Here are the links to the Senate and House bills. Whether we fully agree or not, its what we may get. :smokin:
SB 5073 - 2011-12
HB 1100 - 2011-12
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Here are the links to the Senate and House bills. Whether we fully agree or not, its what we may get. :smokin:
SB 5073 - 2011-12
HB 1100 - 2011-12
Wow, thanks, Gypski. It's the same bill, house and senate. I think you are right.
Now that's what I call legislation for us all. I like the section which reaches into the very pockets of violators, that will stop the theft of honest services right fast.
The section for the research program is awesome...
The pre-emption section addresses needed attention.
Interesting registration program...I see many flaws that will be abused...look at what is going on in mich. state registry system and collectives protected like oregon registry system..the feds want records from the state registry system which is protected by state law. Most feds would pay the penalty [ for a state official/officer ] to get the records.:wtf:
Looks like SOW has gotten the picture finally and about time.:thumbsup:
I don't like the standard of "some evidence" that gives police a loophole around protection from arrest. That's the same standard of evidence we give to prison inmates accused of crimes inside of prison.
What is "evidence" that a patient has been a provider to more than 1 patient in 15 days? What is "evidence" that a patient has benefit from a patient provider relationship? Sounds like anything a kidnap err kitsap county officer says it is. ie: no protection from arrest unless the officer wants to give it to you, which is the SAME THING WE CURRENTLY HAVE. How many patients in king county have been arrested under the current law?
Get rid of the loopholes and add some teeth.
The patient registry is a disaster, but its not like we all didn't see it coming. ACLU has been working on that one for a long time.
The DUI section is a disaster too, if per se limits come into play, any time a patient is pulled over they will be at risk for a DUI.
That plus patient registry = nightmare.
Yeah, the part about transplants is just a slap in the face for those of us who need transplants. They might as well left it out. By leaving it in, it just tells me that no one in the system gives a sh*t and here, let's rub it in your face!
Guess we need to fix this part then don't we.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by time4me
I've been reading the buzz (no pun intended) in other Washington State forums concerning the new law, and what is missing with these two bills, is another bill being introduced. That bill concerns impaired driving and the level that the bill is trying to set is outrageous. The fuckers give in one hand, and try and backdoor us with the other. Does anyone really expect honest services from these schiesters? Do you really feel as though your concerns are being represented? Or do you feel like a pawn in a bullshit game of hide the pea with the illusion of personal freedom and choice where it concerns life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness (fucking freedom from pain and trying to live a normal fucking life)? :cursing: :twocents:
Its not surprising people get guns and shoot politicians and other members of the system because they are such lying fucks who prey on their own constituents and those they are sworn to serve and protect. Not search and destroy. And I don't condone what happened in Tucson. :wtf:
that is what I was talking about with the 'per se' limits, gypski.
The plan is to use a bunch of studies which found a correlation between THC blood levels and accident rates, and use that to pretend that they have proven a causation between THC in your blood and impairment.
Nice trick huh?
Can't wait for the study that shows that people who are specific minority groups correlate to higher accident rates so we can set per se limits on being an asian driver...."I am sorry ma'am, studies found a correlation between your ethnic group and accidents so you are therefore impaired"...right?
Most politicians have sold out to the highest bidder, i.e. big corporations. They do not have the interests of the working people in mind, only themselves. Just look at how they are squabbling and pointing fingers at each other, all while trying to get more than their piece of the pie.
We, the people, the REAL people of the United States, need to stand up and take back our country from a corrupt and broken government that is tearing this country apart. Until then, we will be stuck in this rut and sinking deeper........
May I suggest looking into what a persons body produces when using cannabis. Find this element in the csa as a violation. Good luck cause it isn't there at all. Not even close.:wtf::wtf::wtf: a persons body does not produce the restricted substance delta-9.
This is fear propaganda put out by some really smart folks we all know in the mmj world. any "smart" lawyer with any due diligence can see that. The supreme court of michigan has a specific case addressing these very issues before it.. which it remanded. Ding Ding, round 2.
I think, in today's climate this is very good and leaves room to modify as time moves along....I did note the "registry" is not mandatory.
I do feel this injures the mom&pop type of growers, only big business will deal with the rules and expenses....prices may go up instead of down.
Looks like they are expecting medical miracles...Or protecting script Doctors.
(b) Beginning July 1, 2012, "valid documentation" means:
9 (i) An original statement signed and dated by a qualifying
10 patient's health care professional written on tamper-resistant paper
11 and valid for up to one year from the date of the health care
12 professional's signature, which states that, in the health care
13 professional's professional opinion, the patient may benefit from the
14 medical use of cannabis;
Must be because of the Feds??? Math sure doesn't add up.
14 (a) No more than twenty-five qualifying patients may participate in
15 a single collective garden at any time;
16 (b) A collective garden may contain no more than fifteen plants per
17 patient up to a total of ninety plants for six patients, and no more
18 than a total of ninety-nine plants if seven or more patients are
19 participating in the collective garden;
This one is cool and would have helped while I was living in California...I think Hawaii is the only other place so far that welcomes patients from other states...
NEW SECTION. Sec. 406. A nonresident who is duly authorized to
5 engage in the medical use of cannabis under the laws of another state
6 or territory of the United States may raise an affirmative defense to
7 charges of violations of Washington state law relating to cannabis,
8 provided that the nonresident:
I really like the licensed producers, maybe I will apply. Wouldn't this make the State a co-defendant in a Federal Case?
28 NEW SECTION. Sec. 610. Samples of cannabis drawn by department of
29 agriculture inspectors, unless returned by agreement to the producer or
30 applicant for a license to produce, or to the processor or applicant
31 for a license to process cannabis products, shall become the property
32 of the state and subject to disposition by the department of
33 agriculture. The department of agriculture must adopt rules relating
34 to sample retention and disposal.
Aren't these the same people that now take you off the transplant list if you use???SCARY
30 NEW SECTION. Sec. 1002. A new section is added to chapter 28B.20
31 RCW to read as follows:
32 The University of Washington may conduct scientific research on the
33 efficacy and safety of administering cannabis as part of medical
34 treatment. As part of this research, the University of Washington may
35 develop and conduct studies to ascertain the general medical safety and
36 efficacy of cannabis and may develop medical guidelines for the
37 appropriate administration and use of cannabis.
Got a room? May want to read this part, I like.....
30 NEW SECTION. Sec. 1201. (1) The legislature recognizes that there
31 are cannabis producers and cannabis dispensaries in operation as of the
32 effective date of this section that are unregulated by the state and
33 who produce and dispense cannabis for medical use by qualifying
34 patients. The legislature intends that these producers and
SB 5073 p. 34
1 dispensaries become licensed in accordance with the requirements of
2 this chapter and that this licensing provides them with arrest
3 protection so long as they remain in compliance with the requirements
4 of this chapter and the rules adopted under this chapter. The
5 legislature further recognizes that cannabis producers and cannabis
6 dispensaries in current operation are not able to become licensed until
7 the department of agriculture and the department of health adopt rules
8 and, consequently, it is likely they will remain unlicensed until at
9 least July 1, 2012.........
Yeah they're just playing around the feds here.Quote:
Originally Posted by hiamps
Still sounds like the initiative process is the best way to go. We'll just have to figure on passing an initiative every 2 years.
Too bad Obama is so Spineless...He should at least reclassify cannabis, even if he doesn't take feds out. Why not leave it to the States?
Read the whole section. You had to register by January 1, of this year to be included, and this isn't out yet, so what's a producer or dispensary to do? And if the law doesn't go through, what will be done with the information? Do you trust them?
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Originally Posted by hiamps
This just means that they are following public policy of healthcare under the CSA section 903 so the feds stay away from the field of medicine... although It may be a restraint on free-speech found in Conanat v. Walters 9th cir. injunction, a D.C. case called pearson shows that a 1 yr. is = to a prescription which is federally illegal.Quote:
Originally Posted by hiamps
Now the interesting part is, D.C. now has dispensaries run by the government with 1 yr. expiration dates... Funny world we live in. The model here is from SCOTUS which says if one is under a state registry program they are covered from federal agencies intervening as it is lawful medical treatment. see rcw 69.51 as an example for wa. state.
