting the public to do thier work. We pay our Tax for nothing.

i had pigs at my door this morning, i was sure they were coming for my plants, (i was shitting myself, and they could tell :)) still, they werent there for my plants after all, they had found a red bike, and wanted to know if it was mine, - it takes 2 officers to ask about a bike! i was fuckin outraged, i gave them no answer and simply started goin at them sayin shit like 'why dont you stop wasting your time and go bust some real crime!' 'fuckin time wasters' and so i told them i dont have a red bike, and to leave me alone as i was in the middle of an important phonecall.

They looked like they were about to cry!!! hahahahaha, fuckin pigs, i dont know why i got so angry, they were just doing their job, but as a smoker and grower i felt giving them shit was a duty i must uphold, therefore i did, with pride, dont be afraid to tell police what you think, after all, they never listen.