Question about my ban and my thread

A few days ago i had a three day ban for reasons Unknown to me. The message I got was "come back with a little better attitude" - as the reason for the ban.

This reason was very vague and too general for me to understand why I was banned. I sent an email to a moderator requesting more detailed information about my ban and the reasoning, but no response.

The thread was called "Update of forum guidelines" or something similiar.

The thread asked for an update of the guidelines to prevent blindsided bans, much like the one that happened to me.

To my knowledge I did not break any of the guidelines with my thread, or in any other thread.

This is the best method I can think of for getting answers on this because how am I supposed to know what gets me banned, when the guidelines won't tell me?

I was banned, I don't know why.

Again, I ask for an update of the forum guidelines so that people fully understand what is allowed to be talked about, and what isn't. This isn't meant as an attack on moderators (even if some feel may feel that way), it is an honest request to avoid future problems.

If I was banned and my thread nuked because I said something wrong, please let know what it was.

How am I supposed to improve on my behaviour when I don't know what I did wrong?

Saying "come back with a little better attitude" does nothing to constructively improve the situation.

Thanks for you're time.

Does this kind of thing happen here often ?
Where do I find the rules ? When I signed up it even said you cant talk about sexual nature things but you have a sex forum. Where are the real rules ?

When you start to question why every thread that we nuke is gone we get a bit tired of having to explain it. General guidelines are posted but common sense states other things.......like the fact this is NOT a weapons site. NOT to wise to be speaking of pot and modifying guns in the same forum. THIS is one of the threads you couldn't understand why it disappeared.

You want to "improve on your behaviour", quit riding our butts about threads being nuked that YOU didn't even start.

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Isayso

Does this kind of thing happen here often ?
Where do I find the rules ? When I signed up it even said you cant talk about sexual nature things but you have a sex forum. Where are the real rules ?

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No, this doesn't happen often.

There are guidelines posted at the top of the forums and in my signature.

As far as the sexual content...we would appreciate it if topics were kept to the proper areas. We don't allow nude pics, child abuse.....just use common horse sense and you'll be VERY cool. Oh ya, no animal stuff either....since I mentioned the horse. LOL

Have a good one and welcome!:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Billionfold

Anyone who sexually abuses a minor should be tied up and kicked in the nuts for awhile.

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for starters

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

When you start to question why every thread that we nuke is gone we get a bit tired of having to explain it. General guidelines are posted but common sense states other things.......like the fact this is NOT a weapons site. NOT to wise to be speaking of pot and modifying guns in the same forum. THIS is one of the threads you couldn't understand why it disappeared.

You want to "improve on your behaviour", quit riding our butts about threads being nuked that YOU didn't even start.

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

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So I was banned because I annoyed a Moderator. Fair enough, that's all I was asking. I was just trying to figure out if I broke a rule or if it was a personal thing.

I realize it isn't a weapons site, it is a marijuana site. The lounge however, has many many non-marijuana topics that seem to be ok, which is why it is confusing to see that a thread got nuked because "it doesn't belong on a pot site", when over 50% of the topics in the lounge or sex forum also don't belong on a pot site.

Why not just say in the forum guidelines, "No violence, gangster or gun talk allowed"? What is common sense to one person isn't common sense to another. While some people may not want talk about guns or violence on their website (which is fine, I don't question your preferences), this kind of topic may be perfectly fine to another person, who does not realize that it isn't ok here, making common sense, vague to understand.

All I was saying with my post is that having it in the guidelines makes it clear to people who don't share the same perception of "common sense" as you do perhaps.

I apologize if you percieved a request to update the guidlines as "riding your butt" because that was not the purpose behind the post. I really thought I was giving honest feedback and suggestions in the feedback and suggestions forum. Now I feel as though I have to tip toe around so I don't strike Mod's nerve if I want to give feedback or make a suggestion.

I realize I did not start the gun thread, you didn't have to point that out to me. My request was made to prevent future problems, perhaps where I make a topic or say something a Mod doesn't like, and I get banned or my thread nuked and I don't know why, because it isn't in the guidelines, and my common sense tells me it's ok to talk about whatever subject it is, when I don't realize a Mod's common sense doesn't coinside with mine. (Because to me, there is nothing wrong with talking about any subjects, I am a free speech kinda guy, so my common sense says "no holds barred")

Anyways thanks for clearing that up Psycho. All I ask is if I get banned again for whatever reason, please state the reason directly so I know not to do whatever it is I did again. For eample, this time it could have read "Don't ride our butts about nuking threads", that would have made it a little bit more clear about what I did wrong, as opposed to "come back with a better attitude", which left me with questions, instead of answers about my wrongdoing.

