Picket Lotus, Broadway Wellness, Rocky Mountain Organics!!!!

I've personally spoken with all of these shop owners. They all support 1284!

They will lie to your face to sell you pot, telling you it is organic when they know that chemical pesticides illegal to even use on plants were used. They all have no love for the plant, they are business folks. Half the strains they have are mislabeled, and the budtenders/owners constantly spew misinformation regarding lineage/effect of strains.

I hate 1284, and I'd love to picket some of the folks that claim to be on our side, but who have actually been trying to twist the whole law just so they can make money off of it! It is EVIL!!!!!!

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I've personally spoken with all of these shop owners. They all support 1284!

They will lie to your face to sell you pot, telling you it is organic when they know that chemical pesticides illegal to even use on plants were used. They all have no love for the plant, they are business folks. Half the strains they have are mislabeled, and the budtenders/owners constantly spew misinformation regarding lineage/effect of strains.

I hate 1284, and I'd love to picket some of the folks that claim to be on our side, but who have actually been trying to twist the whole law just so they can make money off of it! It is EVIL!!!!!!

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It's irresponsible to accuse businesses of using illegal chemical pesticides without presenting any evidence, but I'll bite: let's hear your case. I sent a heads-up email to the three businesses in question in case they want to defend themselves against your charges.

This brings up a good point on what we really consider "Organic" from what Ive actually learned is that unless you are growing "Vegan" your not really growing organic.If anyone is interested in learning more about this in detail check out the latest episode of the John Doe Radio Show it includes one of the High Times gurus and it makes sense when your really think about it.I think the most interesting part was that you dont have to monitor ph or ppm since the Bio Nutes are readily available across the board instead of being ph specific.But to just plan lie about something being "Organic" is not cool at all.

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This brings up a good point on what we really consider "Organic" from what Ive actually learned is that unless you are growing "Vegan" your not really growing organic.

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That's ridiculous. In nature, animals die and decompose in the soil. Sounds like propaganda from makers of vegan nutes to me.

As far as places giving misinformation on strains and whatnot, that seems very common, even in "good" places.

I'm tired of dispensaries labeling weed "silver haze" and "skunk #1", etc. This is such a load of BULL$HIT, I haven't seen skunk #1 in YEARS. Silver Haze takes over 100 days to mature.... a disp. is selling weed labeled "silver haze". The grower happens to be there and tells me it takes 60-some days to finish. I reply that "I'm sorry, this is not silver haze. It smells something like it, but it's not, not even close". I've said the same to other disp's I've been to and the budtender or owner just shrug, like "what am I supposed to do about it?" How about educating yourself and not allowing your growers make up whatever strain name they want? Don't try and sell me "Silver Haze" that has 50% Indica content, or Skunk #1 that doesn't even smell anything like skunk. At ALL! Are people's memories so short, or have people never actually seen what Haze and Skunk are supposed to look like?

I believe the new owners of CCF fall into this category. Look at some of his posts and its obvious there's no love for the plant. And I'm pretty sure "Leafy greens" is not a real strain.
Better get on the horn HighPop!

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It's irresponsible to accuse businesses of using illegal chemical pesticides without presenting any evidence, but I'll bite: let's hear your case. I sent a heads-up email to the three businesses in question in case they want to defend themselves against your charges.

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You are right. Only shop that did the pesticide thing for sure is RMO... and I have no evidence.

mostly just mad about 1284 and those that supported it.

I've read extensively about No Pest Strips and Dichlorvos and I think it's pretty harmless if used responsibly. However, I agree that full disclosure is best and if you're touting your shit as organic you better disclose the dichlorvos use... I know some granola-type people who would flip shit about that!

I've heard of people using dichlorvos in a drying room, which is just careless as hell and could potentially be dangerous. However, if used only in veg or before flowers form then it's pretty harmless. It's broken down by water and sunlight and it's not taken up by plants. There are studies easily found via google that are very relative to growing MJ plants. Dichlorvos is used in food storage warehouses I believe.

One good thing in 1284:

"All medical marijuana sold at a licensed medical marijuana center shall be labeled with a list of all chemical additives including but not limited to nonorganic pesticides, herbicides and fertilizers that were used in the cultivation and production of the medical marijuana."

:thumbsup: Can't wait.

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That's ridiculous. In nature, animals die and decompose in the soil. Sounds like propaganda from makers of vegan nutes to me.

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I agree but if you go to a forest theres not dead animals everywhere for the most part it's decomposing plant matter, fungi, etc.The thing that really got me thinking was Bat Guano like where does it really come from?What if it's harvested in a 3rd world country where deadly banned pesticides where used like DDT or something along those lines.We then feed it to our plants and later it enters our bodys.Im by no means an expert or even a user of Canna products or Vegan growing I use GH 3 parts but it really made me think about the bigger picture.You Know?


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I agree but if you go to a forest theres not dead animals everywhere for the most part it's decomposing plant matter, fungi, etc.The thing that really got me thinking was Bat Guano like where does it really come from?What if it's harvested in a 3rd world country where deadly banned pesticides where used like DDT or something along those lines.We then feed it to our plants and later it enters our bodys.Im by no means an expert or even a user of Canna products or Vegan growing I use GH 3 parts but it really made me think about the bigger picture.You Know?


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That's a GREAT point. I'm an Organics "Believer" and have been for a while. There are some plants where taste is SO evident, but there are others that I'm sure I wouldn't be able to tell if there were low level pesticides used. But I never thought about where these "organic" chemicals come from. How do they classify bat guano? Is there IN-Organic bat guano? :(

HOWEVER, there's a bunch of "organic" food out there that tastes like ass, no flavor, weird tastes, and I know it's hydro grown shit. If it wasn't grown in dirt, IT IS NOT ORGANIC!!!!

Organics, at it's heart, is simply replicating what nature has for us with as little manipulation of her as possible.

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One good thing in 1284:

"All medical marijuana sold at a licensed medical marijuana center shall be labeled with a list of all chemical additives including but not limited to nonorganic pesticides, herbicides and fertilizers that were used in the cultivation and production of the medical marijuana."

:thumbsup: Can't wait.

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But if they are using something to increase the yeild keep bugs away and it is something that is harmful and or people wont buy it because they use this or that then they will just keep it off the listing page. A lot of people are straight up but you are going to have a few that do not give a shit they just want bigger yields for more MONEY

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That's ridiculous. In nature, animals die and decompose in the soil. Sounds like propaganda from makers of vegan nutes to me.

As far as places giving misinformation on strains and whatnot, that seems very common, even in "good" places.

I'm tired of dispensaries labeling weed "silver haze" and "skunk #1", etc. This is such a load of BULL$HIT, I haven't seen skunk #1 in YEARS. Silver Haze takes over 100 days to mature.... a disp. is selling weed labeled "silver haze". The grower happens to be there and tells me it takes 60-some days to finish. I reply that "I'm sorry, this is not silver haze. It smells something like it, but it's not, not even close". I've said the same to other disp's I've been to and the budtender or owner just shrug, like "what am I supposed to do about it?" How about educating yourself and not allowing your growers make up whatever strain name they want? Don't try and sell me "Silver Haze" that has 50% Indica content, or Skunk #1 that doesn't even smell anything like skunk. At ALL! Are people's memories so short, or have people never actually seen what Haze and Skunk are supposed to look like?

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Mr nice sells a Silver Haze that finishes in 60 days, it is not pure haze but a combination of haze, n.l. and skunk #1. Also true skunk #1 does not have a skunk smell but a very sweet smell that is contradictory to it's name and greenhouse sells a Super Silver Haze that is also an f-1 and it also finishes in 60 or so days, so for you to get all over a grower for flowering times on a plant he most likely bought seeds for is wrong, There are a lot of newbies and knock offs out there, instead of confronting these folks you should be offering you assistance in the education department, it is not a newbies fault if he is not familiar with the old school genetics but he buys a pack of seeds from an online bank and then grows it and sells it as advertised and you want to shit on his glory?............Educate do not discriminate!!!!!!!!

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Mr nice sells a Silver Haze that finishes in 60 days, it is not pure haze but a combination of haze, n.l. and skunk #1. Also true skunk #1 does not have a skunk smell but a very sweet smell that is contradictory to it's name and greenhouse sells a Super Silver Haze that is also an f-1 and it also finishes in 60 or so days, so for you to get all over a grower for flowering times on a plant he most likely bought seeds for is wrong, There are a lot of newbies and knock offs out there, instead of confronting these folks you should be offering you assistance in the education department, it is not a newbies fault if he is not familiar with the old school genetics but he buys a pack of seeds from an online bank and then grows it and sells it as advertised and you want to shit on his glory?............Educate do not discriminate!!!!!!!!

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No. I'm NOT wrong. I'm old enough and have done this long enough to know what's what.

You are completely wrong about silver haze. That variety is a 4-way pure Sativa cross from original landrace genetics that takes over 100 days to finish. If So-and-So sells a plant called "Silver Haze" that is actually a cross THAT IS WRONG. I don't care who sells it, if it's "Mr. Nice" he needs to label his strain something else, because IT IS NOT REALLY SILVER HAZE. So, F-U Mr. Nice, if you're selling a some Haze cross and calling it Silver Haze. You are wrong, and you should know better!!!

Also, GreenHouse's Silver Haze is called "SUPER Silver Haze", and it takes 10-12 weeks, not 8!!! They don't call it "Silver Haze" and describe it truthfully as a cross, a hybrid that was made to preserve as much original silver haze while reducing flowering time and increasing yield. Do you know HOW I know this? I went to Amsterdam and bought Super Silver Haze Seeds and grew them myself.

You are also absolutely, and completely wrong about Skunk #1 too. The plant you describe is what made it to Amsterdam, It IS NOT THE ORIGINAL SKUNK #1. Anyone who is old enough and has a little bit of experience would know this.

Anyway, it's great you have a cloning business, but really aren't educated about mj genetics. Maybe you are part of the problem of why our seeds and genetics are in such a sorry state. I hope you never breed.

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No. I'm NOT wrong. I'm old enough and have done this long enough to know what's what.

You are completely wrong about silver haze. That variety is a 4-way pure Sativa cross from original landrace genetics that takes over 100 days to finish. If So-and-So sells a plant called "Silver Haze" that is actually a cross THAT IS WRONG. I don't care who sells it, if it's "Mr. Nice" he needs to label his strain something else, because IT IS NOT REALLY SILVER HAZE. So, F-U Mr. Nice, if you're selling a some Haze cross and calling it Silver Haze. You are wrong, and you should know better!!!

Also, GreenHouse's Silver Haze is called "SUPER Silver Haze", and it takes 10-12 weeks, not 8!!! They don't call it "Silver Haze" and describe it truthfully as a cross, a hybrid that was made to preserve as much original silver haze while reducing flowering time and increasing yield. Do you know HOW I know this? I went to Amsterdam and bought Super Silver Haze Seeds and grew them myself.

You are also absolutely, and completely wrong about Skunk #1 too. The plant you describe is what made it to Amsterdam, It IS NOT THE ORIGINAL SKUNK #1. Anyone who is old enough and has a little bit of experience would know this.

Anyway, it's great you have a cloning business, but really aren't educated about mj genetics. Maybe you are part of the problem of why our seeds and genetics are in such a sorry state. I hope you never breed.

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That deserved some serious rep. Gotta enable that, Dorje.

Here's another stupid non-grower question...

It is possible to do Geneome test and identity verification on each strain/strand so you have a base line on each basic strand kinda like they did with the human genome?

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I'm very, very close to joining you in that Lampy. :thumbsup:

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No. I'm NOT wrong. I'm old enough and have done this long enough to know what's what.

You are completely wrong about silver haze. That variety is a 4-way pure Sativa cross from original landrace genetics that takes over 100 days to finish. If So-and-So sells a plant called "Silver Haze" that is actually a cross THAT IS WRONG. I don't care who sells it, if it's "Mr. Nice" he needs to label his strain something else, because IT IS NOT REALLY SILVER HAZE. So, F-U Mr. Nice, if you're selling a some Haze cross and calling it Silver Haze. You are wrong, and you should know better!!!

Also, GreenHouse's Silver Haze is called "SUPER Silver Haze", and it takes 10-12 weeks, not 8!!! They don't call it "Silver Haze" and describe it truthfully as a cross, a hybrid that was made to preserve as much original silver haze while reducing flowering time and increasing yield. Do you know HOW I know this? I went to Amsterdam and bought Super Silver Haze Seeds and grew them myself.

You are also absolutely, and completely wrong about Skunk #1 too. The plant you describe is what made it to Amsterdam, It IS NOT THE ORIGINAL SKUNK #1. Anyone who is old enough and has a little bit of experience would know this.

Anyway, it's great you have a cloning business, but really aren't educated about mj genetics. Maybe you are part of the problem of why our seeds and genetics are in such a sorry state. I hope you never breed.

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The personal attacks on myself and experience were uncalled for, so here it is Super Silver Haze, Greenhouse Seeds, indoor flower time; 56-63 days in, late October out, genetics-Skunk, Northern lights, & Haze, this is from their own description and the first big book of buds and on the breeder pack of the seeds, every good grower knows that the haze brothers strains take over 100 days, I was smoking the original shit in cali back in the late 70's and early 80's before the genetics ever made it to Holland (and no I am not from cali but lived there for school and work) but that is obviously not what the grower had purchased, the point I was making is you should spend more time helping people instead of being so quick to judge and throw insults, as far as Mr. nice silver haze goes maybe you should call and educate him on what he is selling. I admit that in my post I mixed the 2 strains and breeders up, but I guess that makes me part of the problem.

THE TRUE SKUNK #1 was created in Cali back in the 70's by the skunk man, and contrary to it's name it does not carry the oder of skunk but a rather sweet order. The skunk #1 was brought to Holland in 1985 and it is a 75 sativa 25 afghani indica not a land race strain, check it out for yourself. this was also the very first strain to win the high times cannabis cup in 1987.

So djore113, maybe I am not as uneducated as you think, there were plenty of hybrid skunks that had the skunk smell back in the day, maybe you were smoking something else.

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No. I'm NOT wrong. I'm old enough and have done this long enough to know what's what.

You are completely wrong about silver haze. That variety is a 4-way pure Sativa cross from original landrace genetics that takes over 100 days to finish. If So-and-So sells a plant called "Silver Haze" that is actually a cross THAT IS WRONG. I don't care who sells it, if it's "Mr. Nice" he needs to label his strain something else, because IT IS NOT REALLY SILVER HAZE. So, F-U Mr. Nice, if you're selling a some Haze cross and calling it Silver Haze. You are wrong, and you should know better!!!

Also, GreenHouse's Silver Haze is called "SUPER Silver Haze", and it takes 10-12 weeks, not 8!!! They don't call it "Silver Haze" and describe it truthfully as a cross, a hybrid that was made to preserve as much original silver haze while reducing flowering time and increasing yield. Do you know HOW I know this? I went to Amsterdam and bought Super Silver Haze Seeds and grew them myself.

You are also absolutely, and completely wrong about Skunk #1 too. The plant you describe is what made it to Amsterdam, It IS NOT THE ORIGINAL SKUNK #1. Anyone who is old enough and has a little bit of experience would know this.

Anyway, it's great you have a cloning business, but really aren't educated about mj genetics. Maybe you are part of the problem of why our seeds and genetics are in such a sorry state. I hope you never breed.

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The breeder who currently works with mr nice seeds is shanti baba, whom is partly responsible for many great genetics, including almost all of greenhouses cannabis cup winning varieties including super silver haze, Shanti Baba was one of the founders of greenhouse in fact. So I do believe MR Nice probably does know what's going on with most of their strains, being that the other part of mr nice is howard marks who was the most infamous hashish smuggler of all time... Plus I do believe finishing times vary depending on which year you got the ssh, and it varies from pheno to pheno, seedbank to seedbank. The same goes for the original skunk there were more than one phenotype of the skunk #1(originally) it has only been in recent times I'm starting to see more uniformity in the skunk and unfortunately it's not the old school roadkill skunk it's a much more sweet smell..JMHO:rastasmoke:

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THE TRUE SKUNK #1 was created in Cali back in the 70's by the skunk man, and contrary to it's name it does not carry the oder of skunk but a rather sweet order. The skunk #1 was brought to Holland in 1985 and it is a 75 sativa 25 afghani indica not a land race strain, check it out for yourself. this was also the very first strain to win the high times cannabis cup in 1987.

