If you were President WHat would your Platform be?

This was Psycho's idea for a thread but he never started it so I gave it some thought and I will start....

Presidential platform

1. Establish a standard by which we measure whether foreign workers are getting a fair level of pay. Current â??free marketâ?� practices are responsible for encouraging corporations to outsource jobs to countries that use child and slave labor and environmentally destructive practices that are not tolerated in the U.S. If foreign origin goods or services are provided by workers whose compensation does not meet human rights standards, then those goods or services should not be importable into the US.

2. Amend all of the existing trade agreements to eliminate financial incentives for companies to outsource American jobs overseas. Rather than bringing American wages down to Third World levels, the Braun administration will bring Third World country wages up to American levels

3. Election of the president:

A. It wwould be by direct election, with a runoff between the 2 leading candidates if no one has a majority. Election by plurality should be eliminated for all elections

B. there should be a minimum IQ requirement for presidents. They should prove that they can test at least at an IQ of 120, namely superior. We should not be subjected to presidents who are too stupid to understand the implications of what they are doing.

C. Money clearly corrupts the democratic process. Office holders should not be allowed to accept any contributions or gifts that are worth more than $100 from any person, company or entity for any reason. Such actions would greatly reduce the power of lobbyists to influence decisions made by Members of Congress.

4. DRUGS:

A. End the drug war that has put millions of Americans in prison and cost the taxpayers more than $230 billion since 1968. Drug problems are health problems, and they should not become criminal problems. By making drugs illegal, violent crime and gangs are allowed to prosper as they did when alcohol was made illegal, and prison populations dramatically increased. Once drugs have become legalized, the prison populations will be substantially reduced, and the billions of dollars that are spent on the drug war can be used for more constructive purposes

Like Education: The most important factor in breaking the cycle of welfare and poverty is having an educational system that provides high-quality instruction to all students

B. medical marijuana should be legal and taxed with the proceeds going to education and social programs.

C. people addicted to drugs who want help should be given their drugs in a supervised institutional setting. They donâ??t need to be put in prison, their addiction will imprison them. This type of institution would be cheaper than a prison & eliminate all the organized crime surrounding drug trafficking;

By decriminalize all drugs, the army of drug control police can be reassigned to fighting real crime, including the corporate criminals who steal the vast majority of the money from the American people.

4. primary health care should be available to everyone at subsidized clinics

Fees at these clinics should be based on ability to pay. providing universal health care for all Americans. This Health Care System will be operated on a non-profit basis, in contrast to the current system that is structured around the financial interest of drug and insurance companies and physicians and dentists who â??operateâ?� on a commission basis.

5. Decreasing estate taxes for the wealthy should be restricted to cases where there is a small, family business to be preserved, such as a family farm. There is no need to reduce estate taxes for the wealthy where only shares in publicly held corporations or luxury residences are in question.

6. Places like Saudi Arabia, where women lack basic civil rights and are treated as slaves, should not be considered our friends or receive our support. No matter how much oil they offer us.

7. Government subsidies in this country should be drastically reduced, starting at the top there should be a prohibition against giving a dime of government money to anyone whose annual income or total assets exceed one billion dollars. Why should agricultural subsidies be going to Ted Turner and David Rockefeller for gosh sakes?!

With all the money saved by ending those huge numbers of subsidies, the government could afford to pay the kinds of salaries that attract highly qualified people from the private sector. example, if every member of Congress were paid a million dollars a year, that would cost less than one percent of what it costs to run the Department of Agriculture. Imagine what we could do if that money went into social services and education. We could afford to increase ell grants so more people could go to college.


There is no reason to deprive any citizens of the right to vote.

Voting stations should be supervised and should remain open until all have voted.

People that have served time in prison have paid their dues and their right to vote should be reinstated so that they can feel like they are a integral part of their community.

Given their historical record, corporations are mindless money machines that must be carefully regulated. Corporations have no loyalty to the American people or even their shareholders. They are not human, yet their financial power allows them to hire an army of lobbyists who directly influence the legislative process in the USA and other countries.

Private corporations that create waste and pollution should never be allowed to determine environmental regulations or deal with the production, transport or storage of radioactive wastes. Bush administrationâ??s policy of simply â??trustingâ?� corporations to do the right thing is a policy of stupidity. No one with such a misinformed understanding of reality should be elected to be President of the United States.

Given that a large number of multinational corporations are now financially larger than many countries, it is important not to allow their financial power and lobbyists to influence legislation because it undermines the democratic process. So we need a Constitutional Amendment that bans all corporate and business lobbying and contributions

Shift from fossil and nuclear fuels to alternative fuels such as solar hydrogen systems and wind systems. Put more money into researching fuels like, Methane Hydrates which are in abundance and found almost everywhere. Approximately 10 million one-megawatt wind-powered hydrogen production systems will make America 100 percent independent of all fossil and nuclear fuels.

Japan is already WAY ahead of us on this.

America â??s foreign policy should be based on treating others as we want to be treated. However, since WWII, the U.S. has been supporting a large number of brutal and undemocratic regimes in countries such as Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Egypt, Iran, Vietnam, and Iraq -- and millions of innocent people have been killed and injured in the process.

The reality is that both Democratic and Republican administrations have used falsified documents and intelligence data to initiate the mass-murder of innocent people in foreign countries such as Vietnam,Columbia,Guatemala, Nicaragua and Iraq, and dozens of other brutal and undemocratic dictators that the U.S. governments has been supporting over the past 6 decades.

Redeployment of Army and Marine units along Americaâ??s borders to help ensure the integrity of the borders but this is only a band aid. We need to look at the economics of why illegal immigration is occurring in the first place. Specifically, ensure that the U.S. trade agreements with foreign countries will require comparable wages, working conditions and environmental regulations, so that foreign workers will not need to come to the U.S. in order to have a decent lifestyle for their families. Rather than reducing the American standard of living.

AND stop using military force to impose our will and culture on others. If the logic of using pre-emptive military strikes against other countries that could be a threat to America was used against the Soviet Union, an unnecessary catastrophic thermonuclear war may well have been the outcome.

Waging a preemptive war against a nation that does not attack us first should be unthinkable.

Respect all religious beliefs, because no one can disprove or prove anyoneâ??s personal belief system. As such, the government should rely on scientific data and not religious views in the establishment of domestic laws and U.S. foreign policy.

Stop all the secrecy in government, which is a direct contraction to the democratic principles of government. Create an amendment to the U.S. Constitution that will eliminate the concept of â??executive privilege,â?� which allows Presidents to hide the truth by withholding documents and information from the American people. . With the exception of obvious matters of military and national security.

Wealthy individuals should pay a higher tax rate than individuals who work for a living at minimum wage levels and the federal government should be required to balance its budget each year and pay off the national debt that now requires more than $300 billion each year in interest payments.

Restricted arms sells to rogue nations should be reinstated.

Accept Cuba or reject China- as both are communist and both have extensive human rights violations. China simply has more money and can buy more US shit..

So that about covers it....

BLUECAT FOR PRESIDENT...


OK its your turn.

in short, i would...

abolish the federal reserve and get back to a system where the money is actually worth something (gold, silver, etc...)
abolish the UN
abolish the CFR
stop all foreign aid to all countries
bring the military back home from every country we occupy
abolish nafta, gatt, cafta, and the ftaa
abolish all unconstitutional cabinet levels and departments
abolish all executive orders
abolish the unconstitutional direct income tax (there are other amendments, not the first 10, that need to be looked at too...those that create US citizens as a legal term to destroy rights...)
abolish the electoral college for a system that achieves wider representation, more inclusion of 3rd, 4th, 5th parties...

get back to a constitutional republic...basically. a true free market capitalist society, not the monopoly capitalism, which is socialism and fascism, that we have now.

i could go on for a long, long, long time...but i have to go to bed now so i can be up in the middle of the night for work.

Since our military endevors seems to be the news of the day lets start there.

Military aid:
What is military aid. A country that wants new weapons, or toys, but can't afford them. It's like our children, if you can't afford the new Nintendo, you don't get it! Mom and Dad are way low on cash and just can't afford the luxury anymore.

Arms sales:
Your country will be graded as to humane rights, beliefs, and whether this is for a defensive posture or offensive. Based on the criteria, or grading system, arms sales will be considered.

Middle East:
We people of the United States formally give notice to all. Israel was British project and gradually was put on our laps. We have gave military aid, economic aid, etc...now for long enough. When our children reach a certain age they are requested to move out and make it on their own. Same to ALL our friends in the Middle East.
We will pull out all military from all nations when the conflict in Iraq is settled. Due to our actions with other world powers this has esculated to a point where we MUST clean up our mess. After which, it will be up to the G-8 and Israel to manage disputes, etc....In return, we expect and demand fair treatment. Any attacks to U.S. citizens or U.S. territory will be investigated and if it is found that backing was given by a certain country. It will be considered as an act of war against the U.S. and have definate consequences.

Asia:
Another area in which European allies have brought us in and left us holding the bag. To China, your choice of government is your own buisiness and we look forward to a new working relationship with you. The Soverenty of S. Korea, and Japan will not be questioned. Also, N. Korea was protected by you during the Korean war and we will expect you to negotiate options that will be in the benifit of ALL the world. Any deviation from this will result in immediate trade sanctions of ALL goods to the United States.

Europe:
To our good allies the French and Germans. We are tired of being undermined by your countries in the U.N. for your own self interests. In the future, YOU will be held accountable for ALL actions which include sales of arms and nuclear technology to hostile nations. This once again will be met with Immediate trade sanctions of all your goods to the U.S.

Russia:
We have been working on the road of peace and forgiveness with each other. Let us not forget that and keep on that road.

U.N.:
This was created for a place for all nations to make grievences instead of war. This has been completely undermined by certain actions and dirty deals. The United States is cancelling all funding and request that your facility be moved to another country. We also call on the world leaders for ALL nations to join with us to create a U.N. that will respect the rights of all world citizens against unwanted war and genocide. This was the original intention and we will fund nothing more or less than this.

Military Spending:
The current military budget is estimated at 443 billion dollars. This can now be cut back due to the cuts in aid and overseas bases. WE MUST though stay on the cutting age of technology that will ensure that our system will survive any threats from outsiders. In comparison, if another country has a pistol we should have a cannon. We should and will always have military superiority to ensure our survival.

Economic aid to foreign countries:
Once again, if mom and dad are broke the kids don't get the $150 sneakers. The days of free-bees are done. Only in cases of natural disasters or famine shall there be economic aid granted.

Oil:
As we make the transition to alternative fuels we will not be blackmailed over unwarrented price hikes. The price of oil will be at a fixed rate. Fair for us while giving a decent profit to the holding countries. Any act of unnecessary hikes will be considered a hostile act upon our economic structure and will NOT be tolorated.

Domestic affairs:

Congress, Senate:
Government wake up! You were elected to do a job. If there is a vote in the house you will be expected to be on the job. If there are debates you will be expected to be on the job. In industry, you are given on a national average of 8 sick occurances until termination. This will be your guidlines! If you miss 8 times for votes, debates, meetings you WILL be terminated and emergency elections for your state will be held to replace you!
ANY congressman or senator that attatches a piece of "self interest adders" onto legislation will result in immediate termination for stealing. The days of adding another 3 billion to a 1 billion dollar agenda is done!
Also, the position of President is regulated as to the amount of terms, yours will be also. This will hopefully destroy any special interest ties.

Abortion:
This is NOT a federal government agenda and should be the will of the people by state vote of the people. Neither you or me no the reasons behind actions and we all have to answer to our own "God" or look at ourselves in the mirror.

War on Drugs:
The war on drugs is no different that the old war on liquer. It's not working folks. The more we spend to stop it the more there is. The money is being used to buy weapons for street gangs to kill our children at a greater rate than the drugs themselves. ALL anti-drug funding will be diverted to treatment facilities. Open trade will begin with our neighbors to the south that will compensate for the loss of all aid. We will not turn into a nation of drug addicts the same way we didn't turn into a nation of alchohalics.

Health Care:
This will stay in the private sector with new regulations. Insurance companies will no longer control doctors decisions, they are there to pay claims, nothing more! Law suits will be limited to and not exceed earning potential of the individual that was lost. The days of being awarded multi-million dollar suits is done. This lines pockets of lawyers, drives up insurance rates, and increases health care costs. Remember people, no-body is perfect!
Doctors will recieve an annual grade by JHACO. Any doctor with multiple occurances will have licences revolked until a time when proven competent to be in practice.
There will be one sector that is entitled to free healthcare for life, that would be the brave soldiers that have been wounded in battle. That is the least we could do!

Judicial:
Capital punishment will be accepted in cases of wrongfull death only. If found guilty, you will have the option of a lie detector followed by Sodium pentathol, by passing either, this will give reason for life sentence and resources to prove innocence. By failing both, Off to the Chair!
Child molesters will be housed in special prisons for life! No visitation by family or friends. To this country you will be considered as a disgrace. Only by the measures listed for capital punishment shall you be awarded the privilage of proving innocence!
Rapists shall be housed the facility with the molestors with the same rules. I hope that they all get along.

Borders:
Our borders are not just our responsibilty but also that of the neighboring countries. We don't have thousands of Canadians flowing across the Rocky Mountains and the days of Mexico stating its our problem is over. If you can't control your economic enviroment and your border. Maybe you should become a state....get the hint? Now GIT-R-DONE!

