Don't let the Sacramento City Council shut down dispensaries!!!

The City of Sacramento wants to limit the number or shut down medical marijuana dispensaries!! The patients in Sacramento need to unite and let the city council know that we will not stand for this. On January 19th @ 3PM at City Hall in the Council Chamber, the Law and Legislative Committee is set to meet. We are not on the agenda, but we are going to show up in force to let them know that we will not let them shut down dispensaries. We need patients to show up at the meeting and sign up to talk to the committee. You will be given 1 minute to talk with them and let them know how you feel. We would love to have a few hundread patients there to show the committee that we mean business. We have been nice and polite for too long and they are now turning on us. It is time for us to fight back. We can keep them at this meeting that they do not want to be at for hours while we tell them we do not want them to limit our choices on where we can get our medicine. A bunch of the dispensaries have sign up sheets so that you can be reminded of the meeting. All SSCC members that sign up and talk at the meeting will receive a free gift. The meeting is on January 19th at 3PM at City Hall, 915 I St. in the City council chambers. Get there early and fill out the form so that you can tell the Council how you feel.

Staff
SSCC

Are they really thinking about closing down the dispensaries because i cant find nothing about it on google.

yes they are. not just in sac, but everywere. everyones jumping on the bandwagon because they forsee AB390 passing thru, and then there wont be a need for them. they can take over the business......

by the way, AB390 passed thru PSC today, and the bills author is seeking special permission to have it heard thru the PHC ebfore fridays deadline. i bet he will get it.

there gonna wanna fast track the issue and try to get some of that revenue going asap

I was at the Law and Legislative meeing of the Sacramento City council in December when 3 of the 4 committee members said they wanted to limit the number of clubs. They also said that if they were to impose a 1000 ft buffer zone for the dispensaries, only 2 or 3 would remain open. We need patients to go to the next Law and Leg meeting on January 19th to let them know that we do not want them to shut down any of the dispensaries that were operating legally before the moritorium. The meeting is next Tuesday the 19th, at 3PM at City Hall in the City Council Chambers. The address is 915 I st in Sacramento Please arrive before 3 pm so that you can sign up to speak at the meeting. All of the Sacramento dispensaries need your support!!!

SSCC

My Girlfriend is a patient and will be showing up for support of SSCC, She needs to stop by this week and will get more info. This 1,000 ft buffer zone, is that in reference to being near schools, or just zoning their making up strictly for the dispensaries?

ok let me get this right its not to make marijuana illegal it just to close down the shops that are open now for they can open up there own business doing the same.

the buffer zone would be for schools,ect, unless your in a residence

i think so on the shutting the shops down.

you know, the main reason they are shutting these dispensaries down is profit margin . they are supposed to be non-profit if im not mistaken. ok, lets look at it like this.....


generally, right now, street price for an 1/8th runs around $20-30 bucks, depending on how good it is. lets take the $30 bucks as our figure



8x30=240 an ounce ( if you pay full price, most sellers give a discount on quantity)

16x240=$3840 a pound (which is real high,cause generally pounds go for about half that right now)

now lets look at these "dispensaries"

$$40 to $60 bucks AN 1/8TH for decent stuff. we will use the high end of $60, just like we used the high end for street prices

8x$60=$480 an OUNCE
16x$480=$7680

thats DOUBLE high end street prices......

NOW, these people are NOT stupid. they have consulted with experts,ect and know it does NOT cost $7680 to grow a pound of weed, even running big lights 24/7,buying top end gear and ferts,ect.....

where does the extra money go?...in the sellers POCKET....now arent these dispensaries supposed to be non-profit?...wheres the extra $3840 LB going? now, say you have a shop, and you dispense a pound+ a week ( which you know alot of the places out there are dropping WAY WAY WAY more than that)...even at just a LB a week, that would be around $15,360 A MONTH over and ABOVE street price..........thats $184,320 a year, just selling a pound a week at dispense prices IN PROFIT over the cost of decent stuff out and about..say you sell 2lbs a week, thats $368,640 a year IN PROFIT above street prices for the same stuff.......


these people arent stupid. they see it as legal drug dealing, and its not only gonna get every shop shut down in CA eventually, but it wouldnt suprise me if it continues if they put something up to stop MMJ all together.

wow i didn't know there where suppose to be non profit. Great info ShastaCoMan

thats the understanding i got.

it kinda becomes clear what the urgency is once you do the math and see how much profits at stake eh?

I was watching a special on msnbc I believe and they were talking about the dispensaries in Oakland, which aren't allowed to make a profit....enough to funnel back into supply for the business, and covering expenses to maintain their place of business.

I've only lived in California for a few years and never ran into $20-30 1/8th's, I can't smoke the red bud here, its horrible quality, no offense!! The cheapest I've ever payed was $45 and that was a one time thing. The dealer I use to have is the equivalent of what my gf is getting now through the dispensaries minus a few dollars. It's better quality, you know what your getting, and its safe access.


California is very liberal that's why I moved here from Texas, but I think that once the med. marijuana laws get enacted here, there never properly planned.

Are there any dispensaries near schools here in Sac?
Are permits given to dispensaries in order to operate? If so why would they give permits to dispensaries if their are in a zone that they feel is inappropriate?

I hope there is better organization and a vision for things to run smoothly with AB390.

Just Tax the Dispensary's like they do in Oakland, the city makes a profit!!






Medical marijuana business is growing ... up - BusinessWeek.com- msnbc.com

Tax and Regulate Cannabis Sales

sounds to me like you need to take a ride then, cause its $20-$30 an 1/8th all over oroville,biggs,richvale,thermalito,chico,red bluff,redding,burney,ect,ect......

I'll stick to Sac....it'll just bring up the cost bc of gas but thanks for the info if I ever go that way!!! :thumbsup:

heck, ill give you a shout if my daughter comes this way....her and my grandbabies live in sac

The law and Leg meeting usually starts at 3PM on Tuesdays. On January 19th the meeing is starting at 2PM. If you want to attend the meeting to show support, we are all meeting in front of City Hall at 1:30pm. We are going to meet outside City Hall, in between the new and old City hall. Hope to see you there!!!

SSCC

Hey bud want club smoke for half the price right here in Sac? A new co-op you should check out. Get at me and I'll shoot u info [email protected]

NOT ME, the stuff i grow is as good (if not better in some cases) than any club meds and for a extremely small fraction of what they charge.

i figure if someone ever opens up one of those "dispensaries" and actually charges street prices, they will take all the others business away, cause the other shops wouldnt have a choice except to either reduce their prices or fold up shop.

i to know where you can get killer stuff for half ( and even less" than those "shops " charge. im in shasta, and know of places in redding,oroville, chico,ect.....MMMMMMMMMMMM!....YUMMY!

Shasta man you forget to metion all of the expenses that a dispensary has that street drug dealers do not. Do drug dealers pay for rent? Do drug dealers pay for utilities? Do drug dealers pay a for $1,000,000.00 liability insurance policy. Do they pay for workmans comp insurance? Does a drug dealer pay for health insurance for his employees? Do drug dealers pay 8.75% sales tax? Do they pay federal and state taxes? Do they donate money to the ASA? Do they give medicine away to patients that can't afford it but really need it? You make it sound like the dispensaries are just raking in the profits. Well that is just not true. The numbers that you listed above are not correct at leatst at my dispensary, which is a non profit corporation. I do not pre way my medicine. After I dispense a pound to my members I always come up short by at least an ounce. Think about this. Lets say there are 200 transactions per pound. We never weigh our medicine under, it is always weighed over. Lets say .2 of a gram over. If you multiply that by 200 you get 40 grams. Very rarley when we get a pound do we have a pound of sellable medicine. There is shake that we do not sell in our medicine. So let say 10 grams of shake per pound when we get it. So now we are up to 50 grams. When the medicine is handed out over a period of time, more shake is made. We store our medicine in jars, about 2 ozs per jar. At the end of the jar there is at least 1 if not 2 garms of shake. At this point we are over 2 oz's short of a pound.

