Just a few questions about 9/11

I know this is a pretty common discussion on these boards but what about this pentagon stuff? This is a pretty heated debate but i had like a couple questions...

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blflight77.htm

1) Now when you look at the footage photo of the crash how come you only see a little tiny bit of what looks to be a shredded up diet pepsi can but no other wreckage?

2) How can we really trust "eyewitness reports" about an AA flight crashing...in fact how come we never even saw these people again to give interviews on national television?

3) Sure the black boxes were recovered...but that doesnt necessarily mean that it was recovered at the crash site. In fact, isnt america advanced enough to make their own black box?

4) How come there's no surveillance videos of the plan flying directly over the interstate? If you think about it, it should have flown right over a bunch of cameras.

5) Judy Biggert is a lady who identified bits of wreckage like a plane seat and so forth...but that was DAYS after the crash. If the conspiracy theorists are right then doesnt that mean the government can dummy up some fake crash wreckage when they realised that most people couldnt be duped so easily?

6) I know you still have passengers to worry about...what happened to them? Well...for all we know they could have been martyrs for the cause. Gas 'em and then when they fall asleep crash the plane.

Im not saying im siding with the CT's but... it does make me wonder because we're talking to the same US gov. that always lies or gives mistruths whenever the heat is on and the same government that admitted to feedinf radioactive materials to retarded kids way back in the fities. i think it was because they were experimenting with the idea that if you ingested nuclear materials they give you super powers or something. I'm just saying look...with the emergence of all these documents and memos that basically cite bush as a liar and all that...isnt it MAYBE possible?

I have absolutely no evidence to support anybody's claims but cmon guys...why should we need evidence to investigate a possible question?

remember, the biggest conspiracy theory of them all, is the 19 freedom hating hijackers who evaded any air defense, somehow warned administration members not to fly, made record put options anonymously on the exact airlines that were used, and flew in heavily restricted airspace and over military bases for a long time...and so on and so on...

there's absolutely no way some tinpot terrorists could have pulled this off alone, or without assistance from the military industrial complex.

here's a link to about 600 articles about 9/11...
http://www.prisonplanet.com/911.html

dozens and dozens and dozens of different sources.

thanks pisshead. if there's another anti-war protest im there...or is that a terrorist act?

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld regarding Flight 93 having been "shot down....

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=42130

i mess up when i talk everyday?so what. :cool:

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Originally Posted by amsterdam

i mess up when i talk everyday?so what. :cool:

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LMFAO yes yes you do....poor Amster, honestly I don't want anyone to die in this war not even you...I know there is little chance of that happening because you would never join but I wanted you to try and see how you might really feel if you were there. I understand now you really don't have a compassionate bone is your body...but I do. Ignorance should not be punished by death. If that was the case our presidents head would have exploded a long time ago.

oh and for the record...it would not be a good idea to bring cuban cigars into this free country...penalties for doing so include, in addition to confiscation of the cigars, civil fines of up to $55,000 per violation and criminal prosecution which may result in higher fines and/or imprisonment.

free conscience
Cat

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Originally Posted by pisshead

remember, the biggest conspiracy theory of them all, is the 19 freedom hating hijackers who evaded any air defense, somehow warned administration members not to fly, made record put options anonymously on the exact airlines that were used, and flew in heavily restricted airspace and over military bases for a long time...and so on and so on...

there's absolutely no way some tinpot terrorists could have pulled this off alone, or without assistance from the military industrial complex.

here's a link to about 600 articles about 9/11...
http://www.prisonplanet.com/911.html

dozens and dozens and dozens of different sources.

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1. Pre-911 they could have indeed easily evaded air defense in restricted zones. once the plane is hijacked at the nearest legal point relative to the pentagon, it's like a 20 minute flight tops. they'd already have a headstart with the element of surprise. and many people argue with the trade-towers "why didn't they send a helicopter to get the people on the roof?". they CAN'T. there aren't helicopter (or in case of the pentagon, F-16's) pilots just sitting in their cokpits ready to go, they have to be called in and get there through traffic (obviously this has been changed now).

2. What's this about hijakers "warning administration" exactly? or were you referring to the Bush administration and forgot to ad that?

3. "made record put options anonymously on airlines that were used".... um, could you rephrase that?

4. "there's no way tin-pot terrorists could have done this on their own". well, I agree with you there. unforunately, contrary to many peoples belief, these guys are lunatics screaming about allah in a frantic rage. Al Qaeda is a very well trained and organized operation, trained by ex-military professions, and is said to be equal in ability to the former KGB. When you suddenly whip out a knife, kill the pilots, and head 'er for the pentagon, there's not much time to react.

5. about them putting a bunch of gassed body's on the plane (not referring to the above pisshead quote), there were SEVERAL cell phone calls to families from the planes.

