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I thought it is now illegal for MMC's to buy extra medicine from the public ? Doesn't 1284 require them to buy only from other MMC's ?
I ask because I was looking around on Craigs list and found the following add:
"we are looking for a pound asap we have got $4,000 cash for the pound if its high quality be legal we need this toaday were running low on meds have your paper work ready to prove your legal please we dont break the law"
Yeah show up with a pound and get it stolen from you.... Sounds like a scam to me.
And yes MMC's can no longer buy from just anyone any more. Only from other MMC's
I agree sounds sketchy to me. They gave no names or a MMC come by here and we can talk. I would flag it.
Take it for what its worth but an article on 9News today says this:
Colorado set a Sept. 1 deadline for medical marijuana centers to state that 70 percent of the marijuana they sell is either grown themselves, or that they have a plan to grow at least 70 percent themselves. The state's new marijuana law aims to cut out independent caregivers who grew pot for sale to dispensaries.
But state officials concede that it will be almost a year before Colorado's pot shops are audited to see where their pot is coming from. Dispensary owners complain that the new growing requirement is vague and impossible to enforce.
9NEWS.com | Denver | Colorado's Online News Leader | Colo. pot sellers face new growing requirement
When I saw Matt Cook at the last MMBA meeting in Denver he spoke to sourcing prior to Sep 1. He said that they only care where product comes from after Sep 1, which is after you made your certification.
But to answer the question, yes MMC's can only buy excess from other MMCs and that can't be more than 30% of some undetermined volume calculation.
So if I decide to grow my own meds and have extra beyond my needs, is there no way I can sell it to a MMC? How about to the co-op I am a member of, and which is run by my primary care provider? Can they buy meds from me?
It seems to me that it would be difficult to grow and for people without an edibles exception NOT go over the 2 oz. limit.
It's all quite confusing.
You are correct, MMC's cannot buy your overage. Co-ops are illegal in 1284 if there is more than one caregiver involved. I'm fairly sure that patients selling meds isn't addressed in the bill, so you may have something there.Quote:
Originally Posted by bikeTripper
Additionally, here is a line I'd be interested in:
"... OR A PRIMARY CAREGIVER FOR HIS OR HER PATIENTS
OR A PATIENT FOR HIMSELF OR HERSELF MAY CULTIVATE OR PROVIDE
MARIJUANA AND ONLY FOR MEDICAL USE."
So it looks like you can cultivate, but only for your own use.
Well, I think I'll need to contact my Provider and see what's up with the co-op status now, his status as my primary, etc... Which also makes me wonder, if my primary provider had more than 5 prior to the new rules, what happens to those 'extra' folks? I assumed that if there was a change of status, he would let me know.
As for being allowed to grow for themselves, many limited to 2 oz. of ready product, and nowhere to sell overage - that would seem to paint a lot of folks into a corner, so to speak.
I think they were trying to keep caregivers and patients from growing huge quantities that would have to go somewhere[black market].Quote:
Originally Posted by bikeTripper
So, in the end, you can only hold 2oz as an individual, and a patient that is also a caregiver for 5 can only hold 12oz. And that 12oz is if none of his patients are holding meds. If they each have an ounce, then he can only hold 7.
It's pretty easy to overgrow that 2oz with only one plant finishing each month. Hash the rest? Make cookies?
I actually have an edibles recommendation, so I'm pretty sure that's just what I'll end up doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by SoCoMMJ
But so you bring up another point...
2 ozs of what? 2 ozs of buds? 2 ozs of hashish or oils? I've never seen anything in Amendment 20 or the new law that makes a distinction, but it would seem to be impossible to end up with 2 ozs of hash without first having substantially more materials at some point along the way between harvest, curing, and making a concentrate.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not really complaining. I'm much happier with the way things are now than a few years back. It's just that there seem to be a lot of contradictions in all of this that make it tough for people to stick to the letter of the law, even if they try.
Colorado: Department of Public Health and Environment, Colorado Medical Marijuana RegistryQuote:
Originally Posted by bikeTripper
(i) "Usable form of marijuana" means the seeds, leaves, buds, and flowers of the plant (genus) cannabis, and any mixture or preparation thereof, which are appropriate for medical use as provided in this section, but excludes the plant's stalks, stems, and roots.
So that means don't leave your old fan leaves kicking around, cuz they count.
And don't hang tons of weight on an edibles rec either. It might help once you get to court, but not in a LEO encounter. If you have to go to court, you had better be able to prove the need, have your doctor there to back you up, and be able to sell it to a jury.
Additional plant recs only provide for an affirmative defense, not an exception to the law as provided by a 6 plant rec.
And yes, it takes you +/- 20oz of sugar trim to get 2oz of hash. So you make it small batches at a time.
So if we take our extras or what would be extras and make cookies with and then have 2 ozs of buds what is to stop them from taking the cookies you made from leaves and counting that in the weight of 2 ozs. These laws are piss poor and dont communicate definitive rules for us to follow allowing for Leo to use what ever interpetation of the law fits their agenda.
It is so easy to go over 2oz of usable form by the laws interpetation. Seeds are not a usable form that i know of. Stems are pretty much useless. Even with just one small plant if it has 2oz of buds on it as soon as you chop it you are illegal by law. I am no expert i cannot look at a plant and go himm thats more than 2oz i better cut some leaves stems and buds off and throw them away. If it got seeded well then your even screwed more because they condsider seeds a usable form .You cant judge how much weight the plant will lose once its dried well at least i cant. All it takes for you to go to jail and lose your right to use MMJ is 2.01 of an Oz. They could pick up a stem and throw it in there and make you over.
Right, but most patients don't consume more than 2oz a month.
If you were to harvest one plant a month you can easily fulfill that need. Harvest what you need, destroy the rest and you would be all set.
Like I said, their intent was to provide for patients and at the same time prevent overage headed into the black market.
I guess they have to put a medical limit somewhere since it's still under prohibition to the general public.
Sorry SoCo i didnt mean that to sound like i was jumping on you. Its just frustration of not really knowing where you stand. I guess it all depends on how honest the cop is and his interpetation of the law and how he enforces. It just leave a gaping hole for us not knowing.
Just reading that is painful. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by SoCoMMJ
Although it does bring up a scene from decades ago, a friend of mine asked by his mom, "Did you get rid of that marijuana like I told you to?" His reply: "Yeah, I burned it." :stoned:
make hash or give it away. that destroys oodles of weight.
I didn't take it that way at all. It all makes for good discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by valstar
This whole thing is such a fustercluck that nobody really knows what the deal is. We spend thousands with the lawyers and we get back a huge pile of, "Yeah, that's kind of a gray area."
WTF :smokin:
If a patient were to grow outside (green house) and have an annual harvest they're pretty much screwed. Even though 3 plants would easily produce a years supply your not allowed to keep it. I have no idea what a person is supposed to do with the overage.Quote:
Originally Posted by SoCoMMJ
I face a problem with this limit. I have a small closet I can grow 3 plants in, and my experience so far has been having only made 3 harvests, I have found that is usually only about a 2-month supply, but it is also more than the limit of 2 oz., and since it takes me another 2 months to produce another harvest from clones, and I cannot always source clones easily, I am reluctant to destroy my surplus (over the limit) as I already end up having to purchase supply from the dispensaries until I can harvest again. I don't make a lot of money, I need to medicate 4 times a day to prevent pain, and am feeling very strained to keep in compliance with the law and also provide myself with the easiest access to medicate to my necessity. I am also being fined by a hotel for medicating for my understanding of what is within the limits of the law (not publicly or in view of public, so in my hotel room was my only option) and am becoming mentally anguished from the stress of it.
I agree. But I think their intent was to allow for a perpetual harvest, at one plant per month if a patient opted to grow their own. Overage is the part that they are trying to avoid.Quote:
Originally Posted by flyfisher48
So with the current laws, it is either harvest smaller quantities frequently, have a caregiver that does, buy from a dispensary, or buy black market.
Nobody said it doesn't suck, but there are workable options.
Maybe run your plants in stages instead of all at once...Quote:
Originally Posted by DryEye
Put one in flower,
cut a clone from it when you put it in.
wait 3 weeks,
put another one in flower, cut a clone from it when you put it in
repeat.
if you lose a clone, just buy another from a dispensary for $10-$15.
You should be able to spread out your harvests like this without going over your plant count or have excess finished meds that way. And you are pulling a full plant down every 3 weeks.
Just keep the clones in 18-24 hour light so they don't flower before you are ready.
[quote=SoCoMMJ]Maybe run your plants in stages instead of all at once...
Put one in flower,
cut a clone from it when you put it in.
wait 3 weeks,
put another one in flower, cut a clone from it when you put it in
repeat.
if you lose a clone, just buy another from a dispensary for $10-$15.
You should be able to spread out your harvests like this without going over your plant count or have excess finished meds that way. And you are pulling a full plant down every 3 weeks.
Just keep the clones in 18-24 hour light so they don't flower before you are ready.[/QUOTE
Even though I'm covered, I'm really outside and the correct lighting only comes around once a year. I suppose I could do auto flower that way, but I think the winter would still be tough, and that doesnt address the current crop.
The thought of keeping 2 oz's and destroying 2 lbs is painful indeed.
I've thought of kind of a perpetual haarvest, but wonder how feasable it would be to just harvest as needed. Wonder how that would effect the quality?
The solution seems fairly simple... just hash it. And don't waste time with big yielders, like doing bubble bags. Or even something dangerous, like butane. I'd get some sieves and do some really fine, old school hash.