Lets talk about pricing. Again your numbers are not correct at least at my dispensary. Right noew we have 1/8's ranging from $35 to $50. That is a lot less than the $60 an eight that you mentioned above. You need to re-think your posistion on the dispensaries. I know that there are some bads ones out there, but most of them are good, and not getting rich serving the needs of their patients.
Thanks

SSCC

no, i dont need to "rethink" my position. as a former small business owner (i was a firearms dealer and gunsmith for over 20 years, sop believe me theres NOTHING you can tell me insurance wise) i can tell you that liability insurance, rent, electricity do NOT add up to the whole ball of wax most dispensaries rake in. no, street level dealers dont try to "front" legality like the dispensaries do. even if we take the high end $50 bucks an eighth and figure it instead of the $60 ( which most charge) it still breaks down to:

8 1/8thsx$50=$400 an ounce
16 oz X $400 (an ounce)= $6400 an lb (if you worked a 40 hour week for this that would be around $120 bucks AN HOUR)

say you sell 2lbs a week+$12,800

$12,800x4 weeks=$51,200 bucks A MONTH

THATS $614,400 A YEAR

so dont try to blow smoke up my ass or anyone elses and tell me that it costs you over $51,000 a MONTH (or even HALF THAT) to operate a dispensary,thats a crock of shit. executives at general motors only make around $120,000-$200,000 a year. the figures dont lie



even if you only sold 1lb a week at YOUR prices, thats still $25,600 a month, or $307,200 a year.....

point being in all of this, dont try to lead everyone to believe your not making money hand over fist off of them. those totals above were figured off the amounts YOU posted. thing is, it scares most of you guys who are running these places when the figures come out for two reasons. one, youd rather the powers that be not realize how much your making, and second, if more people knew , there would be so much competition out there, youd be unable to stay in business

and i doubt very seriously if your paying for HALF of the stuff you listed, and any donations your making arent even in the picture. you still get the tax breaks,ect for donations.....

I absolutley paying for everything that I mentioned and some things that I forgot to mention. SSCC is in total compliance w/ SB420 and state laws. We pay all of our state and federal taxes.

SSCC

ok, my whole point was, even if you WERE paying EVERYTHING, what your paying out still isnt even comming CLOSE to what your raking in.........even at 1lb a week ( which im sure your selling more than that),ill guarantee you aint payin no $6400 A WEEK in bills........so, like i said, dont try to piss on my head or anyone elses and tell me its rainin cause i know for a fact it isnt.

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Originally Posted by sscc420

The City of Sacramento wants to limit the number or shut down medical marijuana dispensaries!! The patients in Sacramento need to unite and let the city council know that we will not stand for this. On January 19th @ 3PM at City Hall in the Council Chamber, the Law and Legislative Committee is set to meet. We are not on the agenda, but we are going to show up in force to let them know that we will not let them shut down dispensaries. We need patients to show up at the meeting and sign up to talk to the committee. You will be given 1 minute to talk with them and let them know how you feel. We would love to have a few hundread patients there to show the committee that we mean business. We have been nice and polite for too long and they are now turning on us. It is time for us to fight back. We can keep them at this meeting that they do not want to be at for hours while we tell them we do not want them to limit our choices on where we can get our medicine. A bunch of the dispensaries have sign up sheets so that you can be reminded of the meeting. All SSCC members that sign up and talk at the meeting will receive a free gift. The meeting is on January 19th at 3PM at City Hall, 915 I St. in the City council chambers. Get there early and fill out the form so that you can tell the Council how you feel.

