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10-07-2005, 07:31 AM #1OPSenior Member
Terror threat: Security tightened in New York
they can just say there's a terror threat, and we have to take your rights to protect you...the terrorists hate your freedom, but we're taking it away so the terrorists can't...no 4th amendment is good for freedom...we're all potential terrorists...meanwhile the real terrorists (military industrial complex/white house) get off scot free...good for them, they won't be searched because they have national security to protect them, they can do whatever they want because they're officials and authorities and have nice suits and we can trust them...the peasants need to be shown who's boss...
http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus...0510071190.htm
Terror threat: Security tightened in New York
New York, Oct. 7 (PTI): A high alert has been sounded in New York following "credible" and "specific" threats of a terrorist attack on its underground local train system in the coming days.
The city has been put on "orange" alert which is second highest in the colour-coded system developed by the US Department of Homeland Security and commuters have been advised against bringing backpacks, heavy packages and baby strollers as far as possible in the subway stations, officials said.
Announcing the enhanced security measures yesterday, Mayor Michael Bloomberg said officials had received information from FBI about a "specific threat." But he said officials do not believe that any of the plotters is in city at this point in time.
According to authorities, this is first time they have received specific threat against attacks on subway system and information shows that baby strollers packed with explosives could be used in the attack.
Commuters are taking the threat seriously in view of earlier terrorist attacks in London underground trains and in Spain. Searches of packages carried by commuters was stepped up, visibility of uniformed police officers increased and authorities said number of undercover agents has been increased to reassure the travellers.pisshead Reviewed by pisshead on . Terror threat: Security tightened in New York they can just say there's a terror threat, and we have to take your rights to protect you...the terrorists hate your freedom, but we're taking it away so the terrorists can't...no 4th amendment is good for freedom...we're all potential terrorists...meanwhile the real terrorists (military industrial complex/white house) get off scot free...good for them, they won't be searched because they have national security to protect them, they can do whatever they want because they're officials and Rating: 5
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10-07-2005, 01:31 PM #2Senior Member
Terror threat: Security tightened in New York
::tightens your tin foil hat strings:: Dont want it falling off now
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10-07-2005, 03:22 PM #3Senior Member
Terror threat: Security tightened in New York
Originally Posted by Tholiak
:: pushes tholiak's head further up bush's ass :: Dont want you falling out now.
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10-07-2005, 04:33 PM #4Senior Member
Terror threat: Security tightened in New York
NEW YORK (Oct. 7) - Authorities briefly closed part of Penn Station on Friday and commuters headed to work under the watchful eyes of police after a newly disclosed terror threat against the New York subway system.
AP
Police officers in protective gear investigate a suspicious package that closed part of the Amtrak waiting area at Penn Station for about two hours.
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A discarded soda bottle filled with an unidentified green liquid was found at the station during morning rush hour, Amtrak officials said. The substance did not pose a threat to passengers and was removed for testing.
A majority of the station was reopened by about 10:45 a.m., more than an hour after it was closed.
Officials in New York revealed the threat Thursday, saying an FBI source warned that terrorists had plotted to bomb the subway in coming days. But Homeland Security officials in Washington downplayed the threat, saying it's of "doubtful credibility."
A half mile away at the Port Authority Bus Terminal on Friday, more officers were visible on the streets, and one lane of traffic on Ninth Avenue was reserved for emergency vehicles.
"Hopefully, God's with me and I'll be OK," Vinnie Stella said earlier while clutching newspapers under his arm as he entered the subway at Penn Station.
Rob Johnson, 30, said he wasn't worried. "The cops have it under control."
Reuters
The subway is under its most specific threat of an attack ever, Mayor Michael Bloomberg said.
Mayor Michael Bloomberg called it the most specific terrorist threat that New York officials had received to date, and promised to flood the subway system with uniformed and undercover officers.
"We have done and will continue to do everything we can to protect this city," Bloomberg said at a nationally televised news conference. "We will spare no resource, we will spare no expense."
The New York Police Department boosted existing measures to search for bombs in commuters' bags, brief cases and luggage. The threat also involved the possibility that terrorists would pack a baby stroller with a bomb, a law enforcement official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing.
The official said the threat was "specific to place," and that the window for the attack was anywhere from Friday through at least the weekend.
In Washington, White House spokesman Scott McClellan on Friday repeated the Bush administration's characterization of the terror threat as "of doubtful credibility" even though the threat was specific.
A counterterror official, who was briefed about the threat by Homeland Security authorities and spoke on condition of anonymity, said the intelligence did not reflect "on-the-ground, detailed, pre-surveillance" methods consistent with credible information. Rather, the official said, the intelligence was similar to "what can be found on the Internet and a map of New York City."
The law enforcement official in New York said that city officials had known about the threat at least since Monday, but held the information until two or three al-Qaida operatives were arrested in Iraq within the past 24 hours. Once the arrests were made, officials felt they could go public, the official said.