6. all in all, the world isn't an exciting place like the X-files.

What are ou talking about. Pilots stationed at bases are trained to be ready at an given time even in as little as five minutes if need be.

Why do we keep pretending that the Bush administration never heard anything and werent warned. We're adults here. i think there are enough released documents and statements to refute that.

Dude, you cant just deviate a commercial airline from its course without people knowing. that's why there are carefully laid out flight plans that pilots must follow.

Yes, several calls. Man, I really need to get the rest of my family one of those phones that display my EXACT LOCATION whenever i call them.

All in all if our world was like x-files ironically it wouldnt seem so surreal and unrealistic.

some deep thinkers on this thread.

i remember, as do many people, on 9/11 hearing about the put options placed on American airlines and United airlines in the weeks preceeding 9/11...it was public news for a few seconds.

that's when you bet whatever stock is going to go down. you can't make them anonymously, and the number made was quite suspicious...something you'd look into when investigating something...*normally*. i think that's something worth investigating...

as is the insurance policies taken out on the WTC complex before 9/11...that's another story you could spend hours on.

and by golly, we'll find out who made those put options and get to the bottom of that...it went back to the CIA and the story was dropped, down the memory hole. we'll just flash bin laden's face on the screen a few more hundred times...

bush administration members came out and said they were warned not to fly...mayor willy brown, for whatever reason, said he received a call on 9/10 from his 'security people' at the airport, and they told him not to fly.

people on the streets of NYC knew an attack was coming and were warned by people of the attack.

i guess bin laden personally called ashcrost and brown and told them not to fly, as well as other people in NYC. how nice of him.



i posted a link to about 600 articles concerning 9/11...i think that's the one with 600...the stuff about building 7 being some of the better evidence that points away from 19 hijackers...

you can look at it, or you can not, i don't care. adding stupid x-files comments don't disprove anything.

i used to be a conspiracy theorist and i believed the 19 freedom hating muslims story...there's just way more evidence pointing towards other people who had more to gain, more motive, and more means and opportunity to pull it off.

pisshead you're one of the coolest people i know on these boards. don't let these conservatives try to distract us from whats going on. Personally, i could never rally for a movement that rallies for personal gain and privileged-only wealth accumulation.

well, i'd consider myself a populist...or libertarian...which is pretty close to conservative...but real conservative...small federal government with enumerated and limited powers...more power to the states...checks and balances, constitution, bill of rights... separation of powers all of that...

not giant government tyranny conservatism where the government has to run every aspect of your life...the new conservatism...which is basically a healthy mix of socialism and fascism, also known as the democrats...they're all basically the same.

we have a handful of congressmen working in our favor...not many. if you're interested in some good reading about this stuff...check out some books by gary allen...most likely ebay or a local half priced books would have them...but check out none dare call it conspiracy and the rockefeller file, say no to the new world order and nixon, the man behind the mask...

they were published in the 70's and 80's...and pertain to this subject...it's amazing how right he was...

i think the american president and everyone who works with him should be brutally tortured and strapped to the side of a plane and flown into iraq and left there for dead

hmmm...i thought you were an EVIL professor though. Now you're talking like a humanitarian

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Originally Posted by nicholasstanko

pisshead you're one of the coolest people i know on these boards. don't let these conservatives try to distract us from whats going on. Personally, i could never rally for a movement that rallies for personal gain and privileged-only wealth accumulation.

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If you're referring to all the anti-911 conspiracy posts such as mine, I'd just like to point out I'm not conservative, I'm very liberal. I believe there are massive conspiracies by the bush administration and probably more, using 911 as an excuse to eliminate freedoms and create a more dictatorship like nation with the government controlling us more and more, eliminating that neusance (sp?) called democracy.

but, I find it more likely that the administration knew it would happen sometime, not a specific time, and saw an opportunity to unite the people against a common enemy 1984 style, not actually collaberating with the terrorists and planting trucks full of explosives ect. ect.

as for my opinion on the following wars, I personally think Afganistan was justified, but Iraq was just disgracefull, along with all this "war on terror" bullshit which means taking away peoples basic freedoms with acts like the patriot act and detaining "suspects" without charges or official documentation.

i consider myself as no fuckin liveral or conservative. both fuckin governments are corrupted and stupid.

i hate government

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Originally Posted by nicholasstanko

I know this is a pretty common discussion on these boards but what about this pentagon stuff? This is a pretty heated debate but i had like a couple questions...

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blflight77.htm

1) Now when you look at the footage photo of the crash how come you only see a little tiny bit of what looks to be a shredded up diet pepsi can but no other wreckage?

2) How can we really trust "eyewitness reports" about an AA flight crashing...in fact how come we never even saw these people again to give interviews on national television?

