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One not so secret weapon is to get every student in the state of Washington of voting age to register to vote. If they haven't register them. Even out of state students going to WA schools. I haven't worked the numbers, but......there is a wealth of votes out there, and they can be a major group to pull this off. :twocents:
And I would love to see this also so they can serve on juries and get some fresh new blood in there.
I don't think its going to roll that way though in the next couple years.As our government has stolen our sons and daughters future by collapsing the economy it will become even worse because they are doing away with Pell grants for the poor to get a higher education and then they've raised the tuition rates by 30% on top of that. And then even if your lucky enough to get your degree you have years of student loans that have to be paid back and no jobs available that will allow them to make enough money to pay back the loans. When you abandon your young you are asking for massive uprising and revolt. Like the 60"s, the kids are beginning to wake up to the horror of there future and they're going to be very angry.
I'm not gonna get deeply into your american politics, but I'l say one thing.
The war on terror. The war on drugs. And what has been acheived, someone needs to tell the goverment how to make money the old fashioned way, legitimatly, some hard work. Or point out the self destruct button for them.
Hate to bust your bubble but many folks think that to register to vote is to get jury duty and will not register. Little do they know, it goes on licenses in the state, if you carry a drivers license, you are a potential target.Quote:
Originally Posted by killerweed420
100% on point brother !! My 11 year old even realizes this.. she is a bit peeved about it to say the least.. mind you at 11 yrs old..Quote:
Originally Posted by killerweed420
So I can only imagine whats going through our youths minds which are almost of the age to vote tyranny out.
Boy are you 100% wrong here. !! I last year just went through this in clark co... it goes on your voter registration card.Quote:
Originally Posted by WashougalWonder
Hate to have busted your bubble.:(
They use both DL and VR to find jurors. I've had friends who were never registered to vote, and they still got jury duty.
Jared has been busy getting permission to recruit at local colleges. He's had quite a bit of success already, from what I understand.
The votes we need are those of the women, mothers and grandmothers. The students are much easier....
I plan on getting the diverse cross section. Even some hard core republican farmers!!! :lol5:
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Originally Posted by time4me
I guess illegal immigrants with a valid DL on a visa can convict a U.S. citizen then huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by time4me
Honestly, they are not any of my peers of my community, they are peers of another foreign country with no voting rights..
Guess someone needs to challenge this to make sure U.S. citizens are not being imprisoned unconstitutionally then...see my point of why now ?
So I also guess since felons can have DL, they can be on jury duty also?? But, yet they can't vote..?
Our state obviously has some issues now don't it.
Another point to make when getting a person who is hesitant to sign, tell them that at the present time, signing is also part of the democratic process by allowing it to get on the ballot and placed before the people to decide. Not individuals through their signing or not signing the initiative. That's not the point. Main point getting it on the ballot. :twocents:more
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Originally Posted by time4me
Yeah, I've got a couple of ideas for selling points. I am thinking a box of Nature's Path Hempseed Granola, a hemp shirt, and maybe some info on hemp farming, etc. all at a little table set up somewhere.....kinda cover more of the benefits of cannabis as a whole that way.
I am all for the democratic processes but, not when they dupe me into thinking I will be free from restraint only to later find I voted to put handcuffs on me and a gag order on my elected officials... sound familiar yet??Quote:
Originally Posted by gypski
Initiative I-692. WE ALL THOUGHT WE AND OUR LOVELY PLANT HAD FINALLY BEEN FREED, ONLY TO FIND OUT WE GOT DUPED BY OUR OFFICIALS MIS-APPLYING OUR LAWS WE VOTED IN TO PROTECT US...WE BECAME CRIMINALS OVERNIGHT!!! WHEN WE WASN'T BEFORE !!
So at that end, get it on the ballot and get-ur-done.
And the think that has created all this havoc and poverty in the US is really quite simple but we're not allowed to talk about or we're just to naive to see it right in front of us. Its not JP Morgan and the big banks, its not the big mega corporations, its not even our own corrupt government and public officials. If you follow all our problems to the there logical conclusion you find that its currency that has caused this. In a free society there is no need for currency. Currency is an instrument of debt, that paper floating around in your pocket is an instrument of debt. It has no positive value over the price of the paper itself. And it only has negative value.
Remove currency and you immediately remove all debt. The stock market will no longer be needed, banks will no longer be needed, mortgages will no longer be needed, poisons will slowly disappear from our food and environment.
Why?
Because people will be free from involuntary servitude. If you need doctors care, you go see a doctor, you need food you go to a warehouse and get food. People will quit working for the Monsantos and DuPonts of the world because they will be working for free and will no longer be a part of poisoning the planet.
Currency has always been a lie. Like religion its used to enslave the masses.
Once the first coin was stuck, or disk possessed, the glittery things................voila!! :D
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Originally Posted by killerweed420
You are so on point here KW, yep !! 100% DEBT !! even says so on the paper with ink... FEDERAL RESERVE NOTE !!:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by killerweed420
THE FEDERAL RESERVE IS A privately owned corp. with silent shareholders..
HELLO:wtf:
Most people don't know anything about our currency and know even less as to what the Federal Reserve is. Ask anyone on the street and they'll say its another government organization. Its not and not one single law is able to be written about the Federal Reserve because when the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 was signed into law surreptitiously it protected it from any government over sight. Our currency is an evil thing from day one. But even if Ron Paul gets what he wants and shuts down the Federal Reserve we'll still have the same problem. And this is again where individual state could make a huge difference if they wanted. States are allowed constitutionally to have there own currency and it can be whatever form they want it to be. It can be fiat or commodity backed and its all legal. I would like to vote for a currency based on the commodity hemp and written on hemp.lol
Barter and trade has been known to work in several areas with several things. And hemp and cannabis would work in a multi-faceted system. :twocents:
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Originally Posted by killerweed420
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by killerweed420
That works. And just being a productive member of society works. Most people want to work. Even in my eutopia where everything would be free, people would still want to be productive citizens to maintain our way of life. But by doing this you put an end to the evil side of capitalism which is growing all this poisonous food and toxic drugs and maybe, a novel idea, maybe someone will actually find a cure for some of our diseases rather than cure symptoms.Quote:
Originally Posted by gypski
I think life boils down to either you think there are more evil people in the world or you think there are more good people in the world. I happen to believe there are more good people in the world and given the option of hating or loving most people are on the loving side. And I don't need religion to come to this conclusion because religion assumes everyone is bad and only God can fix that defect in your heart. I don't believe thats so.
I like your eutopia!
We just have to work towards it.
Free the plant first.
:hippy:
Actually time, the plant is free, it is we the people whom are restrained...the plant is an HERB and nothing more.. it is us as a society which has restrained ourselves by ignorance and playing follow the leader as they must no more than I do..Quote:
Originally Posted by time4me
If you want the truth about this HERB issue I mentioned, let me know and I will post it for you for your own eyes to gaze upon and go GEEZ what lying sacks of ****.... just a thought.
Seems the Feds don't want anyone making their own money....Quote:
Originally Posted by killerweed420
"Liberty DollarFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJump to: navigation, search
Liberty Dollar
American Liberty Dollars
ISO 4217 Code None
User(s) Individuals and businesses primarily in the United States
Symbol $ or ALD (non-ISO 4217; used for multicurrency accounting)
Issuing authority Liberty Services
Website libertydollar.org
Mint Sunshine Minting
Website sunshinemint.com
The Liberty Dollar (ALD) was a private currency produced in the United States. The currency was embodied in minted metal rounds not dissimilar to a coin, gold and silver certificates and electronic currency (eLD). ALD certificates are warehouse receipts for real gold and silver formerly owned by ALD certificate holders. The metal was warehoused at Sunshine Minting in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho prior to a November 2007 raid by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and the Secret Service.[1] Until July 2009, the Liberty Dollar was distributed by Liberty Services (formerly known as NORFED), based in Evansville, Indiana. It was created by Bernard von NotHaus, the co-founder of the Royal Hawaiian Mint Company.[2] In May 2009, von NotHaus and others were charged with federal crimes in connection with the Liberty Dollar and, on July 31, 2009, von NotHaus announced that he had closed the Liberty Dollar operation, pending resolution of the criminal charges.[3"
Thats private currency just like the Federal Reserve currency its unconstitutional. To be legal it has to be government currency and to be completely constitutional it has to be physical gold or silver, not fiat currency. But we got suckered in 1913. president Wilson got bought off and then later agreed it was the biggest mistake he ever made. And the truth is even in a capitalist society we don't need currency, barter works fine. And it can be used to avoid taxes which works out pretty well for companies.
I would prefer that we just leave the land of greed and move on to a more fair and equitable system of wealth distribution. Repubs like to think that, thats what government programs are doing, redistributing wealth to the poorest. But in fact if you just look at the numbers the exact opposite is true. With capitalism
wealth will naturally occur to the top 1% which is what we're seeing now. Its the only the level of society that is seeing an increase of wealth.
So much for utopia.. what a let down... ya know how competitors are.Quote:
Originally Posted by hiamps
... they are not any of my peers of my community, they are peers of another foreign country with no voting rights.. "
that's just bigoted. We are all earthlings and breathe the same air and drink the same water....it's time to quit pissing on each other and rise up until everyone is fed, clothed, sheltered, educated, and their health is cared for....EVERYONE!
Were YOU living in mexico or quatamala or lebanon and could find a way HERE, to the home of the free and the land of the brave...whatever it took....you'd do it, and so would i. I still believe in the "send me your huddled masses yearning to be free..." and welcome the illegals...the freedom loving masses yearning.... and I hope they find a way to "make it" here despite our gross and aggressive bigotry and dislikes and fears....I know that because they're being here we're all stronger, and the sooner we can find the grace to STAND together as humans, the better our lots in life will be.
open your heart and dance away from the fears....
FREE THE PLANT!
love,
ion
I have missed you my dear,Quote:
Originally Posted by ionmagic
Not bigot at all. It is the way our laws are built my dear... I was simply pointing out specific aspects we as Americans need to look at in the big picture...
The laws have one ave. open to put people in prison,... and using a way to have a non-u.s. citizen put a U.S. citizen in prison...
That's like having another country punishing americans, only here in our courts... there is no process for it.. absolutely none.
Nothing more than pointing this out.... I was the 1st born U.S. citizen in my family my dear... all other was foreign land born.
So no bigot my dear.. just pointing out court system process which is not likely fair to all..
Example: our voting process allowed dead people and dogs to vote for the governor of wa. some years back... NO PROCESS WAS ALLOWED BUT, IT HAPPENED.:D
Just the facts mam, just the facts.. not FEAR !!!
Did you understand that our state prosecuting authority has acknoledged that cannabis is not the type of substance considered illegal? as it is an HERB.
Are we freeing an HERB, just to have them come back and change their tune... cause once we repeal this law.. that interpretation goes out the window...
ONLY THE STATE PROSECUTING AUTHORITY MAY FILE CHARGES FOR CRIMINAL ACTS IN COURT... IF HE SAYS IT'S AN HERB AND NOT A SUBSTANCE OF THE TYPE WHICH IS ILLEGAL..WE SCREW OURSELVES BY VOTING IN A REPEAL OF THE NOT ILLEGAL HERB, TO A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE WHICH NO-ONE CAN POSSES.
HELP ME KEEP OUR PLANT FREE AS IT IS NOW...
james, you are arguing needlessly. please stop it. you have ONE view of things, and it is yours. You do not understand enough of the larger systems at play in the world, and your limited view is confounding your understanding. you have some of the best bits, backward. the best thing you can do is shut up and read, listen, think...keep your ideas to yourself until you have a larger understanding and a willing audience. you spew, dude! its not nice. please stop it.
ok, now i really NEED to medicate!
love,
ion
:hippy:
what she said....
be happy, James.
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Originally Posted by ionmagic
in addition to students on college campuses, i think old folk's homes is a perfect place to circulate the sensible wa petititon; many such homes facilitate their patients' voting....but a signatures from a couple hundred thousand old folks (retirement villages, independent living centers, all of them)...is a way for them to CARRY the initiative without even voting...they'll love it! .so would the association of old folks care giving, etc.....
can the incarcerated sign initiatives?
and farmers, and farm workers...get them signed up at the farmers' market and county fairs and such, stock sales, graineries, etc. ...the ag community is huge and they're all into free plants, donchaknow......
there are lots of subpopulations that can have a HUGE impact with just the swipe of a pen on a petition...it is a lovely, lovely day.
love,
ion
There are a couple of people setting up presentations for the retirement communities, I believe. There are also folks over on the east side talking with farmers, and there is some interest.
I also picture a small table, with a box of Hempseed Granola, another of hempseed milk, the petition carrier wearing a hemp shirt or blouse, and maybe some info on making fuel and cars from hemp. We need the vote of women the age of mother's and grandmother's. Women are tactile, they like to feel, see, taste or whatever sense, when they are shopping.
They are also known to control the vote in the family, meaning a large percent of their spouses vote the same as they do. I know mine does. We have some great ideas, and some are already being put into place, but don't be shy. Sign up at www.sensiblewashington.org It's easy, just click the 'volunteerHQ' tab to get started. You can start posting your ideas as soon as you sign up!
YES on I-1135!
Gosh dang you 2 always spoiling my sadness:(Quote:
Originally Posted by time4me
But, one thing for sure, you bring a smile to my face every time... why? I love seeing you happy.. so if I am poo pooing on your happiness I will stop. Because it is not conducive with my happiness to see either of you unhappy.
Sincerely with love and respect,
James Sr.;)
james, you are sweet, and i will trust your word, and believe that you are trying to help us GET BEYOND war and hate and argument and brutality. forever, but you are patronizing and i'm feeling pissy, so stop it. if i had a whip, i'd slip you til your tongue tied long enough for your mind to take your breath away. spewing stops when YOU stop. that's how it works. stop it. (patronizing is spewing)
love,
ion, the delusional :jointsmile:
I've been lining up some small local businesses to put the initiative on there counters. This is usually the best way to get the maximum traffic. Most larger businesses don't want to be involved at all. And don't be afraid of the bible thumpers either. Have gotten a couple of religious business owners that are in favor of this intiative and are willing to post the intiative in there businesses.
Great job, kw! That's what we need. I plan to head into town during the week and try my luck as well. We'll see how it goes in my little podunk neck of the woods.
Any tips before I head out into the wild, lol?:hippy:
250,000 voters ain't all that much. They almost made it last year with only a couple months to organize.