Outsourcing Jobs:
You put your plant in a country with substandard pay and working conditions a tarriff will be assessed on your goods to compensate for this. This money will be used to create jobs in rebuilding our highways, schools, etc....And as a reminder to the people of your actions, such highways, etc..will bear your company name! This will remind the American people as to what not to buy.

Kiss the babies, shaking hands..........
These truths we shall hold close to our hearts. By following this basic guidline I foresee an America that will be respected by our neighbors and feared by those out to do us harm.
Kiss the baby...PHOTO OPP!!!

My fellow Americans. It gives me the greatest pleasure to introduce you to my new running mate. Raise your hands and give it up for your next vice president......................................... ...................................



























Obi-Wan Kenobi

Hello again my fellow Americans. We now have agreed on a Secretary of Health and also, what will indeed be one of the greatest challenges, the restructuring of the D.E.A. from a find and bust style organization to rehabilitation and education of drugs. We are proud to present to you your new Secretary of Health and Secretary of Drugs.
Once again, get on your feet, raise your hands and give it up for...............


















Your new Secretary of Health: Spock
and Your new Secretary of Drugs: Tommyyyyyyyy CHONG!!!!

P.S. Your new Pres is REALLLLLLLY stoned!!!

Let us be thankful there are others in charge.

Now just wait GOD. Maybe I can win ya over yet!

Legalize:
Prostitution: Regulated in the same order as Amsterdam
Multiple-partner marriage: No more infringing on personal/religious beliefs
Gay marriage: Separation of Church and State. The state will not dictate morals.

The Government has no buisiness in your bedroom anymore!

No more income tax! Taxes will be calculated into the sales tax. The more you make, the more you spend, the more you spend, the higher your tax.

This will make the tax code evenly distributed based upon income. Same percentage for all! Greater taxes for the greater spenders.


Sorry God!

Churches and religious organizations have lost tax free status due to new system. If the Vatican wants the U.S. covered with Catholic organizations, they have the bucks, let em' spend it!

Government subsidies to the arts:

NO government dollars will be spent in this manner. If you need cash to fund taking pictures....get it from the private sector that wants to see it.

Multiple-partner marriage------>HAHAHAHAHAHA yeah right.
Like you could handle more than one wife!!

No more income tax!

So you are not going to tax the corporations? They can easily say they are taking a lost and not spending a dime....so no taxes for the rich just like Bush...shall I list how many corporations paid absolutely no taxes last year? Johnson and johnson for starters...

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Originally Posted by BlueCat

Multiple-partner marriage------>HAHAHAHAHAHA yeah right.
Like you could handle more than one wife!!

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Psych4bud discriminates against no religious beliefs. I am not Mormon but I will not discriminate against them. By opening the door for their religion it would be discriminatory to deprive someone not of that belief the opportunity to also have multiple partners in marriage.

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Originally Posted by BlueCat

No more income tax!

So you are not going to tax the corporations? They can easily say they are taking a lost and not spending a dime....so no taxes for the rich just like Bush...shall I list how many corporations paid absolutely no taxes last year? Johnson and johnson for starters...

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Oh yes they will be taxed! They purchase office supplies, O.E.M. products...ALL purchases will be assessed the same percentage tax as the normal citizen. This will close ALL tax loop holes previously enjoyed!

In order to create a product, you must by raw material. Parts for machines,etc.........

raw material. Parts for machines,etc.........
and where do you think that will come from? CHINA. How will that benefit us?

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Originally Posted by BlueCat

raw material. Parts for machines,etc.........
and where do you think that will come from? CHINA. How will that benefit us?

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Outsourcing Jobs:
You put your plant in a country with substandard pay and working conditions a tarriff will be assessed on your goods to compensate for this. This money will be used to create jobs in rebuilding our highways, schools, etc....And as a reminder to the people of your actions, such highways, etc..will bear your company name! This will remind the American people as to what not to buy.

A compensation plan has already been enacted. By diverting your buying power to a people living on less than our own you have placed your company into a tarrif situation. Outsourcing product will be considered the same as outsourcing jobs. Companies will have to PROVE beyond a shadow of a doubt that they not only purchased O.E.M. goods at a fair market price but actually had to pay more due to added shipping costs. :D

So you buys wana run for president reading your posts you clearly have it thought out but what about logistics how are you going to get the signatures and money you need to run for president what are you going to do about the church they will be outraged by your ideas. What about the current entrenched leaders . The goverment you know is corrupted on a massive scale. So what about logistics.