3) Sure the black boxes were recovered...but that doesnt necessarily mean that it was recovered at the crash site. In fact, isnt america advanced enough to make their own black box?

4) How come there's no surveillance videos of the plan flying directly over the interstate? If you think about it, it should have flown right over a bunch of cameras.

5) Judy Biggert is a lady who identified bits of wreckage like a plane seat and so forth...but that was DAYS after the crash. If the conspiracy theorists are right then doesnt that mean the government can dummy up some fake crash wreckage when they realised that most people couldnt be duped so easily?

6) I know you still have passengers to worry about...what happened to them? Well...for all we know they could have been martyrs for the cause. Gas 'em and then when they fall asleep crash the plane.

Im not saying im siding with the CT's but... it does make me wonder because we're talking to the same US gov. that always lies or gives mistruths whenever the heat is on and the same government that admitted to feedinf radioactive materials to retarded kids way back in the fities. i think it was because they were experimenting with the idea that if you ingested nuclear materials they give you super powers or something. I'm just saying look...with the emergence of all these documents and memos that basically cite bush as a liar and all that...isnt it MAYBE possible?

I have absolutely no evidence to support anybody's claims but cmon guys...why should we need evidence to investigate a possible question?

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I always use to wonder about the pentagon attack. It is obviously still a conspiracy, seeing as how most questions still go un-answered. I used to think it was a missile of some sort, but after i saw a more detailed site, i started thinkin a lil bit. The most obvious evidence that a 757 didnt hit the pentagon was the lack of debree, there was barely any, just a big ass whole in the wall, also, if u look at pics, the grass surrounding the wall is untouched, which is a bit odd. However, if you look at this site, it may change your mind.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/..._evidence.html

With respect to those retards they fed radioactive waste, At least they diden't take them to the zoo. Retards at the zoo, uhh uuuh.
Retards at the zooo, Uhh Uhh.
Retards at the zoo Uhh uhh.

thats pretty interesting about the pentagon thing....doesnt all add up huh..and i know for sure that the that plane was shot down in PA esp since it was the last one downed...they knew it was coming. people here were on the news swearing up and down they heard jets near by, but they blew that off and concocted some heroic story...doesnt add up to me.

Thanks for the post sensiskunk, but i must say after reading that site i'm just even more confused:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/..._evidence.html

Clearly put, this is a well-researched article to use if i ever wanted to learn about what makes a 757 tick. When you read on and scroll down it gives you a bunch of facts about 757's and if a 757 hit the pentagon, it should look like this this and that. We didn't ask for proof of what a 757 hitting the pentagon would look like, we asked for proof that a 757 hit in the first place. We want to see PICTURES of a PLANE that SUPPOSEDLY hit. The important thing i want people to take into consideration is that there seems to be this whole thing of throwing complicated facts and numbers at people in the hopes that they'll get frustrated and believe whatever guy with a degree tells them. And anyone who does stick with it and understands can't refute it because they forgot that they're not discussing what the wall proportions and trajectory lines should look like but WHERE IS THE PLANE? Even if you take all that and read it, it STILL has points that need to be elaborated. I'll show you...


Look down until you see a picture of the hole. Is it just me or do we live in a wonky reality where huge machines with WINGS punch really neat circular holes into concrete and steel reinforced walls? That's just about the same ideaology of cartoon characters running into a wooden door or glass window and leaving your silhouette perfectly cast as you run away.

Scroll down further, you see all these close-up photos of engine wreckage and so forth. Keeping in mind, that NEVER anywhere in the entire article he mentions at what TIME and at what DATE these photos were taken. Shit, when you think about it they couldve been taken at ANY crash site.

I just noticed this but there's a photo of the "crash site" and it looks like two pieces of wood propped up. The editor uses this photo to say there's an engine piece bottom right. Now that wood may have been propped up as a barricade but i doubt it with all those nifty "CAUTION DO NOT CROSS" yellow ticket tapes around. How delightful that the entire room is devestated but not the wood.

Still with me boys and girls? Let's scroll down further where they try to show you the different lightpoles and cars damaged by the airplane as it passed over the interstate.
First Photo: A lightpole knocked over
Let's keep in mind that a HUGE plane screaming at 573 mph (his stated cruising speed) hit an ALUMINUM lightpole and didnt mangle it to pieces? RIIIGHT.

Second Photo: A taxi with the front window smashed
Okay you can either say that it was hit with the plane or the sonic boom hit it. Let's not even entertain the notion that a plane hit the car and smashed the window. Let's work with the sonic effect. If that did happen then how come only the front window was affected? So what evidence is that? Some guy got drunk and used the plane story as a nice sob story for the insurance company?

Third Photo: A huge pillar of black smoke
How does that prove an AA plane hit the building?

Fourth Photo: Yet another lightpole
No comment. It's exactly the same as the first one

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The debris field of small chunks of plane witnesses said debris "rained down for minutes after the crash".

