a Brief Shining Moment?

In another thread MEDEDCANNABIS wrote:

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Originally Posted by MEDEDCANNABIS

the coming years will close many growers and dispensaries, as soon as the next asshole gets into office.

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This brings up something which I have barely even wanted to think about, much less say aloud or write in public, but here goes...

I have a tremendous worry that we may be seeing what we will remember as a 'bright shining moment', a brief little period where we almost 'had it'.

Seriously, whether you like Obama's politics or not you have to admit he has been the best thing to happen to the Medical Cannabis scene, at least in terms of how the feds relate to this stuff.

Let's face it, no one is better at blowing elections than the Democrats, and at some point we will almost certainly see a Republican, or even a 'Centrist Democrat' who is not so lenient in his policy towards MMJ.

It would really, REALLY suck if 2, 6, or 10 years from now the Feds made a strong effort to fight all of this and roll back the progress that has been made. Can't happen, you say? Hell, in the late 70's I thought for sure pot would be completely legal soon. Then the Reganistas came to power, Just Say No Nancy and the rest of them managed to create a conflagration of pot with DRUGS (implying Cocaine, Heroin, Addiction, Death...) and it all pretty much stalled throughout the 80s and 90s.

I really hope I see pot, hemp, all of it 100% legal (actually, I'd prefer 100% decriminalization of all drugs, but that's not likely to happen) within my lifetime; and unless I pass 100 years I'm already more than half through).

What I'd like to see happen - California legalizes pot, the rest of the states follow, some due to an actual understanding that it simply should not be illegal and some due to fiscal concerns (all of that tax money will be too tempting in the midst of a fiscal crisis) Eventually the idea that it could be forbidden just becomes an absurdity within the public's consciousness.

What I'm afraid may happen - the Dems blow it, some reactionary asshole decides to put an end to it all, the Feds start to jack around anyone and everyone they possibly can (with our tax money), coming down really hard to prove a point. At that point maybe someone manages to get a case all the way to the Supreme Court and maybe all the shit comes to an end finally, but maybe not. Maybe they just continue to screw us from behind without lube for a few more decades. I hope not, but worse shit happens.

Well, what do you think? Are we on the verge of a massive and permanent change with regards to Marijuana and the law, or could we be enjoying a 'brief shining moment'?

a majority of states w/legal mmj programs is what will bring that change. getting there....

Was in w one of the lawyers a while ago & his take was that since the Fed had provided a letter that essentially expressed consent for State medical laws, any State that would experience loss due to another Fed policy change would also have legal cause to file against the Fed... to stop/challenge any future alterations from the existing policy position.

Dunno, but it would seem that since a taxable system will be in place & operating by the time a new admin comes in... there would be a murky legal situation created if they went old school & sent the storm troopers in...???

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Originally Posted by BoCoBuds

Was in w one of the lawyers a while ago & his take was that since the Fed had provided a letter that essentially expressed consent for State medical laws, any State that would experience loss due to another Fed policy change would also have legal cause to file against the Fed... to stop/challenge any future alterations from the existing policy position.

Dunno, but it would seem that since a taxable system will be in place & operating by the time a new admin comes in... there would be a murky legal situation created if they went old school & sent the storm troopers in...???

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isnt that being challenged right now?

im meded biatch...show charlie murphy your titties:D

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Originally Posted by MEDEDCANNABIS

isnt that being challenged right now?

im meded biatch...show charlie murphy your titties:D

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The milks gone bad I wish I had two more hands so I could give those titties 4 thumbs down....lol I miss chappelle show :(

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Originally Posted by Ebbandflowian

The milks gone bad I wish I had two more hands so I could give those titties 4 thumbs down....lol I miss chappelle show :(

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hell yeah, one of the greats.

chip taking chapelle on a drunk driving spree
officer, im fucked up..all i need is directions to 3rd street

hey hey take it easy...your on 3rd street

I love me some Chapelle but this thread is really important so I'm bumping it.