Don't become what you hate.

sorry to take so long to reply...I will re read and reply some more tomorrow..I am not feeling to well. :(

Capital punishment will be accepted in cases of wrongfull death only. If found guilty, you will have the option of a lie detector followed by Sodium pentathol, by passing either, this will give reason for life sentence and resources to prove innocence. By failing both, Off to the Chair!
Child molesters will be housed in special prisons for life! No visitation by family or friends. To this country you will be considered as a disgrace. Only by the measures listed for capital punishment shall you be awarded the privilage of proving innocence!
Rapists shall be housed the facility with the molestors with the same rules. I hope that they all get along.

That is a good idea.... :)

This one is good too----------->Churches and religious organizations have lost tax free status due to new system. If the Vatican wants the U.S. covered with Catholic organizations, they have the bucks, let em' spend it!

I've had a hard day....I'm kinda depressed. But we need to debate the arts....tomorrow ok?

TTYL
Cat

Errr...resign, I guess. I'm an anarchist. I want neither to govern nor to be governed.

The Tokosan Presidental campaign:

(I start this with the knowlege that any of us here will never become the president, and also with the knowlege that the president would never have the power to do most of what is listed here.)


Domestic:

All income tax will be gone. Instead, we wil use a national sales tax, where you only pay tax for what you use.... and less tax on essential items like food... so the rich pay alot and the poor pay alot less, just like now, but with no IRS.

Welfare will be deleted. Instead will be "job training camps" where miscreants and addicts can come for a free meal and lodging, on the basis that they take job training and/or addiction treatment.

The drug war will end, all interference with foreign countries based on smuggling wil cease. Instead, an environment will be created where less people turn to drugs... less poverty, less drugs.... In the meantime, marijuana and other "soft" drugs will be completely legal.... and taxed of course. Hard drugs such as cocaine, opiates, and prescription drugs will continue to be illegal, but not as a harsh penalty that goes on the record.

Prisons will not be hellish hellholes designed for punishment, instead each offender's punishment will be custom-taylored for his or her offense. Got cracked out and robbed a car? Rehab and detox for you! Killed your entire family, brutally torturing them? Firing squad for you!

The power of lawyers will be taked out of American society. They shall serve the purpose of helping others in the law, not making ludacris amounts of money off the troubles of others, and bringing frivilous lawsuits.

Campaign financing will be outlawed. The government shall provide free air time and enough media to get equal attention to all candidates... contributions by corporations and lobbying groups in exchange for favours will be outlawed... any and all funds will be provided by the government.

Foreign:

The USA shall withdraw from the UN, declaring it a broken institution, and in need of abolishing, and demand that it's headquarters be removed from New York. Same goes for the useless African Union.

Put serious economic pressure on every country with a bad human rights record... if they do not respond to that then military options willl be considered. Any country that improves it's conditions will be handsomely rewarded. Those that wish to shall recieve generous loans.

If any civil war, rebellion, or genocide breaks out at any point, and the local government fails to act effectively, immediate and overwhelming military force will be used to quell it.

As for the war on terror, it shall continue, untill the countries that produce the terrorists stop being the breeding holes that they are. This will be accomplished by assisting them to become economically successful. Discontent breeds resistance. Remove that and the problem is gone.

Since all the liberals say we started a war for oil... might as well! Attack Saudi Arabia instantly, taking all thier oil for ourselves and our allies! .50c a gallon here we come!


To help pay for all this madness:

All national relics will be sold on EbAy.

Bye, bye, envoronmental restrictions, untill all the "human" problems are solved.

Legal taxation of previously illegal contraband will make a ton!

Looting of corrupt goverment's riches will make a ton also!


Well I'm done for now, anything else, just ask me.


TOKOSAN FOR PRESIDENT!!!!

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Originally Posted by ermitonto

Errr...resign, I guess. I'm an anarchist. I want neither to govern nor to be governed.

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BTW, anarchy is only a transition from one government to another.... not a permanant thing, never has been, never will be. So get used to the fact and drop that anarchy crap.

