UPS guy saw garden on deck...

So, I had a few plants growing out on my deck at my house and the stupid UPS guy came back there to deliver a package to my rear door and saw the plants! This is the kicker - he came through a LOCKED gate. We have two padlocked chain link fence type gates on either side of the yard and the one he came through can be pushed open (with enough force) even though it is locked. Anyway, we have a few more plants inside and now we are really nervous and wonder if we should get rid of them as well. We already got rid of the ones we had outside. UPS has never delivered packages to our rear door before, and like I said, the gate was locked so he either pushed his way through, or hopped the fence to get back there. I know he saw the plants as they are right by the door. I have now put a chain on the gate along with the padlock.

Advice?

Touchy situation, I would def scrap the girls outside since they were always be what I like to call "red alert". You can grow them as big and beautiful as you want but once you leave to work the ol UPS guy can just go right back. Either move them inside or scrap em. My neighbor saw me working inside my set cuz he was lurking through the window and the next day. Everryttthhiinnggggg was gone!:thumbsup:

Came through a locked fence onto your property? I'd go take pics of your fence and save them on your computer.......just in case. And move ur girls somewhere FAR more secure.....i dont grow anything anywhere near my personal property or near my residence for that matter.

And how many of his UPS buddies ya figure he told when he got back to his station at the end of the day? My guess,alot. From their standpoint..../..a nice jack move will net all profit and if their outside its even easier. What are ya gonna do,call the cops? Nope.

If you are going to grow, be ready to accept what happens. Its not the UPS guy's responsibility to notify anyone what he may or may not have seen, but with today's so-called conservatives and other aberrant political fringe groups and political types, people are now making themselves unofficial informers for the government. So, if you are going to grow, no matter where, be prepared to stand up for your true right to do so. :thumbsup:

Thanks for the replies! The one's we had out there are gone now - males anyway so no big loss - that's why they were out there to begin with. Our concern was what are the chances this dude would tell the cops what he saw? If he did, what then?

We don't really have any other place to put the girls we have inside and we hate to dump them at this point.

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Originally Posted by aws666

Thanks for the replies! The one's we had out there are gone now - males anyway so no big loss - that's why they were out there to begin with. Our concern was what are the chances this dude would tell the cops what he saw? If he did, what then?

We don't really have any other place to put the girls we have inside and we hate to dump them at this point.

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How much have the indoors ones developed? Hopefully they have bud on them. If I were you, I would harvest them. Then I would rent a mini storage, put the weed in the bottom of a box, and store it.

Seems it would be good to cut your losses at this point. Also the thought of the UPS guy ratting you out is of great concern. You need to do the things that will give you peace of mind. Then if the cops arrive at your door, you can tell them you don't know what they are talking about. Then if they search your home you will have no worries.

After that it may be good to lay low for a while. If the cops are informed, they will have interest in watching you for a while. They will get no where though because of what you have done. Then they will give up.

That's my thoughts. Main thing is, you need to do what will protect your family and home from these informers and cops. Only you can decide the final course of action. :hippy:

I'd worry way less about the UPS guy rattin you out to the cops and worry more that he will get his cousins to come back with handguns and rifles to see if you have profit $ on the inside of your house. He's delivering for UPS, not working managment....a little extra cash always sounds good to an oppurtunist. Or he's a normal dude and could care less or even noticed to begin with.

Still very wierd he jumped a locked backed fence.......ballsy.....shit would not fly where I live thats for sure.

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I'd worry way less about the UPS guy rattin you out to the cops and worry more that he will get his cousins to come back with handguns and rifles to see if you have profit $ on the inside of your house. He's delivering for UPS, not working managment....a little extra cash always sounds good to an oppurtunist. Or he's a normal dude and could care less or even noticed to begin with.

Still very wierd he jumped a locked backed fence.......ballsy.....shit would not fly where I live thats for sure.

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Believe me, I wanted to beat his ass - but what can I do...piss on him and he probably would say something. My first instinct was to call and bitch about it, but I thought better of it.

I'm really hoping that he is a normal dude and just went on about his business not even thinking of it. Still sucks that we have to worry about this now - stupid to put them outside, but who knew this would happen? They were on a back deck that's not viewable/accessible by any way unless you jump the fence or force your way in. :mad:

I would get everything out to a friends house asap. Saw something similar to this on another forum, 2 days later he had the police at his door with a search warrent. They found nothing becuase he moved it all to a friends house. This was law enforcement so no danger of them running up in his house with guns trying to rob him so if i were you id get rid of em for 2 weeks see if anything happens. Better to be safe than sorry ! Also the fact that your in america (im guessing) is worse as the punishment is real bad for growing, here we only get a slap on the wrist, no jail, nothing.

Good luck

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Originally Posted by Charbud

I would get everything out to a friends house asap. Saw something similar to this on another forum, 2 days later he had the police at his door with a search warrent. They found nothing becuase he moved it all to a friends house. This was law enforcement so no danger of them running up in his house with guns trying to rob him so if i were you id get rid of em for 2 weeks see if anything happens. Better to be safe than sorry ! Also the fact that your in america (im guessing) is worse as the punishment is real bad for growing, here we only get a slap on the wrist, no jail, nothing.

Good luck

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Could a search warrant be obtained through what a delivery guy may have seen? Keep in mind that he entered the property through/over a locked gate into our backyard...

Well probably not but one persons word is enough for the police to probe for other evidence. Even though he did trespass on your property the police would probably outrule it because of what he discovered. I would play it safe if i were you but the thing i would do before moving all of it is too call this guy up, im sure you would be able to find out who delivered your package on that day through ups. Call them up and make up a fake story as to why you need to contact the delivery guy who delivered on say wednesday or whateva. Get in contact with him, see what kidna guy he is, see if hes a grass or not and go from there. I mean not everyone is a snake, i certainly wouldnt report any grows to police and i know alot of other people wouldnt. AND another thing is he may just think your a medical grower and though nothing of it ! If you live in a MMJ state i dont know.

The cops can certainly get a search warrant with just one person saying so. Remeber you got to think of it as the government having a "war on drugs". Growing marijuana know matter how much you have is a felony is many places and felonies are no laughing matter. My cousin is a cop, he pulled a kid over that was on probation got him to snitch on where he bought it, long story short they picked up the guys garbage cans that night and found baggies in it. Bam multiple feloniy arrest, cops names in the paper and another battle won against the war on drugs. Its took 6 hours from the point the cop pulled the kid over to the drug dealers getting arrested. Since I did work at ups I know that the driver for them aren't usually too young. Atleast over the age of running through someones house for pot. Atleast where I live they make close to 30 bucks an hour? I'm sure he could buy it if he wanted to. try and keep a close eye on around your house for snooping and wandring eyes and hopefully your good to go.

If you live in a state that has medical marijuana laws, and you are a valid patient, then I wouldn't really worry to much about it...unless your law enforcement are feds in disguise...

Now I would worry about ups buddies coming back some other time to rob ya...tis how things generally work in america..

Picking between these two-evils is obvious...one is a way out card...the other is not.

Choices are ours to pick...be prudent.

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Originally Posted by Charbud

I would get everything out to a friends house asap. Saw something similar to this on another forum, 2 days later he had the police at his door with a search warrent. They found nothing becuase he moved it all to a friends house. This was law enforcement so no danger of them running up in his house with guns trying to rob him so if i were you id get rid of em for 2 weeks see if anything happens. Better to be safe than sorry ! Also the fact that your in america (im guessing) is worse as the punishment is real bad for growing, here we only get a slap on the wrist, no jail, nothing.

Good luck

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i agree 100%,something kindda like this happened to me.but it was my brother,he came over to my house 1 nite as i was walking out from my shed in the back.he caught a bit of the light as i was coming out.he's not dumb cause thats all he hangs with somewhat through out his life.he started coming over and asking for money all the time cause he is a bum and a thief.once i cut him off and said i can't help ya no more.next week or so he went out and robbed a house and was on the run.he told the police that he lived at my house in the back shed.basicly he tried to set me up so they would come looking for him in my shed.he was on the phone with em and was telling them he was back there.so they come to my house demanding to go back and get him.needless to say back when i told him no more he broke in my grow 1 nite and stole half my plants.so next day when i found out i moved everything to a friends house.week later 3 counties worth of police show up at my house.im glad i listened to my gut or i'd still be in prison right now lmao.

bottom line is there are'nt many people out in the world now that mind their own damn biz.most are ass kissers and look to gain points.then you have the thiefs that will tell their friends to come hit ya.

i say move it all and if ya rent look for another place to move.if ya own try to find a cheap place to use to grow in...

All the cops need to do after someone informs them is come with a search warrant saying someone "smelled" something and they are in. They dont need physical evidence.

My purple diesel grow was harvested in front of a cop. He is my best friend but it was still a bit strange. He came to town the day of harvest and he lives a 6 hour drive away. I had to let him in. He knows I have my license but it was still a bit strange. In the area I live at cops could care less, unless it seriosly looks like you are making money. Then you are in trouble.
If you walk around town there you can see plants in backyards all the time.

I would be scared if the ups guy saw it. What is scary is the fact of getting ripped off. We have a big problem of people ripping off grows in my area. You have to be beeped into the hydro stores.


I hope mr. ups is honest

...suggested moving your crop, at least indoors. I would be very wary of a UPS driver that went to all that trouble to get into your backyard.

I have worked as a courier, and NONE of the guys I worked with would have gone to such lengths to enter someone's back yard. They would have left the parcel up front (out of sight if possible), or left one of those little notice thingies that says where to call to arrange another delivery, or to pick it up.

The fact that he basically committed 'breaking and entering', by the legal definition, suggests to me that he was using his job as a means to scout out or 'case' places, your house being one of 'em. Move /all/ your plants, if you can. Now. If nothing happens in 2mo, I might think about moving 'em back, but don't keep any on the deck if you can avoid it.

And, if you have the means, install some hidden cameras, preferably ones that work in darkness and that record their video to somewhere secret in the house, or perhaps offsite. You might be surprised at who shows up...

[GVIDEO][/GVIDEO]Thats some crazy shit, but I'll tell you this, it's better to have control of the outcome, than waiting for solid signs to let you know something Is wrong. In otherwords, if you move your meds and cops knock on your door the next day- you'd swipe the sweat of your forehead for having thought ahead. Good luck though and shit, I hope nothing bad happens- but what does hope do- most certainly doesn't keep us out of jail, who would care for our families?!


Peace

I found this topic and its now a few months later but for future references.

UPS, and even Fed Ex workers have a rule called 3rd party disclosures.

Basically whatever you see at a customers house is none of your business and is not to be talked about.

Now of course there are those that will "gossip"..

but most big companies would like to avoid the stigma that their company would spy on their customers.

If nothing else call into the local UPS office a few days later and give vague information about drivers pushing thru locked gates and snooping around your property.

When you order stuff that will be delivered in the "notes box" put in message such as... deliver to front door only... or vicious dogs in back yard..

Hopefully all went well for you

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i agree 100%,something kindda like this happened to me.but it was my brother,he came over to my house 1 nite as i was walking out from my shed in the back.he caught a bit of the light as i was coming out.he's not dumb cause thats all he hangs with somewhat through out his life.he started coming over and asking for money all the time cause he is a bum and a thief.once i cut him off and said i can't help ya no more.next week or so he went out and robbed a house and was on the run.he told the police that he lived at my house in the back shed.basicly he tried to set me up so they would come looking for him in my shed.he was on the phone with em and was telling them he was back there.so they come to my house demanding to go back and get him.needless to say back when i told him no more he broke in my grow 1 nite and stole half my plants.so next day when i found out i moved everything to a friends house.week later 3 counties worth of police show up at my house.im glad i listened to my gut or i'd still be in prison right now lmao.

bottom line is there are'nt many people out in the world now that mind their own damn biz.most are ass kissers and look to gain points.then you have the thiefs that will tell their friends to come hit ya.

i say move it all and if ya rent look for another place to move.if ya own try to find a cheap place to use to grow in...

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always go with your instinct.. it almost never fails you. If you have to think for a second that you seriously need to move your stash or grow you do it.. could being safe hurt you??? It takes a little extra work but we have to remember this is a WAR and we are on the other end of it. We have to be militant about it.. hahahaha.. seriously we have to always be a step or two ahead of Law enforcement...

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[GVIDEO][/GVIDEO]Thats some crazy shit, but I'll tell you this, it's better to have control of the outcome, than waiting for solid signs to let you know something Is wrong. In otherwords, if you move your meds and cops knock on your door the next day- you'd swipe the sweat of your forehead for having thought ahead. Good luck though and shit, I hope nothing bad happens- but what does hope do- most certainly doesn't keep us out of jail, who would care for our families?!


Peace

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always plan ahead

Yea, the other day Smud dude came to look at my new a/c unit for what ever reason. I escorted him to my unit and he looked at it. Turned around and says,"Your Good" I then walked him back to my patio where he says..."GEEZ" and just kept walking. Im leagle but still, the ol timer could always jump a fence:wtf:

Time to sleep in the back yard:stoned:

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Yea, the other day Smud dude came to look at my new a/c unit for what ever reason. I escorted him to my unit and he looked at it. Turned around and says,"Your Good" I then walked him back to my patio where he says..."GEEZ" and just kept walking. Im leagle but still, the ol timer could always jump a fence:wtf:

Time to sleep in the back yard

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:stoned: hahaha!!

I AM a UPS Driver! :jointsmile: Not the one in question, as I doubt a home grower where I deliver would be so paranoid. I'm actually good friends with several grower's and warehouse grows in my delivery area, and have had several ask for strains from MY garden! :rastasmoke:

Yes, there is always some risk when growing outdoors that "Someone" will see your plants, and then there's the security risks that "Someone" knows they are there, but I wouldn't be too worried about the driver coming back with his buddys. Times are tough that's for sure,... but we make 80k,.... so he's not hurting for what little scratch stealing some weed would garner him. UPS's policy concerning what we do at home is its none of their business, but they'll gladly fire him if he's caught in possession of weed (in NonMMJ states) even off duty! They'd use "Possession" as grounds for testing, and it's 0 tolerance.

Not a risk I'd even ponder for a second, Nor would I grow if I weren't in an MMJ state. (note I said grow, the wife has her card, I don't smoke since I like my job)


As far as him reporting it,... I saw it posted above,... his managers wouldn't give a shit about it, nor would anything be filed by UPS to the police. The driver would have to do that himself, and provide reasonable proof for the report before they could move on you. (tho admitting to pushing open a locked gate would gig him for trespass)


Tighten down security for sure,.... but take a pill. It's not likely anything will come from it. We see all kinds of screwball shit on our routes,... odds are he already knew you were growing.

well im glad you won't get in trouble because of that none of your business clause, but i must say thats not a good spot to be growing; at least not right now while marijuana is illegal....look at this father and son who got caught and they had their grow in a different property.


Father and Son busted

Shyte like this is all the more reason to vote yes on Prop 19.

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Shyte like this is all the more reason to vote yes on Prop 19.

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Let me clarify this by saying that I mean it's just total BS that someone should have to be afraid of delivery persons and other legitimate visitors seeing their plants. We need Prop 19 to take the fear out of mmj. Make it mainstream and legal and within a few years nobody will think any more of it than see your tomato plants.

Nothing against the UPS dude.

Sounds to me like the issue with the father and Son getting busted was more about the firearms and ammo by a person prohibited.....cops don't like that shit....prolly would have overlooked some of the marijuana stuff if it wasn't for all the guns.

Get a package delivered by UPS, then short-circuit the fence as he tries to go over.

So I see several months have passed and I don't see any replys from the original poster... Anyone have an update on this?

canniwhatsis makes sense ups is a buisness and they value their costumer, packaged contents it's a thing. But what grows in your back yard they could not care less. it's up to the ups guy to either steal your plants or report you! But illegal growing will require you to move locations from time to time . So start looking a pick a good one!!!!

Even if your legal.. Don't tell! Don't show! There are always theives that don't care wheather or not your legal! All they want are Ill gotten gains! Then a bullet in the head for Robbery!

Ga.

:thumbsup: good advice Also you can install a security cam to see if the ups guy comes back!