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has the clay pot said there is no potter?
interesting, iv read alot here and im not surprised to hear what i'v heard. why when god's name enters the mind people are more prone to reject his being? has the clay pot said to itself i have no potter? has the human body said i know where to put my heart? has the DNA code said i wrote this myself? why dosent the ear smell and the nose hears? has the bones placed themself on a drawing board and said this is how man should be put together? tell me, has man put together the earth? if so make another one. send sun to shine in the day and light up the sky and at night stars to decorate it. how did you know that sun rays can grow trees and effect the earth in many ways then put yourself here to live. was the womans birth your idea or did you get lazy on how to bring new human being to life with out your help? and how did you make the human mind so men can live in the true sence of free will? and why did you take so long to learn how to travel on land and sea and air? why not bring that to being too when you made the earth? why didnt you teach the egyptions how to make guns? and why pyramids and not sky scrappers? but then you loose faith in yourself and use science to research something that you did. then you cause people to round up the knowledge you used to make the earth as religeon. tell me, have you heard god's vioce walkin in the dew of the day and hid yourself? has the knowledge of good and evil opened your mind to your own death? are you mad that the way to life everlasting is beyond your reach and the works of your hands, are you mad that the way is not of your creation but from a path you know not? but like a woman at labor about to give birth, theres nothing she can do at that piont, its out of her control, her body WILL give birth to that child, so is your own death. at that hour your thoughts do perish and it is this out of your control thing that makes you reject god. you have control over your own flesh but not the life in it. now that instructions has bin giving to you concerning this matter you accept it not but instead divide it and call it religeon, so that it has no power and everything remains in your control. "so you think" your emagination has hid nothing from you, the works of your hands has increased and has spawned from your own mind. so why have you created evil inventions to kill rather than sustain life? or is war just your plessure? you created the earth to live forever but not yourself. that was stupid as smart as you are. basically my piont is, if we reject the only record of god on this earth then there is no understanding, we beleive what we want and die that way. that is a sad exsistance. so tell me has the clay pot said i have no potter?
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has the clay pot said there is no potter?
That's a lot of questions for sure. But clay pots don't ask questions and men do. And a really big question is "the only record of god on this earth". That's a question ya gotta ask yourself. So you read the book for yourself (without some bullshit preacher twisting it around to suit him) and the reasonable answer is 'not bloody likely'.
The second part of that sentence "there is no understanding" kinda falls off when you think that man didn't really gain much understanding (like all the examples about DNA n' such in your speech) until he decided that these self-appointed prophets were feeding him a bunch of crapola.
Sorry man, the flowery talk doesn't work on us any more. We've been sold snake oil too many times and we've got our eyes open now.
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has the clay pot said there is no potter?
Ah that old monotheistic nutshell; "we're designed, so that proves there's a designer". Men go around proclaiming that the existence of a designed being can only be the result of a designer, it only makes sense after all. A pot cannot mold itself, a cellphone cannot construct itself, and so obviously a human being cannot build itself. The only problem here is that the claypot-to-human analogoy conveniently ignores the built in biological mechanism that's been proven to exist in all organisms, that being genetic mutation. Whether or not you believe in evolution, genetic mutation causes environmental adaptation as is shown in all natural systems, showing that indeed a designer is not a necessary prerequisite to design. Really all this "god" concept is, is a piece that can fit into any part of the puzzle. But until we see this god, he's only a concept, a nice little idea that proposes a possible explanation to our current situation in existence. and until pots start developing a genetic code prone to occasional mutation, I'm not considering any such comparrision logically admissable.
oh, here's a guy proving there's a god as well...
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?doc...q=proof+of+god
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has the clay pot said there is no potter?
[quote=Hamlet]That's a lot of questions for sure. But clay pots don't ask questions and men do. And a really big question is "the only record of god on this earth". That's a question ya gotta ask yourself. So you read the book for yourself (without some bullshit preacher twisting it around to suit him) and the reasonable answer is 'not bloody likely'.
The second part of that sentence "there is no understanding" kinda falls off when you think that man didn't really gain much understanding (like all the examples about DNA n' such in your speech) until he decided that these self-appointed prophets were feeding him a bunch of crapola.