Obviously you haven't the slightest clue what anarchism is. It is the restructuring of society from the bottom-up rather than the top-down along socialistic rather than authoritarian capitalist lines. It is rule by the people directly, organized into federations based on free association, not the absence of rule. The only reason anarchy has failed in the past is because capitalists have crushed it with their militaries. Study the Spanish and Russian Revolutions sometime. Anarchists don't claim to have a blueprint for a permanent society; they realize that nothing is permanent but change. But anarchist-communist societies have been around a hell of a lot longer than government has (every society that existed more than 10,000 years ago lived without government, and *gasp* everybody didn't rape and murder each other senselessly). Face it. Practically every indigenous people has organized their society in an anarchistic and communistic way, and it wasn't "chaos and destruction" like the capitalists like to portray anarchy as. And neither was the anarchy practiced during the Spanish Civil War and in the Ukraine during the Russian Revolution before they were crushed by the capitalists.

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The only reason anarchy has failed in the past is because capitalists have crushed it with their militaries.

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Therin lies the problem. With no government, where is the military going to come from to defend yourself? People are just going to pick up rifles and practice of thier own free will? I doubt it!

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Originally Posted by ermitonto

(every society that existed more than 10,000 years ago lived without government, and *gasp* everybody didn't rape and murder each other senselessly).

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Lol, does that happen now? Everybody?

Well hello again my fellow Americans...after a long hard night of interviews, we have made a decision on our Secretary for Internal Affairs. Please give it up for .................................................. ...............



































The Secretary for Internal Affairs:
TAWNY ROBERTS!!!

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Therin lies the problem. With no government, where is the military going to come from to defend yourself? People are just going to pick up rifles and practice of thier own free will? I doubt it!

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Voluntary popular militias? Yes, that's exactly what happened in Spain and the Ukraine, but they were outnumbered by the capitalists. Why is it that a militia has to be centralized and government-dominated? Voluntary popular militias have been an important part of every historical struggle for increased liberty, including the French, American, and Russian revolutions.

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Lol, does that happen now? Everybody?

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What I meant is not everybody raped and murdered each other freely. Of course, anti-social acts are inevitable in any society (but they occurred in far lower proportions than under the competition-driven capitalistic societies of today), and the situations were rectified in decentralized, non-authoritarian ways by the people of the community, rather than just sending the offenders to universities of crime (i.e. prisons) for a while.

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Originally Posted by WalkaWalka

how are you going to get the signatures and money you need to run for president .

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Political campaigns do cost a lot of money and our team has spent much time researching the easiest way on how to accomplish this. Even though I hate to be exploited, for my fellow Americans I shall walk the extra mile!

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Originally Posted by ermitonto

Errr...resign, I guess. I'm an anarchist. I want neither to govern nor to be governed.

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Under my "free" system you won't be governed. The only laws left on the books are the ones intended to actually protect! You shall not be allowed to do harm to another citizen by physical means, robbery, etc..

My government is here to protect you against foreign threat and to ensure a safe enviroment internally. Hell, run around naked for all I care!
But you say, "what about the children seeing this?" Our bodies are not to be ashamed of. If a child is raised in a society in which this is the norm, how would they comprehend it is wrong?

Dumping of illegal waste:
Small fines to corporations don't cut it. The fine shall be tallied based upon the amount of waste. If it would have cost a million to dispose of said waste, a fine of 10 million will be imposed. Not only that, but board of directors, C.E.O.s and others responsible will be physically mandated to help with the clean-up efforts. NO MORE buying your way out at a fraction of the cost and laughing later on in your country clubs. ACCOUNTABILITY!

Clean enviroment for clean herb! This will fall under the responsibilities of Tommy Chong. :D

well here's my plan.....i would stop paying the soldiers.....i would make the army a national duty...all men at the age of 18 would have to join in for a year....no more mercenaries...more or less a country as big as usa would always have enough soldiers.....these money that i would save i would throw back in for better health care and better welfare....also i would raise the taxes on people that make over $100,000 a year while tax-free money would be the first $30,000....
i would legalize the use of MJ for every reason, not just medical purposes and hit hard the heroin dealers as heroin would be available freely at every hospital along with sterile needles....
i would raise the taxes on tobacco use and alcohol
i would change the constitution and make illegal to carry arms and weapons even within your houses, it is unessessary thing that causes more violence...
i would stop giving so many green cards to so many foreigners.......
and finally i would stop fucking other peoples lives in general;)

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

Under my "free" system you won't be governed. The only laws left on the books are the ones intended to actually protect! You shall not be allowed to do harm to another citizen by physical means, robbery, etc..

My government is here to protect you against foreign threat and to ensure a safe enviroment internally. Hell, run around naked for all I care!
But you say, "what about the children seeing this?" Our bodies are not to be ashamed of. If a child is raised in a society in which this is the norm, how would they comprehend it is wrong?