Just to be clear, this post is feedback and suggestions oriented, I am not trying to annoy or criticize any Mod's. Thanks for your time.

This site is already on the fringe...anything gun related is obviously bad in my book. And I am not anti-gun either.

concernin ur post i noticed psycho's already posted but to answer summit else u said,,i noticed on the email u sent via zandor to the rest of the mods,,,NO mod over rides another mods ban etc,,i dunno where ppl get this idea from,,zan aint the boss as the rest of us aint,,we ALL make the desisions on here so 'suckin' up to one perticular mod dont work,,,,us mods have a job to do an u have no idea how many posts that r against the rules so to speak so get deleted..then get bitched at for doin our jobs...

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Originally Posted by hunny

concernin ur post i noticed psycho's already posted but to answer summit else u said,,i noticed on the email u sent via zandor to the rest of the mods,,,NO mod over rides another mods ban etc,,i dunno where ppl get this idea from,,zan aint the boss as the rest of us aint,,we ALL make the desisions on here so 'suckin' up to one perticular mod dont work,,,,us mods have a job to do an u have no idea how many posts that r against the rules so to speak so get deleted..then get bitched at for doin our jobs...

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I only emailed one Mod, yes. I never had the idea that one mod would override the decisions of another. I was definately not sucking up to the mod, or asking for an unban, as you've probably read in the email. In fact, I suspected the mods shared emails from users regarding such issues, which is why I only bothered to send one mod an email. I was, however disappointed at the lack of response. I felt ignored, especialy seeing as how my email was constructed tactfully and respectfully, yet apparently still didn't deserve a reply.

I wouldn't bother to go through so much trouble with these emails and messages if I didn't feel I had a valid point.

I was getting the feeling that I was banned, not for breaking any rules, or stepping out of line, or doing something that could be considered "bad for the site", but because I hit on the emotions of a single mod, or multiple mods for questioning the justifications for actions I felt were derived not in the interest of the forums, but for emotional/personal (perhaps pride) reasons, and I felt this was unfair, thus the point in going through all of this trouble in the first place.

(If I told someone to fuck off (flamed), or mentioned m.o.m., or tried to sell or promote products, or was racist, or threatened anyone, and I got banned for it, you wouldn't have heard a peep from me. This just feels like back in the dirty thirties when people questioned the actions of police officers and they got "attitude adjustments" for talking back. I use that as my example because of the ban message that read "come back with a better attitude", when I honestly felt as though my attitude was in check, and my post was respectfully written with tact and with good intention.)

I am absolutely empathetic, and agree with your whole statement hunny, and thank you for your response. I totaly agree with banning anything against the rules, my concern was with things not posted in the rules only.

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Originally Posted by Billionfold

Common sense isn't.

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Common sense isn't what? I'm not sure what you are saying there.



I know that common sense isn't always as "common" as people may think it to be. Different people have different perceptions of what "common sense" is, which makes it rather difficult to state as a universal rule.

For example: To be perfectly honest, I did not assume that talk about guns being a forbidden subject would be common sense. I don't see why it isn't allowed. Perhaps other people's common sense tells them it shouldn't be allowed, while others still (such as myself), do not share that perception. See where using the reason of "common sense" becomes flawed due to vagueness?

Again, saying "because it doesn't belong on a pot forum" could be applied to over half of the topics in the lounge, so obviously something not being related to pot isn't a viable reason to nuke it, because if that were the case, anything not pot related would be nuked, which doesn't happen.

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Originally Posted by Billionfold

Would you just quit bitching and conform?

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I really wish I could, my life would be much simpler. Unfortuanately however, my desire for an enlightened view on suppressed issues is too powerful to ignore and let fall to conformity.

I've noticed that I have not been banned for this current thread, even though this thread goes into much deeper detail on the subject matter of the thread that was nuked and got me banned.

Perhaps I am not hurting the forums with the subject?

Perhaps I am not out of line with my concern?

Perhaps I am operating within the rules of the forums?

Perhaps I make a legitamite point?

