3rd time.. would love input!

hey i def wanna hear a lot of advice and constructive criticism on how to make my ladies better so def any input is appreciated
4X4X7 tent... carbon filter hooked to outtake fan.... port in the bottom of the tent for the negative intake...regular fan inside not blowing directly on plants 400W HPS using happy frog soil, and then transplanting into fox farm ocean forest soil... also using the foxfarm trio BB,GB,TB. temps with light on right around 74-78F. with the light off it is about 59-62F. I def need some help, this is my third time but first trying nutes and the tent... I have a ph meter on the way so i will update that info when i can... but the problem is that some of the plants, about 4 nodes down, the fan leaves are starting to get brown and crispy for some reason {if you know let me know :thumbsup: and then some of the leaves are just brown and dont have the rigid leaf pattern... Right now I only have one that I have started with the Foxfarm week 1 feeding schedule/chart... I have my mix at 50% strength {I intend to keep all of their recommended strength be reduced to 50% throughout, just because im not sure if you are supposed to feed them full strength at any point or not, so input here would def be awesome}
Most of the other plants are about to be in week 1 Veg. soon, but again if someone disagrees let me know I AM GOING TO ADD PICS SO CHECK THEM OUT AND DEF COMMENT help me out :jointsmile: I am a little bit confused though because i dont know why they arent growing like they should most are getting close to a month old if not older (from first planting in soil from germinated seed) shouldnt they be a little bigger?
I just feel that there is not much feeding going on, should I just start feeding and no watering and then flush once a month?

the first 4 pics def show the problems I am having.... I believe I might have been over watering but have corrected that.. I think.. Would love to hear someones watering and feeding system that has used foxfarm before...or just anyone who has a good one :thumbsup:

first 2 are of the tallest lady... she had trouble at first and the leaves looked the same as on some of the other plants... the 4th pic is of the younger plants... about 3 weeks old.... and the fifth is of a younger one with the same problem with the leaves.. I cant figure it out anyone ever have this problem and corrected it please let me know how!

The good thing about troubleshooting plants is that there is a finite list of things that could be causing your problems.

Lights - I don't see any burnt tips, and your plant canopy isnt thick enough to block light yet.

Temperature - 16 degree swings is a bit much. I assume you're on an 18/6 schedule since you mentioned temps with the light off. There isn't any difference in growth between an 18/6 schedule and a 24/0 schedule (it's been argued to death!), so I would keep your light on 24/0 to keep the temps in the 74-78 range. The plants will be much happier there. If you're flowering already, well it seems a bit early to me, and I'd wait until the plants are healthier.

Watering - it's possible you're overwatering still. You didn't list your watering schedule, so it's hard to critique it. My watering started out at every other day when the seeds first popped. Now it's every 3rd day. Once I move into a pot your size, it might even be a bit longer as more soil holds more moisture. Make sure the top inch of the soil is DRY before you water. If you need to, weigh the plants before watering, and about 30 minutes after watering. They should add a lot of weight!

Nutrients - Fox Farm Ocean Forest is good soil. I've seen people go with zero nutes for the first month in FFOF, and their plants looked wonderful. I'm not totally clear whether you're in OF or HF right now.

pH - could definitely be a problem. I hope you got some pH up and pH down as well as storage solution to go with your meter. Cant diagnose this one until you get your meter.

You've got a few good sized plants there. If I were you I would make a test plan and see which plants respond the best.

Plant 1. Wait another day and a half to water each time.

Plant 2. Keep the current watering schedule, but raise the nutrients.

Plant 3. Keep the current watering schedule, add 25% nutes.

Plant 4. Keep your current schedule of watering and nutes.

If I had to make a guess at this point, I would say that you're watering too much, too few nutes, or the pH of your water is locking out the nutes. One of those three.

After looking at your pictures again, I'm sticking with the over-watering idea. All of your leaves point down, rather than up, which makes me think they're heavy, full of water.

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well im only around week one in the feeding cycle... can i just go ahead and start light for 24/0? should i give them 36 hrs darkness before flowering?? by the way the have def taken well to the nutes and not as much watering... I fed on sunday.. after taking pics... and they have def grown... it still looks as if the bottom leaves are not taking too well and come in yellow and dont look great... I will post pics shortly... def let me know about the 24/0

oh yea i am using fox farm garden forest soil..fed on sunday... still moist today so i dont think I am goign to water... i plan on feeding them again on thursday...any suggestions on watering in between?? should I? shouldnt I? and i am getting my water ph down around 6.8 and my feed ph at 6.3

ok so I took some pics.. they are looking a little better.... right now they are all getting week 1 nutes... kind of confused.... do i need to always alternate feed, water, feed etc. or could i do feed, water, feed, feed water etc.