The math is right on spot. Anything over 99 removes it from state jurisdiction under the practice of medicine to federal jurisdiction no matter what... and adds 5 yr's mandatory which one has no medical defense at all... so the state is protecting us from them !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by hiamps
Remember the letter from the U.S. ATT. office stating no funds and if you follow state law they leave us alone ?? 99 is the ceiling. At least we can grow as a unit now without being victimized by our locals.:cool:
Montana, New jersey and one more but, not Hawaii.Quote:
Originally Posted by hiamps
No. This legislation is to remove the feds from interdiction into state mmj jurisdiction under the practice of medicine.Quote:
Originally Posted by hiamps
Hope you have deep pockets to apply.. this is a strict play-to-pay scheme for licensed producers.
See Rcw 69.51... should explain what they are doing.. a re-scheduling of mmj project with scientific proof. If the feds won't do it, we will.Quote:
Originally Posted by hiamps
I have a question? How does one register under a legislative act which has not yet been enacted.Quote:
Originally Posted by time4me
In case you didn't know this yet, they already have a list of "known" advertised dispensaries in which leo/state prosecutors have targeted... anyone not on this list yet may respond and get identified in the process as a target instead of being covered.
Who is them time??
Because it is our legislators whom are debating this and making laws in our best interests.
It is the executive branch demanding and pushing illegal conduct no matter what.
It is the judicial branch having all the fun with it though... thats the branch which needs the harnesses if any do... as without a judges authorization, no leo has any authority in wa. to do anything to any qualifying patient... it's all about the property and it's category as "contraband".
Only congress can reclassify cannabis because of the international treaties in place. No other fed has the authority to do so. Not even the president.Quote:
Originally Posted by hiamps
It is being left upto the states, look at Oregon, it is now a schedule 2 and meth is a schedule 1 now... they switched.:D:pimp:
The FDA and DEA could reschedule, and the President appoints the person running those organizations, meaning if Obama wanted, he could have rescheduled marijuana.
Can you please show us how that is done ?? In detail form. lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by justpics
Explain why their has been many bills before congress about rescheduling and every fed agency just passes the buck.... hello?? a plant can not be reproduced with the exact same outcome each and every time... so no one has any authority under our public policy regime to change shit but, their underwear. EXCEPT CONGRESS WHICH IS THE ONE'S WHO PUT IT IN SCHEDULE 1 STATUS VIA INTERNATIONAL TREATIES under the CSA.
Remember now the harrison narcotics act was repealed because it was a TAX.
I'm just so tired of the elitism.........Quote:
Originally Posted by jamessr
lol, and I wish I was better with computers. Only my responses were supposed to be in italics....oh well, I think I at least responded.
The same way they made THC schedule 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by jamessr
http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsa...11_Marinol.pdf
Center for Drug Evaluation and Research - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The CDER is a part of the FDA inside the Department of Health and Human Services, the President could absolutely fill that department with people who would correctly schedule marijuana.
It's o.k. time. We are all feeling the same.. sick and damn tired of being subjected to personal predilections and controverting our rights into non legislated crimes for profit under the CSA. As you see from the proposed legislation for patient protections listed, our legislators are damn tired of it also... note the intent located at rcw 69.51A.005, Now look up on-line in google, elements of hobbs act violation, elements of mail fraud, elements of wire fraud, elements of theft of honest services...both state and federal...
The political arena is getting hot and spicy. Our state legislators are answering the call just like congress did in U.S. v. McNally[ theft of honest service case]...making it clear as a bell.!! no ambiguity of what a crime is and is not..EVIDENCE and they changed what constitutes this expressed evidence. and as the court in state v. fry noted, presentment requirement is not triggered until charged...not when contacted by leo,
So as you see, the "prior" court rulings do not now match the proposed legislation. As an aff. def. is now different as applied and to whom and for what reasons. No arrest legally translates into it is no longer a public offense which give rise to any discretion by the prior offending government agents. As long as one is within 15/24 floor, ceiling is what your doctor says it is under due diligence of their professional medical opinion in regards to mitigating your symptoms[notice the section missing in each condition category[unreleived by standard treatment and meds] this was removed because patient are being denied medical treatment thru DOC, which is illegal as all hell, smart to fix the issue before getting sued for millions, see dignity of death act and court cases,, and of coarse this is at the juncture which the aff. def/medical necessity def. per mmj wac. comes into play as a backdrop protection to have a jury of your peers decide if you had to much...not many jurors I know of whom practice medicine for a living, see my point?