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Not quite. In your "libertarian" world, like in any capitalist régime, property laws come first. That is, if I am starving, and I pick an apple from your apple tree, I am arrested as a trespasser and a thief. The right to property comes before the right to life under capitalism, and only a libertarian communist society can get around that. Under capitalism, I have to follow the rules of some boss or starve simply because I don't own the means of production, and I have no say in the running of the company because they are arranged in a fascistic top-down hierarchy rather than a democratic bottom-up approach. Thus, for 8 hours a day, I am at the mercy of what the capitalists who own the means of production want me to do, so I can pay them to feed me, essentially making me a slave. And if I want to strike, there are your "libertarian" police to enforce the reign of the capitalists.

I agree that everybody should be free to do whatever they wish as long as they don't infringe on the freedom of others (nudity, prostitution, heroin, gay marriage, doesn't matter to me...), but I take this to its logical conclusion in the complete elimination of private ownership of the means of production and the means of living.

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Originally Posted by ermitonto

That is, if I am starving, and I pick an apple from your apple tree, I am arrested as a trespasser and a thief. The right to property comes before the right to life under capitalism, and only a libertarian communist society can get around that. Under capitalism, I have to follow the rules of some boss or starve simply because I don't own the means of production,.

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Everyone has to contribute something in life. What if all the farmers had the same philosophy about work, where would the food come from? Textile workers that make our clothes, etc........
It sounds like this would be a Nation of naked starving people.

WELFARE:
This is an old system which encourages defeat! If you sign up onto a welfare system it should be mandatory that you time be spent either doing work for the government, such as highway clean-up, humane society, etc... OR going back for further education, paid by the state, so you can be self supportive. During times that you are in your program others starting the program will be handling the day care to allow you the time. When you graduate, they move to your position and another person in need takes their place.

This by no means pertains to single mothers/ families but also includes the single no child sector. Equality for all is my platform!!

Right, everyone has to contribute, but when I do not own the means of production the only way I can contribute is by being exploited by someone who does, and that exploitation is protected by the military and police of the State. And if there aren't enough jobs to go around, even if it isn't their fault, a portion of the population is forced into unemployment and hence starvation. Under capitalism, more grain is deliberately destroyed annually to inflate prices (and hence profits for corporations) than could solve the famine crisis in Africa, just because the economy is based on competition and profit-making rather than actually meeting the needs of the populace. Why is "from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs" so objectionable?

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Right, everyone has to contribute, but when I do not own the means of production the only way I can contribute is by being exploited by someone who does, and that exploitation is protected by the military and police of the State. And if there aren't enough jobs to go around, even if it isn't their fault, a portion of the population is forced into unemployment and hence starvation. Under capitalism, more grain is deliberately destroyed annually to inflate prices (and hence profits for corporations) than could solve the famine crisis in Africa, just because the economy is based on competition and profit-making rather than actually meeting the needs of the populace. Why is "from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs" so objectionable?

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I live in a state where there is a large Hmong population. I can recall after the first year of being here they rented some fields on the outside of town visible from the highway. Hotter than hell outside they worked the fields by hand, old school! At the end of the season they sold all the goods. Not looking for a hand out but looking to be self supportive.
I've spoke to a few that were my neighbors. The father told me that in their community if a person was in need of lets say a refrigerator. A collection was taken within their community and the person would have his fridge.
Working together, doing jobs that some would feel is beneath them. What is more beneath a person than being homeless and starving?

Why is "from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs" so objectionable
Thats easy. Some people are just born lazy! Why should the government or private sector be responsible for someone of this mind frame? If your speaking of someone that CAN'T work do to physical impairments I'm with you 100%. But if at all possible, give the person a feeling of self worth. Even if all they can do is answer a phone and direct a call.

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Political campaigns do cost a lot of money and our team has spent much time researching the easiest way on how to accomplish this. Even though I hate to be exploited, for my fellow Americans I shall walk the extra mile!

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HAHAHAHAHAHA thanks I needed that laugh this morning.... :D
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Why is "from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs" so objectionable
Thats easy. Some people are just born lazy!...If your speaking of someone that CAN'T work do to physical impairments I'm with you 100%. But if at all possible, give the person a feeling of self worth. Even if all they can do is answer a phone and direct a call.

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You do not realize that the lazy are in charge of capitalism. Does Bill Gates really do the work of 14,000,000 workers? I bet he spends a lot more time sitting around in luxury than the Microsoft production line workers, don't you?