pics 1 and 2 are just of 4 of them
pic 3 is of the little yellow leaves on one at the bottom
pic 4 shows the biggest one and another the biggest was really overwatered at the beginning
pic 5 is of the biggest plants new growth in between so i am not as worried bc it looks a little better

pics 1 and 2 show where another plant had some nute/water problems... and still does some... thinking about scrapping it.....
pics 3 and 4 are of fat boy haha.. for some reason it is short and just huge fan leaves... and a very thick stem, but again, short.
pic 5 is of the setup

pics are of 3 new ladies :stoned:

I wanted to add that I am feeding going by the foxfarm chart... so for week one it says 2tbl big bloom-->1 gal water so i am doing 1 tbl BB per half gallon water when i have it at this strength 2 questions..
1. what should my nute solution PH be? around 6.3-6.7?
2. If I am already using 50% of what the chart recommends should I just feed one time a week? and water once a week? seems like thats all they will need as of now.

Also... I believe I will be feeding on sundays and thurs.. if they do not need watered inbetween feedings should I push back my feeding schedule to just once a week and one watering? so they arent getting hit with nutes 2 times in a row?

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oh yea i am using fox farm garden forest soil..fed on sunday... still moist today so i dont think I am goign to water... i plan on feeding them again on thursday...any suggestions on watering in between?? should I? shouldnt I? and i am getting my water ph down around 6.8 and my feed ph at 6.3

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5.5 to 6.5 is the recommended pH for feeding. If you can, try to stay around 6.2 - 6.3.

My plants are still in the red plastic cups. I watered on Sunday as well and I'm not watering again until tomorrow (Wednesday). Since you're in larger containers, your soil will stay moist longer. You should be ok to go one more day if you feel any moisture in the soil.

If you're still vegging you can go to 24/0. That should be fine.

Should you do 36 hours of darkness to start flowering? That's up to you. Lots of people smarter than me have different opinions on the subject. You can just start doing a 12on/12off schedule. I'd probably not do more than 24 off. Just make sure that the room is completely dark when the lights are off. You shouldn't be able to see at all.

Btw, when you say you're feeding them, you're mixing the nutes with the appropriate amount of water right? Not just dumping the nutes right on the plant?

Since you have good FFOF soil, I would follow the standard FF water/feed/water/feed schedule that they have posted on their website, but slowly increase the % of nutrients in the water.

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I wanted to add that I am feeding going by the foxfarm chart... so for week one it says 2tbl big bloom-->1 gal water

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Half strength for the first couple of feedings. Your soil looks underwatered, as do the droopy pants. Temps are fine. Borderline low at night, but fine. When you can...check the ph.

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so i am doing 1 tbl BB per half gallon water when i have it at this strength 2 questions..
1. what should my nute solution PH be? around 6.3-6.7?
2. If I am already using 50% of what the chart recommends should I just feed one time a week? and water once a week? seems like thats all they will need as of now.

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You are confusing half-strength with half doses. Half strength of the Big Bloom would be one TBS:gallon.
1. Using Fox Farms, I get the water to 6.9ish, and add my nutes. This brings down the ph to around 6.3. For all soils and soilless mixes, (peat based) ph should stay between 6.3 and 6.8, despite the bad advise you've already been given.
There is no reason you'll ever come across to have both phUp and phDown, unless you get your water from more than one source.

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Also... I believe I will be feeding on sundays and thurs.. if they do not need watered inbetween feedings should I push back my feeding schedule to just once a week and one watering? so they arent getting hit with nutes 2 times in a row?

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I feed on Mondays and Thursdays. One half doses per feeding. (same weekly totals as their schedule, though) and I water usually once inbetween at the moment. During the summer I'll have to add water daily, but keep the same feeding schedule.

For my 1 gallon pots, I generally give a cup-n-a-half of nutrient solution, or so. On non-feeding days I slowly add properly ph'd water till slight run-off.

Likely the tent's ventilation will remove the ambient humidity, so more waterings may be called-for. Do not allow soil to remain saturated, but allow them to dry-out a tad. As the plants develop (get bigger) you'll have to water more. Watch your humidity levels when growing in a confined space.

Regardless of what other's have told you in this thread...follow the FF feeding schedule religiously till you get a better understanding of growing cannabis.

raizla: Where did you learn to grow? Did they let you troubleshoot there, too? :wtf:

today is feeding day so i will make sure that I take care of the underwatering issue but not overwater.... my humidity is 39%....

question... received calmag today.. how should I use it?? use it when watering?? or use it when feeding?

Be careful on watering. Im very doubtful your problem is linked to underwatering but yet the exact opposite. Underwater you can USUALLY tell because half the plant will look perfect and the other half will be drooping and almost look wilting. Overwatering USUALLY looks as yours do and will just have an over all droop to the plant. With you being new to growing as we all have done you just wanna take care of your babies and prolly are watering them to often or too much at a time. EVERYTIME i have underwatered a plant and then gave it a good watering within hours the leaves have perked almost straight, telling me obviously thats what she wanted. If your overwatering you wont see a change other then maybe more droop. Cannabis plants grow in warm conditions where rain isnt every other day or even every 3rd day. They can go a good week without water. If your soil is wet and your leaves still look like that after 5 hours id say..... your overwatering. Let your soil dry out and cut back the water. IMHO

ok now I am just confused as hell haha... I just checked my ladies and it really seems like they dont need fed today (which is supposed to be their scheduled feed day... they way it is going they wont even need water before they need to be fed week 2 nutes on sunday coming up. what should I do about this?? or are there people that just use nutes and do not water??

when i feed them do I have to feed them until I get runoff??? they are retaining a lot of water when i feed and let it run through it.....also i am still not sure about the schedule..

by the way my temperatures are not dropping below 64 anymore

ph of my water is around 6.7

ph of my nute solution mixed with water is 6.5

should I add some calmag? and when should i give it to them? during watering or mix it in also when feeding?

ok so here are a few of my ladies... they were last watered sunday... they all look the same but one in the third pic on the left, its soil is very dry.. what should i do?

if you are a day ahead don't worry

use the calendar and schedule as a guide...sometimes you may go past the scheduled day, sometimes you do it before....let the plants tell you!

when in veg i do not do alot of feeding...but i do make sure that they have all of the beneficials to build a healthy root zone...i am more concerned with ttreating the root zone first....then you feed!

i use mychorizea, voodoo juice, hygrozyme, carbo load every 2 weeks during veg and the first 2 weeks of bloom....i feed on the in between weeks:jointsmile:

ok you kkinda got me confused there too lol so do you not water them?? just feed them with your nutrient mix when they need fed? I was thinking of adding some calmag bc i am already using foxfarm soil and it looks like maybe they have too much nute.

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ok you kkinda got me confused there too lol so do you not water them?? just feed them with your nutrient mix when they need fed? I was thinking of adding some calmag bc i am already using foxfarm soil and it looks like maybe they have too much nute.

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as i said i let my plants tell me what they need....if they need nothing but water then that is all they get!

but how can you tell?? my one plant is light as hell but has drooping leaves another is somewhat light but still moist and has droopy leaves as well... maybe I should just stick with watering right now since I should have some beneficial nutes in the foxfarm soil...

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but how can you tell?? my one plant is light as hell but has drooping leaves another is somewhat light but still moist and has droopy leaves as well... maybe I should just stick with watering right now since I should have some beneficial nutes in the foxfarm soil...

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beneficials are not nutes...they are things like endo/ecto bacterias that help root development...enzymes to feed bacteria...and so on! you add these to help your root zone absorb nutrients!

get Jorge Cervantes MMJ Bible and read and grow.....experience is your best teacher!

if your plants are yellowing then they are missing something....what is the ph of your soil? that is first thing to check...if it is not in range that your plant can take in nutrients then giving them more nutrients does no good if the ph is out.

you can get a ph meter that is also a moisture meter....get a good one or use your finger....stick your finger in the soil to your second knuckle if it is dry then water...if your feel moisture than wait! :thumbsup:

ph of the soil is 6.5ish i appreciate your tips a lot... i am going to continue to add nutes. I used them on sunday, and then today I watered most of the plants with some calmag. Then on sunday/monday I am going to use nutes prob around 1/2 rec. strength.

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ph of the soil is 6.5ish i appreciate your tips a lot... i am going to continue to add nutes. I used them on sunday, and then today I watered most of the plants with some calmag. Then on sunday/monday I am going to use nutes prob around 1/2 rec. strength.

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Sometimes I wonder why I bother. Good luck. :thumbsup:

Rusty what do you mean?

I am listening to you... my schedule was supposed to be sunday feed half strength.. first week-- 1 tbs/1 gal water... then get the ph to 6.3 with nutes... and wed. water with a little calmag.. do you recommend calmag or not?
and then feed again same strength as before to make the the weeks total on friday and take sat off and repeat sunday... BUT
=== I am having a lot of droopy leaves but the soil is dry... I dont know what to do? so i am only feeding sunday and watering on wed/thurs and then feed sunday etc...
The soil is really dry and some of the plants leaves are very droopy but seem like they need fed.. what do you think i should do

ok.. so my ladies are about 5 weeks old... and I have 3 that are about 2 weeks old... they look great I will add pics... but the other ones arent looking as good at all.... I was just wondering when it was a good time to start feeding the plants the foxfarm solution and also what to do about the plants with problems....
When using calmag+ do you use it on a watering day? or a feeding day?? and also... my plants seem to need feed once and watered once a week... should i not feed them and water them as much so i can get 2 feedings and waterings in each week?


pictures are of the youngest ones... do you think its time to start the nutrient regime? I am using Fox Farm trio...

hey all... well its been about a 5 weeks.... wanted to show some pics and see if I could get some help on a few things!

pic 1 and 2----> looks good leaves shooting up a lil nice color... little bit yellowing at the bottom, I am guessing I just need to add some more Grow Big because I am thinking I have Nitrogen deficiency.

pic 3-5-----> droopy, but looking lush.... having the same problem at the bottom however... Nitrogen deficiency?

pic 1 and 2---> plant that is fat and short but has nice big good colored leaves except where i think i dripped some nute mix on a leaf.... however its upper leaves are starting to fold like a canoe... any suggestions??

pic 3 and 4----> of the youngest... as you can kind of see, the top leaf is a little bit mutated... does anyone else believe they are ready to start their nutrient regime??? they have just been given water and are about 3 weeks old in happy frog soil...

pics 1 and 2---> soil is very dry on this plant... altho it looks pretty good... I am having yellowing at the bottom... mainly on growth coming in.. can someone help me on this??

pics 3 and 4----> another decent sized lady about 5 weeks old on week 2 of FF schedule feeding... again yellowing and dying of bottom leaves.. this is becoming very frustrating!! ANY ADVICE VERY MUCH APPRECIATED!

Hmm you said the leaves are canoeing and I think that could be due to acouple things. Any heat stress on those ladies. I know when my girls canoe its either because they need alittle N or heat stress. I was using the calmag in the water part of the schedule however since yellowing has started I began adding her to the feeding cycle as well. I am using new grow tech products they seem to need alittle more N during weeks 4-5. That is most likely why they are yellowing abit. How growth slowed?

I wish I had a photo of my bro's one month old seedlings I saw yesterday. He's been calling me asking wtf could be wrong, the leaf tips turn yellow then burn to a crisp. 34 watt shop light, 70ºF, soil/home-made perlite and promix. He started using his Neptune fish kelp nutes as this problem had already begun. It has'nt improved. Four inch red toothpicks with nothing but a tiny top-knot, like a week old seedling.

First thing I noticed was that the cellar was rank with mold odor. I told him to get the plants out of there. He said, "I can't"...ok then.
Then I suggested that he either trasplant one or more of these dying soldiers into a known good potting soil or start a couple of new seeds, some in his soil, some in the commercial potting soil.
He said, "mumble mumble, that ain't it, these are just about dead so why bother, etc. etc. etc."

Sometimes I wonder, why do I bother?

Good Luck, Marc

i dont believe it is heat stress my temp gets no higher than 76 and no lower than 64.. the light is about 18-24 inches away from the tops of the ladies... I am thinking it could be Nitrogen because I have only given it big bloom until recently i started with Grow big which is 6-4-4... so hopefully this should help things out in the coming week...

hey sorry for the delay been busy with work and such... just wanted to give an update.... 4 ladies looking pretty good... please check out the pictures and let me know whats going on... all seem to have some kind of problem... I have flushed repotted ph tested.... and still bad looking leaves... and not quite the growth I think they should be...

pic1- the 4 ladies under 400W hps
pic2- lady 1 big fan leaves but good color...2nd week of flowering week 6 FF nutes
pic3-lady 1 again
pic4-lady 2... just put into bigger pot... final home 3rd week of flowering large gap in growth any ideas?? getting FF nutes and one watering of the 2 i add humboldt snowstorm
pic5- the top of lady 2... hopefully she blossoms :thumbsup:

pic1- lady 3 she is tall with lots of growth but very vertical..
pic2-the middle of lady 3 in week 3 of flowering as well
pic3-lady 4 dont know whats up very droopy.. but it has gorwth and i have let it dry out and then watered and then tried feeding and the bottom looks terrible any advice would def be appreciated
pic4- shitty looking at the bottom
pic5- same plant other side.. just dont get it:mad:

pic1- the middle of lady4 not too bad..
pic2- this one just went into flowering.. the top is looking twisted and looks dry but i just repotted...
pic3- same one bottom looks bad and no growth at the bottom reallly... anyone have any idea??
pic4- same lady middle has growth... haha :stoned: i am def confused

the main thing that i can think of is maybe the ph up/down soultion.. mainly ph down... dont use the up often..... i get water let it sit out for atleast 48-72 hrs and then test..it is a more often than not 7.5ish.... i add ph down to around 6.5 for watering days and on feeding days I get water to 7.0 and add FF nutes.. usually bringing ph to about 5.6 so i add ph up to get solution to 6.3 and then feed.... when i flushed the runoff all came out at 6.3-6.5 any ideas about it?

Your grow looks pretty good, but I think you may be over-watering. How often do you water?

i would say on average i feed once a week and water twice everyother week adding snowstorm to one watering