City had evacuation plan but strayed from strategy
IT'S BUSH'S FAULT.....NO, NO....IT'S FEMA'S FAULT!!!
Look at all the pretty yellow buses under water and explain to me how the hell it's not the city and states fault!
City officials had 550 municipal buses and hundreds of additional school buses at their disposal but made no plans to use them to get people out of New Orleans before the storm, said Chester Wilmot, a civil engineering professor at Louisiana State University and an expert in transportation planning, who helped the city put together its evacuation plan.
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/nation/3344347
City had evacuation plan but strayed from strategy
where would you have them go psycho?
hundreds of buses filled with poor black people...where would they have stopped? under a bridge to ride out the storm perhaps?
who would have driven the buses?
how come you cant point fingers at that?
City had evacuation plan but strayed from strategy
theres no mention of where they were supposed to go and who would have taken them.
City had evacuation plan but strayed from strategy
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Originally Posted by nicholasstanko
theres no mention of where they were supposed to go and who would have taken them.
There was SUPPOSE to be a huricaine disaster plan....that the city Mayor decided NOT to put into effect.
City had evacuation plan but strayed from strategy
But you see, those buses wouldn't even be under so much water in the first place had the levees been allowed the money requested to reinforce them, which didn't happen only because Bush decided to spend it murdering Iraqis instead. Just because the mayor fucked up something too doesn't excuse the Bush administration's gross negligence, nor does it excuse FEMA's flat-out denial of necessary aid to the needy. If there's any lesson to be learned from all this, it's that bureaucracy kills.
City had evacuation plan but strayed from strategy
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Originally Posted by ermitonto
But you see, those buses wouldn't even be under so much water in the first place had the levees been allowed the money requested to reinforce them, which didn't happen only because Bush decided to spend it murdering Iraqis instead. Just because the mayor fucked up something too doesn't excuse the Bush administration's gross negligence, nor does it excuse FEMA's flat-out denial of necessary aid to the needy. If there's any lesson to be learned from all this, it's that bureaucracy kills.
Yipper, I suppose the Feds could come in and wipe everyones ass for them and wipe off all their little noses too! It was the CITIES responsibility to take care of THEIR people! The levy was rated for a catagory 3 and it seemed from watching the tube all concerned in the N.O. area thought that was more than sufficient. What the hell, blame Bush, the war, whatever!
I will agree though that FEMA was dragging its feet and I would imagine that there will be changes.
City had evacuation plan but strayed from strategy
Well, the Bush administration is the one that's deciding to spend all these huge amounts of money furthering imperialist invasions abroad. Those things aren't cheap you know, you have to really cut back on social spending at home to support the giant cancerous tumor on the world known as the US military. That's why the levees weren't fixed. There just wasn't enough money to allot to them, because of the neocon death campaign in the Middle East. No amount of trying to pin the blame on city officials can change that.
City had evacuation plan but strayed from strategy
"Hi, I'm United States Code TITLE 50, Chapter 34. I'm a collection of laws and executive orders that give broad powers to the president during times of national emergency. It's my job to be put into effect to trump state and local laws in such times in order to gain a more effective and efficient handling of situations too large for anyone else to deal with."
"Some argue that I have the strong potential to be abused. And while that's true, no one can argue that I'm not able to act quickly and save lives because of the size and scope of the federal ability to respond."
"Please use me."
City had evacuation plan but strayed from strategy
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Originally Posted by ermitonto
Well, the Bush administration is the one that's deciding to spend all these huge amounts of money furthering imperialist invasions abroad. Those things aren't cheap you know, you have to really cut back on social spending at home to support the giant cancerous tumor on the world known as the US military. That's why the levees weren't fixed. There just wasn't enough money to allot to them, because of the neocon death campaign in the Middle East. No amount of trying to pin the blame on city officials can change that.
And whats all this anti-this and that shit have to do with "City had evacuation plan but strayed from strategy" which happens to be the topic. Is it so hard to admit that Bush and friends had nothing to do with the initial mess which cost lives? And people say the the conservatives are so narrow minded!! :rolleyes:
City had evacuation plan but strayed from strategy
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Originally Posted by bhallg2k
"Hi, I'm United States Code TITLE 50, Chapter 34. I'm a collection of laws and executive orders that give broad powers to the president during times of national emergency. It's my job to be put into effect to trump state and local laws in such times in order to gain a more effective and efficient handling of situations too large for anyone else to deal with."
"Some argue that I have the strong potential to be abused. And while that's true, no one can argue that I'm not able to act quickly and save lives because of the size and scope of the federal ability to respond."
"Please use me."
Yup, and If Bush and company would have bypassed the Governor...who wasn't doing shit...the Mayor....who wasn't doing shit...and sent in the Military to clear the city all these people would have been screaming on how the industrial military complex just implemented Marshall Law in New Orleans!! Shit, Pisshead would have got a hard-on about that shit!!
BWWWWWAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!! :D
City had evacuation plan but strayed from strategy
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
And whats all this anti-this and that shit have to do with "City had evacuation plan but strayed from strategy" which happens to be the topic.
I was responding to the part of that post that said "IT'S BUSH'S FAULT.....NO, NO....IT'S FEMA'S FAULT!!! Look at all the pretty yellow buses under water and explain to me how the hell it's not the city and states fault!", where you seem to be implying that because the city and state messed up, Bush and FEMA had nothing to do with the severity of the damage that occurred.
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Is it so hard to admit that Bush and friends had nothing to do with the initial mess which cost lives? And people say the the conservatives are so narrow minded!! :rolleyes:
Of course they didn't whip up a hurricane, but they DID refuse New Orleans the necessary funds to fix the levees which were known well in advance to not be strong enough to sustain such a disaster. And it's no coincidence that every two months we're spending as much on the war as the entire cleanup operation for this hurricane is going to cost. Wars are expensive, and in order to conduct them you need to ensure that the taxpayers do not get the full benefit of their tax dollars. So Bush should be held responsible not only for the terrorism and dictatorship that Operation Iraqi Liberation is bringing to the Middle East, but also for the social programs (like levee repairs) that have to suffer here because of the money being pumped into the killing.
City had evacuation plan but strayed from strategy
The blame is on every state local and federal level mostly on the federal level because once everthing is said and done and what everyone is asking is why it took so long to help they where right there why couldnt fema help. people from all over usa where tryin to go help and fema turn them away why? and dont say its not true because it is well reported that it happen so the blame is on FEMA and whoever told them to wait
City had evacuation plan but strayed from strategy
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
Yup, and If Bush and company would have bypassed the Governor...who wasn't doing shit...the Mayor....who wasn't doing shit...and sent in the Military to clear the city all these people would have been screaming on how the industrial military complex just implemented Marshall Law in New Orleans!! Shit, Pisshead would have got a hard-on about that shit!!
I'm not sure too many people would've complained about airdrops of food and water, about the establishment of mobile hospitals and housing centers, about a command and control structure that was clear and definite, no.
I don't think anyone's arguing that the state and local governments responded properly to this situation when the ball was completely in their court. I'm just saying that Nagin and Blanco passed the ball off pretty quickly once they realized it was too big for them so that the federal government could run the show.
The federal government, however, was nowhere to be found for a painfully long week when they had advance notice and the capabilities.
Fuck, Canadian rescue teams made it to New Orleans before FEMA did.
City had evacuation plan but strayed from strategy
Crazy!! You people would blame Bush and the Fed if a fucking meteor dropped from the sky! Wake up folks!!! There are many different levels of government all with a certain task. The only thing that is really in Bush's job description is control of the military. Nothing more!!
City had evacuation plan but strayed from strategy
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
The only thing that is really in Bush's job description is control of the military. Nothing more!!
So who controls the Department of Homeland Security? Who controls FEMA?
And since he does control the military, why didn't the Army Corps of Engineers get their budget requests to fix the levee system?
City had evacuation plan but strayed from strategy
B*sh does control FEMA and homeland insecurity look it up. ANd i do remember something that congress gave full power to the Moron-in-chief
City had evacuation plan but strayed from strategy
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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud
Crazy!! You people would blame Bush and the Fed if a fucking meteor dropped from the sky! Wake up folks!!! There are many different levels of government all with a certain task. The only thing that is really in Bush's job description is control of the military. Nothing more!!
theyve devoted millions to research what to do in the even of a huge meteor hit.
if scientists knew a meteor was coming and warned the administration, and then the administration cut funding for metoer protection, i suppose you'd say it was the mayor of whoeversville's fault for not evacuating people too.
sounds like a certain national emergency i heard some "chatter" about.
City had evacuation plan but strayed from strategy
fema's budget is continuity of government, federally taking over cities, mass round ups, making sure our mega leaders live comfortably in bunkers when the shit hits the fan, etc...not so much disaster relief, as we've seen in the case with this hurricane.
when you read the fema executive orders, that's the case.
City had evacuation plan but strayed from strategy
See there! Most bitch because of FEMA and pisshead just wants to scrap FEMA all together. Why this hell is the Fed responsible for everything? What happened to the state and local authorities? Why didn't the STATE allocate funds for the levies, after all, New Orleans is there bread and butter!