As for that judge you mentioned, they are in each and every county as a "gatekeeper" for the state policing interest, every person whom enters will for sure lose and get a lashing.
A specific judge in the county I live in said these exact words to me in court on the record: What is it with you people?? He was responding to me asking him WTF was his issue with me having my 35 plants retrieved from my home he decided I didn't have a right to be at anymore.. he was trying to put me in jail for violating a court order because my neighbor wrote an affidavit identifying first and last name...well the problem was, I have 2 boys with my same 1st and last name, it was one of my boys which was here, not me..anyhow, I know the spiel really well and it is these types of judges which need to be stopped from their criminal behavior against society.
Interesting concept except, your confusing a repeatable synthetic above, with a non-repeatable vegetative plant which controls in the equation your using. The sum of 1+3 is not 2 my friend. You can not get a plant to repeat itself 100% on point each and every time which is the underlying "requirement" for any federal rescheduling by "CONGRESS" ONLY when they receive the empirical evidence that it qualifies under the CSA which congress legislated ... And your also confusing whom has what power to do what in regards to the CSA. Read ashcroft v. oregon., Gonzales v. Raich and Barber v. Gonzales. All these cases clearly state that congress has the only power under feds to reschedule but, a state by state can change any drug scheduling it wants through legislation if it is under the "practice of medicine" field which congress has no authority.Quote:
Originally Posted by justpics
Hope this makes sense.
And whom ever the pres. hires to fill them spots, can ONLY write a "RECOMMENDATION" to change u.s. drug policy, they can not collectively or by themselves change anything with out the authorizing authority to do so...which lies with congress. Why do you think Mr. frank introduced the federal mmj act to congress instead of the FDA or DEA or some other "AGENCY" of the executive branch.? Hence, agency !!
For Hiamp,
Revised Code of Washington (RCW)
Last Update: January 3, 2011
The Revised Code of Washington (RCW) is the compilation of all permanent laws now in force. It is a collection of Session Laws (enacted by the Legislature, and signed by the Governor, or enacted via the initiative process), arranged by topic, with amendments added and repealed laws removed. It does not include temporary laws such as appropriations acts. The official version of the RCW is published by the Statute Law Committee and the Code Reviser.
The online version of the RCW is updated twice a year, once in the early fall following the legislative session, and again at the end of the year if a ballot measure that changes the law passed at the general election. Copies of the RCW as they existed each year since 2002 are available in the RCW Archive.
Title 69 RCW
Food, drugs, cosmetics, and poisons
Chapter 69.51 RCW
Controlled substances therapeutic research act
RCW 69.51.020
Legislative purpose.
The legislature finds that recent research has shown that the use of marijuana may alleviate the nausea and ill effects of cancer chemotherapy and radiology, and, additionally, may alleviate the ill effects of glaucoma. The legislature further finds that there is a need for further research and experimentation regarding the use of marijuana under strictly controlled circumstances. It is for this purpose that the Controlled Substances Therapeutic Research Act is hereby enacted.
RCW 69.51.030
Definitions.
As used in this chapter:
(1) "Board" means the state board of pharmacy;
(2) "Department" means the department of health.
(3) "Marijuana" means all parts of the plant of the genus Cannabis L., whether growing or not, the seeds thereof, the resin extracted from any part of the plant, and every compound, manufacture, salt, derivative, mixture, or preparation of the plant, its seeds, or resin; and
(4) "Practitioner" means a physician licensed pursuant to chapter 18.71 or 18.57 RCW.
[1989 1st ex.s. c 9 § 438; 1979 c 136 § 3.]
Notes:
Effective date -- Severability -- 1989 1st ex.s. c 9: See RCW 43.70.910 and 43.70.920.
RCW 69.51.040
Controlled substances therapeutic research program.
(1) There is established in the board the controlled substances therapeutic research program. The program shall be administered by the department. The board shall promulgate rules necessary for the proper administration of the Controlled Substances Therapeutic Research Act. In such promulgation, the board shall take into consideration those pertinent rules promulgated by the United States drug enforcement agency, the food and drug administration, and the national institute on drug abuse.
(2) Except as provided in RCW 69.51.050(4), the controlled substances therapeutic research program shall be limited to cancer chemotherapy and radiology patients and glaucoma patients, who are certified to the patient qualification review committee by a practitioner as being involved in a life-threatening or sense-threatening situation. No patient may be admitted to the controlled substances therapeutic research program without full disclosure by the practitioner of the experimental nature of this program and of the possible risks and side effects of the proposed treatment in accordance with the informed consent provisions of chapter 7.70 RCW.
(3) The board shall provide by rule for a program of registration with the department of bona fide controlled substance therapeutic research projects.
[1989 1st ex.s. c 9 § 439; 1979 c 136 § 4.]
Notes:
Effective date -- Severability -- 1989 1st ex.s. c 9: See RCW 43.70.910 and 43.70.920.
RCW 69.51.050
Patient qualification review committee.
(1) The board shall appoint a patient qualification review committee to serve at its pleasure. The patient qualification review committee shall be comprised of:
(a) A physician licensed to practice medicine in Washington state and specializing in the practice of ophthalmology;
(b) A physician licensed to practice medicine in Washington state and specializing in the subspecialty of medical oncology;
(c) A physician licensed to practice medicine in Washington state and specializing in the practice of psychiatry; and
(d) A physician licensed to practice medicine in Washington state and specializing in the practice of radiology.
Members of the committee shall be compensated at the rate of fifty dollars per day for each day spent in the performance of their official duties, and shall receive reimbursement for their travel expenses as provided in RCW 43.03.050 and 43.03.060.
(2) The patient qualification review committee shall review all applicants for the controlled substance therapeutic research program and their licensed practitioners and certify their participation in the program.
(3) The patient qualification review committee and the board shall insure that the privacy of individuals who participate in the controlled substance therapeutic research program is protected by withholding from all persons not connected with the conduct of the research the names and other identifying characteristics of such individuals. Persons authorized to engage in research under the controlled substance therapeutic research program may not be compelled in any civil, criminal, administrative, legislative, or other proceeding to identify the individuals who are the subjects of research for which the authorization was granted, except to the extent necessary to permit the board to determine whether the research is being conducted in accordance with the authorization.
(4) The patient qualification review committee may include other disease groups for participation in the controlled substances therapeutic research program after pertinent medical data have been presented by a practitioner to both the committee and the board, and after approval for such participation has been granted pursuant to pertinent rules promulgated by the United States drug enforcement agency, the food and drug administration, and the national institute on drug abuse.
[1979 c 136 § 5.]
RCW 69.51.060
Sources and distribution of marijuana.
(1) The board shall obtain marijuana through whatever means it deems most appropriate and consistent with regulations promulgated by the United States food and drug administration, the drug enforcement agency, and the national institute on drug abuse, and pursuant to the provisions of this chapter.
(2) The board may use marijuana which has been confiscated by local or state law enforcement agencies and has been determined to be free from contamination.
(3) The board shall distribute the analyzed marijuana to approved practitioners and/or institutions in accordance with rules promulgated by the board.
[1979 c 136 § 6.]
RCW 69.51.080
Cannabis and related products considered Schedule II substances.
(1) The enumeration of tetrahydrocannabinols, or a chemical derivative of tetrahydrocannabinols in RCW 69.50.204 as a Schedule I controlled substance does not apply to the use of cannabis, tetrahydrocannabinols, or a chemical derivative of tetrahydrocannabinols by certified patients pursuant to the provisions of this chapter.
(2) Cannabis, tetrahydrocannabinols, or a chemical derivative of tetrahydrocannabinols shall be considered Schedule II substances as enumerated in RCW 69.50.206 only for the purposes enumerated in this chapter.
[1979 c 136 § 8.]
So you see, it is a great thing to have a state "research program"... this is what our u.s. supreme court said protects it's citizens from federal intrusions.:cool:
[1979 c 136 § 2.]
After further review of your pdf. document and noting the date of it and in again listening to the electronic vocal record of gonzales v. raich pertaining to these documents gives rise to say, political bullpucky..lol. they rescheduled a synthetic to bone us of our mmj rights to the plant under international treaties...you should listen to it... I would post it but, I haven't figured out my new computer yet and it's transferring of data to post here. I am sure your skills can help with this in downloading it when you find it, please??:DQuote:
Originally Posted by justpics
Hate the game, not the player. Game started in 1971, players have changed but, the same game continues...Obama is the only president not to come out hot and heavy against cannabis use. No u.s. AG has ever even thought about being light on any citizen for cannabis use...we have 2 top notch good players right now in a fucked up game looking out for the individual patient right. keeping the dispensing at a minimum at large vs. leaving individuals alone. individual as singular and states are given there 10th amendment rights...Quote:
Originally Posted by justpics
Can't beat that in our day and age without being confused by political agendas.
Nixon's drug control budget allotted as a percentage twice what Obama's does for drug treatment versus LEO.
The rhetoric has changed but the policies are in many ways worse.
@James, it's my understanding that IF a drug/med/etc. is found to have ANY medicinal value, it is NOT schedule I. So will this mean that all cannabis is schedule II by default? It seems schedule I is an "all or nothing", so if there is any schedule II classification at all, it IS a schedule II. Can you find that? I know someone had it at some point and I was thinking it was you. I would love to do a comparative analysis and see if we can cause even more stink.
I'm so tired of all this bullshit. The idiocy of it astounding. That we, sick patients, some of us terminal, have to intervene to make sure our lawmakers are actually doing their jobs, is disgusting.
Can we do a class-action against the state if we can't get them to straighten this crap out? I'd be in, if we can.
I am working on my case appeal so we don't have to sue anyone. It is looking pretty on spot to toss these fools overboard into the abyss.Quote:
Originally Posted by time4me
And yes it is a schedule 2 for all mmj patients in wa.... no case has touched on it yet, so far. except a rumbling from our wa. supreme court in a case quoted: ONLY DR.'S LICENSED IN WA. STATE MAY PRESCRIBE MARIJUANA. see rcw 69.51 and left it at that.
An injunction is ideal under Conant v. Walters[ 9th cir. precedent] since we,[ us patients in totality] are protected in our 1st amendment right to receive valuable "health" info. and enter into the mmj political debate... a 1yr. restrains this free-speech right..and violates conant v. walters injunction...
So when I file my appeal, all hell is going to break loose....cause I am not an officer of the court with a duty to protect my fellow court officer but, just the opposite. And I got some caselaw thats going to spin their legal minds into a black hole.
As far as the idea of mmj having medical attributes recognized by our government by the language you used, will never happen cause the rescheduling federal process does not allow any plants to be removed from a schedule 1, as you can not repeat the same test repeatedly with the same results... so it is the states which have the power to reschedule under state law, which if the majority become medical marijuana states, the requirment will be met by congress and the will be duty bound to change it to a lower schedule because the states control the practice of medicine, not congress.
:wtf:Quote:
Originally Posted by justpics
Why would you want the pres. to have a policy for mmj treatment when we are trying to get it legalized...makes no sense to me in the big picture. As far as leo budget, they abuse their rights to access these funds and no-one has tried to stop them yet...lots of meaningless claims by lawyers whom want to keep in business so far. It is a money game and we are the pawns.:wtf:
When comparing 1970 something to current life, seems a bit off as far as $$$$$$$$$$$, we live in a day and age where we are using excuses to start a war so we can gain access to the worlds largest untouched natural resources abroad. Apples/ apples not orange/apples.
Not to mention the united states is completely bankrupt and is in bankruptcy court, gee they neglected to tell us that didn't they??