Christians Beware: Jesus Kills Babies And Supports Genocide

According to mainstream Christianity, Jesus is a baby-killer. They don't like to publicize this fact, but it's true. Most strains of Christ worship preach the idea of the Trinity, which states explicitly that Jesus = God and God = Jesus. They are one and the same entity.

Christians also take the Bible to be a trustworthy book. If the Bible is not trustworthy, there is no reason to believe Jesus even existed, much less that he was the Son of God. The Bible is the sole source of this belief. Christians have to have faith in the Bible or else they wouldn't believe Jesus to be who they claim he is. They routinely use the Bible as a source of moral thought and believe Jesus/God to be a morally upright individual. They even worship this creature. And yet, right in the Bible, we see Jesus/God performing the murders of countless children.

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Originally Posted by Deuteronomy 2:33-35

And the LORD our God (= Jesus) delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people.

And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain:

Only the cattle we took for a prey unto ourselves, and the spoil of the cities which we took.

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Originally Posted by Deuteronomy 20:13-17

And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: (Whatever happened to "thou shalt not kill?")

But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee.

Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities which are very far off from thee, which are not of the cities of these nations.

But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth: (That's right, Jesus just said "save alive nothing that breatheth"!)

But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee:

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That's genocide! Jesus supports ethnic cleansing! Leave nobody alive, he says. Not one child or one woman. Kill them all, just because of their race. What a sick fuck. I really don't understand how people can be Christians when their own holy book admits that Jesus is a genocidal baby-murderer. Come on, admit it people. No loving God would ever even think of doing that.

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Originally Posted by 1 Samuel 15:2-3

Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.

Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

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Some more Jesus-approved genocide. Kill every Amalekite, just because they are the descendants of a people who got in the way of the Israelites crossing the desert a few hundred years before. What a sick, sick creature. Should we kill every German alive today because they got in the way of the Jews during the Nazi regime? Jesus would seem to have no problem with such an action.

And then there's Noah's flood. We all know this story. A few humans irritate God/Jesus, so he decides to murder almost every living creature on the planet in cold blood. And we present this to our children as a cute story, when Hitler and Stalin combined could not have done worse.

For those who for some reason think Jesus didn't believe in the Old Testament, he even admits what he did:

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Originally Posted by Luke 17:26-27

And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

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That's Jesus, admitting that God (i.e. himself) viciously murdered almost every land creature on Earth because the activities of a few humans had irritated him. And he doesn't even apologize.

Here we see Jesus use bears to kill forty children for taunting a bald man:

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Originally Posted by 2 Kings 2:23-24

And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.

And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.

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As if Jesus hadn't had enough dead children to satisfy him, he comes out and decrees this:

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Originally Posted by Leviticus 20:9

For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.

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WHY DO CHRISTIANS STILL PUBLISH THIS STUFF? THAT'S BLATANT SUPPORT FOR CHILD MURDER!!! STOP IT ALREADY! There's no question about it, the Bible is not a good guide for moral thought unless you really pick and choose. Take the idea "thou shalt not kill". That's a good idea, but it's just common sense. How many philosophers have come up with that idea on their own, and without supporting child murder at the same time? They deserve much more respect than this mass murderer Jesus guy.

We can do a lot better just by thinking things through ourselves and acting in a spirit of respect for our fellow man. We don't need any holy books or holy leaders to tell us what to do, especially when they reflect moralities so ancient that they have no relevance to modern civilized society. If there is a loving God, the heinous creature in the Bible can't be it.

wow how revealing...


im gonna go commit murder and justify it with my religious rights.

the lord giveth the lord taketh away blessed be the name of the LORD

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Originally Posted by rldqaz

the lord giveth the lord taketh away blessed be the name of the LORD

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I think that is the most foolish comment I've ever heard from a Christian.

How dare you worship a creature that contradicts itself. How dare you follow the orders of a creature and then let He do what He wants. You worship a hypocrite, and it's apparent that Jesus hates hypocrites. Maybe, you should listen to Jesus, who was probably just a man, maybe a man that had more abilities than most just because he awakened, but maybe you should listen to him and not worship this hypocritical being.

You fundamentalist Christians sicken me.

oneironaut, can you say equivocation?

I don't know why you always insist so hard on literal interpretation, unless you just think you look heroic charging at straw men.

Again, as usual, I think I'm even with you in spirit, sort of, but geez do you have to be such an asshole all the time?

The fact is I've rarely seen a fundamentalist christian hardliner who insists on literal interpretation arguing with you on Cannabis.com.

* I say all this out of a sense of love *

You're arguments show no logical reason to conclude that Jesus condoned, let alone acted out, the slaughtering of babies or mass genocide

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Originally Posted by Pyramidsonmars

You're arguments show no logical reason to conclude that Jesus condoned, let alone acted out, the slaughtering of babies or mass genocide

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y'know, i was gonna say... where does it say "'Jesus said this was right"? where does it actually say that jesus agrees with this, and im pretty sure, even though i dont read the bible, that somewhere it says he does not agree with the LORD's workings.


all in all, isnt that why he sacrificed himself? in protest to his own father i say.

Oneironaut, I'm so sick of reading your Christian bashing posts... Just please give it a rest, you don't have to, but come on man theres no need for all this negativity! :thumbsup:

righto, makes ya just as bad as you think the christians you're bashing are...

How can you quote Deuteronomy as speaking of Jesus before his existence? That first passage is over 1200 B.C.

I looked up that passage and it says (33-35) But the Lord Our God handed him over to us, and we crushed him, his sons, and all his people. We conquered all his towns and completely desroyed everyone- men, women, and children. Not a single person was spared. We took all the livestock as plunder for ourselves, along with anything of value from the thowns we ransacked.

Now, use some common sense and realize that a Jesus figure would condemn such actions, and surely God could care less.

These people thought that God had commanded them to create Hell.

I guess that says the same thing.

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Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf

y'know, i was gonna say... where does it say "'Jesus said this was right"? where does it actually say that jesus agrees with this, and im pretty sure, even though i dont read the bible, that somewhere it says he does not agree with the LORD's workings.


all in all, isnt that why he sacrificed himself? in protest to his own father i say.

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How could Jesus not agree with the Lord's working when Jesus IS the Lord. Jesus did not die to protest his father because Jesus was the human form of the father (God). The father (God) the son (Jesus) and the holy spirit (I think this would be the spirit of God/Jesus that we let into our hearts when we get saved) are three different forms of the same being but that's my view, which is different from many others.

jesus is a human incarnation of the father, whome is an incarnation of the holy spirit.

god was never human untill he was christ.


the experiance was absolutly changing.

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Originally Posted by Polymirize

oneironaut, can you say equivocation?

I don't know why you always insist so hard on literal interpretation, unless you just think you look heroic charging at straw men.

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Well, if we're to accept some things as not literal and indeed merely metaphorical or fictional, how do we separate the truth from the fiction? Where in the Bible does it say "oh, this part didn't really happen, it's just symbolic"? How can you pretend to have faith in Jesus when you know the book he appears in is at least partly fictional? Who's to say it's not all fictional? To deny the truth of part of the Bible is to cast doubt on all of Christianity. And in the absence of evidence, it is only reasonable to conclude that all those wacky assertions of miracles and messiahs are just plain false.

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Again, as usual, I think I'm even with you in spirit, sort of, but geez do you have to be such an asshole all the time?

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I think people who give Bibles to children are the real assholes. I mean, this is a book that encourages child murder, genocide, racism, slavery, sexism, homophobia, and other destructive qualities. We really need to recognize this book for the mythological hate literature it is. If that makes me an asshole, then fine, I guess I'm an asshole.

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The fact is I've rarely seen a fundamentalist christian hardliner who insists on literal interpretation arguing with you on Cannabis.com.

* I say all this out of a sense of love *

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Well, to all the non-fundamentalist Christians, this only begs the question: why do you only believe in part of the Bible? How can you believe so wholeheartedly in a messiah who appears in a work of fiction?

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Originally Posted by Pyramidsonmars

You're arguments show no logical reason to conclude that Jesus condoned, let alone acted out, the slaughtering of babies or mass genocide

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Are you implying that Jesus is not God?

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Originally Posted by LegallyBlind

Oneironaut, I'm so sick of reading your Christian bashing posts... Just please give it a rest, you don't have to, but come on man theres no need for all this negativity! :thumbsup:

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Would you condemn me for bashing any other ideology that endorsed genocide? I see that such an ideology has immense influence in this country (about half of all Americans believe the world to be 6,000 years old) and I am doing what I can to combat it. Christianity breeds hatred, war, intolerance, depreciation of earthly life, and anti-scientific attitudes. I think that is good reason to attempt to falsify it.

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Originally Posted by beachguy in thongs

How can you quote Deuteronomy as speaking of Jesus before his existence? That first passage is over 1200 B.C.

I looked up that passage and it says (33-35) But the Lord Our God handed him over to us, and we crushed him, his sons, and all his people. We conquered all his towns and completely desroyed everyone- men, women, and children. Not a single person was spared. We took all the livestock as plunder for ourselves, along with anything of value from the thowns we ransacked.

Now, use some common sense and realize that a Jesus figure would condemn such actions, and surely God could care less.

These people thought that God had commanded them to create Hell.

I guess that says the same thing.

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Well, if God is warlike and Jesus is peacelike, that suggests to me that Jesus is not God and Christianity is a farce. But that's just me and my logic.

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Originally Posted by Stoner Shadow Wolf

jesus is a human incarnation of the father, whome is an incarnation of the holy spirit.

god was never human untill he was christ.


the experiance was absolutly changing.

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How so? Didn't God already know what it would be like to be a human? Or did God not know everything?

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Originally Posted by Oneironaut

Well, if God is warlike and Jesus is peacelike, that suggests to me that Jesus is not God and Christianity is a farce. But that's just me and my logic.

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Well, you may know of my Roman Catholic upbringing, confirmed at St. Mary's. I have never looked at Jesus as God, but a creation of God sent to Earth to help humanity. We killed him, because humanity is evil. The same exact thing happened with Jimi Hendrix. If you don't believe humanity killed Hendrix, drugs did, then don't discuss that. Even if Jesus is not real, he still is better than all of us and someone whom we should all strive to be.

Jesus is God just like the tree in my backyard is God, and me and you. Him being the chosen one gave him a closer relationship with God to be able to relay His messages. But, just like the people threw around a black superstar until 1970, Jesus toured the land blowing peoples' minds. The Emperors were scared, just like President Nixon. What's a better way to strike at the heart of the Black Panthers than to kill Jimi Hendrix? What's a better way to divert attention from previous prophecies, and keep gnostic and pagan religions alive than to kill Jesus Christ?

If we had seen God, as many people saw Christ, mortals would've fallen.

I didnn't read all of this, as the first post was so weird, I am sure someone has already said everything I would have said. But there is one thing I have to say. Jesus may not have existed??? Are you fucking kidding??

Now on the bible thumping scale I am about as far in the negative that you can get. But jesus, my friend, was real. I won't get into how I know this, or you'll just think I am crazy. He was a human, a plan old no walkin' on water human. But he exsited, and he healed people, mirraculously. He wasn't the only one who did these special things,was buddah made up too, and all 20 or however many dali lahmas, people do these things today. And I am not talking about people in crowds "PRAYING TO THE LORD TO TAKE AWAY THIS 10 YEAR OLDS BLINDNESS". I am talking quiet, spiritual people trainning in different healing modalities.

I am done. I don't know what else to say. I started this thread sober, and smoked one while I worte it. But damn! I am an indigo, and for those who know what that is, know that it was imposible to keep my mouth shut.

Eva

...he was also black

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Originally Posted by siSTARindigo

I didnn't read all of this, as the first post was so weird, I am sure someone has already said everything I would have said. But there is one thing I have to say. Jesus may not have existed??? Are you fucking kidding??

Now on the bible thumping scale I am about as far in the negative that you can get. But jesus, my friend, was real. I won't get into how I know this, or you'll just think I am crazy. He was a human, a plan old no walkin' on water human. But he exsited, and he healed people, mirraculously. He wasn't the only one who did these special things,was buddah made up too, and all 20 or however many dali lahmas, people do these things today. And I am not talking about people in crowds "PRAYING TO THE LORD TO TAKE AWAY THIS 10 YEAR OLDS BLINDNESS". I am talking quiet, spiritual people trainning in different healing modalities.

I am done. I don't know what else to say. I started this thread sober, and smoked one while I worte it. But damn! I am an indigo, and for those who know what that is, know that it was imposible to keep my mouth shut.

Eva

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I read this, siSTARindigo, and felt ashamed that I didn't stop halfway through and smoke a bowl :thumbsup: !

By the way, sober or high, your 'N' key sticks, on your keyboard.

You know, although Sam Harris is a militant atheist, he finds fundamentalists to be ultimately more logical than mainstream christians, and he makes a good point. Regular Christians are of the sort that say "I like to believe there is a God because it makes more sense that way" or something like that. They choose to believe whatever seems more convenient to them and choose to ignore the rest, because it's not quite palatable. At least fundamentalists have the conviction of their beliefs, and believe the whole goddamn thing.

Moderates, you have to choose what side you're on. Either you believe, or you don't, but you can't pick and choose what you like to believe because some things sound nice, while other things don't sound so good... And that's the hypocrisy Oneironaut is pointing out. Rock on, brother! :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Oneironaut

How so? Didn't God already know what it would be like to be a human? Or did God not know everything?

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yes, god did KNOW what it was like to be human, just like a insectologist "knows" what it's like to be a bug.

god had never EXPERIANCED being a human untill he was christ. the experiance is FAR different than simply knowing, come on, you should know that.


sure, you can KNOW what meditation is, but EXPERIANCING it changes everything.

sorry about the 'n' key, but it isn't the only one that sticks. I spilled an energy drink on my keyboard. still works though, sort of :)

I don't even know what to say... "I'm sick of hearing your anti-christian bullshit"?

Ok, it clearly states in the Bible that thou shalt do all the heinous shit that was listed in the first post. That we can all agree on... it's a fact. But now people are saying that maybe Jesus was only following commands from the father (or something to that effect) and that maybe he didn't agree with the murder and such but had to forfill the fathers wishes anyway. Ok, so God then is responsible... now if this is the case, I don't understand how people can worship this dude who contradicts himself all the time in his great big book and likes to kill innocent children. But then there are some who say maybe thread starter shouldn't take the text so literally... but why does everyone else? What if God is just a figurative term for something else? God... it jusr doesn't make any sense!

er once again...


god said that, then when he came down to earth, he saw that he was wrong, and, as jesus, he gave us proof that he did not agree with himself any more, since jesus no longer agreed with god, and if jesus IS god...


well... god had obviously contradicted himself, and when he tried to make up for it, by coming down to earth as christ, he fucked it up, and THIS, this very moment, is the result. yeah, i'd say he fucked up, and we need to try and once again grasp his intentions... rather than being so retardedly absorbed by his contradictions and hyppocrisy.

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Originally Posted by Oneironaut

I think people who give Bibles to children are the real assholes. I mean, this is a book that encourages child murder, genocide, racism, slavery, sexism, homophobia, and other destructive qualities. We really need to recognize this book for the mythological hate literature it is. If that makes me an asshole, then fine, I guess I'm an asshole.

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I really think you just like being an asshole.

My parents gave me a copy of Hop on Pop by Dr Suess when I was a child, but that didn't mean I read it literally.

Why do you Always assume literal interpretation? Can't you ease up on the nice, chill christians who just think that there was some spiritually proficient individual during a time period roughly in line with 30CE (AD if you prefer, but you probably won't) who had some good shit to say in terms of how people should treat other people?

I think you need to understand the role myths play in any society, being both a positive and sometimes negative force. But always there. I think it's the people who interpret literally that cause a lot of the problems (personal view). So why would you want to do the same thing?

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Originally Posted by Oneironaut

Christianity breeds hatred, war, intolerance, depreciation of earthly life, and anti-scientific attitudes. I think that is good reason to attempt to falsify it.

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An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind Oneironaut... You can't combat intolerance with more intolerance.

For your consideration...

There is a god, I don't care if anyone agrees with me. But jesus was not god anymore than you and I are god, which is to say that he is no better than us. Yet we are all god, being a spark of divine light from God our creator.

And being here on earth we do have what is called free will. Yes there is a plan, and that plan involves every single speck on this earth, including earth itself. But we are "here" for a reason. A place with free will, and obsticles that we are to overcome. The purpose is to learn, and grow, and experience. Cause and effect. The future isn't written in stone, it is just an outline.

From what I understand the world is changing drastically, and quickly. This next year is going to be a crazy one (and I am comparing it to 2005). Almost all news will be either really REALLY good, or really REALLY bad. A lot of people are going to die, a lot will be born. Our new kids won't tolerate lies or deceit. The world is going to change, and if your alive at this time then you are very important. These things will become more and more clear to everyone.

God does exist. And so does jesus. Angels, "aliens", crystals, and *herbs* can help you increase your vibration, reincarnation does exist.

I am sure some with think I am crazy. Some won't. I don't care what you believe, so just please ignore mine if they don't fit with yours.

I think everyone needs to dropped everything everyone has told them, and meditate for as long as it takes, just like Buddah did. Go inside and ask your self what YOUR truth is. And then quiet analizing ancient text. You know deep inside where you came from, go inside and ask. everyone needs to quite looking for outside sources to answer questions.

Eva

you must first anaylize yourself before you will be mentally fit to take any other perspectives into consideration.

meditation is deffenitely a key ingrediant in awakening, not reading the bible or listening to preachers, they are only there to help keep you going, reassurance, not guidance!

you can only guide yourself! allowing others to guide you takes away part of the experiance, the most important part! perhaps even the experiance itself!

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Originally Posted by Polymirize

Why do you Always assume literal interpretation? Can't you ease up on the nice, chill christians who just think that there was some spiritually proficient individual during a time period roughly in line with 30CE (AD if you prefer, but you probably won't) who had some good shit to say in terms of how people should treat other people?

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But the thing is most people take it literally. You can't believe that Oneironaut is actually taking this seriously, can you? He is just pointing out the irony in you're chill christians killing babies. Why are YOU taking things so literally?

Most people don't even know shit about Jesus and his believes and his moral values and whatever, because The Bible is just too hard to understand for most people... so they take it LITERALLY. He DID have good shit to say about how to treat you're fellow person, but it just flys over people's heads. Otherwise, we along with the followers of any other deity, would be getting along. And that's a thumbs up for Jesus... :thumbsup:

You should have known... people are stupid. Thanks J-dawg.

i say we bash only stupid people who post, no going off on rants about what religion isnt being stupid on the forums :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by CocaCola

You should have known... people are stupid.

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If your friend jumped off a bridge, would you jump too?

Either way, I'd probably laugh a little. And that would be wrong of me, but at least I'm honest. Point being however, please don't use other peoples stupidity to justify your own.


And SSW, too easy....