Sure, if someone is going to be using the wealth of a community, it is only fair that they be obliged to contribute to the common wealth of that community. But capitalism stifles the ability of workers to get out of society what they deserve, since part of their labor is expropriated (stolen) by the leaders of the capitalist firms as profit, who are allowed to live without working simply because they happen to be the owners of the means of production. Capitalism systematically starves Africa because of its drive for profit for the few at the top of the economic ladder. There is no justification for such a heinous system.

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Why should the government or private sector be responsible for someone of this mind frame?

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The point is, there should be NO government or private sector. These are exploitative parasites on society.

you're confusing monopoly capitalism and socialism and fascism, which is what we have now, with real free market capitalism...

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Dumping of illegal waste:
Small fines to corporations don't cut it. The fine shall be tallied based upon the amount of waste. If it would have cost a million to dispose of said waste, a fine of 10 million will be imposed. Not only that, but board of directors, C.E.O.s and others responsible will be physically mandated to help with the clean-up efforts. NO MORE buying your way out at a fraction of the cost and laughing later on in your country clubs. ACCOUNTABILITY!

Clean enviroment for clean herb! This will fall under the responsibilities of Tommy Chong. :D

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GEE you are sounding like a tree hugging liberal!! J/K :D

There are several plants here in AR that pour all kinds of shit into the air and water...(heavy metals) the EPA fines them but they don't care....it is cheaper to pay the fine than it is to clean up their mess!! grrrrrrrrrr :mad:

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You do not realize that the lazy are in charge of capitalism. Does Bill Gates really do the work of 14,000,000 workers? I bet he spends a lot more time sitting around in luxury than the Microsoft production line workers, don't you?

The point is, there should be NO government or private sector. These are exploitative parasites on society.

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Didn't Bill Gates also start off in his garage creating what is today Microsoft? Because of his will he is now able to employ the work force you speak of. I'm sure he's not busting his butt at all these days and like most of the T.V. multi-millionaire jocks we see is probably way over paid. Hell, take a look at Oprah!! The thing is though, this type of class system...upper, middle, lower gives incentive to thrive for higher goals. Some are content to be what they are and others are on a mission. The Gates, Fords, etc....are definately rich beyond wildest dreams but they also provide alot of income for the working sector.
If we all made the same cash, there would be no doctors. Why bust your hump in school for so long when you know you could make the same pay right out of high school. It's all about incentive to achieve.

I don't advocate "monopoly capitalism" or "fascism", just socialism, that is, the ownership of the means of production in common by the people, organized into federations based on free association (not all property owned by a state capitalist Marxist government which rules over the people). You probably have never really researched anarchist communist economics, so here are some materials if you would like to actually know what it is that I am advocating:
http://www.zabalaza.net/theory.htm
http://www.anarchistfaq.de/secCcon.html

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GEE you are sounding like a tree hugging liberal!! J/K :D

There are several plants here in AR that pour all kinds of shit into the air and water...(heavy metals) the EPA fines them but they don't care....it is cheaper to pay the fine than it is to clean up their mess!! grrrrrrrrrr :mad:

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OUCH!!! Tree hugger??? Low blow by my opponent!!

That is the problem! The fine is less than the initial cost of clean up. And not only that, if these people think it's o.k. to dump their goods (since apparently it poses no harm) THEY can be front line in the dirt, on their hands and knees, helping with the clean-up!
I think my administration could nip this problem in the bud!! :D

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If we all made the same cash, there would be no doctors. Why bust your hump in school for so long when you know you could make the same pay right out of high school. It's all about incentive to achieve.

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So if nobody had any private ownership of the means of production, doctors would quit helping their fellow man and people would lose all interest in advancing medicine? You're saying that all the doctors who continued to work in the anarchist communist communities of revolutionary Spain and Ukraine didn't exist, that they were just a figment of people's imagination?

(P.S. You're saying that all those starving Africans deserve it because they're not working as hard as Bill Gates did? Bullshit.)

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So if nobody had any private ownership of the means of production, doctors would quit helping their fellow man and people would lose all interest in advancing medicine? You're saying that all the doctors who continued to work in the anarchist communist communities of revolutionary Spain and Ukraine didn't exist, that they were just a figment of people's imagination?

(P.S. You're saying that all those starving Africans deserve it because they're not working as hard as Bill Gates did? Bullshit.)

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Not saying that at all. What I am saying is there is no incentive to become a doctor if the pay is equal to that of a bagboy.
You speak of Spain and the Ukraine, they have leaders. I thought you were against that? :confused:

And as for Africa. That is a totally different enviroment. I am not by any means comparing what the opportunities are for the people in Africa as to the United States.