Terror threat: Security tightened in New York

they can just say there's a terror threat, and we have to take your rights to protect you...the terrorists hate your freedom, but we're taking it away so the terrorists can't...no 4th amendment is good for freedom...we're all potential terrorists...meanwhile the real terrorists (military industrial complex/white house) get off scot free...good for them, they won't be searched because they have national security to protect them, they can do whatever they want because they're officials and authorities and have nice suits and we can trust them...the peasants need to be shown who's boss...

http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus...0510071190.htm

Terror threat: Security tightened in New York


New York, Oct. 7 (PTI): A high alert has been sounded in New York following "credible" and "specific" threats of a terrorist attack on its underground local train system in the coming days.

The city has been put on "orange" alert which is second highest in the colour-coded system developed by the US Department of Homeland Security and commuters have been advised against bringing backpacks, heavy packages and baby strollers as far as possible in the subway stations, officials said.

Announcing the enhanced security measures yesterday, Mayor Michael Bloomberg said officials had received information from FBI about a "specific threat." But he said officials do not believe that any of the plotters is in city at this point in time.

According to authorities, this is first time they have received specific threat against attacks on subway system and information shows that baby strollers packed with explosives could be used in the attack.

Commuters are taking the threat seriously in view of earlier terrorist attacks in London underground trains and in Spain. Searches of packages carried by commuters was stepped up, visibility of uniformed police officers increased and authorities said number of undercover agents has been increased to reassure the travellers.

::tightens your tin foil hat strings:: Dont want it falling off now

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::tightens your tin foil hat strings:: Dont want it falling off now

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:: pushes tholiak's head further up bush's ass :: Dont want you falling out now.

NEW YORK (Oct. 7) - Authorities briefly closed part of Penn Station on Friday and commuters headed to work under the watchful eyes of police after a newly disclosed terror threat against the New York subway system.



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Police officers in protective gear investigate a suspicious package that closed part of the Amtrak waiting area at Penn Station for about two hours.

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A discarded soda bottle filled with an unidentified green liquid was found at the station during morning rush hour, Amtrak officials said. The substance did not pose a threat to passengers and was removed for testing.

A majority of the station was reopened by about 10:45 a.m., more than an hour after it was closed.

Officials in New York revealed the threat Thursday, saying an FBI source warned that terrorists had plotted to bomb the subway in coming days. But Homeland Security officials in Washington downplayed the threat, saying it's of "doubtful credibility."

A half mile away at the Port Authority Bus Terminal on Friday, more officers were visible on the streets, and one lane of traffic on Ninth Avenue was reserved for emergency vehicles.

"Hopefully, God's with me and I'll be OK," Vinnie Stella said earlier while clutching newspapers under his arm as he entered the subway at Penn Station.

Rob Johnson, 30, said he wasn't worried. "The cops have it under control."



Reuters
The subway is under its most specific threat of an attack ever, Mayor Michael Bloomberg said.

Mayor Michael Bloomberg called it the most specific terrorist threat that New York officials had received to date, and promised to flood the subway system with uniformed and undercover officers.

"We have done and will continue to do everything we can to protect this city," Bloomberg said at a nationally televised news conference. "We will spare no resource, we will spare no expense."

The New York Police Department boosted existing measures to search for bombs in commuters' bags, brief cases and luggage. The threat also involved the possibility that terrorists would pack a baby stroller with a bomb, a law enforcement official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing.

The official said the threat was "specific to place," and that the window for the attack was anywhere from Friday through at least the weekend.

In Washington, White House spokesman Scott McClellan on Friday repeated the Bush administration's characterization of the terror threat as "of doubtful credibility" even though the threat was specific.

A counterterror official, who was briefed about the threat by Homeland Security authorities and spoke on condition of anonymity, said the intelligence did not reflect "on-the-ground, detailed, pre-surveillance" methods consistent with credible information. Rather, the official said, the intelligence was similar to "what can be found on the Internet and a map of New York City."

The law enforcement official in New York said that city officials had known about the threat at least since Monday, but held the information until two or three al-Qaida operatives were arrested in Iraq within the past 24 hours. Once the arrests were made, officials felt they could go public, the official said.

Those arrested had received explosives training in Afghanistan, the same official said Friday. They had planned to travel through Syria to New York, and then meet with an unspecified number of operatives to carry out the bombings.

The U.S. military spokesman's office in Baghdad had no information on the arrests. Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said he had seen no indication of a U.S. military operation to round up al-Qaida operatives.

On Thursday, a television station said it held off on reporting about the subway threat for two days because officials in New York and Washington voiced concerns that public safety could be affected and ongoing operations jeopardized.

WNBC reporter Jonathan Dienst, who covers security and terrorism issues, said he started making calls about the threat on Tuesday. Local and federal officials then got in touch, expressing concern that airing the story would do damage.

The station decided to hold off, citing "the intensity of the level of the request," said Dan Forman, vice president of news.

An estimated 4.5 million passengers ride the New York subway on an average weekday. The system has more than 468 subway stations. In July, the city began random subway searches following the London train bombings.

Gov. George Pataki said Thursday the state would call up hundreds of National Guard troops and ask Connecticut and New Jersey to patrol commuter trains.

New York's security level remained at orange, the same level it has stayed at since the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks. Bloomberg said there was no indication that the threat was linked to this month's Jewish holidays.

Associated Press Writers Sam Dolnick, Jim Fitzgerald and Ula Ilnytzky in New York, and Devlin Barrett and Lara Jakes Jordan in Washington, contributed to this report.


10-07-05 11:46 EDT


Hmm looks to me like its doubtful credibility not credible.

I commute to and from Manhattan during the workweek. I am now going to start taking the express bus, rather than the subway. This is more expensive, but safer. I do not want to be in the subway system if we have a day like London had when itâ??s Underground was bombed. Hopefully, I will survive in time to retire from my job in a couple of years and will not have to deal with it anymore.

NYC needs more protection. The pork barrel method of allocating resources for it, which is currently being used, is ridiculous. If New York City goes down, so does the rest of the country - and "they" know this.

i was watching the news from new york.

there were "police"? walking around in battle dress and packing full auto weapons, they were searching anyone they felt like, i am sure asking for "papers" also.

doesn't that seem a little out of place in the land of the free and the home of the brave?

i must be to old, i just don't see the difference between what is happening now in new york, and the way it was in germany and poland, during hitlers reign.

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i was watching the news from new york.
there were "police"? walking around in battle dress and packing full auto weapons, they were searching anyone they felt like, i am sure asking for "papers" also.
doesn't that seem a little out of place in the land of the free and the home of the brave? i must be to old, i just don't see the difference between what is happening now in new york, and the way it was in germany and poland, during hitlers reign.

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Please refrain from comparing everything that you do not like to Hitler and Nazi Germany. This rhetorical device is "getting old", and it's not applicable to the situation in New York, where the largest mass murder in America's history took place on 9/11/01.

The police are NOT walking around rousting, or "searching" people in NYC. There are random baggage checks in the subways. I have not been subject to this. The City is ASKING people to refrain from bringing backpacks and large bags in the subway, so that they do not have to inspect them.

Believe it or not, I am disturbed by the infringements on my privacy â?? but that may be necessary in these times for safety.

Had our foreign policies been different, possibly this situation would not have come about. Our domestic policies for the security of the nation are hampered by rivalries between agencies. The public becomes confused when the Dept. of Homeland Security, New York City, and other agencies issue conflicting opinions regarding the viability of a threat.

The incompetence of much of the government is staggering to behold, and, for me at least, is a fairly good indication of the lack of plausibility for a vast â??conspiracyâ?� design in this terrorism story. The facts are sad, and often disgraceful, but the sources must be considered. This crew is too dumb to be able to pull off a major coup in a way similar to that which some of you are suggesting. Some power brokers WILL take advantage of the opportunities for profit, but I do not think that they would be able to successfully cover-up their participation with staging major terrorist attacks - and subsequently blaming al queda.

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."- Benjamin Franklin

or are the founders getting old too? what did they know...you don't get safety when you give up rights...the only thing that's getting old is that we allow history to repeat time and time again, and expect different results...

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"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."- Benjamin Franklin
or are the founders getting old too? what did they know...you don't get safety when you give up rights...the only thing that's getting old is that we allow history to repeat time and time again, and expect different results...

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I visited the area where Franklin lived last year, in Philadelphia, and also saw the educational exhibits. If you think that, during the Revolution, people did not have to give up some "essential" liberties, you are dead wrong. Those people sacrificed more than we'll ever know. People that were Loyalists had no "liberties", and were killed, driven underground, sent to Canada, or elsewhere.

The Sons of Liberty, a Patriot organization active in several states, were an underground group that helped bring the American Revolution to fruition. They organized the Boston Tea Party in Boston, the effigy hanging of the Boston tax-head, and had chapters in New York and other cities. Their meetings were secretive, and the price of treason was death. Don't give me this crap that the Founding Fathers would disapprove of the measures that must be taken today. They'd probably hate the current administration, but would NOT call for surrender to terrorist bombers. They would mandate that anybody caught collaborating with, or giving aid and comfort to, the enemy would be hung. Maybe if we actually CAPTURED some terrorists, and hung them out to dry, it would show them where we're coming from.

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Please refrain from comparing everything that you do not like to Hitler and Nazi Germany. This rhetorical device is "getting old", and it's not applicable to the situation in New York, where the largest mass murder in America's history took place on 9/11/01.

How is it getting old? Just because the events are separated by a few decades makes any reference t today irrelevant?

How is it not applicable to the "new york" situation? As Hitler wanted more power, he used fear to manipulate the masses and grant his police force more and more power. You do realise that all this frenetic reporting and investigation is because someone spotted a soda bottle with an unidentifiable green liquid right? green liquid that didnt match the soda bottle.



The police are NOT walking around rousting, or "searching" people in NYC. There are random baggage checks in the subways. I have not been subject to this. The City is ASKING people to refrain from bringing backpacks and large bags in the subway, so that they do not have to inspect them.

Okay, so despite just listening to an interview with a man who claimed to be stopped by police and witnessed others turn around and walk away refusing to give up their rights, this is all perfectly fine. It's rather nice of the police to ask you not to bring bags or backpacks with you on public conveyance. Students dont need books, ladies dont need handbags or purses and travelers dont need silly things like luggage..


Believe it or not, I am disturbed by the infringements on my privacy â?? but that may be necessary in these times for safety.

and just why are they necessary? who wants to hurt you? a terrorist? why would a terrorist want to hurt you? i hope it's not his anger or desperation of american/free world imperialism that makes him want to. I hope it's not the fact that millions of his people have been killed over the years due to said aggression. i hope it's not because the only access to the american world he sees are propagandistic al-jazeera broadcasts showing cheering flag-wavers supporting bush and his want of destruction in their region.
How yould you feel breukelen if china wanted to "liberate" americans and bombed YOUR home and YOUR friends and YOUR family. And the only thing you saw about chinese life were throngs of chinese people cheering the government on...what would you care about bombing them or "terrorising" them? it's rhetorical, because im sure you havnt lived through anything like that.

Look, what i'm trying to say is that the only reason there are "terrorists" is because they themselves are being "terrorised". do you think for one minute, that if america and britain werent exploiting the region like how theyre doing, that bin laden or al-whatever his name is would want to hurt us? Why would they organise groups to combat americans? why would they just wake up and say "hey, let's piss off a country with more weapons and money than us!"

Had our foreign policies been different, possibly this situation would not have come about. Our domestic policies for the security of the nation are hampered by rivalries between agencies. The public becomes confused when the Dept. of Homeland Security, New York City, and other agencies issue conflicting opinions regarding the viability of a threat.

The reason they argue, is because of control and money. Dont you get it? Who needs to fund a hospital if noone got sick? who needs police where theres no crime? The CIA will scream terror alert to make their agency look like its needed desperately while the DHS will downplay its significance to not look bad...its a battle of who gets congressional approved funds at the end of the day.
You think you're safer now that the police are searching you? you're not. if the point is to terrorise americans, then any old middle-of-the-street suicide bombing will do. I hope and pray that doesnt happen on american soil, but what's to stop it?

The incompetence of much of the government is staggering to behold, and, for me at least, is a fairly good indication of the lack of plausibility for a vast â??conspiracyâ?� design in this terrorism story. The facts are sad, and often disgraceful, but the sources must be considered. This crew is too dumb to be able to pull off a major coup in a way similar to that which some of you are suggesting. Some power brokers WILL take advantage of the opportunities for profit, but I do not think that they would be able to successfully cover-up their participation with staging major terrorist attacks - and subsequently blaming al queda.

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Incompetance? You think Bush writes his own speeches? You think Rumsfeld writes his own intel. reports? How much do you know about what's in the Pentagon? i thought it was a secret? If you think politics relies on whatever notes the leaders write before they g to sleep, then im sorry you're wrong. MILLIONS are invested into programs designed to calculate what happens if a certain event happens. There are droves of people who advise and write reports on the best way to handle a situation. And dont forget, everything the public gets in terms of technology and medecine, the government has in their grip at least ten years in advance. You think the internet was "invented" in 1996? right. try about 25 years prior and youd be close.

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Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat

Please refrain from comparing everything that you do not like to Hitler and Nazi Germany. This rhetorical device is "getting old", and it's not applicable to the situation in New York, where the largest mass murder in America's history took place on 9/11/01.

The police are NOT walking around rousting, or "searching" people in NYC. There are random baggage checks in the subways. I have not been subject to this. The City is ASKING people to refrain from bringing backpacks and large bags in the subway, so that they do not have to inspect them.

Believe it or not, I am disturbed by the infringements on my privacy â?? but that may be necessary in these times for safety.

Had our foreign policies been different, possibly this situation would not have come about. Our domestic policies for the security of the nation are hampered by rivalries between agencies. The public becomes confused when the Dept. of Homeland Security, New York City, and other agencies issue conflicting opinions regarding the viability of a threat.

The incompetence of much of the government is staggering to behold, and, for me at least, is a fairly good indication of the lack of plausibility for a vast â??conspiracyâ?� design in this terrorism story. The facts are sad, and often disgraceful, but the sources must be considered. This crew is too dumb to be able to pull off a major coup in a way similar to that which some of you are suggesting. Some power brokers WILL take advantage of the opportunities for profit, but I do not think that they would be able to successfully cover-up their participation with staging major terrorist attacks - and subsequently blaming al queda.

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if it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, and shits through feathers, i will call it a duck.

i have been around for over sixty years and have seen this coming for a long time, it is here.

you got your safety, but gave up your freedom, i will not.
in reality it is a dangerous world, and there is NO safety, to believe you can even have it, is an illusion.
the government of the u.s. committed those acts of murder, it is not the first time, you need to read more, if nothing else.
read any of hitlers writings, i have, read about the reichstag fire and the subsequent enactment's for the peoples safety.
hitlers platform was "law and order", damn man it is the same shit.
you have more people in jail, than any other country in the history of man, and your still making more laws and building jails run by private companies.
you make money off of prisoners, that is slavery.
i have been held and beaten like a stepchild by your benevolent protectors, three and half inch skull fracture and a blow out fracture of the right orbit, not allowed to get medical aid for two days,
so there is no way you can convince me that police are here for anyone else's protection except their own, they will do what they can get away with.
they are more afraid then you, hitler was a coward and so is bush.
it takes a coward to be a bully.
still no difference between, "show me some I D", and " let me see your papers"

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"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."- Benjamin Franklin

or are the founders getting old too? what did they know...you don't get safety when you give up rights...the only thing that's getting old is that we allow history to repeat time and time again, and expect different results...

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And the thing is, Pisshead, how does it stop? how does it get to the point where the citizens are forced to do the jobs they entrusted to the officials?

nero burned carthage...

hitler burned the reichstag...


how does it make us safer to live in fear and have spot checks on our personal property?


I dont hear anyone complaining about the wide-open borders. You dont think terrorists can go to mexico?

With the crime rate in New York, you'd think the police should be diverting more attention to criminals that are already terrorizing the populace as opposed to the ones a quarter of the world away.

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how does it make us safer to live in fear and have spot checks on our personal property?
I dont hear anyone complaining about the wide-open borders. You dont think terrorists can go to mexico?
With the crime rate in New York, you'd think the police should be diverting more attention to criminals that are already terrorizing the populace as opposed to the ones a quarter of the world away.

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Allowing terrorists free reign is a far worse idea than having cops spot-checking knapsacks in the Subways for explosives.

There are plenty of people who complain about the wide-open borders.

Since when has the â??populaceâ?� of NYC been â??terrorizedâ?� by crime rates? Thatâ??s been over since Mayor Dinkins left office. The crime rate in New York is now the LOWEST of any of the large American cities. This is partially due to the Roe vs. Wade legalization of Abortion in the early 1970â??s, which reduced the amount of unwanted children that would turn to crime. The departure of Mayor Dinkins and his administration, in 1993, ushered in the better-run admin. of Rudolph Giuliani - and the extra security forces, since 9/11, have also reduced crime.

For the people out there that are wondering about the REAL situation in NYC: there are no jackbooted Nazi-thug cops running wild. We have some serious security, but Iâ??ve seen the same things in Europe in recent years â?? even more so. Military cops with Uzis in the airport in Holland? Yup, but I donâ??t remember hearing anything on here about that - or Heathrow, and many other places. The dangers that had to be dealt with in the airports are now relevent in the other systems of transportation - here, and elsewhere.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...798944,00.html


You and I might not have done anything to provoke the 911 attack, this country of ours however, has been pushing our will and morals down the rest of the worlds throat, by force when possible, especially when we stand to gain profit by doing so.


http://ffrf.org/news/2005/faithbasedFEMAII.php


The other day Bush blamed the failed response on not having assets in place, immediatley blaming some silly laws that need to be changed in this session of congress.
There has not been a canidate so unqualified to sit on supreme court since they made the law for congressional hearings to stop cronyism.
Six months before shock and awe, halliburton was in iraq, building airstrip and base.
100 billion dollar NO-BID contracts- 500billion for oil exploration in arctic refuge (yes they get money for producing from us the consumer, why do we need to give them more?) this to a company whose profits columm has so many zeros in it I might have to get the wife to tell me how much it is.



shining white mansion on the hill my ass

just to clarify- we used to go after a guy named osama bin laden that was supposed to have flew jet planes in to building designed to take a hit from planes. Now how come when i was watching the CNN footage i noticed dust went up several moments before the first tower fell that kinda looks like an explosion from below. Then i found out that we have alot of fire fighters and police men with gag orders not to talk about what happened that day.Then the evidence was speedily carted away so that we could rebuild a monument to the towers jack shit has been built.OH and we still havn't got that osama bin laden 1100+ days after the dead or alive statement. The war in iraq started becuase of intelligence about weapons of mass destruction (after the fbi and cia were suppose to come to gether and get better at collecting information and the firing of some people)which proved admitibly by the goverment to be false. Now its to draw them damn terrorists out over there the first expected war duration i heard was 2 years were still there were still in afghanastan. Oh we did that invade a terrorist country we invaded a people who kind of look like the terrorists do you even know what the people in iraq look like? Well the all have blue eyes and square faces from when alexander the great came through that area.Also they don't like arabs they don't want them in there country. Vietnam i mean iraq is also about to have a civil war the shite majority on one side then the kurds and sunis on the other its already happening with informent driving the shite out or killing them.-just to clarify

What realy pisses me off is that we are two hundred forty some billion dollars in debt to china. That is enuff money to affect our interest rates. Also when they no longer see a point to supporting dollar any more We are BIG TIME FUCKED!

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In case you, or anyone else, cares, Nero was born almost 200 years after Carthage was destroyed. Rome fought a war that lasted almost 70 years against Carthage and when they finally won, I think it was about 146 B.C., the city was utterly destroyed and the population sent into slavery. Ostensibly, this was to serve as an example of what would happen to any given city who would resist Rome too strongly. Another city that was destroyed was Corinth, the year later and for the same reasons.

I really don't see what this has to do with 9/11 or the Reichstag...

I'm sorry my grammer and spelling are so bad, I wanted to comment on the speech writing thing, they have marketing firms running groups of 15-20 people in and out of focus groups, testing reactions to words, single words! phrases, slogans all of it bullshit, they pass the finished scripts out and by sunday morning this weeks agenda starts hitting the airwaves.



Maybe brooklyns' fear is rational, depending on his portfolio he may have some blood money, those 3 letter flashes on the ticker are responsible for just as many of our problems as religion.

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Maybe brooklyns' fear is rational, depending on his portfolio he may have some blood money, those 3 letter flashes on the ticker are responsible for just as many of our problems as religion.

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So, I take it that you think because my city is under attack, and I don't like it, then I must have blood on MY hands? You are one self-rightous guy. I am not any guiltier of doing anything to anybody than you are. I do not own a house, co-op or a condo, but you think because I have some moderate views that I must be screwing somebody. The state that you live in is a joke, and so are most of the idiots that YOUR stateâ??s people elected into office. The terrorists pick New York because it's important. In your convoluted mindset, you probably think that we actually DESERVED 9/11!

If you are a Bolshevik, then you might as well just come right out and say it rather than complain about everything and everybody.

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Maybe brooklyns' fear is rational, depending on his portfolio he may have some blood money, those 3 letter flashes on the ticker are responsible for just as many of our problems as religion.

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Oh yes, one more thing Vladimir. Using your logic: If you own a motor vehicle that runs on gas, and you make money using it for transportation, YOU are one of the people that have blood on their hands. I don't own a car, do ride a bicycle, and usually use the Subways when the people that you sympathize with arenâ??t threatening them with bombings. Put THAT in your pipe and smoke it!

I never sniveled about wanting our fucked up govt. to be more oppressive (protect us in these times) faux news got you riveted to your set? the only reason you don't own a car is because you CHOOSE to live and work in new york, you made your bed with how many others 10-15 mill, worked 8 hrs a day 5 days a week plus commute time at a job you cant wait to retire from, woooooo hoooooo , awesome contribution to the human race brother.
Maybe you should start smoking pot instead of just lurking in here, I know better, no self respecting stoner could make that many bad decisions and still have the audacity to sound off like an ass, nor would one ever wish for more police, you might have smelled it a time or 2, but you are not one of us.
I realize that by now you probably want to start your reply and call me stupidoff or vlad, but I wanted to show you what I smoke, and this is the office, and those are the girls I work with. too bad you wont be stuffing any of this in your pipe.
I do not buy imported oil-gas products
http://gsaauctions.gov/gsaauctions/aucindx/ I take advantage of govt. waste
I supply pain meds to those in need

You know, your constant use of this drug for all these years has gone beyond clouding your mind. I've certainly done my share of it, and I've met long-time stoners before that were mistrusting of all cops and other people "in authority", sometimes with good reason, but you have some very creative, original delusions about the world. I envy you, in a way. I would never have the courage to burn out my brain so thoroughly: Bad is good, black is white, I know everything, and so on. Good job! Why don't you pat yourself on the back some more, while you're at it. Do-Gooders are very good at this - as well as displaying their heart on their sleeves, and pointing their finger at others that they consider beneath their moral high ground. Go ahead, bask in your inflated self-image - you've got nothing to lose. You've got just as much "religion" in you, maybe more, as the bible thumpers, but you just don't know it. It's called, as you probably know, "religiousity".

P.S. Your stuff sucks compared to Thai, Black Gungee, Nepalese Temple Balls, and other exotics.

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In case you, or anyone else, cares, Nero was born almost 200 years after Carthage was destroyed. Rome fought a war that lasted almost 70 years against Carthage and when they finally won, I think it was about 146 B.C., the city was utterly destroyed and the population sent into slavery. Ostensibly, this was to serve as an example of what would happen to any given city who would resist Rome too strongly. Another city that was destroyed was Corinth, the year later and for the same reasons.

I really don't see what this has to do with 9/11 or the Reichstag...

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Nick has a hard a time with history as Pissant has with reality....gotta excuse em' I guess. :rolleyes:

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You know, your constant use of this drug for all these years has gone beyond clouding your mind. I've certainly done my share of it, and I've met long-time stoners before that were mistrusting of all cops and other people "in authority", sometimes with good reason, but you have some very creative, original delusions about the world. I envy you, in a way. I would never have the courage to burn out my brain so thoroughly: Bad is good, black is white, I know everything, and so on. Good job! Why don't you pat yourself on the back some more, while you're at it. Do-Gooders are very good at this - as well as displaying their heart on their sleeves, and pointing their finger at others that they consider beneath their moral high ground. Go ahead, bask in your inflated self-image - you've got nothing to lose. You've got just as much "religion" in you, maybe more, as the bible thumpers, but you just don't know it. It's called, as you probably know, "religiousity".

P.S. Your stuff sucks compared to Thai, Black Gungee, Nepalese Temple Balls, and other exotics.

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first you try to tell me not to make reference to hitler, now you are calling cannabis a drug, and telling a grower who has to work pretty damn hard to keep a room like that, his shit sucks, sounds like you have been practising to be an moron for a long time, i would say you made it, congratulations.

i know your town, worked on 17th and 3rd, and lived in rockaway in the 70's, it sucks, all cities suck.
i will never understand why you want to live so close together, and give up the stars on top of that.
i have not had cars or motorcycles since the 80's, i will have no part in destroying my grandchildren's planet.
i live in what is left of the bush, grow, raise and hunt most of my food, even grow my own tobacco.
the TV don't get good reception, the phone and power go out a lot, some times for weeks, it is a long way to the store for salt, but we got no cops, and most of all we get to see the stars.

Sounds like fun, Gramps. I bet you whittle a mean corncob with your old jackknife. Do you still wear a coonskin cap when you go a huntin'?

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Allowing terrorists free reign is a far worse idea than having cops spot-checking knapsacks in the Subways for explosives.

Free reign!? i ask this time and time again, how would there be terrorism if the u.s. and britain werent exploiting the middle east? Get a clue, man. The only reason a persn who's not insane would want to kill you is if youve hurt him or threaten him. You dont want terrorism? you do you're damndest to get troops out of iraq.

There are plenty of people who complain about the wide-open borders.

Yeh and look what happened...bush ordered the border patrol to stand down. wide-open borders but yet you're subjected to bag searches? and you honestly dont have a problem with that? why dont you stand up and speak out? noon'es going to stop if they arent obstructed. noone is going to speak up if noone else is willing to.

Since when has the â??populaceâ?� of NYC been â??terrorizedâ?� by crime rates? Thatâ??s been over since Mayor Dinkins left office. The crime rate in New York is now the LOWEST of any of the large American cities. This is partially due to the Roe vs. Wade legalization of Abortion in the early 1970â??s, which reduced the amount of unwanted children that would turn to crime. The departure of Mayor Dinkins and his administration, in 1993, ushered in the better-run admin. of Rudolph Giuliani - and the extra security forces, since 9/11, have also reduced crime.

Okay, you got me. i was being just a little sensational. but dont you agree that there are more productive things for the police to do than hang around and bother people rushing to get on with their lives? i dont know...say handling murders and assaults and child abuse? I don't know too many 19-year old caucasian women born in brooklyn that support and carry out bombings for al-queda.

For the people out there that are wondering about the REAL situation in NYC: there are no jackbooted Nazi-thug cops running wild. We have some serious security, but Iâ??ve seen the same things in Europe in recent years â?? even more so. Military cops with Uzis in the airport in Holland? Yup, but I donâ??t remember hearing anything on here about that - or Heathrow, and many other places. The dangers that had to be dealt with in the airports are now relevent in the other systems of transportation - here, and elsewhere.

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SInce you referred to nazis...you think hitler just woke up one day and said "i dont have anything better to do...i think ill just start a fire and create marshall law."?

its always in incriments. not even the current administration is crazy enough to just order soldiers and guards to take over...thered be too much loss of life and money on either side.

the trick is to allow it to grow...bit by bit... and then as we all get used to seeing cops with uzis in the parks and get more comfortable with them handling crime, then the idea will be to take us with minimal resistance.


im not some conspiracy nut predicting the next world war...im trying to show you how it starts so you can notice the warning signs.

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In case you, or anyone else, cares, Nero was born almost 200 years after Carthage was destroyed. Rome fought a war that lasted almost 70 years against Carthage and when they finally won, I think it was about 146 B.C., the city was utterly destroyed and the population sent into slavery. Ostensibly, this was to serve as an example of what would happen to any given city who would resist Rome too strongly. Another city that was destroyed was Corinth, the year later and for the same reasons.

I really don't see what this has to do with 9/11 or the Reichstag...

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well whoever the fuck it was...thats not the point. i think it was casar or someone...


it has everything to do with 9/11 reichstag...


in all three cases, acts of terror were enacted by the government itself upon the citizens...then they blamed it on their enemies to rally people for war...


also reference the japanese bombing manchuria as a pretext for a jap-chino war.

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Sounds like fun, Gramps. I bet you whittle a mean corncob with your old jackknife. Do you still wear a coonskin cap when you go a huntin'?

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thank you child,

i am proud to be an elder, it was hard to get here, maybe impossible for you.
especially since you would rather chide then learn, that is just your fear defeating any intelligence you may have.
i love to hunt, do not like to kill, only do it for the meat, as it will be done to me.
you hunt in supermarkets, buying hormone injected meat and pesticide ridden vegetables, that will not help you get old.
i do not believe we are born human, i think we must learn how to be.

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thank you child, i am proud to be an elder, it was hard to get here, maybe impossible for you.
especially since you would rather chide then learn, that is just your fear defeating any intelligence you may have.
i love to hunt, do not like to kill, only do it for the meat, as it will be done to me. you hunt in supermarkets, buying hormone injected meat and pesticide ridden vegetables, that will not help you get old.
i do not believe we are born human, i think we must learn how to be.

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The amount of pesticides in supermarket vegetables is very negligible, and actually kills bacteria and molds â?? not people. I donâ??t eat much meat, but usually get beef from shops and delis that are kosher â?? not for religious reasons, but just because itâ??s better.

The biggest detriments to my health my whole life have been caused by consuming grains that contain gluten. I have celiac disease and have been undernourished, anemic, and had other symptoms as a result for much of my life. I expect to have a healthy future, which, by the way, was not a possibility before I discovered I had the disorder. My blood pressure is â??normalâ?�, I have a slight mitral valve prolapse that has no health risk, and my weight is fine. I DO like to live near good medical care, even though a number of doctors did not help me.

Rural-living people do not live longer, or healthier than â??cityâ?� people. We can stay in shape and eat right just as well as those in the country. It is a mistaken belief that living in the â??countryâ?� means a longer, healthier life.

The main reason I want to leave New York City after (early) retirement is because of the very real threats of terrorist attacks. They HAVE done it before, and are vowing to do worse next time. If they get hold of a "dirty" bomb, they'll use it.

New York is a great place â?? especially at night: Great-looking women, great music, art, and culture from all over the world. What do the radical Islamists want to do? Destroy it all! I wouldnâ??t shed a tear if every single one dropped dead tomorrow. Hopefully, we will rid ourselves of this scourge of human garbage before itâ??s too late. The goal of bin laden, in case you havenâ??t heard, is to see the whole world destroyed â?? so that Allah can start over. This is not a secret, and heâ??s written it down.

If you want to keep making excuses for these murderous psychopaths, and blaming everybody else for their deeds, you are NOT qualified to call yourself an â??elderâ?�, at least not in the America I know and love.

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The amount of pesticides in supermarket vegetables is very negligible, and actually kills bacteria and molds â?? not people. I donâ??t eat much meat, but usually get beef from shops and delis that are kosher â?? not for religious reasons, but just because itâ??s better.

The biggest detriments to my health my whole life have been caused by consuming grains that contain gluten. I have celiac disease and have been undernourished, anemic, and had other symptoms as a result for much of my life. I expect to have a healthy future, which, by the way, was not a possibility before I discovered I had the disorder. My blood pressure is â??normalâ?�, I have a slight mitral valve prolapse that has no health risk, and my weight is fine. I DO like to live near good medical care, even though a number of doctors did not help me.

Rural-living people do not live longer, or healthier than â??cityâ?� people. We can stay in shape and eat right just as well as those in the country. It is a mistaken belief that living in the â??countryâ?� means a longer, healthier life.

The main reason I want to leave New York City after (early) retirement is because of the very real threats of terrorist attacks. They HAVE done it before, and are vowing to do worse next time. If they get hold of a "dirty" bomb, they'll use it.

New York is a great place â?? especially at night: Great-looking women, great music, art, and culture from all over the world. What do the radical Islamists want to do? Destroy it all! I wouldnâ??t shed a tear if every single one dropped dead tomorrow. Hopefully, we will rid ourselves of this scourge of human garbage before itâ??s too late. The goal of bin laden, in case you havenâ??t heard, is to see the whole world destroyed â?? so that Allah can start over. This is not a secret, and heâ??s written it down.

If you want to keep making excuses for these murderous psychopaths, and blaming everybody else for their deeds, you are NOT qualified to call yourself an â??elderâ?�, at least not in the America I know and love.

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it may be because you shave, i believe that harms becoming humans, it is there and growing for a reason, it will not make you clean by taking it off.
it may be because you walk on such a hard surface all day long, that really hurts your body and will kill it eventually.
maybe it is the foul air you have to breathe, or the screams of wailing sirens, it may even be the fear that surrounds you, maybe cause you never see the sky and are the centre of your universe.
i don't know what your problem is, but something has surely bent your spirit.
i have not made any excuses, and have blamed no one for any deeds, only spoken truth, i don't have time left for bullshit as you seem to have.
you have no idea what the genetically altered food you get has in it, the FDA does not answer to you.
new york is a sad place, even the trees in the park are scared, you have paved paradise and put up a parking lot.

others have named me elder, and will listen when they ask questions, they can see i have excepted my mistakes, and have made many.
like you, your government will not listen, it did not listen to the red man, as they raped his soul, they did not listen to the black man, as they ripped his family apart.
now you will not listen to the brown man, as he screams in torment and takes his own life.
better start listening, before the yellow man kicks your lily white butt.

at least not in the America I know and love.


painted by fox news



and by the city slicker, I think there might be some evidence against your burnout theory, I wasnt that smart when I started, I was educated here in U.S.
The way you throw around your opinions and your big words one would think you were pretty smart, but then you start talking about wiping out countries full of people, and as far as I can tell your research is pretty one sided, someones been feeding you the company line. You're going to have to go to other places besides redstate.org for all your opinions. peace

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it may be because you shave, i believe that harms becoming humans, it is there and growing for a reason, it will not make you clean by taking it off. it may be because you walk on such a hard surface all day long, that really hurts your body and will kill it eventually. maybe it is the foul air you have to breathe, or the screams of wailing sirens, it may even be the fear that surrounds you, maybe cause you never see the sky and are the centre of your universe. i don't know what your problem is, but something has surely bent your spirit.
i have not made any excuses, and have blamed no one for any deeds, only spoken truth, i don't have time left for bullshit as you seem to have. you have no idea what the genetically altered food you get has in it, the FDA does not answer to you. new york is a sad place, even the trees in the park are scared, you have paved paradise and put up a parking lot.others have named me elder, and will listen when they ask questions, they can see i have excepted my mistakes, and have made many. like you, your government will not listen, it did not listen to the red man, as they raped his soul, they did not listen to the black man, as they ripped his family apart. now you will not listen to the brown man, as he screams in torment and takes his own life. better start listening, before the yellow man kicks your lily white butt.

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Listen, edgar, they can send the yellow, white, black, pink blue and purple goon squads, and I'll survive. For your information, there are over 100 different ethnic groups where I live. Some of them hate each other. Some members of some groups hate me, you and everybody else in this society. Some members of my own ethicality don't like the way I part my hair. This is not California, OK? Most of us get along, and donâ??t have the hatred that you have. Threats have to be addressed, and you learn that here young - in the streets.

If you hate this society so much, then you should leave the country. Go to France. Just go. You can take your imaginary admirers with you. We did not cause all of the problems in the world, but to hear your rant people would think that we did.

If you think that the warlike lunatics from those fanatical religious groups are right, then I give up. Go ahead, have the last word; itâ??s useless to try to communicate with a hermit thatâ??s got more loose screws than an automobile graveyard.

P.S. The air quality happens to be good here â?? look it up on the index.

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it may be because you shave, i believe that harms becoming humans, it is there and growing for a reason, it will not make you clean by taking it off.
it may be because you walk on such a hard surface all day long, that really hurts your body and will kill it eventually.
maybe it is the foul air you have to breathe, or the screams of wailing sirens, it may even be the fear that surrounds you, maybe cause you never see the sky and are the centre of your universe.
i don't know what your problem is, but something has surely bent your spirit.
i have not made any excuses, and have blamed no one for any deeds, only spoken truth, i don't have time left for bullshit as you seem to have.
you have no idea what the genetically altered food you get has in it, the FDA does not answer to you.
new york is a sad place, even the trees in the park are scared, you have paved paradise and put up a parking lot.

others have named me elder, and will listen when they ask questions, they can see i have excepted my mistakes, and have made many.
like you, your government will not listen, it did not listen to the red man, as they raped his soul, they did not listen to the black man, as they ripped his family apart.
now you will not listen to the brown man, as he screams in torment and takes his own life.
better start listening, before the yellow man kicks your lily white butt.

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excellent post.


damn good reading. i wish i had some weed right now to blaze to as i read it again.

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Listen, edgar, they can send the yellow, white, black, pink blue and purple goon squads, and I'll survive. For your information, there are over 100 different ethnic groups where I live. Some of them hate each other. Some members of some groups hate me, you and everybody else in this society. Some members of my own ethicality don't like the way I part my hair. This is not California, OK? Most of us get along, and donâ??t have the hatred that you have. Threats have to be addressed, and you learn that here young - in the streets.

If you hate this society so much, then you should leave the country. Go to France. Just go. You can take your imaginary admirers with you. We did not cause all of the problems in the world, but to hear your rant people would think that we did.

If you think that the warlike lunatics from those fanatical religious groups are right, then I give up. Go ahead, have the last word; itâ??s useless to try to communicate with a hermit thatâ??s got more loose screws than an automobile graveyard.

P.S. The air quality happens to be good here â?? look it up on the index.

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your ignorance saddens me, breukelan. i mean no offense, but you post more and more like an articulate amsterdam or a disgruntled psycho4bud...

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Listen, edgar, they can send the yellow, white, black, pink blue and purple goon squads, and I'll survive. For your information, there are over 100 different ethnic groups where I live. Some of them hate each other. Some members of some groups hate me, you and everybody else in this society. Some members of my own ethicality don't like the way I part my hair. This is not California, OK? Most of us get along, and donâ??t have the hatred that you have. Threats have to be addressed, and you learn that here young - in the streets.

If you hate this society so much, then you should leave the country. Go to France. Just go. You can take your imaginary admirers with you. We did not cause all of the problems in the world, but to hear your rant people would think that we did.

If you think that the warlike lunatics from those fanatical religious groups are right, then I give up. Go ahead, have the last word; itâ??s useless to try to communicate with a hermit thatâ??s got more loose screws than an automobile graveyard.

P.S. The air quality happens to be good here â?? look it up on the index.

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Relax, man don't panic, no one is sending anyone anywhere, we are just exchanging thoughts and beliefs.

you know Relax is the only commandment the white man did not hear, must have been fighting.
all the other races heard it. you can tell by their societies and customs.

try to understand, there are no countries on the net, nor in reality, we live on a big blue ball.
where this blue ball is, we don't know, except in relation to what we can see, the people in nyc don't even look up, it isn't any use, the buildings obscure the sky.

i never said that anyone who kills is right, i think war is murder.
i have no time for hate, i can not even hate ignorance, it belongs to us all, and we all must deal with it.
don't mean to put down white folk, it is just that most of the tin beakers are white, i have seen all races strap on a tin beak and go peck for the man.

Bush Sr. Apologizes To Son For Funding Bin Laden In '80s
September 26, 2001 | Issue 37â?¢34


MIDLAND, TXâ??Former president George Bush issued an apology to his son Monday for advocating the CIA's mid-'80s funding of Osama bin Laden, who at the time was resisting the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. "I'm sorry, son," Bush told President George W. Bush. "We thought it was a good idea at the time because he was part of a group fighting communism in Central Asia. We called them 'freedom fighters' back then. I know it sounds weird. You sort of had to be there." Bush is still deliberating over whether to tell his son about the whole supporting-Saddam Hussein-against-Iran thing

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Bush Sr. Apologizes To Son For Funding Bin Laden In '80s
September 26, 2001 | Issue 37â?¢34


MIDLAND, TXâ??Former president George Bush issued an apology to his son Monday for advocating the CIA's mid-'80s funding of Osama bin Laden, who at the time was resisting the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. "I'm sorry, son," Bush told President George W. Bush. "We thought it was a good idea at the time because he was part of a group fighting communism in Central Asia. We called them 'freedom fighters' back then. I know it sounds weird. You sort of had to be there." Bush is still deliberating over whether to tell his son about the whole supporting-Saddam Hussein-against-Iran thing

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well ol' breukelen advocaat won't talk to me no more, guess i pissed off the puff.
funny when you find truth, there is not much left to defend, the truth needs no defence, it is the truth.

the people who claim ownership of this earthship, seem to be making their own wars on everything.
the owners even create their own enemies, and then arm them, with the weapons they wish them to fight with.
it may well turn out very different, may-hap even mess up their plans, if the weapons given weren't used.
for force is their only friend, fear is their only weapon, and ignorance is their only shield.
return force with compassion, fear with understanding, and ignorance with truth.

sounds pretty Gandhi i know, but after all his revolution worked for the longest.
as much as i like guns, their only good to get meat for the tribe.

btw. that was a nice photo you put up, i enjoyed it, brought back wonderful sticky memories,
sure don't miss the asskicking work though, now i just research and teach.
mitaoyate,
hempity

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your ignorance saddens me, breukelan. i mean no offense, but you post more and more like an articulate amsterdam or a disgruntled psycho4bud...

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BWWWAAAAHHHHH!!!

Hey Nick, what's with this shit in your signiture: "Force is your only friend, fear is your only weapon and ignorance your only shield.~hempity (cannabis.com)"

You and Pissy doin' a three way with the sheep fucker now? I'd at least make sure the fucker washes up first!! :D

shameless bump

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BWWWAAAAHHHHH!!!

Hey Nick, what's with this shit in your signiture: "Force is your only friend, fear is your only weapon and ignorance your only shield.~hempity (cannabis.com)"

You and Pissy doin' a three way with the sheep fucker now? I'd at least make sure the fucker washes up first!! :D

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what's with you and all these homosexual inferrences? :confused: i dont get it...


i mean once in a while is good for a laugh...but every post...im worried about you psycho...

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what's with you and all these homosexual inferrences? :confused: i dont get it...


i mean once in a while is good for a laugh...but every post...im worried about you psycho...

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I don't know if ya get it or give it....I just saw "poopsies" shit in your signature. Nothing to be ashamed of Nick. :D

Smoke a big one!!! :D