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Does anyone think that within this lifetime a transition to a higher vibratory plane is going to occur for the entire planet?

This is the thing that happens and we call it "death". Only with death we do not keep our bodies, we lose them and must go to this higher plane in a "spirit" form.

Supposedly, this is the last age of materialism on earth, and it's ending only within a few years, the earth will shake and rumble, destroy all life on it, and those who are the peak evolutions of the planet, those who are "ahead" in the game we've all been playing for about 16.4 Billion years are going to be able to "carry" their physical bodies over to the other side. And then still exist on this planet, because the planet itself along with the entire solar system, is going through this very same transition for the first time and it's own energies will raise and become 4th/5th dimensional.

This is supposedly what "Jesus" was talking about when he talked about moving to another sacred place and taking on a new form and body, this is what metaphysics describes and many "prophets" or meditators. Most eastern knowledges cover this, while in the west it's only taught as myth.

What do you think? Do you think this will happen within your lifetime?

"What do you think? Do you think this will happen within your lifetime?"

I suppose the logical question is how do you know all this to be true? Because honestly, it sounds like something the Hale Bopp guy came up with while he was mixing the koolade.

Some of the basics are there though. As a species we do need to evolve into more responsible, civilized and sophisticated beings, to match our advanced knowledge and technology. How that's going to come about though, remains to be seen. I imagine we're probably going to get our asses kicked until we wise up. Until then it's going to be a tough row to hoe.

Higher vibratory plane? What is vibrating? What is this flat surface made out of? Where is it? What is creating the energy that is driving the vibration, and how are you measuring the vibration's frequency?

Until I see some evidence that "vibratory planes" exist in the first place, I'm not exactly equipped to form beliefs about how they operate and what their effects on humanity are.

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Originally Posted by Hamlet

"What do you think? Do you think this will happen within your lifetime?"

how do you know all this to be true?

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Read.

Read.
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Read.

Meditate.

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Originally Posted by Oneironaut

Higher vibratory plane?

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Yes.

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What is vibrating?

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Absolutely everything.

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What is this flat surface made out of?

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Wood?

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Where is it?

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In front of yoU?

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What is creating the energy that is driving the vibration,

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A quantum energy potential. An infinite soup of energy existing in space/time, constantly manifesting and creating this universe particle after particle.

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and how are you measuring the vibration's frequency?

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I'm not aware of this.

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Until I see some evidence that "vibratory planes" exist in the first place, I'm not exactly equipped to form beliefs about how they operate and what their effects on humanity are.

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Your current belief system is not needed to be altered for reality to exist, it does not work that way.

I've read widely I would hope, and meditated, and have done for nearly 25 years, and I also believe in the quantum reality you describe, but I don't believe that we're about to go anywhere or 'change planes'. The whole idea of the 'last age' that some traditions talk about has been hi-jacked by all kinds of fundamentalists into meaning everything from the second coming to our transit through one of our galaxies molecular clouds. I don't buy it, it's yet another New Age scare story.

MelT

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Originally Posted by ate

Your current belief system is not needed to be altered for reality to exist, it does not work that way.

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Umm, I'm not doubting the existence of reality. I firmly believe in reality. Reality, and nothing else.

I don't think you have a very good grasp of quantum mechanics, and I'm intrigued to know from what physicist you got the idea of a "plane" (two-dimensional surface) that is "vibrating". Your idea of everything "vibrating" reminds me of string theory, but if that's the kind of vibration you're talking about, I don't want to achieve a higher vibratory "plane", because then all my electrons, protons and neutrons would suddenly become other particles and the whole atomic structure of my body would not be able to function correctly. Well, actually only a cross-section of my body. It would have to be a vibratory cube or sphere or something to encompass the entire three-dimensional space that I inhabit.

"how do you know all this to be true?


Read.

Read.
Read

Read."

I do read...a lot. But I'm guessing you're getting your physics from the Celestine Prophesy instead of a physics book. The New Age isle at Barnes and Noble is a lot of fun of course, but most of it really does need to be catagorized as fiction.

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Originally Posted by Oneironaut

Umm, I'm not doubting the existence of reality. I firmly believe in reality. Reality, and nothing else.

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Sorry sorry sorry, I didn't mean "plane" as in a two-dimensional surface, it was just a method of portraying thoughts.

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Originally Posted by Hamlet

"how do you know all this to be true?


Read.

Read.
Read

Read."

I do read...a lot. But I'm guessing you're getting your physics from the Celestine Prophesy instead of a physics book. The New Age isle at Barnes and Noble is a lot of fun of course, but most of it really does need to be catagorized as fiction.

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No. Simply put. What you believe to be false. Is true. And what you believe as impossible. Will happen and will continue to happen. The universe is vast.

Now.

For one to understand these things you have to have a connection to what one might symoblize as your "higher self'. So. If you want to understand. I say meditate. Meditation never helped me find my higher self. But it seems to help others.

This is not theory. This is not suspended logic, myth, fantasy, or a book quality. It is experience.

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Originally Posted by ate

Sorry sorry sorry, I didn't mean "plane" as in a two-dimensional surface, it was just a method of portraying thoughts.

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If you're going to proclaim the existence of this mystical "plane" thing, you might want to establish exactly what it is and what evidence you have that it exists.

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Originally Posted by ate

For one to understand these things you have to have a connection to what one might symoblize as your "higher self'. So. If you want to understand. I say meditate. Meditation never helped me find my higher self. But it seems to help others.

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Well, I'm lucky then. I do have a connection with my 'higher self' through direct experience. Nothing has come my way regarding a change in the Universe. No portents, no signs. Perhaps I'm not on the guest list, or maybe my notification got lost in the post?:)

.[/QUOTE]This is not theory. This is not suspended logic, myth, fantasy, or a book quality. It is experience.[/QUOTE]

How is it experience? What has made it anything more than conjecture and a broad interpretation of anything and everything that would seem to fit in with this prophecy? Saying 'The Universe is vast' doesn't mean anything at all.

MelT

I don't think this will go anywhere ate. I don't think you can give the strictly defined word choice that some members will require for understanding within the scope of what you're talking about.

Its rough, because I think I'm sympathetic to what you're trying to say, but even I take a step back and think that you might be confusing insight for enlightenment.

In answer to your original query, I think the higher plane idea is a lot like gods and demons and all that good stuff. Meant to make a point, but not necessarily to be taken literally.

The evolution of enlightenment. Eventually things get better on their own...? I wonder.

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Originally Posted by MelT

Well, I'm lucky then. I do have a connection with my 'higher self' through direct experience. Nothing has come my way regarding a change in the Universe. No portents, no signs. Perhaps I'm not on the guest list, or maybe my notification got lost in the post?:)

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:) You get what you ask for.

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How is it experience?

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:) Exactly. You'd have to experience the thoughts yourself to know. Although you can learn enough non-experientially. For example the cycles of the galaxy and solar system and which ones humanity is entering next.

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What has made it anything more than conjecture and a broad interpretation of anything and everything that would seem to fit in with this prophecy?

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To you. Nothing.

To those who experience knowing it, that very subjective experience.

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Saying 'The Universe is vast' doesn't mean anything at all.
MelT

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Yes.


It does.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcBV-cXVWFw

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I don't think this will go anywhere ate. I don't think you can give the strictly defined word choice that some members will require for understanding within the scope of what you're talking about.

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What you said is likely. I'll still try.

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Its rough, because I think I'm sympathetic to what you're trying to say, but even I take a step back and think that you might be confusing insight for
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How so? I'll say that I'm sure this is not enlightenment, and I'm sure this is not insight alone, so could you fill me in one why you think it is? Thanks.

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In answer to your original query, I think the higher plane idea is a lot like gods and demons and all that good stuff. Meant to make a point, but not necessarily to be taken literally.