So djore113, maybe I am not as uneducated as you think, there were plenty of hybrid skunks that had the skunk smell back in the day, maybe you were smoking something else.

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This is all true (except there is a skunk-spray smelling variation of the same genetics), and proves you are a savvy google user, but it's not relevant to the point I was trying to make, which is that everyone thinks it's fine to misname everything... you can't take for granted anything is what they say it is, and even good dispensaries are guilty of perpetuating this habit. The motivation behind it is greed, pride, who knows what else... You don't have to tell people, "Hey, look at my Silver Haze" when you really have an unknown hybrid that happens to have that Haze smell. This does not make it Silver Haze, and it's not ok to misrepresent your product as that strain.

funkfingers, I never called into question Mr Nice besides taking what Klonz said at face value. I actually looked it up, and Klonz was wrong, Mr Nice does not sell Silver Haze, they sell SUPER Silver Haze, with this description:

A champion of champions since winning its hat-trick at the 1997, 1998, and 1999 High Times Cannabis Cups and comprising of the most commercial strains known to the uncivilized world: Skunk, NL and Haze. Such achievements confer an undoubtedly regal pedigree. It has an excellent breed for those who wish to possess the stash of stashes and leaves one gasping for reality. This complex hybrid is in the cutting edge in practical Haze hybrids, designed to astound the grower and consumer alike. Recommendation is unnecessary as most people can not see the Haze for their daze.

Notice they tell the buyer what hybrid they are actually buying, and not calling it pure silver haze. Seems fine to me.

no worries bro, just wanted to spread a little info on the subject, good read if you got some googling time, check out the early history of the amsterdam seed banks..greenhouse seeds, shanti baba, nevil, ravi dronkerss(sp), sam the skunkman, ect ect..:jointsmile:

Sorry to disappoint you dorje113 I am not wrong yet again, the seeds I brought back in 2001 were Mr. Nice Silver Haze, you may confirm this in the original big book of buds. what he is selling now .......have not checked really got more important things to do.

I apologize if I got under your skin for some reason, but I took your attacks against my chacter personal. You have no clue who I am or my knowledge of cannabis or my skills in the field of the same, I got your point a long time ago and I agree, it is wrong but oh well, times change and so do genetics and generations, but I can assure you I am not part of a problem, I know my genetics and my cannabis history. Peace:pimp:

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One good thing in 1284:

"All medical marijuana sold at a licensed medical marijuana center shall be labeled with a list of all chemical additives including but not limited to nonorganic pesticides, herbicides and fertilizers that were used in the cultivation and production of the medical marijuana."

:thumbsup: Can't wait.

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I am all for this, but seriously how are they going regulate and enforce this?

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Sorry to disappoint you dorje113 I am not wrong yet again, the seeds I brought back in 2001 were Mr. Nice Silver Haze, you may confirm this in the original big book of buds. what he is selling now .......have not checked really got more important things to do.

I apologize if I got under your skin for some reason, but I took your attacks against my chacter personal. You have no clue who I am or my knowledge of cannabis or my skills in the field of the same, I got your point a long time ago and I agree, it is wrong but oh well, times change and so do genetics and generations, but I can assure you I am not part of a problem, I know my genetics and my cannabis history. Peace:pimp:

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Maybe someone called 'em out on it and now they call it SUPER Silver Haze ;). Anyway, they aren't selling Silver Haze anymore, and if they did sell SSH as SH then they deserve some $hit for it.

Your 1st post to me "Educate, Don't Discriminate" and that I'm "shitting on someone else's glory" was pretty rude so I'm not sure what you expected. I told the guy he didn't actually have Silver Haze, and explained why. The bud was nicely grown, was probably SSH, and I still bought a little bit because it was really good bud despite it not really being what was claimed. It's not like I lectured the guy for an hour or was an a$$hole, that's just what you assumed.