Sorry man, the flowery talk doesn't work on us any more. We've been sold snake oil too many times and we've got our eyes open now.[/QUOTE
exactly what mean. you miss the piont of the parable and took it literally. i know pots dont talk but can anything made with intellegence have no intellegent creator? you went with something more easy for you to handle. the emagination has brought forth many things and in this man has understanding. we know the works of the flesh but not the life in it. when i say no understanding i mean we dont know our position here on earth related to god. we rather beleive in something that keeps us in control and all knowledge in our hands "so we think" if what i ask is wrong then bring back your life after your death and show me that man has brought himself forth from nothing. so my question still stands " has the clay pot said it has no potter or maker?"
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has the clay pot said there is no potter?
What you're steering towards is straight to good ol' King James. Yeah, I sang the Potter/Clay song back in Sunday School too.
Now comes the 'catch'. Since no one hears a peep out of 'the Designer' and everybody that buys into the designer pottery gig feels a little uptight about that fact; it makes things really easy for someone to come along and proclaim they're hooked up.
The next thing ya know they're telling you how to vote, to send money, to go to war, or drink poison Koolade. Thanks but no thanks.
If some cosmic Designer wants credit for his work he's going to have to speak up for himself from now on. We've been bullshited long enough.
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has the clay pot said there is no potter?
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Originally Posted by mrdevious
Ah that old monotheistic nutshell; "we're designed, so that proves there's a designer". Men go around proclaiming that the existence of a designed being can only be the result of a designer, it only makes sense after all. A pot cannot mold itself, a cellphone cannot construct itself, and so obviously a human being cannot build itself. The only problem here is that the claypot-to-human analogoy conveniently ignores the built in biological mechanism that's been proven to exist in all organisms, that being genetic mutation. Whether or not you believe in evolution, genetic mutation causes environmental adaptation as is shown in all natural systems, showing that indeed a designer is not a necessary prerequisite to design. Really all this "god" concept is, is a piece that can fit into any part of the puzzle. But until we see this god, he's only a concept, a nice little idea that proposes a possible explanation to our current situation in existence. and until pots start developing a genetic code prone to occasional mutation, I'm not considering any such comparrision logically admissable.
oh, here's a guy proving there's a god as well...
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?doc...q=proof+of+god
if you had understanding you wouldnt be looking for god as you call concept. the god you speak of "like you and me" has likes and dislikes, a personality and even changes his mind and make changes. now when i said that life is in a path man knows not, i was reffering to the rightiousness that god loves. but yet we would prefer him to prove himself to us, when we are against everything hes about. i dont know one person who could take their life for another, nobody loves anybody that mush. even i dont understand love like that yet that level of love keeps god from wiping out man kind that discrases everything hes about. instead you have free will and a chioce. to kill everthing in site with out a chance would not be rightious. but yet he said that man would seek him and not find him because our hearts is desprately sinnfull and has no place with him. thats where understanding comes in, if i know that he wont prove himself to me why would i try to prove his exsistance? like
our forfarthers and our children's children we never going to get a answer. so i ask myself, what is sin that god has appionted death unto man because of its nature and caused him to have a back turned towards us? people ask why god let this and god let that happen but really we let it happen, that thing we was born in causes this. the very thing that speaks against his rightiousness. people expect him to be man like, like when provoked gota prove himself or when under pressure gota make something happen. the mind that put man kind together gota be so dam wise because to create a life that can reproduce itself just like itself yet not like itself is beyond brilliant. but im just saying, life couldnt be..........just by chance or evolution
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has the clay pot said there is no potter?
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Originally Posted by Hamlet
What you're steering towards is straight to good ol' King James. Yeah, I sang the Potter/Clay song back in Sunday School too.
Now comes the 'catch'. Since no one hears a peep out of 'the Designer' and everybody that buys into the designer pottery gig feels a little uptight about that fact; it makes things really easy for someone to come along and proclaim they're hooked up.
The next thing ya know they're telling you how to vote, to send money, to go to war, or drink poison Koolade. Thanks but no thanks.
If some cosmic Designer wants credit for his work he's going to have to speak up for himself from now on. We've been bullshited long enough.
im not trying to tell you how to vote are anything, but you still didnt answer the question. can you bring yourself back from the dead? can you show that life is just by chance? make me a new earth. then make me animals to rule over and make me a wife from your hands. better yet give me this knowledge so i can do it myself.
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has the clay pot said there is no potter?
no its not like the kid denied his parents...
The kid jsut denied the superman figure dremt up thousnads of years ago to explain what is easy to see any way if you just open your mind a little.
:thumbsup:
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Originally Posted by FAllout
no its not like the kid denied his parents...
The kid jsut denied the superman figure dremt up thousnads of years ago to explain what is easy to see any way if you just open your mind a little.
:thumbsup:
Its not that the teachings of the bible are wrong in any way...
But forcing people to belive in somehting that can't be proven by telling them to just have faith in absence of reason is wrong...
the same as a politicion telling you how you will have a better life if you vote for them.
Its obvisuly a lie, no matter how much you want to belive them.
sorry if this hurt any ones fellings, thats to bad go throw a frisby or something.
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has the clay pot said there is no potter?
you still didnt answer the question. can you bring yourself back from the dead? can you show that life is just by chance? make me a new earth. then make me animals to rule over and make me a wife from your hands. better yet give me this knowledge so i can do it myself.
Answer? No to the first question, yes to the second, the third is 'maybe' depending on how it's interpreted. But just because I can or can't do something doesn't mean all those groovy things came about the way a Hebrew mythology said they did. Do you believe the Earth rests on the back of a great turtle? That's one culture's mythology. How about many gods? The Old Testament acknowledged the existence of more than one god if you read it closely. El and Baal were originally brothers in the old myths. Moses just happened to take up with El.
But really, if you want to believe in a Designer you're prefectly free to do so. As for me I'll go with what is most rational to the best of mankinds knowledge. Ya see I'm big on 'Truth'...and if the truth is that there is an Original Designer, I have no problems changing my mind. Could you say the same if the Truth is that there is no Designer? Because the rational facts are all pointing in that direction.
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has the clay pot said there is no potter?
The whole argumment is pointless.
If there is a god or not how does that change where we are now, and where we are going as a whole.
If gods true we are going downhill.
If god is fake we are going downhill.
The farther we advance the farther behind were leaving whats really important.
People are still give up whats important so they can have a fast car, a huge house, and the biggest pool.
Was any one born dreaming of being on MTV cribs?
Does any one rember what they really wanted as a kid...
Wich is when many belive you are closest to any divine power there may be?
All you really wanted as a child was to be happy, and that was enough.
you didnt need new 27'' rmis that spin to feel good either.
God or no god it dosent change a thing.
we are all born to live and give life.
Now we are all born to get rich and give life maybee.
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has the clay pot said there is no potter?
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Originally Posted by CheebaHawk
if you had understanding you wouldnt be looking for god as you call concept. the god you speak of "like you and me" has likes and dislikes, a personality and even changes his mind and make changes. now when i said that life is in a path man knows not, i was reffering to the rightiousness that god loves. but yet we would prefer him to prove himself to us, when we are against everything hes about. i dont know one person who could take their life for another, nobody loves anybody that mush. even i dont understand love like that yet that level of love keeps god from wiping out man kind that discrases everything hes about. instead you have free will and a chioce. to kill everthing in site with out a chance would not be rightious. but yet he said that man would seek him and not find him because our hearts is desprately sinnfull and has no place with him. thats where understanding comes in, if i know that he wont prove himself to me why would i try to prove his exsistance? like
our forfarthers and our children's children we never going to get a answer. so i ask myself, what is sin that god has appionted death unto man because of its nature and caused him to have a back turned towards us? people ask why god let this and god let that happen but really we let it happen, that thing we was born in causes this. the very thing that speaks against his rightiousness. people expect him to be man like, like when provoked gota prove himself or when under pressure gota make something happen. the mind that put man kind together gota be so dam wise because to create a life that can reproduce itself just like itself yet not like itself is beyond brilliant. but im just saying, life couldnt be..........just by chance or evolution
Cheebahawk, I'm not going to bothering arguring this any further with you. But for god sake (just an expression now), you're convincing nobody when all your arguments are based on what you have decided is possible and not possible.
I'd advise you to read a ( more recent) book on evolution as well, it may not seem so impossible with a little more understanding. And if you're so certain it isn't possible, then you'll have lost nothing and gained a little knowledge to further your future arguments.
Have a good one.
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has the clay pot said there is no potter?
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Originally Posted by CheebaHawk
i dont know one person who could take their life for another, nobody loves anybody that mush.
Yeah but isent that the exact kind of love that every one wants...
Weird.
I can look you in the eyes and down the barrel of a gun and say I would do it for my lil bro and sis.
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has the clay pot said there is no potter?
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Originally Posted by FAllout
Yeah but isent that the exact kind of love that every one wants...
Weird.
I can look you in the eyes and down the barrel of a gun and say I would do it for my lil bro and sis.
i repect that to the fullest man! if the world could generate that kind of love you have for your lil bro and sis towards one another...man that'll be the greatest!! rightiouses would flow from every corner of the earth...where ever you are dude, know that you are one in amillion..
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has the clay pot said there is no potter?
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Originally Posted by mrdevious
Cheebahawk, I'm not going to bothering arguring this any further with you. But for god sake (just an expression now), you're convincing nobody when all your arguments are based on what you have decided is possible and not possible.
I'd advise you to read a ( more recent) book on evolution as well, it may not seem so impossible with a little more understanding. And if you're so certain it isn't possible, then you'll have lost nothing and gained a little knowledge to further your future arguments.
Have a good one.
indeed, im not trying to convince you and i respect your thoughts and words. and we are not arguing just sharing our thoughts on a matter. i know about evolution but evolution to me just is another tool that denies god's handy work. im just asking a question that nobody has really answered. why dosent evolution happen everyday? why only at a piont in time but yet it has bin givin the power of being a radom thing that happens. as far as i know i havent seen anything evolve, only butterflys and frogs. why dosent the gazel evolve to a bird to get away from lions since its the enviorment that helps this to happen? and the only thing of man that has evolved is his ideas, but man himself remains the same. if it is so it shouldnt just happen at one piont in the earths existance it should happend everyday just like the growth of plants and the change of wether and so forth..people know in their hearts that this is too well put together to be by chance. bone in flesh, seed after its own kind, air that fills the lungs, plants that uses sun light for growth..i dont know but thats too radom to me..anyhow, good talking man it was nice to hear what you had to say...smoke and enjoy your day...later
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has the clay pot said there is no potter?
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Originally Posted by Hamlet
you still didnt answer the question. can you bring yourself back from the dead? can you show that life is just by chance? make me a new earth. then make me animals to rule over and make me a wife from your hands. better yet give me this knowledge so i can do it myself.
Answer? No to the first question, yes to the second, the third is 'maybe' depending on how it's interpreted. But just because I can or can't do something doesn't mean all those groovy things came about the way a Hebrew mythology said they did. Do you believe the Earth rests on the back of a great turtle? That's one culture's mythology. How about many gods? The Old Testament acknowledged the existence of more than one god if you read it closely. El and Baal were originally brothers in the old myths. Moses just happened to take up with El.
But really, if you want to believe in a Designer you're prefectly free to do so. As for me I'll go with what is most rational to the best of mankinds knowledge. Ya see I'm big on 'Truth'...and if the truth is that there is an Original Designer, I have no problems changing my mind. Could you say the same if the Truth is that there is no Designer? Because the rational facts are all pointing in that direction.
sure if ther is no designer and that turns out to be the truth then i accept it, i'll still be confused but if thats the root of life on earth then shure i'll just have to accept it. i respect your resoning and thoughts..indeed, if its so then let it be
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has the clay pot said there is no potter?
No, it is not a case of the clay pot denying the existence of a potter. It is a case of the potter denying the existence of a potter-maker. Humans are the result of billions of years of natural selection; all our specialized body parts and behaviors are the result of countless generations of beings that were successful at passing on their genes, because they could survive and reproduce. If you ask me, that is a far more astonishing and wonderous answer than pretending some magical sky wizard just made us on a whim. I just don't see how people are so amazed by the "God did it" hypothesis. Evolution is way more exciting, explanatory and well, backed up by real solid evidence too.
So we don't have any more "purpose" of being here than a rock or an electron does. Big deal. That just means we have the freedom to define our own purpose in life.
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has the clay pot said there is no potter?
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Originally Posted by CheebaHawk
indeed, im not trying to convince you and i respect your thoughts and words. and we are not arguing just sharing our thoughts on a matter. i know about evolution but evolution to me just is another tool that denies god's handy work. im just asking a question that nobody has really answered. why dosent evolution happen everyday? why only at a piont in time but yet it has bin givin the power of being a radom thing that happens. as far as i know i havent seen anything evolve, only butterflys and frogs. why dosent the gazel evolve to a bird to get away from lions since its the enviorment that helps this to happen? and the only thing of man that has evolved is his ideas, but man himself remains the same. if it is so it shouldnt just happen at one piont in the earths existance it should happend everyday just like the growth of plants and the change of wether and so forth..people know in their hearts that this is too well put together to be by chance. bone in flesh, seed after its own kind, air that fills the lungs, plants that uses sun light for growth..i dont know but thats too radom to me..anyhow, good talking man it was nice to hear what you had to say...smoke and enjoy your day...later
At least we can both agree on one thing cheebahawk, everybody needs to start respecting each other and understanding, rather than arguing. And I think I too fell into the trap that most do, that being turning a conversation into an argument, the difference being working at a victory rather than an exchange of ideas. That being said, I'll try to communicate instead of argue.
On the matter of evolution, I can tell you that nobody has ever witnessed evolution. Evolutionists themselves do not believe that anybody has ever witnessed it, because it is not something that happens to any living organism during their life. I think the movie "X-men" (while an enjoyable movie) has done a great disservice to evolution in this respect, portraying the idea that it's just something that happens to organisms every so many years. The point is, evolution is something that happens over millions (even billions) of years at microscopic levels, at our genetic code.
An antalope turning into a bird just can't happen, and has no reason to since antalope are already the finished product of a species which has adapted to its environment. I'm not an expert in evolution, but I'll make up a little imaginary piece just for the sake of example (A bit long, but I'd appreciate it if you read it, it'll give you a much better idea where I'm coming from):
under the ocean there's a group of these little squishy creatures about the size of my thumbnail. Every one of these creatures has a genetic code, and as is known, every so often one will eventually give birth to an offspring with a genetic mutation. One may mutate so as to a have growth on its back, and this will not have offspring because such a growth is unattractive to potential mates, hence leaving the genetic pool. Another may mutate so as to be born with a weaker immune system, and so it'll die and not pass on its genes.
But one luckly little creature will be born with a calcium deposit on its back. no big deal really, except this little calcium deposit poses as no disadvantage and so it goes on to breed, adding to the gene pool. Soon many of these creatures are born with the little calcium deposit that has been passed on, and it has in fact protected them from injury over the area it grows on. Since these little guys have a bit of an extra edge in being protected, they survive more than the rest and continue to pass on their genes more than the rest. These genes, which are already programmed to grow calcium deposits on their backs, will be more prone to mutate in a way causes more buildup of calcium on their back. So, every generation after the last that has a mutation will be more likely to mutate so as to have bigger calcium deposits, and thus more external protection. Eventually, this process will continue over a few million years until their entire race is completely covered in a calcium shell protecting them from enemies. And so, the squishy little creatures a few million years ago have evolved into what we call today a clam. Yet, nobody once saw one of these little guy suddenly turning into a clam.
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has the clay pot said there is no potter?
Hey cheeb , try www.talkorigins.org , www.evilbible.com , www.fallacyfiles.org your guilty of about 30 of the aforemtioned fallacies. If your god is true then so is Zeus, Ra and every other fantastical "faith is only needed". If you believe god will provide so well go live in a cave and avoid all science. After all gravity is simply a theory just like evolution so perhaps if you believe hard enough you can float off earth (what? you cant....? says volumes doesnt it....)
I detect someone who thinks scientists "planted" those bones just to make money....Fundie radar , beep beep beep.
By the way devious I know we've had words on this issue before (and I like your stance and buddhism in general to be perfectly frank) But I dont feel the need to respect someones belief's when they tell me to close my eyes put my fingers in my ears and just go "lalalalalala" and believe everything some random monotheistic based "group" says is true. To me faith is just another word for ignorance coupled with fear.
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Originally Posted by weirdo79
Hey cheeb , try
www.talkorigins.org ,
www.evilbible.com ,
www.fallacyfiles.org your guilty of about 30 of the aforemtioned fallacies. If your god is true then so is Zeus, Ra and every other fantastical "faith is only needed". If you believe god will provide so well go live in a cave and avoid all science. After all gravity is simply a theory just like evolution so perhaps if you believe hard enough you can float off earth (what? you cant....? says volumes doesnt it....)
I detect someone who thinks scientists "planted" those bones just to make money....Fundie radar , beep beep beep.
By the way devious I know we've had words on this issue before (and I like your stance and buddhism in general to be perfectly frank) But I dont feel the need to respect someones belief's when they tell me to close my eyes put my fingers in my ears and just go "lalalalalala" and believe everything some random monotheistic based "group" says is true. To me faith is just another word for ignorance coupled with fear.
look man nobody here is trying denouce science or anything. if you think man came from no where and just so happen to be here by some random act hey i cant knock you for thinking what you think. i just askes a question, simple enuff. if im wrong then im wrong. i got weed to smoke man.. good topic though,. see ya around the board..high grade forever!!!!!!!!!
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actually since abiogenisis is not proven (yet but I hope lol) I dont hold any opinion on the matter, Other than that those who claim to know are either delusional or insane (and im dry so pass that over dammit ;) ).
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Originally Posted by weirdo79
actually since abiogenisis is not proven (yet but I hope lol) I dont hold any opinion on the matter, Other than that those who claim to know are either delusional or insane (and im dry so pass that over dammit ;) ).
..lol..caugh!! caugh!! here man, its the high grade so dont hold it in too long..caugh! caugh!!
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has the clay pot said there is no potter?
(cough's uncontrollably) I've never been able to hold smoke in , weak lil lungs but ill try again (almost cough's up a lung) daaaaaaaaamn ;).
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has the clay pot said there is no potter?
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Originally Posted by weirdo79
By the way devious I know we've had words on this issue before (and I like your stance and buddhism in general to be perfectly frank) But I dont feel the need to respect someones belief's when they tell me to close my eyes put my fingers in my ears and just go "lalalalalala" and believe everything some random monotheistic based "group" says is true. To me faith is just another word for ignorance coupled with fear.
I wasn't really talking about respecting the belief weirdo79, but respecting the person. I've never been a proponent of the general societal belief that if a theory is called a faith it warrants automatic respect. The type of respect I'm talking about is between people, because whether or not my opponent's logic is inferior to my logic, it's more productive to set up a situation where the two debators analyse and consider each others opinions, which is done through rational scrutiny of your opponent's train of thought.
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Originally Posted by mrdevious
At least we can both agree on one thing cheebahawk, everybody needs to start respecting each other and understanding, rather than arguing. And I think I too fell into the trap that most do, that being turning a conversation into an argument, the difference being working at a victory rather than an exchange of ideas. That being said, I'll try to communicate instead of argue.
On the matter of evolution, I can tell you that nobody has ever witnessed evolution. Evolutionists themselves do not believe that anybody has ever witnessed it, because it is not something that happens to any living organism during their life. I think the movie "X-men" (while an enjoyable movie) has done a great disservice to evolution in this respect, portraying the idea that it's just something that happens to organisms every so many years. The point is, evolution is something that happens over millions (even billions) of years at microscopic levels, at our genetic code.
An antalope turning into a bird just can't happen, and has no reason to since antalope are already the finished product of a species which has adapted to its environment. I'm not an expert in evolution, but I'll make up a little imaginary piece just for the sake of example (A bit long, but I'd appreciate it if you read it, it'll give you a much better idea where I'm coming from):
under the ocean there's a group of these little squishy creatures about the size of my thumbnail. Every one of these creatures has a genetic code, and as is known, every so often one will eventually give birth to an offspring with a genetic mutation. One may mutate so as to a have growth on its back, and this will not have offspring because such a growth is unattractive to potential mates, hence leaving the genetic pool. Another may mutate so as to be born with a weaker immune system, and so it'll die and not pass on its genes.
But one luckly little creature will be born with a calcium deposit on its back. no big deal really, except this little calcium deposit poses as no disadvantage and so it goes on to breed, adding to the gene pool. Soon many of these creatures are born with the little calcium deposit that has been passed on, and it has in fact protected them from injury over the area it grows on. Since these little guys have a bit of an extra edge in being protected, they survive more than the rest and continue to pass on their genes more than the rest. These genes, which are already programmed to grow calcium deposits on their backs, will be more prone to mutate in a way causes more buildup of calcium on their back. So, every generation after the last that has a mutation will be more likely to mutate so as to have bigger calcium deposits, and thus more external protection. Eventually, this process will continue over a few million years until their entire race is completely covered in a calcium shell protecting them from enemies. And so, the squishy little creatures a few million years ago have evolved into what we call today a clam. Yet, nobody once saw one of these little guy suddenly turning into a clam.