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For one. Please explain why you think gods and demons fall into this. Show me WHERE those concept fall into this. Then I will tell you where I think they fall into this. I am not aware of this being a symbolic reference for archetypical understanding, it's something else, you can say for sure.

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The evolution of enlightenment. Eventually things get better on their own...? I wonder.

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>>>Exactly. You'd have to experience the thoughts yourself to know.

And what makes you think I haven't? Enlightenment contains nothing that you're talking about. Are you saying you've personally had a prophetic insight that did? If so I'd be interested to hear it.

>>Although you can learn enough non-experientially. For example the cycles of the galaxy and solar system and which ones humanity is entering next.

What are your sources? There are tens of books spouting this kind of stuff in every New Age shop in the world, full of prophecies that never happen and misinterpretations of a thousand real texts. The best lies are based in someone else's truth.

Take something like african civilisation. In an effort to prove that africans were the source of knowledge in ancient Egypt you'll see a good number of otherwise fine sites proclaiming that El Khemet, the old name for Egypt and the area around the northern Nile, means 'Land of the Black people'. Unfortunately it actually means 'the black land', with reference to the fact that the flood land around the nile IS black and very fertile. This name came through arabic and ended up in english as 'Alchemy' the ability to change one thing into something more precious, which is exactly what the Black Land did.

But, for anyone who has read one of these websites without knowing what the truth is, the name will forever mean 'Land of the Black People'. People read the Celestine Prophecies and the Da Vinci Code and believe them true because they have no other knowledge of the things they talk about. You have no basis for what you've said, all you're doing is trying to prove someone else's ideas.

I really can not buy into anything you're saying because I can't see any form of reference, truth, proof or solid basis in anything you've said. Of course, whether I or anyone else believes you is neither here nor there, I know that, this is just an open forum. But if you're going to try to appear sane and believable to the rest of the world then you have to start talking in real terms rather than coyly alluding to the idea that you know more than the rest of us.


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What has made it anything more than conjecture and a broad interpretation of anything and everything that would seem to fit in with this prophecy?


>>To you. Nothing.

Not just to me, but any other sane person who had a reasonable grasp of the way that facts and people can be manipulated. You can't make this personal and say it's just me who doesn't believe you. You can't say either that it's because of my lack of understanding or direct experience within meditation. This is just the same old same old I've heard for the last 40 odd years, that's been trotted out for as long as there've been books. Where is the evidence for what you're saying?

>>To those who experience knowing it, that very subjective experience.

Weeeelllll, I have experienced direct knowing, and a number of other people I know have too. No mention of this shift though. Not a word, not a hint. It would be a very strange experience of enlightenment or even a minor glimpse that contained the added idea that mankind is about to move to another vibratory plane, whatever that's meant to mean:)


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Saying 'The Universe is vast' doesn't mean anything at all.


>Yes.

>It does.

No.

It doesn't.

I watched the video as I'm a fan of Sagan. The Universe is vast, absolutely. But that still doesn't have anything to do with what you yourself are talking about. You say a shift is due. We ask for the proof and one of the things you offer is that the Universe is vast? LOL!:)

MelT

According to seers and prophets, the end of days has been coming for a very long time. How long? Read this and try to guess its date:

"Our earth is degenerate in these latter days. There are signs that the world is speedily coming to an end. Bribery and corruption are common." This is one of the earliest examples of the perception of moral decay in society being interpreted as a sign of the imminent end.

Any guesses? For the answer go to this site, it contains tens upon tens of unfulfilled Doomsday prophecies - there are over 30 for the year 2000 alone.

http://www.abhota.info/

Note how, when a date comes and goes, the prophets hastily backtrack!:)

MelT

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Enlightenment contains nothing that you're talking about.

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No.

It doesn't.

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I respect your beliefs.

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But that still doesn't have anything to do with what you yourself are talking about.

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I am speaking about the universe.