If my friend jumped off a bridge I'd be devastated, man. Why are you asking if I'd follow? I really don't see you're point. And also... I'm trying to justify my stupidity? Was that supposed to offend me? What does that even mean? To justify ones stupidity... is that like to say I'm being stupid for the right reasons? That's actually kind of funny, really.

And I'm tired so I'm really not trying to come off as an ass. I just don't get anything in that post.

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Originally Posted by CocaCola

I don't even know what to say... "I'm sick of hearing your anti-christian bullshit"?

Ok, it clearly states in the Bible that thou shalt do all the heinous shit that was listed in the first post. That we can all agree on... it's a fact. But now people are saying that maybe Jesus was only following commands from the father (or something to that effect) and that maybe he didn't agree with the murder and such but had to forfill the fathers wishes anyway. Ok, so God then is responsible... now if this is the case, I don't understand how people can worship this dude who contradicts himself all the time in his great big book and likes to kill innocent children. But then there are some who say maybe thread starter shouldn't take the text so literally... but why does everyone else? What if God is just a figurative term for something else? God... it jusr doesn't make any sense!

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But the thing is most people take it literally. You can't believe that Oneironaut is actually taking this seriously, can you? He is just pointing out the irony in you're chill christians killing babies. Why are YOU taking things so literally?

Most people don't even know shit about Jesus and his believes and his moral values and whatever, because The Bible is just too hard to understand for most people... so they take it LITERALLY. He DID have good shit to say about how to treat you're fellow person, but it just flys over people's heads. Otherwise, we along with the followers of any other deity, would be getting along. And that's a thumbs up for Jesus... :thumbsup:

You should have known... people are stupid. Thanks J-dawg.

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Here are the only two other posts I've made in this thread... I guess you can use them as referance points for you're arguments against me. GIVE IT TO ME!1

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Originally Posted by Polymirize

My parents gave me a copy of Hop on Pop by Dr Suess when I was a child,

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I like the quote as it is. :stoned:

I, really, didn't need to read anymore, afterwards.

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Originally Posted by beachguy in thongs

I, really, didn't need to read anymore, afterwards.

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HAhahaha

y'all are bein' stooped :D

well the way i see it is that arguing over the existance of god is difficult, and the only way to do it is through logic.

Now i ask this:
-Isn't it ironic that when Jesus was alive he never tried to create a NEW religion.....he only wanted Judaism to be open to everyone.
-How do you explain that according to the bible, the world is only 6,000 thousand years old or so....science claims its more like 4 billion.....is it a conspiracy? wink wink
-I dont quite understand the fact that the bible is made up of the JEWISH RELIGION + A COLLECTION OF SCROLLS (several of which, named the dead sea scrolls, weren't accepted into the final EDITED version because certains events didn't match)
-Can someone try to explain the fact that the bible indirectly condemns sex (for a reason i am unaware of) and then in the vatican there are beatiful paintings of Popes with their children from MISTRESSES!!!!

Personally i believe there are too many inconcistancies throughout history to prove the existance of a GOD, Robespierre himself understood that 'religion is the opium of the masses' (-Marx) and he tried to replace it by creating the 'cult of reason' hoping that people might educate themselves and use logic instead of listening to what corrupt religious officials comand them to do.........did i mention the fact that it is possible to buy ones way into heaven by donating substantial amounts of money to the church to be forgiven for all our sins.

Truthfully, i dispise the christian church for taking away more than 500 years of potential progess in human history, instead, we had the Middle Age otherwise known as the Dark Ages.

I belive realigeon has a lot to do witht he downfall of society. I think it's all just made up. Perhaps God was invented to make the rest of the world feel better about dying. That and it gives them purpose and a reason the live. Blindly fallowing something that raises so many questions in so many people is not for me.

Or I could go witht the crazy most unlikley solution. One Word: Alians.

I believe in God..I believe Jesus Christ died for us. Some people are having fun bashing him and questioning him..blame him for everything that happens in their life so that in itself is saying you acknowledge him.He is a loving & forgiving God.