Picket Lotus, Broadway Wellness, Rocky Mountain Organics!!!!

[Kartel]

I've personally spoken with all of these shop owners. They all support 1284!

They will lie to your face to sell you pot, telling you it is organic when they know that chemical pesticides illegal to even use on plants were used. They all have no love for the plant, they are business folks. Half the strains they have are mislabeled, and the budtenders/owners constantly spew misinformation regarding lineage/effect of strains.

I hate 1284, and I'd love to picket some of the folks that claim to be on our side, but who have actually been trying to twist the whole law just so they can make money off of it! It is EVIL!!!!!!

Kartel Reviewed by Kartel on 05-25-2010. Picket Lotus, Broadway Wellness, Rocky Mountain Organics!!!! I've personally spoken with all of these shop owners. They all support 1284! They will lie to your face to sell you pot, telling you it is organic when they know that chemical pesticides illegal to even use on plants were used. They all have no love for the plant, they are business folks. Half the strains they have are mislabeled, and the budtenders/owners constantly spew misinformation regarding lineage/effect of strains. I hate 1284, and I'd love to picket some of the folks that claim Rating: 5

[HighPopalorum]

I've personally spoken with all of these shop owners. They all support 1284!

They will lie to your face to sell you pot, telling you it is organic when they know that chemical pesticides illegal to even use on plants were used. They all have no love for the plant, they are business folks. Half the strains they have are mislabeled, and the budtenders/owners constantly spew misinformation regarding lineage/effect of strains.

I hate 1284, and I'd love to picket some of the folks that claim to be on our side, but who have actually been trying to twist the whole law just so they can make money off of it! It is EVIL!!!!!!

It's irresponsible to accuse businesses of using illegal chemical pesticides without presenting any evidence, but I'll bite: let's hear your case. I sent a heads-up email to the three businesses in question in case they want to defend themselves against your charges.

[SmokeyBandit]

This brings up a good point on what we really consider "Organic" from what Ive actually learned is that unless you are growing "Vegan" your not really growing organic.If anyone is interested in learning more about this in detail check out the latest episode of the John Doe Radio Show it includes one of the High Times gurus and it makes sense when your really think about it.I think the most interesting part was that you dont have to monitor ph or ppm since the Bio Nutes are readily available across the board instead of being ph specific.But to just plan lie about something being "Organic" is not cool at all.

[Dorje113]

This brings up a good point on what we really consider "Organic" from what Ive actually learned is that unless you are growing "Vegan" your not really growing organic.

That's ridiculous. In nature, animals die and decompose in the soil. Sounds like propaganda from makers of vegan nutes to me.

As far as places giving misinformation on strains and whatnot, that seems very common, even in "good" places.

I'm tired of dispensaries labeling weed "silver haze" and "skunk #1", etc. This is such a load of BULL$HIT, I haven't seen skunk #1 in YEARS. Silver Haze takes over 100 days to mature.... a disp. is selling weed labeled "silver haze". The grower happens to be there and tells me it takes 60-some days to finish. I reply that "I'm sorry, this is not silver haze. It smells something like it, but it's not, not even close". I've said the same to other disp's I've been to and the budtender or owner just shrug, like "what am I supposed to do about it?" How about educating yourself and not allowing your growers make up whatever strain name they want? Don't try and sell me "Silver Haze" that has 50% Indica content, or Skunk #1 that doesn't even smell anything like skunk. At ALL! Are people's memories so short, or have people never actually seen what Haze and Skunk are supposed to look like?

[lampost]

I believe the new owners of CCF fall into this category. Look at some of his posts and its obvious there's no love for the plant. And I'm pretty sure "Leafy greens" is not a real strain.
Better get on the horn HighPop!

[Kartel]

It's irresponsible to accuse businesses of using illegal chemical pesticides without presenting any evidence, but I'll bite: let's hear your case. I sent a heads-up email to the three businesses in question in case they want to defend themselves against your charges.

You are right. Only shop that did the pesticide thing for sure is RMO... and I have no evidence.

mostly just mad about 1284 and those that supported it.

[lampost]

I've read extensively about No Pest Strips and Dichlorvos and I think it's pretty harmless if used responsibly. However, I agree that full disclosure is best and if you're touting your shit as organic you better disclose the dichlorvos use... I know some granola-type people who would flip shit about that!

I've heard of people using dichlorvos in a drying room, which is just careless as hell and could potentially be dangerous. However, if used only in veg or before flowers form then it's pretty harmless. It's broken down by water and sunlight and it's not taken up by plants. There are studies easily found via google that are very relative to growing MJ plants. Dichlorvos is used in food storage warehouses I believe.

[HighPopalorum]

One good thing in 1284:

"All medical marijuana sold at a licensed medical marijuana center shall be labeled with a list of all chemical additives including but not limited to nonorganic pesticides, herbicides and fertilizers that were used in the cultivation and production of the medical marijuana."

:thumbsup: Can't wait.

[SmokeyBandit]

That's ridiculous. In nature, animals die and decompose in the soil. Sounds like propaganda from makers of vegan nutes to me.

I agree but if you go to a forest theres not dead animals everywhere for the most part it's decomposing plant matter, fungi, etc.The thing that really got me thinking was Bat Guano like where does it really come from?What if it's harvested in a 3rd world country where deadly banned pesticides where used like DDT or something along those lines.We then feed it to our plants and later it enters our bodys.Im by no means an expert or even a user of Canna products or Vegan growing I use GH 3 parts but it really made me think about the bigger picture.You Know?


Smokey

[FarmerSteve]

I agree but if you go to a forest theres not dead animals everywhere for the most part it's decomposing plant matter, fungi, etc.The thing that really got me thinking was Bat Guano like where does it really come from?What if it's harvested in a 3rd world country where deadly banned pesticides where used like DDT or something along those lines.We then feed it to our plants and later it enters our bodys.Im by no means an expert or even a user of Canna products or Vegan growing I use GH 3 parts but it really made me think about the bigger picture.You Know?


Smokey

That's a GREAT point. I'm an Organics "Believer" and have been for a while. There are some plants where taste is SO evident, but there are others that I'm sure I wouldn't be able to tell if there were low level pesticides used. But I never thought about where these "organic" chemicals come from. How do they classify bat guano? Is there IN-Organic bat guano?

HOWEVER, there's a bunch of "organic" food out there that tastes like ass, no flavor, weird tastes, and I know it's hydro grown shit. If it wasn't grown in dirt, IT IS NOT ORGANIC!!!!

Organics, at it's heart, is simply replicating what nature has for us with as little manipulation of her as possible.