Cabinet, 1000W Hydro-DWC SCRoG White Widow

It has finally happened… Turtle has gone hydro!

After much delay (waaay too much, in fact!), it’s ON!

We’re growing two White Widow clones, from a known female plant. It’s inside a cabinet (which sits inside a closet), that measures 20inches by 40inches in its base, and 48inches tall. Because of height restrictions (and newb dreams of grandeour), we’re doing a SCRoG (Screen of Green). Inside the cab, we’re running two bulbs: a 400W MH, and a 600W HPS. Both of them, inside a cool tube (more or less “cool”).

For vegetative growth, we’ll be using only the Metal Halide… when 12/12 (flowering) comes around, we’ll run both MH and the High Pressure Sodium bulbs. That will give us a total of 1000W for the cabinet. I’m aiming at keeping the bulbs from 12 to 14 inches away from the screen.

For exhaust, we’ve got a 300CFM NuTone fan on the top of the cabinet, pulling air OUT. We’ve got a 4” dryer duct fan hooked up at the bottom of the cabinet, as a passive intake. The cabinet inside is Mylared all the way, except the bottom “floor”.

HYDRO setup::: I decided to go the simplest hydro route, and in my opinion, that’s DWC (Deep Water Culture). So, we’ve got one 5 gallon bucket per plant, two plants, and a third 5 gallon “reservoir” bucket”. All three buckets are interconnected, and a small pump is flowing the water through all three.

For the all important hydro readings, we’re running a Hanna meter… we can measure EC/TDS, ppm, pH, and the temperatures of the hydro solution. ( hope I got that right). Anyway, the Hanna meter has two probes, both of which have been located in the reservoir bucket.

Oxygen for the roots::: At the present, we’ve got only one dual-outlet aquarium air pump, running two air stones… one air stone per bucket. Future upgrades (ASAP) are a second air pump, with two more air stones… TOTALS: one air pump + two air stones for EACH bucket. That should give nice bubbles…

NUTRIENTS (“nutes”)::: We’ll be using General Hydroponics (GH) 3-part series nutrients… FloraGrow, FloraMicro, and FloraBloom. Also, GH pH up/down. For WATER we have a RO+DI (Reverse Osmosis + DeIonization) water filter.

NUTE ADDITIVES and STUFF::: We’ve got SuperTHRIVE (basically “a must”). Also, CalMag PLUS (with RO water, basically also “a must”). Later things, I think we have Bloom Booster or something like that…

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Clones are looking great… they’re really growing during these hours. They’ve been in the hydro setup for aproximately 24 hours (actually, less), and their roots have JUMPED! I hope I see some equally impressive growth rates with the upper side of the plants.


Any and all inputs and suggestions are greatly welcomed…

Thanks for stopping by.

-turtle420 :cool:
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HYDRO READINGS:
15 gallons of tap water
INITIAL READINGS:::
307 μS
154 ppm
8.05 pH
81.8 °F

Using GH instructions on the back of the bottle, for the “Vegetative Growth Stage”
FloraGrow
3TSP/gal
15 gallons total
= 225mL of FloraGrow
Instead of 225mL, we’ll be putting in 150mL of FloraGrow. 150/225= 0.67 = 67%

FINAL amounts put into 15 gallons of water:::
150mL FloraGrow
100mL FloraMicro
50mL FloraBloom

READINGS 1:10am
82.0 Farenheit
1872 uS
934ppm
6.83pH

READINGS 2:26am
Relative Humidity = 79%
Air Temperature = 83.6 Farenheit

82.1 Farenheit
1909 uS
955ppm
5.80pH

READINGS 7:30am
Relative Humidity = 77%
Air Temperature = 85.2 Farenheit

82.3 Farenheit
1940 uS
970 ppm
6.19 pH

READINGS 12:20pm
Relative Humidity = 75%
Air Temperature = 94.8 Farenheit

83.5 Farenheit
1975 uS
987 ppm
6.16 pH

READINGS 5:15pm
84.7 Farenheit
1951 uS
976 ppm
6.12 pH

READINGS 8:02pm
Relative Humidity = 75%
Air Temperature = 85.6 Farenheit

84.1 Farenheit
1967 uS
983 ppm
6.04 pH


NOTE::: When you see Farenheit, and it doesn’t say “Air Temperature”, then it’s the temperature of the hydro mix.

I've attached a chart of nutrients/pH values. It can be found in the FAQs, @
http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=25080

nice turtle..
how much were those buckets?
Did you make that system yourself?

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Good Work turtle, impressive, no wonder you've been so quiet. The data charts are pretty too, nice colors

Wuhuuu!!!! Things to reply!!! :)

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Originally Posted by Garden Knowm

nice turtle..
how much were those buckets?
Did you make that system yourself?

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Yeah, made it my self. Got a couple of issues that need fixing (addition of another air pump, and installing bigger diameter hoses).

I plan on writing up a more-or-less how I did it.

Cost of buckets = I think it was $5 for a bucket and a lid. They're good, because they're thick plastic, reinforced at the bottom and top, light doesn't shine through them... and, again, $5. :)

Thanks for the post gK.

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Originally Posted by cactusman23

Good Work turtle, impressive, no wonder you've been so quiet. The data charts are pretty too, nice colors

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Thanks for posting CactusMan...
QUESTION for you: How do you... um... have "relationships" with women? Or do you find CactusWomen?

LOL!

I'm just kiddin' man... :)
I've been quiet because I've been time-less... not enough time to... to go into my beloved boards.cannabis.com

The charts are from a FAQ Zandor wrote up... I didn't make them. In any event, they're usefull information. Probably what gK recites every time he wakes up in the morning...

There is a cactuswoman in my life and our relationship is a bit prickly, but hey it works for us.

Again my compliments, and to everyone else out there, what are ya waiting for, start posting!

very , very nice turtle i take my hat of to you, very nice indeed.

Awsome man!

CactusMan...
Good for you! (regarding CactusWoman).. lol ! :D

PostManDave...
Thanks for the kind words... :)

Villui...
Thanks for dropping by buddy ;)

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PROBLEMS???
I don't know... maybe....
Ok, I'm uploading some pics... three of them are of the biggest clone/plant, and the 4th one is of the second clone/plant.

Both plants have their leaves curling inwards... in a down-then-inward shape.

They're not dying... I can see that... but, maybe they can be in better shape???

There's a pic of a close-up of one of the leaves... the leaf is slightly "lighter colored" than the lower leaves...

Again guys, thanks for all the help. I realize that they ARE NOT dying, but, maybe I can get some pointers from the experienced? (And the inexperienced too!!!)

Latests HYDRO DATA:::
YESTERDAY @ 8:02PM
6.04 pH
84.1 Farenheit
1967 uS
983 ppm

Relative Humidity = 75%
Air Temperature = 85.6 Farenheit

TODAY @ 10:45AM
1952 uS
84.7 Farenheit
976 ppm
6.04 pH

Relative Humidity = 69%
Air Temperature = 86.2 Farenheit

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I added some pH down, and before I left them, the pH "more or less" stabilized around 5.75

Other than that... that's it!

Thanks for stopping by everybody! :D

Best regards to all,

-turtle420 :cool:
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Couldnt Help Turtle but Stuff is looking nice:thumbsup:

I love ur setup its nice and neat, also it looks like u put some hard labor in making that perfect:upsidedow Again nice JOB :thumbsup: So how long are you veging for and where are those WW from?

Should I stay quite and let your learn or would you like an opinion on the future problems you may have? I could be wrong you are only in the first phase but......?

You're not going to finish with that foam plug like that are you?

How are you monitoring the temperature at the top of your canopy?

Nice closet too turtle it showes a lot of work on your part.

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Originally Posted by BukDatAss

So how long are you veging for and where are those WW from?

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Thanks Buk! :) It's GREAT to have you here man! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Vegetative... I'm thinking of giving them 4 weeks... anywhere from 3 to 4 weeks... but the real decision maker on that aspect will be how they're growing. If at 4 weeks, the SCRoG screen is still half empty, I'll keep them at veg. I don't know... let's see how it goes! :)

WW = White Widow ... they're from WeedFarmer.com... I was VERY pleased with them... I recommend them to everyone.

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Originally Posted by Zandor

Should I stay quite and let your learn or would you like an opinion on the future problems you may have? I could be wrong you are only in the first phase but......?

You're not going to finish with that foam plug like that are you?

How are you monitoring the temperature at the top of your canopy?

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Great approach Zandor... although "experience is the best teacher", I'll take your advice any time you put it out :)

Finishing with the foam plug::: Um... yeah... I thought.... I did think... I no longer think...
Why? Will the plug "choke" the plant? Or will the plant "rape" the plug?

