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Doing the job the Feds wont.
Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill
A response to the Feds failure on immigration.....im sure it will be challenged in court due to the "supremecy clause"......but Article IV section 4 of the Constitution says the US will garauntee each state a republican form of Govt. & protect it from invasion and domestic violence. Sounds like a fun legal case to follow. Texas should follow suit.
quite the topic...scares the hell out of politicians.
There is a lot of ways to look at it. News coverage on this is generally filled with inflaming content. I was watching PBS just now and from what i understand no case will go to court before mid july. This is going to be debated for a very long time. Since the US is a better place to seek employment than most south american countries (something that US companies have been profiting on for decades) why demonize the ppl who are in the us illegally. i do think it would be good for there to be no illegals in the us. i just get aggravated when ppl start complaining about the economic ramifications without recognizing that the money flow was to american bussiness from american tax payers, not an accident. sry for the long rambling post:stoned:
i find it funny when people like obama and friends call it racial profiling.um just for those who need a history check it is the mexicans that are illegal when they cross over in america. you can't really go to a white or black person and ask hey are you sure you're not from mexico?come on cut the bullshit ya bunch of fuckheads. this has been long overdue anyone that is for illegals in america cannot be for you're family and other legal americans.most illegals come over here rape rob and steal,then take jobs and btw for anyone that does'nt know they also send most of the money they make back to mexico.thats taking money out of our country.the fact is they don't come to america to help better america or help build it they come here to take from it.now sure im sure there might be a slect few that come here that are good people but not most.
for every illegal that comes here for work is 1 less job for the american people.now im sure there are some in america that says hey they are just taking the shit jobs no one wants.to that i say bullshit it's the illegals that make those jobs shit.they come in and lower the whole pay scale for everyone else only because they will do it for alot less.you would think with all the mexican pride they all have they would be happy in their own country?
i mean it does'nt make sense, man homes im mexican viva mexico well everyone but us mexicans.....
Any Americans worried about illegals taking their job, I have a suggestion from them.. Go get a GED!!
oops, for them haha, ironyQuote:
Originally Posted by RedLocks
Was thinking about this and realized this was somewhat unfair of mi to say. The inability to perform simple mathematics isn't always the problem, some people are so stupid no amount of education will sink in. Other than that, some more suggestions would be, stop being so lazy, and many times fat and lazy and stop abusing drugs and alcohol.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedLocks
Over the years, these have all been the top reasons I've seen why Americans got fired or just never came back after the first couple of days, some lasted a week or two but always, the type of people who wish to fill a job position that a illegal immigrant is able to fill with little or no understanding of the English language, all were guilty of one or more of the before mentioned problems.
What is most upsetting about this is that the Fed doesn't like what they are doing in AZ, if they were serious about protecting the USA they would applaud. It is showing them as complacent in their duty to protect the borders. What is it about "illegal" that these idiots don't understand. These are not immigrants, they are ILLEGAL ALIENS. And why is the Mexican government so upset about our desire to protect against their people coming over? Just insane.
My wife saw most of her family die and had to sit in a refugee camp for a year before being allowed entry. Then there was a long wait to become a citizen. Why should it be any different for any of these people in Mexico? If they want entry, go the way everyone else has to.
How does anyone support this? They are making it illegal for immigrants to walk around without their immigration documents on them. With this law, if a LEGAL immigrant gets stopped by the police and does not have his documents on him, he can be arrested. I imagine most people on this forum would not appreciate being arrested simply for walking down a street while not having their drivers license on them.
This certainly sounds like it will promote civil liberties in this country, I tell you what. This is simply making it much easier for the government harass legal immigrants, not simply the illegal ones.
By the way, what the fuck happened to, "Give me your tired, your poor,. Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free."
Yeah there is going to be a shitload of lawsuits over this and the insurance company won't pickup the tab, the tax payers will have to.
Yeah dude I was just thinking about this shit while I was watching the news.. Reminds mi of Columbia, where you have to walk around with proof that you have serve d in the military already or be thrown into a military truck and join the army there and then..Quote:
Originally Posted by JaggedEdge
Just recently an old, long time rancher near the border was murdered by what was probably a drug mule. What makes it even worst, Mr Krentz could only walk with the use of a cane due to a recent hip replacement. He was a sweet and gentle man, who had helped illegals before, providing them with water and even food. His last radio communication to his son, was that he thought he saw someone in distress and was going to check them out and see if they needed any help. He was not a confrontational sort at all, and was more concerned with helping the unfortunate....legal or illegal.
This story was picked up by the NY Times on April 5th.
Knowing people in that area, and having visted there, you would not believe the amount of garbage that is left along the trails of what used to be a beautifull area. After that murder, and the amount of crime and crap the border communities have put up with, virtually every man, women and even children are packing guns! It is not right for them to have to live like that.
If the federal government won't protect the border the state should. That is far better then the people themselves taking the matter into thier own hands. :twocents:
so from the looks of it you are calling mexicans dumb asses?hummm:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by RedLocks
i guess i'll have to spell it out since alot of people like to look at the small picture.
the reason the feds have never done anything to protect our boarders mainly mexico.is because that would cut off the real money making going on that the cia is balls deep into.being that the mexican boarder is the main entry point for drugs that are flown into mexico from around the world.can we say afganistan poppy fields? can we say reason why the us is in war and the reason they are over there now?:cool:
yea im thinking i should go to mexico and then come back as an illegal so i can cash in on america too? i don't get how people in america kiss every other country's ass and it's people yet treat our own like shit.:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by killerweed420
Only if your reading comprehension is at a Kindergarten level... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by palerider7777
not everyone is cut out for the white collar life. not all of us blue collar slobs are drooling morons, condemned by our stupidity to a life of substandard wages. some of us choose the trades over an office cubicle because this is what we do best and enjoy most. i've watched as the construction industry has been taken over by predominantly hispanic crews that refuse to allow a white boy to even get a foot in the door. i've watched as entry level jobs became permanently occupied by folks who can't form a coherent sentence in the english language. i've watched as young men and women were refused employment because menial jobs in the service industries, where many of them used to be employed, were taken by a flood of illegal immigrants.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedLocks
the simple fact is that this nation's first responsibility is to its citizens. their welfare and employment takes precedence over caring for our neighbors' poor, no matter what you may think of their choice of occupation.
I'm not saying any different. I've been doing Construction since age 16, I do mainly outdoor masonry, cement, retaining walls, pavers, etcetc. I'm just saying, over the past years I have seen plenty of white boys come in, and quickly go out because they were totally useless and all had one or more of the problems that I mentioned. Maybe if their forman wasn't such a dick and dealt better with idiots they would have lasted longer :DQuote:
Originally Posted by delusionsofNORMALity
I'm sure some other industries besides mine there is a problem where worthwhile citizens can't get work because of the problem with illegal immigrants. So again I am probably being unfair, it could possibly only be my profession that the Americans trying to get the jobs would still be unemployable if a virus swept the world and killed all Latinos :D
You seem to imply the influx of illegal immigrants is they only reason they are working jobs Americans want. Have you ever considered the minimum wage could be a major contributing factor in this as well? If we eliminated the minimum wage, American citizens who desperately need work would be able to compete with the mexicans who are willing to work for less than minimum wage. As it stands now, if you are a legal citizen, no matter how inefficient an employee you are, the company has to pay at least $7.25/hr.Quote:
Originally Posted by delusionsofNORMALity
All throughout American history, the newest immigrants have been despised. We hated the Italians, Jews, Asians, Blacks, etc at some point in our history because "they were destroying our nation."
Regardless, one solution is to eliminate minimum wage, this way legal citizens can compete for the jobs without infringing on another's liberties.
Here is a story from Arizona showing how HUNDREDS of Americans showed up and got off unemployment by getting jobs left vacant by illegals.
Hundreds seek to fill vacant positions at Pro's Ranch Market | Phoenix News | Arizona News | azfamily.com | Arizona News
this isn't about immigrants, it is about illegal immigrants. there will always be a certain segment of society that harbors an irrational bias concerning newcomers, but the vast majority realize we are a nation of immigrants from all over the world. there is a series of hoops to jump through to gain the benefits of u.s. citizenship and those who feel entitled to by-pass them should be despised.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaggedEdge
A lady who works with my wife just got her citizenship after immigrating from Pakistan about 6 years ago......she has her "diploma" and a flag on her office wall, wife said she wept for 2 days when she became a citizen. My wife's family immigrated LEGALLY from Mexico in 1985, took em about 3 years of hard work to become citizens.....and from their own mouths it was worth every second. They curse the border security and rampant illegal problem we have here, and they are Mexicans.....said its embarrassing.
It is kinda ironic watching these lefty open borders folks throw rocks and attack police officers when we have been listening to the media whine and cry about how "dangerous" the tea party is. Yea.......ok.
that's ironic to you? lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Islandborn
Forgot to address this, yes I have seen plenty of this, in fact I guess i am guilty of perpetuating this phenomenon. Never been a problem I ran into though, well people have tried to chase me away, until they found out I could be their worse nightmare. I am rather talented when it comes to talking shit in several languages haha :D Got in a couple of fights, one fight got me my own crew at a new company, another fight just ended up in the lil midget being all buddy buddy with me from here on out.Quote:
Originally Posted by delusionsofNORMALity
It always seems the dude that is 5 feet tall is the most confrontational, throwing Mexicans is fun :thumbsup:
I would almost pay to be dealing with this shit right now instead of what I am doing for cash now, another couple of months and hopefully I can get shit back to normal..
I love it. This new law of yours will sure help.....The democrats.
Take an entire race and make it legal to stop them and ask for their papers. How positively Nazi of you. Those illegals must be quite the threat. Look back at MLK day. How much did that cost you until you realised how foolish you were?
Do you think this is a winner? Say goodbye to Spring League Baseball. Say goodbye to a lot of tourist dollars that will skip your state. And say goodbye to an entire race of VOTERS across this country. Oh and I hope you can live with the loss of all convention business. And I kiss the Superbowl goodbye too.
In all those illegals I'm sure there are some legals. They will love to be harassesed every day. Good bet after you drive those taxpayers out of state
and empty all those houses, your merchants and Real Estate agent will have a lot of unsold inventory out there. But thats OK. I'm sure AZ doesn't have a recession going on like the rest of the country.
Do you even read the laws you pass? There is a clause in the law that enables a private citizen to sue any official they think is not doing their part to keep the Brown Mennace at bay. I am sure you have lots of money to defend youselves from those lawsuits. Because win or lose you (the pure white) taxpayers will pay.
Yes, but this law will infringe on the rights of legal immigrants. There is also no reason there should be so many hoops to jump through. Do a quick background check and allow people entrance into this country. The only reason our immigration is so inefficient is because it is run by the government.Quote:
Originally Posted by delusionsofNORMALity
Also, a solution for the violence would be to legalize drugs, that would limit how many violent mexicans are crossing the border because of the drug trade. We can improve this situation without infringing on the rights of other people.
Why don't we just make the legal Mexicans where a "special armband?" You know, so we all know they are legal and won't be harassed.
This is one more step in the direction of a police state Arizona.
I must say i was pretty stoked to hear this. I was listening to "the box" local rap station this morning and of course 80% of the people that called in were talking shit on the idea. And the stupid dj kep saying. It's now illegal to be illegal in AZ. DO YOU HEAR THE FIRST WORD IN ILLEGAL IMMIGERANT. FCK. lol:jointsmile: But anyways, Im hopn it comes to TX, it's sad 5 yrs ago i refused to learn spanish and went out of my to do so. Now im about to go learn it b/c i have to, to be more functional in society. They already do it down here anyways, it's just not legal and doesnt get brought up. :cool:
Good idea! Here's a rough sketch, tell d I what you think..Quote:
Originally Posted by JaggedEdge
ummmmm, I bet money NOBODY has even read the bill. Everyone is clearly aware that its ALREADY law that if your a legal immigrant you are required by law to carry your papers correct? For years.
A carefully crafted immigration law in Arizona | Washington Examiner
I love the Nazi comments coming from the usual suspects of Big Government supporters though, typical M.O.. Shit.......3 years ago the wife and I drove all over Mexico and were stopped prolly 20 times at checkpoints and forced to get outta the car and show our papers, in mexico. Get over it.
Perhaps the Mexican Government should stop printing maps on how to enter this country illegally.....
In Germany under the Nazi's......JEWS were NOT allowed to leave Germany.
A country made by immigrants not allowing immigrants.
Who would those usual suspect be that are supporters of big government may I ask?Quote:
Originally Posted by Islandborn
(making a prediction right now)
I wasn't aware that for years it was illegal for the Police to not stop anyone who isn't pink skinned and make them prove their legality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Islandborn
hey, anyone think this would be a way cool forum avatar?
really? well let me break down what you said since you seem to be the one in 1st grade.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedLocks
in this quote you say go get a ged to anyone that fears their jobs would be taken by illegals.i mean i know you were trying to be a smart ass in response to what i said b4 that. but if i needed to go get a ged to keep said job then that would mean that the person the "illegal" in this case had to be a dum dum.cause in the context that you used "go get a ged" you were implying that you would have to be a dummy to loose your job to an illegal.hummmQuote:
Originally Posted by RedLocks
no matter how hard you try, sometimes you just can't fix stupid...Quote:
Originally Posted by delusionsofNORMALity
Unfortunately that isn't the quote you initially addressed making your whole reply here a waste of your and my time in my humble opinion. Although, my original post may have appeared that I was trying to be a smart ass, I feel certain my follow up clarification cleared that up explaining exactly why I think the Americans I don't work with are unfit to hold the position their non-English speaking counter parts fill, and they fill said positions with many times the proficiency that most Americans can. Of course there are always the exception since I was born here and have neve been anything except a laborer, and I think DelusionsOfNormality implied he was in a field of work similar to my regular employment.Quote:
Originally Posted by palerider7777
BUZZZZ..... Wrong answer. Durring the period between 1934 and 1937 Jews were leaving Germany in droves. The problem was that there were very few countries willing to take them. My uncle was one of them. Know what you are talking about. Not that I care, but you are just showing ignorance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Islandborn
And yes I read the bill. What a clusterf##k. AZ stands to lose billions of dollars. Sometimes it takes a good kick in the wallet to bring people to their senses.
I believe the nutjobs goal was to have Obama and the Fedral Govt get involved in this. You need to keep the nutjobs fired up. Their memory is as bad as mine after a few joints. After all, this would rile their base up. And I do not think he is that stupid. He will just step back and let AZ sleep in their own bed. After they lose enough money they will come to their senses. And kick another state into the Democrat camp.
Oh yes, The Washington Examiner is not a source. It is nutjob porn. Get a real source.
One last thing. This is a MMJ board. I haven't been here that long but I have seen no mention of that particular subject from our resident nutjob. In my time here (not that long) all I have seen from him is propaganda from The Washington Examiner.
Yeah man, it's hilarious..Quote:
Originally Posted by jtsik330
If you were directing that at me, I'm an Anarcho-capitalist. So, being a fan of BG is not exactly in my M.O. Sorry to disappoint, but not everyone who disagrees with statist actions by the right are liberals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Islandborn