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You say a shift is due. We ask for the proof and one of the things you offer is that the Universe is vast? LOL!:)

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You don't need to have proof to understand or see this, it happens simultaneously. It's a bit reduntant to ask for proof of your own existence. This is no different.

-DETATEA

I'm so sad now. :(

I typed out a long response but it never came through.

Basically I want to help you with your understanding of "vibratory planes" and what not. I want to post something that may help you. Note, you have a very obscured and distorted perception of me based upon what I read in your post, hopefully we can fix that.

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Tell me if those all came out.

RIP long post that I made. :*(

quote: I'm so sad now.

I typed out a long response but it never came through.

I hate it when that happens too...

quote: Basically I want to help you with your understanding of "vibratory planes" and what not.

LOL, thanks, I don't need any. I'm happy with my comprehension of much of todays QM, string theory, etc. That there can be other dimensions is hardly questionable anymore, I agree that there are. Whether or not any are inhabited is down to purely personal opinion, but...

>>I want to post something that may help you. Note, you have a very obscured and distorted perception of me based upon what I read in your post, hopefully we can fix that.

Well, unfortunately what you've sent hasn't changed my perceptions, it's made them worse (though I have no doubt for a second that you're not a nice person). You still come across as somebody selling Christian ideas whilst trying to seem as though you're asking for a debate on the validity of jesus' so-called prophecy.

But really I've got to say that what lets your whole argument down is your rebuttals themselves. You try to write in a quasi-enlightened way and hint at ancient world knowledge - that you're trying to hi-jack into saying whatever you want. This by you is a cracker example:) :

"You don't need to have proof to understand or see this, it happens simultaneously. It's a bit reduntant to ask for proof of your own existence. This is no different."

You can't talk the talk Ate, drop it. You don't know the right things to say and how you're trying to sound just doesn't work. This is a troll for another jesus thread, not a debate.

Do your reply by all means, I'm outta here. I don't want this thread to be active any longer than it has to be....

Bye
MelT

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Whether or not any are inhabited is down to purely personal opinion, but...

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No it isn't. It's down to the way things work, and the way they've been for as long as they've existed.

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Well, unfortunately what you've sent hasn't changed my perceptions, it's made them worse

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Care to explain?

You still come across as somebody selling Christian ideas whilst trying to seem as though you're asking for a debate on the validity of jesus' so-called prophecy.
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Nah. I'm not a religionist.

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You try to write in a quasi-enlightened way and hint at ancient world knowledge

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Hahaha, that's slightly amusing, although I don't try anything, I just type and that's it.

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You can't talk the talk Ate, drop it.

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I wasn't aware there was anything to drop. :)

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You don't know the right things to say and how you're trying to sound just doesn't work.

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What are the right things to say?! There are no right things to say, we just speak the truth and from our hearts and that's all there is. Thinking along the lines of "right" and "wrong" is trying too hard! It's a false conception and will lead you in circles!

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I'm outta here.

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Ok, bye then.

the earth won't end in a few years.

Sorry man, it's all guruspeak....very lofty sounding but void of meaning. Walk on water or vibrate the end of a war and it might be worth the effort to try to squeeze some insight out of it. Until then it's just someone else claiming they're more enlightened than everybody else.

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the earth won't end in a few years.

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Nope! But humanity's awareness will drastically change!

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Sorry man, it's all guruspeak....very lofty sounding but void of meaning. Walk on water or vibrate the end of a war and it might be worth the effort to try to squeeze some insight out of it. Until then it's just someone else claiming they're more enlightened than everybody else.

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That's a good point of view, but does it gain you anything? Think optimistacally. Those things have already happened.

Yes, I can safely say it does. Healthy skepticism keeps one off the Hale Bopp ride and out of Waco. Optimism is a good thing but must always be taken with a healthy dose of wisdom.

It would be nice to believe that Atlantis will rise, the age of Aquarius will dawn, and the world will turn into one groovy place. But if all that's bullshit it's best to call it bullshit and work with what we've got.

*dies laughing*