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I'm searching for an answer to the age old question, "Does size matter?"
What is the ideal hight to change plants to flowering? Does it vary by plant?
I have Big Bud and White Widow going... I let them get bigger than I probably should have (like 5 feet tall). Can I expect to get significantly more bud from them than I would with a smaller plant?
the main factors...
1. Light/wattage...
2. number of plants
3. room...
and finally the LAW..
Indoor growing at its maximum potential rarley calls for growing a plant more than 12-18 inches in vegataive stage.... especially when using lights of less than 1000 watts...
of course there are reasons to grow plants bigger indoors... the main one being... JOHNNY LAW... JOHNNY has a limit on how many plants yuo can grow legally...
iloveyou
example, you can grow 100 plants in a 4X6 area.. that you flower at 10-12 inches tall, using 2400 watts and harvest 5 pounds...
or you can grow 2 plants that you flower at 24 inches tall in a 4X6 area with 1000 watts and get 12 ounces total..
iloveyou
I don't understand knowm.... what does the wattage have to do with what height you flower them at? I don't get what you are saying.
Well, no one really understands GK, but he may have been referring to the fact a HID only penetrates about a 1/3 of the plant so you got over a foot that aint even gunner get light... I dunno, but you need a good lam p to actually bud a plant that big.
I see. So if one is in that situation, one can hang cfl's in/around the plant to help during flowering. Yes?
yes. Don't listen to Lip. He's reading and repeating what he reads. No experience.
Garden Knome is one of the best growers on this forum.
a 1000 watt HId lamp penetrates 3 feet. So it is a waist to grow a plant bigger then 3 feet. And it will hit every part of the plant.
But if you do grow it bigger. You can add side lighting that will take care of it.
Noone mentioned the strain. This makes a h8uuge difference in how much it will stretch in flowering. Indica stretch the least. Sativas get about three times the size when flowered.
Yes , all the side lights you can get help out.
Lip see if you can button it, and grow some to back up your lip. You have
posted some good articles but also you have given out wrong info,often
enough to mention it.
LIP is good but we're not here to judge people i mean everyone is intitled to their own thoughts and opinions but back to trh question, i think that idk if this will help you but obviously if you grow larger you will get a larger yield, but people are limited for space, stealth, money so forth so if you're in it for selling and have the ability to then grow big if not then stay small, try and get a few more plants in there so you get more bud from many plants. Try using a LST approach or using a Screen like in SOG to get more bud per plant. I've read and heard that you shouldn't start to flower unless you get about 4-5 nodes then you should flower after you reach that
GG23
Ya,I'd wait till more like 6 -7 nodes and pre flowers. But if it is getting too tall you can do it early.
I just get tired of typing. And having to correct him.
But also it confuses people.
But I guess I am making a big deal out of nothing.
I'm sorry.
shucks me to! Forgive me Lip. I know you work hard at this.
Peace My Brothers
ok, on your big bud plant i would start 12/12 at 8-10in tall, and on your ww i would start at 12-18in tall. i have grown big bud and she does get tall.
the widow gets tall to if you flower her over 12 inches she will grow more than 3 ft.big bud and widow would have to be lst to keep the hight down .i take it you haven't seen mobays big bud grow .search out the thread and have a look and you will see what size this strain can go to lol.but then again this was a mobay grow lol lol.i would go for lst on them both thats your best option. As for lip he generally gives out good info ,but to say no one understands what the knome means is simple inexperience at growing as all who know the knome knows exactly what he means.the thing is lip is he tries to give information not offer it and that gives the impressing he knows what he is talking about when some of the times he doesn't and that seems to annoy some peepo .lip if you haven't got the experience at growing then you should offer it in a hope this helps sort of way instead of telling it as fact because giving someone the wrong info can fuck up their grow and future grows if they take your info as fact when it is wrong so think about it mate and keep doing as you are doing as if offered in the correct way it can be great help to new growers. and PS dint fuck with the knome lol.the postman.
With indoor growing.. the height, shape and overall size of the plant can be manipulated to exactly how you want it... it just depends on what you want..
Notice the below pic.. she was grown from seed and only vegged for 2 weeks under minimal lighting.. then flowered under my current setup..
she pulled through and provided just about a half ounce.
only going to show that size does matter... but only if you let it.:smokin:
Hi, Iâ??m surprised that no-one mentioned pruning. Whenever Iâ??ve been in that situation (vegging â??em too long), Iâ??ve used Ed Rosenthalâ??s pruning technique. Basicallyyou prune them so that
a) you only have a manageable number of branches per plant (3 â?? 4 for plants in a 3-gallon pot, 5 â?? 6 if a 5-gallon pot).
b) then along those branches, prune away their side-shoots until there is only foliage about 1 foot down from the top/tip of the branch. Looks a bit extreme at first, but if you do it at the point youâ??re at now (just before going 12/12) theyâ??ll grow back plenty. Later youâ??ll wish youâ??d pruned â??em even more.
That way all the development will go to a few good-sized branches, theyâ??ll grow noticeably faster because the remaining plant is opened up to light (you can see the light hitting most of the plantâ??s surfaces afterward). And later not much will be growing beneath the level of light-penetration, once the canopy fills in in a few weeks. Also gives great air circulation at the lower levels, and mites seem to get started on the leaves closest to the pots, where the humidity is highest (from the potâ??s moisture).
Where youâ??re at now youâ??re going to end up with mass quantities of tiny underdeveloped trim/budlets as the plant divides itâ??s energy among a zillion tiny bud-sites, most of which arenâ??t getting any decent light.
Old Ed gives a lot of 'highly questionable' advice, IMHO, but this one seems to work well.