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Waitaminit! I thought the plane headed in at 500+ mph! I took some physics in high school and that's rather odd that any object projected by forward thrust somehow managed to hit the building...puncture through....explode...and have its debris fall BACKWARD??? onto the lawn? Wait though, that's funny how witnesses saw debris falling down but we just saw a photo of a HUGE plume of smoke. It's a pretty good thing that we don't see any actual aircraft but thanks to a few eagle-eyed witnesses they saw debris falling THROUGH the smoke.

Scroll down more and you see the shredded pepsi can wreckage that i first mentioned. I don't think this is terribly important EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT ITS NOT EVEN SINGED OR MELTED! Truly amazing how when the plane exploded the metal didnt melt at all. Okay maybe it got blew up so fast the metal didnt melt...but if you look on the underside its AWFUL shiny.

Further down, we get the black box arguement. We're reassured that the black boxes WERE recovered and they WERENT played for the sake of all the grieving families. RIIIGHT...just like how the media didnt mind at all replaying footage after footage of people jumping to their deaths from the WTC towers and flashing pictures of captured prisoners right before they were beheaded. C'mon guys, it's been FOUR years now. That just doesnt cut it anymore.

Down some more and this guy's talking about desil engines being impacted and thrown 45 degrees toward the building. Then he says that if it was a bomb or missle then it would have been blown 45 degrees AWAY....how does that make sense? A missle or bomb shot from a plane is going to take the same trajectory as a cruising plane. The explosive repercussions arent going to change. Thats non-sensical.

Down down to a flash picture of a really blurry photo and this guy drawing an outline of a 757 and says that's it there. Okay...a guy draws his own outline and says SEE SEE that PROVES it. The only thing that proves is that this dude has an overactive imagination.

Down some more for more fun filled physics. Yes guys we now know what it should look like if a plane crashed....wheres the plane though?


Great! Some "LIEwitness" testimony!


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)"Aydan Kizildrgli, an English language student who is a native of Turkey, saw the jetliner bank slightly then strike a western wall of the huge five-sided building that is the headquarters of the nation's military. 'There was a big boom,' he said. 'Everybody was in shock. I turned around to the car behind me and yelled "Did you see that?" Nobody could believe it.'"
- "Bush Vows Retaliation for 'Evil Acts'." USA Today, 11 Sep 2001

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Okay...let's keep that in mind for later

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)"Frank Probst, an information management specialist for the Pentagon Renovation Program, left his office trailer near the Pentagon's south parking lot at 9:36 a.m. Sept. 11. Walking north beside Route 27, he suddenly saw a commercial airliner crest the hilltop Navy Annex. American Airlines Flight 77 reached him so fast and flew so low that Probst dropped to the ground, fearing he'd lose his head to its right engine."
- "A Defiant Recovery." The Retired Officer Magazine, January 2002

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Wait hold on! He was walking NORTH...the plane came over the crest...he dived down...and then the plane turned around on a dime and hit the WESTERN wall? Also, let's keep in mind that he dived to the ground narrowly missing being hit by the engine though MIRACULOUSLY he didn't get caught in the vacuum suction and he's not deaf. PRAISE JESUS! ITS ONE A THEM DANG FANGLED MIRACLES, MARY LOU!

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)"Omar Campo, a Salvadorean, was cutting the grass on the other side of the road when the plane flew over his head. 'It was a passenger plane. I think an American Airways plane,' Mr Campo said. 'I was cutting the grass and it came in screaming over my head. I felt the impact. The whole ground shook and the whole area was full of fire. I could never imagine I would see anything like that here.'"
- "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts." The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001

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So let's see, he was across the street...a huge plane crashed FILLED with fuel...made an explosion and he's still concious? Explosions move OUTWARD which means that the energy released as well should have fucked that guy up pretty bad...luckily he scrapped through enough to give an interview a little while later.

4)"Afework Hagos, a computer programmer, was on his way to work but stuck in a traffic jam near the Pentagon when the plane flew over. 'There was a huge screaming noise and I got out of the car as the plane came over. Everybody was running away in different directions. It was tilting its wings up and down like it was trying to balance. It hit some lampposts on the way in.'"
- "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts." The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001

So hold on. He was in his car...heard a screaming noise and had enough time to get OUT of his car and look at the plane as it flew over. This guy must be superman! faster than a speeding 500+ mph airplane! He also used his telescopic vision to notice that the plane's wings were tilting "up and down" all in that time frame of what...TWO seconds? Also, he said that the plane was screaming as it flew over. So what's his name who was cutting the grass obviously didnt hear it scream because he was cutting grass and not running away frenetically like all the other people afewok saw. So the only way for their collective stories to make any sense was that the airplane was screaming then stopped then screamed again in about five seconds....yeh...lets move on.

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)"Henry Ticknor, intern minister at the Unitarian Universalist Church of Arlington, Virginia, was driving to church that Tuesday morning when American Airlines Flight 77 came in fast and low over his car and struck the Pentagon. 'There was a puff of white smoke and then a huge billowing black cloud,' he said."
- "Hell on Earth." UU World, Jan/Feb 20

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A plane with jet fuel in it...crashes into the WTC and explodes ON IMPACT...the SAME plane design hits the pentagon...but yet it caused a huge puff of white smoke which i assume was all the concrete being smashed THEN the fuel exploded. Planes that crash dont explode minutes after impact like some cheesy drag race movie they explode as soon as sparks hit the fuel...which is almost always on impact.

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"We were the only people, we think, who saw it live," Dan Creed said. He and two colleagues from Oracle software were stopped in a car near the Naval Annex, next to the Pentagon, when they saw the plane dive down and level off. "It was no more than 30 feet off the ground, and it was screaming. It was just screaming. It was nothing more than a guided missile at that point," Creed said. "I can still see the plane. I can still see it right now. It's just the most frightening thing in the world, going full speed, going full throttle, its wheels up," - Ahwatukee Foothill News

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What the fuck!? You were the only two people who saw it live?! But what about all the screaming and running people that supposedly saw the plane before it hit? Funny how you should mention the wheels were up though INSIDE the plane...but yet we see wheel wreckage with no other plane insides...hmmm...curiouser and curiouser.

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)Gary Bauer former Presidential candidate, "I looked at the woman sitting in the car next to me. She had this startled look on her face. We were all thinking the same thing. We looked out the front of our windows to try to see the plane, and it wasn?t until a few seconds later that we realized the jet was coming up behind us on that major highway. And it veered to the right into the Pentagon. The blast literally rocked all of our cars. It was an incredible moment." Massachusetts News

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So the plane rocked all of the cars QUITE SOME DISTANCE AWAY...but yet didn't smash the windows and some guy was able to dive down to the ground to avoid it and some gardener felt the impact across the street and both luckily managed to survive. The NEW SUPER FRIENDS!!

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Sean Boger, Air Traffic Controller and Pentagon tower chief - "I just looked up and I saw the big nose and the wings of the aircraft coming right at us and I just watched it hit the building," Air Traffic Controller and Pentagon tower chief Sean Boger said. "It exploded. I fell to the ground and covered my head. I could actually hear the metal going through the building." dcmilitary.com November 16, 2001

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It's a good thing that the Tower controller saw the whole thing but the entire team required to run an air traffic building didnt. I sure as hell didnt see the interviews from them on television or even a mention.

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"The only way you could tell that an aircraft was inside was that we saw pieces of the nose gear. The devastation was horrific. It was obvious that some of the victims we found had no time to react. The distance the firefighters had to travel down corridors to reach the fires was a problem. With only a good 25 minutes of air in their SCBA bottles, to save air they left off their face pieces as they walked and took in a lot of smoke," Captain Defina said. Captain Defina was the shift commander [of an aircraft rescue firefighters crew.] NFPA Journal November 1, 2001

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Wait! WHAT?! The plane hit the pentagon and burrowed deep inside. So far in that firefighters had to time correctly 25 mins. of air. With that said...if the plane went in that far...what about the magical debris that landed on the nice neat lawn?


Okay those are a bunch of "reliable witnesses". Anybody notice that most of them have odd-foreign sounding names? I'm not being racist but there are an awful lot of caucasians running around in the photos. But yet we have testimonials from Turkish students and Salvadorean gardeners. Just think of how convenient it would be if someone tried to allocate the source and found out that they "went back home" Who's left after that? A former PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE and several people in charge of certain sectors of government sponsored branches?

Okay people thats about the page right there and what im still trying to say is WHERE IS THE PLANE!?!? It's not enough to throw facts and figures and diagrams of what happened. To alleviate fears and concerns there should be PICTURES to denounce those that want proof. Let's be real, the Bush guys are IDIOTs but they're not dumb. Ever watch a really good hollywood film where the backgrounds are really detailed as if that scene actually happened? Now imagine if the government wanted to do that but only with a budget a HUNDRED times bigger to re-enact it and years to make it come to fruition. Scary shit man.

I don't want to be regarded as a spammer or anything but just this once im going to post this on all three boards because these are real questions that people should have answered and i want feedback. Go ahead tell me im wrong! tell me im an asshole! Tell me im an insensitive clod! just tell me with the proof you need! You dont need complex diagrams just the pictures and this wouldnt be an issue.