I have always taken a "live and let vote" policy and kept my prosthelytizing to a minimum but as elections get closer, Southwest Alternative Care will be encouraging our patients to vote for candidates that are either neutral (at worst) or better yet, supportive of medical cannabis.

Politicians listen to votes and money. That's really it. If you want cannabis to remain legal, it's absolutely vital that your voice and your vote be heard.

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Originally Posted by SWAlternative

I love me some Chapelle but this thread is really important so I'm bumping it.

I have always taken a "live and let vote" policy and kept my prosthelytizing to a minimum but as elections get closer, Southwest Alternative Care will be encouraging our patients to vote for candidates that are either neutral (at worst) or better yet, supportive of medical cannabis.

Politicians listen to votes and money. That's really it. If you want cannabis to remain legal, it's absolutely vital that your voice and your vote be heard.

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I couldn't agree more. +1

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Originally Posted by SWAlternative

I love me some Chapelle but this thread is really important so I'm bumping it.

I have always taken a "live and let vote" policy and kept my prosthelytizing to a minimum but as elections get closer, Southwest Alternative Care will be encouraging our patients to vote for candidates that are either neutral (at worst) or better yet, supportive of medical cannabis.

Politicians listen to votes and money. That's really it. If you want cannabis to remain legal, it's absolutely vital that your voice and your vote be heard.

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well there is more to it than that otherwise they would be waving peace signs vote for me i support mj ill make it legal. the feds have held their stance of no medical benefit keeping it in the category with heroin, meth and the like depite the AMA saying it does have medicinal properties. the only way for change is through education. truthfully we wouldnt have gotten this far without people showing other people that it doesnt harm anyone. anti-drug campaigns have actually helped our cause because people start to see these idiots as liars not public servants right now we are on the 50 yard line and more and more people who believed said lies
will change their minds through education. if i could afford tv commercials i would drill this country day in day out with a positive marijuana campaign. maybe start a gameshow called "guess whos the stoner" to show people you can be a responsible mj user we do have jobs,families, friends, we do support our troops, we're not losers...we are Americans who want our right to consume mj returned to us. i constantly correct and challenge people on their ignorant statements, however i realize its not their fault. they have no interest in it, so they believe what any God fearing American would do, trust their gov, their media and their friends who were told the same thing. i think if norml could pool enough money they could buy a superbowl slot for an ad. we are half the damn world if we cant get this done now we never will. the place to start is not with our corrupted, brainwashed, sellout politicians who own prison stocks its with your everday joe shmoe who reaches for an unhealthy alternative called alcohol after a hard day of work or what about that extremely repressed couple that lives and breathes the Bible but didnt know they could have had a vigorous sex life after a couple of hits from God's gift to man. these people are who need education. THATS HOW THEY DID IT TO US, THATS HOW IT WAS ILLEGALIZED IN THE FIRST PLACE...PROPAGANDA. PEOPLE GOT WEALTHY ILLEGALIZING IT AND NOW PROFIT FROM IT STAYING ILLEGAL. LETS DO IT BACK TO THEM...PROPAGANDA.


this is meded and i approve this message

One thing that has been a positive in our neighborhood is community outreach. We constantly pick up trash, engage our neighbors in conversation, hire local services (electrical, plumbing, security, etc) and try to be a resource for accurate information. It's not necessarily on a grand scale but keep in mind, since 1980, Colorado has backed the winner in the White House all but one time. In other words, whoever wins CO almost always wins. Our votes, and our patient votes matter.

Kudos on that. We've adopted the bus stops around here. Since we're next to a liquor store, they used to be a huge eyesore.

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Originally Posted by bikeTripper

could we be enjoying a 'brief shining moment'?

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Absolutely. Some people seem to think it's a foregone conclusion that the status quo will continue in perpetuity. I'm a realist - I think it may end tomorrow.