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the helmets look historically familiar?...:wtf:
...I mean, "Secret State Police" sounds sooo much more manly and official than "SWAT" or "Special Response Team" or whateverdefuck PC name they're calling themselves.
Calling them "Jackbooted Thugs" would just give the wrong impression, wouldn't it?
:mad:
great show, thanks for posting this. I thought they made some good points like ultimately it is the rhetoric of the pols, and those that vote for them, that is responsible for this. We can't have a "war" on drugs and then arm our local police as if they are going to war and not expect this to happen.
And, accoding to this, these SWAT raids happen hundreds of times every day. it is standard operating procedure today to send SWAT teams into family homes, killing their dogs in front of the kids. What was created in the '70's as an elite team to handle an already violent situation morphed in the '80's into this what is today: terrorists fighting a jihad on herb. :wtf:
Gaze on the FACE OF FREEDOM.
It's good to see we did not waste any of the NAZI tactics that we learned and brought HOME from the last world war.
NAZI will never die. It's not a race it's a way of life.
Did we win or did we become the enemy.
The name for them is SS.
It was unbelievable to me that the Mayor of a town was raided. What a waste of our tax paying resources!
This isn't unbelievable at all. Well, maybe a mayor gettin nailed is- least we forget Marion Barry, :wtf:.
The reality is that this is the way we've been executing search warrants nationwide for ALL crimes in the USA over the last few decades. Back in the eighties we didn't use special teams to carry out most search warrants but we did conduct what we called dynamic entries as a matter of course on drug searches. No helmets, flash bangs, or automatic weapons but we entered loudly and with force kicking in doors and pointing our weapons at people as we secured the premises. And yeah, sometimes dogs got shot too.
All in the name of catching them "drug crazed criminals", cough, cough.
Things have been out of hand for a long time now. It's madness.
just to be clear, I don't personally blame these individual officers for this raid or any of the other officers in the other 100's of raids like this that happen everyday. they are just doing their job as safely as they can.
I blame the reefer mad pols who will not differentiate herb from say, meth or crack, the people who own them like loose change in their pockets and continue to profit year in and year out from them and the maroons who continue to vote for them. these are the terrorist driving this jihad on herb. :twocents:
So in your mind it is somewhat justified to utilize these types of entries risking the welfare of children and everyone else present against folks who like to use cocaine and/or other drugs now and then?Quote:
Originally Posted by boaz
Wow, I find that rather appalling.
No, that is not what I said at all. Don't put words in my mouth.Quote:
Originally Posted by leadmagnet
You specifically stated that the raids are the result of "reefer mad pols who will not differentiate herb from say, meth or crack".Quote:
Originally Posted by boaz
So what the heck ARE you sayin??? That reads fairly clearly that you condone such raids against the users of drugs other than cannabis.
i swear the day any cop kicks my door in and shoots my dog is gonna get shot as well. i mean why kill an innocent animal for trying to protect its family? that really bothers me.:mad:
okay, I can see how someone could conclude that, but that wasn't my intention. personally I really couldn't care what a person does in the privacy of their own home between consenting adults and no I don't think we should ever see this types of raids for any family home.Quote:
Originally Posted by leadmagnet
I do think there is a fundamental difference from using cannabis vs. say smoking crack or meth, and this difference should be reflected in our laws, but that is whole different topic. I take it you disagree.
the main point I was trying to make is that I can understand the officers' point of view, too, wanting to stay safe and all, especially after reading your comments and knowing your story. but anyways crazy shit, and yes, as was just said, seeing your family dogs get gunned down in front of your kids would sure upset me, too. :mad:
If I'm performing a search and get attacked by a dog, sorry, but the dog is going to be the one to get hurt- not me if I have anything to say about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by gravila
My point was that if the police were to properly do their homework in a drug investigation they should be quite able to see what they're dealing with; be it a hardened individual or group of individual criminal predator types dealing drugs or "joe blow I like to pack my nose" kind of person and carry out their search warrant accordingly. Nowadays everyone gets treated like an Al Capone and that's just bullshit. Most of the current mindset is directly attributable to the bigoted prohibitionist crap depicting the average drug user as some kind of monster.
Yeah, I do disagree. I hear similar comments to yours from the boozers and tobacco smokers damn near every day.Quote:
Originally Posted by boaz
yeah, I agree. from what I've read this was totally f'd up before they ever even arrived at the scene. i think the search warrent was two months old, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by leadmagnet
In another thread someone has posted a video of the Columbia, MO Police Chief and it sounds like he is actually on our side and wants help in changing the laws there.
I wonder if this was this city, county or state police in this raid? anyone know? Columbia has more relaxed cannabis laws that the rest of Missouri but they are, one would assume, still subject to State law enforcement. Could be interesting to see how all this plays out in the court of public opinion.
booze and cig's! now that is hard core. :jointsmile:Quote:
Originally Posted by leadmagnet
If we're talking about one's health both psychological and physical; most definitely.Quote:
Originally Posted by boaz
Let's face it, if our forefathers simply HAD to be prohibitionists- why didn't they legalize an opiod beverage of some standard dose and cannabis rather than far more hazardous substances like alcoholic beverages and tobacco?
well, from what I understand from my years of studies at the History Channel Univ. :jointsmile: our founding fathers had a deep respect for hemp and its flowering cousin, cannabis. They all grew it. Jefferson had an extensive collection of seeds from all over the world. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by leadmagnet
but, for a pure cash crop, tobacco was a better choice because of its physical addictive properties. much like opium or heroin. once the English and the rest of the world got a taste of our tobacco they were hooked for life. Cha Ching! $$$$
I don't think it's so simple as just profit motive and tobacco being the golden ticket. Let's face it, we could have just as easily made a lot of money off of opium products as a replacement for alcoholic beverages within the alkie/junkie community. So much of it boils down to just plain bigorty. After all, arent all those other drugs for poor folks and people of color and squinty eyes???Quote:
Originally Posted by boaz
Also, understand that most of this prohibitionist silly shit actually didn't begin to dominate our laws at the federal level until 1914 with the Harrison Act and of course the temperance movement and alcohol prohibition in 1920 under the 18th amendement. Although... you really do have to give the tobacco growers credit for coming up with one of the most insidious drugs out there and a delivery system guaranteed to insure medical casualties for decades to come!
Yesterday in Southern California two men were killed and one severely wounded at two cannabis collectives in the LA area. This violence coming at a time when LA district attorney Steve Cooley has called for the collectives in LA County to close siting them as allegedly being in violation of the law.
During the weeks that they have enacted this attack on the collectives, several have been robbed. When the employees, patients or witnesses call LA law enforcement for help they are being told "You aren't supposed to be open anyway.", refusing to protect and serve the community as is their oath. This has enacted a "wild west" kind of attitude amongst criminals. Offensively enough, Cooley has the audacity to say the collectives draw crime, when it is him creating the sudden increase in crime. Steve Cooley is clearly using this and peoples lives to run a personal resume to run for attorney general and call himself tough on crime.
Literally all of this added "crime" is a bi-product of the upheaval being created by them going completely against the laws we vote in. All of those thousands of patients are scrambling to find a new collective. The business neighbors are upset from their parking being taken, to littering and basic things being created by a lack of facilities necessary to properly care for those patients. All this little stuff is fixable, but lives cannot be brought back and we don't care if the DA gets a better job.
How many will suffer, how many will die in this ridiculous abuse of power and our constitutional rights? How many will we tolerate before we stand stronger and say no more!?
Our thoughts and prayers go out to the families of our community budtenders and hero activists. "Mathew Butcher, Mateo" and the people of Hollywood Holistic 2 we love you and appreciate the sacrifices you and your loved ones have given to this movement and its war.
Tell the truth when you know it!
MedMike
VERY cogent post medmike. Steve Cooley has only himself to blame for rising crime rates. But I'll tell you, you're talking to a wall when you try enlighten prohibitionists like Cooley.Quote:
Originally Posted by MedMike
He is banking on the fact that there are a lot of ignorant folks out there who- through YEARS of listening to prohibitionist propaganda, totally buy in to his crap.
And until America wakes up, the ill and infirm will continue to be persecuted for utilizing one of the most effective meds as it relates to addressing the consequences of their various ailments.
Aren't the prohibs grand?!!! (The sick bastards).
Total injustice. This country has fallen so far.
Fallen? Fallen? As it relates to this ridiculous "war on drugs", we FELL a long time ago! With cannabis legalization we'll only be up on one knee. Cannabis legalization is just a crack of light in a long tunnel.Quote:
Originally Posted by neceros
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You can't possibly even discuss the possibility of Cannabis Prohibition ending...
I mean, think of the children... WE wouldn't want to send the wrong message...
Seriously, tho...
Time to end The War On (some) Drugs...
Why the dogs man, I love my dogs and treat them like my children. That sickened me. But those cops were lucky. Down here in Texas many of us own large caliber weapons, myself included, and if some strange people are being loud and breaking down a door, its enough alarm to grab that weapon. Some swat members I hear are running in unmarked. I understand that these 'LACKYS" for loss of a better term, are just doing their jobs but you would think they wouldn't be so dumb about it. And yes this fake war on drugs seem to be focused more on pot, something I believe to not be harmful, and not enough on the real drugs and crime. LEGALIZE REGULATE EDUCATE MEDICATE!
PTTP!
I'm with you on this one. I love my animals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beautifulkayos