Who will strike first, Iran or Israel?

Israel and Iran traded significantly escalated threats of military attacks during recent months.

The dispute between the two states over nuclear activities has escalated, with Israeli officials threatening Iran with preemptive military strike if it didnâ??t give up its nuclear activities on one hand, and other officials in Tehran warning of striking back strongly if the countryâ??s nuclear facilities were attacked on the other.
http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/rev...ervice_ID=9440

I'm betting that Israel takes out their enrichment facilities. Hopefully not, but I bet they do!!

Israel has the bigger nuts.

I voted Israel, a country I think is screwed in the long run. When World War III breaks out, I think it will be China/North Korea versus the United States/Taiwan/South Korea/Japan, Israel versus a whole bunch of Muslim countries, and possibly India versus Pakistan. As the US will be preoccupied with China (and the Chinese nuclear arsenal), it will not be able to come to Israel's rescue as it is dogpiled by its neighbors. And who's to say the Israelis won't launch some of those nukes as they're going down?

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Originally Posted by ermitonto

. And who's to say the Israelis won't launch some of those nukes as they're going down?

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They already have that one in the planner!! :eek:


As the hordes of invading troops still threaten to overrun Israel, the Israelis will likely opt to exercise their military strategy known as the "Sampson Option." This is a contingency plan drafted by Israel after their War of 1973, when a surprise attacked by Arab nations on the Day of Atonement nearly resulted on the unprepared, outnumbered Jews being overrun by much greater Arab armies.

So prime minister Golda Meier and her war ministers passed a desperate plan ordering that any future Israeli government that sees enemy armies overwhelming their soldiers by sheer numbers, that government must resolve to unleash Israel's considerable arsenal of nuclear weapons against the invading nation's major cities. They called this desperate tactic the "Sampson Option" after their Biblical strongman Sampson.
http://www.lasthour.com/GOG-MAGOG.htm

pretty common shit.

Here's another one on it!

As Hersh has documentedâ??and Israeli historian Avner Cohen has confirmed it in even more detail in his own book, Israel and the Bombâ??Israelâ??s entire national defense policy (from its inception) was framed around the development of powerful nuclear bombs. As Hersh makes clear, the Israelis are willing, if necessary, to â??blow up the worldâ?�â??including themselvesâ??if they have to do so in order to defeat their Arab foes.

The so-called â??Samson Optionâ?� for Israel is based on the well-known story of Samson in the Bible, whoâ??after being captured by the Philistinesâ??brought down Dagonâ??s temple in Gaza and killed himself along with a number of Philistines. As Hersh put it: â??For Israelâ??s nuclear advocates, the Samson Option became another way of saying â??Never Againâ??.â?�
http://www.americanfreepress.net/03_..._policies.html

Israel has balls, Iran hides behind its oil. Israel has the excellent intelligence agency also, so they would have a warning most likely if Iran was gona try anything.

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Originally Posted by ermitonto

I voted Israel, a country I think is screwed in the long run. When World War III breaks out, I think it will be China/North Korea versus the United States/Taiwan/South Korea/Japan, Israel versus a whole bunch of Muslim countries, and possibly India versus Pakistan. As the US will be preoccupied with China (and the Chinese nuclear arsenal), it will not be able to come to Israel's rescue as it is dogpiled by its neighbors. And who's to say the Israelis won't launch some of those nukes as they're going down?

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Screwed in the long run? That would be something to see, especially considering the billions upon billions of dollars we give to the country, because its fullfilling our strategic interests. I think right now Isreal is in pretty good shape. We'll always come to Isreal's rescue-do you realize how many Israeli lobby groups there are in the US?

This whole Taiwan situation is really unstable, and I think it could very well eventually lead to a nuclear exchange between China and the US, if China decides to assert its claim to the island militarily and the US counter-attacks. Taiwan is a very strategic island, economically, and I don't think the US would let China have it without a fight. How much would the US be able to help Israel then?

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Originally Posted by ermitonto

This whole Taiwan situation is really unstable, and I think it could very well eventually lead to a nuclear exchange between China and the US, if China decides to assert its claim to the island militarily and the US counter-attacks. Taiwan is a very strategic island, economically, and I don't think the US would let China have it without a fight. How much would the US be able to help Israel then?

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I'm not saying that the US would let China have Tawian without a fight, just that we will always help out Isreael should the need arise. Isreral is kind of like a military outpost of the US, and we're more than willing to conduct simultaneous military operations should the need arise, especially when it involves the Middle East (oil). And should China attack the US with a nuclear arsenal, and if other muslim countries began attacking Isreal at the same time for whatever reason (a lot of ifs in your doomday scenario), and we drop a couple of our own nuclear bombs on China in retaliation (we still have a bigger nuclear arsenal with more destructive weapons), who is to say we wouldnt drop more on other countries if Israel actually needs help? Of course, if the American Empire becomes a nuclear wastland, then there wont be a "we" to help out Israel, then I see your point.