Those arrested had received explosives training in Afghanistan, the same official said Friday. They had planned to travel through Syria to New York, and then meet with an unspecified number of operatives to carry out the bombings.
The U.S. military spokesman's office in Baghdad had no information on the arrests. Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said he had seen no indication of a U.S. military operation to round up al-Qaida operatives.
On Thursday, a television station said it held off on reporting about the subway threat for two days because officials in New York and Washington voiced concerns that public safety could be affected and ongoing operations jeopardized.
WNBC reporter Jonathan Dienst, who covers security and terrorism issues, said he started making calls about the threat on Tuesday. Local and federal officials then got in touch, expressing concern that airing the story would do damage.
The station decided to hold off, citing "the intensity of the level of the request," said Dan Forman, vice president of news.
An estimated 4.5 million passengers ride the New York subway on an average weekday. The system has more than 468 subway stations. In July, the city began random subway searches following the London train bombings.
Gov. George Pataki said Thursday the state would call up hundreds of National Guard troops and ask Connecticut and New Jersey to patrol commuter trains.
New York's security level remained at orange, the same level it has stayed at since the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks. Bloomberg said there was no indication that the threat was linked to this month's Jewish holidays.
Associated Press Writers Sam Dolnick, Jim Fitzgerald and Ula Ilnytzky in New York, and Devlin Barrett and Lara Jakes Jordan in Washington, contributed to this report.
10-07-05 11:46 EDT
Hmm looks to me like its doubtful credibility not credible.
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10-07-2005, 05:41 PM #5Senior Member
Terror threat: Security tightened in New York
I commute to and from Manhattan during the workweek. I am now going to start taking the express bus, rather than the subway. This is more expensive, but safer. I do not want to be in the subway system if we have a day like London had when it??s Underground was bombed. Hopefully, I will survive in time to retire from my job in a couple of years and will not have to deal with it anymore.
NYC needs more protection. The pork barrel method of allocating resources for it, which is currently being used, is ridiculous. If New York City goes down, so does the rest of the country - and "they" know this.
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10-07-2005, 06:00 PM #6Senior Member
Terror threat: Security tightened in New York
i was watching the news from new york.
there were "police"? walking around in battle dress and packing full auto weapons, they were searching anyone they felt like, i am sure asking for "papers" also.
doesn't that seem a little out of place in the land of the free and the home of the brave?
i must be to old, i just don't see the difference between what is happening now in new york, and the way it was in germany and poland, during hitlers reign.
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10-07-2005, 06:43 PM #7Senior Member
Terror threat: Security tightened in New York
Originally Posted by hempity
The police are NOT walking around rousting, or "searching" people in NYC. There are random baggage checks in the subways. I have not been subject to this. The City is ASKING people to refrain from bringing backpacks and large bags in the subway, so that they do not have to inspect them.
Believe it or not, I am disturbed by the infringements on my privacy ?? but that may be necessary in these times for safety.
Had our foreign policies been different, possibly this situation would not have come about. Our domestic policies for the security of the nation are hampered by rivalries between agencies. The public becomes confused when the Dept. of Homeland Security, New York City, and other agencies issue conflicting opinions regarding the viability of a threat.
The incompetence of much of the government is staggering to behold, and, for me at least, is a fairly good indication of the lack of plausibility for a vast ??conspiracy? design in this terrorism story. The facts are sad, and often disgraceful, but the sources must be considered. This crew is too dumb to be able to pull off a major coup in a way similar to that which some of you are suggesting. Some power brokers WILL take advantage of the opportunities for profit, but I do not think that they would be able to successfully cover-up their participation with staging major terrorist attacks - and subsequently blaming al queda.
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10-07-2005, 06:50 PM #8OPSenior Member
Terror threat: Security tightened in New York
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."- Benjamin Franklin
or are the founders getting old too? what did they know...you don't get safety when you give up rights...the only thing that's getting old is that we allow history to repeat time and time again, and expect different results...
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10-07-2005, 07:19 PM #9Senior Member
Terror threat: Security tightened in New York
Originally Posted by pisshead
The Sons of Liberty, a Patriot organization active in several states, were an underground group that helped bring the American Revolution to fruition. They organized the Boston Tea Party in Boston, the effigy hanging of the Boston tax-head, and had chapters in New York and other cities. Their meetings were secretive, and the price of treason was death. Don't give me this crap that the Founding Fathers would disapprove of the measures that must be taken today. They'd probably hate the current administration, but would NOT call for surrender to terrorist bombers. They would mandate that anybody caught collaborating with, or giving aid and comfort to, the enemy would be hung. Maybe if we actually CAPTURED some terrorists, and hung them out to dry, it would show them where we're coming from.
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10-07-2005, 08:01 PM #10Senior Member
Terror threat: Security tightened in New York
Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
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