Perhaps I am not attacking any moderators, or doing anything to cause disciplinary action? (Seeing as this IS a feedback and suggestions forum and I assume all non-flamatory, constructive, respectful, tactfull points are not only permitted, but encouraged for the greater good of the message boards?)




Perhaps............. I shouldn't have been banned to begin with?

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Originally Posted by Billionfold

Common sense isn't. Excactly what it says.
Common sense, is not common.

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Oh yeah, I see now. Good point.

In the gun thread you neither created it or even posted on it. The DEA thread, as you like to call it, you decided to try to get into a piss match with both me and Kiwi. Neither of the ones that posted these threads were banned or bitched about the fact of these threads being deleted.

If your mission here is to piss, moan and complain.....don't come back. MAYBE we'll see ya in 30???

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

seems a nasty job but somebody has to do it ,,,, moderate i mean
lol

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Originally Posted by Billionfold

Would you just quit bitching and conform?

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LOL can I use that in my sig?

WOW, I really am new at these chat rooms. OK threads are new to me. I mean I see them in my vision sometimes - like, in my eyeballs. I usually have to smoke some more herb - this helps with the thread like lines in my eyeballs. Yet somehow we are talking about this chat room, right. I like computers but have limited knowledge other than surfing. ICP and other complicated things are beyond me.
I am sorry that one of you had to be suspended for a while - what did you say, dude? Well, actually don't repeat it again, suposedly.
I guess there are moderators who listen(read) these postings and then remove anything that is too offensive.;)
The point is that I am rarely offended by anything. In fact the more disgusting and weird... the more interesting it is, so.... if I had to decide I would have to say "let freedom bells ring" and "freedom of speech".
All HAIL the might moderators.
I guess that they are deserving of some respect for monitoring the postings. Wow, someone is actually reading this. Like duh, yea.:thumbsup:

what I see a lot of, isn't so much the reasons for banning, it's people that have piss-poor attitudes, then get banned, and then pound the Moderators with gripes over their banning ... if you're banned, wait out your period, and GET OVER IT ... it won't do any good to whine ... ever see a baseball umpire change his mind after being chewed out by a manager ? ... NO, it's all for show ... just USE the Forum for its intended uses, and quit complaining about what it features, or doesn't feature ... people sure do expect a LOT from a FREE website ... my bottom line: just because you can post here, doesn't give you 'bitching privileges" ... sheesh ! ... :smokin:

feaston
u need 2 get with the program,just like every1 else
u dont like it then just leave
the mods here do a great job
quit bithin
dude
or stfu

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Originally Posted by the image reaper

my bottom line: just because you can post here, doesn't give you 'bitching privileges" ... sheesh ! ... :smokin:

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I have an idea. What if they renamed this sub-section? Feedback and Suggestions ARE basically bitching. Anything that isn't positive is immediately considered a hassle and the argument almost always ends with a ban.
Wtf is the point then? Most of the arguments have no point to begin with, especially becuase the Moderators are the ones being pushed around, but they're the boss. It just doesn't work like that, no moderator will ever bow down and take it like a bitch from some whiny member.
So, why not rename this part, Technical Problems or something? Those threads are the only ones that seem to have a point.

that's a good idea, the "Technical Problems" forum, ... because this one has become "Dump on A Mod" ... :D

So, he got banned agian for seeking an explaination and giving feedback in the feedback forum ? Sure some of it was rather repetative but he wasnt getting an answer. Some goot points feastonthisshit and I noticed that none of them were adressed.
Looking for reason is futile. There is no consistancy and no real rule base that is used to measure behavior.
Its largely personal opinion with little concern for facts and posted policy.
Some mods are great, and do a wonderful job keeping it clean and fun, and fair.... while others are triggerhappy and totalitarian and create an unfriendly environment.
Thats my feedback. And I repeat:Some mods are great, and do a wonderful job keeping it clean and fun, and fair....
My suggestion is for admin to pay attention to the climate of his own site or just watch members forced out and canncom turn into baked.com.
Not everyone getting the boot is an ass. And not everyone leaving without a ban is either.
Oh-the-site-it-is-a-changin'

so far, everybody I've seen banned was an asshole that needed banning, (and a bunch more that should have been banned), in my humble opinion, of course :D ... there are a couple of mods here, that dont take any crap, and ban quickly, and I also have agreed with their actions ... I find it remarkable that so many people think they have the 'right' to tell a website how to conduct their business ... this website is a privately-owned object, it is like telling someone what color to paint their house ... it's not our place to demand anything ... if you don't like it, leave it ... if you have thought of a better way to run this website, make your suggestions, and then, get on with your life ... if they use your suggestions, well, good for you ... if not, so what ? ... go build your own website ... (one pain-in-the-ass member here, got so mad, he went and made his own website, which failed miserably, and he apologetically returned here ... seems this website business isn't the piece-of-cake it was thought to be) ... either way, relax, go with the flow, and "learn more, to grow more" ...
actually, my only complaint with the website is the growing population of people giving grow advice, that have no idea what they're fucking talking about, which gets new growers off on the wrong foot ... if you don't KNOW, don't POST ... :smokin:

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Originally Posted by the image reaper

so far, everybody I've seen banned was an asshole that needed banning, (and a bunch more that should have been banned), in my humble opinion, of course :D ... there are a couple of mods here, that dont take any crap, and ban quickly, and I also have agreed with their actions ... I find it remarkable that so many people think they have the 'right' to tell a website how to conduct their business ... this website is a privately-owned object, it is like telling someone what color to paint their house ... it's not our place to demand anything ... if you don't like it, leave it ... if you have thought of a better way to run this website, make your suggestions, and then, get on with your life ... if they use your suggestions, well, good for you ... if not, so what ? ... go build your own website ... (one pain-in-the-ass member here, got so mad, he went and made his own website, which failed miserably, and he apologetically returned here ... seems this website business isn't the piece-of-cake it was thought to be) ... either way, relax, go with the flow, and "learn more, to grow more" ...
actually, my only complaint with the website is the growing population of people giving grow advice, that have no idea what they're fucking talking about, which gets new growers off on the wrong foot ... if you don't KNOW, don't POST ... :smokin:

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Yes a lot of "assholes" have been banned. But , I maintain not all banned people acted like assholes. And, not all assholes that should be banned get banned. There is a lack of consistancy is what I was saying.
moving on:
Yes, feastonthisshit seemed to go on and on and on and gave the impression of bitching more than seeking answers and giving feedback and suggestions. He did however make some valid points and some logical conclusions. Those were ignored.
moving on:
Yes it is a privately owned site and what admin has laid out as groundrules should be respected...by all members regardless if they are mods or not. That said, rules made up as people go along or according to one persons feelings should get posted so people know what the rules are. Asking some members to be held to a different set of rules than other members are tolerated to get away with is not right. Asking members to read minds regarding what each mod determines to be violations of the rules creates an unfriendly environment. In most cases its petty, but when it leads to member bans when they ask for clarification it goes beyond that. Trying to understand policy is not something someone should be banned for.
The feeling of community is dying. Ive read it time and time again, and watched respected members leave due to it.
moving on:
Yes, tokosan was an ass. And, his forum was like tokosan world. Not a place I preferred, however some did. He had a strange sense of humor that guy.
moving on:
Not trying to create too many waves, just trying to explain my opinion.
And once again, most moderators do a wonderful job. SOme are down right sweethearts and/or solid guys. SOME, not all.
Now, Im outa this conversation before I get banned too.

happy posting.

UNREAL!!!

Ya see, when people that are new put in bitch posts and mention folks that haven't been on this site for a LONG time it makes us wonder what is up. We then proceed to check over I.P.s and cross ref. to ban lists ONLY to find out that the bitcher just happens to be member that got banned a day before the bitchers account was activated AND that the I.P.s match.

Just a heads up.......if ya get a perm. ban then manage to sneek back in, don't play the fool....stay low and play it mellow, like ya should have done in the first place.

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

:p ha ha maybe mods are under to much pressure and starting to crack:pimp:

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Originally Posted by Budman37

:p ha ha maybe mods are under to much pressure and starting to crack:pimp:

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Originally Posted by Budman37

The fact that moderators are writing responses to try to make those peole look stupid by saying LOOK DIDNT YOU READ THIS....simple means to me that they either have not bought it to try out or really dont care.

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Ya know dude, all this crap combined with your nice lil' thread is enough. I got two choices........either put up with this for no reason or deal with ya. When ya blow enough smoke up my ass I eventually fart! See ya in 30 since 3 didn't make ya any wiser.

Have a good one!:thumbsup: