trying to stress my plants ....

here's an oddball question for the experts ... I have 4 plants a month into flower, that are so damn good, I want seeds from them ... they're already flowering well, probably too late to pull clones from them ... I stripped lots of leaves off of them, ran the temps up into the mid-90s, sprayed the hell outta them with Windex (an orchid-grower told me that will cause sex reversal ... didn't work, plants seem to LOVE the stuff :p ) ... still 100% female ... now, I'm curious if putting them back into an 18 or 24 light cycle may stress them ... ??? anybody know for sure ? (no guesses please) ... :smokin:

OK, I found some info in Mel Frank's books ... he says to CUT the light to 8 hours ON, after severe pruning, to stress for a sex change ... I sure hope to get some seeds out of these clones... the mommas (NL99) just got out of the curing jars, and are outstanding !!! ... :dance: ... :stoned:

take wherever you feel comfortable...You know how...You had posted you did it before with success...Good luck....

OK, I will try cuttings again ... I have been told it is pretty rare for good clones to come from plants deep into flowering, but I'll give it a shot ... while I have been growing from seed for over 40 years (I'm an old fart) ... I have only attempted cloning once (and they did finally thrive, just took quite awhile) ... thanks for the suggestion ... :smokin:

well that would be stupid in most peoples opinion. Causing stress reduces yield and makes shitty plants. If you want to cause stress, just fuck with the photoperiod. from 12/12 for however long you've had them to 18/6 for 2 weeks back to 12/12 for 2 than to 24/7 for a week than back to 12/12 will almost always cause hermies if it doesn't than you have found a true gift. a xx female. BTW, WINDEX IS POISON MAKE SURE THAT YOU GET ALL THAT SHIT OFF BEFORE YOU SMOKE IT!! (DUMBEST THING I'VE EVER HEARD OF!)

nono spray it with crud killer and u be much happier

I heard you spray it with Advil or was it Tylenol. 1 pill to a litre mixed and spray. But dont take it from me, Im not 100% sure and havn't tried it so..

reveg plants after harvesting and take clones then

I always get seeds, after I harvest I leave the two smallest buds on the bottom and stop watering them,in about two weeks I get seeds. Because they are stress induced they should all come out Female(I won't swear to the all female part)It happened once when I was try to reveg and 2x in a row since.
BCBUDBOY

This is the exact reason I keep a few known males as breeders in a perpetual state of veg.

The chemical you'all are looking for is gibberellin, or gibberellic acid.

http://www.super-grow.biz/GA3Powder20.jsp

Are you refering to what is called polyipod(I dont remember how it is spelt, I read about it in my grow books)

You strip the plants of almost all foilage at a certain stage, and it supoosedly supposed to encourage extremely high yields if done correctly?

Do you mean polyploidy, where the plants have an extra chromosome?
Nope.
I wouldn't strip the plants.
The gibberellin method is taking one branch and exposing it to the acid to get it to produce male sex parts, adn using the resultant pollen to cross it to itself.

I just looked at doing this and was going to try the gibberlic acid method when I asked a very knowledgable person who works in the industry about it. he feels that doing it to make seeds makes the seeds have a high chance of being hermmies. He said he knows of people who have done it and not got one female plant thru to harvest.
Where are those real experts that hang out here???????

all the abuse didn't stress my plants enought to hermie them, just too damned stable, so will try again next crop, ... am in 'cure' stage now, and germinating some Island Sweet Skunk X Jamaican, so hands are a bit full at this time ... :smokin:

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Where are those real experts that hang out here???????

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Hmmm... should we be offended by this?

As I said earlier in the thread, I keep real live male plants in veg so when I want seeds, I make seeds. No chemicals.

I posted about the gibberellin for information. I personally can't recommend using it. I feel that the fewer artifical chemicals or hormones come in contact with a growing organism, the better chances it has of successfully reproducing itself with no mutations/inherited weakness/etc. So yeah, it doesn't surprise me that your expert has had problems with herms.

I am a rookie, but have had great success with clonning..These are my faux Hawaiian Snow...bag weed seed, but thought looked like Hwn Snw.. :) Clones were taken Aug 21, and 23,....

First pic, which I thought looked like my plants..I can only hope...My clonning unit with a round air stone...Roots are nice and white and healthy...Any thoughts or comments appreciated...Thought I could show The Image Reaper that even a rookie like me can take clones from plants 50 plus days into flower and have success...

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Hmmm... should we be offended by this?

As I said earlier in the thread, I keep real live male plants in veg so when I want seeds, I make seeds. No chemicals.

I posted about the gibberellin for information. I personally can't recommend using it. I feel that the fewer artifical chemicals or hormones come in contact with a growing organism, the better chances it has of successfully reproducing itself with no mutations/inherited weakness/etc. So yeah, it doesn't surprise me that your expert has had problems with herms.

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Sometime they don't listen. But uses windex?

from one "Rookie" to another....

this thread is months old :D ... this is the Joey Weed NL99 I purposely stressed, trying to get a male flower to appear, with no results ... the most stable strain I've ever run across in 40+ years of growing (rookie :confused:) ... anyway, she survived, despite my cruelty :D ... pretty stunted, but should still pull a couple ounces of dried, cured, powerhouse bud from her (would rather have gotten seeds from her, the whole purpose of my mistreatment) ... I prefer not to clone ... am currently germinating some Motarebel Killa Queen 2006, should be somewhat similar potency as this girl ... :smokin:

Reaper,
I meant no disrespect in your growing ability, but the clonning aspect was/is new to you and me. Thats where the "Rookie" came in..
I am a Rookie...just restarted growing again after many years...I am an "old fart" as well...Still have my first copy of "Old Homegrown Quarterly" Nov 1979:D am now retired heavy equipment operator...30 yrs..Lovin life to the fullest....
I agree with your plan with the lights...had a problem with my timer, it got hit and the time was off several hours before I realized it..I now have a "hermie"....
Great looking stressed plant I might add.....hope you succeed...

no prob, I took no offense, whatsoever :D ... (I learn something new everytime I come in here) ... I've only cloned one time, and while it turned out fine, I just prefer seeds ... hard to change an old dirtfarmer, I guess ... :D ... I have read clones are never 'quite' the plant Mommie was, I don't know if that's true, but I'll find out before long, these 4 clones are coming down soon ... I have two NL99s and two Cotton Candy/S.A.G.E./NYCdiesels in their 6th week of flower ... their Mothers were/are powerhouses, so hopefully, their kids will be, too ... the Windex idea was from a friend who grows exotic orchids, etc.,, and unexplainably really perked up the plants :confused: ... it just occurred to me last night, farmers use ammonia to release the nitrogen from the soil, that must be why it didn't harm them :confused: ... :smokin:

Dude I have done something along the same thing! I was doing a outdoor grow but started to late and my plants where 10-15cm when they started to flower and I put them back into veg two days ago under 24/7 and one of my females started growing balls so its a hermie but can this plant now flower it self and I will have 99% females or 100% hermies? Also it is possible to put them back into veg they have been flowering no more than a week. I know I have stressed my babys now but they wont all turn into hermies? If they dont how long will they take to recover the shock???

I hesitate to even answer this, since I am definitely not an expert on breeding, and I loaned my books to a friend ... but, if I understand it right, if the male flower on your hermie pollinates another female, all the resulting seeds will produce female plants only ... BUT, I am not sure if they pass on a 'hermie' trait, too ... maybe someone more informed will see this thread ... Latewood would know, I'm quite sure ... :confused:

Passing on the hermi trait...Tough question, and I'm not an expert by any stretch...

I'm going to take a shot at this one.

Most plants CAN go hermi. The odd, rare one absolutely CANNOT, without use of gibberellic acid; she is an absolute GEM, and we are going to forget about her for now.

So let's say there is a scale from 0-10, 0 being no herms, ever, no matter how hard you stress the plant, to 10, being that the plant for all intents and purposes is in fact monoecious, displaying both types of sex organs under normal stress-free growing conditions.

Numbers 1-9 are plants that can go hermi depending upon how much stress they are exposed to.

So a plant with a hermi number of 1 is going to take a LOT of abuse, while a plant with a 9 is going to grow nut sax if you so much as look at her crosseyed.

The next thing that we are going to assume is that the plant's hermi number is a heritable trait.

So go ahead and imagine 2 plants, one is a 1 on the hermi scale, and the other is a 9.

Both are exposed to enough stress to produce male pollen and used to pollinate an 'average' female.

The seeds produced will be feminized seeds.

However, each batch will inherit the traits of the pollen-donor parent.

One of those traits is how much the feminized daughter can then be stressed before she, too, bears male sex parts.

So the offspring from the pollen donor parent with the number 9 are going to be really hard to grow to maturity without getting herms.

I believe that this is how it works. I hope that LAtewood DOES see this and corrects any erroneous assumptions I may have made.

something in chat room, Privately....

you weren't online when I came back on, but I will keep an eye out for ya ... :smokin:

Peace...:thumbsup:

Peace:thumbsup:

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I heard you spray it with Advil or was it Tylenol. 1 pill to a litre mixed and spray. But dont take it from me, Im not 100% sure and havn't tried it so..

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its Tylenol...ive heard this before, but i dont know if id do it myself

just seed,water,superthrive and some light for me