newbie pics of problem plant please help

Please Help,

I started this white widow plant about a month and a half ago, at first it was great it shot up like crazy, all the leaves where bright green and new leaves appeared every few days, after it got root bound from the dixie cup i moved it to a pot and it is in all purpose "no extended release" jiffy potting soil, it liked that for a while but 2.5 weeks ago the bottoms leaves got yellowish brown spots on then wilted up and i had to cut them off then the leaves up higher did the same and so on now i have only 3 sets, and the bottom set is doing the same.

I have these under 2 - 4ft florescent grow lights, a heating lamp in the far corner to keep the room temp at about 75-80 degrees i have an oscilating fan in the corner and i move fresh air in several times a day.

i started feeding it last week with 30/15/9 miracle grow nut mix and i sprayed the leaves with mold/mildew and bug spray, it seems to be looking better at the very top and it started growing a little better, but i dont know if the leaves at the bottom will continue diying and i would think this plant would be bigger with allot more foliage by now.

please help

ps. the 3 small new plants are hash spice, does anyone know much about them they came free

I keep the grow light on 24 hours a day, also i used distilled water and the ph is at nuetral with the nutrients added so its not ph,

ur grow area could be a concern you want it too look how a monthold plant should look then you should look towards geeting reflective walls or a grow box becasause those lamps are mainly for cuttings they work for veg but your lamps are suspended in the air throwing light everywere instead of just the plants so there not getting enough light since its strtched now because of the dead leaves you can lst it and have a good yield but the plant looks fine and so is the strain so good luck
btw i prefer a 18/6 ive tried 24/7 but didnt like it ..but thats just me

You're going to need more light. The effective light from the fluoroescent tubes only extends a few inches. Your set-up is fine for seedlings or young clones, but insufficient for longer-term.

I use the 18/6 schedule for the growth phase. The plants seem to appreciate it more than 24/0.

With the Miracle Grow, I'm pretty sure suggested dosages are for a two week period, not weekly. Cut the nutes in half if you were thinking it was for one week.

Growing indoors isn't a plant-and-forget kind of garden. You'll want to find a way to test your water ph, you'll need proper lighting for the phase they are in, ventilation and circulation...

Without the basics for indoors, the plants will struggle to perform.

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I keep the grow light on 24 hours a day, also i used distilled water and the ph is at nuetral with the nutrients added so its not ph,

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Distilled is does not always have all the necessary minerals, how's your tap? And ph neutral is a little high going in (not too much but better to be a little under 7.0).

As said already, you need more light. Ditch the heat lamp, buy a couple 4 packs of 23w or 42w CFL's, then 6 Y socket splitters, and another powered light socket if you don't have one. Connect 3 Y splitters together so you have 4 sockets for bulbs in one unit that gets screwed into the powered light socket. Check out the "El Cheapo Guide to Lighting" sticky in the Indoor Lighting section. Keeping temps down will be the next issue...

LST might be something to look into also, but just have to be careful not to snap anything!

Happy growing :jointsmile:

I got a 400 w hps outfit and foxfarm ocean forest soil with grow big nut and add a little pee to spike the nitro, the 3 hash spices are blooming nicely, the white widow has grown but the stim is the same length and it looks like a limp noodle, either bad genetics, nube mistakes or both things are looking up though i germinated super silver haze seeds and 4 grew immediately and they are planted just waiting for them to show leaves.

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Originally Posted by bubadutep75

Please Help,

I started this white widow plant about a month and a half ago, at first it was great it shot up like crazy, all the leaves where bright green and new leaves appeared every few days, after it got root bound from the dixie cup i moved it to a pot and it is in all purpose "no extended release" jiffy potting soil, it liked that for a while but 2.5 weeks ago the bottoms leaves got yellowish brown spots on then wilted up and i had to cut them off then the leaves up higher did the same and so on now i have only 3 sets, and the bottom set is doing the same.

I have these under 2 - 4ft florescent grow lights, a heating lamp in the far corner to keep the room temp at about 75-80 degrees i have an oscilating fan in the corner and i move fresh air in several times a day.

i started feeding it last week with 30/15/9 miracle grow nut mix and i sprayed the leaves with mold/mildew and bug spray, it seems to be looking better at the very top and it started growing a little better, but i dont know if the leaves at the bottom will continue diying and i would think this plant would be bigger with allot more foliage by now.

please help

ps. the 3 small new plants are hash spice, does anyone know much about them they came free

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they look hungry. perhaps they are stunted from lack of food early on? All my plants used to look like that, including those in foxfarm with foxfarm nutes until I started using miracle gro soil.

I thought my plant had had it, i just kept putting her through hell overfeeding over watering and flowering early, now all of a sudden she is filling out everywhere all the way down the stem in all the places i cut off the leaves a month ago, i feed her all the time and overwater her and spray her leaves before putting her in the closet for 12 hours, good experimantal first grow plant they are pretty strong plants.

here are some updated pics she is making a big comeback, I don't care if this plant dies I am just using her as a learning experience but if she makes it i will enjoy smoking her none the less.

I just thought i would post some pics of this almost dead white widow, the lates pics are 1 week after the pics about it, they dont even look like the same plants, "I replanted it, fed it fox farm trio, and just started flowering it 3 days ago". I just kept this plant around as a learning plant since this is my first grow, this is a perfect example of why you should never give up on a plant just keep making changes until she likes it.

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this is a perfect example of why you should never give up on a plant just keep making changes until she likes it.

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While I can appreciate your newly found enthusiasm, no one here said anything remotely close to "just change it till she likes it". Please don't do that in the future, seek help and experience and guidance like you did this time.

Do you water like that all the time, or is the soil starting to dry-out? (the plant in the cut-down bucket where it looks like you only watered around the base of the trunk)
If you are not watering the entire rootball at least once a week, you just aren't watering enough.
Sativa's require lower nutrient dilutions, or they will burn. (yours on on the border) Leaf margins will start to show burn damage if slightly over fertilized. Does more damage and death if way over fertilized.

Irridum makes a good point. This isn't a hit-n-miss type of learning. You can slip into a myriad of bad habits by using guesswork as a strategy.
If you don't know...ask. :thumbsup:

You'll need some patience, too. (every gardener needs more patience) They had some at Walmart last week, but not sure it's still in stock. :jointsmile:

Print and use the weekly feeding schedule by Fox Farms. It's available on their website. The online schedule won't let you down. The soluables (on the weekly feeding schedule) are for those with more experience, and should be avoided till you get a good grasp on growing successfully.

That is not what i was saying, i meant i kept this around to see if i could save it and tried different nutrient brands and soils until i finally got it right. if you see the 3 hash plants in the back they are in excellent shape all becuase if this white widow and how i used it to find the right combination of nutes and watering. Trust me i have spent countless hours reading and watching growing vids.

Am all for the learning process. But the tone of your post was that you were having problems trying to figure-out the problems with your problem child.
Had I guessed you didn't give a shit about the plant, my assistance would have stopped there. If you don't give a shit about your meds, rest assured...neither do we.

You've spent how long looking at growvids and reading...?
Gee. I'm almost impressed.
Personally, I only have a few thousand hours spread-out over a couple of decades...actually doing the growing.
But if you wish to brush-off the advise given, have at it and good luck. :thumbsup:

ps...your Hashplants look ok, but "excellent" is a bit of an overstatement.

What the hell are you talking about rusty, if you are going to reply with shit like that then dont bother i wont read it, I joined this chat forum for assistance since i am new to growing. and if i didnt care if my medicane grew or not i would be here asking questions all the time. I assumed this white widow was dead I only did an updated post because of the comeback to show some other new growers how there plants can come back to life. Don't reply to my posts if you are going to cause problems or be negative i don't need that crap and i dont care if you are impressed or not.

Ps. the reply above wasn't even to you, I was going to thank you for all the assistance but I guess not.

Bummer that you got your panties all in a wad, but we go through the process of gathering info from you, (to help you save your plants) and we reply with what we suspect are valid responses, only to have you say you were just dicking around with nutrient brands and such...?
Look at the progression of the last 3-4 posts. We spent good time helping you figure this out, offering you advise to help establish a solid foundation for you to build on, so where was your head when you posted this:

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That is not what i was saying, i meant i kept this around to see if i could save it and tried different nutrient brands and soils until i finally got it right. if you see the 3 hash plants in the back they are in excellent shape all becuase if this white widow and how i used it to find the right combination of nutes and watering. Trust me i have spent countless hours reading and watching growing vids.

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There were no thanks in there. No hints that the help from any member was appreciated at all, in any of your posts. Just a slap across our face and you telling us your experience level has you still watching how-to video's. Before you waste our time and your efforts, perhaps being up-front to begin with is a good idea. We've been around the block a few times and are always willing to help those gardeners that are going to take their meds (and our help) seriously. Those that deliberately play games with our time and efforts are not appreciated. That's life.

If you want to play around with your plants in an effort to gain experience, I encourage and support that. But wasting our time figuring out what's going on with your plant, just to find out you likely knew all along and are just dicking around...is a waste of our time, and is very insulting. So sorry you chose this path, but, oh well. :jointsmile: