Synthetic VS Real

Thanks for this forum, I have learned a lot so far, my question:

For my pre-employment test I used Magnum Sythetic urine after talking with the local headship guy, I live in a SMALL town, he said there was one person at the testing facility who has caught a couple people using synthetic by actually smelling the samples, fortunately when I took my test I got someone else and did pass. However my employer does random testing every month as well as post accident/cause testing, so I can be tested on site at any time by EMIT and possibly a GC/MS fallow up OR mouth swab with fallow up. I'm not concerned so much with the mouth swab as I have heard it is rare but I have stayed clean for about a year as I have a family and this is a very good job with Benifits, bonuses and EXCELLENT salery.

I have been "banking" my clean urine now , freezing it, and just purchased a "whizz kit" cause the nature of my work is also somewhat physical and keeping the usually bottle with flip lid in my croch I was afraid it would be to vissable or could leak or fall out in the process of my daily tasks, the whizz kit is nice because it has it's own belt and is more "flat" agains my body and flexible.

My question is, should I use the synthetic that came with it or use my clean piss, taking into account I have to wear this every day, will the real pee go bad if I daily warm it up and store it if the fridge when not in use? Could I use the real pee for like a week and then pour out and use a fresh batch each week? I'm concerned about the synthetic not smelling and I can't afford to loose this job in this economy...

Ps- if I use the synthetic could I or a little into it to add some pee smell to it?

Sorry, problem editing- could I pee into the synthetic to add smell

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For my pre-employment test I used Magnum Sythetic urine after talking with the local headship guy, I live in a SMALL town, he said there was one person at the testing facility who has caught a couple people using synthetic by actually smelling the samples

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If that "person at the facility" had any real background in human biology/urology, s/he would understand that a lack of odor can be exhibited in human urine samples as well as synthetic.
S/he would also understand that it is improper to flag a urine sample on the sole basis of odor without first running the appropriate validity tests on it.

Dont add anything to the QF. If youre really all that worried about odor (in which you have no reason to be), then why not just use all of your stored clean sample?

You can not store real pee in the whizzinator. You'd have to change it every morning and through the old out. Synthetic is still going to be your best bet. You could just hand sew some pockets on the inside of your shorts to keep the bottle in.

Can anyone give an an informed answer as to why not add some real pee into the cup when subbing with synthetic? If the fake is the same constitution as the real isn't it just diluting it? I've read some posts on other boards saying not to do it as well as this forum but no real reason why...? Just can't get past the lack of smell issue, I know at the lab it's no issue as far as protocalls but the security does the tests at my work and they DO have a motive for busting you , don't want them to dump the cup and ask for another sample I can't give if there is any suspicion.

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Originally Posted by Ak_haze

Can anyone give an an informed answer as to why not add some real pee into the cup when subbing with synthetic? If the fake is the same constitution as the real isn't it just diluting it? I've read some posts on other boards saying not to do it as well as this forum but no real reason why...? Just can't get past the lack of smell issue, I know at the lab it's no issue as far as protocalls but the security does the tests at my work and they DO have a motive for busting you , don't want them to dump the cup and ask for another sample I can't give if there is any suspicion.

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You can add your real pee to the synthetic but if its not clean it would be at risk of not passing the test and if its clean why bother subbing? If you're not comforable using synthetic then the most reliable way of passing the UA is just to not smoke any more.

Thanks, that's what I figured. I'm a mmj patient so I'm not quitting. Until the Feds reclassify it my employer will not tolerate it since its a "drug free" workplace.

The guy at your local headshop lied to you. Labs do not have the latitude to go rogue and reject samples based on smell and would open themselves up to a litany of litigation if they started doing such a thing. Don't buy into the FUD. Fake pee is just fine if you run your own QC on it and get the temp right.

Labs can ask for another sample to be taken, that's within guidelines as far as I know. The people who were "caught" possibly could have screwed themselves by not getting temp right etc and when asked for another specimen they walked out...My randoms are done on site at my workplace, we have security guards and little right to privacy as just being on the property I have to give consent to search of my vehicle and person, it's a gold mine and they don't f^uck around here so that's why I've been paranoid. Anyway I got a whizz kit and have been testing it before I smoke again, seems to work great, very sleek and stealth even with all the moving around crawling, climbing etc I do in my job. I've been using hot hands 10 hour hand warmer to keep perfect temp for approx 8 hours and then I replace with a fresh one cause I usually work 12.5 hours but the longest shift I pulled was 18 hours. I'm going to practice actually using it at home and validate it with a First Check home kit and send off to a lab for total assurance, I think I might even be able to pull this off under direct observation if it came down to it and with a little practice on technique.

Another member just recently posted a Pass using the whizz kit so this should work out good...

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My randoms are done on site at my workplace

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Who is administering the test and what methodology is used for the onsite test?

Burnt Toast,

In My original post I was referencing two different test, my pre employment test was at an actual clinic where I was administered a split sample GC/MS, this is the clinic where some people supposably were caught cheating, however I think they may have just made some error on their part and walked out of the lab, thus getting a refusal to submit Fail. I passed using Magnum synthetic there no prob.

My employer does their monthly randoms in a public bathroom style stall which would be monitored, not observed per their drug policy. Tests are administered by non medical staff ie. the security staff by SAMHSA guidelines, I assume they got their 1 hour training video or whatever to be legit. Per the drug policy if there is suspicion of tampering/adulteration/substitution a second sample will be taken under direct observation, if an employee fails to provide a sample within 3 hours that employee will be considered refusal to submit and will face immediate termination.

From all the info I have gotten from co-workers you basically get called to the supervisors office, he's like "were going for a little ride..." and takes you straight to security so there's no real notice, it just gets done some time in the first two weeks of each month. They use some third party to randomly select 10% of the employees to be tested

As far as I'm concerned, I'm as prepared as I can be and have no further questions, I appreciate the responses :)

Oh and it's an instant type test so assuming emit/immunoassay all non negatives are confirmed by GC/MS and you get a little "vacation" until the confirmation comes back lol

Sounds like working in a prison.lol
Sounds like the whisskit with synthetic is about all you can do in your case. Sounds like you've got it pretty well planned out.
For me I would just quit the job and go find a better place to work. I've done that numerous times but I've always been debt free so its easy for me to do.
You've done a lot of research and thats good. Be sure and read up on the proper protocols that employers are required to use so that if they violate them you have an arguement to fight back with. They can not fire you if you can't pee after 3 hours unless you've signed a contract that stipulates that exact thing. If you can't pee after 3 hours they will just reschedule you. Use to do that occasionally years ago before I decided to learn how to play the game better.

Yeah :) its not totally lame though, there are provisions in the regs in support of the employees but Alaska is a "right to work" state and they can terminate you at will without a reason and I signed a statement I read understood and will fallow their policies, but it pays great, excellent Benifits and quarterly bonuses so I'm just trying to cover myself as best I can, I could always get a state job, they don't UA those bastards lol

Just an update, Golden Shower synthetic passed the first check cinfirmation lab test