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

They already have that one in the planner!! :eek:


As the hordes of invading troops still threaten to overrun Israel, the Israelis will likely opt to exercise their military strategy known as the "Sampson Option." This is a contingency plan drafted by Israel after their War of 1973, when a surprise attacked by Arab nations on the Day of Atonement nearly resulted on the unprepared, outnumbered Jews being overrun by much greater Arab armies.

So prime minister Golda Meier and her war ministers passed a desperate plan ordering that any future Israeli government that sees enemy armies overwhelming their soldiers by sheer numbers, that government must resolve to unleash Israel's considerable arsenal of nuclear weapons against the invading nation's major cities. They called this desperate tactic the "Sampson Option" after their Biblical strongman Sampson.
http://www.lasthour.com/GOG-MAGOG.htm

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sounds like a pussy option to me.


what will the bordering countries say about nukes being launched on their backdoor right before the desert breeze carries it across the sand?



nukes are for pussies.

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Originally Posted by nicholasstanko

sounds like a pussy option to me.


what will the bordering countries say about nukes being launched on their backdoor right before the desert breeze carries it across the sand?

I don't really think there are many middle eastern countries that really support/trust Iran. That's why they funded Saddam during the Iraq/Iran war.
Another thing, if the fallout followed the wind I believe it would be India bitching...and as you know, the moslums hate the hindu's!

nukes are for pussies.

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Nukes are for pussies???? I suppose, makes it easier to find in the dark if it glows a bit!! :D

BWWWWAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!! :D

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

Nukes are for pussies???? I suppose, makes it easier to find in the dark if it glows a bit!! :D

BWWWWAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!! :D

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i want to laugh and punch you at the same time!



BASTARD. lol.

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Originally Posted by nicholasstanko

i want to laugh and punch you at the same time!



BASTARD. lol.

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Brings back ol' memories of the x-wife.... :D DAMN I'm glad she's gone!!! :D

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

Israel and Iran traded significantly escalated threats of military attacks during recent months.

The dispute between the two states over nuclear activities has escalated, with Israeli officials threatening Iran with preemptive military strike if it didnâ??t give up its nuclear activities on one hand, and other officials in Tehran warning of striking back strongly if the countryâ??s nuclear facilities were attacked on the other.
http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/rev...ervice_ID=9440

I'm betting that Israel takes out their enrichment facilities. Hopefully not, but I bet they do!!

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Howdy Psycho4Bud,

Yup..I've heard of the Samson Option..and it makes sense when dealing with the arab world,because they will never give up on their intent to destroy Israel and drive every Jew into the sea.

Israel took out the Osirak facility,before saddm could go nuclear,now they have even better F-16's to accomplish the mission..the new,improved,F-16I. They will be even more successful with B-2 support and F-117 support,as well as with Tomahawk cruise missiles.

Have a good one....

I believe that they picked up a few bunker buster bombs also!

yep, just what we need...trigger happy israelis with more weaponry...courtesy of mom an' pop american taxpayer.

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Originally Posted by nicholasstanko

yep, just what we need...trigger happy israelis with more weaponry...courtesy of mom an' pop american taxpayer.

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I at least hope they bought em' at a decent profit margin! Probably aid!!! :mad:

So, how many American cities would you guys be willing to lose to protect Taiwan? 2? 10? All of them? What ever we say (and I understand why we say it) there is nothing in Taiwan worth a war with China, and the admistration understands that, have you guys noticed that ever since the US invaded North Korea that... oh, wait the US never invaded NK, even though they have killed far more of there own people than Saddam. So what's the difference? They really do have nukes, and that changes the rules. Hopefully, when both Iran and Israel have the bomb they will both have rulers smart enough to realize blowing up the world is a bad idea. Sounds unlikely, but hey, look at India and Pakistan, funny thing, they both got sorta reasonable once a few missiles were pointed their way.

Torog, how can launching nuclear weapons at anybody make sense? Millions of innocent people will die. How can anything justify that?

This thread scares the shit out of me.

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Originally Posted by andruejaysin

So, how many American cities would you guys be willing to lose to protect Taiwan? 2? 10? All of them? What ever we say (and I understand why we say it) there is nothing in Taiwan worth a war with China, and the admistration understands that, have you guys noticed that ever since the US invaded North Korea that... oh, wait the US never invaded NK, even though they have killed far more of there own people than Saddam. So what's the difference? They really do have nukes, and that changes the rules. Hopefully, when both Iran and Israel have the bomb they will both have rulers smart enough to realize blowing up the world is a bad idea. Sounds unlikely, but hey, look at India and Pakistan, funny thing, they both got sorta reasonable once a few missiles were pointed their way.

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Howdy andrue,

There is something in Taiwan worth nuking China over,and that is the folks there who wish to be free from the hard-line commies that run China. The Free World..needs to fight for Freedom of all,not just for those who already have freedom. The Chinese hard-liners,know full well,that we will win in a nuclear exchange..that we would wipe Beijing and the Forbidden City--off the map. We also have superior air assets as well as a superior sub fleet and navy.

Btw,Israel,has had nukes for a long time and have not used them yet,although they might have used them in DS1,when they were under attack from saddam..but saddam knew that if he didn't use any chemical or biological warheads on his scuds,that the US and Israel,would not use nukes in response. Whereas,as soon as Iran has enough nukes to attack Israel and cause major damage,they will most likely use them without warning.

The mullahs of Iran..are insane with hatred towards Israel and all Jews and infidels,appeasing them..will do no good..they will only understand overwhelming force--applied vigorously..arabs don't respect appeasers...they respect force. It wasn't until we toppled saddam and sons,that Ghaddafi of Libya..saw the 'light'..and decided to end his wmd program. If he was still faced with the spine-less UN..his wmd program,would still be in full developement.

Have a good one ...

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Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR

Torog, how can launching nuclear weapons at anybody make sense? Millions of innocent people will die. How can anything justify that?

This thread scares the shit out of me.

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Howdy GhostToker,

If we launch nukes,it will be against the seat of command and control and military targets..we would not intentionally target civilians. We did not and do not,target civilians in Iraq. BTW,not all civilians are innocent,as you would have us believe,those who aid and abett terrorists and insurgents,are not innocent. Terrorists and insurgents,don't wear uniforms..they prefer to use the real,innocent civilians,as human shields and blend in with them.

Have a good one ...

I was referring to this, Torog;

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

"prime minister Golda Meier and her war ministers passed a desperate plan ordering that any future Israeli government that sees enemy armies overwhelming their soldiers by sheer numbers, that government must resolve to unleash Israel's considerable arsenal of nuclear weapons against the invading nation's major cities. They called this desperate tactic the "Sampson Option" after their Biblical strongman Sampson.

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Note how it says they will launch nuclear weapons at "the invading nation's major cities". If this was to happen then yes, you (since you seem to be referring to yourself and Israel as one and the same) would be intentionally targetting millions of innocent civilians.

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Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR

I was referring to this, Torog;


Note how it says they will launch nuclear weapons at "the invading nation's major cities". If this was to happen then yes, you (since you seem to be referring to yourself and Israel as one and the same) would be intentionally targetting millions of innocent civilians.

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Howdy GhostToker,

Okay..I see where yer coming from..well..in Israel's case..the civilians ain't so innocent,as most are taught from birth,and still are ,to hate Israel and all Jews and infidels and individual rights..as is being done in every arab country. There are many Iranians who want democracy,but the control over them is so brutal and complete,that they cannot overcome it,such was the case in Iraq.

Have a good one ...

Maybe you're right. Maybe these civilians aren't completely innocent, but does that mean you should nuke them? Going by this method you should have just nuked Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention every enemy nation during World War 2. Doesn't that logic seem wrong to you?

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Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR

Maybe you're right. Maybe these civilians aren't completely innocent, but does that mean you should nuke them? Going by this method you should have just nuked Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention every enemy nation during World War 2. Doesn't that logic seem wrong to you?

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This is a lot different than them examples. In which case they felt immenant defeat. LAUNCH!! We die, everybody dies mentality. You can bet your ass that if an invading force was about ready to conquer either the U.S. or China, it would be rockets away!!! Is it right.....probably not, but reality.

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Originally Posted by Torog

Howdy GhostToker,

If we launch nukes,it will be against the seat of command and control and military targets..we would not intentionally target civilians. We did not and do not,target civilians in Iraq. BTW,not all civilians are innocent,as you would have us believe,those who aid and abett terrorists and insurgents,are not innocent. Terrorists and insurgents,don't wear uniforms..they prefer to use the real,innocent civilians,as human shields and blend in with them.

Have a good one ...

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fuck that shit, torog!


dont attack civilians yeh right! just like how america "accidentally" hit TWO civilian targets in nagasaki and japan.

One tiny little problem, they might feel obliged to nuke us back. And what about the billion people in mainland China? Is their freedom less important than that of those in Taiwan? Do you propose an invasion of China? Or of Iran? Invade them with what, exactly? The US Army is kinda busy for the next few years. Sure you can bomb their nucleur facilities, but they will no dought rebuild them, and have an even worse attitude when they do. We may of course do it anyway, because it would mean $5 gasoline, very good if you are an oilman.

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Originally Posted by nicholasstanko

fuck that shit, torog!


dont attack civilians yeh right! just like how america "accidentally" hit TWO civilian targets in nagasaki and japan.

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Nick, that was 60 years ago when the military attitude was to destroy cities regardless of who was there. We are now in the age of precision bombing. Big difference.

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

Nick, that was 60 years ago when the military attitude was to destroy cities regardless of who was there. We are now in the age of precision bombing. Big difference.

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yeh, and that's why 100,000+ iraqi civilians are dead now...because soldiers were walking around shooting them on sight right?

bullshit! whether it was sixty years or couple weeks ago, bombs fall on civilians regardless.

What China really wants is to trade N Korea for Taiwan, international diplomacy at it's most brutal. Right? Wrong? At the end of the day, countries don't have friends, they have interests. The world is not so different than it was in the time of Ghengis Khan.

it's not different at all.

why do you think china is a big threat, but we were allies in ww2?


why do you think brits and americans are bestest buddies, but were shooting each other in the rev, war?


japan killed thousands of americans and now thier another ally.



it goes on and on.


if anyone thinks for a second that they wouldnt turn on us if it suited them, then i pity da fool.