I realize the plant has no net-cup, or "medium", but I thought that once the plant gets to the SCRoG screen, and I start "weaving"/training it into the screen, it'll support its own weight...

Thoughts on this? Or am I headed down Newbie Avenue? (full speed ahead? ;) )

.....CANOPY TEMPERATURE MONITORING......
Right now, I've got my thermometers' (digital) external probe hanging mid-air inside the cabinet. When I install the metal screen for the SCRoG, I'd like to place the thermometer somewhere that'll give good readings... some testing to be done.

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Buk, Zandor,
Thanks for the closet cabinet props... :) It feels great to have people commend you on something :dance: :dance: (<-- love this guy) :dance: :dance:

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SIDE-NOTE::: UPGRADES::::
1- bigger hoses for the mix return (at the bottom of the buckets)
2- two air pumps, and four air stones total
3- cover the water lines with aluminum foil... don't want no "stuff" growing there...
4- better fan for the cool tube (using a 50CFM fart fan right now... pushing air... ;)Z)
5- carbon air scrubber (I still haven't forgotten the other thread Z)
6- 1" screen attachment

That's it for now. :)

I'm very pleased to be posting here... as now, I'm Netless for the time being, and I miss the boards quite some... but it's good when you log in, and there's SHITLOADS of new stuff to read...

Thanks for everything guys (and girls), much peace and good chronic,

-turtle420 :cool:
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Learning is half the fun anyway.

Yes they will choke the stock and reduce the nutrient uptake at some point (soon)

Sure roots hanging will grow, but...........think about it for a second and it will come to you. Would the lack of a strong root base and support for the top of the plant reduce the over all size of the finished plant?

Why?

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Originally Posted by Zandor

Learning is half the fun anyway.

Yes they will choke the stock and reduce the nutrient uptake at some point (soon)

Sure roots hanging will grow, but...........think about it for a second and it will come to you. Would the lack of a strong root base and support for the top of the plant reduce the over all size of the finished plant?

Why?

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Hey Z,

I feel like I'm on the spotlight here, but it's all good man... Thanks for the help and time.

Let's see...

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Originally Posted by Zandor

Sure roots hanging will grow, but...........think about it for a second and it will come to you. Would the lack of a strong root base and support for the top of the plant reduce the over all size of the finished plant?

Why?

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"Lack of a strong root base" will definitely hinder the plants' ability to be all it can be.

Ok, I hope I don't crash and burn too bad with my answer... but here it goes:::

If the root ball "base" isn't stress-free, it won't be able to have 100% nutrient "flow".
^^^:confused:

I can see roots danglin' and moving back-and-forth, but, maybe the root ball "base" needs to be "solid"???

Hahaha! LOL!

Thanks for this Z... I'm cracking for answers over here...

I'll try to re-log in ASAP... but as it is, I'm getting about 30 minutes of internet a day... and I can tell you, 28 of those minutes are spent on boards.cannabis.com .... the other 2 minutes?
Booting up... hehehe...

Best Regards Z,

-turtle420 :cool:
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PS: Side-note... I can still place the plants on some netpots... with some lava rocks...
PSS: The home-made "foam plugs" are made out of "Garden Kneeling Pad" material... straight from Home Depot

holy shit turtle just found this thread, and i must say ...ver very impressive. You have an awesome setup...im thinking about dwc for my next grow. Also you seem to be VERY in to your grow...and thats good. But that doesnt suprise me because i know how much of a dedicated person you are.
KEEP THE GOOD STUFF COMIN!!!!!
much love.....nasty

Quick question for you Turtle how much time and labor do you put into ur plants a day?:confused:


Cause your a MONSTER:mad: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

If you can and it's not to late you may want to use that net pot and grow rocks.

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Quick question for you Turtle how much time and labor do you put into ur plants a day?:confused:


Cause your a MONSTER:mad: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

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Hey Buk! :D
Time and labor... unknown man... unknown.
Cool tale: Man, the day I placed the clones into the cabinet, wuuuff... I stayed up until about 3am... then woke up at 7am to go to work... but I didn't care at all... I was sO happy that the system was up and running :) Burned the midnight oil on that one... but came out winning :dance:

Thanks for the comments Buk my friend... I must re-connect one day to play again... I've been Netless for some time now... :( Take care buddy, and stay tuned! ;)

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Originally Posted by HungryMcNasty

holy shit turtle just found this thread, and i must say ...ver very impressive. You have an awesome setup...im thinking about dwc for my next grow. Also you seem to be VERY in to your grow...and thats good. But that doesnt suprise me because i know how much of a dedicated person you are.
KEEP THE GOOD STUFF COMIN!!!!!
much love.....nasty

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Yo Hungry! :)
I'm happy you found this... :D Let's see what comes out of that box within the next 90 days... Your SCRoG has been inspirational man... :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Zandor

If you can and it's not to late you may want to use that net pot and grow rocks.

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Hey Z,
I can still place them... let's see... I've got some real net pots, that are 2" or 2.5" in diameter... too small?
Then I've got this ghetto 4" or 5" net pots, which I """fabricated""" from regular pots... I cut out the sides, and "net". Ugly looking contraptions. Never had to use them. But for giving scares to the crows...

I'll install them... tomorrow... I hope.

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UPDATE: I installed the screen... 1" holes, per JustAseed's suggestions, and pictures...

The biggest plant hasn't been "trained" into the screen yet... not tall enough. The smaller plant... well, that one turned out REALLY like her mother... her mom was a "two headed" 'rose' from the beginning... and so is she... but even more so! She has 4 heads!!!

I thought her abnormal 4 heads where because of FIMing it... but I didn't have recollection of doing that to her... but now that it's grown, I can see that it's... TWO PAIRS OF SECONDARY GROWTHS!!! HAaha! that's it!

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I'm set to change the hydro mix tomorrow... when I get back my RO filter... the mix right now, has been in there for... um... 8 days today.
(FROM THE TOP OF MY MIND):::
5.9pH
1971 uS
930ppm
Something like that.

I added a little (like 1/4 strength) Dark Energy. On the bottle it states: It stinks, but it Rocks!

Got that right.

GOD ALL MIGHTY!!!
This is more stenchfull than... than... ufff! Horrendous!

But apparently, it rocks. Yes it does.
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I also added the second air pump... now we've got one air pump per 5 gallon bucket. Two air stones inside each bucket.
Makes for some nice bubbles-inside-buckets vibration....
:confused:

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In the next hydro mix, I'm going all crazy... small amounts, but...
RO water...
CalMag PLUS
GH 3-parts
Dark Energy (!!!)
Floralicious Plus
SuperTHRIVE (of course)

..... And, I think that's the hole plethora of stuff.... stuff... :) hmmm... stuff.
We've got some FulMag over there.... says it's for magnesium deficiencies problems... Wa?! I ain't got no problems!

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That's it. [/RANT] Finish. Enjoy. Please comment, if you feel like it.

Best,

-turtle420 :cool:
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PS: I'm sorry for leaving the pictures out... I know I know... pictures are a MUST... but... well... I left the camera.... with the pictures inside... I know... sorry.... Zandor, yes... please remove 2,000 posts from my post count... I know that's the penalty.... :sadcrying

Plants so far:::
They seem to be growing super fast.
I changed the nutrient mix yesterday, and filled-up the buckets with RO water… ahhh… nice, pure water.  Each 5 gallon bucket takes about 40 minutes to fill-up::: no kidding.

I added the GH 3-part nutrients, for week 2, vegetative stage.
+ CalMag PLUS
+ GH Floralicious Plus
+ Dark Energy

…. After a couple of hours, the pH was over at about 6.20 or something… so I added some pH DOWN… got to around 5.80

Plants are growing super fine. The little one, has the 4 grow shoots coming up full-steam ahead. Very interesting! Now I see why everybody claims that hydro grows are “astonishingly fast!”.

The big plant is fine… on her top, she has the main top, and two secondary growths that are coming strong. I’m planning on sending that top over to the far-side of the cabinet, and trying to fill up the screen towards the middle with the other secondary growths of the plant.

I need to make the carbon air scrubber work ASAP. Damn it…

Mother plant is doing good… shitloads of secondary grows… so tempting to make more clones… soooo… tempting… Anyways, the two soil clones are also doing super good. I didn’t water “on time” one of them, and it completely dropped it’s leaves… temperamental plants!

I watered thoroughly, both of the clones. After 1 hour, it hadn’t perked-up its leaves, so I removed it from the mother cabinet and pleaced her under a desktop fluorescent lamp… until the next morning. She woke up better, and has been re-installed in the mother cabinet since.

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I’m sorry that I’m ranting so much, but right now I’m writing off the net… so I’ll get to my internet connection, log-in, copy/paste for posting this, and out…  I miss this place.
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In other news, I’m super eager to start flowering of these plants! And I’m also super eager to see how my 1st SCRoG does! I really hope I can get something *similar* to JustAseed’s SCRoGs. I’m planning on weaving the plants like there’s no tomorrow. WeeeavvveEEE!!! Or… TrrraaaAIIINNN!!!

My bud supply has run dangerously low… I’m on the verge of… of running out of weed! Darn it… I’m sure this ain’t going to happen once I’ve got my 1st harvest down. That’s going to kick-ass!


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Ok, I stop writing now. I realize this post is waaaay too long.

Best to all of you, and I promise pictures next time around,

-turtle420 :cool:
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Hey Turtle !! :D Your back!:)

I really don't check in on this forum alot.. :o

And, I'm glad this is working out for you!:D Love for you, and best wishes!!:D

Later, tahtah

Can't you get the 8" net pots? They cost only a few bucks? They even have one that fits over the 5-gal bucket so you don't need to make a hole in the lid.

Turtle drop me an email will ya?

It's really good to have this here:

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Originally Posted by Powder Puff

Hey Turtle !! :D Your back!:)

I really don't check in on this forum alot.. :o

And, I'm glad this is working out for you!:D Love for you, and best wishes!!:D

Later, tahtah

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Thanks pPuff! :) Take much care buddy... and, keep on partying man! Enjoy every second of it. Don't do stupid stuff (drinking+driving, etc.), but enjoy EVERYTHING.
As to women, I'll give you a small piece of advice:
He who hesitates, masturbates.

Don't loose time.

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Originally Posted by Zandor

Can't you get the 8" net pots?

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:) Thanks Z.... I think I did find some... ;)

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Updates:
Girls are on their 19th day.

Growing super cool... I'm ejoying this very much. I already started to train the biggest plant into the screen... and less than 6 hours later, she already had bent her self in such a way as to receive as much light as possible. Amazing.

I've been keeping the pH around 5.80.... anybody have any suggestions for a better number?

I have a small problem with my hydro unit... and it's because of lazyness.

I still haven't installed bigger diameter hoses for the mix return... thus, slowly over time, the pump overflows one, or the other grow bucket. Which then spills 950ppm nutrient mix all over the inside of the cab... and the floor.

Anyway, my temporary fix has been to turn OFF the nutrient pump for 5 minutes, every hour. During those 5 minutes, all the buckets re-level their mix. After the OFF time, back ON for 55 minutes. (Gotta love those X10 timers.)

I plan on installing two more additional hoses into the buckets... hopefully that will provide enough return flow into the rez bucket.

I hope you guys enjoy the pics... :)

Take much care all of you, and god-speed-ahead,

-turtle420 :cool:
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SIDE-NOTE::: Yesterday, "playing" with my mother plants, I realized, my mother plant "miniaturized" herself! She doesn't have big leaves... they're all... um, small. She's healthy, green, and growing... but, small leaves... interesting...

hey turtle whatsup looking damn good ..... :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
your on your way

NICE....

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Originally Posted by BukDatAss

hey turtle whatsup looking damn good ..... :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
your on your way

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Thanks Buk!!! :) It's GREAT to have you here dude!!! You've been there from the very beginning :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Let's see how I do!

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NICE....

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Thanks gK... I know that means many, many "I love You"s coming from you :D

Hehehe... BTW: These girls will buy me your two movies :) :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :)

Thanks for the posts guys! I'll be back tomorrow with pictures (yay!)

Take care, good night, much love and peace

-turtle420 :cool:
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what is the water level in those buckets? how much of the root is exposed to air, and how often do you refill the reservoir to maintain the water level? I love the system

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Originally Posted by BlazeIdo

what is the water level in those buckets? how much of the root is exposed to air, and how often do you refill the reservoir to maintain the water level? I love the system

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Hey Blaze,

:) Thanks for posting! :dance:

The water level::: It's about 2-3 inches from the top of the buckets. I never run it completely full, because I've got a "flow" problem that will overflow one of my buckets and spill the nutrient mix to the floor.

Exposed roots::: About the same 2-3 inches of roots are exposed to the air. It varies, as when I fill the system, less roots get exposed. As the water level goes down, well, obviously more roots get exposed. Max exposure, I would place it around 3-4 inches. I'll get some root pics for you ;)

Frequency of refills::: Right now, no refills. The plants are still small, so they don't drain the mix that much. When the 7 days of the "nutrient mix life" are up, I change everything. We're going to have to wait two or three weeks to find out how much water must be added to keep proper levels.

Thanks for the comments on the system :D. If you want any detailed pics and/or help with anything, just holla.

Best to you BlazedIdo,

-turtle420 :cool:
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Thanks for the response. I haven't met any nicer people than on this site. Maybe the whole world needs to rip a few bongs and chill the fuck out.

I noticed that the temp of your nutrient solution is in the 80's. Is this where it is supposed to be? What is the optimum temperature for the water, and does it change with the phases? Also, did you add all the nutrients for veg, flower and the micro at the same time? I was under the impression that you only added the floragrow for veg, and then the micro and bloom at the start of flowering? One more thing. If GH floralicous grow, and GH Floralicous bloom are used, is Foxfarm Big bloom and ok way to go for the micro? Sorry for all the questions, just trying to tie up some loose ends.

water temp should be no higher than 75 degrees...
preferably even cooler.. like 70-72 farenheit..

: )
iloveyou

I just looked at the GH site and figured out the difference between their nutrients and supplements (a lot clearer now). So im guessing that the floralicous grow and bloom plus the foxfarm big bloom isn't going to be sufficient by itself. Also if grown from seed in DWC does starting the GH flora 3-series nutrients at half the recommended clone level plus the floralicous grow at half its recommended level once I hit the 4th set of true leaves sound about right. Should anything be added to the RO water to make up for lost minerals? PH is 5.6 (no TDS yet, will have when nutes are added). This information took me a while to compile, so I was just runnin ii by you guys to make sure it was all up to parr.

oh yea, and i've been meaning to ask if its safe to post this kind of stuff here?

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water temp should be no higher than 75 degrees...
preferably even cooler.. like 70-72 farenheit..

: )
iloveyou

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Yes... this is true... but I'm working on it. I plan on doing the "cheap rez cooler" thing... a small PC fan on a 90degree PVC elbow, blowing air into your rez. Supposedly, this will work wonders...

Let's see if I can do it during this weekend.

....<><>.... Thanks gK....

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Originally Posted by BlazeIdo

I just looked at the GH site and figured out the difference between their nutrients and supplements (a lot clearer now). So im guessing that the floralicous grow and bloom plus the foxfarm big bloom isn't going to be sufficient by itself. Also if grown from seed in DWC does starting the GH flora 3-series nutrients at half the recommended clone level plus the floralicous grow at half its recommended level once I hit the 4th set of true leaves sound about right. Should anything be added to the RO water to make up for lost minerals? PH is 5.6 (no TDS yet, will have when nutes are added). This information took me a while to compile, so I was just runnin ii by you guys to make sure it was all up to parr.

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Blaze, I don't have the experience to tell you if it'll work or not (the FoxFarm)... right now, this is my 1st grow... I'm just following directions and suggestions. :)

I've found that it's better to underfert your plants, than to risk over fertilizing them. I still haven't had such luck and overferted one of my girls... althought I was close... very close... two or three fan leaves are SUPER dark green (signs of overfert).

RO water... definitely, you need to add CalMag PLUS. The RO process removes, basically, everything. You need to add those trace minerals back. CalMag PLUS :thumbsup:

The pH of 5.6 sounds good... :) I'm keeping it around 5.80 or something like that... there's a nifty chart in the FAQs, and on the second post of this thread. Save it if you can to your computer.

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oh yea, and i've been meaning to ask if its safe to post this kind of stuff here?

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Well, it's all relative. Safe compared to.... ???....

Much of the safety depends on yourself. Don't do dumb stuff online. Don't say where you're from. Don't give out your addy. Don't post your Yahoo!, gMail, Hotmail, etc. eMail addresses. Post your HushMail address only (or the equivalent). Whenever you're communicating or something, use different eMails for each case... don't use your same hushmail addy for eBay, as, you'll be linking both your real name/addy with that hushmail addy.

Is it possible that the feds, FBI, NSA, etc. are getting all this, and following people? Well, yes.

But, you got to put it in context... I don't think they'll go after two plants inside a closet. Maybe a 550 plant grow... but two plants? A newb? Couple of ounces? I don't think they're so much inclined.

That's it, basically for safety. :)

Peace out gK and bIdo,

-turtle420 :cool:
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idk if anyone said this yet but that reflective sheeting will cause hot spots it would be best for maxx Light to use a Flat white mylar/plastic or paint a flat surface with Flat/satin White Paint White will reflect the light spectrum much more effenctly:smokin: Also clear tubbing will acctract the grown of algee try and get some Blue or Black tubeing ( kick ass set up tho nice job)

Hello again, :D

Almost forgot...

My clones... the clones I got for my new mother plants... one of them has heavily wilted. I didn't water yesterday, when I should have (didn't open the mother cab).

Here's my QUESTION:::
What ferts should I be giving them?

I'm using Schlutz Cactus Juice, which is (if I remember right), 2-7-7. I don't want her to want to flower. Should I use the bat guano I have? I think it's 11-2-3 or something like that. Ughhh... guano smell... ughh...

The situation is: They're mother plants. Want to keep them short and sweet. Maybe 3-4 cuttings every 1-2 months.

I'll give an update tomorrow on how this specific clone is doing... and I'll post a picture of the other one, as it's in better shape than the one you're seeing.

Thanks for the help, take much care everybody,

-turtle420 :cool:
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H202 telling you might save that dehydragnated one pour that on there like hella water and oxygen try save it. Zandor right you need bigger baskets for your roots. Your plants do not need P2O5 right now and giveing it to it will not make it bud it will only bud due to light cycle change 12/12

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Originally Posted by Krogith

idk if anyone said this yet but that reflective sheeting will cause hot spots it would be best for maxx Light to use a Flat white mylar/plastic or paint a flat surface with Flat/satin White Paint White will reflect the light spectrum much more effenctly:smokin: Also clear tubbing will acctract the grown of algee try and get some Blue or Black tubeing ( kick ass set up tho nice job)

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Thanks for the input Krogith...

That reflective material is Mylar... not aluminum foil. I'm not worring much about hotspots created by Mylar... if any.

Here's the clear response on why Mylar is a better option than white paint:
http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=37730

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Well lets think about this a second. I use only Mylar 2 mil my self and here’s why.

One standard HPS bulb puts out 140,000 Lumens. If White paint reflects 86% light you only end up with 120,400 lumens reflected. Sidelight is as important as top light but all to much people forget it all together. You lose 19,600 lumens that is absorbed by the paint.

With Mylar you reflect back 98% of the light that hits it. So the same 140,000 lumens HPS light as before you only lose 2800 lumens so you get 137,200 lumens reflecting back. That’s like adding a 150w HPS light for free. If you have more lights like I do then it ads up even more. With 6 1000 watt HPS light and Mylar you get another 100,800 lumens of light just for using Mylar. That’s like the 7th light of 1000 watts is free.

That’s why you should use Mylar It’s all in the math.

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As to the clear tubbing: Yes, you're right. I know. I covered it with aluminum foil (wow! Is this the foil you're reffering to?) to keep the light out. I'll try and get the the black tubing for the future...

Thanks for the props on the cabinet Krogith... thanks for posting. :)

Best to you,

-turtle420 :cool:
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H202 telling you might save that dehydragnated one pour that on there like hella water and oxygen try save it. Zandor right you need bigger baskets for your roots. Your plants do not need P2O5 right now and giveing it to it will not make it bud it will only bud due to light cycle change 12/12

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Hmmm... thanks! I'll try that H2O2 thing... I'll do a search here to see what I come up with (recepies).

As to my plants needing "P2O5"? What? What's P2O5?

Thanks for the help Krogith!

Turtle, What form does that calmag plus come in? I have seen it in pill form mostly. What kind and how much should be used per gallon of water?

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Turtle, What form does that calmag plus come in? I have seen it in pill form mostly. What kind and how much should be used per gallon of water?

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Here's what I've got:
http://www.bghydro.com/BGH/itemdesc....EGCM32&eq=&Tp=

I think that the CalMag you've seen in pill form, is supplements for the human body.... again, I think... was that from an eBay search?
I think there's a vitamin pill for humans on eBay... called CalMag.

But anyways, you've got your link.... that's the stuff we want for out plants.

I personally don't have any negative experiences from lack of those minerals, but before I started, I read long ago LateWood, Zandor, gK, etc. giving props to CalMag PLUS.... so, I'll take their word for it without hesitation.

CONCENTRATIONS: I don't have the bottle with me, but I really don't have an idea how much is it. I don't remember. I just follow directions. It isn't that much per gallon... but I don't remember. I'll have that number for you later... :)

Take much care bIdo,

-turtle420 :cool:
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