Staff
SSCC

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So What Ever happen about closing down the dispensaries? Are they still going to keep them open?

Shastacoman, why don't you open up a dispensary and charge 5% over strret pricing like you said and make a killing. Let me know when you open up, I want to come and buy medicine from you. Please let me know right when you open because you will not be open for long unless you dont pay all of the stuff that my dispensary pays.

Getting back to the original post. We had about 75 people at the Law and Leg meeting. We had about 20 people speak to the committee. We just let them know that we disagree w/ them shutting down any dispensaries that were open before the moritorium. We are planning to attend some of the City council meeting in the near future. I will post the info to this forum a week or two before the meeting. Thanks to everybody that showed up at the meeting and supporting us.

SSCC

there are a few pushing for it so they can domminate and rake in the money. collectives pay the vollunteers and pay for the buds. shasta man lives in marijuana nirvana of the 707 where every other house has a garden for cheaper prices.

money being made but it gets well dispersed for the risks being taken.

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there are a few pushing for it so they can domminate and rake in the money. collectives pay the vollunteers and pay for the buds. shasta man lives in marijuana nirvana of the 707 where every other house has a garden for cheaper prices.

money being made but it gets well dispersed for the risks being taken.

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oh make no mistake my brotha, its like that all over from sacramento, thru marysville/yuba city, all the way up thru redding, and to the oregon border. from the nevada border all the way to the water.

MOGREEN,

you dont have to come by and buy from me, there are literally hundreds of people from my place to sacramento and everywere in between that you can buy it cheaply, and get the same quality as you get from those shops. i know of one guy that lives in my county that has 15 different strains all the time, and he has some of the BEST stuff ive EVER seen in california, for about HALF of what those shops charge. i thought about opening up a shop. i own my own properties, shop space,ect, but like i said, i have a conscience, and really cant see making money off of someone else pain, as i know how i feel everytime i have to go to the pharmacy and pay over $3k a month for my pain meds from them, especially when it probably doesnt cost the pharmaceutical company pennies to make it.


like i said, my whole point to this is that when you do the math, these dispensaries are NOT paying even a small percentage of what they rake in each week/month/year out in expenses. if a dispensary can show me that they pay as much as they are making in legit expenses, ill be the first one to get on here and post it and eat my own words, but they cant. i worked in managment for a large retail store that made literally millions a month, and even with multiple employees, utilities, store insurance as well as health and dental, the stores operating expenses didnt even come CLOSE to $50K+ a month.

ill virtually GUARANTEE as long as these guys are making money like they are, the counties are not going to cut them any slack whatsoever. all they see is the thousands of legal ( and illegal) dollars that run thru these places each week, and wonder where their shares at. i wonder how many of these shops started out in the 80s and 90s selling mexican dirt weed on florin rd either next to AM/PM or 7-11...LOL!

another thing ill guarantee. the anti-MMJ people will eventually shut most of them down because of it. why in the world do you think that there are so many "pro" AB390 people in our government now?...its not because they are "compassionate" to the plyte of the working man with health problems, its because they see BIG dollar signs. if one small shops making $50K+ a month, what do you think the shop whos selling 5lbs a weeks making?..or 10lbs a week?....thats literally a fortune for the state in just taxes alone......

Hey Shasta, non profit companies can make money, but nobody owns the non profit, so they cannot use the money for themselves. It has to be used by the corporation. It can be donated or used for improvements. Yes the dispensaries are making money but it belongs to the non profit corp., not the people who run the non profit. There are collectives that are not set up as non profit corporations, but my collective is a non profit corporation registed w/ the state.