So lets see if I have the theory correct. Osama Bin Laden, in colaberation with G. Bush and D. Cheney, masterminded the 9-11 "conspiracy" so George and Dick could eventually get Iraqs oil?
If you recall, Osama and his henchmen were on the tube stating that it all turned out better than expected. That proves he was involved but what was his motive then?
Is GW secretly hiding Osama at his ranch in Texas? This would explain why we can't find him in the middle east.
Maybe Osama wanted to retire creating the Zarqawi link. If he is at GW's ranch doing lines with George...I would imagine he wouldn't have the time to run AlQueda anymore.
MAYBE we were going to supply Osama with a new missle and he requested the test be done on the Pentigon. Being a multi-layer building this would be a great test spot.
HMMMMMMMMMM...I wonder :confused:

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So lets see if I have the theory correct. Osama Bin Laden, in colaberation with G. Bush and D. Cheney, masterminded the 9-11 "conspiracy" so George and Dick could eventually get Iraqs oil?
If you recall, Osama and his henchmen were on the tube stating that it all turned out better than expected. That proves he was involved but what was his motive then?
Is GW secretly hiding Osama at his ranch in Texas? This would explain why we can't find him in the middle east.
Maybe Osama wanted to retire creating the Zarqawi link. If he is at GW's ranch doing lines with George...I would imagine he wouldn't have the time to run AlQueda anymore.
MAYBE we were going to supply Osama with a new missle and he requested the test be done on the Pentigon. Being a multi-layer building this would be a great test spot.
HMMMMMMMMMM...I wonder :confused:

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Here i have to go again refuting your weak claims. I never said that they collaborated. I was just trying to point out that everything we got is fishy and if we really want these feelings to be alleviated then how about some pics? Osama's motive? It could be anything...he DID work with the CIA so he couldve been given anything in return for being the scapegoat. Oh how we all tend to forget Osama's big brudder started oil companies WITH GW. Now amazingly, we can find dictators hiding in rabbit holes but no osama with all the secret spy tech all around. Get a grip. You're not confused, just willingly ignorant because you're the "good patriot". why dont you read the posts before commenting on them just because you know i'll most likely have an opposing view

It's called "sarcasm". I checked out one of your and pissants sites...Prison Planet. What a fuckin joke! Pod missle shot at southern WTC building before collision. GET FUCKIN REAL!!!
Why were parts in the lawn...maybe because of the explosion from the fuel tanks?
Why isn't the plane intact so dumbasses can see it. What do ya think happens to metal going at a speed of 500MPH through several brick walls reinforced with rebarb? HMMMMMM :confused: Ever see a car go through a shredder. It comes out in dime size bits and all the seats, dash, non-metals turns into dust. Don't believe me? Go to Wilton Iowa, they have a very nice car shredder there.

Do you happen to recall when the terrorist dumbasses tried to take down the WTC by loading a van with explosives and blowing it up next to a major support. Building didn't budge! THANK GOD FOR THE NEWS THOUGH!!! I remember telling the wife at the time that these people laid out the plans. U.S. news brought on the engineering experts and they stated that in order to bring down that structure..... Fuckers laid out EXACTLY what would have to be done! "there's absolutely no way some tinpot terrorists could have pulled this off alone, or without assistance from the military industrial complex." Military industrial complex my ass! Thank the news!
Get a grip you say. I think you and pissant should lay off the sativa, paranoia will destroy ya! :D

PrisonPlanet is a JOKE! Heres a little info on your precious Alex Jones:

Alex Jones
Born: 1974
Birthplace: Austin, TX


Gender: Male
Ethnicity: White
Sexual orientation: Straight
Occupation: Radio Personality

Level of fame: Somewhat
Executive summary: Conspiracy theorist for a buck
http://www.nndb.com/people/969/000048825/

This asshole apparently is nothing more than a shock jock. He LIVES the capitalist system getting his bucks off of weak minded people that can be easily persuaded. And this is one of your great sources of information? And I should be the one to "get a grip"?

I will have to go with Psycho on this one...these guys throw out conspiracy crap then no one will listen to the truth...look at the books they have written and made money on...it makes you wonder whos side they are really on...

I do believe they shot the plane down in PA, though only because of dummy Rummy's slip of the tongue...

http://www.sectalk.com/boards/archiv...hp/t-1983.html
what do you think?

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i lived rather close to where that jet went down and there were so many people in my area that swore up and down that they heard jets...and there is a major difference in the way an airliner sounds compared to a fighter jet. I for one deff agree with the fact that the plane in PA was dropped out of the sky by our jets.

yeah me too Marko...I really wonder if those conspiracy people are paid to throw people off the truth...

hehe im makor...marko is another guy on these boards...=) :D

oops sorry you are the x soldier guy right?

thats me =)

thought so...how long you been back?

goin on about 9 months.

If that dumb ass Bush had given you guys back up in Afganistan you would have gotten Bin Laden by now... thanks for trying though :)

yeah thats what i was hitting on in that old thread...the focus got shifted elsewhere...i think this was his plan the whole time, but who knows, not much i can do about it now :confused:

remember...bush has said now that bin laden isn't important, we don't need to get him...forget about bin laden...that was after he said he was our number one priority and after he said he never said bin laden wasn't a priority...

what a line of shit he fed us huh.

Did a little research on the Pentigon plane crash. The next link shows a US F4 Phantom Jet testing the strength of a concrete wall built to withstand a nuclear blast by crashing into it at 500 MPH. Remember now, Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon travelling at approximately 530mph.

http://www.big-boys.com/articles/concreteplane.html

Ahhhhh, but what was the construction of the Pentagon? I'm sure it wasn't Nuclear Power Station durable like shown in the link. No it wasn't, but the plane did punch not one but several holes ....possible atomizing on the way as demonstrated by the jet? So what was the strength of the Pentagon walls?
Heeeeere ya go.

http://www.architectureweek.com/2001/1003/news_1-1.html

And here's an article put out by the BBC....I'm sure their out of good graces with someone or other...but its just like all the others I found on the net. Funny though...under my search I couldn't find anything of proof that the calls made to loved ones were false. In the very first post on this thread it was implied that maybe these folk were like Jihad martyrs for Bush. Don't know about everyone else but my parents taught me to give proper respect to the dead.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/ame...613.stm#second

In conclusion....I guess this would be considered the "dreaded republican view" LOL

http://www.september11news.com/Flight93.htm

Have a nice day :D

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It's called "sarcasm". I checked out one of your and pissants sites...Prison Planet. What a fuckin joke! Pod missle shot at southern WTC building before collision. GET FUCKIN REAL!!!
Why were parts in the lawn...maybe because of the explosion from the fuel tanks?
Why isn't the plane intact so dumbasses can see it. What do ya think happens to metal going at a speed of 500MPH through several brick walls reinforced with rebarb? HMMMMMM Ever see a car go through a shredder. It comes out in dime size bits and all the seats, dash, non-metals turns into dust. Don't believe me? Go to Wilton Iowa, they have a very nice car shredder there.

Do you happen to recall when the terrorist dumbasses tried to take down the WTC by loading a van with explosives and blowing it up next to a major support. Building didn't budge! THANK GOD FOR THE NEWS THOUGH!!! I remember telling the wife at the time that these people laid out the plans. U.S. news brought on the engineering experts and they stated that in order to bring down that structure..... Fuckers laid out EXACTLY what would have to be done! "there's absolutely no way some tinpot terrorists could have pulled this off alone, or without assistance from the military industrial complex." Military industrial complex my ass! Thank the news!
Get a grip you say. I think you and pissant should lay off the sativa, paranoia will destroy ya!

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PrisonPlanet is a JOKE! Heres a little info on your precious Alex Jones:

Alex Jones
Born: 1974
Birthplace: Austin, TX


Gender: Male
Ethnicity: White
Sexual orientation: Straight
Occupation: Radio Personality

Level of fame: Somewhat
Executive summary: Conspiracy theorist for a buck
http://www.nndb.com/people/969/000048825/

This asshole apparently is nothing more than a shock jock. He LIVES the capitalist system getting his bucks off of weak minded people that can be easily persuaded. And this is one of your great sources of information? And I should be the one to "get a grip"?

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I was going to respond individually but why waste time when i could just refute you in one go...yet again..*sigh*. The pod missle may or may not be true. we don't know. we only have theories. but then again, electricity was a theory and oil being used to fuel automobiles was a theory as well. Unless you have enough to build on, every idea is theoretical. You can't call him a joke because he doesn't do what he's outraging against....shutting down other opinions and calling them lunatics.

Funny you should mention parts being on the lawn from an explosion. Last time I checked white-hot pieces of metal tend to singe soft pliable grass when touched. If you looked at the pictures the anti-conspiracists used then how come you didnt ask why the grass is the exact same lofty green over every square inch...not even discolored from all the fuel-soaked enviromentally choking debris that people were still looking at days later.

Yes I have seen cars go through shredders....machines designed to chop cars into tiny bits. Nice attempt at a feasible comparison though. I think that a machine going at 500 miles an hour through brick walls whould have left a huge pile of crunched up metal and the recognizings of a plane. I can safely affirm this because contrary to poular belief, other planes have crashed prior to 9/11. Dare I say even AA planes. But yet somehow, this one almost completely disintegrated. Also, many of your "witnesses" say they saw a piece of the nose and stuff. Now you're trapped because you're caught between believing them and re-affirming my question of where are the pics to prove it and believing me and having to admit maybe you didnt think things through quite as thoroughly as you thought. Owned.

Of course the building didn't budge. Any half-wit knows that unless the bombs are strapped right onto the support the energy discharge would have been significantly reduced with respect to its effect on structural integrity. However, you keep forgetting that people were warned about staying away. Like it or not, the same politicians you bend over for admitted to having at least some vague prior knowledge. Since that's the case how come the emergency rescue wasn't more well thought out? You can say they didnt let people know because of the emergency evacuations would be hell without credible evidence, but if they had warnings and the rescues were so sloppy it means they didnt care. And Alex Jones is the lunatic?

You can sit there with that ignorant article written by some soccer mom living in the suburbs without a care in the fucking world. First off, her capitalist claim will never hold up in a one-on-one interview. I've personally listened to his show alot of times at work and anytime when he promotes his videos he ALWAYS tells people to buy it. That's completely true. BUT your soccer mom forgot to mention that he also tells people to buy one copy and make COPIES of that copy for others to SHARE for FREEEEEEEEEE. Yeh, REAL capitalist. From what I've seen, he clearly states that if you decide to buy more than one you're only doing it to support the website because it costs MONEY to run. I dont think he'll be applying for any government grants either. So once again, Psycho things arent always so black and white and the people fighting for your freedoms isn't as unpatriotic as the perfect Bush admin. would have you believe.

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Yes I have seen cars go through shredders....machines designed to chop cars into tiny bits. Nice attempt at a feasible comparison though. I think that a machine going at 500 miles an hour through brick walls whould have left a huge pile of crunched up metal and the recognizings of a plane. I can safely affirm this because contrary to poular belief, other planes have crashed prior to 9/11. Dare I say even AA planes. But yet somehow, this one almost completely disintegrated. Also, many of your "witnesses" say they saw a piece of the nose and stuff. Now you're trapped because you're caught between believing them and re-affirming my question of where are the pics to prove it and believing me and having to admit maybe you didnt think things through quite as thoroughly as you thought. Owned.

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http://www.big-boys.com/articles/concreteplane.html

Did you watch the film....Oh my god, see the plane turn into dust! You call Bush supporters "blind followers" but yet you follow Alex Jones with the same zeal as those you downgrade.

Is film enough proof or do you have to consult with Alex first?

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

Did a little research on the Pentigon plane crash. The next link shows a US F4 Phantom Jet testing the strength of a concrete wall built to withstand a nuclear blast by crashing into it at 500 MPH. Remember now, Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon travelling at approximately 530mph.

http://www.big-boys.com/articles/concreteplane.html

Ahhhhh, but what was the construction of the Pentagon? I'm sure it wasn't Nuclear Power Station durable like shown in the link. No it wasn't, but the plane did punch not one but several holes ....possible atomizing on the way as demonstrated by the jet? So what was the strength of the Pentagon walls?
Heeeeere ya go.

http://www.architectureweek.com/2001/1003/news_1-1.html

And here's an article put out by the BBC....I'm sure their out of good graces with someone or other...but its just like all the others I found on the net. Funny though...under my search I couldn't find anything of proof that the calls made to loved ones were false. In the very first post on this thread it was implied that maybe these folk were like Jihad martyrs for Bush. Don't know about everyone else but my parents taught me to give proper respect to the dead.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/ame...613.stm#second

In conclusion....I guess this would be considered the "dreaded republican view" LOL

http://www.september11news.com/Flight93.htm

Have a nice day :D

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Why do you provide links that anyone with a synapse could figure out? Your test is void. Let's not forget the plane supposedly FLEW into the pentagon, the jet they tested was rolling straight forward on WHEELS. Now you're trapped AGAIN because you're stuck between fundamentally flawed notion and the speculation that it could have skidded on the ground...which means it would have had to do so on the nice green lawn that was undamaged....this is frustrating. Also, you forget that fighter jets are aeronamically designed to withstand surface to air fire which means they are made a WHOLE lot more durably than a commercial airliner. Jesus Christ, how did it ever occur to you to use this as an arguement? If you can't figure out what's going on think like this...would you use an SUV crashing into a brick wall to determine whether or not a Beetle could punch holes into it at 90 mph?

You posted that article i had already read before talking about reinforced concrete. SO WHAT? if it was serious journalist reporting we would have gotten the figures for tensile strength and so forth. That was just a quick "there there it's okay". because we all know that the pentagon was built perfectly and didn't need remodifications like they were doing prior. I noticed that noone bothered to question how coincidental it was that they were doing work in a closed off section of the pentagon that noone was allowed to go into. The very same section that got hit. Owned.

I never said the calls made were false. I implied that we shouldnt be ignorant to the fact that they could easily have been falsified. You also forget that we didn't hear any of these tapes until well after it all happened. As for respecting the dead, i guess im wrong then for wanting to delve into every possible question to reassure every person that their deaths werent based on a lie. You seem keen to respect the dead but also mighty intent on forgetting them.