hmm, good piont. i see where your coming from. truthfully theres alot of wierd shit in the sea. a friend of mine e-mailed me a pic of some wierd fish, i have no idea what it is but it looks like some mutated monster fish, kinda hard to beleive. honestly the clam is one in amillion, but simplely life here on earth is too complicated for my common sence to just leave as it all just happend. to me it seems that everything has it own identity, like a tree produces trees, a ant spawns ants and so forth. but nothing has ever mixed like a half tree half elephant because everything is just randomly happening. everything has its own genetic code for what that thing is. a spider can only give birth to a spider, yet it may give birth to a new kind of spider, it is still a spider. there is a interesting story line from a video game called " the legacy of kain" you may or may not have heard of it but in the game vampires lived for many years till one of them named "razeal" is born with wings. this came from the farther of vamps named " kain" it came from his genetic pool and came through razeal witch bypassed kain himself. now because razeal was born with wings his fellow brethers and kain damned him and threw him in some pit. anyway when razeal was givin life again he comes back to find his brethers all morphed to hideious monster vampiers in witch he had to kill to get their genes and allso face kain his own farther. anyway razeal becomes the mightiest of all vamps cause of his own genes and his brethers, now iv played this game (high outa my mind let me add) and wondered if man will ever do the same as razeal did. like evolve into a new kind of man. iv done reading on nano technology, and it says they can interject this nano thing in you and they can program its basic use like if the heart gose bad the nano chips will repair your heart. its real purpose though is for astronaunts who they plan to send to mars. the nano chips is what they plan to use to make them beat the conditions on mars. then they said they plan on using this on the average person on earth in witch they glorified that soon man will run and never get tiered, maintain a body like a wieght lifter and never lift a wieght in their lives. they went on and on about the advances this nano chip can do. so i wonder if this is to be, what happens to the child that is born from one of these men. because in the same reading it says that a baby boy from russia was used for the test for the nano and they reported him at four years old lifting a empty 4X4 truck, and they show pics of him lifting it pionting out how abnormally developed his calfs was and upper turso. so i dont know..anything is possible...hey my weed outed on me!!!
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Originally Posted by mrdevious
I wasn't really talking about respecting the belief weirdo79, but respecting the person. I've never been a proponent of the general societal belief that if a theory is called a faith it warrants automatic respect. The type of respect I'm talking about is between people, because whether or not my opponent's logic is inferior to my logic, it's more productive to set up a situation where the two debators analyse and consider each others opinions, which is done through rational scrutiny of your opponent's train of thought.
i respect that to the fullest mam!!!
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"On the matter of evolution, I can tell you that nobody has ever witnessed evolution. Evolutionists themselves do not believe that anybody has ever witnessed it, because it is not something that happens to any living organism during their life....The point is, evolution is something that happens over millions (even billions) of years at microscopic levels, at our genetic code.
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Actually, on a small scale, that's not exactly true. There is a myth in the gulf of Japan that slain samuri warriors sometimes reincarnate as these little crabs. Some of the crabs shells resemble the face of a Samuri so the fishermen throw them back. Over the course of time only the crabs who's shells look like Samuri survive, so now all the crabs have little samuri faces on their backs. Natural selection in action.
They say it's happening with elephants and smaller tusks from poachers, and I've read a few examples of insects that only live a few days but go through several generations a summer. There's no lack of hard evidence if someone is willing to do just a little homework.
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Originally Posted by Hamlet
"On the matter of evolution, I can tell you that nobody has ever witnessed evolution. Evolutionists themselves do not believe that anybody has ever witnessed it, because it is not something that happens to any living organism during their life....The point is, evolution is something that happens over millions (even billions) of years at microscopic levels, at our genetic code.
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Actually, on a small scale, that's not exactly true. There is a myth in the gulf of Japan that slain samuri warriors sometimes reincarnate as these little crabs. Some of the crabs shells resemble the face of a Samuri so the fishermen throw them back. Over the course of time only the crabs who's shells look like Samuri survive, so now all the crabs have little samuri faces on their backs. Natural selection in action.
They say it's happening with elephants and smaller tusks from poachers, and I've read a few examples of insects that only live a few days but go through several generations a summer. There's no lack of hard evidence if someone is willing to do just a little homework.
lol lol lol lol..you serious!! crabs with samuri faces? them japs man, allways on another level!!
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Doesn't seem too far fetched to me. I've seen all sorts of interesting characteristics on creatures, just look at that butterfly with the face of an owl for wings. Whether or not the japanese are correct about the reincarnation of samurai, selectively killing only those without the "faces" is going to cause a boost in that population. Also, if you really want to observe evolution just look at dogs. My border-collie is the result of thousands of years of selective breeding, as are many of the extreme varriations in dogs, all of which come from only 4 or 5 innitial canine species.
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Actually we have seen evolution in our timelines , fruit flies, bacteria, resistant strains of anything...the list goes on. (and so do I its moving time :) ).
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Originally Posted by CheebaHawk
lol lol lol lol..you serious!! crabs with samuri faces? them japs man, allways on another level!!
Please refrain from racial/ethnic slurs. This is a racism-free message board.:)
http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=66999
(P.S. Why do creationism and racism seem to go together so often? Perhaps scientifically-minded people realize that we are all just slightly different evolutionary offshoots of the same basic species and that no race is intrinsically superior/inferior to another...)
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Originally Posted by Oneironaut
Please refrain from racial/ethnic slurs. This is a racism-free message board.:)
http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=66999
(P.S. Why do creationism and racism seem to go together so often? Perhaps scientifically-minded people realize that we are all just slightly different evolutionary offshoots of the same basic species and that no race is intrinsically superior/inferior to another...)
u no oneiron ive always wondered things like that... it seems to be the highly religious people tend to be more racist and not good to other people, which in the end is hipocritical because it then goes against their "beliefs"
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life can only come from life, it's a law of science, therefore there must be a creator because of all the theories of evolution none of them suggest we came from life
some people say the universe has been forever, if so explain this...
if you put a cold cup of water and a hot cup of water in a box and sealed it up then opend it an hour later, both cups would be warm... why? because heat seeks out cold, if so, why are some parts of the universe colder then the other? wouldn't the heat seek out the cold? if no then it must have a beginning.
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Originally Posted by Captain Hanks
life can only come from life, it's a law of science, therefore there must be a creator because of all the theories of evolution none of them suggest we came from life
some people say the universe has been forever, if so explain this...
if you put a cold cup of water and a hot cup of water in a box and sealed it up then opend it an hour later, both cups would be warm... why? because heat seeks out cold, if so, why are some parts of the universe colder then the other? wouldn't the heat seek out the cold? if no then it must have a beginning.
are some parts of the universe colder than others?
anyway ur analagy isnt fair because any heat in the universe will come from a source ie a star.... so the heat is still seeking out the cold but it will nvr (atleast for a billion or so years) reach equalibreium becuase the area around the star is constantly being heated... as if the cup was on a hotplate
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Originally Posted by Oneironaut
Please refrain from racial/ethnic slurs. This is a racism-free message board.:)
http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=66999
(P.S. Why do creationism and racism seem to go together so often? Perhaps scientifically-minded people realize that we are all just slightly different evolutionary offshoots of the same basic species and that no race is intrinsically superior/inferior to another...)
my bad dude, theres not a racist bone in me. i just never heard anything like that.
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Originally Posted by Captain Hanks
life can only come from life, it's a law of science
Well don't just sit there, show us this "law of science"! Or are you using the 2 very impressive terms "law" and "science" so as to leave little question in the minds of the ignorant. This sounds a lot like when I'd argue for legalizing marijuana on other boards and people would say "it's makes you stupid, it's been scientifically proven".
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therefore there must be a creator
This seems to be a popular way of creationist thinking, but it's neither scientific nor logical. God is only a concept, a hypothesis, an idea to fit any missing puzzle piece. We're in situation B (our existence as we currently know it), and that situation must be the result of a situation A (creation, evolution, or a third option not yet discovered). Even if one of our situation A hypothesis (evolution) is proven false, that doesn't mean the credit goes to the other situation A by default. To simply say God's work is proven because we don't have another explanation is like saying a thousand years ago "well, we figure the moon could only be rising every night by fairies lifting it, or a gods chariot dragging it. since we've proven beyond a doubt that fairies don't exist, that proves it's a god's chariot". This really is the core flaw I've bene seeing in creationist logic which has ultimately lead to my atheistic standpoint.
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because of all the theories of evolution none of them suggest we came from life
Well actually, evolution explains all life as coming from life, so I'm not sure what you mean. Could you clarify?
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Oh, and Oneirnaut I don't think Cheebahawk ever meant "Japs" in the derogatory sense, he just wasn't aware it's a common racial slur. It does, after all, sound like a sensible short version for "japanese", unlike a more obvious racial slur such as "nigger".
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well i did mean japanese but i wasnt insulting them. one of my "halo" fellow gamer in our xbox team is oriental. "jason chow" and we crack on his last name and make jokes about it all the time. like jason you just chowed down a ass kicking and things like that..lol..anyhow, overall i not a thing againts them. they are some very emaginative people...high grade forever!!!!!