SSCC

OK...and you dont make a salary?.......your not making ANY money off of the venture?......does the state regulate how much you can pay yourself for your time and effort or your "employees"??... whos the "corporation" and whos the CEO?...

look man, lets just let the issue drop. people can draw their own conclusions from the figures and prices. i honestly dont believe your not making butt loads of money at the prices your charging,you know and i know you are.

whenever you decide youd like to open up a "collective" in shasta county, be sure and let me know. id come and manage it for ya. id love to have a few of those $50K + paydays myself. i can use a new cabin cruiser, and another harley

Shasta, I still have not been paid back all of my initial investment. I am getting paid a salary, but believe me it is well below $50K a year.

SSCC

id let the issue drop. i happen to know someone whos bought pot from someone there at your place WITHOUT a recommendation (quite a bit of smoke actually) , and they came from inside your place ,and sold right outside your front door. i grew up in sac and have TONS of friends there that smoke.

point being, your place aint as "legal" as youd love everyone to believe

I'm not sure that's a good thing regarding your friend, technically he's breaking the law too!! It should be dropped finally, apparently no one else has commented much.

People have to get paid but I don't think its crazy amounts of money, it's livable wages. I never see expensive cars that reside on the lot.

SSCC provides safe access and are very good people, I'm glad that my girlfriend has safe access & a comfortable environment to purchase her medicine.

nothing wrong with that my friend, and i do agree, i tried to drop it two or threee posts ago!


you maay not see flashy cars,ect, but the figures dont lie. the prices they
( dispensaries in general) charge for what they sell is absolutely phenomenal. anyone whos ever grown their own stuff knows that it doesnt cost NEAR what they charge, even if you buy all the best of the best of everything, have your own private professional horticulturist professor on staff,ect. some of the best smoke ive ever had was grow in an old shed out back, watered out of milk jugs and fertilized with chicken shit and worm castings, and probably cost about 20 bucks a pound if you add up expenditures vs yield.....:jointsmile:

ive personally got nothing else to say on the subject. i think that alot of these guys, when they actually saw the figures on whats sold vs what they charge (same thing, dispensaries in general) it opened quite a few eyes.

Shasta, do you really have to resort to this. You have just posted an outright lie to this list. SSCC verifies all patients before they are allowed into our dispensary. We follow all state laws. Watch out Shasta, Karma is a wonderful thing.

SSCC

hahahah!

yea, it sure is.......

firstly, i could give a big fat rats ass if you sold dope by the POUND out in front of your place dressed in your grannys panties and rubed down with extra crunchy jiff while tryin to coax those 5 dollar southside sac bagwhores and toothless crackwhores over by hughs statium there into a 20 hooker gangbang. makes me not one single solitary bit of difference one way or the other WTF you do.


secondly, selling pot to someone under the radar outside of a shop is not something you worry about "verifying" someone for first. it really wouldnt suprise me either if sac county SO and NTF arent watchin you thru binoculars right now, even as we speak. get a clue man, i dont give a shit WHAT you do, i could care less about your "shop" , or how many toothless southside crackhead gangbangers you know and sell to.

and your "karma" remark. is that supposed to be a threat?...id be REAL careful there in that department "bro" . thing is, i dont have a SINGLE reason to lie on you, about you,ect. you dont even know me. if i were you, and only if i were you, id be REAL careful about making threats to ANYONE online, especially when you advertise your friggin address all over the place. some crazed out weirdo may walk into your shop one day. they would know who YOU ARE upfront, but youd be hard pressed to know who they are.

why dont you smoke on that for awhile. i tried 3 times to let this thread die, but you thought you juuuuust had to have the last word.....HEHEH..well, thats cool......and maybe its YOU who should "watch out", karma isnt a "wonderful thing"...karma is a MOTHERF*CKER, you might want to remeber that yourself.

This will be the last time that I will post to this thread. I will let everyone make there own decision about this topic. I did not threaten you. I have nothing to do w/ Karma. You will bring that on yourself.

SSCC

Well,
This thread got a little heated.
I've been to SSCC. I had to fill out forms and I wasn't even buying anything. Just droping off some C-99 clones.
GOOD PEOPLE!!
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MJ