Question about a weird thing that happened to me....

Hey!! I'm new here.... I just found you guys yesterday. I have a weird question. Last week, I was smoking & when I was finished, I had a hell of a time walking or standing. My left leg was shaking.... almost like it was convulsing. I take Topamax for migraines every night. Topamax is also used for Epilepsy, which I DON'T have, but I was wondering if maybe that had anything to do with my leg shaking?? I've smoked before, & never had this reaction, so I don't know what was going on. I'm on other meds too, nothing narcotic or anything, but have any of you guys ever heard of this?? I don't want it to happen again, & I don't want to stop smoking!!

It's possible, although I am not familiar with topamax. I use just pot for my migraines. I would certainly be careful what kind of toxic coctail you are whipping up by taking topamax, smoking, and whatever other herbals/drugs you are taking.

For example, I learned I am allergic to T3's because I had a bad reaction to them one night. I phoned my doctor and was told T3's have high amounts of caffiene to offset the drowsiness effects of the codeine. I don't drink coffee or other caffiene laced beverages.

I would suggest you check with a doctor or naturopath with regards to all the medications you are taking and what effect those combinations have on you. If all else fails, just take the pot.

Thanks mfactor!!

Okay, dumb question, but what are T3's??

I also took a lot of Tylenol PM that day.... I know that has Benadryl in it. And I was pretty shaky all over, now that I think about it, but it was my leg that was COMPLETELY out of control.

Could it really be toxic?? I thought pot was harmless. Am I wrong??

As far as asking the doctor, what do I say?? I don't really want to tell him I smoke pot, so how do I ask him about this?? Any suggestions??

Ask about natural alternativs measures for migraines.I am a Naturopath.I would suggest feverfew and perhaps some yoga.Also diet issues need to be taken in to account

Yes, I was on Topamax, Baclofen (Muscle Relaxer), and Weed, because of a permanent foot/leg injury (they were still trying to cure it).

When I'd smoke Weed, I'd race about. When my apartment couldn't contain me, I went over to my neighbors, stood on his couch, and then went to get his dog out of his bedroom. I ended up scaring it as it was sleeping when I jumped on the bed. His bed was next to it.

Anyways, with my arms stretched out as far as possible, they shook unbelievably fast and figure this was what the Mayans took in order for their molecules to vibrate at such a high speed, that they'd be invisible.

If Topamax is a permanent thing for you, be very careful with the weed.

Hey Starchild!! I don't think my doc's into natural alternatives. I loved the Topamax because I lost a TON of weight on them. That stopped unfortunately, lol. I'm still thin, but I have to be careful now!! I've heard of Feverfew, but I don't know if I've ever tried it. How much would you suggest taking??

Beachguy.... how much Topamax were you on?? I'm on 400 mg's a night, which is a lot. I'm also on meds for some stomach problems, and one of the pills they give me for that are anti depressants, believe it or not. I also have a permanent foot/leg condition.... you wouldn't know it to look at me, but I'm in a lot of pain, all of the time.

When I smoke, I'm pretty mellow. I don't race around or anything. It's different every time. but this last time really freaked me out. I haven't been doing it that long. I was a pill popper, but I stopped doing that, because I'm an addict. But I smoke pot occasionally with my sister & I love it. But I've never had a reaction like this before.

You said if Topamax is a permanent thing for me, be very careful with the weed. What do you think can happen to me? I'm so clueless at this point. Because this is the first time this ever happened.

Thanks for your help guys!!

Hey Sweet Little Sister:

I think the advice you're getting here is good. Listen to Starchild. Natural remedies are the way to go and a regular MD (doctor) aint gonna go for them because he gets kickbacks from the pharmaceuticals to peddle prescription drugs.

T3's= Tylenol 3's. Pain killers of the serious kind. I took one too many and was like a pinball in a pinball machine bouncing off the walls.

Just remember, whatever you put in your body will mix with everything else and produce some kind of reaction. Some good, some bad, depends on the mix.

I was told to take SSRI's (mood disorder drugs) like Celexa, prozac, etc. but I can't and won't because of their serious side effects. I found a low dose of St. John's wort is fine for me. St. John's wort apparently contains some prozac according to my doctor. Starchild, as a naturopath, could confirm that for me. My point is, sometimes (most times) doctors prescribe medicines in too high a dosage for people. Sometimes, a much lower dose is all that is needed. This point is made clear in an episode of the original Star Trek in which Doctor McCoy figures that out for a patient.

Me, I take my St. John's Wort (300mg) daily, smoke weed (for migraines and depression), take an Ecanasia for the onset of a cold and maybe an occasional aspirin for pain. I take Gripe Water for an upset stomach. That's it! I am very careful about mixing these medicines by not taking them too close together before the body properly digests each of them. If I have acid indigestion, I take a teaspoon of vinegar. Not pepto bismol or Tums. The vinegar works far better.

If you like reading, get a book called "The Medical Mafia" by Dr. Guylaine Lanctot. It will change your mind completely about pharmaceutical medications. If your doctor is not into natural health remedies - switch doctors. It's your body and yours to look after not your doctor's. Your doctor is there to do what you want not what they want. Get informed. Using this forum is a good start.

If I can help with anything else, let me know.

I can't remember. But I think that (all three) helped bring back deep memories from before I was in a coma.

Here's a person who's on a lot of that stuff.
http://www.overgrow.com/edge/showthread/t-137946.html

Hey mfactor!!

Thanks for the help!! I know my regular doctor isn't going to want to prescribe natural remedies, but even if he did, the few I've tried never really worked for me. I've tried Ecanasia, which didn't help, & I've tried a few other things. Plus, it's expensive. Although, regular drugs are expensive too.

Are T3's the ones with codiene in it?? Thanks for clearing that up!! I tried looking it up on the web & still couldn't figure it out, lol!!

I don't know, it was such a weird reaction, I can't imagine what happened. You can't die from it, can you?? Sorry if that's a dumb question, but I really don't know. I was also wondering if you could have seizures, because Topamax IS an epileptic drug. Or maybe it was because I took too many Tylenol PM's that day?? If it makes a difference, it was some kind of weed that's supposed to make you REALLY appreciate the Christmas lights.

You wrote about docs prescribing too high a dose of meds for patients. I am on a very high dose of Topamax. But this only happened to me one time. I'm not even sure it's the Topamax. I'm just guessing. I'm also on Cymbalta, Dicyclomine, 2 allergy pills, & prescription Pepcid. And Calcium. So it could be one of those??

What's Gripe water?? Where do you get it?? And I LOVE reading, so maybe I'll check out the book. I'm more into suspense type books, but maybe this is something I should look into. I really appreciate your help!!

Beachguy, what do you mean, all three helped bring back deep memories from before you were in a coma?? And if you don't mind my asking, what happened to put you in a coma??

I was hit by a stationwagon. Don't worry, the guy broke his leg.

Well, you see, I was hit by a Chevy Venture Van seven years later, and that's caused foot/leg pain. But, the epileptic seizure medication and muscle relaxer, basically, did what marijuana does, except I lossed a lot of weight. A Neurologist tested me and then offered Neurontin. I took it for a month, and stopped. He said he couldn't do anything else. I went to an O.D., M.D., and he gave me Gabitrol, and something else, both something I tried and declined. Then he started me on the muscle relaxer, then added Topamax after a while. That was about the time I went to New York for my high school reunion.

So, for two nights, I drank lots of liquor and one beer. No weed. No Topamax and Baclofen. On Sunday, I drove back to Virginia Beach (10 hours from Amsterdam, NY).

That night, I took my medicine and smoked weed for the first time since Thursday.

At 5 A.M., I shut off the light in my living room and started to make my way to bed.
As I got to the end of the living room, I looked for the light from the window. A flashback from one of my LSD trips had happened, as the window circled around me.

Anyways, I crawled back to bed.

Here's a 2 pics from the car accident that put me into a coma, 10-22-94. I have two more that show the inside, but I can't find them, now. I was hit on the passenger side, the image is reversed.

Wow, Beachguy!! Thank God you're okay!! That looks pretty bad.

My doc was going to put me on Neurontin, but he said if I go off of the Topamax, I'll get some killer migraines for a while. I just had one the other day, & I just can't deal with them. I'm seeing this doc in a week or 2, but I don't even know what to ask him. I'm afraid if I stop the Topamax, my migraines will start up again.

[QUOTE=Sweet Little Sister]Hey mfactor!!

Thanks for the help!! I know my regular doctor isn't going to want to prescribe natural remedies, but even if he did, the few I've tried never really worked for me. I've tried Ecanasia, which didn't help, & I've tried a few other things. Plus, it's expensive. Although, regular drugs are expensive too.

Are T3's the ones with codiene in it?? Thanks for clearing that up!! I tried looking it up on the web & still couldn't figure it out, lol!!

I don't know, it was such a weird reaction, I can't imagine what happened. You can't die from it, can you?? Sorry if that's a dumb question, but I really don't know. I was also wondering if you could have seizures, because Topamax IS an epileptic drug. Or maybe it was because I took too many Tylenol PM's that day?? If it makes a difference, it was some kind of weed that's supposed to make you REALLY appreciate the Christmas lights.

You wrote about docs prescribing too high a dose of meds for patients. I am on a very high dose of Topamax. But this only happened to me one time. I'm not even sure it's the Topamax. I'm just guessing. I'm also on Cymbalta, Dicyclomine, 2 allergy pills, & prescription Pepcid. And Calcium. So it could be one of those??

What's Gripe water?? Where do you get it?? And I LOVE reading, so maybe I'll check out the book. I'm more into suspense type books, but maybe this is something I should look into. I really appreciate your help!!

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Hey Sweet Little Sister:

Of course your regular MD aint gonna prescribe natural remedies for you. He doesn't get paid to. You gotta see a naturopath. Ya, T3's (tylenol 3's) have codiene. That's also why they have caffiene. They're supposed to cancel each other out.

In your 3rd. paragraph you don't understand what happened and you had such a weird reaction. In your 4th. paragraph is your answer. As I said in an earlier post, it's usually the combination of a bunch of drugs that causes such a reaction or reaction of any kind. Doctors are just beginning to find out these things and each of us is essentially a guinea pig for them and their pills. You gotta do what you can to get off the prescription drugs. Read the book I suggested and read others from that book's bibliography. Let me know if you have trouble finding the book.

Gripe water? You've never had a baby I take it. I think most parents know about Gripe Water. You'll find it in the baby section with diapers, wipes, baby lotions etc. It's used to settle baby's tummy or help a cholicy baby. There are 2 kinds. 1 has alcohol and 1 does not. Alcohol is used to make you drowsy. Better try the one without.

It could also quite possible that the weed you smoked wasn't properly flushed and you smoked some chemical residue like fertilizer of grow nurtients. Some growers are plain lazy about growing their weed. Towards the end of the flowering stage and just before harvest, no more nutrients should be added. The plants should be watered with water only. This helps the plant cleanse itself of the nutrients used to make it grow. So, when you smoke it, you are smoking plant and not a plant still laced with nutrient compounds. I've had some interesting reactions to this kind of impure pot and most of us on MM are very picky about the pot we smoke and how it was grown. We can only really handle clean and pure pot. Pot that has had its nutrients flushed out before harvest.

I hope this helps some more. MM isn't always the answer for everyone, but for most of us, it is a universal medication. Good luck in your search and don't stop learning. If I can be of more help just ask. :thumbsup:

Thanks, mfactor. That's pretty interesting, about growing it.... I never thought about that. Although as far as I know, I'm the only one it happened to. My sister smokes WAY more than I do, so her tolerance is much better than mine. Although my niece will be moving in with me in a few months, and she always has some, so I'm sure I'll be smoking much more once she moves in.

That's the first time that's ever happened to me, so now I'm beginning to wonder if it's what you said, about the grower, or maybe because I took so many Tylenol PM's that day. I'm seeing my Neurologist tomorrow, and I'm wondering if there's a way to sneak the question in. He knows I'm an addict.... I told him this when I was in recovery so he wouldn't give me any more Fioricets. I got into some serious trouble with them & Soma, but I'd kind of like to ask him without letting him know it's me who's smoking. But saying I have a "friend" who wants to know sounds like I'm in high school, LOL!! Any suggestions??

And you're right, I've never had kids. I always wanted them.... everyone thinks I'd be a great mom, but I never had them. But I have nieces & nephews & I've still never seen Gripe water. I've been in the baby section a million times. I'll have to look for it.

Thanks again mfactor, you've been a HUGE help!! I almost didn't post this question because I read one post where someone asked a question, & someone ripped into the person, calling him names. I just found this board, so I didn't know what to expect. You guys are great, & I appreciate your help!! Thanks so much!! :)

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Thanks again mfactor, you've been a HUGE help!! I almost didn't post this question because I read one post where someone asked a question, & someone ripped into the person, calling him names. I just found this board, so I didn't know what to expect. You guys are great, & I appreciate your help!! Thanks so much!! :)

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:) That's what I am here for. To help others in medical need. It's a shame some people feel the need to rip apart someone's sincere post, but this place is full of all kinds. Most just make me laugh and hit the ignore button. I enjoy the alternative news and politics discussions and there's no shortage of those on this forum. Then there are those like you, seeking help and if I can help, I will.

If your MD already knows you are an "addict", no point "sneaking the question in" as you suggest. Yup, that would be high schoolish. Might as well be up front with him. Tell him you've been doing research and and you want straight answers. I can tell you the "straight" answers he will give you and they won't be in favour of pot. He doesn't get paid by dealers to refer patients. He gets paid by pharmaceuticals to sell their pills. Sounds like you don't need any more pills. You need good, honest advice, answers and info.
If he is like most others these days, he knows you are going to be doing your research and seeking 2nd. and 3rd. opinions. Don't worry about it. Besides, a lawyer taught me once, don't ask a question you don't already know the answer to. I'd say you already know the answer to your question by now. Just sound him out. Trust your instincts and if you don't like what he says, ask him to refer you to someone else.

I don't think you have to tell him you are smoking persay. Just tell him you were researching on the net about the pills and such you are taking and you came across some pot links regarding smoking and taking pills and the combinations therein. Just ask him if smoking alone might be the answer. You can tell him you don't like taking so many pills and you are considering some healthier alternatives. After all, it's your body and you have a right to put good things in it, not just what the doc tells you because he "thinks" it is good for you. Shit, most doctors haven't a clue what's good for us medically because they are only repeating what the pharmaceuticals told them to say and the pharmaceuticals have no idea as they haven't done the long term tests to determine if a pill is healthy or harmful. Always remember this, if we are all healthy, pharmaceuticals will go out of business for lack of customers. So, it is in the best interests of pharmaceuticals and doctors to keep us sick so they always have a job and display profits. So, don't expect them to tell you the truth.

As for the Gripe Water, ask the store clerk. They'll show it to you. It's a clear liquid and tastes a little like licorice. One day you will probably have kids, but get off all the meds first and let your body cleanse itself so you minimize any chance for defects in the kids. Look what the combination of pills is doing to you now. Imagine what they will do to an unborn child.

Just some more things to think about and I am glad you did post on this board. It's always nice talking to you. You can always email me at the same handle in hushmaildotcom. I'm always happy to help you. :thumbsup:

Well, the only problem about telling the doctor I wasn't smoking is that I'm still pretty curious if the Topamax mixed with me smoking was responsible for my leg shaking so badly. IF I were to get off of the pills, it would take a while.... you have to get off of them slowly, or you could have seizures. And migraines.

Now here's another problem. Sounds dumb, but I don't know where to get weed. My sister & niece get it. I don't know if they'd get it for me, because of my past problems. My sister's an addict too, btw. They let me smoke it with them, though. I think once my neice moves in here with me, I'll be able to get it more. But for now, I only get to smoke once in a while. Which sucks, because I love it. It's funny, back in school, I smoked, and never once got high off the stuff. I never had a desire to try it again. Now I love it!!

I'm glad I posted here, too. Thanks for trusting me enough to give me your e-mail. If I have some time tomorrow, I'll e-mail you & let you know what happened tomorrow. Wish me luck!!

Hey mfactor, I e-mailed you!!

Okay, make that.... I tried to e-mail you, but it bounced back to me. What did I do wrong?? I don't usually get online much during the week, so I may not see it if you reply until the weekend. Hope to hear from you!!

low blood sugar
my mom had it and has problems with smoking
candy bars do the trick

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Originally Posted by Sweet Little Sister

Okay, make that.... I tried to e-mail you, but it bounced back to me. What did I do wrong?? I don't usually get online much during the week, so I may not see it if you reply until the weekend. Hope to hear from you!!

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I don't know what you did wrong, except type my addy incorrect. mfactor420 at hushmailcom

Just try again. I aint goin' nowhere. LOL :D

Hmmmm, I just tried it again & it bounced right back to me this time, too. I have to get offline now, but I'll TRY to get back on sometime this week. Maybe I'll just have to end up writing my e-mail to you here. I can't figure out why it keeps bouncing back to me. And yes, I'm replacing at with @, and dot with ., LOL!! :p

Okay, I tried one more time, & I think it finally went through to you!! I hope to hear back from you, and I wanted to remind you that I can't always get online during the week, so please don't think I'm ignoring you if I don't get back to you until the weekend. I really want to hear what you think. You've been such a big help to me & you're great to "talk" to. I'm glad I found this board too.... there's nobody here I can talk to about weed. And God forbid I bring up the meds I'm on.... anyway, sorry I'm rambling, I really DO need to get offline. Hope to hear from you soon!!

And harmonicminor.... what kind of problems did your mom have?? I can't remember if I ate that day, but I DO remember that I couldn't stop eating at dinner!!

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You've been such a big help to me & you're great to "talk" to.

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My pleasure. I don't mind helping at all. I guess I should have given myself the handle "Patch Adams". :)

I got your email and replied. Look forward to further conversations with you.

Nurse, send in the next patient please. :thumbsup: