gram vs ounce

I'm a science person, so I work exclusively in metric. On the street an ounce is well know as 28.0 grams, when in reality one ounce is 28.3495 grams.

most mass limits for the folks here is 6 ounces. 6 x 28.3495 = 170.097. On the street this is 6 oz x 28 g = 168g. This is only a difference of .3495 of a gram, which is enough to roll a nice fat joint. At 6 ounce with the true metric conversion, a gain of 2 grams are gained, about 6 fat joints.

Now I have two questions about this.

If you are stopped with 170.097g(which is an exact US ounce, actually 28.3495231g = 1 oz, so 170.097g is still under 1 oz), but you are taken in anyway because everyone has been conditioned to the 28 ounces is one gram, its not. Could a case be made in court about this.

The second questions is, should the producers of legal cannabis continue to use false measures created by street dealers or should they calculate by a real US ounce

Interesting take on weights-and-measures, mon, and I believe that it would stand up in court, even if no-one has done it before. You may have to bring in scientifically cite-able sources for conversions/quantities, but I can see someone's defense lawyer having a field day with this :)

I have always kinda looked at it as a pound being 454g, but broken down into 'eighths', racks up to 448, with the six 'missing' grams being a bonus one gets from buying mass quantities. Not that I've ever looked at it this way, myself, I mean, but I've had some interesting friends ;)

I would have to say I would DEMAND my product be weighed using TROY ounces..now that's a couple of extra sticks per bag eh?

Street lore or not, you need a very good calibrated scale..calibrated by weights and measures to get down to this level of precision..and if LO decides to give your bag a couple of squirts with an atomizer, it's all going to be a moot point anyway.

"Your honor..at the time the evidence was weighed the relative humidity was t 92%..since it's at 58% today, the weight is no longer accurate and we ask that you go with the weight of the material when the evidence was first weighed"

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Originally Posted by WestMesa

If you are stopped with 170.097g(which is an exact US ounce, actually 28.3495231g = 1 oz, so 170.097g is still under 1 oz), but you are taken in anyway because everyone has been conditioned to the 28 ounces is one gram, its not. Could a case be made in court about this.

The second questions is, should the producers of legal cannabis continue to use false measures created by street dealers or should they calculate by a real US ounce

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First off welcome to the boards.:jointsmile:

Secondly, is it just me, or is your math a lil' retarded for someone who is "science" minded. I can't figure out what measurement should have been attached to each number??:wtf:

Thirdly, sometimes shit is just done the way it's done because it's the way it's done and it's how it's always been done. Who's got a digi at home that measures to the millionth of a gram? Not to mention those who live by the triple beam.

I can appreciate random meaningless thought at times, but I couldn't help but but in here, so pardon me. No offense intended but I felt retarded knowing people were responding to that like it made sense and I didn't get it.

Peace love and dope

law in cal is 28.5 grams, then you get in trouble and not just a ticket. (for those without a license)
If it comes down to court. That is what they do.

I very much doubt that the law courts would be at all interested in your measurements since they would most certainly weigh it using thier own equipment.

I once got cought smoking hash and I told the police my license was at home. They let me go. I guess there is cool police and uncool ones. I have never had a prob with police in my area. I like them. I worry about people robbing my home.

Note: I do agree with you though

around here for every gram I buy the city makes a buck or two.

the math is correct, but I did write "everyone has been conditioned to the 28 ounces is one gram". Of course it should be the other way around, but anyone with some common sense would understand the error.

I am a science teacher, and my math is not retarded. Learn some tact, you could have addressed the issue with a little more maturity.

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Originally Posted by WestMesa

I'm a science person, so I work exclusively in metric. On the street an ounce is well know as 28.0 grams, when in reality one ounce is 28.3495 grams.

most mass limits for the folks here is 6 ounces. 6 x 28.3495 = 170.097. On the street this is 6 oz x 28 g = 168g. This is only a difference of .3495 of a gram, which is enough to roll a nice fat joint. At 6 ounce with the true metric conversion, a gain of 2 grams are gained, about 6 fat joints.

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This makes perfect sense.

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If you are stopped with 170.097g(which is an exact US ounce, actually 28.3495231g = 1 oz, so 170.097g is still under 1 oz),

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Confusing would be putting it tactfully enough for you? I will start buying my 170g ounces from you then. I should excuse the confusing grammar since you were a science teacher not an English teacher. Don't scientists proofread?

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28 ounces is one gram

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You already addressed this.

Next time I won't start my post welcoming you to the boards. I meant zero offense, I RARELY do. I spend most of my time helping people out here. If you are gonna be around for any time, you may want to thicken your skin a tad. It's a harsh, critical, expectation filled world outside your classroom. People can talk back to you here. Write my name on the board if you want, I was simply poking fun, one with any spine would have laughed it off and agreed, or possibly chalked it up to being stoned. Either way...

Again, welcome to the boards.

I have over 20 years in the service, got my card because of PTSD. Went to college with the VA money. Only been a teacher for 5 years.

Thick skin. You come off saying things like retarded as a derogatory term. Now if there is one thing I do know as a high school teacher, that retarded term is used on a regular basis by my 15 year old students.

So are you real young, or do you just like to communicate that way.

Westmesa it doesn't matter who you are or where you have been or what disorder you happen to have, this is still crappy math

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....so 170.097g is still under 1 oz

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Seems to be alot of heat in this discussion......I got an idea.....how about you just smoke it? Or vape it...eat it......whatever.....just get yourself to a point to where you dont't give a shit about math or someone being ignorant or simple-minded.......Isn't that what we are fighting for? If you have enough to sit there and weigh it out gram by gram.....just blaze yourself stupid and forget there was ever a system of measurements in the first place.

There really wasn't any math. Just conversion factors. One factor was the street mass. 1 oz = 28 grams or a true or the true conversion factor which is 1 oz = 28.3495.

I do see my error now. My intention was to say 170.097 grams is still under 6 oz, the max amount I'm allowed to have. The second paragraph shows how I got the 170.097 gram figure.

sorry for the confusion.

What does it matter if you take away your welcome, why even mention it. I don't understand statements like that.

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Originally Posted by WestMesa

I have over 20 years in the service, got my card because of PTSD. Went to college with the VA money. Only been a teacher for 5 years.

Thick skin. You come off saying things like retarded as a derogatory term. Now if there is one thing I do know as a high school teacher, that retarded term is used on a regular basis by my 15 year old students.

So are you real young, or do you just like to communicate that way.

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Thanks for educating me at least on weghts and measures as I have dyscaculia which is a math learning disorder.Now I will know once I relocate to New Mexico and receive my card what to look out for but how should I deal with the provider?I do have a small scale that registers both standard and metric should I challene them right then and there when picking up my medicine?I would also like to thank you for your service I also have PTSD as one of my conditions but not service related just my (egg beaeter)Mother abusing me I still have a bullet that is by my spine which strain would you recommend?

Just a suggestion Washeout......but I don't recommend challenging ANYTHING with a NM producer.....you are gonna be lucky to even get any in the first place when you get here. No disrespect, but honestly, us NM residents are LUCKY to get what we get....I've been a card holder for 3 months and have yet to have a hit of the kind.

...I kinda figg'rd that you meant 170.???gm is a whisker less than 6 true ounces. Besides that, it could still be a dodge in court, if one were caught travelling with just that amount, or just under.

UP in my neck 'o the woods, I can travel with up to 90g on my person at any given time (my monthly 'allotment'), and I can have up to 675g as a 'personal' stash at home. Nice thing about the travel bit is that I can legally FLY with the stuph! Hello, airport dickheads! See the nice card? Now leave me alone ;) I don't want to test that theory on most international flights, but I might, to places that have similar MMJ laws :)

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Originally Posted by firestartersydd

Just a suggestion Washeout......but I don't recommend challenging ANYTHING with a NM producer.....you are gonna be lucky to even get any in the first place when you get here. No disrespect, but honestly, us NM residents are LUCKY to get what we get....I've been a card holder for 3 months and have yet to have a hit of the kind.

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Thank you very much I feel like I am back taking baby steps and all but at least the system is doing something in NM.Where as is Washington you are left out because the way the law was and is structured.No providers and the 3 Docs that we have charge you 400 smackaroos and still no cards are issued and the state refuses to set up a card system because it's not written in the law.

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Originally Posted by firestartersydd

Just a suggestion Washeout......but I don't recommend challenging ANYTHING with a NM producer.....you are gonna be lucky to even get any in the first place when you get here. No disrespect, but honestly, us NM residents are LUCKY to get what we get....I've been a card holder for 3 months and have yet to have a hit of the kind.

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Thank you very much I feel like I am back taking baby steps and all but at least the system is doing something in NM.Where as is Washington you are left out because the way the law was and is structured.No providers and the 3 Docs that we have charge you 400 smackaroos and still no cards are issued and the state refuses to set up a card system because it's not written in the law.

Washedout, like firestartersydd stated, don't challenge the mass of the product. 28 grams an ounce won't change, its what the system is based on.

My thread was just in jest, showing the difference and wondering if the difference could be fought in court. One poster stated that California law uses 28.5 grams as the limit for an ounce.

Sorry for any crap I said, and for starting such a confusing thread.

I'm going to smoke a bowl and crash.

irydyum, sorry, I never stay mad at anyone for long. I should have toned down my initial response.

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Originally Posted by WestMesa

My thread was just in jest

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As was my response, because I thought the whole thing was in jest. I'm always too high to be mad, next time I talk to you it'll be much less sarcastic..... hopefully:D

Sorry for the double post as site was doing maintence,my posting must have hit a gltch somewhere.

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Originally Posted by patient4200

I would have to say I would DEMAND my product be weighed using TROY ounces..now that's a couple of extra sticks per bag eh?

Street lore or not, you need a very good calibrated scale..calibrated by weights and measures to get down to this level of precision..and if LO decides to give your bag a couple of squirts with an atomizer, it's all going to be a moot point anyway.

"Your honor..at the time the evidence was weighed the relative humidity was t 92%..since it's at 58% today, the weight is no longer accurate and we ask that you go with the weight of the material when the evidence was first weighed"

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Have any of you who have bought from a dispensary seen a scale? Is the product in cases, premeasured and packaged?

If you did see a scale, did it have a calibration sticker from the Department of Weights and Measure?

Seems to me it would be proper for their scales to be calibrated and checked by the proper authority. After all, this is not like buying produce from the market. This is a much more valuable commodity than bananas. When you buy fuel for your car, you see a calibration sticker on the pump. This needs to be done for the measuring devices used by the dispensaries.

Perhaps this should be brought up in the next meeting of the MMJ board. :hippy:

The weights and measures are irrelevant as each is clearly defined, if a law states "x ounces" is illegal or "x grammes" is, then they will certainly weigh it using the measure used in the law.

The only way you could possibly challenge it would be if the weights and measures used required a conversion, this would be highly unlikely .

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Originally Posted by psychocat

The weights and measures are irrelevant as each is clearly defined, if a law states "x ounces" is illegal or "x grammes" is, then they will certainly weigh it using the measure used in the law.

The only way you could possibly challenge it would be if the weights and measures used required a conversion, this would be highly unlikely .

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How can they be irrelevant if they are defined? Being defined would seem to say they are quite relevant. The measure is what they will use for sentencing guidelines.

Perhaps I misunderstand your meaning. :stoned:

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Originally Posted by pepurr

The measure is what they will use for sentencing guidelines.

Perhaps I misunderstand your meaning. :stoned:

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And therefore they will use equipment calibrated to that measure.
If the law states so many ounces they will measure using equipment calibrated to measure ounces and not grammes.

In this day and age of technological design most good scales will switch from one measure to another at the push of a button, I myself have scales suitable for 4 different measures.

The type of measure is only relevant if it must be converted, but once again the standard is set so a conversion would be a very simple equation.

x amount of grammes being equal to x amount of ounces and visa versa.

We need to return to the only measure that makes sense.......the LID.

...the most 'colloquial' measurement from the psychadelic 70's! Actually, earlier, but it was last in the 70s one heard it commonly. Correctly refers to an approximate 1/8oz of our favourite 'erb, measured from the lid of the Prince Albert tobacco can one was carrying an Oz in...

See The Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers from Rip-Off Press for many excellent examples of the usage of this term :) Will also make ya laugh yer ballsack off [for the ladies unfortunate enough to read this vulgarity, substitute the word 'vulva' for 'ballsack']

"Dope will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no dope" -FFFB