My babies have gone "bunny"! whats wrong

New Indoor grower here.
Im just learning about all the ins and outs of indoor growing.
Im at day 9 from seedling sprout.
I have had a few problems with under-lighting, then over-lighting and heat burn (death of a few).
Those that survived seem to be doing ok except for the fact that they have gone into some kind of "bunny mode"
The first and second leaves are sticking straight up
They are under a 4-20w/6500k CFL's (afraid to add more light as thats how I killed the others) in an organic soil mix.
No nutes have been added yet as I believe the soil should have enough to sustain them for the first few weeks.

They will "eventually" move up to a 150w/6500k CFL for further vegging and then on to a 250w HPS for flower.

So can anyone give me some info on why they are sticking up like this?

Thanks

PEACE

Help me out here....sure we can help...

1. Are the plants blowing in the wind or are they kinda almost still with little movement? I ask becuse some of these liitle fans like that wont cut it...needs to be a fairly stiff breeze....now and especially later on when they get bushy.

2. This is a soil grow? What are those potato cubes?

3. Why are they there?

4. Are they sucking up water and getting hot under the lights?

5. I tend to follow the leaves down = too much water...leaves up = not enuff. Are they getting enuff water?

Some V-shaped new leaf is a good sign....but they are alredy burning at the tips...

Finally, you NEED the additional light! You cant be afraid of it...the CFLS work but only with a lot of juice.

You should have the lights within 2" and no more than 3" away from plant top. But you have to have a manly fan that has some balls.

I suspect those potatoes might be getting warm and the leaves dont like it.

I suspect the fan is too weak to keep the air MOVING across the bulbs... (temp is ??)

I suspect they are thirsty. DOnt let the soil go completely dry.

I hope this helps.

P.S.

What is that jar thingy in the bacK?

Potato thingies are hydro clay balls.
Ive read that they are good to add to the top of the soil to aid excessive moisture loss, they also help in distribution of water (so you dont have your perilite and top dressing wash away), thay also will insulate against too much heat on the top of the soil.
Just one of the many tips I read and decided to try.

At this early stage I dont want to add too much light/heat.
Thats how the tips are burnt, from bringing the wattage up to 104.
These new babies seem to like 80w better for now.
I will be putting them under more light as they get stronger

I thought Leaves Down = not enough water, Leave Up = too much

Ive been investigating around and it seems that my problem (of the leaves curling/cupping upwards) might be moisture stress.

I am going to do some further checking to see if thats the case.

Jar thingy is a small glass vase that I have water and an airstone in.
Humidity is like 0% where I live.

Uhhh i'd say your lights are way too close! you are like poisoning them with light

Look at how big that fucking bulb is compared to your light! imagine that on a normal sized scale, like...that light would be fucking way too big for that little sprout. trust me, but i don't know anything. so meh...maybe some other people will agree. those bulbs are too close for comfort, when they get older you can put them closer but now that bulb is wayyyy too fucking big for that little sprout..imagine that sprout is a full sized pot plant and that light is the light for it.....it would be way fucking bigger than what a 1000 watt hps light would be. I doubt you'll understand what i mean cuz i dont explain it very well but try to move it further from it.

no mean to side tract but...

doesnt the 2nd one remind u over Road Runner?

Well you asked for help and I asked some questions so now I will give you MY advice.

If I were you....I would...

1. Lose the stupid clay balls.
2. Give the babies some water.
3. Get some damn light on them. 80W isnt shit to what you need.
4. Get a fan with some balls...and get the fan on the space between the lights and tops.

Do these things and you should be ok.

As for the light poison theory, I do not beleive that.

If you want small bushes, you need lots of light.

Here are some plants I grew under almost 600W (TRUE WATTS) of CFL since they broke soil. If you have a fan to disperse the heat, you wont get heat burn.

Your grow, your call.....

Lights????? That is NOT your problem. Yet.

It will be if you dont get more.

Good Luck on your grow :)

when the plant doesnt get enough water they wilt. and that is down. what these are doing is reaching for the sky because they want to be big. no but really your lights are a little too close see the leaf burn on the tips? definitely a little too close for baby seedlings

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Originally Posted by 4of20

New Indoor grower here.
Im just learning about all the ins and outs of indoor growing.
Im at day 9 from seedling sprout.
I have had a few problems with under-lighting, then over-lighting and heat burn (death of a few).
Those that survived seem to be doing ok except for the fact that they have gone into some kind of "bunny mode"
The first and second leaves are sticking straight up
They are under a 4-20w/6500k CFL's (afraid to add more light as thats how I killed the others) in an organic soil mix.
No nutes have been added yet as I believe the soil should have enough to sustain them for the first few weeks.

They will "eventually" move up to a 150w/6500k CFL for further vegging and then on to a 250w HPS for flower.

So can anyone give me some info on why they are sticking up like this?

Thanks

PEACE

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First, the grow rocks are fine. They keep the light away from the soil and it will help later on. Sand will also work to do the same thing. You will need a water meter to check when the soil is dry.

The "V" for victory or flying "V" as some call it is a sigh of health plants. They will lay down as they get a little older. Keep the temperature under control and make sure you have ample drainage in your grow pot.

You are not feeding then any nutrients yet are you? I hope not.

Watch them and everything will be fine soon. Check the Ph of the soil and make sure you use Ph adjusted RO water.

Happy growing.

Ok....do these rock absorb water?

Here's where I got the tip about using them in a soil grow- http://www.overgrow.com/growfaq/1649

Here's what it says on the bag-
Hydroton: This Lightweight Expanded Clay Aggregate (L.E.C.A.) is manufactured exclusively at high-tech kilns in Germany and is used as a soil replacement in hydroponics. Composed of shale that is pelletized and fired, Hydroton holds water extremely well and transmits it effectively. The pellets are uniform in size and have an attractive, natural appearance. Hydroton is chemically inert, has neutral pH, is reusable, clean and odorless.

* Expanded clay is much easier to clean. The round balls of clay have a smooth surface coating that can be cleaned of roots and bacteria.
* Chemically inert and reusable
* Different sizes available
* Lighter than lava rock
* They are more uniform in size & shape. They can be poured into containers, and they fill containers evenly.

* The round balls do not compress to touch. The uniform space between the pebbles provides even aeration and wetting throughout, allowing roots to fully grow into the medium. The clay surface repels water, but surface tension coats each clay ball in a thin coat of water â?? perfect conditions for roots. Cracked balls absorb water like a sponge.

* The round balls have more surface area than the flatter lava rocks, proving more area for roots to cling to.

ok thanks a lot...Goodinfo.

I dont hydro so I didnt know.

However....

These balls are not suited for top and alll me to tell you why...IN MY OPINION...

Whe watering, these balls will absorb a lot of water.

The as these clay balls dry out, they will draw water from the soil surface, causing faster dry out times meaning more water is needed than normal.

Also, since these rocks hold water, the lights will cause a high humidity / evaporation rate, which could be seen as steam if you looked under a microscope.

I agree a V sign is or can be a sign of health. But, the tips are burned and the one plant isnt a V....its almost folded closed.

I will go on record as saying...

Remove the balls, add more air movement, water more and you will fix your problems.

The clay balls?

I say the they absorb water, but, when dry, this is not good for the plant and the leaves are reaching skyward to avoid the clay balls.

Plant leaves do no like to touch ANYTHING....anything....and will either grow away from what they dont benefit from or discard what it is that is causing the discomfort.

I stand by my advice in my original "If I Were You" post.

Good Luck.

Lighting to me doesn't look like the problem, but you will need more than what you have there. It may veg alright, but when flowering hits, things will grow very slow and the result will be a very low yeild. Light poisoning is just silly, I don't really follow that either. Using those CFL's as close as they are is fine, as long as you are keeping the box cool somehow. You can get as close as an inch using those bulbs. They work wonders for vegging.

Your plant looks perfectly healthy, except I see they are a little frazzled on the tips. I hope you didn't give them any ferts yet! If so, flush that soil out bro. I don't know much about the lava rocks, but one of my friends used them for a hydro grow he did(which I know nothing of), and from my understanding, they work best in hydro, not soil. I see little to no point using them, but, that's just me. Good luck!

lmao, my plants do that all the time. it means their happy, their telling me YAAAAAYYYY, IM HAPPY, lol. i love it when they do that, ill dig up some old pics i took of that very thing.

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Originally Posted by Sativus

lmao, my plants do that all the time. it means their happy, their telling me YAAAAAYYYY, IM HAPPY, lol. i love it when they do that, ill dig up some old pics i took of that very thing.

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I've never seen them that happy, I would like to see your pictures as well.

They must be high :D

Looks like they want the light, trying to get as much as they can, maybe not enough light

lol, ive seen them practicaly try to wrap their arms around flouro's, and hug them. its not uncommon, im looking for some pics, i have a thousand of them. ill find one.

leaves point up.. means over heat.. period... airflow...

rocks are fine.. No LIGHT should ever touch your roots or your resivoir.. You shouldn't even pull your roots out to admire them... If you do this (like I have) you willnotice smaller growth from those plants..


Leaves up means OVER HEAT.. its a fact

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Originally Posted by Garden Knowm

leaves point up.. means over heat.. period... airflow...

rocks are fine.. No LIGHT should ever touch your roots or your resivoir.. You shouldn't even pull your roots out to admire them... If you do this (like I have) you willnotice smaller growth from those plants..


Leaves up means OVER HEAT.. its a fact

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that is not completely true, i dont know where you get your facts from.

here is a pic of a plant from a grow last year, its leaves are almost straight up and down and it is NOT heat. ive seen this a hundred times, this plant is happy as it can get.